I just thought Urza's workshop was gonna be a cute gimmick but it paid off. Now I wanna see more brewing with that card.
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that was my reaction as well. Felt like cloudpost a few times.
@jaredschroeder7555
Жыл бұрын
@@BoshNRoll every time it came in it was just sick. Its like budget tolarian academy. Love it.
@85mcarnold
Жыл бұрын
Workshop was punching way above it’s weight class here. Always fun to see a card that’s dismissed as “cute” during preview season doing work. The fact that you beat Delver, one of the best Wasteland decks, twice with Tron speaks a lot to it’s playability. Might not end up being competitive but it looked respectable for sure.
@starnik
Жыл бұрын
My only complaint is that Urza's Workshop was one of the few BRO commander cards not given a retro frame! How are you supposed to get it to match your other Urza lands?! 😩
@princequincy5421
Жыл бұрын
@@BoshNRoll do you think this list wants a 4th urza's workshop just to hit it a little more often?
@DarkestFiction
Жыл бұрын
Not having Torpor Orb in the Sideboard is a massive oversight. The card is insane for matches like Initiative and the Elementals. There are a LOT of ETB effects in the format. Not as many as Modern, but there are still abilities you want to shut off. Solitude, Recruiter, any number of the Initiative jerks, Loren, Taxes creatures, Fury.
@benjaminstonehocker5382
Жыл бұрын
This was one of the coolest legacy decks I have seen streamed recently. In spite of the tough and rough record, being this good against Delver at least feels very promising. Yeah I think playing a few ancient tomb and 1 lil Ugin instead of powders is probably a good future call. I just love me a good Mystic Forge deck with prison elements and of course the best Karn ever!!! I also really enjoyed that this is pretty budhet friendly as far as legacy decks go. Outsife of the Urzas Saga, Chalices and Karns, its an extremely affordable deck and if you are already an active modern player, then most people have those more expensive cards already in some numbers. All in all it looked super fun. Great stream. Would love to see more budget friendly Legacy decks that are actually somewhat competitive. Very cool.
@abelbradd2626
Жыл бұрын
At 35:52 couldn't you have just played ballista for x=2 since you had metalcraft?
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I messed up that turn
@qlcrane8019
Жыл бұрын
Ok this list got me so excited. I know cloudposts was the way to go for years but those lands just lacked the flavor that tron lands had so I am so happy to see them in action in legacy
@CoilingSliver
Жыл бұрын
This looks pretty nice and its for legacy Budget friendly. Although I am surprised that there is no Torpor Orb in the 75 against Thoracle, Loren, and The Initiative creatures.
@XboxTheBeatboxer
Жыл бұрын
I think those Serum Powders can be a couple of Ancient Tombs and Mox Opal. You have density of all the stuff you want in the list, so just shoring up the mana for a consistently great start.
@XboxTheBeatboxer
Жыл бұрын
Probably 2x Ancient Tomb, 1x Mox Opal 1x Shadow Spear
@yawg691
Жыл бұрын
I'm kinda feelin this! Also the extra few low mana artifacts are nice for turning on the Urza Workshops.
@vivizf-ftp
Жыл бұрын
@26:24 I would have brained for Thassa's oracle, odds are that it is not in their hand and the fact that they kept a stoneforge shuko hand meant they likely had a cephalid. Taking Thassa out of the deck effectively negates the combo and leaves them with 2 "dead" cephalids in their hand. (Still a rough position anyway)
@mrskittles6486
Жыл бұрын
This deck is a lot of fun to play in modern and you get the salty opponent that just wants to fight you in paper a lot
@LucksackGames
Жыл бұрын
Urza's is just broken in phyrexian.
@kiriyamathelama1809
Жыл бұрын
If you go 4-1 or 5-0 with this list I'll buy this list
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
Do we count punts? You may have some mental gymnastics to do at the end. (I bought the cards I was missing after recording)
@TimmyControl
Жыл бұрын
This deck was exactly on the sweet spot between playing enough new/fun cards, Without being a total jank show. Very enjoyable 💪🏻
@egoish6762
11 ай бұрын
Would be nice to see a revisit to something like this with the one ring, not sure urza lands are better than going fast with tomb and traitors like you said but it's still cool.
@blakejones6206
Жыл бұрын
As someone who loved playing prison keep the brains in (post board against most decks) to remove the stuff that takes out prison pieces. Like delver take melt down.
@Amphidsf
Жыл бұрын
You've heard of 16 post. Get ready for 16 tron. Edit: I suppose it's actually 20 tron, forgot about the saga.
@Joker22593
Жыл бұрын
It can be even more if you run Urza's Factory!
@overrated727
Жыл бұрын
When I saw the title of the video, I was like: "OMG there are new rules for Urza's Saga!?! When's the last time they changed the rules for one specific card?" Half way through the deck teck now, and I just feel silly.
@robertmann8372
Жыл бұрын
Sweet list! I’d be interested in seeing an opal and a candelabra in the saga package to generate more mana potentially a turn sooner. Love the deck, gameplay, and video. Keep going!
