The theory that Philip looked for the collector to build a portal seems inconsistent with the fact that Philip himself says in Elsewhere and Elsewhen that he wants the collector for something else. Obviously he could be lying, but from his tone that doesn't make sense. I think what happened is that the Wittebane brothers entered the Demon Realm through a leak of Titan's Blood (maybe they saw a witch through it; they were "lured by a witch" according to Jacob Hopkins), but could not return like that. So Caleb built a portal door, and it ended up with his wife/on his wife's estate (it seems quite clear that Caleb's wife was a Clawthorne ancestor, if not a Clawthorne herself). Philip remembered how Caleb built the door approximately but could not reproduce the exact function of the door, so he needed to have the real door before trying to get home. Alternatively, the door already was in the Clawthorne family's possession, Caleb's wife visited Gravesfield and talked Caleb and/or Philip into coming into the Demon Realm. I think the first option makes the most sense with the way Philip lies in his diary, but both are options.
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
are you thinking that caleb left philip in the demon realm? or did i misread your first theory? either way that’s kinda sick
@deciMae
2 жыл бұрын
@@iainthemusic Nah, just that Philip killed Caleb in the demon realm (probably when he realized his wife was pregnant, as displayed on one of the paintings in Hollow Mind), causing him to be stranded, as the portal was with the Clawthornes (either on their estate or in their possession). I mean, it could be possible that Caleb trapped Philip in the demon realm, but that's not the feeling I got from the paintings in Hollow Mind, it looked like Caleb kept believing in Philip until he attacked him.
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
OHHHH GOTCHA ye ye ye i’m with you
@christopheryoung935
2 жыл бұрын
I agree that the brothers entered through a leak. Iirc they entered through Eclipse Lake right? Although I think them being "lured by a witch" refers to Caleb's wife "luring" them back after the Wittebane brothers both make a return. Remember, in Yesterday's Lie there's a drawing of Caleb with Flapjack and Phillip holding a glyph. Perhaps Phillip killed Caleb because Caleb chose to return to the Demon realm. I also like to think that Caleb was able to make a functioning door because he worked with the witches and demons of the BI, while Phillip only used and betrayed them, so he lacked a certain touch of magic that is needed to make a functioning door. Perhaps that's why he carved glyphs into his arm/ started eating palismen?
@NonBinaryWaffle
2 жыл бұрын
I just finished the owl house and have been watching every owl house-related video to fill the hole in my soul made by season 2. Thank you so much!
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
I RELATE thank you so much!
@NonBinaryWaffle
2 жыл бұрын
@@iainthemusic I know the second season was sooo sad!
@nobody-ny2pj
2 жыл бұрын
I am a long time fan of the show and well i have some trauma
@tysondennis1016
2 жыл бұрын
My theory is that the Clawthorne ancestor liked using the portal door she made to visit the human realm. A pair of young witch hunters, Caleb Wittebane and his younger brother Philip, followed her into the Demon Realm. To cover more ground, the brothers separated. But while Caleb was able to let go of his preconceptions, Philip wasn’t. Years later, Philip and Caleb reunited, and Caleb was married to the Clawthorne ancestor, who was pregnant with his child. Outraged, Philip killed his brother, and the now-widowed Clawthorne hid the portal door in the woods where it’d remain for centuries, so no more humans like Philip Wittebane come through.
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
oooooo yea that could be it too 😮
@libbyhowlett1920
2 жыл бұрын
Caleb is the original door builder. The brothers got to the Boiling Isls via the pools at eclipse lake. Caleb then build a door with the help of the Island. He was willing to be open about learning about this new world (similar to Luz) so the Island gifted him what he needed to make the portal. Caleb later gets murdered by Phillip. Caleb's wife (a member of the Clawthorne clan) hid the portal from Philip. Philip later makes his own portal, but can only get to the mirror dimension. While in the mirror dimension he meets The Collector. The Collector tells Phillip where to find his "Moon Mirror" and becomes Belos. This also explains why he keeps cloning Caleb. In Hollow Minds, Hunter mentioned that he helped in building the new portal. Belos doesn't clone Caleb because he misses him. He does it because Caleb was always better at building/crafting stuff and needs him in order to build a proper portal home. That's my theory.
