I want to see you run a 3.3 l on a turbo assembly sports my son is getting about 600 horsepower
@ceolacameron3299
4 жыл бұрын
3.3 liter Buick engine 93
@thefngoat2888
4 жыл бұрын
Nobody cares about the 3800s 😂😂😂😂 ls4 will punish tf outta this .
@gearhead302fi
4 жыл бұрын
Rich Gwolla guess I’m a nobody, lol! 🤷 not gonna argue with you there, wish I had the ls4 in my car!
@t.l.robinson2162
2 жыл бұрын
I will always love this engine. I surprise a lot of v-8 cars with my Grand Prix.
@gradywade9686
4 жыл бұрын
Never let your guy touch another head. The pictures made me cry
@rle1020
4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a 4200 inline 6 build with a turbo.
@richardholdener1727
4 жыл бұрын
YES
@KD_0991
4 жыл бұрын
Yes 4200 i6 big bang!
@zerohourdrift
4 жыл бұрын
Biggest issue with them is lack of aftermarket. Stock internals can only go so far and there’s no forged options available off the shelf. You’d need custom parts which is so expensive
I'd love to see the 3700 i5 and 2900 i4 variants too.
@tylerzielinski463
4 жыл бұрын
Big Bang GM Series II VS. Ford Supercoupe 3.8L SC back to back. Now that would be something to see!
@GIGABACHI
4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the SC 3.8L Boat Anchor being sadistically flogged with a big 🐌 and aftercooler too. Always thought there was more in it but the factory M90 was a pushover and not up to snuff.
@coreyrice6279
4 жыл бұрын
these l67s are really popular here in australia as they came in a bunch of our commodoors, theres quite a few that are making over 1000hp at the wheels with forged internals and a turbo
@v8soarer1991
4 жыл бұрын
Mr Rice i Call BS. 4.2ltr stroker with 350kw atw supercarged intercooled VS Ute. Have to be realistic about what he tests. www.fullboost.com.au/fb/index.php/2019/09/02/1000hp-v6-ecotec/
@coreyrice6279
4 жыл бұрын
@@v8soarer1991 that is with a supercharger, which are trash compared to a big single turbo
@warrickdyson2281
4 жыл бұрын
v8soarer1991 there are certainly people in Aus nudging 1000hp with the v6’s. None with the factory m90 obviously
@benmcbride-davids7233
4 жыл бұрын
Lag sux vt xu6 is stroker turbo nitrous making around 70hp atw and runs low 9s
@RhysK94
4 жыл бұрын
@@benmcbride-davids7233 incorrect, isnt stroked.
@HoosierDaddy_
4 жыл бұрын
This test was puzzling. It must be redone, but without overthinking it.
@manitoublack
4 жыл бұрын
Supermang (it's an Aussie thing😉)
@watsisbuttndo829
4 жыл бұрын
The sound of the western suburbs on a balmy summer night. Maaaaaaaaaaang ,maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang!!!!!. Horrible old vp commodore doing a one wheel peel.
@ethanburgess8355
4 жыл бұрын
How come all these motors in Australia kick more legs the a karate master on a Wednesday night? 😂
@ZedTee77
4 жыл бұрын
Dayumm Jelly 😂 good comment. i believe the series 1 had different rods and oiling setup or something like that and they liked to throw rods, I’ve seen 5 grenade with my own eyes and a few more on video, the series one is VN, VP, VR. The series 2 (Ecotec) in the VS, VT, VY commodores had revised rods etc and I’ve never seen one of them throw rods, apparently really though engines.
@alanmoore2920
4 жыл бұрын
These blocks are pretty strong.a short KZitem search of turbo gtp or turbo l67 confirms this.the ported heads are not the restriction so you wont see a gain until they are the cam is the restriction.the stock exhaust is a restriction. I think stock heads on the kb vs ported on the kb after a cam swap would show you what the porting on the heads can do. Also definitely do springs with a cam even if they dont recomend it.i speak from experience. Turbo all the way.big turbo too.at least what it will spool. F the 4t65...
@lukedoehrman2304
4 жыл бұрын
Yes #bigbang3800! I've gone all the way to 25psi on my sbe, with a vsracing 6766, 3800 Camaro intake. Not sure on the power but it had a st4 cam from zzp. Let me know if you have any questions.
@richardholdener1727
4 жыл бұрын
THNX FOR THE INFO
@p0intdk
4 жыл бұрын
What ET and MPH then?
@dynotunemotorsports9156
4 жыл бұрын
Welcome to 2000 - 2005 when the 3800 was popular and people with money would throw cheddar at them like throwing bills at a stripper in the club.
@dvjracing5947
4 жыл бұрын
Spending $6k for 50hp 😅🤣😂
@mikehardin2927
4 жыл бұрын
dvj racing not really 500 bucks can net you almost 50 hp
@alockworkorange7296
4 жыл бұрын
I love these engines but richard is right turbo id the way to go
@dvjracing5947
4 жыл бұрын
@@mikehardin2927 the supercharger swap was the only thing that netted any power. Call and see what that costs.....
@donellmuniz590
4 жыл бұрын
@@mikehardin2927 From what Richard demonstrated, it looks like just a pulley swap and maybe a bigger throttle body, eh?
@3800TURBO
4 жыл бұрын
3800 nice. Yes big bang. Twin turbo. Will do at least 800-900 stock rod for sure. Maybe more. If you can find one get an L32. Its the last of the 3800 blower engines. Has rods the same design as a GEN4 LS. I can send you a cam card for a comp grind we did that got us to an 8.80@160 using ported cast iron heads. PS: in that old dyno, you may have been opening the valves as the stock closed pressure is like 75lb lol.
@delcowizzid
4 жыл бұрын
Terafi absolute weapon haha
@3800TURBO
4 жыл бұрын
@@delcowizzid Was lol.
