I really appreciate the amount of effort you're putting into these.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
And I, yours, Othias. You guys set the standard for sure.
@scholagladiatoria
8 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Matt. Nice to have you by.
@nocturnalemission6822
5 жыл бұрын
Only a with a manstache such as that can you command such respect from your subordinates!
@mattarmstrong9205
8 жыл бұрын
Great video! You remind us that these old rifles aren't just outdated , antiquated relics of a time past, but rather a snapshot of history. The science and attention to detail you display in your videos show how at one time these ruled the battlefield and have interwoven themselves into our history as Canadians. Point of interest, my grandfather shot his first whitetail with a snider Enfield 😉. Keep up the great work Rob, and I'll be damned if the federal government shouldn't give you some sort of grant to help your research, 🤔
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt. You are very kind with your take on the channel. Grant? This government? Not a snowball's chance in hell, I fear... :-) Though, wouldn't that be cool..... the possibilities...
@TwentythreePER
7 жыл бұрын
I used to shoot muzzleloaders for fun and in competition at the National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association in Friendship, Indiana and I know how much of a pain they can be. You don't know frustration until you put all your efforts into consistently cleaning, loading, and firing just to miss then, cleaning again, loading again, and firing again just to miss again. Especially when you have a bad day and you can't seem to shoot for shit no matter what, that's when you think "Man this sucks. Why am I doing this anyway? I just want to go home." I know the feeling, that's why I don't shoot much at the NMLRA these days. So, sincerely, with the utmost respect and empathy, thank you for your efforts, they are greatly appreciated.
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
Your understanding of the realities of BP shooting are spot on!.... :-) Cheers.
@freddieellis8449
6 жыл бұрын
It never ceases to amaze me, the fact that you can actually SEE the bullet dropping onto the target! So often we think of projectiles as flying way too fast to see but these old war horses, despite being slower and more cumbersome, still prove that they can hit like Mike Tyson! Also, you're patience is beyond compare, sir! I know for a fact that I would have lost my rag by the second day and launched the rifle into the valley and left it there forever more! Hahahaha Just goes to prove though, that a methodical approach is the ONLY way to succeed! We all salute your tenacity, I'm certain. Much love.
@britishmuzzleloaders
6 жыл бұрын
Seeing the bullet does depend on the lighting being just so and the range being of a decent stretch... and typically you can only see it on video or if you we looking through binoculars... That said, they aren't going that fast. Glad you enjoyed it!
@showato
6 жыл бұрын
I finally got a Parker hale 2 band, I will be doing a living impression of an Imperial Japanese rifleman Bakufu during the Boshin war of 1868-69. who had been armed with Enfield rifles. In time I will do a British Ghurka as well. Thank you for the videos! It made me committed to Black powder!!
@britishmuzzleloaders
6 жыл бұрын
What a great find! Hopefully you'll get to a point where you can shoot it!
@kevincampbell7270
7 жыл бұрын
Hiya Rob,again another great show.I spoke with you a few days ago regarding problems with my P/HNaval model .Just to let you know that your Gods smiled upon me over here in France this last Sunday.Admittedly it was only @50m but I achieved my best group since owning it 7 shots (!) in a two inch group due to a severe reduction in powder from 65grns to 40 of Swiss.It was a long time in finding out about this rifles peculiarities but a great relief to me because I know how well these rifles are built.Cheers and thanks again Kevin.
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
HI Kevin. Very happy that you have had success... so much of getting these to shoot well is putting in the time for experimentation....
@bmp130
8 жыл бұрын
I must say not only are you a great shot, but a great camera man! haha. The camera angles, editing etc are superb! Well done Rob!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words. Very glad you enjoyed it!
@marktroiani9184
7 жыл бұрын
New viewer referred by Forgotten Weapons. I've enjoyed it. Your discipline is to be admired.
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Mark. Ian was very kind in mentioning the Channel.
@Badwolf75
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another fine video. Truly one of the finest channels in the Western Hemisphere.
@foowashere
8 жыл бұрын
This. ^^ This is the correct answer. :) And I feel that it can be said with some confidence that he's bested the eastern hemisphere as well.
@michaelkokot8700
8 жыл бұрын
So glad I found this channel, you can really tell how much care and devotion you put into your videos. The editing and production value is worthy of 1 million subscribers.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Very happy you enjoy things here on the Channel. You kind sentiments are very appreciated. What brought you here? A search for "rich, Corinthian leather"?.... :-)
@MrPh30
8 жыл бұрын
Very good movies you make . Much thanks from a Norwegian gun and rifle bug .
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
You are welcome! Thanks for stopping by!
@ICBMPIRATE2
8 жыл бұрын
Hats off to you Sir another lovely video
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@snidertom8971
8 жыл бұрын
awesome, remember a bad days shooting is far better than a good day working. Also I too am a big fan of the .303 case and oily rag for blackening sights!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Hear! Hear!
