It's kind of wild how quickly we went from "everything on the internet is permanent" to "almost everything on the internet will be lost"
@ThePC007
3 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, I remember that. Then I visited some old forum post where all the images were gone and realized that this wasn't the case at all. :/ Also, there's a really awesome Minecraft animation made by SS Lithuania that was lost to time when Machinima got nuked. :(
@Dopesaur
3 ай бұрын
To me, the original phrase is a bit misleading. "Everything on the internet is permanent", should have really just been "You don't control the permanence of things on the internet". The phrase (to me) was intended to warn about putting something up that would be embarrassing, in fear that the thing would be downloaded and spread without your consent. Thus, making that thing stay on the internet "forever". But I guess the first one was the one that caught on.
@myne00
3 ай бұрын
A while back I found posts I made around 1998 on the Intel forums archived somewhere else. Someone probably archived it all. Tangential, back in those days you could just download any datasheet you wanted.
@jer1776
3 ай бұрын
Thank you capitalism and crooked mega corps.
@teresashinkansen9402
3 ай бұрын
Unless It is a stupid offensive joke you made 13 years ago and now it will cost you your live hood because being PC in the face of the public is all what matters.
@arandom35yearold
3 ай бұрын
The age of information, future historians are going to think the name is ironic when they find out a gigantic void of what actually went on during our age.
@benpoke
3 ай бұрын
Biggest burning of a library in history.
@Ajv516
3 ай бұрын
I’ve been deeply concerned about this for almost 10 years now.
@keller_
3 ай бұрын
Also they'll find 1000 sources saying the opposite of each other because everybody is lying lmao, like there is no more truth, its so subjective nowadays, insane stuff, but on the other hand I do enjoy the chaos
@Exilum
3 ай бұрын
It won't actually be that hard to find out what happens. We document it all both offline and online. The difficult part is getting the content itself. It'll be really easy to get the metadata: on the consumer side, Wikipedia won't disappear and on the organization side, there are many conservation projects all around the world, by governments, universities and even independents.
@myne00
3 ай бұрын
Entropy takes many forms
@nfugitt89
3 ай бұрын
The old internet DID crumble. Geocities, Angelfire, etc are mostly gone. Image hosts of yesteryear are gone, forums are abandoned and gone, onetime tentpoles of the World Wide Web are history.
@IsmailofeRegime
3 ай бұрын
I wouldn't say forums are gone, clearly not nearly as significant as they once were but SomethingAwful for example still has a decently active community catering to all sorts of subjects from political discussion to video games to buying a car.
@cheeeeezewizzz
3 ай бұрын
Weight lifting forums are still active, mostly for people to talk about and buy steroids though.
@lmcgregoruk
3 ай бұрын
Basically no-one has a personal webpage/site anymore, like ISP's used to give you X amount of MB to make your own webpage(s). Pretty much been replaced with Social Media, Facebook/Instagram/X etc.
@astrofavilla
3 ай бұрын
@@lmcgregoruk They're starting to make a comeback though. Neocities and other clones are starting to resurrect that part of the internet.
@olwiz
3 ай бұрын
But lets be frank its a bit finicky the worth of it. Is everything worth? Everything on the web can be saved/scrapped and archived unlike real life, but even if we could archive everything irl would we? All the chatter you or i had this week, do they deserve archiving for the ages - taking space in servers wich btw have a cost in energy, carbon footprint... The pity is the fomo like fact that we can be sure something of value has been lost and keep getting lost. But i bet we cant even aproximate how much of all internet content would have such value... but id argue its more around 10% or less.
@toolazy4names302
3 ай бұрын
As someone who is constantly working on old cars, the death of some of those web 1.0 and 2.0 sites is tragic as I heavily rely on some of those forum post from the late 90s and early 2000s to get to and from work.
@Zamorakphat
3 ай бұрын
This is so underrated. I have 90's and early 2000's cars exclusively and its so hard to find information on certain jobs.
@Batlas
3 ай бұрын
My MIL has a 2000 durango with 4wd and I haven't had to use a transfer case like that in 20 yrs. Had to do some deep digging to try and find out how to get it out of 4lo. Without these old forums, there'd be scant details.
@cheeeeezewizzz
3 ай бұрын
Discord SUCKS
@Bob_Smith19
3 ай бұрын
Photobucket killed old vehicle forums many years ago. Discord is straight trash, it’s bad for real time talk let alone being looked at in the future. Forums were and still are the best medium to distribute information about any topic under the sun.
@PhoenixsWorldVideos
3 ай бұрын
I wanted the torque specs for a clutch kit i got for my 2000 car today, and Exedy told me to use toyota's factory specs. I couldn't get this info already, the best the customer service had was using a forum post from australia. Its crazy the lack of information thats not that old
@Abaddon231
3 ай бұрын
Yeah the internet went from open source information sharing to pure profiteering. Want an old manual from a company that doesnt exist anymore ...PAY ME! Want to play a game that no is no longer available.. PAY ME Want a driver and or software for vintage computer parts ..PAY ME Need a book thats no longer published and removed...PAY ME!! Every day im downloading TBs of stuff from the IA (doest matter what it is) I will always have my own archive and will always give it out for free to anyone who needs it .
@tyttuut
3 ай бұрын
So YOU'RE why IA downloads are so slow!
@rich1051414
3 ай бұрын
@@tyttuut This is funny, but it's usually because long term storage hardware is very slow.