@scottsigmon926
4 жыл бұрын
Every engine should be a “Big Bang”!!! Every engine should be tested with a turbo and inter cooler !!!!
@SweatyFatGuy
4 жыл бұрын
every engine should be run on E85 both NA and with boost.
@vornice7604
4 жыл бұрын
Big bang everything 💪
@donellmuniz590
4 жыл бұрын
@@SweatyFatGuy I dont have E85 in my area (western Washington), which is a bit of a bummer.
@SweatyFatGuy
4 жыл бұрын
@@donellmuniz590 I have to drive 2 hours south into another state so that I can fill up 55 gallon barrels with E85. So I feel you are not having it nearby. Used to have a station near here that had it was only 20 miles but they gouged everybody on the prices and then stopped having it. They were selling it for more money than 87 octane and you just aren't going to sell any if you're doing that it was $0.10 more than 87. Most stations around the country will have it price $0.10 under 87 octane. I'm out in the shop right now I'm using voice to text because my hands are covered in oil so if something in this doesn't quite make sense or has the wrong word blame it on my tablet
@SweatyFatGuy
4 жыл бұрын
@@donellmuniz590 almost forgot I'm also making my own gate E5 well I make straight up and all and comes out like he 98 cuz I have to denature it I make it out of tree sap you can make it out all kinds of things and pretty much any vehicle even airplanes and boats will run on it without any problems most of what you hear about it being harmful or whatever is negative it's just bulshit. I've been running it for 13 years and all my stuff looks nice and clean no rust no corrosion no nothing
@Yarramen-Yaro
4 жыл бұрын
I had a gtp back in the early 2000s and I remember you could adapt an ls or Northstar throttle body to them, zzp performance had all the parts for these engines back then..stage 1-4 cams and heads, transmissions, and turbo kits..I traded up for an ls car and never looked back.. going from a 3800 to an ls.. The parts were way cheaper than ls parts.
@Yarramen-Yaro
4 жыл бұрын
Go big boost
@SweatyFatGuy
4 жыл бұрын
I have an 02 GTP sitting in the yard that is going to end up being the power for a ladder car, like the Atom. Would be fun to put a turbo on it, run it on E85, and have the entire car with me weigh less than 2000lbs. Would make a super fun summer car.
@CraftsmanQuad19
4 жыл бұрын
Nowadays it’s several thousand dollars to make 400 hp, plus a 3000 dollar built transmission to hold the power. Meanwhile an LS is just a cam and tune away
@SweatyFatGuy
4 жыл бұрын
@@CraftsmanQuad19 I'm putting the 6.0 in my 76 C10 it had a bad lifter that ate the cam so I had to get a camshaft for it. Then I had to get headers mounts build a new fuel system then I have to come up with the transmission that I can make work with the 600 and that's going Chevy to Chevy and it should make about 400 horse but you never know it might not. Right now including the engine all the parts and not even getting ready to put it in the truck yet just compiling part I got 22 $2,300 wrapped up in it now I can take a 400 Pontiac and get 450 horse out of it really easy for about $2,000 and if it came in a Pontiac vehicle then I don't have to change anything I just pull it out go through it stick it back together with the right Cam and everything in it and a set of headers and everything is cheap for the Pontiacs. $175 for headers instead of 320 for the LS don't need to change the gears don't need to change the transmission don't need to change a fuel system unless I want to put EFI on it. I like the ls a lot but it's not exactly what I would call inexpensive. They can make good power but you're not going to do that reliably with a junkyard engine and put it in for pennies you're going to end up spending a couple of grand just to put it in the vehicle. That's why it's going in the truck and not my GTO because a 6.0 is going to have a hard time making the same power that my 455 does, it'll never make as much torque except maybe come close at the peak Maybe, i can do a rebuild with forged rods and pistons in a 455 with ported heads that makes 550hp 600tq for about 3k. When it costs me almost that much to just stuff in a junkyard engine that's makes less power and needs more rpm to come close, well they make good truck engines
@SweatyFatGuy
4 жыл бұрын
@@CraftsmanQuad19 I'm not an idiot I think you can figure out what I was trying to say I'm using voice to text because my hands are covered in oil and I'm out in the shop. The tablet doesn't really know car stuff that well
@tomwhite9034
4 жыл бұрын
Those v6 3.8 Buick engines are really good we have them in our earlier holden commodores. There are guy's that have built them to 750 hp and higher. Tough motors
@brandonhall4943
4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see results from extended ratio rockers on a stock cam. That's a pretty common "mod" for these engines.
@Rampant_Colt
4 жыл бұрын
I opted for the 1.9 ratio rockers instead of a cam due to the weak transmission in the W-body automobiles.
@karter9908
4 жыл бұрын
Working for Buick at DPG, I did Dev work on 3800sc . It was understood that b25 cam was used only because of bad rockers. Buick/GM couldn't justify rocker redesign/upgrade. Waiting to see what your tests shows🤔
@Rampant_Colt
4 жыл бұрын
@@karter9908 It's long gone. I had an '01 GTP with 3.4 pulley and supporting mods. It ran a 13.7@ 101. It was a hoot to drive
@NitroAl
4 жыл бұрын
They are worth sod all. I have tried 1.95-1 roller rockers and am not even sure they did anything. My guess they are worth about 5-10hp max.
@timothythomas1737
4 жыл бұрын
@@karter9908 you say you worked for Buick why I's it Pontiac got the credit for this engine.?
@Wild9C1
4 жыл бұрын
Yes big bang!, Turbo matched with the NA aluminum intake and a plenum insert. I had a 3800lb fwd car running 11.5 with a stock bottom end and a cam with a turbo setup.
@donellmuniz590
4 жыл бұрын
How'd the trans hold up? And the half shafts? Do ya have torque steer in the corners, or it it drag-only?
