I was reading a study that said the biggest thing we failed to teach Gen Z was how to fail. We have a whole generation that thinks if they fail, they are done and they can't answer the question of, "you failed, now what are you going to do?" They were never taught how to pick themselves up and to move on. Parents thought they were giving their kids advantages, instead, they crippled them. Like it or not, everyone fails at something at some point. If you don't know how to recover from that, what happens next?
@priscillaa.8548
2 жыл бұрын
I think you hit the nail on the head. Learning to lose is a great character-builder, and gives you motivation to do better or try something different.
@TheJadedJames
2 жыл бұрын
In order to “learn to fail” the cost of failure can’t be paramount, there has to be less pressure. You don’t learn ti ride a bike while being chased by wolves, you learn on empty streets where falling won’t be so bad. Having to take a class over should be an inconvenience, but the stakes are a lot higher than that
@ScottyKirk1
2 жыл бұрын
As a hiring manager I can attest to the fact that some of these kids coming out of college have never been told NO! They've had everything handed to them and they are not prepared for the real world where everyone doesn't overlook your shortcomings and says you're doing a great job constantly, regardless of your lackadaisical attitude or much less job performance or pronouns.
@nhmooytis7058
2 жыл бұрын
I’m 70 and the most valuable life lessons I learned from falling on my arse.
@izzzy03
2 жыл бұрын
true.. new generations look like spoiled brats...its not just fault of parents and society but also technology.. we call new generations "Google kids".. if they dont learn or get something ASAP they lose interest and motivation and their focus go on something else...all that is good base to get bunch of kids, that if they learn something at the end, that would be just some facts without ability to process those information and be a "thinker" in situations when something goes wrong :)
@Bird_Law_
2 жыл бұрын
My first year of law school over 1/3 of the students failed out or left. The following year we got an email asking how the school could change to retain more people. Every class grade was based almost 100% on the final exam, so I responded "students could be told upfront, learn the material or quit before finals". I had to get special permission from the dean of the school to go full time while working full time because I needed to support my wife and child. They made it very clear that if i didnt meet the standards to pass i would be kicked out, no exceptions. So for years my day started at 6am and ended at 2am if i was lucky, but I did what I had to do to learn while I earn. I graduated on schedule with my class May of 2020 just after Covid hit, but I still managed to keep the same job through school, get my law degree, and get licensed. I'm not special in that respect, but there is nothing worse than hearing the person in class with no job, school paid for, and/or all the free time in the world talk about how school is unfair because it requires too much from you... then quit. The school doesn't need you, the classmates putting in the time don't want you, and society doesn't need people entering life changing careers who arent willing to sacrifice their free time to learn the material in order to be qualified for the job. Careers in the medical field, legal field, and other fields where you get 1 shot to do it right the first time is not designed for people who are unwilling to do what it takes.
@JDAFri2
Жыл бұрын
As a college professor, I salute your hard work!
@johngittings281
Жыл бұрын
You worked incredibly hard to get the career you dreamed of. I’m willing to admit that I haven’t had a work ethic like yours, but unlike a lot of people in that boat, I’ve accepted that the effort I put out is what I received in return. It’s not like I’m lazy or anything. I did receive a bachelor’s degree in journalism and currently work as a reporter. However, if I could go back and do it all over again, I would have chosen a better social circle (which I had ample opportunities to do in the good schools I went to, but foolishly didn’t do), had a tireless academic (and athletic, considering I loved sports as a kid but wasn’t blessed with much natural ability) work ethic, and pursued my first childhood dream of becoming a doctor. I salute you for putting in all that time and effort to get your law degree, and you hit the nail right on the head when talking about other students who had better circumstances than you and still complained about how hard things were and how they wanted almost everything just handed to them.
@jokermtb
2 жыл бұрын
My architecture school required us to take 3 calculus classes. I failed each one the first time round. Did all the homework, sometimes 3x over every night, and I’d still fail the exams. It almost stopped my university career, but somehow I squeaked by passing each one, collecting C and D grades. But I discovered a lot about myself and am a veteran architect today. Bones only grow under stress, and dealing w failure is crucial in life.
@carolthedabbler2105
2 жыл бұрын
I hated calculus, and might well have changed my major if my scholarship hadn't required that I do math. So I'm curious -- how much have you actually used calculus in your career as an architect?
@jokermtb
2 жыл бұрын
@@carolthedabbler2105 while I actually learned how to calculate rotational surface area (the pinnacle of my calculus career), in my entire architecture career (30 years and counting), I have NEVER used calculus. Ironically, after passing my last calc. class (2nd try again), the university dropped the calculus requirement entirely! I was a bit miffed, but I remain proud of myself for getting past something my brain architecture was clearly not cut out for…..
