"You judge yourselves against the pitiful adversaries you've encountered so far. The Romulans, The Klingons. They're nothing compared to what's waiting." Q
@maddan9086
Жыл бұрын
LOL! Oh, yes. Q's words were prophetic indeed. 😏
@user-co8uy5rb2s
Жыл бұрын
Dominion , Species 8472,
@MrCrazyrob666
Жыл бұрын
@@user-co8uy5rb2s The Hushnock until they were wiped out!
@user-co8uy5rb2s
Жыл бұрын
@@MrCrazyrob666 yeah. No telling just how powerful that THEY were. Also, Iconians.
@stevencoardvenice
Жыл бұрын
Nobody listens to Q
@pipikaka3886
Жыл бұрын
The Odyssey got revenged by her sister ships in the episode “Sacrifice of Angels”, where refitted Galaxy class cruisers were slicing through the Dominion fleet like a knife through butter.
@ff3player
Жыл бұрын
Fools will always underestimate the Federation's technical skill
@jimhills1920
Жыл бұрын
As Chekov once said: “My brother! You killed my BROTHER!!!” 😡😡😡
@SSingh-nr8qz
Жыл бұрын
very satisfying.
@hansgugel2275
Жыл бұрын
Disagree the reason that so many ships made it back to DS9 was because the Klingon fleet turned the tide
@pipikaka3886
Жыл бұрын
@@hansgugel2275 Nah. The Federation fought this war alone for most of the time and they were holding off the Dominion Alliance despite having to face many different hostile species of this Alliance (Cardassians, Breen, etc). Klingons jumped back in late game. Federation can flex with that a achievement.
@F40PH-2CAT
Жыл бұрын
The impact of this scene cannot be understated. Seeing a Galaxy class so easily destroyed was unnerving....more so than even the Borg. This episode aired at the same time as TNG's finale....so this was the only Trek wed have for a while.
@jonathanstrong4812
Жыл бұрын
God bless them
@triptrip8353
Жыл бұрын
to me the ending of this episode and the adversary still gives me chills
@UNSF
Жыл бұрын
I get the feeling. The Borg doesn't feel as shocking because they are strong in a technological sense. While scary, it is hard for a 20th / early 21st century human to draw relateable real world experience to comprehend. This scene however, demonstrates how kamikaze is still a threat even in 24th century. Kamikaze is something we can relate to from ww2. While largely unsuccessful due to superior Allied AA fire, some ships were indeed sunk and the psychological impact it inflicted to all of us (even those born after the war) likely will linger on for generations.
@ffnbbq
10 ай бұрын
@@UNSFthe DS9 writing team said they used a Galaxy to underscore the point that in this situation, Picard and the Enterprise would have been destroyed. Sadly, how close the Dominion came to defeating the Federation and how devastating the war was has largely been glossed over by both the franchise and the fandom (many of whom didn't watch DS9 and never will). Instead Wolf 359 is considered a bigger deal.
@roberthoward9500
10 ай бұрын
I still wonder why they didn't use the bridge set from Next Generation for the Odyssey instead of a different bridge. I mean wouldn't it make sense that all Galaxy Class ships would have basically the same bridge?
@VirtualBilly
10 ай бұрын
For those who don’t know, Captain Keogh was played by Alan Oppenheimer, the original voice of Falcor and of Skeletor.
@Doodmeister0
10 ай бұрын
That's clearly Joe Biden
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
@@Doodmeister0 Sounds nothing like him.
@Janovus
10 ай бұрын
Also played Dr. Rudy Wells in early seasons of the Six Million Dollar Man.
@alexandrem.ishikawa2581
9 ай бұрын
Playing another legend once more.
@AndyFNQ84
9 ай бұрын
if he was the voice of Skeletor then the man was a god
@Madcat221
Жыл бұрын
It is a small solace that the Dominion was unable to destroy any other Galaxy-class starship thereafter during the war. Every Galaxy-class crew remembered what the Dominion did to their sister ship.
@acmenipponair
10 ай бұрын
Well, but that's because they a. heavily shielded the Galaxys with their squads, b. that galaxies were not fully equipped ones, but stripped to the bare minimum and most likely all the parts near to the hull were heavily armor upgraded and c. it weren't the command ships
@Groza_Dallocort
10 ай бұрын
@@acmenipponairmost of the ships during the dominion war was sent out with most of thier luxury, crew recreational and advanced sciene labs left at the shipyard. Instead they just fitted weapons, sensors and shields and other stuff that helped with the war effort
@acmenipponair
10 ай бұрын
@@Groza_Dallocort Yes but I guess they used parts of the not used space for more armour. When you don't need a thin hull for your sensor arrays to go through, you can make especially the engineering hull more durable during a fight.
@Groza_Dallocort
10 ай бұрын
@@acmenipponair true true
@digitalis2977
10 ай бұрын
@@acmenipponairActually, it's my understanding from various sources that they didn't even do that. They simply added redundant shield generators, upgraded the Phaser systems, and added additional power generation to feed the beast. Fitting additional armor to an existing ship class like the Galaxy would have been expensive and time consuming (and the Federation was never much for armored hills, anyway...thus their shock at the addition of ablative armor to the Defiant) and chose instead to rely on their superior shield technology. Once the Dominion Polaron Beams were countered, even an Explorer fit Galaxy like the Odyssey could stomp through a flight of Jem'Hadar Fighters like a toddler walking over plastic army men.
@Locutus
Жыл бұрын
Let's make sure history never forgets the name, -Enterprise- Odyssey.
@xaviercast970
11 ай бұрын
To the Odyssey! Was the war cry as all the sister Galaxy Class Starships with modified shields tore the Dominion fleet a new one in Sacrifice of Angels.
@hanshawks5088
10 ай бұрын
Is it that the name of a book by Homer Simpson
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
Let’s make sure history never forgets the name…??? Already forgotten.
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
@@xaviercast970 Said no one EVER. Odyssey and Keogh were embarrassments to all those who served on their Galaxy-class sister ships.
@jolly7041
10 ай бұрын
@thomashong2938 the problem is the Federation doesn't study the enemies strengths and weaknesses good enough and that's what makes them destroyed..look what happened at Wolf 359 when most of the ships were destroyed by the borg.."knowledge is power".
@CenJohan
10 ай бұрын
This episode is definitely up there as one of the most dramatic shifts in terms of plot as it starts with Jake and Nog going on a camping trip and ends in the complete destruction of a Galaxy class ship and her crew.
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
9 ай бұрын
The Odyssey charging into her ultimate Doom gotta love it
@sadev101
7 ай бұрын
imagine having to have that guilt trip
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
7 ай бұрын
@@sadev101 what would be the point they are dead Jim!!!🤣🤣🤣
@J.Wolf90
6 ай бұрын
All those lives to save the sisko@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
@Psycodiver69
Ай бұрын
@@J.Wolf90 Maybe but without Sisko the Federation would have lost the war, how else would we have gotten the Defiant aka "Ben Sisko's Mutha Fudging Pimp Hand" he also brought the Romulins into the war and was basically feared by all
@josephmassaro
Жыл бұрын
On a morbidly fascinating note, the actor playing the Odyssey's XO is serving 40 years in the clink for murder.
@dhinton1
Жыл бұрын
Whoa
@Psiros
Жыл бұрын
Holy... I had to look it up. Michael Jace. 40 years to life for 2nd degree murder. He also played a cop on the TV show "The Shield".
@TheCormTube
Жыл бұрын
Oh my god, it was his wife he killed too 😔
@Hibbs4Prez
Жыл бұрын
Wow. I had wondered what happened to him.
@nashshaffer6235
Жыл бұрын
@@Psirosand he played the lead Black Panther on Forrest Gump
@tehagent1321
7 ай бұрын
"Divert shield power to weapons" In other words, "fuck it, lets hit them back and hit them back HARD"
@adalwolf8328
6 ай бұрын
Well their shields were useless anyway so might as well use that power for something else
@WillFredward7167
6 ай бұрын
This is what should have happened in "Star Trek: Generations." When a puny bird of prey was bypassing the Enterprise's shields, they should have just gone full crazy mode will all their firepower.
@john-bu6su
6 ай бұрын
Didn't destroy a single attack ship with all power divereted to weapons! Just goes to show the ingenuity of starfleet and the federation tech leap durin the war.