@jjem6345
8 жыл бұрын
Another beautifully done with attention to historical detail video! I'll bet those flies are nasty out there. Thanks for all of your hard work and passion that you place into your videos! Cheers from Florida.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind words. Very happy that you enjoy the clips. Cheers.
@michaelgilbreath7696
7 жыл бұрын
Enjoy your videos. I had a Springfield 1863 replica, but it was hopelessly inaccurate. I now shoot a model 1863 Sharps 3 band military rifle that is very accurate.
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad you find them interesting.
@idontknowwhatiamdoinganymo1615
6 жыл бұрын
I never realized how tall and heavy these rifles are like I'm 5'6 and I recently got to hold a Enfield and the thing felt 7 feet tall and you just carry it along with such ease like it's as light as a feather.
@britishmuzzleloaders
6 жыл бұрын
They certainly aren't little bits of plastic, that's for sure.
@richardwillett
5 жыл бұрын
Back in my ACW reenacting days we used the 3 band P-53 because the longer length was safer for the front rank men and there ears!
@britishmuzzleloaders
5 жыл бұрын
The may be so, but that has no historical bearing in British and Empire service whatsoever... A modern consideration for sure. Cheers!
@trailheads313
3 жыл бұрын
Really awesome video, extremely informational and well executed. This dude is a BOSS and I'm sure his shoulder was sore after this. I really appreciate the time and effort put into this, like wow. Love it, and he helped me decide to get one too. Thanks comrade in arms
@britishmuzzleloaders
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers.
@cphillips237
5 жыл бұрын
Very Instructive!! Thank you for the history and explanation of difference between these two fine English rifle muskets.
@britishmuzzleloaders
5 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@pikeywyatt
7 жыл бұрын
Now up there with the most informative gun sites on U.T.thanks.
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@pikeywyatt
7 жыл бұрын
YOU keep an OAP in uk very happy.just love thing's that go bang.with or with out wheels.thank for all the effort and info you put in to your videos..THANKS
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
tony Wyatt Do I detect a former Gunner?.. :-)
@aaniasdoggiepur2600
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent videos. Viewed quite a few of them and found them to be very informative. Cleared a number doubts that I had of certain weapons. Thanks a lot for your efforts.
@britishmuzzleloaders
3 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome! Cheers!
@anonhunter5191
8 жыл бұрын
Once more an excellent and inspiring video on black powder rifles, thank you Rob.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
@rossmoir7995
8 жыл бұрын
Another great video. When ever I see one of you're videos in my subscription list it brightens the day! You certainly showed dedication with that pesky p61 there. I'd have given up after 40 shots haha. However an excuse to head up into thoes hills and shoot would change that I suppose.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
It wasn't so much that it wasn't shooting, as much as my zero was off.... Just had to adjust things and it was all OK!... :-)
@bootyourface
8 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy the quality of your videos! Was fun and informative to watch.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Happy that they appeal. Cheers.
@hokehinson5987
Ай бұрын
We shot an 1858 armisport rifle which was deadly accurate at 100 meters on center but about 6 " high on elevation. Using the standard U.S. minie .575 -512 gr projectile. A book: 'jack hinsons private war' confirms that muzzle loaders are deadly. Over 101 confirmed kills upon union riverboat officers from a vantage point of the surrounding hills.
@britishmuzzleloaders
Ай бұрын
Nice!
@johannesvanhoek9080
4 жыл бұрын
Great video and enjoy all the hard work you put in to making the comparison ,,,, 👍
@britishmuzzleloaders
4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@BushcraftWoodsDevil
5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thoroughly enjoyed watching it!
@britishmuzzleloaders
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@M80Ball
8 жыл бұрын
Excellent video as always.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@bigtrev9043
2 жыл бұрын
2 band!! In all seriousness though, your vids are excellent Rob. They're an excellent resource. Best wishes from a proud P58 owner!
@britishmuzzleloaders
2 жыл бұрын
Cheers! Glad you enjoyed it!
@thomasfontaine414
3 жыл бұрын
Puzzled by the sudden deterioration of the P-61's group as it seemed to be doing very well in the beginning. Did something come loose that shouldn't have? Plowing through clouds of insects perhaps? I lived 10yrs in the E. Kootenays, I can relate.
@britishmuzzleloaders
3 жыл бұрын
Insects, that was it...
@duncanandrews1940
8 жыл бұрын
Good job again Rob and thank's for the name check!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Duncan, it was such a good idea, I had to give the credit where it was due!
@bernerbar7886
8 жыл бұрын
Dear Sir, many thanks for this splendid video.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
You are quite welcome. Cheers.
@stephansnider2982
8 жыл бұрын
Jolly good job sir...as always!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you, as always.
@esejony65
8 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Gesicht42
8 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, everytime I log in on KZitem I first look (with great hope) if you uploaded a new video. It's the months event on KZitem! Your videos are unbeatable! I would be glad if you expand your topic to French or German muzzleloaders some Time. Especially German, because the German states issued different calibres and weapons to their men and did not only used the Minie-Bullet. ;D
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
As much as I appreciate other countries weaponry, and I do find them interesting, I find that I am not quite "there" yet. The Dreyse, in particular has a bit of a draw to my ammunition manufacturing side, for sure!