@ThePC007
3 ай бұрын
They really need to invest into some caching server or something.
@jichaelmorgan3796
3 ай бұрын
This is why I find it very suspicious that youtube is offering free old games without ads.
@MrGTAmodsgerman
3 ай бұрын
Not even that. I would pay if i would know what i will get. Because so many documents and such are sold online with just "oh here is a magazine about XY" but what kind of images are actually inside and such is not shown. So why should i pay? I don't know if it's useful to me. Like who would buy randomly a magazine that is 40+ years old without knowing what's inside? You have to have the information beforehand in order to do that, but then if you would have that info, why would you buy it? You already have it.
@grimey78
2 ай бұрын
copyright is one of the most destructive things to happen to art and history
@Strideo1
2 ай бұрын
Copyright is fine. The fact that it lasts longer than a lifetime is ridiculous though. Copyrights shouldn't last any longer than patents; 20 years. People always object to shorter copyrights saying it will hurt individual authors and their estates but let's be honest here, the current copyright laws overwhelmingly help giant media corporations that just buy up intellectual properties and horde them but also don't actually care about them or preserve them.
@peterknutsen3070
2 ай бұрын
How are creative men and women able to devote their full time to the act of creation, if they also have to work a full-time 40 hours a week job, because they cannot earn income from what they have created?
@hypermiraclepositivegirl2415
2 ай бұрын
@@peterknutsen3070Disney having a hold on Mickey Mouse for more than a century is a appeal to reward the hard working artist? Who are you trying to fool here?
@therecalcitrantseditionist3613
2 ай бұрын
You're not wrong. All based on the farcical idea that ideas can be owned. But however, because ideas can equally exist in all people's heads at once, the idea someone can have property over the idea is nonsense
@kaden-sd6vb
2 ай бұрын
This is why I call it copywrong.
@DocSineBell
3 ай бұрын
Fact: if they weren't already in existence, creating a public library nowadays would be impossible.
@akl2k7
3 ай бұрын
It helps that most of them seem to be state-run.
@nocturn9x
3 ай бұрын
Feeling good about your stolen comment?
@DocSineBell
3 ай бұрын
@@nocturn9x the twist that capitalism imparted on the availability of media and how we perceive and use them is a widely discussed topic. This is a classic argument in that discussion that - believe it or not - also happens in real life between real people. Is not really surprising it was posted by other people before.
@RohanAirsoft
2 ай бұрын
It’s not stolen it’s borrowed from a library of comments.
@Blaze6108
2 ай бұрын
To be fair, the government can always say “it’s legal when we do it” (which is kinda how libraries were created, albeit that right was also extended to individuals). But of course it would be considered communism.
@agodelianshock9422
3 ай бұрын
The Internet Archive isn't the only place to find old media. Its a loss to the general public but sailing the seven seas will always be the only way to protect history and lost media. Decentralize the content.
@superkoopatrooper4879
3 ай бұрын
except when people stop seeding
@mrbanana6464
3 ай бұрын
@@superkoopatrooper4879 People seed what they like. If some old show isn't being seeded it's probably bad and not worth preserving.
@RandoWisLuL
3 ай бұрын
@@superkoopatrooper4879 i feel if it became popular again it wouldn't be much of an issue. The bay always provided for our sailing experiences back in the day. There was always a risk but there were also multiple of the same thing. I never had issues. unless you are talking about that lime flavored wire or another p2p
@CGoody564
3 ай бұрын
@@mrbanana6464 then the same goes for history and it's all meaningless. I don't believe that at all
@henk4
3 ай бұрын
@@superkoopatrooper4879 This is why I use a combo of sailing and "reading the news" so to speak.
@briandeschene8424
3 ай бұрын
The funniest statement I ever heard was a C programming instructor in the late 90’s that URL’s in textbooks were ok because publishers were obligated to keep them up and available indefinitely! 😂 So I played devil’s advocate and asked: “Who would do what exactly to a publisher that ‘disobeyed’ this edict?” And the subject of conversation was changed.
@NilaSpeaksLoudly
2 ай бұрын
Hate people that just change it like that
@bryan89wr
3 ай бұрын
Matt Stone and Trey Parker own the digital rights to South Park as they had the foresight to predict online video streaming in 1997. Comedy Central just gave it to them as if it wasn't anything important.
@AnalyticalReckoner
2 ай бұрын
South park started on the internet.
@thezeddy
2 ай бұрын
Didnt south park start as a web cartoom where jesus and santa fought?
@bryan89wr
2 ай бұрын
@@thezeddy No. The original 1992 short was a college film, while the second short from 1995 was commissioned by a Fox executive who distributed a bunch of VHS copies of it as a video Christmas card. It would continue to be furthered copied as a bootleg, eventually garnering the attention of Comedy Central.
@renderedpixels4300
3 ай бұрын
Piracy/torrenting wins again. As long as theres seeders on the DHT network, itll be downloadable. Stuff will eventually be lost to time, but there will probably be archivists.
@stealthzi7465
3 ай бұрын
I have a 6tb drive with tons of retro games in there just incase
@B.D.F.
3 ай бұрын
Also, when content rights holders like Paramount make some content completely unavailable for streaming, renting, or purchasing, they’re essentially admitting “we don’t want to generate revenue from this”, at which point piracy is fair game.
