As a French person, I was shocked by what the Disney studio made of the story of the hunchback of Notre-Dame. They could have created an unrelated story rather than abuse a French classic novel by Victor Hugo (Notre Dame de Paris is its original title) in such a ridiculous fashion. I have since boycotted anything from the Disney studio, but your comments about how they mistreat traditional tales resonate with me (what about the Little Mermaid of Hans C Andersen! Beauty and the Beast of Barbot de Villeneuve etc). They have a recipe for commercial success and plagiarise any well known and liked stories to fill their purse, unable to produce something original.
@shanegooding4839
8 ай бұрын
In Greek mythology Chione ('Snow') is so fair Hermes puts her to sleep to lie with her and that same night Apollo disguises himself as an old woman for the same purpose. As a result she gives birth to twins: one who grows up to be a notorious thief like Hermes while the other becomes a handsome musician like Apollo. Later Chione boasts that she is fairer than Artemis and is slain by the jealous goddess for her pride.
@patriciajrs46
8 ай бұрын
Interesting.
@honeybunch5765
8 ай бұрын
Wow, what a story. It's basically the Snow White story. Only in the mythology she is assaulted.
@kevint1910
8 ай бұрын
@@honeybunch5765 The snow white story has been heavily sanitized of its pagan roots as one would expect given the time when it was first being told. It is derived from the Indo European founding myth/tradition. Every city /civilization had its founder and all of them have the back story of having been born from a princess rescued or otherwise accosted by a besotted god/"prince charming".
@clioflano421
8 ай бұрын
I'd love to learn more about this kind of stuff Armetis etc etc do you have any ideas ??? Where is their any uploads?
@wandabissell
8 ай бұрын
@@clioflano421 I really enjoyed listening to Stephen Fry read his books Mythos, Heroes and Troy. He really gives life to the Greek myths.
@MindStrider34
8 ай бұрын
Also, theres the story of Demeter looking for her daughter who is stuck in the underworld being held by Hades.
@Bern_il_Cinq
8 ай бұрын
Thats what the Spring/Underworld story reminded me of too.
@varjovirta3085
8 ай бұрын
tf Snow white story has anything to do some Greek myth?
@MindStrider34
8 ай бұрын
@@varjovirta3085 Near the end of the video he gave a number of stories related to Spring/Underworld, and the Princess being imprisoned by the inhabitants of the underworld. Dwaves are said to live in the underworld as this video explained. This reminded me of the Hades/Persephone story.
@lisetteolsson2441
8 ай бұрын
Suddenly it make sence that Pluto is a dvarfplanet
@imeddo1708
7 ай бұрын
Yes definitely a connection between seasonal Snow White & Greek Persephone daughter of Demeter. But Persephone was an Orion constellation reference & Demeter the mother a Milky Way reference. Whereas evil queen/witch mother with magic mirror in Snow White story is an Orion constellation reference whereas sleeping Snow White in glass coffin is the Milky Way reference.
@shymaid5680
8 ай бұрын
Looking into the origins of Eurpoean folktales and fairytales is so interesting! And the interconnectedness is immense, so it can be difficult to find one single origin myth or story. The splinter in the finger in the Scottish tale is also found in an early version of 'Sleeping Beauty' called 'Sun, Moon and Talia'. Talia gets part of some flax lodged under her nail, which puts her to sleep until it's removed. That one is really dark compared to the modern version, including Disney's version, as she gives birth during her sleep. Symbolically it's really interesting, though! Thank you for an interesting video! ❤
@MrChristianDT
8 ай бұрын
Yeah, it struck me that the first version of the Sigurd story he brought up sounded closer to Sleeping Beauty than Snow White. It kind of makes me think these were different versions of the exact same story that got mistaken as different stories entirely, because of the extreme differences in the level of detail.
@fion1flatout
8 ай бұрын
@@MrChristianDTsounds like 'kill bill' 😅 nothing new under the sun eh
@nct948
7 ай бұрын
@@fion1flatout I think it's "kill bill" that sounds like it, no creativity
@katula14
7 ай бұрын
The meaning of name Thalia is in Greek : blossom, in Aramaic Talya : youth, and etymologically from Hebrew : dew of Jah ( Jehovah, the Almighty ).
@RalphEllis
7 ай бұрын
In reality, Snow White was a story about the movements of the heavens - the central topic of most ancient faiths. Snow White is the Snow White Moon, who is followed in a line along the ecliptic by the seven dwarf planets. Show White Moon was given a corset to make her thinner (the Waning Moon), until she appears to die (the New Moon), but then she is kissed by the Sun-prince (a Syzygy-Eclipse), so she wakes up and gets fatter (Waxing Moon), as if pregnant (Full Moon). Note that the Moon does indeed get thinner and then ‘die’ as it approaches the Sun during a solar eclipse. The Moon is dark and dead, as it slips in front of the Sun in a cosmic embrace - a cosmic kiss. R
@crimesagainsthumanity2059
8 ай бұрын
Snow White and the Huntsman is an underrated film adaptation
@Bern_il_Cinq
8 ай бұрын
Charlize Theron a baddie
@freyatilly
8 ай бұрын
I liked it. It had a great premise. I was also an extra on set.