@Wild9C1
4 жыл бұрын
@@donellmuniz590 trans cost more than the car, had a bunch of gm racing parts and a torsen diff. No tq steer and stock half shafts held up fine on hoosier qtp slicks.
@donellmuniz590
4 жыл бұрын
@@Wild9C1 Interesting.
@allanb3222
4 жыл бұрын
@Daver G now that's interesting lol.
@dvjracing5947
4 жыл бұрын
Any trans shop with half a brain knows how to build these transmissions. People give that a bad rap because they would dump money into the motors and leave the trans stock and expect it to hold up.....
@Shotgunwilly1588
4 жыл бұрын
3.8 with a t66 turbo and intercooler good set of injectors and intake manifold see what happens I known one to kick the snot out of a Nissan GTR and it was in a Buick regal gs
@Rampant_Colt
4 жыл бұрын
there was a local guy in the Chicagoland area in the 2000s with a turbo'd Regal GS running 11.8 quarter mile times
@WarShrike
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard, Intense or ZZP have good ported heads for the 3800. Some guys do a housing, but if you can find an aluminum FWD intake that would be one of the best options. Don't use an F-body one, it sucks (I should know haha). The Holden intake has really bad flow characteristics stock. I can't remember if you can use the HV3 insert on the aluminum intake but I've seen people make good gains NA with that. Would love to see pump vs E85 as well. I run E85 on my NA setup, but it's a higher compression build. You might want to keep an eye on coolant pressure, with a really efficient turbo some of the RWD guys have pushed coolant because it would light off down low too soon even with ARP head studs, mls gaskets and copper spray.
@3800TURBO
4 жыл бұрын
Been in that predicament lol. Realized the studs actually grow when the engine is warm. So id re-torque when the engine was hot. Even though everyone says that's a no no. Worked for me.
@fatman1288
4 жыл бұрын
i love zzp but 4k for a set of ported heads is laughable!
@ThmsPtrsn
4 жыл бұрын
People have been using the Holley LS upper intake manifold and doing a diy lower intake manifold on Honda J-Series V6 engines and I think the same thing could be applied to this engine, this mod also allows basically any size throttle body to be used as well!
@WarShrike
4 жыл бұрын
@@ThmsPtrsn yup, with really good results. I had planned on doing that with the Firebird, using the Holden lower and the holley upper.
@ni_wink84
4 жыл бұрын
Should have had “THE DULCHECK” port them lmao
@Krikkebobbyracingchannel
4 жыл бұрын
Like to see a 2.0 supercharged satern redline or colbolt engine I hear thy make a decent amount of power out of a 4clyinder engine
@RearEngineShop
3 жыл бұрын
I really want to get my Fiero with the 3800 supercharged swap on a dyno. I have a 3.4 pulley, headers and a tune. Would love to see what the best mods for power would be. 👍
@Saddedude
4 жыл бұрын
Twincharge that bish obviously. Then pull the heatpump off and see what she will just on the turbo.
@unclesquirrel6951
4 жыл бұрын
Personally I blame squirrels
@deanstevenson6527
4 жыл бұрын
John Woodworth .Me three.
@nunyobusiness6904
4 жыл бұрын
Richard u should build a n/a 3800 to test heads and cam from intense racing and stroker kit from mace engineering in australia before u blow it up w turbo power!
@hom240
4 жыл бұрын
I remember a head modification article from the late 90's. They flowed a stock head, then ported and polished the head and reran the test and it was a nice increase But just for kicks and to validate polishing (a theory to test if polishing actually help) they sand blasted the runners making them rough again. Low and behold they flowed even better. When you blow smoke thru a tube you get rings. They believe that the air flowing into your intake is doing the same thing. The rolling effect acts like a roller bearing allowing the center flow to move faster. The rougher the surface the greater this effect. This doesn't mean flashing nubs and bumps help it doesn't. Obviously anything in the way isn't going to help. They also found the v shape cuts a cnc porting machining makes flow even more because the rolling effect is greater.
@deanstevenson6527
4 жыл бұрын
George Montgomery : Welcome and thanks for the info. You have my respect.
@EvanAxer
3 жыл бұрын
You gotta do a Gen3 vs a Gen5 SC then for a turbo do one test with the SC lower intake and a elbow strait to the Throttle body and then the NA intake from both the FWD one and the Camaro 3.8L lower and upper. That be the set ups that people already use in the real world. Keep up the great work bud.
@barneymiller7894
3 жыл бұрын
The Australian Holden lower is better than any of them 👍 its basically a short ram lower
@jorgealvarado3512
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with your opinion 💯💯. And since our opinions are KNOWN FACTS!!!!!!!! (NOT UP FOR DEBATE) it's the best.
@thegeokiller1529
4 жыл бұрын
do an iron duke engine build and do the Big Bang test with a supercharger
@SUBREA
4 жыл бұрын
Yes please the legendary iron duke!!!
@HorsepowerGarageVideos
4 жыл бұрын
It's been done, the cranks break with any boost.
@frigglebiscuit7484
4 жыл бұрын
yesssssss. i wanna see a 2.5 jeep big bang.
@timwilliams2302
4 жыл бұрын
N/A intake, big turbskie with intercooler should be a decent combo
@Silkmaster4200
4 жыл бұрын
I seen ported N/A intake as well.
@madmod
3 жыл бұрын
He has made custom length tubular intakes before with great results. He may just be able to achieve the na Hp from 3800 enthusiasts dreams lol
@ericericeric2825
4 жыл бұрын
L67 turbo please with as much information as possible. I have this engine turbo in a chevette and want upgrades. I also have a holden intake. Not sure where you are located but if you're close enough id be willing to lend it for testing purposes.