@Enaiarr
3 ай бұрын
For legal reasons, no I don't But 240TB and growing.
@Lockdown335
3 ай бұрын
@@Enaiarr Your hoarding the whole Internets aren't you
@Enaiarr
3 ай бұрын
@@Lockdown335 That's the plan! But for legal reasons it isn't.
@jacksongatens2419
2 ай бұрын
We’re living in the “Red Dead Redemption” of the internet right now. The frontier came and went but the last cowboys and outlaws are still hanging on, soon to be in the dustbin of history.
@divvu1014
2 ай бұрын
Spoken like a true smoothbrained NPC.
@VVayVVard
2 ай бұрын
@@divvu1014 Yet you present no counterargument aside from an ad hominem. Your reply as such appears to represent a rather pristine example of psychological projection.
@LordVader1094
2 ай бұрын
@@divvu1014They're right though, it's very similar
@divvu1014
2 ай бұрын
@@LordVader1094 err... where did I say it isn't right? I'm making fun of the useful idiots that allowed this to happen and cheer for the encroaching fasc1sm, not contesting what he said.
@skeecats
2 ай бұрын
Its worse than that. Its being replaced by a soulless cooperate version. With endless subscriptions, scams viruses... Its feels like a post apocalyptic environment no longer the wild and free open plains to explore.
@HaloWolf102
3 ай бұрын
The Library of Alexandria will always be torn down in flames. Such is the curse of acquiring knowledge.
@TheChavez1976
2 ай бұрын
Yeah civilizations have been doing it to each other for thousands of years. Even to themselves, such as in this case.
@willkimball7677
2 ай бұрын
Fun fact the library of Alexandria was actually caught on fire by mistake it wasn’t on purpose
@HaloWolf102
2 ай бұрын
@@willkimball7677 All the more reason that it was fate never to be.
@gamesnstuff657
2 ай бұрын
Fun fact the Library of Alexandria was not the center of knowledge it once was when it was burned down. Many historians refute the claims that the burning of the library of Alexandria had any significant impact on the course of distributing and acquiring knowledge. By the time the building that housed the library caught fire it has been well over 100 years since the library was a haven for scholars and thinkers. The papyrus that had any important information had long since degraded or was copied and distributed to more places than just Alexandria. you can check out the Premodernist's video titled "The boring truth about the library of Alexandria if you want to learn more about it."
@JcoleMc
2 ай бұрын
@@gamesnstuff657 Doesnt matter burning knowledge is never ok and losing knowledge no matter the quantity is always a travesty .
@ebels3
3 ай бұрын
A lot of KZitemrs are removing content because of KZitems ever changing rules. It sucks because some of those videos are better than the current ones AND nostalgic.
@jer1776
3 ай бұрын
A lot have also changed their current content so their channel doesnt get his/demonetized too.
@antonco2
2 ай бұрын
Laws are never retroactive, but youtube rules are, for some reason
@Ryan_Wiseman
2 ай бұрын
I'm sick and tired of the internet getting purged of all of its content. We really need preventative safeguards, because the damage has already been done, and I hate it
@Piss_Off_Plz
2 ай бұрын
Preservation doesn't help capitalism. It hurts capitalism, which is why capitalists hate media preservation.
@Bristecom
2 ай бұрын
@@Piss_Off_Plz Also genuine historical information doesn't help tyrannical govs/corps either, so a free/uncensored internet is a double wammy for them. That's why a Rothschild said on film when replying to a journalist about how people are getting information they "shouldn't" have, replied, "The internet should have never been created or allowed."
@Furluge
3 ай бұрын
2:40 The Comedy Central one is huge. There were tons of clips of comedy acts that you couldn't legitimately get anyplace else there.
@0xTJ
3 ай бұрын
For everyone who doesn't already, go set up a donation to the Internet Archive. It's so important to support the efforts of web archival, as well as archiving all the other content they save. If it's a service you use, or you just care about this, toss them a few dollars.
@qwertyioup195
3 ай бұрын
On the subject of not being able to see old episodes of The Daily Show or The Colbert Report, I managed to find clips on KZitem playing old field pieces from like 2002 and man, the kinds of things you could make fun of 20 years ago was wild.
@cletusthefetus23
3 ай бұрын
"casual use of the hard r" "oh really?" "yeah!"
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd
3 ай бұрын
@@cletusthefetus23 classic.
@GhosPoison
3 ай бұрын
@@cletusthefetus23it’s crazy how lame things are getting
@mrbanana6464
3 ай бұрын
@@GhosPoison If your humor hasn't evolved past saying a word for shock value for over 10 years there's something wrong with you
@CGoody564
3 ай бұрын
@@mrbanana6464 you're right; now I say it specifically because it upsets you. See? My humor has evolved.
@thorscape3879
3 ай бұрын
The "Old Internet" has been gone for a very long time. What's being lost is history, not the idea of the Internet.
@Piss_Off_Plz
2 ай бұрын
2013 was the year the Internet died.
@Zadir09
2 ай бұрын
@@Piss_Off_Plzyes exactly. It’s weird how much I feel the same
@LordVader1094
2 ай бұрын
@@Piss_Off_PlzFor sure. Feels like the death of a lot of things at this point
@seanwieland9763
2 ай бұрын
@@Piss_Off_Plzthe Great Awokening ruined everything - a knock-on effect of the 2008 GFC.