@crimesagainsthumanity2059
8 ай бұрын
@@freyatilly Fr? That's really cool.
@lavish_1717
8 ай бұрын
I like that one too
@hotbreakers94569
8 ай бұрын
Currently on SciFi channel 😅
@gracie5169
8 ай бұрын
I don't know how this channel found me, but I'm so glad ☺️
@BigSwift9
8 ай бұрын
I’m writing a screenplay for Snow White, and I can’t get into the plot too much, but I hope if this gets picked up (even if it has to be an indie-funded venture), those of you who follow this channel will be able to realize some of the cues. I’ve always felt there was some deeper, proto-Germanic and PIE echoes, and I hope my plot and premise does it justice. Fingers crossed I can get it across the finish line.
@BodyTrust
8 ай бұрын
What is your logline?
@catherinemerrill5511
7 ай бұрын
Looking forward to it!
@gary6754
7 ай бұрын
make you have snow white has a black trans
@BackupChannel-nq6fg
25 күн бұрын
I’m rooting for you! Hope you include the bodice and comb parts too!
@brightphoebesays
8 ай бұрын
Great video. Honouring and respecting our European cultural heritage is important. Thanks for this.
@TheGrimoireMovement
8 ай бұрын
@@nekiyia what?
@user-ge8yn4ql4i
8 ай бұрын
As a European I quite disagree.
@_Erendis
8 ай бұрын
@brightphoebus I couldn't agree more! This channel never disappoints.
@brightphoebesays
8 ай бұрын
@@user-ge8yn4ql4i Why?
@TheGrimoireMovement
8 ай бұрын
Why do you hate yourself and your ancestors?@@user-ge8yn4ql4i
@yensid4294
8 ай бұрын
The Gold Tree/Silver Tree version sounds more like Sleeping Beauty to me. A pricked finger, a death like sleep, etc. But I guess Snow White & Sleeping Beauty are so similar that they most likely share origins. I had always assumed the evil stepmother trope in Fairy Tales had to do with all the grief & family strife caused by primogeniture. Since women often died in childbirth, it wasn't unusual for men to marry more than once especially if they were wealthy.
@hughdncy
7 ай бұрын
I love this story❤ It's a mix of Snow White where the stepmother is jealous, and Sleeping Beauty where the Princess sleeps for years and wakes up
@dalestevenson8947
8 ай бұрын
Fortress of Lugh. This is a very good video. Thank you for making it.❤ You should make a video about the origins of Little Red Riding Hood, it would be a great follow-up. I personally would love to see it. I love Germanic religion/mythology, folklore and fairy-tales you should make a series on Grimm's fairy-tales.
@troygaspard6732
8 ай бұрын
The ending of the tale, with Snow White's mother's punishment, reminds one of The Red Shoes story.
@majidbineshgar7156
8 ай бұрын
One can also interpret Snow White story through Gnostic Philosophy i.e. Snow White symbolises the immortal innocent Soul ( "Die Seele " in German which is a feminine word ) , the evil Step Mother represents soulless matter ( "Die Materie" a feminine word ) , the seven Dwarves represent crude natural elements .
@pacochawa2746
8 ай бұрын
I wont give a like because u have 7 likes right now lol.
@EresirThe1st
8 ай бұрын
Gnosticism is alien to native ways. Our traditions are world and life-affirming, not dualist.
@majidbineshgar7156
8 ай бұрын
@@EresirThe1st C.G Jung in his books (If I recall well " Anima -Animus , Archetypes" ..) discussed concerning this very matter .
@willempasterkamp862
8 ай бұрын
seven dwarfs = seven sleepers, claudians, nicolaitans, Snow-white = Pompeia Paulina, Steph-mother = Agrippina minor, Grumpy = germanicus, Bashfull = L A Seneca, dipsy = dipper/baptist, sneezy & sleepy = twin ; Junias & Andronicus. Pied piper = Germanicus, missed children of Hamelin compares to childmurder of bethlehem = germanicus martyred twin-sons and heirs what overlaps with the 3 little piglets and big bad wolf = Seneca/ Simon the tanner = the old hunter.
@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244
8 ай бұрын
Ultimately, anything can be rationalized into anything. Christianity conquered and destroyed traditional Europe this way, with the addition of actual persecution and occasional mass murder campaigns.