@mtg_magic_man_1247
Жыл бұрын
This is really interesting! Do you think we can improve? Good job
@MaxMckayful
Жыл бұрын
Love the play patterns of Tron and fun seeing the new toy (workshop) shine
@sebbbi2
Жыл бұрын
Candelabra of Tawnos? Accelerates to metalcraft and untaps workshop and Urza lands for explosive turns. Helps with Mox Opal too if you choose to play it. Fetchable with Urza’s Saga too.
@yawg691
Жыл бұрын
"Delver sucks, Tron rules!" I've always known deep down this was true. ❤️ 💙
@zrick6670
Жыл бұрын
I agree that Serum Powder looked really clunky, and ancient tomb definitely seems to be a good replacement for it. The only time you end up using serum powder, the hand was probably keepable if it was an ancient tomb.
@AaronRotenberg
Жыл бұрын
21:10 Now there's a reference that never gets old.
@MehrGills
Жыл бұрын
Should have called it legacy shops to mirror mishra's version in vintage
@laurenceglaze
Жыл бұрын
Shops (the Urza's, Legacy one)
@anaphysik
Жыл бұрын
@@laurenceglaze I understood that reference. For those that don't get it, see a certain card from Unhinged, Erase (Not the Urza's Legacy One). For a weird fact about that card, the artist attribution (Pete “Yes the Urza's Legacy One” Venters) is bizarre, as Venters neither drew the ULG Erase (by Ron Spears) nor Lightning Rift (by Eric Peterson), the card whose art is referenced in Erase (Not the Urza's Legacy One). I'm not even sure if Venters drew the eraser/other-art-edits (and even then, one would expect a double attribution to Peterson as well). Honestly have no idea what is up with that attribution.
@unknownservant913
Жыл бұрын
I saw Urza’s Factory and thought immediately that it could be Legacy viable in the correct shell, obv knowing that cloudposts would probably better, but I’m glad to see this brew
@firedrake110
Жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of Stone Brain, I would have gone for it over spellskite in round four
@arcticbanana69
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian!
@AnsaLupina
Жыл бұрын
That vault of whispers out of the karn board makes me wonder if it would be worth it to burn one of your sideboard slots for a seat of the synod? Probably something to consider if you’re ever gonna give this archetype another shot in legacy
@raoulselten9480
Жыл бұрын
* seagul face * MINE. MINE? MINE!
@karenwest6350
Жыл бұрын
As a dirty filthy tron player in modern, glad to see I just gotta add a few lands and I apparently have a legacy deck now! Now if only I could buy the skills too...
@r1nsync
Жыл бұрын
I may try this, I’d like to experiment with urzas factory, it’s another urza land that can make bodies that also pump Karnstructs. It’s more of a gimmick but I’m all about dumb gimmicks, if we wanted to be really really spicy forsaken monument is really funny.
@Joker22593
Жыл бұрын
Forsaken monument is fine in "pioneer tron" sorts of decks, but it's not quite good enough anywhere else. Big artifacts are too frail and generally cause you to give up interaction for a turn to play them.
@ryanwondertroll
Жыл бұрын
35:55 clever move to just play the balista for 0 in order to prevent an attack from the 3/2, oppo plays chain lightning + bolt + ponders etc. + has 1 card in hand, it's risky to try and chill at 6 life. nice move
@Dr._Kenneth_Noisewater
Жыл бұрын
But workshop was online and worth like 4 mana, so why not play it as a 2/2?
@MackNJacishopper
Жыл бұрын
@@Dr._Kenneth_Noisewater yeah I sat for a bit trying to figure that one out. Must have forgotten it could go for 4? There was no relic he was saving mana for.
@shelkofsky1
Жыл бұрын
Match 1 game 3, I don't think you use the stone brain on cephalid, I think you name oracle since without oracle the cephalid is useless right?
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
Oooh good call yeah that’s better
@jaredschroeder7555
Жыл бұрын
Clever. I'm a fan of stone Brain effects as a whole so it's fun to see em. Such an anemic way to win sometimes.
@lunchbox2099
Жыл бұрын
At the 36 minute mark, would it have been better to cast the mystic forge rather than losing the ballista for nothing to get under the bridge? Unless I'm missing something didn't the Urza land tap for 4?
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
Yeah you’re right, that works
@omenofthephoenix
Жыл бұрын
I was 'yelling' at my screen, tap the workshop for 4 :P
@wolfstorm123
Жыл бұрын
@@omenofthephoenix lol me too
@John_Doe742
Жыл бұрын
Im just a noob but I think it'd probably be better to use brainstone on a card you know is in their deck before speculating on a card you don't know is in their deck if you're going to use the card twice in one turn
@lightworker2956
Жыл бұрын
Cool deck, but I think the deck could run a few big dumb expensive game-winning spells. It seems kind of weird to build a deck focused on generating a ton of mana and then having a curve that stops at 4. Sure there's stuff like Walking Balista, but still. If I were to build a Tron list, I'd make it less reactive and more pro-active for game one.