@pmjn0943
8 жыл бұрын
yet another great video ,very interesting, and I load my springfield with 63 grains of F2 I'm now thinking to drop down to 60 grains of f2, something to look forward to and practiceone day I will get around to buying a three band p60, Thank'you.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul. Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks. If there is no reason to change the charge then don't, I say... If you are going to, then make sure to pick a range and test each load to find the best performing one... Then you'll get the most satisfaction from you rifle. By the way, there is no such thing as three band P60... All three band Enfield are P53s... :-)
@pmjn0943
8 жыл бұрын
hello, thank 'you I meant the last of the 3 band parker hale Enfields , they hold there value here in Europe and are not cheap, but to have a rifle the was built with the original tools from the 1850s must be worth waiting for ......................................... my Minie balls after casting are recalibured to .577ins.. and weigh 620 grains......my shots with 63gns of 2f went allways top right of the target that's a 100cm by 100cm target at 100 meters distance. obvioursly holding bottom left corner to get the shots in the middle and I haven't being able to get my group tighter than 8ins. i'll keep watching your videos..that's part of the fun and adds to my intrest in black powder shooting.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Paul Newmarch Wow.. That's one heavy bullet! Must have quite a wallop. As you have experienced, these rifles typically shoot high.. Have you measured the bore? You should be able to get things down to about 6"... In my experience, that's about as good as they get, and that is WAY better than the historical standard. That's with minimum 10 rounds. If your Figure of Merit gets to around 2" then I found that's where things seem to top out. Cheers, and happy shooting!
@astridvallati4762
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent and Truly scientific Outdoor tests...your shoulder must be Blue after this. I am a BLBPcart. Conversion collector ( Sniders,Albinis Springfield Trap Door, etc.) and I intend using a similar test schedule on my rifles. Thanks again, Saved to my HD. Doc AV
@britishmuzzleloaders
2 жыл бұрын
Naw, it's OK.
@Deweyfd13
8 жыл бұрын
I must admit I enjoy watching these videos immensely. I haven't gotten in to black powder yet, mainly staying with my Mk1 No3 and my Mk4 No1 Enfields. But what I enjoy is how you present how these were used in the order of the day. Not just load and shoot but kit and drill as well. Have you or do you have any plans or thoughts on possibly doing a video on the (I believe) P37 equipment? Little new for what you normally do but I would love to learn how it was configured and worn. With the overwhelming amount of information on the web hard to know what is accurate and what isn't.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike. Glad you enjoy things here on the channel. I have a set of '37 but I typically don't use it much .... Maybe one day, when I do a No 4 video... Sound OK?
@versal339
8 жыл бұрын
Another great one. and as Funky said. "Of course you have no 9mm cases."
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Haha... of course! Cheers.
@murphysmuskets
8 жыл бұрын
Damn fine shooting if you ask me and excellent presentation! Especially considering the ungodly amount of bugs!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Murph. They were rather thick...
@murphysmuskets
8 жыл бұрын
britishmuzzleloaders I'm also really starting to appreciate "figure of merit" in the past I never gave such formulas much "merit" but as your videos have shown it does help simplify the process of comparing groups.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
murpheysmuskets Not to harp, but the FoM really is a better way to judge how well a rifle is shooting. It does, however, need a little more effort to get it, what with all the calculations. After that is done though, it's all there for you to see!
@JayRaxter
8 жыл бұрын
Man..I love watching your video's. Only problem is I get the 'gotta-have-its' for a black powder firearm and, as my wife says, I already have too many modern ones. :) Great video!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
You know, if she doesn't give in, then she'll have to listen to all the wishing, and pining, and overall grumpiness that comes with not having one.... :-)...... Her choice.... haha.. Thanks!
@LionSilverVideos
8 жыл бұрын
First off, You make wonderful videos! Secondly, you have nerves of steel with all the bugs flying around lol... and I thought we had it bad here in Louisiana.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much! It was a particularly bad day up there.... Good thing the moustache acts as a filter...
@pathfinderpreston2538
8 жыл бұрын
Another great video! I would have put my money on the p61 due to the greater twist.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
I think that this shows that the difference between the two isn't as pronounced as one might expect. Not definitive, of course, but interesting none the less.
@sloanchampion85
6 жыл бұрын
Very nice and interesting...but it seemed like the 61 got more of an opportunity to get settled 8n than the 53...the 53 only got one round, seems like the 53 with the longer barrel would be more accurate...enjoyed it
@britishmuzzleloaders
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, you are right.. a more comprehensive test would be required to arrive at a more definitive conclusion... They shoot about the same as the P61 has a faster twist and heavier barrel.