@Neenerella333
8 ай бұрын
I liked the Neil Gaiman short story take on Snow White as a vampire, with the stepmother as the hero. In it, Snow has killed her mother, and ultimately her father. But only the stepmother knew what Snow really was. Would definitely make sense with the ultra white skin and blood red lips, the deathlike sleep, etc.
@eric2500
8 ай бұрын
Mr. Gaiman always delivers the creepy!
@TheMountainBeyondTheWoods
8 ай бұрын
I like gaiman but that has nothing to do with Snow White and it's not Snow White, that's just another attempt to destroy traditional folk tales which have already suffered a lot in our modern world.
@TheMountainBeyondTheWoods
7 ай бұрын
I hate these modern takes on classic folk tales. The subversion is not smart, it's lazy.
@Jumpoable
7 ай бұрын
@@TheMountainBeyondTheWoods No, it's bloody smart. Snow white skin, blood red lips --- classic vamp.
@TheMountainBeyondTheWoods
7 ай бұрын
@@Jumpoable I disagree, I don't think it's smart, I think it's lazy and extremely overdone.
@johndavis6119
8 ай бұрын
Anything said against the new Snow White has been deemed racist so I will tread lightly here. I would much like to see Disney make a version of the tale based entirely on the Grimm’s writings, incorporating the Nordic/Germanic myths you discussed. The original movie played fast and loose with these elements. Stories based on the myths of one culture should stand on their own as just that. Stories from one culture.
@ATLmodK
8 ай бұрын
Disney would absolutely not do this.
@crow_feather
8 ай бұрын
@johndavis6119 As a woman of both Latina and Germanic descent, I could not agree with you more! ❤️
@johndavis6119
8 ай бұрын
@@ATLmodK I know. They have their own myths to perpetuate. I’m surprised the original did not have a large big eared mouse in it. I’m also surprised he did not appear in the Star Wars (Disney Wars to separate them from the real films) programming either.
@pacochawa2746
8 ай бұрын
The truth should never apoligise. Im not white but non white people Inhave seen with my own eyes are way more racist than any nazi revivalists I know...
@HyButchan
8 ай бұрын
Remember, the Grimm brothers themselves changed the stories to be more palatable to audiences of their day e.g. little red riding hood was eaten by the wolf and not saved, the being saved part was added by the Grimms. But of course Disney shouldn't change things to suit our audiences today. The Grimm fairytales have barely changed since they published them in 1812 because they were written down for the first time. Stories always change naturally over time.
@subtle0savage
8 ай бұрын
Excellent work, thanks for putting this together.
@ronnronn55
8 ай бұрын
The breadth of your research is impressive. Thanks, Ronn
@lyarrastark6254
8 ай бұрын
Thank you for another fascinating video. Happy New Year!
@neurotraveller
8 ай бұрын
Snow white is the moon. The sun the prince. The seven dwarves the seven planets.
@ameliadiaz8040
8 ай бұрын
And the evil queen's the black hole!
@willempasterkamp862
8 ай бұрын
only 5 ancient planets but add the 2 witnesses (twin) Heavens & Earth. Snow white = andromeida (the flock, church), Prince = Perseus (christ). Wicked queen = Cassiopeia (Sappharia), Old hunter = Cepheus (Ananias)
@imeddo1708
7 ай бұрын
Snow White is the Milky Way, the prince as the green man is an Orion constellation reference as is most everything else in the story including the evil queen the woodsman and the seven dwarves. I think the number seven for the dwarves comes from viewing Orion constellation as 7 stars (2 hand, 2 feet, 3 on belt).
@willempasterkamp862
7 ай бұрын
@@imeddo1708 indirectly it is connected with celestial images but the claudians are directly in the bible ( the 5 loaves and the 2 fishes ). The 7 sleepers in the quran ( people of Ad = height ; the nazoreans ). Grumpy = Paul = Germanicus = Imran ( the prosperous ) Bashful = Peter = LA Seneca = Harun ( the mountain or rock ) Sleepy & Sneezy = twin = Drusus JC & Nero JC ( pauls 2 relatives ) Dipsy = John the dipper or the baptizer ( the youngster ) The watchdog of the sleepers ; al Raqeem or Qitmeer = bashfull Nazoreans, Nazerites from Mazzaroth = Zodiac Twin = Gemini but also Pisces (the fishes), the 2 bears and 2 dogs (ursus, canis) Paul as a constellation = Ophiuchus (the traveller and snake-handler).
@jeanvaljean7266
6 ай бұрын
No, in German (like in Old English and contrary to Latin languages) the sun is female and the moon is male
@bigbadseed7665
8 ай бұрын
The theme of an earth goddess with a beautiful daughter who goes or is taken into the underworld sounds a bit like Demeter and Persephone, doesn't it?