@TestUser-cf4wj
4 ай бұрын
@@john-bu6suthis is the problem with this Odyssey business. A Galaxy class ship, with all power diverted to weapons, would be capable of vaporizing a planet. These bad guys get Deus Ex Machina'd into the victory spot. That was always ST's problem. Too much DEM.
@VerilyVerbatim
2 ай бұрын
@@TestUser-cf4wj Are you trying to be funny? The Galaxy class starship has NO CHANCE of vaporizing a planet. When you get your head out of Star Wars, let us know?
@maddan9086
Жыл бұрын
I remember when this was first aired, and I recalled thinking just how big of a threat the Dominion was, when just a few of their attack ships could do that to a Galaxy Class Starship of all things. The creatives really wanted to hammer home just how dangerous they were.
@Willpower-74205
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! That could've been the Enterprise, and it STILL would've been smoked. But at least it set the stage for the arrival of Sisko's Fist aka the Defiant. 🖖😎👍
@fruitofthelum5815
Жыл бұрын
"Divert shield power to weapons!" That's what killed Odyssey. That little bugship would've bounced off Odyssey's shields if Keogh hadn't given that order.
@maddan9086
Жыл бұрын
@@fruitofthelum5815 LOL! Not necessarily. The weapons of the Jem'Hadar Fighters were already penetrating their shields, so the odds of the shields getting knocked out were a near certainty anyways. Hells, in TNG the Enterprise's shields had this habit of being knocked out, even when they were up anyways. 😅
@kevinedward6132
Жыл бұрын
@@fruitofthelum5815 Agreed, he didn't anticipate a suicide run because they didn't know who they were fighting.
@thomashong2938
Жыл бұрын
@@kevinedward6132 He didn’t anticipate a suicide run because he was an arrogant and complacent old fool who didn’t bother to fire his photon torpedoes or to send all his runabouts and shuttles out to form a protective screen around the Odyssey.
@jameskiely3093
Жыл бұрын
One of the main "Oh my God" moments in Trek. Imagine what it would look like in hd or 4k.
@Federation-Cosmo-Bolt
10 ай бұрын
Careful... you might give this guy: www.youtube.com/@JTVFX1/featured an idea for a HD reanimated Video
@sarcasticguy4311
7 ай бұрын
Slightly less blurry?
@J.Wolf90
6 ай бұрын
@@sarcasticguy4311 sounds like the main selling point of new gaming consoles. Lol waste of money
@KurtRichterCISSP
4 ай бұрын
@@J.Wolf90 ok grandpa, let's get you back to bed
@Aleiza_49
Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing the Odyssey's destruction when this first aired when I was a kid, it bothered me so much because the Galaxy class was always (and still is) my favorite UFP platform. The emotional impact and shock value was not lost on me at the time, I hated the Jem'Hadar so much 😂
@craigwhite3815
10 ай бұрын
Change Odyssey to Enterprise, Galaxy to Constitution and Jem'Hadar to Klingons and that was me after watching Star Trek III
@dougsmith6262
10 ай бұрын
It was *especially* impactful for those of us who were introduced to Trek via TNG as kids. It was like "🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯" for 10 year old me to see a *Galaxy* class get kaboomed.
@Aleiza_49
10 ай бұрын
@@dougsmith6262 it was so shocking to watch as a kid, definitely. I did a full rewatch of DS9 again in my 20s, got to "The Jem'Hadar" remembering full well what time it was.....got to the Odyssey part and was still struck with strong emotions. DS9 was just a very well written show imo.
@azeez8399
9 ай бұрын
Same here!
@rubenfabela9285
7 ай бұрын
I hated “KHAN!!!” more 💀💯💀
@sgerald
10 ай бұрын
Gotta give the Jem'Hadar credit they did what He-Man never could and took out Skeletor.
@MrDibara
8 ай бұрын
*_"Victory is life"_* indeed. Or as I personally like to say, 3:58 _"GLA Postal Service~!"_
@qontoh2s872
10 ай бұрын
I remember watching this the night it originally aired. Five of us would get together at a friends house for Trek Night. Seeing a Galaxy class get it's ass handed to it by what amounted to a trio of scout ships, then destroyed by one of them blew us all away.
@SheldonAdama17
Жыл бұрын
“Perhaps today is a good day to die. Prepare for ramming speed!” - Jem’Hadar
@MrCrazyrob666
Жыл бұрын
Sir... there's another starship coming in. It's the... ah... do we even name our ships?
@k1productions87
8 ай бұрын
@@MrCrazyrob666 something like Zulu-5-Bravo
@spartybrearly7221
7 ай бұрын
Keevan to Jem’hadar First: “Set trajectory and prepare for ramming speed!...I’m just going to take a short stroll to the escape pod and back before we actually ram them”
@Katafrakt_
2 ай бұрын
@@spartybrearly7221 Keevan to First: "Wh- Me? Abandoning my post? N- No, I would never! I just... left my... k- kava nuts and rippleberries near the escape pods and really need to go get them. brb."
@TheH3dgie
Жыл бұрын
That shot of the Odyssey turning and the run abouts coming in behind is a fantastic shot. It shows the size of the size of the Galaxy class well with its slow movement. Something the franchise loses as the series continues and it just turns into fighter dog fights.
@jamesderiven1843
Жыл бұрын
You mean shuttlecraft fights.
@thomas.parnell7365
Жыл бұрын
I'd imagine the dominion war version galaxy's turn rate no doubt be much improved. Better than being a cruise ship that could sink the navy of a small country
@dmanc85
10 ай бұрын
*laughs in Enterprise-D acting like the Millennium Falcon in ST Picard*
@TheH3dgie
10 ай бұрын
@@dmanc85 yeah That was stupid
@acmenipponair
10 ай бұрын
@@dmanc85 The Odyssey was heavily damaged (the left narcelle is even flickering, which means that the energy conduits must have been broken even before the attack), so most likely the inertial dampers didn't worked properly too = they had to turn slowly to avoid having their crew killed. In the case of ST Picard, they didn't needed to care for any crew on board, all of them were on Deck 1, Bridge, so Data could finally fly the hell out of the D without having to consider the safety of the people on board.
@pokes404
9 ай бұрын
I think 3:43 may be one of the best looking VFX shots in Star Trek history. I normally don't like when they get too contrasty with the lighting and have super dark shadows. But it's used incredibly effectively in this shot. It adds some extra movement with the light sweep moving across the saucer, gives the scene a darker (literally) feel from the normal/brighter/more optimistic Star Trek tone, and it really lets you see the damaged Port nacelle.
@Ithinkiwill66
Жыл бұрын
The USS Yamato was one horrible scene, for a Galaxy class starship to be destroyed, in a painful manner. But, having a threat of a suicidal specie, such as the Jem'Hadar is frightning.
@AndrewChapman
Жыл бұрын
I feel the Yamato's destruction was more horrifying cuz at least the Odyssey's civilians and non-essential personnel had been offloaded onto DS9 prior to this.
@leepreston9637
10 ай бұрын
Obedience is victory, and victory is life.
@acmenipponair
10 ай бұрын
It's even more frightening, when you remember that these scenes were made 7 years before you saw similar images on live tv from NYC...
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
@@AndrewChapman We don’t know for a fact that anyone was actually offloaded at DS9.
@marcusjustice6165
10 ай бұрын
@@thomashong2938 it was stated in the dialog in the DS9 Operations OPS Center when Lieutenant Jadzia Dax asks Captain Keogh has he planned on offloading nonessential personnel and Captain Keogh arrogantly asked Lieutenant Dax had she ever considered serving aboard a starship to which she answered that she was happy serving at DS9.
@Canoby
9 ай бұрын
I remember seeing this for the first time on broadcast TV, just seeing a Galaxy class starship get so completely pwned really did establish the Dominion as the hard core new dangerous enemies to be feared
@johnsumner6593
9 ай бұрын
they were bad asses
@MikeDragon
5 ай бұрын
Out of all ship classes in the fleet across the centuries, for some reason the destruction of a Galaxy Class always feels like the saddest and most impactful one, to me.
@Nalehw
9 ай бұрын
In every other episode, once your shields go down, you're as good as paper. It's INCREDIBLE that the Odyssey was able to hold up for ten minutes with no shields against an unfamiliar enemy. Part of this might be the Dominion toying with them, but even so, the damage control teams on that ship were heroes. So far, the honour of a letter suffix (Enterprise-D, Voyager-A, etc) seems to be reserved for protagonist ships. But I hope one day the name Odyssey-A is canonised.