@LUCA302
7 жыл бұрын
Really nice these videos! I'm watching them all! I like to see the operation of the British and Scottish army weapons, with these reconstructions that make us live the historical context in which they were used!
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Just to be clear.... there was no "Scottish" (National) Army in the Victorian era..... :-)... Scottish units in the British Army (and about the Empire), yes...
@LUCA302
7 жыл бұрын
I'm an ignorant in the matter! thank you!
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
Not a problem! Just thought that you'd like to know, that's all... :-)
@Hunter4042012
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video. I just wish you had more subscribers, you defiantly deserve more.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind sentiments. Glad you enjoyed the clip.
@petermartini8346
8 жыл бұрын
Rob, Seems like you might be a bit partial to the 2 band rifle since it got 3 chances to the 3 band one chance :). Also how about the wind humidity conditions each day?. Those flys look like they would drive me crazy :)
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Tell me about it, eh?... Things were a bit blustery but not ridiculously so. The weather ws good for the "shorts" outings, and cloudy and wet for the "pants" outing.... The bugs were really bad, but I bathed in bug dope and that kept them at bay enough to concentrate for a shot.... :-)
@SteveAubrey1762
4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this channel! This is the closest we'll get to the School of Musketry at Hythe! I have a reproduction of the P53 manufactured by ArmiSport/Chiappa. After googling the barrel stamps, it appears it was manufactured in 1977! I bought this rifle new, in the box, in 1993. I realise the Parker Hales is the best, but could you give your opinion on the quality of these old ArmiSport guns, please? Very best regards, JA
@britishmuzzleloaders
4 жыл бұрын
HI there. I have never owned an Armi-Sport P53. I have owned a Euroarms version though... the bore was very large at around .582 and getting bullets to properly fit was a bit of a chore. The lock was serviceable but lacked the solid feeling that an original or, to some extent, a PH lock has. It was a fun way to get my feet wet in the era, for sure.
@torturedtale49
8 жыл бұрын
Fascinating ... again. Thanks.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
You are welcome.
@jakeyboi6642
8 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@SaltySargefox5
8 жыл бұрын
Noticing the movement of vegetation in the background, I wonder how much wind drift plagues shooting results in your tests? Anyway, a thoroughly entertaining and informative video, as usual!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
The wind was not inconsiderable but quite consistent, so it's effect would have been equal for both rifles and for all, if not most, of the rounds... May have impacted the MPI, of course.
@AlfJDale
8 жыл бұрын
Ahh,yet again you entertain me to the max😀Regards from Norway,Alf!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Alf!
@JohnyG29
8 жыл бұрын
Great video....as always old chap.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@stevensheldon9271
3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video that details the difference between the P53, P56, P58, and P61 muskets.
@britishmuzzleloaders
3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't this one do that to a degree?
@stevensheldon9271
3 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders I'm still confused on the metal of the hardware, the barrel twist rates, the sight gradations, etc. I feel like there could be a great dedicated video that shows the lineage and differences of these guns.
@matthewspeller
8 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your methods, looking forward to more videos!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matthew!
@Interp66
8 жыл бұрын
Another great video buddy!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@Afro408
8 жыл бұрын
Good video once again! You know, they did use spotting telescopes, back in those days. ;)
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Yes, I am aware of that.. :-) Mine isn't good enough to spot the holes at 400, though...
@Afro408
8 жыл бұрын
.....and you wouldn't have as much fun shooting at the gong! :D
@JamesTaylor-tf7fd
6 жыл бұрын
Best channel on KZitem. Brilliant.
@britishmuzzleloaders
6 жыл бұрын
Cheers.
@majormassenspektrometer
8 жыл бұрын
I have a question. It's known that the P58 with its faster twist and 5 groove barrel is more accurate than the P53 then why did they use the P53 at all after it was known?
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
After the research I have done, the difference between the two is surprisingly small. This test sort of proves it.... The real difference is between the slow twist short rifles (the P56/58) and the fast twist ones (the P58 Naval, P60/61). This is supported by practice and testimony from those who shoot these competitively out to 800yds. I don't have a huge amount of experience at those ranges but the consensus is that the fast twist short rifle only begins to hold a bit of an advantage over 600 yds. The long rifle being a match up to that range. In all my testing and shooting of these two, there is not really any practical difference at the ranges I have shot them. As for the general use of the short rifle, it must be remembered to keep things in the right context. This is still the era where the reach of ones bayonet, defence against cavalry and close quarter fighting were all still very much real. A long weapon was relatively important. Cheers.
@majormassenspektrometer
8 жыл бұрын
britishmuzzleloaders Thanks for your reply. Then all I've read about the P58 Naval gun with its 1:48 twist is not really so significant as some posts on internet forums might make it seem to be. I've read something like during competition shootings shooters with the P58 Naval rifle would lose 10% of their score from start to those shooting the P53 because of its "inherently" higher accuracy.
@wittywilf
4 жыл бұрын
I visited HMS Warrior at the Royal Naval Dockyard last year and I saw those rifles. They have loads of them and they were all made by Parker Hale.