@Rampant_Colt
4 жыл бұрын
check out ZZPerformance. They still have a ton of upgrades and info for the 3800 engine
@Garageless
4 жыл бұрын
Hell yea do big bang! I have 3800 turbo swapped fiero... i killed my bonestock one with 21psi on 61mm turbo it should have lasted more for sure... lim coolant ports where plugged so that didnt help... i just got new motor put together with different intake, cam and valve springs and the supporting mods u need for those...
@johnparrish9215
4 жыл бұрын
I think the reason why the ported heads didn't work is because the stock cam was so mild that the unmodified heads posed no restriction.
@ericgalloway461
4 жыл бұрын
John Parrish agree 100% why even bother with a stock cam? Nothing to gain without can upgrade to need more flow.
@ShadowOppsRC
4 жыл бұрын
True. Stock cam is tuned for emissions and economy so not great for making power.
@BrendanCBreen
4 жыл бұрын
It's more likely the supercharger; if you've seen his other videos you might recall him using the same supercharger on the 4.8 LS and it acted like a restrictor plate. The end power was similar, which is likely the most power those chargers can make.
@johnparrish9215
4 жыл бұрын
@@BrendanCBreen OH, Good Point
@coltonskrts5945
4 жыл бұрын
Richard you should really look into building a 3.7 L Cyclone mustang engine. They have a lot of potential for the price compared to a coyote, especially turbocharged. Auto mafia racing got a 9 second pass on his stock internals sealed 150k mile turbo 3.7 mustang before a piston let go.
@strang1124
4 жыл бұрын
Duttweiler was getting 700hp from Buick GN back in the late 80s early 90s. I still have my Turbo Magazines that I bought new.
@gn4life84
4 жыл бұрын
Different motor
@karter9908
4 жыл бұрын
Turbo 3800 can fly....! Add cumputer eeprom....easy low 11 sec 3600lb. G body.... Strong block, Mahle pistons in1989, torqueplate at factory......good stuff for sure!! If I remember correctly, GNX motor was mod by McLaren. I still have a business card from engr I worked with on pgm. They used ported 3.0 Buick heads....ceramic turbo...and A to A intercooler, as all 1987 GN had. We had a test car that Gabe did prom, and it was impressive!!! Since the GNX is so Super Collectable, no sane person would hack one up. I think ~545 Total built. Each dealer got 1! And some special vip people....
@gn4life84
4 жыл бұрын
@@karter9908 The 3800 series and the Turbo LC2 3.8 Buick motor are not the same motor... ASC/McLaren helped modify GNs into the 547 GNXs. It's not the same company as the McLaren super car manufacturer though.
@karter9908
4 жыл бұрын
@@gn4life84 you are correct. I forgot to mention a few things...it's been YEARS!
@gn4life84
4 жыл бұрын
@@karter9908 no worries man. It's all good. it's a common thought that all 3.8 gm V6s are the same. But there are a variety of them.
@fortnoxz71
3 жыл бұрын
Do a Big Bang... if so PLEASE share the cam you use!! And head flow numbers for your cam selection. Good work btw!! I wish I had your job. I’d like to see if you can get 600-700+ hp out of that thing. Maybe use some nitrous for cooling attributes.. Would be fun to see a new take on that engine with all the advancements we have in today’s world
@brandonpayne1207
4 жыл бұрын
Could the lack of power gians up top be valve float. I know my brother did valve springs on his s3 3800
@timwilliams2302
4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same, these are not built for the abuse of dyno runs
@NitroAl
4 жыл бұрын
The cam is so small it is more likely that. Bigger cams or high ratio rockers running 6k+ rpm the valve springs will definitely be an issue
@josephcottone9613
4 жыл бұрын
Also, higher boost is going to effectively lower spring seat pressure. I’d say springs are a must before turbocharging it.
@travishugh7226
Жыл бұрын
I have just got a 1988 Buick Riviear with a 3800. At first I wanted to put it in GT Vega or a s10 thiking that would really make a fun ride. I like old old style carbsitting on top of the supercharger and the distributor wires you know a dress-up kit. And I would like to have a manual or magazine with some really good ideas. I saw a twin spoo supercharger in a monster car made back in the 1970's My question is there a lower in heigth supercharger so a Holy 950 could be used with a shacker hood scoop? I have access to lathe and in mill and could cut out a inmill but I sure do wish I couls just buy the supercharger I want. I really don't like turbo chargers for a show car or truck, and could desin part to not even look like pipes but I don't want to. Thanks for any kind of insight. Seven One Four.
@billballin6948
4 жыл бұрын
L26 Intake, ZZP Hv3 insert, and an adapter to run a northstar tb would work well with the turbo.
@sombra6153
4 жыл бұрын
I had a company furnished 2005 GTP with that blondness 3800. Seems like it was supposed to be 280 HP with premium fuel. Ran strong. Unfortunately didn’t get to keep it very long. My first experience with supercharged V6 was a 1990 T-bird super Coupe. Auto trans. Car was pretty clapped out when I got it, but it would still move and was fun to drive. The other 3800 SC..
@warrickdyson2281
4 жыл бұрын
YESSS been waiting for 3.8 v6 stuff 🙌🏻🙌🏻
@Crysmatic
3 жыл бұрын
I tried porting a 3800 in 2007. i hogged it out for an hour and didn't gain *anything*. I took it to a professional porter who got 225 cfm with the stock 1.80" valve (stock is around 185) in 30 minutes. I got it CMM'd and still have the CAD. I see your friend "unshrouded" the intake valve...that loses 15cfm! and it doesn't even look like he did a proper valve job. It's actually worse to use bigger valves because you don't increase flow and just lose air speed. Some dubious companies putting in 1.90" valves. Sorry to see Abbott Racing is out of business - they had really good heads.