@carolthedabbler2105
2 жыл бұрын
@@jokermtb I'm not surprised you never used it. I was a math teacher and a software engineer and never used it either. My husband just retired from doing electronic circuit design, and says he actually did use calculus -- once. I assume it's mostly needed by structural engineers.
@ptv8113
2 жыл бұрын
We’ll done. All that is correct. And none of it has anything at all to do with trophies
@michaelkovalsky4907
Жыл бұрын
@@carolthedabbler2105 Same, I can't remember the last time I had to do any math as a software engineer. Logical thinking is important, but honestly that can be taught with anything really.
@geekdiggy
2 жыл бұрын
i would like to remind the people who complain about the participation trophy generation: it wasn't the kids who wanted those trophies. it was their parents, who didn't want to feel the heartbreak of seeing their child learn what loss was; parents who didn't want to feel like they raised failures. parents who are chris christie's age now.
@robertbarncord6341
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's my generation and I wish I could say it wasn't us but it most certainly was. I never had kids, however, I watched nearly all of my friends who had kids actively engage in this nonsense. On behalf of Generation X, I formally acknowledge our needy stupidity.
@Djamonja
2 жыл бұрын
I think it is a mistake to say it was a "generation" that promoted "trophies". It was a culture that developed over the last couple decades within a certain segment of society that many people and parents opposed.
@jamess.2491
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah honestly I hated my parents for being really tough on me when I was young but now I realise that it was actually extremely beneficial, I look at other people in my generation and I'm just like "what in the fuck". Maybe it's because my parents were a lot older than normal, so they actually remembered what it was like to be a PARENT, not a friend to your children.
@nalokitten
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad someone is finally saying it. Those parents suck...I was seeing it happen with the kids a few years younger than me...And now look. America is as soft as buttercream..Congrats guys...🙄
@Jockustoe
2 жыл бұрын
@@Djamonja yeah, my dad got flack for giving stat awards to kids on the team for iron on patches for our sleeves. We only lost 1 game in season and whipped them in the playoffs. Many games were scoreboard shut-offs.
@PlantsFood4
2 жыл бұрын
As someone in academia, I’ve seen the the difference from COVID in college entry classes. When I took anatomy at community college, we knew the instructor was hard but fair. Only five students passed out of 30/35 and it wasn’t an issue in 2010. This mentally is also being seen in K-12. We are lowering teaching requirement standards due to shortages instead of supporting them while also allowing parents to bully and have their way.
@jsheav
2 жыл бұрын
Im a chemical engineer and loved organic chemistry. I will note the the premeds in the class we're more likely to cheat on homework assignments and find old exams rather than actually learning the material. It kinda scares me that these hyper competitive neurotic types will one day be people I take medical advice from...
@mr.x8259
2 жыл бұрын
I flunked organic once, had to wait a whole year to take it again. Went from an F to a B.
@ns-uo7it
2 жыл бұрын
As someone who was premed in college and took and passed organic chem I and II, I have to say that the subject is ridiculously difficult. I loved nonorganic chem. I’m a good student, I studied all the time, A’s in almost every class, yet those were the two classes that really tripped me up. It’s not the professors’ fault. The students need to sink or swim, and perhaps modify their study habits.
@TaxTheChurches.
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I wondered how hard the class was. Science classes never seemed to me as hard as literature classes because the answer to the former’s test question was in the book or teacher’s lecture. After trying to read my literature teachers’ minds for 4 years, I took a computer class and thought I’d entered a new world.
@vidsbyme2590
2 жыл бұрын
I might also add smaller classes, tutoring, extending the class to two semesters and adding 1/2 practical application etc. I have to wonder if the school tried to solve the problem or just remove the problem. Sounds like the latter. In the letter the students never asked for the teacher to be removed.
@lupowins
2 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing about how difficult organic Chem was, and a decent number of students would drop the class. I guess with the obscene prices of tuition dropping a class isn’t much of an option anymore.
@jokermtb
2 жыл бұрын
Calculus nearly derailed me…..
@davidwilliams6966
2 жыл бұрын
Just make orgo optional, not necessary as practicing physician
@shannonbrice8012
2 жыл бұрын
In our province we had a very good education system. Then in the late 80's early 90's it changed drastically. Kids with behavioural issues we no longer in a separate class. It would be cruel to separate them for the other students and friends, even though it completely disrupted the class. Then it was kids could not fail no matter what (didn't matter about attendance or grades), because it would not be good for their social development. I dealt with kids who went through the educational system and "graduated" but could not read or write at all. These kids tried to go to university and failed miserably (our university has over 50 percent drop out rate). Professors would come from other provinces or countries to teach and were so frustrated on how much they had "dumb" down the curriculum. Students who were studying to be teachers wrote the most atrocious papers and the T.A. could not penalise for grammar or spelling. If the T.A. could not understand what the paper was trying to say they had to talk to the student for them to clarify and then mark the paper on the clarification.