@britishmuzzleloaders
4 жыл бұрын
Sadly, all in relic condition....
@stevenwinnen9104
5 жыл бұрын
I do have to say you have the most prettiest shooting ranges ever. Need to break out .my 2 banded Enfield. Down here below your below your boarder (U.S.) They call almost all two banded Zoave's, which i do not get as there are No Nomenclatured Rifles I can find with that.
@britishmuzzleloaders
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, an American euphemism.
@timholt8141
2 жыл бұрын
Love the P61.
@britishmuzzleloaders
2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@RobertBrown-iz8if
Жыл бұрын
The Army of Northern Virginia tested rifle accuracy and determined that the 2 band Enfield was best so they tried to reserve these for their sharpshooters. Their testing had the advantage of using multiple new rifles.
@britishmuzzleloaders
Жыл бұрын
Do you have a link or reference for that? Cheers.
@RobertBrown-iz8if
Жыл бұрын
"Shock Troops of the Confederacy" by Fred Ray. "...the superiority of the Enfield rifle for service at long range, from 600 to 900 yards, was clearly demonstrated..." "Every short Enfield which came into possession of any of our men was taken away and given to these men (the sharpshooters)". A soldier in Mahone's brigade reported that the sharpshooters used "a long English-made cartridge. We never used any ammunition made by the Confederate government." I would swear that I had seen another report about the testing but couldn't find it in my books. Of course, it may have been on a website. You might also be interested that they reported sharpshooters firing at such long range that they set their sights to max range, then aimed at the tops of the trees behind their targets. PS Looked some more and found that the quote about "superiority of the Enfield" seems to have come from "Lee's Sharpshooters" by Major Dunlop. He was describing a demo during training in 1864. Sharpshooter units had been formed in 1862 so there must have been earlier demonstrations. @@britishmuzzleloaders
@TrueStrongNorth
8 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. I'm currently taking my p53 muzzlerloader hunting for mule deer in Saskatchewan.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Nice. That sounds like a great way to do it. Cheers.
@kevincolliss2877
5 жыл бұрын
Ive carried an 1858 ph for about 38 years and only had 1 deer present itself for a shot. Some rifles just seem to be jinxed
@sandmanhh67
8 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video mate. The interesting part is that even the worst grouping seems to have put enough shots into a group comparable to your upper body at 300 yards to show a competent rifleman would take a static man sized target down with most shots. I wouldnt want to be the poor sucker charging a line of Victoran riflemen armed with the Enfield.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. Definitely a powerful weapon in the right hands.
@rebelbiker9956
7 жыл бұрын
I actually have the 2 band version, I reenact as a Jäger, and for now I will keep use it (waiting for the money for a Jägerstutzen) thanks for all the infos
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome!
@Mike_858
7 жыл бұрын
Beautifully shot (pun intended) and as always very informative. And I know the the fickle nature of the muzzleloader gods all too well, sometimes they give me hell too. Defiance like you've shown is the only way!
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
Huzza! Push on through! Cheers.
@csscomander
6 жыл бұрын
If you are ever open to suggestions for video ideas, why not try to do a comparison video comparing the p53, springfield model 1855 or later model, and Lorenz rifle to see which is the best most accurate shooter and overall infantry rifled musket. All 3 were used against each other in the American civil war on both sides so would make for some interesting history and fun muzzleloader shooting
@britishmuzzleloaders
6 жыл бұрын
I never mind suggestions, at all. I don't own any of those rifles. Not that there is much to choose between them. They all shoot the same kind of expanding ball and are, except for the Lorenz, nominally 58cal. If I come across one of them, it might do for a comparison.
@ballkeeper6662
7 жыл бұрын
if you ever get a chance to chronograh these wonderful rifles
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
You know, I haven't... I always go for the best performing load and that is typically less than the service version... Chances are that they are shooting a bit slower.. They are still good for 700yds...!
@fredebouchard4181
5 жыл бұрын
Hello Mr. Rob, I really enjoy your shooting, reloading and historical videos. I really want to get started on muzzleloader and I was wondering where you buy those beautiful rifle. cheers Fred
@britishmuzzleloaders
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Fred! The Rifles are from all over... googling and knowing what to look for, mostly...
@ReconstructedYankee1882
Жыл бұрын
You know as an American Civil War reenactor I did find a bullet that were fired from the P56 short rifle at Gettysburg and I still own that bullet today
@britishmuzzleloaders
Жыл бұрын
How did you know it was fired from a P56 Short Rifle?
@ReconstructedYankee1882
Жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders It said on a label when I picked it up at a souvenir shop. It was revealed to have been fired from a Rebel Sgt Maj.
@britishmuzzleloaders
Жыл бұрын
@@ReconstructedYankee1882 Wait,... it said on a label that it had been fired by someone 200-50 yds away from where it was found, during one of the most intense battles of the American Civil War?.... Sorry,... not a chance.