@Zi.Zenior
4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see you do a series on the ford 3.7L that’s in the mustang. There’s so much conjecture regarding throttle body sizing, Intake porting and headers being “worth it” and I feel like a definitive dyno would answer a lot of questions. Plus 300+ hp v6 is pretty sweet.
@corx829
3 жыл бұрын
****** And The other good thing to put on is a Lq4 6.0 LS MAF Sensor (From 6.0 Ls Chevy) with a Year 2000 Northstar Throttle body they have plug and play wire harness and a micro chip recalibrate to make work / Port and match throttle body to a ZZP ported supercharger INLET ( Which i Think Matches ) Port Supercharger outlet to match LIM ... port runners on top of LIM more then anything , good amount in medium and blend it into the gasket matches lower ends ( I would put 4 Dabs of silicone on LIM side of gasket and bolt the LIM down to cylinder heads with LIM on and stick a marker or something in to runner ports so you can trace gasket onto heads because the gasket gets compressed down and makes the ports holes lower ......this is where the Dans of silicone on LIM come into play ... The gasket will come off stuck onto the LIM and you can trace the outlet onto the LIM lower outlet and then open it up to line and blend it into middle of runner ports, but remember you want this side of the port the smallest for velocity and fast Flow into heads ( **** Also before you bolt up weld the coolant ports Next to EGR valve on top of LIM( this helps keep Air filter intake temps down in LIM and TB To get more power instead of sucking hot EGR exhaust gases in your intake that was just fresh air !! ...... Easy on the exhaust porting, try to grind angle words in to Valves, not on the outside don’t change shape just open up it up a tiny bit to keep velocity and same Shape ( Exhaust porting has major effects on flow ect .... The key point from my knowledge is to blend more at top less at on the bottom in turn to create increased air flow / Exhaust ports are the opposite direction !! ..... Always make sure to blend and polish, everything together and seamless and the mortar toymloish The better this will improve flow and gas mixture + Power ( Less Friction) so you give it Vortec and velocity ....... Last thing on the inside of the cylinder head grind the high lip around valves smooth for better glow and around the spark plug holder,,, don’t worry to much about hitting the outside of valves they should be closed and it shouldn’t effect anything inless you hit the seal of the Valve/ cylinder head seal ...... and then just smooth everything else out around inside the cylinder head & area around spark plug too..... This Mod was the best power bang for my buck ever and was free just time and some grinding wheels & stones Posi spun the tires stock PCM / 99 N/A 3.8 and would cherp the gears gnood in 2nd gear, and this by far was the best mod I did for free money almost with the most power gains !!!! was all stock even PCM was stock .... best power bang for the buck ...... Wish I got to try it out on a supercharged engine! Air & S/C Temps with the cooler r- stat .... / 3.0 pulley / Headers / 103 Racing Autolite spark plugs / 160% Thermostat / EGR Delete / 3 Inch single pipe mandrel Bent pipe 8-12 true resonator / Hooker Single Chamber Pipe ( stock cam sounds like a deep low slightly loopy Cam ( Best I even heard )
@ernestomiranda1122
4 жыл бұрын
YES.......BIG BANG 3800 SERIES!!!
@kennethpowers8995
3 жыл бұрын
The stock cam is too small to take advantage of the gains in head flow on the L67 when it is ported. If you run one of the Good ZZP profile cams with some 90# or better springs in a well ported L67 head setup you will indeed pickup power and drop boost. When I used to have my GTP I made 11-12psi with my 3.4 pulley then added a better downpipe, no cat, E85 and some other little items and a 3.1 pulley made the same boost but picked up solid HP/TQ.
@gordo66061
4 жыл бұрын
My buddys use to have a rail buggy with the 3800 on it. That lil bastard was fun
@technicalitems731
3 жыл бұрын
I’m looking for a budget engine to put in my 1980 Mercedes 240d manual. I don’t want it to be heavy, I don’t want it to be shoehorned in where it’s hard to work on. I want it be practical, affordable, quiet, good on gas mileage, better power than weak ass non turbo diesel, manual transmission, and potential to have some performance mods later. Wouldn’t this engine be better then a sbc(tight fit), 5.0 Ford (common as it fits better than sbc), or a 4.3 truck v6. What choice of manual trans do I have? What is a good year model of engine and from what car to salvage from? Thoughts? Thanks
@derrickodyes1934
4 жыл бұрын
can we see what you did to fit the Kenne Bell blower?
@snutmeez
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I would like to see the plate specs pleeeeeaaase
@tjzang4592
3 жыл бұрын
Big bang please 🙏 twin turbo, single turbo. I think these are a better engine to supercharge because they aren't a high reving motor but 🤷♂️ cam, e85, intercooler. (AU) land down under were we have RWD l67's "utes"
@MultiScotty12345
4 жыл бұрын
3800 was always one of my favorite engines. Yes to the big bang please. I like the stock 3800 series II N/A intake manifold for the big bang test.
@barryhuddlestun3098
3 жыл бұрын
PS check out the 4.3 Syclone Jeremy Hacking video running a 7.59 185 mph quarter mile. It will make you rethink running a V6 and make you believe again in your love of smaller engines.
@MrBlackbutang
4 жыл бұрын
Seen that engine make north 800 hp
@kingrandor7272
3 жыл бұрын
😕really
@2009mechanic
3 жыл бұрын
The past successes with the RWD G body Buick Grand National with a turbocharged 3.8 L should speak for themsrlves ehat these Buick engines can really do. Just add more turbo boost.
@MCgolum11
4 жыл бұрын
So when is the v10 truck motors.
@timothythomas1737
4 жыл бұрын
Ford or dodge
@JohnnyAnderson1
4 жыл бұрын
@@timothythomas1737 DODGE
@chuckchar
4 жыл бұрын
Both ! Mostly want to see the ford though !