@rupbhatt
3 ай бұрын
Piracy is the only moral option left now.
@termiterasin
3 ай бұрын
I was looking up modding older consoles and constantly ran into websites that were taken down, and had to use the web archive to read them.
@Bristecom
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, and Google doesn't' even let you view cached info anymore!
@MrGreenAKAguci00
3 ай бұрын
Fuck... I need a NAS, or better a server, or a server farm... we have to decentralize the archives. There is so much outstanding work published on the web that's just slowly deteriorating and eroding and vanishing. It's a travesty if we can't preserve it. I hope we can.
@midnightblue3285
3 ай бұрын
We will find a way to preserve and protect
@0Blueaura
2 ай бұрын
just think of how much art is pumped out everyday for everything. You will never see or archive all of that... there is just too much
@circleinforthecube5170
2 ай бұрын
@@0Blueaura still have archived around 10k youtube videos
@SBlazeable
2 ай бұрын
the internet archive was the largest decentralization archive, it wasn't even close. what you really need is an operation exactly like internet archive but in russia where copyright doesn't matter as much and organized volunteers with funding in the millions of dollars every month
@voidFutureVector
2 ай бұрын
I have 181 Tb of internet backups and its not enough. Data is ripped off the web faster than it can be preserved.
@Aether-Entropy
3 ай бұрын
Remember, always keep backups
@NeverlandSystemZor
2 ай бұрын
I HATE that the Internet Archive lost that suit. This is DEVASTATING to the sharing of information.
@GanDaLooG
3 ай бұрын
That's the problem with a profit driven society.....why does everything need to make money?
@SullenSecret
3 ай бұрын
The alternative doesn't need to be socialism, either. People should simply be nice. Why are corporations guaranteed to be greedy to the point of evil?
@MickMod
3 ай бұрын
Because the end goal of a capitalist society is to get as much money as possible, it has nothing to do with being "good" or caring about others. Especially not in the US. @@SullenSecret
@NotTheGaslighter
3 ай бұрын
@@SullenSecret because it was decided long ago (in Dodge v Ford specifically) that corporations are beholden to the need to please their shareholders and to increase yearly revenue forever. and good fucking luck fixing that mess, considering government corruption and the stripping of very important regulations! yippie!
@NotTheGaslighter
3 ай бұрын
@@SullenSecret companies cannot be nice, it was decided long ago (in Dodge v Ford I believe) that pleasing shareholders by endlessly increasing revenue is the only way a business can be run. and with government corruption at an all-time high, alongside the stripping of very important regulations and failure to enact anti-trust laws, good fucking luck fixing the mess we're in.
@nolegsmcgee483
3 ай бұрын
@@SullenSecret Probably because they are basically legally obligated to. Linus has made mention of the corporate feduciary responsibility before. Basically, if a company willingly makes a decision that would leave money on the table or not get the maximum profits possible, they open themselves up to severe lawsuits from their shareholders for not acting in the best interest of the shareholders.
@colinmartin9797
3 ай бұрын
I genuinely feel like a huge reason for content becoming so weirdly expensive and impermanent is just the abhorrent deluge of user content and now ai content just BLOATING storage and service systems with petabytes and petabytes of data that is little more than just E waste to store and serve to people in SEO, algorithm content farm bait. But i dont know anything about the way data is stored and served but just getting past that content is taking up more and more of my time, the energy and battery lifespan of my phone, etc. Content is becoming e-waste in a lot of ways.
@stitchfinger7678
3 ай бұрын
Then they could just not host content?
@YagamiKou
2 ай бұрын
ahh no, storage is dirt cheap edit: this is a pretty long explanation of why a great example is KZitem no matter how much video you upload KZitem is profitable approximately 30 to 1 simply due to avg storage for video being cheaper then the avg views of that video and videos are typically the biggest files every other file type is a dozen times smaller but storage keeps getting cheaper so its hugely profitable more profitable everyday AI actually doesnt change much its still just 1 creator using 1 AI to make 1 piece of content so it makes no functional difference for it to become an actual real problem every human would need to use like 10 AI's to make 10 videos each and upload them all in 1 day with zero ramp up, and zero warning (since with warning google would prepare) a virtually impossible feat and when even slightly approached google starts to manage its storage services more aggressively untill it just buys more storage to keep profit from the new content so it can never realistically be a problem unless google collapses or something even then, the internet is ultimately a network of normal computers so you would still have every other PC ever made hosting content and each individual human would just manages their own storage likely deleting everything they think is AI since most people don't like AI content storage bloating is not a thing you have to worry about and to be honest, most people in IT probably prefer it more data usually means more advanced analytics and that always gets IT going 😂
@NilaSpeaksLoudly
2 ай бұрын
Yeah. Social media is crap
@VVayVVard
2 ай бұрын
@@YagamiKou On the contrary, KZitem seems to be bleeding money. They've started cracking down on adblockers and low-value content (channels with "duplicate content", such as clippers, are getting demonetized) recently, indicating that storage space is no longer cost-effective for them, hence the need to cull or at least deprioritize content that doesn't make enough for revenue per MB.