@ReconstructedYankee1882
Жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders maybe he missed the target but I can see that
@erg0centric
Жыл бұрын
Excellent idea on blackening. I will use a discarded 30-30 case as I value my 303 cases too much.
@britishmuzzleloaders
Жыл бұрын
👍
@JohnyG29
8 жыл бұрын
"Men of Harlech all eat garlic..."
@hugowolfgang
8 жыл бұрын
Hallo und wider ein sehr Schönes Video danke für deine Arbeit Mit freundlichen Grüßen Hugo
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome Hugo! Thank you.
@Thebonesoftrees
8 жыл бұрын
brilliant video :)
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Cheers.
@Al96ex3
8 жыл бұрын
Tally Ho Lads! Great Video my Friend! Greetings from Germany!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much!
@normalcitizen_1
3 жыл бұрын
These guys: three or two band Me an intellectual: clamp it in the vice and use duct tape
@britishmuzzleloaders
3 жыл бұрын
Sure.
@stevensheldon9271
7 жыл бұрын
Clearly the reason for your initial lack of accuracy was because the bullet had to plow through so many flying insects on the way to the target. :)
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
Haha!... very buggy that day....
@flyingninja1234
8 жыл бұрын
The P53 was used in the American Civil War, by both Union & Confederate armies.
@Ben_not_10
5 жыл бұрын
Oddly enough reports I’ve read from federal sharpshooters was that the Springfield 1861 was preferred. But if possible, a sharps infantry rifle was ideal.
@B_Squadron_Y_Patrol_Planchet
8 жыл бұрын
used to black off iron sights with an oil soaked patch in a used casing 'a la candle' in competition :)
@B_Squadron_Y_Patrol_Planchet
8 жыл бұрын
and just seen the end of the video ..... good ideas never fail :)
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Glad I included it in at the end then!.... :-)
@JaHa216
5 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders I know this is a very late comment, sorry for that. You just keep watching these great videos over and over again and always learning something new! Came to mind, the traditional way to blacken sights in Finland was to set piece of birch bark on fire and use that. Makes very heavy matte black soot, great on sights. Try it, you may just like it! 😀
@britishmuzzleloaders
5 жыл бұрын
@@JaHa216 Thanks! When I come across some birch bark, I'll try it!
@gareththompson2708
4 жыл бұрын
If both rifles have similar accuracy at 300 yards, and the shorter one can be conveniently loaded while kneeling, I think my preference would be for the the shorter rifle. - However, that is only considering its value as a firearm. Considering that at this time the standard infantry weapon still doubled as both firearm and polearm (still technically true today I suppose, but the importance of the bayonet has waned to the point that no one much considers it except for training aggressiveness in boot camp), its value as a polearm must also be considered. Unless it comes with a longer bayonet the shorter length means that it will have less reach, and thus it will suffer somewhat in its effectiveness as a polearm. - However again, if the army is specifically requesting a shorter rifle that may be an indication of the waning importance of the polearm role. So the advantages gained in its performance as a firearm may carry greater weight than the disadvantages incurred in its effectiveness as a polearm. - edit: Re-watching the video, I see from the photo at 2:52 that the P61 did indeed come with a longer bayonet, which should make it roughly equal to the P53 in the polearm role and confirms my theoretical preference for the P61 (theoretical since I haven't actually handled or fired either weapon). I will leave the above thoughts unedited though, as I think the design compromises necessary to make a musket that is effective both as a firearm and a polearm are worth considering and, at least until the advent of breach loading rifles, should not be dismissed.
@britishmuzzleloaders
4 жыл бұрын
HI Gareth. Either weapon can be loaded with ease from the kneeling position. The Short Rifle came about due to two things. The former issue of a lighter and handier arm for Sgt's of Infantry (their fusil) and the use of the same in the Rifle Corps. The length was of particular request by the Rifles, as it was seen as being more handy and lighter for light infantry work... which by the time of these rifles wasn't a socialized role for them at all. All infantry were trained in light infantry drills by this time... The Rifles were equipped with the P51 for the Crimea and later the P53 until the Short rifle could be made in enough quantity which perhaps plaid a role in their requests for shorter rifles. So it boils down to one thing... tradition.
@string-bag
8 жыл бұрын
Well done, I really enjoy your videos.
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad you find them watchable!.. :-)
@karlbraun5382
Ай бұрын
Jolly good show chaps...well done. Just purchased a new in original box 3 bander Parker Hale!!!! Now getting the knowledge to shoot black powder again. Had a Muskatoon 40 odd years ago. Is there a 'home made lube mix' recipe out there?