@garygreen7552
7 ай бұрын
This is my first contact with your videos, and I am quite impressed. I enjoyed the depth of your presentation. One element that makes it almost impossible to create a complete line is that all of these stories come out of oral traditions. Each telling of the story injects new details. What we see today is a spot on the trail of the myth. The brothers Grimm were among the first to capture the stories in written and printed state. I appreciate your presentation of trans European elements in this story. Thank you.
@deewesthill1213
8 ай бұрын
Snow White was one of my favorite fairytales as a child, and yet oddly i had little curiosity about its origins (and to this day I've still never watched the Disney movie!). Your entrancing video contains such rich food for thought I'll have to rewatch it and stop every minute to take notes! 😍
@godskingssages4724
8 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for the black panther remake with Matt Damon
@xp8969
8 ай бұрын
Somebody call the waaaambulance for this guy
@karamlevi
8 ай бұрын
😂
@BaltimoresBerzerker
8 ай бұрын
@@xp8969surely you meant to say "call the bambalance" 😂
@feonjun
7 ай бұрын
There are countless movies and TV shows of Snow White with White or White passing actresses. Do you think one or two version of someone who is mixed is going to destroy the original story's origin? I don't know about you, but I still think Ghangis Khan don't like like John Wayne or Buddha looking like Keanue Reeve.
@xp8969
7 ай бұрын
😂@@BaltimoresBerzerker nope, that makes zero sense, read my comment again and use your brain this time and hopefully you'll be able to figure it out
@concettaworkman5895
8 ай бұрын
I loved the beautiful art, and your final summation of Snow White. Thank you for the video.
@chrismahfouz7709
8 ай бұрын
Fascinating! Thank you! I enjoyed this so much!
@electricelf-music
8 ай бұрын
Very interesting and thought provoking
@J3nniff3rWinterwolf
8 ай бұрын
Maria Sophia von Erthal, who is widely believed to be the inspiration for Snow White in the Grimm Brothers fairytale.
@lowlandnobleman6746
8 ай бұрын
Hey, I was just looking for something to watch. Good timing on the upload!
@FortressofLugh
8 ай бұрын
Salute to you, my friend. Have a great New Years
@lowlandnobleman6746
8 ай бұрын
You too! Happy New Years Eve from Dixieland!
@TheCimmerian6
8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@FortressofLugh
8 ай бұрын
Thanks and happy New Year
@giuseppersa2391
8 ай бұрын
Greetings to you Kevin. I'm really enjoying the direction of the your current work. ✌️🌹😊
@alexwelts2553
8 ай бұрын
This situation in varying degrees of savagery occur in all of our cultures and ethnicities. Humans regardless of ethnicity are hardwired to resent the offspring of their partners ex. This is a cycle to be recognized and consciously broken, rather than fought over who claims it like a national treasure. None of you were outcast and abused and ostracized by a step parent?
@JJtvee
4 ай бұрын
I really appreciate the respect you showed for the original stories. Please make more of these videos. 🎉
@lhadzyan7300
8 ай бұрын
There are some striking awesome similarities on the start of Snow White and another rather furtherly gruesome oldest tale by the Grimm: The Junniper Tree, just that there the main-one involved is a young boy instead of a girl, but still there is a very evil stepmother which gets her proper doom at the end and a rebirth miracle happens too.
@touchesyourface2530
8 ай бұрын
Disney is dead time has stopped nothing can be recognized anymore there is nothing new just broken materialism.
@alisonbrowning9620
7 ай бұрын
the early versions, not the Disney version, were my favourite, mum had to read the Ladybird book version every night, i remember her coughing the apple up as they carry her coffin, there is another legend 'the Juniper tree' that is similar with a boy in it who is white as snow and black as ebony.
@MandiPudding
7 ай бұрын
The boy in the story is just white as snow and red as blood.
@penneyburgess5431
8 ай бұрын
It would be wonderful to see a movie of the Snow White tale incorporating some of these ancient magical elements. Thank you so much. This was lovely.❤
@berserker4940
8 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video
@DougerSR
8 ай бұрын
Snow White belongs to Nordic fairy tale tellers. Sorry. Zegler is miscast. I’m still waiting for Grimm fairy tales to be told faithfully to their source.
@HyButchan
8 ай бұрын
Remember, the Grimm brothers themselves changed the stories to be more palatable to audiences of their day e.g. little red riding hood was eaten by the wolf and not saved, the being saved part was added by the Grimms. But of course Disney shouldn't change things to suit our audiences today. The Grimm fairytales have barely changed since they published them in 1812 because they were written down for the first time. Stories always change naturally over time.