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
9 ай бұрын
well atleast the Odyssey is taking hits like a boss those runabouts would be toast without shields the odyssey atleast has the mass to soak some hits before she blows
@Sirithil
9 ай бұрын
It's safe to assume the Odyssey gets an -A. The Enterprise-F was Odyssey-class.
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
9 ай бұрын
@@Sirithil shame the Odyssey was not an Odyssey Class she might have fought off the Jem Hadar🤣🤣🤣
@darman12able
9 ай бұрын
@@Sirithil not quite; in alpha canon we don’t yet know its registry but in the game the ship class originated from the new USS Odyssey has the registration NCC-97000. Though being the namesake of the class for the biggest, toughest ships the Federation was producing at that point (aside from maybe the Lexington variant of the class) is a pretty good way of honouring her legacy.
@Nalehw
9 ай бұрын
@@Sirithil That doesn't necessarily hold. The Federation often reuses ship names without appending an -A. For example there's a USS Defiant in TOS and a new, different USS Defiant in DS9. There's a USS Stargazer in TNG and a different USS Stargazer in PIC. This still honours their predecessor! But adding the letter suffix seems to be a special extra honour which only protagonists get.
@dont_give_a_flying_f
10 ай бұрын
Love that opening shot with the odyssey and the runabout flying in formation. Really puts perspective on the size of the galaxy class
@FS2K4Pilot
Жыл бұрын
I was just imagining how differently things would’ve gone if they’d had the Defiant in place of the runabouts.
@probochronicles3991
10 ай бұрын
Imagine also what it would've been like had they gone in with a cloaked squad of Klingon ships backing them up
@dougsmith6262
10 ай бұрын
Zero Starfleet casualties had rhs Defiant been there instead.
@paul1979uk2000
9 ай бұрын
It probably wouldn't have made much of a difference, we should remember that this was at a time that the Federation knew little to nothing about the Dominion but clearly they knew more about the Federation. We should also remember that the Defiant got a much stronger hull because the Federation didn't have a defence that were effective against the Dominion weapons, so who knows how the Defiant would have turned out before this event. But either way, as the war got going, the Federation learned a lot more about the Dominion and their capabilities, after that, galaxy class and likely all the other classes of ships got better suited to handle what the Dominion threw at them, hence why we see the Galaxy class ships kicking arse later in the war, especially against the bug ships which were more or less cannon fodder.
@Ensign_Cthulhu
9 ай бұрын
@@paul1979uk2000 Wasn't this the encounter that led to Sisko requesting command of the Defiant in the first place?
@1337penguinman
9 ай бұрын
The very next episode is where she makes her debut.
@LGranthamsHeir
Жыл бұрын
The 'wow' moment of DS9. Similar to TNG's "We have engaged the Borg!!" The big baddie of the series is revealed!
@BlastHardcheeseable
10 ай бұрын
Starfleet has always been over-reliant on shields to protect their ships. The Odyssey and the Enterprise proved that Starfleet ships were paper tigers when you can bypass their shields completely. Once they found a way to block the Dominion polaron beams with their shields and actually started armoring their ships, the Galaxy class became ton-for-ton far superior to the Dominion Battlecruiser. That's how a combined Dominion/Cardassian fleet could be completely locked down by a Federation fleet half its size during Operation Return in the episode Sacrifice of Angels.
@kyle223cat
7 ай бұрын
I don't think that's what this scene shows at all. Despite essentially having no shields, the Odyssey was able to tank sustained heavy damage from 3 Dominion attack ships, which we know to be heavily armed. We see that it's still able to lay down phaser fire despite taking heavy damage, and it's still able to retreat at the end of the battle. The only reason it was destroyed was because it was rammed in possibly the worst possible location. The reason the Federation started doing better against the Dominion wasn't necessarily because it started putting armor on its ships (that definitely helped), but because they adapted their shields to the Dominion's polaron weapons. Put nearly any other ship in the Odyssey's position and it would have been destroyed in under a minute. My takeaway from this scene is the Galaxy class is incredibly durable despite not having shields.
@BlastHardcheeseable
7 ай бұрын
@@kyle223cat The Galaxy class is my favorite Trek ship and always will be. I absolutely love the ship, and I'm the first to argue that it'll beat the Sovereign as a warship every single time if they both carry the same weapons. But, I'm not going to say it's without its weaknesses. Yes it tanked several Jem'Hadar attack ships, but it was barely in any condition to escape before they rammed it. The Enterprise-D blew up from a warp core breach while her shields were compromised and she took handful of hits from a century-old Bird of Prey. Before that, the D exploded from a stray ship scraping a warp nacelle in a groundhog day loop episode. If the Odyssey tanked those attack ships so well, it's because they didn't know where her weak spots were. It's because of sloppy writing that the Galaxy class is so weak when its shields are down, since the writers have the goal of making the ship go boom. That doesn't stop it from being canon though.
@mardus_ee
6 ай бұрын
@@BlastHardcheeseable In-universe, it was not because the Galaxy class or USS Odyssey were weak, but because Jem'Hadar ships were so much more advanced.
@EnigmaticPenguin
10 ай бұрын
Sisko’s ability to compartmentalize in the moment is admirable.
@thomascollins4325
10 ай бұрын
I remember being shocked and surprised when the Odyssey was destroyed so easily.
@gaiusbaltar8915
9 ай бұрын
It's a story about a total war with uncounted casulties - and yet, Star Trek managed to make each and every one of them feel tragic.
@PocketBrain
9 ай бұрын
Quark: "Nog, you're never going on a field trip again!" Nog: (joins Starfleet)
@Frizzleman
Жыл бұрын
Can’t believe I’m only just own watching this show but seeing this ship come out of warp and rescue Jake and Nog only to be demolished after such a brief but heroic time with the crew almost made me tear up. RIP
@markfinch6794
9 ай бұрын
Always loved how a runabout can last longer than a Galaxy Class ship. You know that Captain walked onto his bridge and said “ Picard had a better bridge “
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
9 ай бұрын
I always loved how this is the only federation ship to take a suicide run after that it's always the Klingons taking the hits in future battles which is interesting you would think the dominion would suicide the galaxy class ships as well as vorchas but nope they suicide birds of prey instead which is a waste of a ship to be honest
@Boa_Omega
9 ай бұрын
It was not the weapons fire that destroyed the odysee. It was the collision. They had reduced power to shields. The shields were set to disperse enemy fire not solid objects. They were damaged and the J'em hadar aimed at the engines. That took down containment of the warp core. After that matter meets antimatter and radiation annihilation turns the fusion plants into nuclear bombs destroying the ship. Fusion power is how they power the ship and impulse drive until the warp core is online.
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
9 ай бұрын
@@Boa_Omega so what's your point no one here said that weapons fire or ship collision destroyed the odyssey? are you cranky do you need a cookie?
@MrDibara
8 ай бұрын
To be fair, Runabouts only last longer due to sheer weave energy. Small frame, way higher agility, they were surviving on not getting hit as much as possible. Case in point, Dax and Odo's Runabout was about to get steamed faster than the Odyssey as soon as it took just a few hits. The Odyssey is definitelly more durable, it's just that Runabouts can be pretty hard to hit.
@seniormale
8 ай бұрын
Data would have saved the day..😂
@doords
10 ай бұрын
Attack pattern delta means you actually have to move your ship and not just remain stationary
@adamlove3295
7 ай бұрын
That opening volley against the Odyssey was so devastating that it made the two runabouts shake, too.
@thunderboltcougar5626
6 ай бұрын
Lol i didn't notice that
@thestanleys3657
Жыл бұрын
prepare for ramming speed -Vorta commander
@iggyarctic5711
Жыл бұрын
Worf, TRUE Warrior!
@SuperRaditz7
10 ай бұрын
Just the idea of a Galaxy class being able to take a beating for five minutes with no shields from 3 dominion ships is impressive Then the dominion have to ram a ship into it to win Its either size or hull material
@OmegaReaver
10 ай бұрын
Sheer mass, at nearly 5 million metric tonnes. Armour-wise, the _Galaxy_ class, and the others like her (the _Cheyenne_ , _Nebula_ and especially the _New Orleans_ classes) had none whatsoever, as they were planned and built during one of the Federation's most peaceful eras. But what they lacked in armour they made up with powerful shields and sheer mass, at least for the _Galaxy_ and _Nebula_ classes.