@rc0ll18
2 жыл бұрын
The most insane thing to me is when people like Bill and Melinda Gates give donations towards things like equitable math. I can understand some blue haired humanities professor trying to argue that 2+2=5 because she's never had to do anything important in her life, but you'd think the a founding member and long-time CEO of the world's biggest software company would understand that no, not all answers are in some way correct. There are ancient gods that are more forgiving than source code.
@morbidmanmusic
2 жыл бұрын
Our school was in the top 6 in the country many years. We all,were stoned and doing acid while getting good grades! Im bills age.
@TheRealStevovo
2 жыл бұрын
Pathological altruism. Seems "kind" at the time but degenerates into this kind of scenario
@Jecoopster
2 жыл бұрын
If one person fails a class, they’re a bad student. If the whole class fails, the professor is bad.
@JB-1007
2 жыл бұрын
Love how bill can sit down with even people like Chris Christie and still have a laugh
@Antonio-yg7io
2 жыл бұрын
That would be a bridge too fall for people in the bubble
@sgenetti77
2 жыл бұрын
@@Antonio-yg7io It really shouldn't be. At least Christie appears sane (here) and is somewhat self-deprecating. These are the kinds of conversations people that have any critical thoughts in their head should be having with each other exactly BECAUSE it's uncomfortable because it forces you to press back against your inherent biases when someone is directly in front of you.
@Antonio-yg7io
2 жыл бұрын
@@sgenetti77 I was making a bridge-gate joke
@nataliiateteruk585
2 жыл бұрын
@@Antonio-yg7io he did not answer exactly to you but to the general apprehension
@davidgoldman9820
2 жыл бұрын
you can't polish Christies shoes
@malavoy1
Жыл бұрын
When I was in grad school I had a roommate who was a Biochemistry grad student. He was the teaching assistant for the organic chemistry class taught to pre-med students. He didn't have much nice to say about their skills or study habits.
@sharoncohen318
2 жыл бұрын
I think the average college student, at least in the STEM fields, spends just as much time if not more studying than our parents’ generation. And because of the internet, the expectations for content covered and the scope of the projects has only gotten larger. Having hard courses is fine, but professors that assume students should spend 25 hours a week only on their course, and then still give out C’s to most of the class, should really re-consider if that’s necessary and constructive.
@paulinegallagher7821
Жыл бұрын
Getting degrees is easier than it used to be precisely because of the internet. I went to college for the first time and completed a four-year course after years of working in a menial job and after getting my honours degree, i feel like if i can do it anyone can, and i didnt work that hard for it either. The one thing i did notice is that lecturers are incredibly lenient and todays young men and women are lazy and have very little going for them in terms of common sense and critical thinking.
@theotheronethere4391
Жыл бұрын
Well, that lies the other problem, grade inflation. For most of academic history, Cs were seen as the "passing" grade and was the expected average that many (if not most) students were going to get. That is why you see so many stories of past famous people "x or y had bad grades when they were in school", because that was what they gave out then. "As" were rarely given and only to truly exceptional folks. However, of course everything has change. A = average and everything else is failure. The average GPAs for colleges has surged. That philosophy has basically overtaken everything from Uber Ratings (5 or bust) to Amazon reviews.
@sharoncohen318
Жыл бұрын
@@paulinegallagher7821 I think that's complete BS and unsubstantiated.
@chelceafarrar-jackson8352
2 жыл бұрын
ORGANIC CHEMISTRY WAS TE HARDEST CLASS I HAD EVER TAKEN. Don't think any organic class is easy. Thank God for the curve
@jp9094
2 жыл бұрын
Organic Chemistry as a make or break course for entry to medical school is a North American phenomenon. Nowhere else in the world does this apply. Medical School entry in most of the rest of the world is directly from High School!!
@joel.6359
Жыл бұрын
When I was at Penn State, freshmen engineering majors were informally know as pre-business, because a large portion didn't make it through those first year engineering classes.
@rossp561
2 жыл бұрын
Electrical engineering and Chemistry was our "weed out" course. The C curve was usually around 35-40. We knew it and toughed it out.