@AggelosKyriou
8 ай бұрын
@@HyButchan the little red riding hood is a story about female sexual awakening and thus always had versions were the girl is either saved or eaten by the wolf (=a male sexual predator). The Disney version of Snow White will be laughable and not only because Ziegler is miscast (although Ziegler is a German last name and her father has probably German or Askhenazi Jewish origins but whatever) but because it will be a postmodern wet fart.
@fiktivhistoriker345
8 ай бұрын
@@AggelosKyriouAlso it is possible, that there was a cult or rite of initiation for young men, killing wolfs or dogs and then roam around to murder, rape or plunder. I remember something like this is told about young men of Sparta. There were seasons in folklore, where it was considered to be dangerous to leave the house because of "ghosts". Not to mention the festivities about "monsters" and fertility.
@john-ic5pz
8 ай бұрын
murder, rape & plunder? where on earth did you get that from.... what culture used rape and murder as a rite of passage? it's counter productive to bring harm to your own tribe by designing a ritual like that isn't it?
@siouxsioux2725
8 ай бұрын
Same. Way more interesting and a story for adults
@faerieSAALE
7 ай бұрын
Loved this video and all the images it presented!
@Iflie
7 ай бұрын
The version of snow white we read as dutch children stil had the blood in the snow and the part where she wants a daughter with skin as white as snow and it's so important to the story I don't know why they didn't think skin tone would matter. Even if you are determined to race swap her at least use an asian beauty, who have all those characteristrics.
@Mark-mu4pj
8 ай бұрын
Thanks great video
@constantius4654
8 ай бұрын
Outstanding history and storytelling such as Fortress of Lugh are wonderful reference points for each of us who are of Germanic, Celtic or other European stock and remind us of our deep history and indeed our continuing greatness.
@lavish_1717
8 ай бұрын
All the Disney remakes are insults tbh.
@PerceptionVsReality333
8 ай бұрын
The protagonist is always a laquisha.
@xp8969
8 ай бұрын
@@PerceptionVsReality333cry harder ❄️
@Bern_il_Cinq
8 ай бұрын
Mickey Mouse went into the public domain this morning if you guys are that mad about it lol
@michaelcarrigee905
8 ай бұрын
“Evil cannot create, it can only destroy” - Tolkein
@Margo5050
8 ай бұрын
So you do better.
@Ardabor-GrimoriosyBestiarios
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video and for the story of Goldtree, I had never heard of it. I also liked the angle that the story may have roots in the image of changing seasons
@elizabethdavis1696
8 ай бұрын
7:07 when he mentioned the seven mountains I couldn’t help but think of the seven hills of Rome
@nct948
7 ай бұрын
an interesting thought, if the story came with the invading Roman armies.
@jordanfalkowski6924
8 ай бұрын
Its probly distorted how Aria ran away when she fought joffrey and was was mad at the hound cause she was only playing with her friend that started those events.
@thehound9638
8 ай бұрын
She had no reason to be mad at me! The stupid little girl!
@AnnZou137
8 ай бұрын
I prefer the old tales to the movies. When I was a small kid, my Mom would often read these tales from the Grimm Brothers book, especially when I had a flu. So being sick as a kid was not so bad though.
@xlrouge
8 ай бұрын
Terrific and delightful! Thank you very much for the research
@mathieuleader8601
8 ай бұрын
I find the talking fish in that one version of the tale is neat
@VaxtorT
8 ай бұрын
Disney remaking Snow White as brown is very insulting.....but mainly because if this was done in reverse, if a story of dark complected girl was appropriated white....we are all well aware of who would be throwing a damn hissy fit. If not for that, nobody would give a damn .
@Survivethejive
8 ай бұрын
I think it comes from the same tradition as the necromantic stories when a woman is raised from the dead. Odin does this for eg.
@zeideerskine3462
8 ай бұрын
Sneewitta was a real life person as were and still are the dwarves of the ore mountains south of the seven peak range.
@markcraven8386
8 ай бұрын
Curiosity got the better of me so I scanned your channel and the videos you have listed, after doing so I saved this video for easy access to what I presume will be many more interesting watches.
@heyikindalikeyou
8 ай бұрын
Amazing great presentation. Makes me think cs lewis must have known much about mythology considering the narnia tale is about the light and warmth banishing the long winter
@irisjanemay1903
8 ай бұрын
Since he was besties with Tolkien probably yes.
@initial_C
8 ай бұрын
As a student of Old English it makes me happy to hear someone pronounce the "thorn" letter correctly instead of as "d"
@bradlcnm
8 ай бұрын
Could the dwarfs or dwarves be earlier actual hominins?
@willempasterkamp862
8 ай бұрын
famous 7 : claudians, nicolaitans comparing to the fallen angels (lost boys)
@PaulKMF1
7 ай бұрын
I'd bet on it. I say Dwarves are based on Neanderthals.