@digitalis2977
10 ай бұрын
Sadly, it was simply careful shooting on the Dominion's part. They were *WAITING* for Sisko to escape...according to plan. The Dominion could have blown the Odyssey apart instantly on contact (since it's shields were rendered essentially non-existent) but they only *chose* to destroy it *AFTER* Sisko had been rescued to send a message.
@apreviousseagle836
9 ай бұрын
@@digitalis2977 A strong martial artist who's 200lbs of muscle, is still going to be in serious sh!7 if three 100lb martial artists decide to attack him.
@digitalis2977
9 ай бұрын
@@apreviousseagle836 Not when your "three martial artists" are 28 pounds each.
@donnthesovereigncitizen1577
9 ай бұрын
Tri-Tanium?😂😂😂
@ryan4327
11 ай бұрын
Oh how heartbreaking. This ship and crew were every bit that Enterprise was. They just had the rotten luck of encountering the Dominion on a first contact.
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
They just had the rotten luck of having the biggest fool since George Armstrong Custer as their captain. “This ship and crew were every bit that Enterprise was.” If that was even remotely true, then Odyssey wouldn’t have ended up in bits and pieces.
@Cd5ssmffan
10 ай бұрын
@@thomashong2938 Imagine thinking that an enterprise ship is invincible for any reason other than plot armor
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
@@Cd5ssmffan A ship is only as good as it’s crew and it’s leadership. Is it plot armour that every Enterprise had great captains in charge of great crews? Enterprise ships are not invincible because if they were, there would only be a new one built every 50 to 100 years. 🖖 🇺🇦🏁>🇷🇺
@blacktronpavel
10 ай бұрын
They went to some lengths to make her as much of a peer to the Enterprise-D as they could.
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
@@blacktronpavel The ships were the same class and were commanded by charismatic captains. The crews wore the same uniforms and the same communicator badges. The main bridges looked similar. And that’s about it as far as similarities. DS9 production did not establish, either in dialogue or scenes, that Keogh and his crew were as highly regarded as their Enterprise counterparts. Not in the episode or during the season. The writers and producers should have had the Odyssey and its crew as a constant presence throughout the second season. Not only would it have given them a chance to tell non-Enterprise starship stories, it would have provided an opening for TNG fans to start watching the show. And to get to know Odyssey crew the way we knew people on the Enterprise-D. The loss of Odyssey would have had a greater emotional impact.
@blue387
Жыл бұрын
I imagine Captain Keogh was using the battle bridge in this scene instead of the main bridge
@FS2K4Pilot
Жыл бұрын
It looks like another battle bridge redress, but I do see the center pylon from the old bridge rail behind Captain Keogh.
@TheCormTube
Жыл бұрын
I think it is meant to be the main bridge, it looks to have the usual galaxy class divide bit behind Keogh but the back is very different. They've often said a lot of bridges were modular and could be swapped out. I believe the Enterprise had a large spacious bridge because it was the flagship and often on high profile diplomatic assignments.
@Recessio
Жыл бұрын
The real-life explanation was that they couldn't use the Enterprise bridge because they were filming Generations at the same time. But yeah I imagine it's either another Battle Bridge, or the Odyssey had a different bridge. There's a few deleted scenes in this episode's scripts that took place on the bridge, I've never managed to find video of it but I imagine they would give us a better look at the bridge layout.
@bryanpassifiume8255
Жыл бұрын
lol not all ships have the same looking bridge you know
@Alamandorious
Жыл бұрын
@@bryanpassifiume8255 Usually, ships of the same class do, at least when it comes to the layout..
@1nONLY_DRock
11 ай бұрын
For me it was the biggest 'Oh sh*t' moment in Star Trek history.
@christopherkraft1327
Жыл бұрын
This is such a dramatic scene!!! 🖖
@BNuts
Жыл бұрын
Seeing the same ship class as a series hero ship get destroyed like that will always be a gut-punch. We saw it in early _TNG_ when _USS Yamato_ was destroyed by an Iconian Viral Probe. We saw it repeatedly during the Dominion War, including with the first Defiant-class _Defiant_ . But even in TOS, seeing a Connie get walloped felt bad. Well, _STO_ gave the _Yamato_ some grace by naming their refined Galaxy-X class after her. As for _Odyssey_ , that's the _F_ 's class. And it's a fan design. Can't have more honour than that.
@lzbhcvm6747
Жыл бұрын
Galaxy class bridge only exploded once in TNG. It's nice to see things are suddenly blowing up in this scene
@leeroberts1192
9 ай бұрын
Not sure if they are using the Battle Bridge
@leeroberts1192
Жыл бұрын
Even with all civilians and non-combatants left behind at DS9, I've never understood why they didn't also leave the saucer at DS9 as the drive section would have been much more manoeuvrable without the saucer attached
@bryanlarson1605
Жыл бұрын
budget probably lol
@Infern0121
Жыл бұрын
The saucer has a lot of weaponry on it also, they should have separated it though, two targets, firing from different angles, but as the other poster said, budget.
@thomashong2938
Жыл бұрын
Uh, incompetent, arrogant, complacent starship captain and equally bad senior officers.
@F40PH-2CAT
Жыл бұрын
Once they said that I knew the Odyssey was toast.
@scottwalker6947
Жыл бұрын
@@Infern0121 multi vector assault system.
@stith
Жыл бұрын
I had always hoped that the female vorta would reappear, specially when we found out they were clones. Always thought it was a missed avenue, specially regarding her psychic powers that were never brought up again from what I remember. I had thought maybe there were vorta and jem hadar that were specially bread for other traits/talents, woulda liked some unique troops brought in every once in awhile, even though I loved weyoun’s portrayal
@danielbuggie591
10 ай бұрын
I believe that was the intent but sometimes actor availability becomes a problem.
@stith
10 ай бұрын
@@danielbuggie591 that's understandable, disappointing, but understandable.
@danielbuggie591
10 ай бұрын
@@stith Yeah, it happens. Like the Admiral in the 2-parter regarding the coup on Earth (Paradise Lost) was also the actor who played General Hague in Babylon 5. However he opted to go with DS9 with the scheduling conflict so the character was killed offscreen in B5.
@acmenipponair
10 ай бұрын
@@danielbuggie591 "Where is General Hague" - "he is on Deep Space 9, he got double booked, so JMS just killed him off screen" - at least Talia Winters got a send off episode before her brain ended on the desk of Walter Koenig. :D
@danielbuggie591
10 ай бұрын
@@acmenipponair Talia was more important to the story arch though. Unfortunately she presumably would've gotten the increased screentime she wanted as the show shifted into the Shadow War based on the way things played out with Lyta. Hague dying though would've been inevitable since the story needed Sheridan and Co to lead and become the faces of the resistance. I suspect Hague would've died in Severed Dreams myself or shortly after regardless.
@spartybrearly7221
7 ай бұрын
Dax: “Have you tried altering your harmonics to compensate?” Captain Keogh: “Brilliant idea Commander! Excellent idea! It never occurred to us to try that!” 🤦♂😡
@blacktronpavel
11 ай бұрын
This was one of the biggest “Oh shit!” moments in Star Trek. Till this point we were still confident that the Galaxy-Class was generally unmatched. TNG just ended so the timing was even better.
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
When properly led by competent, experienced officers, the Galaxy-class was generally unmatched. The problem was that Odyssey was captained by the biggest fool since General Custer at the Battle of Little Bighorn.
@DantesonofSparda85
10 ай бұрын
@@thomashong2938not a complete fool. Unlike another captain of another certain Galaxy-class, Keogh was smart enough to off-load all non-essential personnel and civilians off the Odyssey first
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
@@DantesonofSparda85 What visual proof do we have that he actually offloaded the civilians and nonessential personnel when Odyssey was docked at DS9? And it wasn’t confirmed in dialogue that there had been an evacuation. We are assuming that Keogh acted on Dax’s recommendation to leave the families and nonessential personnel behind on the station.
@blacktronpavel
10 ай бұрын
@@thomashong2938 hubris
@blacktronpavel
10 ай бұрын
@@thomashong2938 I think it's a fair assumption he did offload non-essential personnel. We'd have to check to see if there's been any characters so say anything about them in later episodes.