@alandrine203
2 жыл бұрын
As a recent college grad with some knowledge of orgo chem, that is an extremely complicated course. I wouldn't't necessarily agree that college students are complaining about how hard things are but some people don't realize that not all teachers and professors teach the same and I think that may be one reason but then again this is up to both student and teacher. I also agree that college students really do not know how to study. In a number of my classes, my professors pointed out to the class that we had no idea how to study and all students agreed.
@davidcorwin4999
2 жыл бұрын
Why do they create a problem where one doesn`t exists? I got two little league trophies in 1962. One for making the all star team and the other was for playing on the Dodgers, ie. my participation trophy. They both sat on my shelve for years and had equal value.
@williamdecker3989
2 жыл бұрын
Don't get Chris Christy high, he'll get the munchies!
@Hyperpandas
2 жыл бұрын
Bill doesn't quite have this right. Word is, the students didn't ask that he be fired. No idea if his course was appropriately difficult or not. If it was, this is silly. If it was a professor teaching an intro class like it was a second year med school class, that's something else.
@briane173
2 жыл бұрын
To be clear, the school is not renewing his contract. But by any other name it's still a firing. For the worst of reasons: NYU doesn't want to piss of parents and legacy donors. Gotta keep the gravy train rollin'.
@purplehaze8557
2 жыл бұрын
He was let go against the chemistry department’s recommendation. The students, the majority of which are pre-med, had a petition running to get rid of him. The director of undergraduate studies in that department, emailed the professor saying there was a plan to let students have their grades reviewed or the possibility to withdraw retroactively from his class. This is an insult to any teacher...
@Hyperpandas
2 жыл бұрын
@@purplehaze8557 Again, the reporting has all been that the petition didn't call for his termination. That appears to be an assumption some people have made.
@user-bi1iz9wh4n
2 жыл бұрын
The best thing that a parent can do is to try and instill moral values & a proper work ethic in their kid(s) from as young of an age as possible. The rest should take care of itself.
@vitd5283
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't that what republicans say they are doing?
@DNA350ppm
2 жыл бұрын
@@vitd5283 It seems to me the republicans say one thing and do the opposite. For them school is not about education, but a way to sort out those who have rich parents from those who haven't, so that those on top in society can position their kids in the top of the society again, just like the school system in UK does and has done for generations.
@ViFabulous
Жыл бұрын
@@vitd5283 While living like a bunch of amoral, anarchists ready to overthrow the results of a legal election because their clown didn't win.
@chrino21
2 жыл бұрын
The petition did NOT ask for the Professor to be fired. That’s a lie.
@jackdelorenzo8498
2 жыл бұрын
I have to say, as much as I may not care for Chris Christie, he has a good point, as do those who place responsibility for the PTC on the parents to the point where their kids expect something just for showing up. That being said, I would have liked to hear how he teaches. I took organic chemistry as a CUNY student, and I struggled. I'll admit, as much as I love math and science, this was particularly challenging. However, my professor welcomed any opportunity to sit and discuss where I needed to improve. At semester's end, I think I got a C+. I wasn't enthusiastic about that, but I was just glad I didn't fail. If this professor is condescending or behaving in a way that's unprofessional, the students may have a case. In the same breath, the way tuition has skyrocketed, it's almost like a diploma is a product, rather than a reward. It sounds like our education system could use an overhaul. I'm not necessarily unopposed for everyone getting a prize in a competition; I just don't think they should be equal prizes. There's a tremendous difference between the student who just takes up space and scrapes by with a "D" than the valedictorian.
@cantrell0817
2 жыл бұрын
Giving participation trophies to 6-7 year old kids is a good thing. It's a problem only when it continues as they grow up. The competition should intensify.
@ncolvin05
Жыл бұрын
It's in high school and middle schools, it's creeping up the chain.
@blaketindle4703
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe college shouldn’t cost sixty plus grand a year. What a scam!
@bingosunnoon9341
2 жыл бұрын
I taught at a private college a few years ago. I was not allowed to give anyone a "bad" grade which is anything but an A+, A or B+.
@mbern4530
2 жыл бұрын
One thing she forgets is that British universities cost less because the government subsidies them. Foreign students don't get that help and their tuition will cost much more. Universities cost a fortune everywhere.
@blazinex
2 жыл бұрын
For 50k-70k a year I would expect competent TEACHERS not lecturers to impart classes.. people that actually care that students learn. If 50% of your class fails probably the problem is you
@tomprosser849
2 жыл бұрын
Spoken like a trophy non-earner
@mathiassigneben2882
2 жыл бұрын
In colleges and universities, you are supposed to learn the curriculum by yourself. They may make a shitty exam sometimes, but in most cases, it is your own fault if you fail.
@Cwgrlup
Жыл бұрын
I love this guy.