@ManuFortis
3 ай бұрын
Back when Netflix was still just starting to become popular as a streaming service, there were those who had the foresight to look ahead and see what would happen with the cable companies and studios and such. They knew, that it was just a matter of time before the greed of the studios would turn streaming right back into a cable subscription. Here we are folks. They've basically been proven right, entirely. And thing is, there isn't really anyone to blame on this except for once again the studios and companies that used to exist on cable/satellite only. It's high time that they be reminded who's in charge, and it's not them. Fact is, if no one watches their content, they go under. They fail. They go bankrupt, etc. And no, I don't mean arrr everyone kind of not watch their content. I mean, not even the pirates take the content in the first place to be watched. Viewership numbers so low, they are forced to cut costs and slowly sink their own ship. But what about our entertainment in the meantime? Well, there is still a plethora of actually good content that still exists to be consumed at our preference over on certain arrr type websites. But seeing as how most of the content released lately is absolute dog water filled with 💩, it's not like anyone is missing much. And, if there is something worth watching, actually; then those are the few times we maybe actually grace them with our viewership and wallets being opened. By doing so in such a way, it forces them to acknowledge that only certain content is getting them any customers at all, aside from all the other content that has them hemorrhaging money. And as a side note: Steam is likely going to become a problem in the future too, or one of the many platforms similar to it. We would be wise to start backing up data en mass, with methods figured out to make it so all the games can be played regardless of steam's interaction with the computer. Offline mode exists of course still, so that can probably be leveraged somehow. Not to be used right away, so as to not cause an waves to be formed on that front; but always just off to the side in secret, waiting for that moment when greed strikes; and we can retaliate.
@SapphireThunder
3 ай бұрын
Regarding Steam: I fear the day when Gabe Newell is gone completely from Valve. Because that's when what you said, will very likely happen.
@midnightblue3285
3 ай бұрын
@@SapphireThunder what about his son ?
@ManuFortis
3 ай бұрын
@@SapphireThunder Yeah... I've been slowly building up what I need to be able to avoid that end scenario to some extent on my side of things... Regardless of which ever ninny decides to make some new law, or try to uphold some other law in regards to game ownership legality... I'm keeping my games, and playing them too, whether ANYONE likes it or not; and they can kiss my 4$$ if they think they are going to do anything about it. I'll reinforce their place below my boot so damn fast it will make their head spin. P.S. Valve/Steam, highly doubt it, but if you're somehow reading this; let me make this perfectly clear. I own my games, regardless of your ToS. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it legally or otherwise. Not only do I not use the same username on purpose to avoid tracking measures that folk will use; your system literally can't even find me as a user. SO there is literally nothing you can do with my account, so long as I don't compromise it specifically. I own my games. Deal with it.
@tra-viskaiser8737
3 ай бұрын
Its the reason I have piratical intent anytime I run up against blatant corporate greed. You want to control what info/knowledge I have access to? Then I'm gonna keep everything I have a chance to... and make sure the backups can't be touched by an alphabet style mafia that wants domination and submission.
@HelenaOfDetroit
3 ай бұрын
It's a problem that's bigger than steam. As an example, Xbox Live had a login issue recently which prevented people from playing Minecraft. Like, they couldn't even load up a single player world without using some third party launcher or workaround. When it's unnecessary at all to connect to the Internet, and when a company still forces the purchaser of the product to connect to the Internet, then we end up with a serious issue. Either we were never allowed to purchase the game in the first place (which constitutes fraud at worst and false advertising at best), or we were allowed to purchase the game but now cannot use it without undue restrictions (which would be fraud on the scale of SBF/rug pulling/crypto scams). We need to remove politicians that are bought and paid for by massive corporations and remove any financial incentive for being a politician. Until then, no just laws will remain to protect consumers from this crony capitalistic hell scape that has become our reality.
@theJellyjoker
3 ай бұрын
All these moment will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
@--zero
3 ай бұрын
The cable shopping website reminds me of how we used to be able to run Windows and a web browser and other programs, all with 256MB of RAM, and aside from possibly having a poor internet speed you could load and display web pages pretty fast. Now chrome by itself takes more RAM than one of those old computers, and website speed varies a lot depending on the JavaScript code running in it. It's probably pretty even in speed usually, but it kind of feels bad making a lot of progress on the hardware side just to have that progress consumed by what feels like more and more bloated software.
@miaugato93
2 ай бұрын
To a point yes, but circa 2003-2010 flash websites were THE bloat. They were friggin beautiful too tho. But you also had the old style websites. It's something that is rare today, in this world of Material Design and Bootstrap, apart from some retro content websites that choose to have that aesthetic.
@Ben_306
3 ай бұрын
I feel like one of the major efforts of the coming years should be the collection and publication of repair documents in a single open archive. It could tie in nicely with the right to repair movement. I have personally been able to save a machine for which no replacement is manufactured, because someone was still paying hosting for the defunct company website with pdf service manuals.
@RyanKarolak
3 ай бұрын
That's funny you brought up the PC Cables site as I happened upon that site earlier today for completely unrelated reasons and my first thought was how dated the design was.
@asciicatface
3 ай бұрын
but it's fast, simple, and tells you all the information you need to know right up front, without any extra crap. and that's what makes it (and what made a lot of the old internet) good.
@RyanKarolak
3 ай бұрын
@@asciicatface I agree. I didn't mean it as a criticism. I often miss the internet from the 2000s and 90s.
@elliottbott7213
3 ай бұрын
this website is so smooth because it pre-dates website engineers deciding that they should just use "libraries" for the most basic of things. its crazy how many packages are used in modern websites these days with stupidly deep dependency structures.