@eric2500
8 ай бұрын
*"from there grew the cycle of the seed and the sickle and the dance of the seasons, and the birds in their flight"* musical, Hades Town
@rifter0x0000
7 ай бұрын
When Julius Caesar was still a young man, Sulla became a dictator of Rome. He called Caesar before him, and was at first impressed by him. But he said one day this young man might grow to be a threat. When he felt that day had come, he ordered Pompei to hunt Caesar down and bring back his heart as a trophy to prove he had been killed. Pompei found Caesar, but in the moment felt he could not kill him after all, and instead brought Sulla the heart of a boar. Caesar fled across the sea to Bithynia, where he stayed in the king's palace, becoming his lover. He was later mocked with the accusation he was the bottom in that relationship, which is actually likely. So it is interesting that Germanic people would come to tell a story of a princess whose mother or stepmother felt she was a threat and tried to have her killed by having her organs removed and brought to her. And that she would then flee to another court or across the sea. The Celts and the Germanic tribes both had not only contact with Rome but with Caesar himself. They would not need to have heard this story to come up with the story of Snow White, since it does have elements of ancient acrhetypes, magic, and mythology. But it is still interesting to think about.
@margomoore4527
Ай бұрын
Where does the saying come from, that Julius Caesar was every man’s woman, and every woman’s man?
@BeorTheOld
8 ай бұрын
Interesting to cover many different evolutions and corruptions of the story as it moved around in place and time but drawing the line at one specific one 🤔
@oddsavage
8 ай бұрын
My uncle was a dwarf and he was a wrestler. He saved a girl, too, once, but they put him in jail for doing it wrong, I guess.
@marilynmitchell2712
8 ай бұрын
I assume from this that all of Grimms stories have a very ancient origin.
@77wolfblade
8 ай бұрын
a lot tales. Hell even phrases like a" cat with 9 lives" there is a tale of a witch that transforms into a cat 9 times Scottish or Irish mythology.
@4everseekingwisdom690
8 ай бұрын
If anything it's most likely a mystery school myth especially if it ties into the underworld.. innana went through 7 gates to escape the underworld, Orpheus has the lyre with it's 7 strings, you'll find the numbers 12 and 7 in every mystery school myths as it will always refer to the 7 planets and the zodiac and more importantly what they represent in you
@Catmom-gl5nt
8 ай бұрын
I read years ago that Snow White hearkens back to human sacrifice practiced by Germanic tribes to either bring the harvest or the spring.
@PlainsPup
7 ай бұрын
So basically Snow White is the Germanic version of the Greek goddess of the seasons Persephone, daughter of Demeter and Zeus. When she eats a pomegranate, she finds she must marry Hades, and spend half the year in the Underworld with him, creating winter. When she returns to this world for the other half of the year, we have spring and summer.
@kimwarburton8490
7 ай бұрын
I always thought snow white was about the devouring mother archetype, but this seasonal explanation makes alot of sense too
@MadAboutFilm
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for this interesting dive into the Snow White mythology. I was surprised tho, to see no mention of obvious parallels with Demeter-Persephone myth: in which also the Daughter disappears into the Underworld, then seasonally re-emerges, bringing back fruitfulness to the world. Except in that version, it's the man-suitor-would-be-husband who abducts & imprisons the Daughter; & her Mother who mourns her & won't rest until she's rescued / liberated.
@pontifexmaximus9852
8 ай бұрын
Very good video Kevin, thank you for all the knowledge you provide us. Look around guys, seems like more and more of us are awakening! There is a storm coming, and when the storm is getting close the trees start to dance!
@freyatilly
8 ай бұрын
Very well put together. Intetesting research on the Germanic/Gaelic origins.
@RoyCyberPunk
8 ай бұрын
The idea of a mother who gave birth wanting their own offspring dead seems beyond callous which is why they usually depict the queen as the evil stepmother instead not that stepmothers are necessary evil but is a degree of separation that makes the story more convincing and palatable as well.
@karamlevi
8 ай бұрын
Step moms CAN BE pretty evil, a few are not.
@RoyCyberPunk
8 ай бұрын
@karamlevi Umm I just said that I've got no idea why are you repeating it...
@RuneRelic
7 ай бұрын
Interesting thoughts. Perhaps once a princess, sent through a mountain pass, only to be found frozen in an ice block, with no one knowing how to bring here back alive. I would add Merlin, Ice caverns and ice coffins rather than crystal caves, glass coffins with stasis, to your 7 dwarves & their mountains. You can add to that Cinderellas glass slippers to go with your burning shoes. Especially with dwarves in the original context of elves manifesting from the underworld and perhaps with the west as the abode of the dead with an ice queen to rule over it. The recovery of the perfectly preserved Otzi springs to mind. As does Tolkien in a more modern sense. I assume he also did lots of background research for his own work. Lady of the Lake, Galdriel, a women of grace held above all, that appears to play a central role, but a mystery with little detail.