@britishmuzzleloaders
Ай бұрын
50/50 Shortening/Beeswax
@RabidMortal1
8 жыл бұрын
@12:53 ..."Damn" You are more restrained than I would have been :)
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
There was a lot more *%$%^&%#$*&%*^%&^%!!!!.......... *(&%^%*&^$^&%&^%!!!! after the camera was turned off... :-)
@RabidMortal1
8 жыл бұрын
Good to hear! A penchant for punctuation is what makes us human after all! :)
@geppogeppo8545
2 жыл бұрын
I have an original 3 band P53, in excellent condition (paid € 1,200 with bayonet), marked VR, Tower 1857 with the Lee mold 575-500-M # 90481 and 3.9 grams of Swiss black powder No. 3 it doesn't miss a shot. Ciao dal Tiro a Segno Nazionale di Milano
@britishmuzzleloaders
2 жыл бұрын
Great find!
@SteveAubrey1762
5 жыл бұрын
This is like looking through a window in time to the School of Musketry at Hythe Outstanding channel! Where can I get a mould to make Pritchetts for my enfield?JA!
@britishmuzzleloaders
5 жыл бұрын
NOE Moulds makes a version. Mine is a custom mould from Brooks Moulds in Montana USA...
@SteveAubrey1762
5 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders Thank you so much! JA
@HerrGesetz
8 жыл бұрын
Great channel
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.
@johndally7994
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video, Rob. It is one of the first to spark an interest (my wife calls it an obsession) with these Enfield rifle muskets. I thought the artillery carbine, or musketoon, was the P61, and the two band was the P58. Did the artillery carbine come out at the same time as the improved P58? It looks like you shot the same Pritchett cartridges in both rifles. Have you tried a minie or trashcan bullet in the shorter rifle? I'd be very happy if I got your results at 100 yards. I wouldn't even attempt 300 yards at this point. Well done.
@britishmuzzleloaders
6 ай бұрын
The modern and commonly understood designation for these rifles comes from the Parker Hale model line produced in the 1970s. It does not reflect the actual extent of the family or arms. The patterns produced were (here goes)...... The P53 Rifle-Musket, P53 Artillery Carbine, P55 Sappers and Miners Carbine (Lancaster) (later Royal Engineers), P56 Short Rifle, P56 Cavalry Carbine, P58 Short Rifle (Bar on Band), P58 Naval Rifle, P60 Short Rifle, P61 Short Rifle, P61 Artillery Carbine, the P61 Cavalry Carbine.
@johndally7994
6 ай бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders Thank you so much for that list, Rob. I hope you write a book. Cheers
@smokybob63
2 жыл бұрын
In regards to your P53, at what range did you zero your rifle? And what sight picture did you use? I would assume I should use a 100 yd zero with a half sight. Under the premise of the three sight pictures referenced, Fine, Half and Full. I have a just installed new sights on my P53 Repro and will be zeroing it in soon. I will be using the Pritchett rounds from PaperCartirdges and a load of 60 grn FFF. is this a good load workup to start with? Sorry for the extensive amount of questions.
@britishmuzzleloaders
2 жыл бұрын
Remember that every rifle will have it's own sweet spot, which will probably not correspond to anything historical. My P53 has a slightly modified backsight in order to get a better zero. It has a very small notch and therefore only has one sight picture. It is zeroed at 100 with a 6 o/clock hold. Somewhere between 50 and 70 gr FFg or slightly less of FFFg will be the range of loads for most work up activities..
@HypocriticYT
7 жыл бұрын
Parker Hale was a marking on Italian made Enfields, as a free option. www.euroarms.net/Avancarica/AVHTM/EN330.htm I purchased one at auction without parker Hale mark for $200 less than the one marked Parker Hale. Both made by the Italian company. Parker Hale my well have made modern Enfields but I don't know of these.
@britishmuzzleloaders
7 жыл бұрын
These are all made in Birmingham Parker Hales... The Italian ones began with older British parts and then switched to their own.
@davidbriggs264
6 жыл бұрын
Two things. First, if I was going to try that, I'd also want to shoot the P53 from the same location as the P61. And secondly of all, are you just out in the wilds of BC, or are you on an actual firing range? And if it's an actual range, who owns it and how big is it.
@britishmuzzleloaders
6 жыл бұрын
Wilds of BC.
@spencermurphy5796
2 жыл бұрын
I have two questions here. Number one, if you were to go on a deer hunt with either rifle would you take the P53 or the P61 ? Secondly number two, I have been looking into getting a 2 band or 3 Band Enfield rifle. Should I aim for an original or settle with a reproduction ? If reproduction is Parker Hale the best one out there out of them all ? Thank you for the great video. I cant get enough of these videos, because of your content Ive stopped using modern firearms for hunting and target competitions and have started going into Muzzleloading. Your Snider Vids made me drive the State of Virginia to pick up an 1857 Snider Rifle and I watched your vids to reload for them. Next up is going to be a ML Enfield and a Martini. If only I had enough rifle assembly knowledge to build a Baker Rifle kit from the Rifle Shoppe.
@britishmuzzleloaders
2 жыл бұрын
Nice! AS far as deer hunting.. Typically shorter is better....
@anthonydeveno9028
5 жыл бұрын
That was interesting. I wonder what the numbers would be on a 1861 Springfield rifle
@britishmuzzleloaders
5 жыл бұрын
Identical to the P53... unless you factor in the Amercian style cartridge... then I'd say slower...