@timothythomas1737
4 жыл бұрын
I had a boss who owned a custom dodge suburban type vehicle with a v10 that had a banks centrifugal charger on.it We also put in ross forged pistons balanced it larger injectors because the meth injection didn't kill all the detonation also head was massaged by indy cylinder head it was pretty fast for a one ton truck.not sure on power out put but banks only i think it was ranked at 500 hp
@timothythomas1737
4 жыл бұрын
V 10 truck engines arent viper engines tho. I have a good friend with a viper truck
@lazyhoundracing9621
4 жыл бұрын
You replied to me that my 292 with 4-71 blower might not be big enough to support 800-1000 hp. After making some calls and talking to The Blower shop you were correct! Thanks for the input. Looks like a 6-71 is in the works. Luckily I have not had the intake for the 12 port cross flow made yet. Thanks again.
@BLKMGK4
4 жыл бұрын
That little Eaton can't move enough air, put a big turbo in front of it to take over up top maybe? Be interesting to see it compounded that way!
@bri-manhunter2654
4 жыл бұрын
Full exhaust, pulley, cams, and tune will make big power!
@nunyabidniz2868
4 жыл бұрын
Would love to see someone do a proper turbo-compound, for the ultimate in responsive throttle w/ stonkin' torque at any revs...
@hayden6056
3 жыл бұрын
@@bri-manhunter2654 define big power. Big average hp , nothing on a Wu Tang war whistle
@bri-manhunter2654
3 жыл бұрын
@@hayden6056. Big power is relative, for the street anyways.
@hayden6056
3 жыл бұрын
@@bri-manhunter2654 this is coming from someone with an intercooled , cammed, balanced and e85 motor on the stand. If it makes 350whp I'll cream but it'll be over 200rwhp by 2k. Fit a killaboost manifold set up and an s300 Borg Warner on same rotating assembly and heads and I'd be probably around 5-600 before pistons are a worry.
@corx829
3 жыл бұрын
To get ported power you need to gasket match the lower intake to cylinder heads and Polishing some ....... first take more out of Th top of LIM then gasket match it at end and smooth together and splash some...... then open the beginning of head port open wide to match gasket, be East and try to grind anglewords to the left and right because you will blow threw the wall if you go Flush straight and then blend it in and polish so point is to make the ends on heads a little small so you give it Vortec and velocity ....... then on in of cylinder head grind / smooth the lip / edge lip around the valves and then just smooth everything else around inside that area especially around spark plugs ect.... leave the exhaust port the same design pretty much just open it up minimal staying the same design, never make the outside bigger just inside to middle bigger minimally....then smooth and blend all In, do not open the outside of the exhaust port..... did this on a NA and it Posi spun the tires and 1/4 throttle or less on a 99 N/A 3.8 and would cherp the gear good in 2nd gear, and this by far the best mod I did for free money almost with the most power gains !!!! was all stock even PCM was stock .... best power bang for the buck...... Wish I got to try it out on a supercharged engine!
@zerohourdrift
4 жыл бұрын
Ooh hell yeah! Only thing I’d recommend for your second go through is try and pick up an l32/ series 3 SC engine. The s2 is awesome for sure but I’ve read the s3 sc has factory forged rods and can supposedly make more power
@morboost4224
4 жыл бұрын
L67 is stronger
@3800TURBO
4 жыл бұрын
@@morboost4224 L32 has rods same as a Gen4 LS. Stronger than L67.
@jacobburskey3044
4 жыл бұрын
@@3800TURBO They don't really, people have broken l32 rods but haven't broken l67 rods in similar builds.
@Wild9C1
4 жыл бұрын
Series III has the powdered metal rods
@jarlnieminen4307
4 жыл бұрын
Surely you want the late model l67
@ronwhittaker6317
2 жыл бұрын
again to my way of thinking a supercharger or blower can only run so many rpm, meaning they need a throw-out clutch, not unlike a mechanical radiator fan, on a compounded application they're just there to spool up the turbo. to nix the lag, keeping the turbo at boost at all times. giving the ability to run as big a turbo as one likes. in the long run, it's just a turbine. superchargers are supplemental in the equation. full on blowers well that's another story. 9:40. the engine is a pump the supercharger is a pump the turbo/turbine, is a pump. pumps move mountains. build dams, and raise skyscrapers, irrigate whole prairies and launch instruments of war, drive whole economies, move energy from one place to the other. in fact, build everything you see. lol hot rodders just want to go fast. the shame of it. I'm guilty as hell.
@FieroWannaBe
4 жыл бұрын
These engines are very popular with Fiero modders. I think the bolt ons usually net more power gains than what was seen here, usually tuned fairly easily in HPtuners with the GM ECU. Some of the fastest fieros in the 1/4 mile are running turbo 3800s. 3.4 pulleys are usually the limit on the street before heat causes knock. Larger throttle bodies are swapped, usually from a Cadillac Northstar, the factory throttle is pretty small for that power level.
@dazdillenger1987
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Richard. I believe the problem with the ported heads is in the work done on the combustion chamber. Looks like it's too far gone from the gm design. There's a reason why swirl is important as well as efficiency is gone when too much material was removed... I'm no expert but have had a set of overported Vortec heads not by me LoL and it never made the torque my motor should've had. Kinda like these heads.
@420architecMindNDesign
4 жыл бұрын
Finally my love is getting the attention she deserves
@totboxtater
3 жыл бұрын
i know how your feeling my friend i plan on pulling my sc 3.8l out of my impala when the body finally roots out all the way (fuck nys) and putting it in a smaller car with mods
@svtbird9613
3 жыл бұрын
Need to do the 3.8 SC Thunderbird engine next! Im building one right now. Was going to go with a Jag m122 blower in place of the m90 but am going twin turbos instead.