@ThePC007
3 ай бұрын
It doesn't even improve productivity. You'll just end up spending more time fighting npm because some updates introduced breaking changes and now you need to fix stuff or else newer libraries won't be compatible with your project.
@Kashim_o
3 ай бұрын
@@ThePC007lmfao tfw you have to compile a mfing website 💀
@richard-davies
3 ай бұрын
Something really needs to change with being able to access old content because so much stuff will be lost forever over the next few decades.
@midnightblue3285
3 ай бұрын
Thats why we need to save as much as data
@willkimball7677
2 ай бұрын
The Library of Congress should work with the Internet archive and see if we could have public “libraries“
@allenrichardson9084
3 ай бұрын
This is why I'm downloading ever old movie and tv/cartoon/anime to keep forever on my hard drives. Also might need to get more roms for my older games.
@Mike80528
3 ай бұрын
With South Park streaming, that is simple. They simply determined what Brian Boitano would do and had it put in their contract.
@ego-lay_atman-bay
3 ай бұрын
Even though I am print disabled, meaning I can access books on the internet archive through their pribt disability program, and the internet archive purge doesn't really affect me (the purge doesn't remove books for print disabled people), I really don't like this situation. I think books should be free for everyone, not just disabled people.
@Bracket_Man
3 ай бұрын
What does it mean to be print disabled?
@ego-lay_atman-bay
3 ай бұрын
@@Bracket_Man legally blind or dyslexic. And to be honest, getting accepted was super easy. At least when I did it, it was just a google form and I just said what my visual impairment was (and you could probably just lie and still get in).
@tcbobb1613
3 ай бұрын
Now the Supreme Court has changed the interpretation laws, So it might help the Internet archive since the ruling allows every single interpretation laws up for debate.
@JAK_EDITS.
3 ай бұрын
Backup, backup, BACKUP. Everyone needs to start buying massive long term drives so we can preserve the good things before it gets riddled with fucking AI dogshit garbage
@PsRohrbaugh
3 ай бұрын
It's hard across decades. I have files going back to the 90s, and between format changes, data loss and corruption, and simply keeping it all organized - a lot gets lost.
@VVayVVard
2 ай бұрын
@@PsRohrbaugh Especially since the two most robust forms of storage----magnetic tape and optical disks---are rather expensive. The former in terms of drive cost, and the latter in terms of cost per capacity. I personally try to use optical disks for all of the most important stuff (stored in a fire-resistant safe alongside the drive I use for writing/reading them) since the long-lived ones are supposed to last 100+ years under optimal conditions, but there's only so much I can fit in 25 GB BD disks in jewel box cases (never mind a 700 MB gold CD) before physical space becomes the limiting factor. Tape has enormous capacity, but apparently is shorter-lived, and the drives cost several thousand USD each, which is unfortunately well beyond my current budget.
@stevenrichman7101
3 ай бұрын
The PC cables website is awesome! Just what you need straight to the point without all the nonsense. I avoid all online shops that insist on creating an account lately. You don't have PayPal express checkout? Then you don't need me as a customer.
@germanikolaas
3 ай бұрын
Back up anything and everything that holds value to you.
@teatowel11
2 ай бұрын
The memory hole is becoming reality.
@Maadhawk
3 ай бұрын
Photo Bucket destroyed my images I had in my archive there ages ago. It was all personal photos too. So I redownloaded what was left in reasonable quality, deleted the rest, and closed my account.
@kobuseksteen411
3 ай бұрын
Gyargh, it be time to sail the seven seas again!
@jothain
3 ай бұрын
😂
@chrisso1029
3 ай бұрын
It’s weird that I’ve gone back to it. I do subscribe to several visual and audio streaming platforms and my satisfaction has been slowly but steadily decreasing for all the common reasons to the point that I have indeed set sail once again after all these years. Ironically I pretty much look like an old salty sea dog now so maybe it was inevitable.
@mmseng2
3 ай бұрын
I made a project report page for a high school class on angelfire in the early 2000s, and for some reason it's still up in all of its cringy glory. I haven't had access to the angelfire account/email for like 2 decades and I'm pretty sure the account itself doesn't even exist in angelfire's database anymore. But every time I think about it I go check and it just won't die. All of the images still work and everything. It even had the classic page view counter, which is still functioning as intended, and reads 198.
@timbo303official9
2 ай бұрын
Did you save the webpage and its contents?
@mmseng2
2 ай бұрын
@@timbo303official9 Apparently I don't need to because this webpage is immortal.
@CharlesAnjos
3 ай бұрын
less "decentralise archives" and more "destroy corporations", people.
@raze3297
3 ай бұрын
Sure, I'll get right on that.
@roymarshall_
2 ай бұрын
Cringe
@leedogification
2 ай бұрын
This is basically the digital version of book burning.
@agelesseon
3 ай бұрын
I miss the original Hamsterdance site
@inachu
3 ай бұрын
I could see one day a secret internet where you enter it turns out to be the internet of the 1990's
@barbecueman6352
2 ай бұрын
Wow we were so wrong, TV didn’t change to fit the internet model, the internet changed to fit the TV model 😢
@Luzgar
3 ай бұрын
There is a legal requirement to send a copy of everything that is published on paper to an archive, and there is an archive of everything that was ever aired on TV (in France at least). We need something similar written in law for the internet.