@adambrown6669
7 ай бұрын
I always wondered what would happen if the war went on a bit longer and we got to see the sovereign class deployed on the front lines, the U.S.S. Sovereign and Enterprise E both launched atleast a year before the war even started, chances are a few others existed around the time too, the Sovereign was without any shed of a doubt more powerful than anything else starfleet had made at that point, would have been cool seeing one lead a duo of excelsiors in a strike on a dominion carrier or something, considering how the E did against the Scimitar, I imagine a sovereign would have trashed several of those dominion ships with little effort, and with its profile being more akin to the tactically oriented ships like the Norway, saber, Steamrunner, akira and defiant, it would have been a harder ship to put down for the dominion, even if they got through its shielding.
@jonathanmyers2867
Жыл бұрын
Is that Alan Oppenheimer, the voice of Skeletor?
@gabelogan5877
Жыл бұрын
Alan is largely a voiceover actor so yes I assume he did Skeletor
@josephmassaro
Жыл бұрын
And Man-At Arms...and Mer-Man...and...
@melvincunningham5660
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@albatani27
Жыл бұрын
The one and only.
@harrisonchr
Жыл бұрын
I'm honestly surprised the Odyssey didn't detach the saucer section prior to entering the wormhole. At least not as many lives would have been lost.
@pereortulan5701
Жыл бұрын
..the Starfleet had nooooo idea about the Dominion.
@StraightWhiteMaleNews
Жыл бұрын
Non essential personnel were left on DS9
@ib_aryayogabharata
10 ай бұрын
Because Federation also want to show power projection by sending it's most advance starship in service at the time😂
@otomicans6580
9 ай бұрын
Special effects budget :) I'm kind of confused as to the tactical "advantages" of a saucer separation when it at the very least means losing the saucer's phaser banks. I would think an optimal solution would be to just jettison escape pods during most fights, but those are effects budget-limited as well.
@UnleashthePhury
9 ай бұрын
@@otomicans6580it was the 80s - retractable roof stadiums were all the rage, Transformers were unleashed on the world - of course the Enterprise could detach the saucer section. Though I believe in universe, the idea was the entire saucer section becomes the “escape pod” and the warp section is the battle ship - they even have a battle bridge. There’s some logic to it - depending where they are, it could be months or longer before anyone can come help them. There’s a better chance of everyone surviving longer on the saucer vs escape pods. The star drive section can send more to defensive systems, and it’s got less surface area for the shields to protect (maybe that makes them stronger?)
@andrewblanchard2398
Жыл бұрын
I remember the preview for this episode on TV they used footage from the TNG episode CAUSE & EFFECT and the voiceover said : " HAVE THE CREW OF THE ENTERPRISE MET THEIR MATCH ? " and they showed CAPTAIN JEAN LUC PICARD yelling : " ALL HANDS ABANDON SHIP " and then the USS ENTERPRISE D exploded
@theeverything611
8 ай бұрын
I love how I was given a Star Wars ad before watching this, I don’t think a KZitem experience could get anymore priceless haha
@mardus_ee
6 ай бұрын
I often get Dune ads with these clips :)
@tkdmaster3bd
9 ай бұрын
Attack pattern delta. what a fine day for a rogue crossover reference
@EngCenturion
6 ай бұрын
I can only imagine how demoralizing it was for the Federation when they learned, that the first loss in the war was a Galaxy-class.
@robeson1070
Жыл бұрын
Gosh, good thing this episode was followed up with a lighthearted episode about Quark's bar being temporarily converted into a Starfleet orphanage. So silly. Rootbeer floats for everybody! ☺️ 😒
@ComicGladiator
6 ай бұрын
"Curse you He-man, you did this somehow! NYYYAAAHHH!" - Final words of Captain Keogh.
@RyanMarice
Жыл бұрын
Not one photon torpedo fired as far as I can see. I'm like, come on!
@rammigraterammigrate3533
Жыл бұрын
Likely the JH fighter were too maneuverable for an accurate torpedo hit
@ahhlewis_mapping
Жыл бұрын
also torepdos this close would damage the ship
@RyanMarice
Жыл бұрын
@@rammigraterammigrate3533 They're not more maneuverable than a bird of prey, so I don't think we could say that.
@RyanMarice
Жыл бұрын
@@ahhlewis_mapping The Enterprise crew can adjust the yield of their torpedos on the fly by this time, Shouldn't they? Couldn't they open fire before they got so close? Oh well. Not everyone is at the Enterprise level.
@ahhlewis_mapping
Жыл бұрын
@@RyanMarice It isnt specified what yields could damage the ship itself. Even if a low yield torpedo would only damage the shields as well, the odyssey rerouted shield power to phasers and a low yield warhead would not damage the jem'hidare considerably.
@pauld6967
10 ай бұрын
A good example of capital ship versus PT boats. An argument can be made that Odyssey should have gone into battle using only the secondary hull, i.e. the stardrive portion. A counter argument would be that by going in with the primary hull attached allowed the ship to survive longer as there was more "ship" to absorb damage.
@thunderboltcougar5626
10 ай бұрын
The case here weren't about size. The mistake however, Capt Keogh had diverted all of Odyssey's shield power to weapon. The ship's defenseless. With its shield, the Galaxy class could withstand against the ramming jemhadar fighter. Apparently, the dominion didn't try suicide run anymore against any of Galaxy class during battle of Chin'toka. Going into battle w/ only stardrive section are an incredibly stupid idea. As most of its main phaser arrays were on the saucer. Also by going w/ either saucer or stardrive, they only brought 50% of its shield power & its core computer processing effectiveness. (Just as the manual described, separation mode only mean for emergency evac. of the saucer section. When the destruction's inevitable; not to be deliberately exploided for tactical advantages.) That's why all Galaxy class have their maximum configuration during DW. So your counterargument are the correct one.
@pauld6967
10 ай бұрын
@@thunderboltcougar5626 A reason why it wasn't a mistake to give that order,...you seem to be overlooking that he diverted power to weapons BECAUSE the shields were proving to be completely useless versus the new Dominion weapon.
@thunderboltcougar5626
9 ай бұрын
@@pauld6967nah, i fully aware, that capt.Keogh diverting all shield's power to boost their weapon's power, since the JemHadar found a way to neutralize their shield. However at one point ,their weapon system were taken offline and they couldn't use their weaponry. Later, they didn't restore power for their shield, despite they already changing tactic & are about to retreat. (While there's no need to switch power back to shield, in the middle of battle when their shield serve nothing; but considering they'r now about to retreat, the best course of action is to put your defensive cap at maximum strenght. Something Capt Keogh had overlooked). This's difficult situation that required them to act precisely in short time to counter the changing of JemHadar's tactic. Nevertheless, those are still **the very same of only "mistake" needed by the JemHadar so they could exploited it to put an end for the Odyssey.
@thunderboltcougar5626
9 ай бұрын
@@pauld6967but one thing that i pissed the most is that, when Bryan said the jem making a direct run onto the Odyssey, Kira didn't rely the information to Capt Keogh; but calmly trying to intercept it. My point is, if the most powerful phaser of the Federation have at that time couldn't even damage the Jem, then what was she trying to achieve by intercept it with just a runabout's? Officer didn't rely important message often happens in the battlefield, in a very crucial moment, which often resulted in catastrophic disaster.
@pauld6967
9 ай бұрын
@@thunderboltcougar5626 Agreed. She made the wrong decision but I guess the writer(s) wanted to show her making an effort to save the Odyssey.
@mdxque8393
Жыл бұрын
So… assuming all Galaxy-class operate like the Enterprise, how many families, children and civilians died on the Odyssey?
@tomsmith5584
Жыл бұрын
I believe they left all of the civilians and families back at DS9. However, a Galaxy class starship normally has 1,000 souls on board, plus or minus.
@kaidenshepard8446
Жыл бұрын
none, all were evacuated to th station before the venture through the wormhole - its mentioned in ops in the episode
@teleportedbreadfor3days
Жыл бұрын
You’re kidding, right?
@teleportedbreadfor3days
Жыл бұрын
@@tomsmith5584 Of course they did! The issue with some Star Trek fans is that they make crazy assumptions because they base it on what they don’t see or hear, and sometimes what they *do* see. For lovers of a franchise that has technobabble and pseudo-science that became world-changing inspiration for the entire sci-fi genre in the same manner that J.R.R. Tolkien’s Middle Earth inspired the fantasy genre, they really don’t use their imaginations a lot.
@gabelogan5877
Жыл бұрын
The Captain evacuated all the families and nonessential personnel to DS9 before entering the wormhole but yes, countless families seemingly have died in similar incidents.