@AwesomeAme
2 жыл бұрын
aaaaaa this owl house theory is so good, iain!! omg
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU AAAAAAAAA
@lloydcarter8487
2 жыл бұрын
i came back to rewatch the theory, and OMG - AME! YOOOOO i don't know why i didn't notice it was you before but hi
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
AME IS THE BEST
@lloydcarter8487
2 жыл бұрын
YEAAHH AME IS GREAT
@AwesomeAme
2 жыл бұрын
AAAAAA WHAT? WHY ARE YOU BOTH BEING SO KIND AND SWEET TO ME?? WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE THAT? IAIN YOU'RE THE BEST LLOYD YOU'RE GREAT (also omg hi lloyd!! oh - while you're here, go check out iain's music, i think both you and rhys would enjoy it a lot! listen to all of it, but in particular, listen to: end of an era, hollow, titles are hard and so is love, and goodbye to me)
@knightrise3503
2 жыл бұрын
This makes SO MUCH SENSE, SOMEONE ELSE MADE THE PORTAL. When Belos was introduced in season 1 and asked Eda for the portal we the fans thought that his plan was to take over the human realm but in season 2 we now know that belos just wanted the portal to go home and kill every witch on the isles Soooo, by that logic, this means that the witch/demon who made the portal has the TRUE schematics and blueprints on how to build it, and hid it somewhere on the isles 🤯🤯🤯 But that's just a Theory....A FILM THEORY!!!!!
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
right? so according to that, NO ONE KNOWS YET WHO MADE THE DOOR AND THATS NUTS but hey it’s just a theory! 😂
@knightrise3503
2 жыл бұрын
@@iainthemusic Unless the witch/demon who made it must of time traveled to the future maybe that's why know one known
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
maybe? but it seems to me that lilith and luz were the… “first” to time travel?
@knightrise3503
2 жыл бұрын
@@iainthemusic But then was the one who found it and wrote it in the book "History's Top 10 Plot Holes" for Luz and Lilith to find the time pool and go back in time?
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
you right, got me 😂😂😂
@liammiles9188
2 жыл бұрын
I never thought about Philip not building the door before, and this makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the fun video!
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
thank you for watching!
@eugeneking9687
2 жыл бұрын
Yo dude, this theory seems legit. I like your vibes, so I'm looking forward to more videos from you. + Looked at the description I didn't notice the blurryness at all - so no worries man ++ That cartoon owl is so damn adorable.
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much homie omg i really appreciate it
@LupBlup
2 жыл бұрын
i really like the thought that it wasn't philip that made the portal! this all makes a lot of sense to me Oh and that owl character you talk through at parts of the video is so cute! did you also draw? because omg the TALENT you possess!!!
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much! the owl emote was done by the same person who did the emotes on my twitch! www.twitch.tv/awesomeame does hella good art, on twitter they are twitter.com/an0fficialloser?s=21&t=O80xcnG-FMZkIUImHZkw3w
@LupBlup
2 жыл бұрын
@@iainthemusic oh wow thanks for sharing their account!! i'll be sure to check them out also really like your videos!
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
thank you very much! ame is a gem and also a fantastic person
@LupBlup
2 жыл бұрын
@@iainthemusic she sounds lovely, and if those cartoon owls are anything to go off of, she's very talented! love findin new you tubers and artists and creative ppl in general to follow, so thanks for making this theory i'm happy i decided to watch it
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
thank you for being here omg i appreciate that so much you have no idea
@lloydcarter8487
2 жыл бұрын
I just finished binge watching this show the other day, and I really could see this being true! I think I like this idea more than some of the other theories I've come across as well. I also like the way you presented everything.
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much!!!
@lloydcarter8487
2 жыл бұрын
@@iainthemusic You're welcome! Cannot wait to see the music focused content you have on the way too!!
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOUUU
@tadeolaguarda6965
2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what i was thinking, agree 100%
@owlinbard5652
2 жыл бұрын
wow i found my new favorite youtuber! so pumped for more videos from u, especially interested in the music focused ones
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
AAAAA THANK YOU SO MUCH THATS SO KIND AAAAAA
@owlinbard5652
2 жыл бұрын
@@iainthemusic ur welcome! so jazzed to see more from u
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@Alterego912
2 жыл бұрын
My theory is that the door was actually completed by Caleb and his Clawthorne wife(?). Perhaps the witch used a naturally occurring portal to go to Gravesfield in the first place?
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
ooooooo nice
@angelic428
2 жыл бұрын
I mean this is less of a theory and more of an explanation, as nothing really was hypothesized, but i agree. this was always how i looked at things but i’m glad someone agrees. i think theory territory is more so this: we know Caleb married or atleast fell in love a witch that looks very similar to the Clawthorns in Philip’s mind. For theory’s sake and understand the shows attention to detail, i’m going to assume that caleb and that witch gave way to the current clawthorn family (there are a lot of connections backing this us but that’s a whole other thing). Here’s the thing, that witch brought the brothers there. He knows she has the door. Philip may want to go home but Caleb didn’t, leading him to lie about the door being destroyed but also helping Philip make a new one as to not be suspicious. Now a multitude of things can happen that contribute to Caleb’s murder. But I think it isn’t just that he fell in love with a witch because in the memories it takes YEARS for him to be murdered. I think Philip found out he lied about the door, killed him, and then we seen the unknown witch also curse or just hit Philip with a spell in the memories. I think this is how he partially knows how it works, but also like- he builds a new one now also because he has a broken portal and can reverse engineer it to some extent. He’s not a dull person he’s very cunning and so this isn’t out of the realm of possibilities. I this gives more depth to Philip and his brother, the murder, the door locations and the Clawthorn bloodline and how he knows partially about how the door was created. Another thing is that he wanted collector for probably the genocide, but also maybe complete the door. Philip again partially knew but the collector told him about the titians blood, a substances which he may not of known of or just not have known it’s origins and precise use.