@khjr14
2 ай бұрын
Yep and it needs to not be limited to commercial subjects. We have the capacity to backup everything online, many times over. This would be of immensely more benefit than what a lot of tax dollars are spent on.
@jaymatthews9324
2 ай бұрын
That PC cables site looked heavenly
@maccook1692
3 ай бұрын
That shop page is also like ROCK AUTO for car parts. Fantastic shopping experience, and so many parts! Not having to scroll through pages and pages of things looking under one heading. Fantastic!
@BkSMedia
3 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@timbo303official9
2 ай бұрын
Rock auto is a legend
@TurtleSauceGaming
3 ай бұрын
I reuploaded a 2015 video and 12 hours and 13 views in I got a takedown directly from the original creator. Not a big name, but mind you this video wasn't on KZitem. But it was something I liked going back to and others did too. It's on IA at least, but videos on IA are slow to play. So I thought to re-upload it. It sucks. I went through emailing this guy but he was genuinely offended some tiny KZitem channel wanted to preserve his old shit. I mentioned I can only hope he saw it as an opportunity to realize there's some market for this content and that he should consider reuploading it. I hate seeing shit get removed from the internet
@stitchfinger7678
3 ай бұрын
The creator has all the right in the world to want something gone. Its theirs. It doesn't matter how much you liked it or how meaningful it was or whatever. Its theirs. A rapper I used to follow lost his teaching license cuz his employers found his old videos even though he nuked his acct (it wasn't anything obscene, just not fit for a teacher in his area apparently). Its not up to you whether someone else's content stays on the internet.
@ClockwickProductions
3 ай бұрын
@@stitchfinger7678 the problem with that is you put it on the internet to begin with, its everybodys right to save and keep it themselves and if they reupload it then that's just the consequence of you putting it out to begin with. if we just destroy old stuff like that going purely off the wishes of the creator who knew full well what they were doing, then archiving detrimental things will just die out, reuploads and archival mirrors of old content is the saving grace of anyone interested in history.
@PsRohrbaugh
3 ай бұрын
@@stitchfinger7678once you publish something, it belongs to the world. If I buy a book, the writer can't revise it or take it back.
@cheeeeezewizzz
3 ай бұрын
@@stitchfinger7678That may be the law, but the law is wrong.
@TurtleSauceGaming
3 ай бұрын
@@stitchfinger7678 Yeah well that's life. It's why you have some level of consideration before you just do shit under your own face and name. It's why I don't want to be a public youtuber. And if I really wanted to, there's not a damn thing he could do to stop me from making 100 fucking accounts and reuploading it 100 times. The internet, despite what some may wish, and despite all these attempts, will be permanent. There's a reason why we were all told to think before we post in school. It doesn't make it go away, it just makes it harder to find.
@Keatoil
2 ай бұрын
More big companies f___ng over the regular person yet again
@owenruff4796
3 ай бұрын
Rock auto is pretty similar format to the cable website you showed. My favorite retailer for most of my car parts since it’s easy to find products/compare them to eachother. Plus the prices are great
@CGoody564
3 ай бұрын
Tons of angelfire and geocities sites lost to time as well
@TheMatthewDMerrill
3 ай бұрын
Why was this now a decision by the people? It's always a single judge. This should have been by a group of people who were called for jury duty
@lairizzle
2 ай бұрын
So these 80 year old dinosaur judges are the ones making important decisions about technology. Lol
@LanceNotHiding
3 ай бұрын
"Husky Starcraft" a few years back just pulling all the starcraft casts and years of professional play gone.
@greater_ape
2 ай бұрын
Yeah that was heartbreaking
@edd8914
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, just… why???
@TNTspaz
3 ай бұрын
A lot of archives are being nearly completely destroyed by corporations. And everything else is borderline unusable due to payment processors having way too much power. Image hosting sites being the most affected So many old forum sites are completely deleted as well
@DEVUNK88
2 ай бұрын
The reality is contrary to popular opinion, " the internet is not forever"
@Lockdown335
3 ай бұрын
I just used time machine to get old manuals from a company that doesn't exist now so i could get one of their products running again lol WE NEED THESE DAWG WDYM
@miaugato93
2 ай бұрын
Companies would rather have you buy a new one
@hunterdibenedetto6831
3 ай бұрын
I cant remember the exact url, but all of southpark baring episode 200 and 201 were on a website called southpark studio, with no adds or payment.
@SteveBerube
2 ай бұрын
just so happy to have my own archive...
@spoonman217
2 ай бұрын
How can I start?
@Nucksen
2 ай бұрын
@@spoonman217 Look into Raids, NAS drives and MDiscs for smaller amounts of data and LTO Tape drives for larger amounts
@lshxggyl
3 ай бұрын
We all collectively need to sail the seven seas before it’s too late.
@SyntheticFuture
3 ай бұрын
The death of an era. Making history disappear and making access to information harder is a classic way to dumb down the crowds.
@Tox1cAshes
2 ай бұрын
Have any of you even seen the lawsuit or know what the archive did? They made unauthorized copies of the books and distributed them even when they didn't have a real world example as a copy. It was straight up copyright infringement and any regular library would also be prosecuted. I'm amazed they tried it and thought they could win.
@InvisibleSquids
2 ай бұрын
Ive noticed this when trying to find solutions for various issues. Some results during searching will be linked to forums that are broken, locked, or have additional content that is even more decayed.