@MaraIndigoJade
10 ай бұрын
Man, I remember seeing this on first airing back in ~'96, I think? The episode up to the point of the battle was just another run-of-the-mill DS9 standalone filler episode...or so I thought. I was talking to a friend on the phone at the time and when it happened all I said was 'Oh HOLY SHI....OH MY GOD!' and then absolute shocked silence. He asked me 'WHAT?!?' like ten times and I couldn't say anything at first. Then I explained it to him. He wasn't a Trekkie but even he was shocked and impressed.
@TheDogGeneral
10 ай бұрын
For all my fellow trekkers that have asked or implied yes the odyssey's bridge is different from the rest of the Galaxy class lineage for this episode but there is only one reason for it when the episode was filmed Star Trek generations was in the process of production that's TNG bridge for the Enterprise D which was a Galaxy class ship was not available at the time so when they shot the episode showcasing the odyssey's destruction they had to use a spare set and redress it to appear like a Galaxy class ship in the end visually and continuity wise its visually discernible but it's meant to be a depiction of the same bridge but it's visual departure cannot be reconciled so it is what it is at the end of the day but it is the explanation behind everything
@DrummingWriterTrekfan84
9 ай бұрын
Yes it's the set used for the Enterprise refit,a,b,c, relient, excelcior, D's battle bridge, etc.
@TheDogGeneral
9 ай бұрын
@@DrummingWriterTrekfan84 yeah that spare Bridge got a lot of usage it's just they would have liked to have used the TNG sets for the Odyssey but they couldn't because of generations was filming and I read somewhere that Ronald Moore and Brian Braga said for that episode they would have preferred the production sets but given the tight filming schedule it just couldn't happen they couldn't risk overlap
@DrummingWriterTrekfan84
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDogGeneral yeah that makes sense. And even with the little we saw, the odyssey bridge looked really cool!
@blackjac5000
7 ай бұрын
The TNG Tech Manual said that the bridge was a completely separate module that could be plugged in, so maybe the Odyssey had a differently designed one.
@TheDogGeneral
7 ай бұрын
@@blackjac5000 and it's possible I don't refute it or discounted the 4-ft filming model they used for that episode of Deep Space Nine was the 4-footer from the TNG television series it was more filming friendly than the master Studio 6 ft or which they had difficulty shooting the visual exterior of the Odyssey is identical to the Enterprise so on an exterior basis they are identical but why the bridge internal volume is smaller it's never elaborated on but it is visually different but you're correct the Odyssey could have very easily had a different bridge for that was condensed for equipment reasons or some other explanation that I'm sure it had they had time Rick sternbach would have extrapolated I just think it is kind of funny though we had they had the original TNG sets available they would have used that and we wouldn't be asking ourselves all these years why the Odyssey bridge look different obviously they went to Great pains to try to match the sets with the spare Bridge set that they had that was the Battle Bridge and the bridge of the Enterprise a and the Excelsior the Enterprise B so we are left with this visual discrepancy in the canonical source it is after all a television show and sometimes they had errors regardless so we take it with a pinch of salt
@Brian6587
8 ай бұрын
Such an impactful scene and one of the most memorable of the series. You're just in shock and realize what's coming.
@Phoenixesper1
10 ай бұрын
You know I like to think in an alternate universe, where TNG carried on past season 7 and generations wasn't made. This became a cross over episode of epic significance, as it marked the start of the dominion war, and the destruction of the Enterprise D, which arrived and went after sisko instead of the oddesy, and the death of jean luc picard who ordered a full evacuation, as the battle went ill, of all hands but himself who stayed behind to fight off the enemies (just as he did in yesterdays enterprise) the main cast escapes and carries on with the enterprise E with riker as captain, worf stays on DS9. It would have been a phenomenal moment in trek history.
@blackjac5000
7 ай бұрын
There are some TNG tie-in novels about the Enterprise-E during the Dominion War, along with the Excalibur being kept off to the side as a contingency if the Federation lost and they needed someone still out there doing hit-and-run attacks on the occupation.
@markfinch6794
7 ай бұрын
Love how the runabouts always took more punishment and stayed intact
@GreenFenril
Жыл бұрын
The showrunners made a deliberate move in making the USS Odyssey a Galaxy-Class. They wanted to show viewers that even the mighty USS Enterprise would've suffered the same fate as the Odyssey; to show the viewers that the Dominion was a real and legitimate threat to the Federation
@adamboyen4727
10 ай бұрын
They actually wanted to get the enterprise instead but the creators of TNG refused so they invented the Odyssey as a galaxy class instead, for that reason, funny thing is though just a few months later generations comes out and they blow up the enterprise anyways 😂
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
@@adamboyen4727 You know what’s even funnier? LaForge rebuilt the Enterprise-D.
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
They failed miserably at proving the Enterprise-D would’ve suffered the same fate. Because that ship is not led and crewed by arrogant, complacent fools.
@marcusjustice6165
10 ай бұрын
Unless Captain Picard and Lieutenant Commander Data performed The Picard Manuever and fooled the Jem'hadar to attempt to ram the wrong ship.
@jakekaye817
10 ай бұрын
@@adamboyen4727 The refusal to destroy the hero ship of a different series was reciprocated two years later, when the first draft of ST: First Contact had the Borg destroying the Defiant. DS9 producers went ballistic when they found out, and they compromised on a rewrite where the Defiant survived.
@TechWinnerCC
4 ай бұрын
This is the episode when DS9 grew up. I remember watching this when it originally aired as a kid, and thinking “wow, this is going to be a different kind of Star Trek.“
@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775
10 ай бұрын
Everything done in this scene was handled very well, showing the ship was taking a large amount of damage and the shields being all but useless against the Jem-Hadar. Of course, in the later seasons, they came up with improved shields, and Starfleet looked like they got torn apart like tissue paper.
@darrellmurdock6880
9 ай бұрын
The JemHadar were ruthless & started to show how direct their fighting style was & how effective it worked in battle!.. 🖖😎 kool’z clip
@JacobAllen918
Жыл бұрын
The Odyssey literally looks exactly like the Enterprise. if the two ships were part of a group doing something together, no one would be able to tell what ship was which.
@Locutus
Жыл бұрын
Yes, of course. They are the same class. Sister ships are generally hard to separate externally. Only minor appearance details between them.
@JacobAllen918
Жыл бұрын
@@Locutus The only distinction I can see is the lettering on the primary hull.
@Locutus
Жыл бұрын
@@JacobAllen918 Yes, that's my point. It's not obvious. If you look at the Nimitz Class carriers, they all look identical, but once you know what you're looking for, you can see some minor differences between them. If you don't know what you're looking for, you won't notice them.
@charlesharrison4077
8 ай бұрын
NCC 1701 no bloody A B C or D
@johannpopper1493
9 ай бұрын
Alright, I'm gonna nerd out for a minute. I remember falling down and rolling around on the floor completely blown away when this first aired. Everybody was talking about it in school the next day. The Odyssey captain there was cast perfectly. He had the perfect arrogant attitude of the Federation at its peak, symbolized by the absurd size and utopian ambition of the Galaxy class itself. Like, several dolphins were killed in this scene! Why are we flying a small sea full of dolphins across the galaxy? Because we can lol. Well, we already knew the Borg were scary, but quickly defeatable, so to see a new enemy destroy Starfleet's flagship class in just a few minutes was so frickin exciting. Because, after all, we all know it's more fun to be the underdog.
@Locutus
Жыл бұрын
To be fair to the Galaxy Class, it took one Hell of a beating, and was only destroyed after a kamikaze run. If it wasn’t for the kamikaze, it would have made it to DS9.
@TheCormTube
Жыл бұрын
When the Vorta realised it would likely escape they decided it wasn't a strong enough message and had to take it out quickly.
@rammigraterammigrate3533
Жыл бұрын
And yet the enterprise D takes a single blast and loses the starboard power coupling (ALWAYS that same power coupling)
@iggyarctic5711
Жыл бұрын
The so called 'Galaxy Class' is a TOTAL JOKE! A stick of TNT with a short fuse! Its a huge,ponderous target that is Easily destroyed,like ww2 battleships'invulnerability'? in the age of airpower!
@thomashong2938
Жыл бұрын
@@iggyarctic5711 A joke? Easily destroyed? Not when competently led, like the Enterprise-D.