@aguywhomakesthings3316
4 жыл бұрын
Go as stock as possible. Run the stock manifold, really looking forward to this, m first car had a 3.8. Head blew and I didn't have cash to fix it but wish i could have fixed it and put it in something else.
@natelsx
6 ай бұрын
I thought the heads looked decent. But it only takes a few wrong places grinding to reverse all the progress in flow. I would love to see a big bang on this engine !! Still waiting for a big bang on a k24a2
@derrickodyes1934
4 жыл бұрын
yes yes yes want to see lots more on this engine i have 2 gtps also do the 3800 vin k engine
@uglyfxxx6981
3 жыл бұрын
What's different about the vin k engines?
@mikecastleberry9671
3 жыл бұрын
Pos
@neilfoodguy8667
3 жыл бұрын
We have an endless supply of 3800 motors in Australia that went into our Holden Commodore rwd. I’m thinking that motor with a turbo on it would be a cheap and easy way to get into dragracing or drift.
@lifeonadime4703
3 жыл бұрын
This gives me LOTS of ideas for my 04 Impala ss 🤘. 3.4 pulley and power logs, tune and I take and I'll be happy 😁
@antonjimmy5636
4 жыл бұрын
A popular set up in Australia is the put the NA heads and inlet on the L67 and turbo it, im trying to convince my friend with 4 L67s in his shed to do this. I think there's a VN Commodore in Perth (Australia) thats gone 8s on a SBE L67
@franciscoribeiro6223
Жыл бұрын
Richard, could you please test the old ford v6 from the mustang 94 to 2005
@anthony8362
Жыл бұрын
I hear the series 3 3800 heads had bigger valves in them and people swap them onto the Series 2 and even older blocks
@tuningwithstyx
4 жыл бұрын
Definitely something funky going on in that old test. Lots of guys will struggle to run a pulley smaller than 3.4" on the stock motor without a camshaft or intercooler due to the PCM detecting knock. The factory exhaust could have been a limiting factor in those old tests with the ported heads too, you can get headers for these things dirt cheap on Ebay still though if you wanted to redo this test. I think more people realize the M90 needs a lot to make it work well though these days. I think more people would be interested in seeing the results of a turbo build on this and see how far it can really go without being limited by the 4t65e transmission. I would love to see more RWD builds of these out there in addition to my own :p For intakes it'd be cool to see a comparison of the factory N/A intakes vs a fabricated hat for the blower intake. I would think the factory N/A intake should be able to make more power especially down low. I wonder if a custom grind cam would help here too. A lot of the vendor camshafts that were developed 15-20 years ago all seem to be pretty conservative camshafts by today's standards. Anything is better than a factory camshaft but I wanna try to see if I can get a camshaft with a really high duration (higher than something like the Sttattama ST5 cam) and just see what happens haha. Stattama STR6 is the biggest cam that I've heard of for these engines. ST5 or Intense's stage 4 blower cam is probably the next best that is readily available
@gpgt1
2 жыл бұрын
You're probably loosing a ton of timing due to knock past the 3.4 pulley.
@brandonpayne1207
4 жыл бұрын
Also hit up zzp. I bet they have plenty of old 3800 stuff around for you to play with.
@chasl3645
3 жыл бұрын
Put koenigsegg Freevalve heads on it. Do away with that pesky cam issue...
@79huddy
3 жыл бұрын
The heads weren't the limiter the stock exhaust is probably what caused the ported heads to not perform better
@pancudowny
4 жыл бұрын
Turbo GM 3.8? DUH!! "Big Bang"? Of course! You know there's a bunch of Turbo Buick fans out there, and 4th-gen F-body guys that can't find/afford an LT-1/LS1. So.... Hey... speaking of V-6 4th-gen F-bodies: How about tackling the 60* V-6? Do a "Big Bang" on one w/twin turbos, perhaps? ;)
@GIGABACHI
4 жыл бұрын
Those 2.8L, 3.4L 60° V6s at least sound great unlike the Buick 3800.
@416cubes4
2 ай бұрын
5 years ago I was watching Rich regarding the usual LS shit, now I’m building a car for my daughter. ‘99 Camaro 3.8 SC. Love it
@richardholdener1727
2 ай бұрын
I didn't have a you tube channel 5 years ago
@blownaway4371
4 жыл бұрын
AWESOME 👍 Was just thinking of an external water pump (kinda like the power steering pump) to cycle cool/cold water say, routed to a smaller radiator like ones you see for Honda's) Also, what about adapters from the "metric" bellhousing to the more used Small block. Of course a matched flex plate, flywheel/clutch assy. Then lastly, how are you running the ignition/ECU? What would one have to do to run one today? (Mega/micro squirt??) Thanks
@NitroAl
4 жыл бұрын
Adapter kit for 3800 to T56 malwoodauto.com.au/product/adapter-plate-kit-for-holden-v6-to-suit-ls1-t56/. The ECU is easy and will use factory sensors
@danielwilson6665
3 жыл бұрын
I definitely feel your pain with those unsatisfactory test results. I still have an ‘02 GTP that I bought new. With just under 2000 miles, I started the typical mods. A 3.4” pulley on the M-90 to replace the stock 3.8” piece. Like you stated, the torque came on sooner and would roast the tires with less throttle. The CAI box picked up a little more power but with less restriction, the supercharger whine was pleasantly loud. If you do another L67 test a turbo setup would definitely be better since the upgrade to the Kenne-Bell requires manifold fabrication and the Eaton M-90 tends to loose thermal efficiency at higher boost levels. A good source for better cams and hardcore internal components is ZZ Performance. Your videos are greatly appreciated, Richard.
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
every test result is more than satisfactory-data is always good
@joeseda8102
3 жыл бұрын
The built-in INTERCOOLER is a flow restriction.