@BoeseTat
Жыл бұрын
Nice modern deck
@kds119
Жыл бұрын
Count 1, 2, 7
@lucaslemoine
Жыл бұрын
I feel like serum powder could be mox opal or Mishra's bauble and allow workshop to activate metalcraft much faster
@MrMatt6362
Жыл бұрын
Spicy. Nice!
@alessiofaustinelli7467
Жыл бұрын
really like this deck, needs some improvement but urza's workshop rules! i would remove powder and 1 bridge
@lds2795
Жыл бұрын
Round 2 it did not end up mattering, but you had metal craft and could have cast the walking balista for x =2. Just a lil thing but it could have mattered in the long term.
@tzvirubin9708
Жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for this since BRO spoiler season :).
@sebbbi2
Жыл бұрын
Mox Opal instead of Serum Powder would enable the shop faster. Mox + shop = 6 mana on turn 3 without assembled tron. Also mox is a good topdeck with forge and saga can fetch it.
@sebbbi2
Жыл бұрын
With the Mox you’d likely also want a singleton Seat of the Synod instead of the singleton Island.
@GeauxGames
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the upload!
@MehrGills
Жыл бұрын
Is there any room to go more mox opal/diamond to both turn on metal craft for workshop and to be a t1 chalice deck? I know you mentioned one Opal for saga, but what about 3?
@ianharding793
Жыл бұрын
I'd personally love you see a V2.0 of this deck
@PrinceofPain1776
Жыл бұрын
M1G2 why not tutor for sorc or pithing and make them have third prismatic ending?
@TheAldjiunar
Жыл бұрын
Let's GO!
@callumvlex7059
Жыл бұрын
Why the basic Island instead of 4th workshop? Is it initiative?
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
I ported it from modern where there’s more Field of Ruins going on. Probably safe to make this mono brown
@AaronRotenberg
Жыл бұрын
@@BoshNRoll Access to blue mana was marginally relevant around 44:14. (The Mox Opal or 4th Workshop would often still be better though.)
@rekenner
Жыл бұрын
@@BoshNRoll Boseiju against this deck seems brutal. Does that change the math at all?
@jfb-
Жыл бұрын
Against cephalid breakfast, brain-ing thoracle would leave them with more dead cards in their deck
@Reversespacehippie
Жыл бұрын
Obligatory algorithmic contribution
@isocity-info
Жыл бұрын
1:01:18 Did I miss sth? Why you didn't choose Echo of Aeons to destroy the whole combo line including LED? And Karn could be the second card to pick away...
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
I guess giving the opponent two new cards wasn't ideal if we assume that without LED they would be shut off anyway.
@isocity-info
Жыл бұрын
@@fernandobanda5734 but without echo you cannot drive crazy with hullbreacher, he had two cards to choose...
@fernandobanda5734
Жыл бұрын
@@isocity-info I didn't make the decision so I can't know. But if you're looking for why the obvious choice wasn't made, maybe those two random draws were deemed more dangerous.
@theamazingfroboy
Жыл бұрын
Commenting for the ALGORITHM GODS But a question: why use a basic Island instead of the basic Waste?
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
Spellskite uses blue mana and nothing uses specifically colorless
@rekenner
Жыл бұрын
Also Boseiju specifies a land with a basic land type. So get wrecked, Wastes
@marknezanuto
Жыл бұрын
I think post+copy land set still better than urzas even with this upgrade
@shhhvcnear
Жыл бұрын
Nice
@jaredschroeder7555
Жыл бұрын
Wonder if this deck can attempt a flex at prosperity or some blue X spell for massive draw. Seems like a waste to generate so much mana to not do some big dumb thing like that. Or maybe urza himself could grace the battlefield? Either solution would require more blue though so it's a toughie. Edit: maybe tamiyos journal, or coveted jewel, or ring of 3 wishes? Maybe the mindstone set for draw. Colorless draw is hard, easier in commander but eh, staff of nine and minds eye don't feel like legacy cards.
@rominou77
Жыл бұрын
Why not cloudpost prison ?
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
Because I was asked to build tron.
@gabrote42
Жыл бұрын
14:32 Can't they just prevent the damage?
@BoshNRoll
Жыл бұрын
There's nothing to redirect it to.
@DrFruitsaladPhd
Жыл бұрын
WOW
@jormungardwe
Жыл бұрын
no candelabra, what the fuck?
@whatwas44
Жыл бұрын
This deck is right up my alley. 🤎
@ich3730
Жыл бұрын
the wording is so janky "for each Urza's land...". Like, come on WOTC, english is not that hard
@Joker22593
Жыл бұрын
"Urza's" is a land type per the comprehensive rules. See Urza's Factory for the clearest example. This is also the part where I tell you that Urza's Saga was designed as a pun: the type and the name are the same. It's also a reference to the fact that the original Urza's lands had to have their land types retroactively changed to their names so the rules would work properly, hence the creation of the "Urza's" type.
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