@thomashong2938
Жыл бұрын
@@TheCormTube The Vorta? More like the changelings or the Jem’hadar decided.
@Snowwie88
9 ай бұрын
The problem here is not so much the lack of firepower of the Galaxy starship but just the inadequate use of it. We have seen before how much photon torpedo's a Galaxy starship can fire at once. In the first episode of TNG we see the Enterprise firing at least 8 torpedo's to 'blind' Q from it's aft launcher. The front launcher must have the same kind of specs. They usally fire those torpedo's in bursts of 4, but in rapid succession of 8 at once. Loading time between those volley's is not known. In this whole scene we don't see the Odyssey using photon torpedo's, while Jem'Hadar fighters can be destroyed by them (e.g. when they attacked the Ds9 station Sisko says to Worf 3 Jem'Hadar fighters are going after the Defiant, in which Worf replies "Got them!". So a volley of photon torpedo's, maybe 5 or 6 or so were enough to destroy those 3 ships. And here, in this scene we have also only 3 Jem'Hadar ships, and one massive Galaxy class starship that would easily toss aside those 3 little ships. And they also had the help of these runabouts. If Starfleet was more careful, not knowing how dangerous those Jem'Hadar (and the Dominion) are, then they would have retrofitted the Odyssey with a lot more weapons, quantum torpedo's and ablative hull armor, just in case. This scene is also painful to watch, and is on par with the destruction of the Enterprise D in Generations (even though the Enterprise D was recovered later in Picard).
@richardstarkey2247
8 ай бұрын
It's the "watering down" effect of villains. When they're first introduced they're unstoppable as time progresses they get easier to destroy. When we first meet the Jem'Hadar they take down a Galaxy class ship, by season 7 a runabout destroys one of their ships. Star Trek does this a lot. Most notably with the Borg.
@philly83
Жыл бұрын
Would've been nice to get at least a hint of what the feud was between Dax and Keogh
@LordZontar
Жыл бұрын
Keogh was a fool and Dax knew it.
@yanickmonet1165
10 ай бұрын
Well, the Odyssey did fight without shields.... Handled all that damage AND was managing to exit the theater, only succumbing once a suicide attack occurred. Now THAT'S engineering
@elwyn5150
7 ай бұрын
Does Quark grabbing Nog by the lobes count as SA?
@randomunavailable
8 ай бұрын
The federation learned a lot from this battle and Sisko was one tough as nails commander. The way he retro fitted DS9 into a war platform was impressive. (Well the writers obviously) But Sisko's character was so well acted. It was still heartbreaking to see this ship get defeated so easily but in retrospect it's sacrifice is justified.
@JoeKawano
10 ай бұрын
This is the real time the “Enterprise” (metaphorically) died. Symbolically, by taking out a Galaxy class ship, it represents the writers and team of Deep Space 9 clearing out the Next Generation and what it stood for.
@VegetaLF7
10 ай бұрын
Same way Best of Both Worlds Part 2 did it with TOS by showing a destroyed Constitution-Refit at Wolf-359. Just as the Odyssey was meant to symbolically represent TNG and the Enterprise-D, that destroyed Connie was meant to symbolize that the Borg would have destroyed Kirk's Enterprise too
@ccthomas
8 ай бұрын
O'Brien: "Are there any survivors?" Sisko: "Naaaaah, let's get the f**k outta here."
@ff3player
8 ай бұрын
@@Darth-Desire Fortunately, most non-essential crewmembers and all civilians had been offloaded at DS9 prior to departure, saving hundreds of lives.
@blackjac5000
7 ай бұрын
They probably couldn't carry that many in a runabout to begin with. It was just sheer luck that the CG-36500 was able to stay afloat with 36 guys aboard despite being rated for only 12.
@maddslothii2532
2 ай бұрын
Sisko: "By the way chief why did it take you 45 seconds to notify the Odyssey you recovered me?" O'Brien: "They call me Smiley..."
@Mysticinvestigations
10 ай бұрын
If that was the Enterprise I'm sure Data would have come up with some fancy fix to repel that crazy Kamikaze Jem'Hadar before it crashed into the ship. Perhaps the tractor beam could have been utilized in a way that would ultimately be known as The Data Maneuver.
@dmadd4643
10 ай бұрын
He tried that in 'Cause and Effect'. Didn't work on the Bozeman, probably wouldn't work on a Jem Hadar fighter.
@F22ERaptor
9 ай бұрын
I think the shields were down - Captain Keogh diverted all power to weapons after the shields failed to prevent the polaron beams from damaging the Odyssey. If Data was on board he may have quickly raised the shields in the nick of time. I recall in an episode of TNG a shuttle rammed the Enterprise and bounced off it's shields. I'm pretty sure shields were capable of deflecting fast, large solid objects - Asteroids and floating junk would be hazards. Captain Keogh made a fatal mistake...
@NTJ1984
9 ай бұрын
@F22ERaptor Did Keogh make a mistake? Perhaps. Dominion beam weaponry was/is Poloron based, and that's always been a weakness for most shield tech in Star Trek. That's why the Klingons developed a Poloron based warhead. If I remember correctly, Dominion torpedo technology also made use of a similar Poloron based warhead comparable to their beam weaponry. It would be fair to say that the torpedoes could have also penetrated the shields. If all the ship had to deal with were beam weapons, then the shields might have stayed up. But with the defensive measures so easily bypassed, diverting that power to weapons wasn't a terrible idea. In the defense of Keogh, he literally had no way of knowing they were going to be rammed until it happened. I imagine him having a "Oh, shit!" moment in his head as he saw what was happening, kind of like Admiral Piet on the bridge of the Executor in Star Wars when the bridge gets rammed by an A-wing. Had the Dominion ship rammed into say, part of the outer saucer section, the ship would have been badly damaged, but probably could have limped home. It hit on the port side, up into the engineering section below and behind the main deflector array. Between all the energy and power in engineering and the section of the array the blew off and into the nacelle, I am not surprised that the ship blew up. To be fair, between Data, LaForge, Riker and Worf, the Enterprise probably would have survived, but it would have been in dock for months getting repaired. In order to sell the Dominion as the new serious threat, they had to drive it home. Could they have done it with a Miranda, Excelsior, Ambassador, New Orleans or any other ship? Yes, but with less effect. Of the four other classes I listed, only The New Orleans is new enough to be on par with the Galaxy, but is smaller, but possibly better armed. The other three are old enough that the argument could have been made that their age was why they were destroyed.
@lunatickoala
9 ай бұрын
@@F22ERaptor By the time of the suicide run, Odyssey was as good as dead in the water. They didn't have warp drive, phasers, or even communications so it's extremely unlikely they could have diverted power back to shields. Assuming that Worf's request to go to battle readiness wasn't shot down like it usually was. Even if by some miracle they somehow had enough shield generators still working to deflect a ramming attack, that only means the Jem'hadar shoot them with more polaron beams until the shields go back down and then ram the ship to make their point. If anyone made a mistake, it was Starfleet Intelligence for having absolutely no information on the Dominion. They were also at fault for not following up on stories of the Borg. The only thing Keogh or anyone else in Starfleet knew about the Dominion or the Jem'hadar is that the Dominion wanted the people of the Alpha Quadrant to stay on their side of the anomaly. Hence why O'Brien said "we were retreating". Not only did Starfleet not know what lay ahead of them per Q's warning, but they didn't even bother to ask the locals about how things worked in the Gamma Quadrant.
@leoismaking
9 ай бұрын
The biggest missed opportunity in DS9 was that they weren't allowed to use the Sovereign class on-screen. One or two shots of the Sovereign, Enterprise, or even an Odyssey-A would have made my day.
@UnleashthePhury
9 ай бұрын
Why weren’t they?
@Athonite
9 ай бұрын
@@UnleashthePhuryThe producers said in an interview that they thought the Sovereign was a modern and sleek design that belonged on movie screens exclusively.
@Audioholics
9 ай бұрын
Agreed. And then they did the Enterprise E dirty in Picard.
@ALxdCr4ftPlays
6 ай бұрын
Considering the Galaxy Class had powerful shielding not tuned to defend against the ir new enemy, it shocked their supporters. Her captain and crew were good. RIP.
@jackylee5850
6 ай бұрын
Can't blame them, federation never encountered Phased Polaron beams before, they had to study the stolen fighter before they could redesign their shield system to resist the impact.