@anthonydeveno9028
5 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders what about the p53 with American cartridges. As they were also used buy American soldiers in the civil war
@britishmuzzleloaders
5 жыл бұрын
@@anthonydeveno9028 The Springfield and the Enfield are essentially the same. Muzzleloading rifle-muskets. So they do not inherently have any loading advantage over each other. Any difference would come from the type of cartridge used. The British style of cartridge is faster to use than the American (Union). The South used (officially) the British type of cartridge although they used whatever they cold get their hands on.
@anthonydeveno9028
5 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders what is the difference between the Amount (union) cartridge and the British cartridge?
@britishmuzzleloaders
5 жыл бұрын
The American cartridge has the bullet, tip pointing out, whilst the British type has the point facing in... The American needs the bullet fully removed from the paper whilst the British uses the paper wrapped around it.
@steveww1507
8 жыл бұрын
Ill have to take out my p 51 , have not shot here in a bit great vid
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
You have a P51 Minie Rifle?
@steveww1507
8 жыл бұрын
sorry p 53 lol I have a 61 Springfield and a 42 Springfield I get mixed up lol
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
Steve WW1 Ahh.. I see... I was going to launch into a whole bunch of questions about where you got your mould from and if you are shooting cartridges, etc.... Thought I'd confirm first.. :-)
@steveww1507
8 жыл бұрын
Im sorry buddy I understand though i too go though all the effort to do it right .. but it is a lot of fun though . keep up the great work
@Roddyoneeye
8 жыл бұрын
Is it likely that your powder charge was the principle pest in your calculations ? I've understood that at ranges greater than 200 yards, "Lighter" charges tend to be much more affected by weather (wind, direction of wind, humidity, and optical distortions not consciously noticed by the shooter) ?
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
The loads for each rifle were arrived at after many hundreds of rounds using all kinds of combinations... I am confident that they represent the best for each rifle.... :-) Both rifles have been shot regularly at 300 using the gong and part of my frustration was that the Short Rifle was off it's zero when that load and sight setting typically get the job done.... That's the muzzleloading Gods for you.... Cheers.
@keithmoore7390
8 жыл бұрын
the trouble with blackpowder is you have rebuild your shooting position for every shot unlike a breechloader, hard to get consistency, you mentioned the Brits changed powder, did they put additives in or was it more proportions and mixing methods? a thought, you might have had some wind issues there, I know from experience terrain can throw some curves to you when the wind picks up!!
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
It certainly has that disadvantage, doesn't it. I wouldn't call it so much "a problem", as it is a factor in shooting consistently. Apparently, J2 was made with dogwood charcoal... so it wasn't as much "additives" as it was ingredients. The wind was consistent for the shoots. It probably had a bit of an effect but, as it was generally the same for the whole time I was shooting, it probably effected all the groups the same...
@keithmoore7390
8 жыл бұрын
britishmuzzleloaders dogwood charcoal? it seems funny that the type of wood would make a difference, but every recipe I see has a different kind so I guess it does? but you'd think carbon is carbon and it wouldn't?
@britishmuzzleloaders
8 жыл бұрын
keith moore Just quoting from CH Roads...
@keithmoore7390
8 жыл бұрын
britishmuzzleloaders I wouldn't call it an additive either, by that I mean I know they were starting to experiment with chemicals on the way to smokeless I thought they might be trying a little guncotton added in? from what I remember most armies started around the 1860's
@thomaszaccone3960
2 жыл бұрын
I remember reading somewhere the 1858 naval musket was more accurate than the 1853. What the article said was the longer rifle had issues with vibrations which were less of an issue with the shorter, slightly thicker barrelled naval musket. At 300 yards, the longer sight radius of the 1853 would be a definite advantage. Is it possible the shorter barreled rifle was more accurate at 50 to 100 yds and the longer barreled rifle more accurate at 300 yds?
@britishmuzzleloaders
2 жыл бұрын
The historical indications were that the first pattern short rifles (which had 1-78 twist and light barrel) were sub-standard to the P53. By making the changes WRT rifling and barrel weight, that parity was restored.
@cammofreak5
4 жыл бұрын
I was wondering what exactly you were using for ammunition and where to possibly get a mould! I have two p53 3 band enfields and ive tried using two different types of ammunition and both unfortunately are very inaccurate and seeing the results of what your using I would definitely be interested in at least giving the pritchett a go. if you wouldnt mind throwing a bit of info at me id be much obliged sir!
@britishmuzzleloaders
4 жыл бұрын
Hi there. There are a number of videos (admittedly quite old) on the Channel dealing with what I use for the Enfield series of rifles. That said, the only commercially available mould is from NOE as of now. They offer a .55 and a .568 version... be careful with the latter as your paper needs to be quite thin in order for it to work. Thee .55 version performed better with a base plug that can be made with NOEs plug mould.
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