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
yea that makes a lot of sense… it would be interesting to find out the full extent of the “caleb to grimwalker” timeline, also how caleb and phillip ended up fighting (as we saw in phillips mind)
@KingBobXVI
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing much to add, but yes, this has been my theory as well - I think it's pretty clear once we know Philip = Belos that Philip must have not completed the door, especially once we see it reconstructed. I don't think, however, that Philip came to the Boiling Isles via the portal either. I think the part of the book in Eclipse Lake was telling the truth - he arrived because of the natural portal created in the lake because of the Titan's blood. He would have learned about the portal later - possibly from a Clawthorne, who possibly also had the original door and allowed Caleb and Philip to use it to travel between realms, which we know they did a number of times (from the pictures in the old book in the historical society). I suspect that the door remained in the possession of the Clawthorne family, and once he killed Caleb, he was run out of their village, separating him from his access to the portal, and giving him a need to figure out how to construct a new one fully. The Collector of course likely could have showed him how to build the portal, yes it wasn't his only goal, but given The Collector's expanse of knowledge on magic and how much he taught Philip already, it's likely he taught him that as well. Also, if Philip eventually suspected that Luz "the crab maiden" was indeed from another time (how would he have known that moniker if he hadn't asked around? The lady would have told him she came from the ground, and he likely would have at some point learned about time pools), he could have focused on instructions for the portal in his diary specifically as bait. Eventually, as he gained power, the Clawthornes hid the portal by their family graveyard. This is also why Eda is a wanted criminal, but he never really goes after her - he knows the portal is in the family, but doesn't know where, and knows if he just arrests them they won't tell, so her being "wild" is largely a convenient excuse to keep eyes on her and watch for her using the portal. Maybe.
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
interesting, you raise a couple of points i didn’t think of!
@Melody-zr4xq
2 жыл бұрын
But THAT'S JUST A THEORY great vid, great theory
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
A FILM THEORY thank you!
@ricardobautista-garcia8492
2 жыл бұрын
This video has inspired me to have more questions than answers. All I can theorize is that Philip donated the library knowing that Luz would find it later as she attempted to return home. It explains his inaction towards Luz when she destroyed the portal. He also knew of the ultimate betrayal by Lilith. Originally, the brothers may have travelled to the Boiling Isles after the disastrous events that plagued the town. This leads to the question as to who built the door? Was it collaboration? Was it the witches, possibly the Clawthornes? Was it the brother? In addition, the official wiki states that Philip wanted to create a portal to show other humans regarding this place, however, I believe his intention was revenge from the mysterious attack, and may have been distracted by the wonder of the Boiling Isles as well as indifferent to all beings in general. Or maybe he learned about the Collector and saw an opportunity to get the ultimate revenge. There is a contradiction between what he says in the diary and what he does, thus revenge may have always been his goal while writing himself as a hero due to the following: his ego; to avoid suspicion from witches; and to ensure Luz would attempt to find him (this is after they meet). Thank you for sharing and apologies for the convoluted theory.
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
don’t apologize! there’s a lot of questions and like… cool things to talk about. you bring up a lot of interesting thoughts!
@misssleepwalker6256
2 жыл бұрын
THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE also cool! ur a musician? cannot wait for those music focused videos in the future
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
YEA! and yes i am! thank you so much! im also pumped for the music focused videos too
@chainman624
2 жыл бұрын
Your theory is interesting, but I believe there is another missing link to your theory. How does Phillip not know what a Titan looks like? If Bill had been alive for let’s say, 80-ish years (I’m guessing his age) then we probably would have seen a few Titans in the past running away from the trappers. And we must also know that Phillip is like 440+ years old. He should’ve seen a Titan at one point or another. And with the Collector at his side, he should have identified King instantly as a Titan. So with this other plot hole, we must question. Was Bill 440+ years old too? Did Phillip know King was a Titan, and just wanted to petrify him so the Collector couldn’t escape? Or is the Titan’s blood in the Key connected to the door somehow? And if the door was originally made by the Clawthrones, do they have a connection to the trappers somehow?
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
YO HOLY SHIT I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT
@user-xb9dk7fm1w
5 ай бұрын
Actually, I have a big theory. That King dad Made it by sacrificing his eyes And then made hootie.
@jonathanho1451
2 жыл бұрын
Nice theory!
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
thank you!
@Lolo_225
2 жыл бұрын
But he did rebuild the door he just couldn’t power it without the key or titans blood.
@iainthemusic
2 жыл бұрын
but he rebuilt it with the destroyed parts of the original door
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