@BrockSuire75
3 жыл бұрын
I use ZZ Performance Cams, Heads, Intake!
@punker6506
4 жыл бұрын
Achilles heal of these cars was always the transmission. The 4t65 just wasn't up to the task of handling the power of these motors when modified. Unless you spent $10k on a trans they wouldnt hold up.
@brianmehaffy
4 жыл бұрын
Amen! Went thru 3 of them on my 99 GTP! Luckily 2 of them was covered under manufacturer warranty!
@crgintx
4 жыл бұрын
M-90 was the bottleneck not the heads. They used the same blower on the 3.8 V-6 Ford Thunderbird SC. Modded T-bird SC was a little better but the Ford 3.8 V6 stock heads probably flowed better than the stock Buick V6. The other bottleneck is the exhaust manifolds. The T-bird SC picked up 25 lbs/25hp with long tube headers and 2.5 inch duals.
@crgintx
4 жыл бұрын
The real problem wasn't the engine but the transmission on those older FWD GM's . Weak and horrible.
@dogprowilhelm7630
Жыл бұрын
Kenne Bell makes cylinder heads specific for higher boost engines and more. A high flow aftercooler and if it's liquid to air, try dry ice and methanol instead of water. Although for the specific application would require a custom aftercooler for maximum gains. Roller valve train is a must.
@richardholdener1727
Жыл бұрын
KENNE BELL DOES NOT MAKE HEADS
@fastmonaro05
4 жыл бұрын
Holden Commodores ran the Buick V6 Motor from 1988 until 2002-2003. They also used a Supercharged version which had a M90 Eaton I believe. They are a great motor. Holden re engineered them from the ground up. Great Torque off the line. Last ones had around 158KW and 320NM torque non supercharged.
@allannewton4526
4 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking that this might be the perfect platform for a dual-charging test. It already has a supercharger and it comes with "turbo manifolds" and it looks like at least a few people in the comments agree. Maybe stockish and the the last step in big bang is just throw everything at it...even the kitchen sink if you can find one. But really, I'd like to know if dual-charging has the same compounding boost effect as compound turbos and how a setup like that responds to different compressor sizes i.e. small supercharger and small turbo, small and big, big and small, big and big. Also stock heads and cam vs ported heads aftermarket cam. Lots of cool content to be had with this one.
@richardholdener1727
4 жыл бұрын
I will do compound on this
@The_R-n-I_Guy
4 жыл бұрын
94-97 LT1/LT4 PLEASE! Preferably an iron headed LT1 out of a Roadmaster or Caprice/Impala SS. I have a 96 Buick Roadmaster sedan and I really want to get more horsepower but I don't have money to waste on mods that don't work. I'll keep watching your videos either way cause they're awesome.
@vortecturbo
2 жыл бұрын
Turbo and custom tune with proper fueling system easy 500whp
@macca7941
4 жыл бұрын
Blow the turbo in to the supercharger inlet to compound it. 😁😁
@larsmoservice588
4 жыл бұрын
Can this be done? Maybe use boost reference on the bypass valve on the back of the SC to open it when turbo boost pressure comes on? The engineering explained video shows the supercharger first then pushing through the turbo. To do this right, I'd imagine the supercharger quite oversized for displacement and underdriven on belt pulley sizes so it would make great boost off idle but then fall off as the turbo took over filling in the boost curve on the top. It's being done on production cars, we just need a way to do it affordably and make some real power.
@everydayirace
4 жыл бұрын
GM 3.8sc VS Ford 3.8sc would be cool to see.
@the496elcamino3
4 жыл бұрын
Currently driving a 3.8 buick, those tests had dismal results, so what can my squirrels 🐿 under the hood really do boosted? Boost or nitrous.
@7passu
4 жыл бұрын
Definitely retest it. You a good ecu this time with the most you can get from a stock block, good heads and good camshaft. Then at the end change to the turbo
@girthquake1413
4 жыл бұрын
Try to adapt the supercharger intake. The stock intake cannot mate to the boosted heads which flow more than the N/As, and because of that guys who mod the 3800 typically buy a wrecked M90 supercharger and rip all the guts out of it as a basic housing.
@richardholdener1727
4 жыл бұрын
The NA intake bolts right on-just has additional injector holes
@bert5003
4 жыл бұрын
might contact magnum powers to test one of their superchargers on this also turbo to supercharger setup?
@anttimaki2575
4 жыл бұрын
Would have been interesting to see how hot the iats were with m90(?) and different pulleys. And in general with the testing
@MidnightinSavannah
4 жыл бұрын
Please do a SC 3.8, i get so tired of seeing LS builds because everyone is doing them on YT. It's like the 383 build 15 years ago.
@thefngoat2888
4 жыл бұрын
Ls makes real power duh and so does 383 . I've seen a 383 ls1 engine 566hp 570 torque to the wheels at like 5k rpm on the dyno off just a 4 inch crank and a over bore you'd be surprised also had a sniper efi , long tubes , high rise intake
@MrBlackbutang
3 жыл бұрын
Big Bang with better heads.track back pressure. Please
@MrBlackbutang
3 жыл бұрын
Bad angles on heads for no power gain. The you raise the roof when porting.
@Garageless
4 жыл бұрын
My setup i just did is st1 turbo cam, double roller timing chain, arp headstuds, n* tb adapter to l32/l26 intake, l26 intake, 80# snake eater injectors, balance shaft delete due to double roller, 125# valve springs with manly retainers and im running it with microsquirt
@markcrosby2542
3 жыл бұрын
Please do a dino on the 95 Camaro 3.4 or the 87 s10 2.8
@The_R-n-I_Guy
4 жыл бұрын
What can I do to a 350 Olds to improve oiling without spending a fortune? Can I drill and tap the heads and run drain tubes to the pan? I want to do everything possible myself and spend as little as possible.
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