@Ajv516
3 ай бұрын
I’ve wanted access to the entire library of previously-aired Daily Show episodes (specifically 2001-2008). There’s a lot of summarized historical/cultural notes in there that warrant revisiting (specifically involving the GWOT). A lot of Gen Z and Alpha are going to lose some context into how the Bush administration BS’ed their way into Iraq.
@SplendidNinja
3 ай бұрын
We're in the end game now.
@brymstoner
2 ай бұрын
there's a lot of web 1 sites that modern browsers simply won't load because they run no certs.
@Aquaneos1193
2 ай бұрын
That's why I'm doing my due diligence as a citizen and archiving/seeding what I can lol
@JazerMedia
3 ай бұрын
Wiping archives of these old pages is akin to the burning of the Library of Alexandria.
@housevisand
2 ай бұрын
I used to watch South Park on the CC Website all the time. Back in the late naughts | early teens.
@313comput
2 ай бұрын
Publishers want Libraries to pay for those digital licenses
@therecalcitrantseditionist3613
2 ай бұрын
Main take away? Create your own libraries of physical and digital media of things you really want to save. As long as you keep it, it wont ever truly be gone.
@TheItalianoAssassino
Ай бұрын
My favourite forums from the early 2000s are mostly gone already. Sad.
@logancontracier7125
3 ай бұрын
The high seas be calling
@wilavg
3 ай бұрын
I will never respect the "property" of any corporation over anything that is infinitely reproduceable. Intellectual "property" laws are one of the worst things governments arbitrarily uphold to protect the interests of the most powerful institutions, one clear example is the patent over the production process of insulin, which makes it very expensive in the US, and people nevertheless still buy into the rhetoric that it stirs innovation as if new things were never made until those existed.
@stitchfinger7678
3 ай бұрын
So I'm with you, but the insulin we use today is literally not the same thing he released for free Any analogue that has a patent is different enough to the patent office that its a different drug.
@colinmartin9797
3 ай бұрын
I wonder if one of their artists made that thumbnail by hand specifically to look Ai
@casey6259
2 ай бұрын
we live in a dystopia
@marcusfleuti2672
3 ай бұрын
Archive should be on a global decentralized blockchain.
@TheNostalgicFuture
2 ай бұрын
not Linus casually dailying a Note 9
@sanekibeko
3 ай бұрын
Bro what's with the thumbnail? Burn it!
@saab9251
2 ай бұрын
Automotive forums and repair DIY threads have been destroyed by photo bucket and Facebook groups. Information is lost so quickly and not searchable on facebook
@HighTemper79
3 ай бұрын
That is the nature of those greedy companies, the best is to terrent everything you like and save it for later...
@RustandRedemption
2 ай бұрын
What a sad time to be alive. The scavengers of capital are tearing up the internet
@Real-Name..Maqavoy
3 ай бұрын
Wonder what *Aaron Swartz* would think if he Saw this.. 'The Library Archive'
@kensurrency2564
2 ай бұрын
I will say: it is unimaginable how much data is being created. Where is all of this data stored? How many data server farms are required to manage the exponential growth of information? It’s sad but I am not surprised.
@atlastobin7837
2 ай бұрын
OH, so this is how civilization ends...
@stevemaricar4350
3 ай бұрын
This shows how fleeting digital content can be and it's truly disheartening to lose such valuable resources. Hoping for a positive outcome from the appeal, to preserve the spirit of internet as a shared repository of knowledge.
@hananas2
2 ай бұрын
On a positive note, all the episodes of mythbusters are being released on KZitem!
@Nomenius1
2 ай бұрын
Literally all of this could be solved entirely by eliminating copyrights, literally just copyrights, not patents, not trademarks. Just copyrights. Once again government creates a suboptimal situation in the name of creating a better situation.
@MrDummyisDumb
2 ай бұрын
I dont think I've ever read anything so dumb or entitled, congratulations
@the_expidition427
2 ай бұрын
@@MrDummyisDumb The person has a point the copyright system needs adjustments not leave a power vaccum except it does need redoing
@MrDummyisDumb
2 ай бұрын
@@the_expidition427 Yes it needs adjustments, not elimination. Copywrites are extremely necessary, especially on this platform. Eliminating would kill all creativity. What's the point in doing what LTT does when they don't own any of the work that they produce. Any designs and logos, their videos, the games the play....it's lost it's monetization
@SullenSecret
3 ай бұрын
Corruption like this is why I'm interested in moving to another country. I want out of here. I'm not trusting my future to this government.
@varelse01
2 ай бұрын
The concept of ownership really sucks sometimes.
@jmoney211
3 ай бұрын
I wonder if that judge even understands how e-books work.
@NaughtyKlaus
Ай бұрын
All of my photobucket images still remain hosted on their site, and I don't pay for it, and never have. I think what they really did is restricted public viewing.
@jospra
2 ай бұрын
This is called book burning
@AnalyticalReckoner
2 ай бұрын
This is information superhighway robbery
@TheLifeOfJavi
3 ай бұрын
Don't know if they're in Canada, but Rock Auto is also a super simple web design. It's easy enough to navigate though, and if that's what helps me get car parts at lower costs I'm all for it.
@garryalfonso1609
18 күн бұрын
This is not the battle against humanities greatest secrets. I treat the internet archive as the Library of Alexandria.
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