@Lightsoul1987
6 ай бұрын
This proves how ineffective Starfleet's weapons were to begin against Domion ships. The same applies to defense systems.
@jackylee5850
6 ай бұрын
Weapon's wise Starfleet was not completely defenseless, the Jem'Hadar fighters just happened to knock out the galaxy class weapons before they had a chance to use them. While the Runabouts did score a few hits, their phasers are undoubtedly weaker than a typical starship, nothing the shields of the fighters can't handle. It was a technological difference, can't be helped. Fortunately, it was a gap the federation quickly closed, albeit at a great cost.
@Audioholics
9 ай бұрын
They really did the Galaxy class dirty here. In later episodes, a Starfleet shuttle could do more damage to a Jem'HDar ship. The Odyssey should have been able to launch a barrage of photon torpedoes or even separate the saucer section to evacuate people to not have a total loss of life.
@biancabenavides6014
Жыл бұрын
Is that pence? I didn't know pence served in Star Fleet?
@thomashong2938
Жыл бұрын
He’s got the Pence hair. Now he’s just got to get a fly to land on his forehead.
@biancabenavides6014
Жыл бұрын
@@thomashong2938 yeap
@briantaylor9285
9 ай бұрын
Many centuries later, the kamikaze still works.
@markrtoffeeman
Жыл бұрын
Was as a strategic error of Starfleet sending the Odyssey in alone without any destroyer or cruiser escorts. Was a tactical error for the Odyssey to try and stay in the fight as long as it did without protection of shields.
@jonathanstrong4812
11 ай бұрын
A higher death toll if they do the Dominion would of had their scalps as well as the Odyssey
@LordTalax
3 ай бұрын
Star Trek did a lot of lone ship actions. Perhaps because of budget.
@maddslothii2532
2 ай бұрын
Sisko: "By the way, Chief why did it take you 45 seconds to notify the Odyssey you recovered me?" O'Brien: "They call me Smiley..."
@Redshirt434
11 ай бұрын
The message Ira Stephen Behr was crystal clear: this is an enemy that wouldve even destroyed the Enterprise. Obviously not a coincidence that they ised the Galaxy Class model.
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
You mean the BS message was crystal clear. Because Ronald D Moore very strongly disagreed. Picard would never have taken the Enterprise to the other side of the galaxy to confront the Dominion. The last time he was that far out, his ship ended up running from a Borg Cube.
@lynnpoint6395
10 ай бұрын
1:02 - I always thought it was incredibly lazy writing when a character like the Captain has to say "Deploy damage control teams" to a subordinate, as if that subordinate or any of the other officers in the chain of command hadn't already taken that initiative. It makes me think that somewhere on Deck 33 there is a gaping hole in the side of the ship, and in DC Central they're sitting around going, "Should we send a team to fix that? Or should we wait for the Captain to tell us?"
@mecha_moira6443
12 күн бұрын
I'm figuring, with shows like DISCO, Picard and SNW using Dots and Drones to perform repair work. I think that any damage that hits the ship is instantly covered by Dots, to try and suppress fires and fix hull breaches. Maybe a call from the captain or xo is a call to send in organic repair teams who could be doing other repair jobs alongside the dots. Maybe they work faster or have different skills the dots don't have.
@rbrtpongo
Жыл бұрын
I was sorry about the Oydessey she was like the Enterprise D did you know that the Oydessey is base of the story of the Oydessey?
@GartheKnightReturns
10 ай бұрын
No one knew that Skeletor was captain of the Odessey.
@AndrewChapman
Жыл бұрын
The Odyssey's destruction is such a tragedy. However I feel the Yamato's destruction was bit more terrifying as everyone aboard, ship personnel, civilians and non-essential personnel all lost their lives. Whereas civilians and non-essential personnel from the Odyssey were dropped off on DS9 prior to this and therefore survived.
@acmenipponair
10 ай бұрын
Still, imagine you are a mother with 2 children and then they have to tell you: "sorry, they killed your husband and the father of your kids"
@AndrewChapman
10 ай бұрын
@@acmenipponair Yes, that is true.
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
We don’t know from visual evidence that civilians and non-essential personnel were actually dropped off at DS9. No evacuation scenes and no sudden influx of people onto the station.
@rassisca3931
8 ай бұрын
"sorry, they killed your husband and the father of your kids" I think the second part doesn't need saying.
@somarriba333
10 ай бұрын
The Dominion took out Mat-At-Arms, Skeletor, Mer-man, and Falcor all at once!
@TheJustUsLeague
6 ай бұрын
WOW, not one single "Evasive Manuever Beta 2" or better yet why is the Odyssey sitting still the entire time until its too late. Poor decisions by the Captain and XO. Wondered how they did on their Kobayashi Maru test in Starfleet Academy.
@Lightsoul1987
6 ай бұрын
Evasive maneuvers wouldn't help here. A Galaxy-class ship is far too large and slow to outmaneuver the Dominon's fast and maneuverable Jem Hadar attack ships
@thunderboltcougar5626
6 ай бұрын
@@Lightsoul1987 no, she is not. In sacrifice of angels episode, you can see in background the Galaxy class were pretty fast & agile as she turn to port chasing a flight of three jemhadar bugs fighter, destroying one in single burst of her saucer phasers. Its common misconception, that big mean slow. That's not how physic work in space. In contrast, bigger mean you can have more powerful engine or more thruster, which in turn, give you faster and more maneuverable platform. To answer the question, why she just sit there in this episode, its simply because of budget constraint. Edit : but you'r right evasive maneuver probably won't work here, since they able to bypass her shield and she's outnumbered.
@Trains-With-Shane
9 ай бұрын
Watching a Galaxy class starship get beat up like that and then destroyed was pretty difficult. Even without effective shields she still held up well till the end, though. Also. 4:17 I wonder if Kira is thinking "Man if I hadn't missed that last phaser shot"
@MrDibara
8 ай бұрын
Probably. She'd definitelly feel guilt for failing to stop the death of her comrades, regardless if she wasn't at fault at all. _(that Jem'Hadar pilot had some mad skills, not gonna lie)_
@ryan4327
11 ай бұрын
We will never forget The Odyssey.
@thomashong2938
10 ай бұрын
We will always forget the Odyssey.
@HR-yd5ib
6 ай бұрын
The interior design still holds up 30 years later ... and soooo much better than the crap in Picard. amazing.
@alienrefugee51
Жыл бұрын
Dude... you can't do that stuff to a Galaxy class Starship!!! It deserves more respect and realistically would be tougher than that. That never sat well with me.
@Smeginator
Жыл бұрын
That’s precisely why they blew it up. The writers wanted to show the audience that the Dominion wasn’t fucking around, and the easiest way to do that was to destroy a ship that looked like the Enterprise
@Locutus
Жыл бұрын
Realistically tougher??? How??? Its shields were useless against the Dominion's weapons. It took a pounding from 3 warships, over a 10-15 minute period (at least), destroyed 2 of 3, and the 3rd one did a kamikaze, which was what destroyed Odyssey. If it wasn't for the kamikaze, it would have survived.
@alienrefugee51
Жыл бұрын
@@Locutus That's what I'm saying. It was too easy for them to penetrate the shields from the start. Even against the Borg, the Enterprise's shields held for longer than that.
@alienrefugee51
Жыл бұрын
@@Smeginator Yes, I totally understand why the writers did what they did.
@iggyarctic5711
Жыл бұрын
The so-called Galaxy Class is a JOKE!
@andytay5507
10 ай бұрын
Overall, it's a very good scene! However, as an engineer, one thing that really gets to me is that they show Kira leaning to the left on a very modest impulse level maneuver. Whereas, supposedly inertial dampeners keep people from leaning, tripping, falling, going forward or backward while accelerating to warp. So that's absolutely inconsistent, as it's a much lesser maneuver to tilt at impulse than it is to go to warp.
@Megatron-sl5us
Жыл бұрын
The Odyssey was destroyed and Sisko learned the consequences of dealing with a race similar to the Klingons. The Jem'Hadar are a race not to be messed with.
@nexusoldbind5015
7 ай бұрын
I can't help hearing battle cats voice coming out of Alan Oppenheimer in this clip 😂
@bjornjoseph
Жыл бұрын
Bad first officer...murdering his wife
@ff3player
Жыл бұрын
I had to look that up
@ShinkuRosetta
6 ай бұрын
For those thinking there's families on that ship, they were evacuated first and left on ds9 before entering the wormhole.
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