@MagdaleneDivine
8 ай бұрын
This was awesome. Do other fairy tales OR AESOPS FABLES. I Loved those
@hohetannen4703
8 ай бұрын
e U rO pE eaN It’s German.
@willempasterkamp862
8 ай бұрын
rather roman
@silhouetta37
5 ай бұрын
The connection you imply with Persephone and Demeter is fascinating. Demeter isn’t portrayed as jealous or murderous as such, but as psychologically unable to let go of her daughter and permit her to have her own being, which is not so different. You imply, I think, that this relates to the fullness of the harvest season being unwilling to yield its glory to the next generation/year. The seeds (/daughters) go into the ground (/underworld) in the autumn to eacape the domineering mother, lie dormant there in a mystical half-alive state for half a year, then emerge fresh and green in the Spring as the new year takes over from the old one. I hadn’t made this connection before, about the mother being the old year passing away unwillingly as her beauty fades. Definitely feels like a gut-level observation by ancestral story-tellers about the tension and violence inherent to reproduction, the love for offspring as intertwined in some ghastly way with the raging against one’s own death that new life necessitates, drawing parallels between the human experience of this and the same patterns seen elsewhere in nature, looking for ways to find peace and order among these conflicting elements. Thank you for your work. Always stimulating.
@bigbadseed7665
8 ай бұрын
I would argue that the prince reviving Snow White with a kiss in later versions is a Christian influence. A ruler who revives the dead with his love sounds a lot like Jesus. What do you think?
@willempasterkamp862
8 ай бұрын
Nerones princeps and Pompeia paulina
@juneroberts5305
8 ай бұрын
In some versions Snow White wakes up because she goes into labour. The Prince did more than just ogled her in that coffin....
@thomascain5313
8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this level of scholarship on this topic; I found it most enlightening and just what I had been hoping to find. A little contribution I might make, as an archaeologist, is to contrast the desire of early folklorists…you refer to this as seen in the Grimm Brothers…to somehow work their way back to some pure “un corrupted “ source that attached itself to the idea of some pure un corrupted “strain” of people with archaeology complicating that search considerably. Maritime trade between Britain and Ireland is attested by well excavated stratified finds,of Irish stone tools in Scotland with pretty Clearly Neolithic dates attached….so 3000 BC…? All fascinating. Thanks thanks so much.
@courtneymckissick2014
7 ай бұрын
I love learning about the origins of stories. It's more fun than watching the movies. I don't care how Disney makes their movies. I just am a fan of Disney. I enjoy different takes on things. Disney isn't the only company that remakes movies. They're just movies. People will complain about anything, though. My husband doesn't like any Disney movies except one. He says that the only good movie is Emperor's New Groove. 😂 He enjoys his war movies more than anything else but he doesn't understand people's complaints about remakes either.
@MandiPudding
7 ай бұрын
Aristo cats is good.
@MrAllanstuart
6 ай бұрын
Outstanding! Many thanks.
@moussapolytropos
8 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to compare the tales of Snow White and theSleeping Beauty
@shirleynoble685
8 ай бұрын
As you first mentioned the blood on the snow, I wondered if you would connect the Deirdre story.
@Book-bz8ns
8 ай бұрын
Island across the sea.. maybe Avalon? Or something like it.
@willlyon7129
8 ай бұрын
Will there be more videos on the dark origins of fairy tales.
@mathieuleader8601
8 ай бұрын
Dwarves merging with stone made me picture Dwarves becoming giant golems to defend their homes.
@feralbluee
8 ай бұрын
Excellent and fascinating fairytale lore. It’s so interesting how many of these tales appear in many cultures all over the world. The Cinderella type tale turns up in Sub-Saharan Africa, China, and even Northeastern Native American stories. I’ve subscribed. Thanks so much. :) 🧚🏻🧚🏽
@lindsayheyes925
7 ай бұрын
I live near Athelstan's Wood, which belongs to the Duchy of Cornwall to this day, but was pledged to the Duke of Medina Sidonia if the Spanish Armada had resulted in the conquest of England. The name was born by an English king and also a Bishop of Hereford - and there was also a Bishop Cantilupe. That's an English name with Norman roots meaning "Wolf's song" (toponym from a place so remote and wild that wolves were heard there). BTW, IIRC Beowulf wasn't English, he was a Geat from what is now northern Germany.
@megeles
8 ай бұрын
The more he talked about it the more it sounded like a reimagining of the story of Persephone where Hades is the good guy and Demeter is evil
@timhorn3829
8 ай бұрын
I’ve always found the story of Snow White and Sigur and Gunther and Brune, Hilda fascinating, especially when I the book written by Edith Hamilton, concerning her collection mythological fails tails
@GingerKral
8 ай бұрын
Thank you. Very well done ❤
@MichaelLeBlanc-p4f
8 ай бұрын
An old dog, I know for a certaìntly that 'Snow White' originated via Walt Disney, opened hope and possibility that a woman was good company. Many are but many more ain't so . . . that's why Pinnichio is necessary for a youngmans complete education.
@xp8969
8 ай бұрын
You're off by more than a century
@MichaelLeBlanc-p4f
8 ай бұрын
@@xp896944 Nay. Whipping through time on an alternate time źone9
@williamdogan1149
8 ай бұрын
The Grimm tales were orally preserved in Old German and other cultures for centuries. They only wrote them down.
@thehomeschoolinglibrarian
8 ай бұрын
The whole cursed to sleep thing is also present in Sleeping Beauty and being locked up in a tower is present in Repunzel. This was definitely an interesting video and I will probably be seeing the new Snow White film which hopefully gives a name to the Prince because like Cinderella he has no name or really a character in the original animation. My daughter who is 4 is currently in a Disney Princess stage so I am exposed to a lot of this stuff right now.
@ianmoore7735
8 ай бұрын
Thanks
@FortressofLugh
8 ай бұрын
Thank you and happy New Year
@MultiCconway
7 ай бұрын
So . . . many of the commenters here are saying that . . . it is not only Liberals who appropriate other's cultures while they accuse everyone else of doing the same?
@secretshaman189
8 ай бұрын
Thank-you for all the comparative research on this fairy tale, so interesting!
@catherinemerrill5511
7 ай бұрын
I have had it up to ***here*** with Disney. I love folklore, bedtime stories, mythology, and all, but much prefer the clarity of the ancient tales without the muddle of thieves
@johnkochen7264
8 ай бұрын
I remember seeing the original Disney movie as a child and thoroughly enjoying it. My kid brother even got a Prince Charming plastic sword and shield. He was 5 or 6 at the time. Being kids, we were totally oblivious of the Germanic roots and could not have cared less. For us it was just an enjoyable fairytale. Kudos to Disney for taking a dark and bloody fairytale and making it suitable for young children.
@PetroicaRodinogaster264
8 ай бұрын
That was very interesting and the idea that the original story was depicting seasonal change seems very plausible to me. I don’t expect anyone will read my thoughts but that doesn’t stop me thinking them. Ancient peoples (and still many today) explained nature in inexplicable ways that were even more fantastic and less likely than the truth but it was their only way to understand what was happening. Religious people of today, without the ability to think critically about things or who have had their senses dulled by brain washing, still resort to the highly unlikely if not impossible, instead of acknowledging the normal nature of things. I think the biggest stumbling block for so many is the time-line of things from the big bang until now. It is mentally painful to try and comprehend billions of years, even millions. So people like to reduce the timeline to a few thousand yrs which then makes naturally occurring events like evolution and geological changes, seem impossible on their own. So gods and the like, have to be invented to explain the unexplainable like creation, weather, seasons, night and day, good and bad happenings.
@lonelylionsingle7582
7 ай бұрын
Most people aren't aware that the none Disney adaption story film about SnowWhite that was released in 1955 directed by Erich Kobler are closer as a respectful version of a live adaptation despite of their limitations when comes to technologies in films back in 50:es era in comparison to Disney's so called Remake that has nothing to do with the original version source material that Walt Disney himself used in the animated version with his own vision of the original story..
@RaysDad
7 ай бұрын
Beautiful visuals.
@AggelosKyriou
8 ай бұрын
The glass coffin and the apple that is spat out to revive Snow white is clearly Catholic christian in origin. The remains of saints are displayed in glass coffins and the apple spat out is the reversal of the apple bitten by Eve in the Garden of Eden. All the rest seem to be pagan European though.
@BaltimoresBerzerker
8 ай бұрын
Glass making was definitely an Italian occupation so either the story comes from the Italian - Germanic border lands or you're on point!
@AggelosKyriou
8 ай бұрын
@@BaltimoresBerzerker There are thousand of glass coffins displaying the remains of saints in Germany and former German lands especially in more Catholic regions. I've seen more than 50 in Munich when I visited. They are also very common in all other Orthodox and Catholic regions of Europe and Latin America.
@pprehn5268
8 ай бұрын
I grew up with 'Sneeuwitje' as a child in Amsterdam back in the 1940's Cool to learn the metaphors and icon passing through the ages
@eric2500
8 ай бұрын
The colors of white, red and black are the colors of the Otherworld vision in Celtic lore at least. Dream in these colors and it is a prophetic dream.
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