@AthenaSaints
2 жыл бұрын
3:12 every parents in USA need to make their children Detroit Lions fans.
@RMDole19
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve already begun that process with my 3 lol.
@jpalmer1967
2 жыл бұрын
Chris Christie cracks me up. "You're a funny guy! No really, you're a funny guy!" LOL...
@brysimm404
2 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe no one followed up on why Christie’s kids don’t attend less obscenely expensive universities, since that comment was what prompted his anecdote.
@troybonner91
2 жыл бұрын
2:20 she makes a good point. No matter if it's the parents paying or the students paying, many people simply can't afford screw-ups. In the past, if you screwed up some classes you'd just retake them and learn from your mistakes. Now it's "I just can't afford to retake these classes" so I have no room for error. Because sometimes students just don't have good semesters. The answer isn't to dumb the courses down but to make college less expensive. It's a much more interesting point to make than the typical Republican answer of "well it's just entitlement". Yeah, there's some of that. But coming from the perspective of one who worked customer service in retail for a long time, I can definitely speak to the entitlement attitude of the older generation. They are often the most bratty acting customers. So I don't think this is a generational war. We have to return to the 'cost of college' debate.
@kenhasibar2624
2 жыл бұрын
When I was a coach, I told my players, repeatedly: "if you don't like losing, play better." It has always been that way. I've never had patience, nor tolerance, for whiners.
@BigSnipp
2 жыл бұрын
Just because you're whining doesn't mean you're not trying.
@kenhasibar2624
2 жыл бұрын
@@BigSnipp Do, or do not do - there is no try. Whiners? I guess that's the new age, P/C term for bitches. Whiners make excuses. Win or lose, players play; they don't whine. Whiners make excuses for their ability to get beaten. They don't own up and accept the facts of how many ways they suck. 🍻
@ShanetheTutor
Жыл бұрын
I took Organic Chemistry with Professor Maitland Jones when he first came to NYU from Princeton. He was one of the best professors I ever had. He gave me A's in both semesters and even offered to write me a Letter of Recommendation. I was able to tutor Organic Chemistry after taking his class, and managed to score in the 100th percentile on the MCAT, which I currently tutor. I fondly remember his lessons when it came to Synthesis: "Don't thrash." Most pre-med students prefer to memorize a list of reagents and do hundreds of problems without ever wondering about WHY things happen and why you use the reagents. Organic Chemistry is axiomatic and can best be summarized as the relationship between nucleophiles (Lewis Bases) and electrophiles (Lewis Acids). Dr. Jones taught you how to think, and wrote the best textbook on Organic Chemistry there is (Third Edition is the one I used). It is a travesty to hear that all it took was a 'petition' of entitled brats who should have spent their time STUDYING instead of externalizing blame and playing the victim. It is depressing to see the standards of my alma mater nosedive like this. The untenured professors in the NYU Chemistry Department are probably updating their CV's tonight, because they have no job security whatsoever. The pre-med program at NYU is going to experience a major brain drain in both faculty, and the number of students who score well on the MCAT. Who will they blame then? Will they write a 'petition' to eliminate the MCAT because someone 'hyperventilated'? Are these the doctors you want in your future?
@ptv8113
Жыл бұрын
And?
@waynedyer2873
2 жыл бұрын
At least 50% of the blame goes to college administrators who give in to such ridiculous demands!
@MrFreofanatic
2 жыл бұрын
A fantastic book called "The Fragility of the American Mind" addresses this whole thing.
@HarryGuit
2 жыл бұрын
In his somewhat 1930s novel „City of Cats“ the chinese writer Lao She described the day of the start of their studies when these „students“ interrupted an inaugural speech for being bored and demanded to be handed out their diplomas right away without an further ado. That‘s where it‘s going!
@supersonique...
2 жыл бұрын
oh BTW: I've studied at one of the "Top 10 outside of the USA MBA Program" for about 4k$ per year tuition (in 2006-2007). MBA is certified / recognized all over the world. We just don't have to support costly sports teams/programs and the University's C suite salaries aren't in the millions... Here Businees Schools are focused on teaching, not on sucking students' wallets dry.
@jamoore2581
Жыл бұрын
I'm in cc now , there are questions that just don't make sense and a lot of trick questions. I been 8n the work force in the same field I'm studying and never seen questions like that
@luckyDancer100
Жыл бұрын
As someone who went back to school later in life, I was fairly astonished at the lack of grammar/spelling from younger students (the 18-21 crowd). This doesn’t include everyone of course, but I remember we had to participate in these online discussions and respond to a few ourselves, etc. There were a lot of commas/periods missing, run-on-sentences, and misspellings from college level students. I was a bit shocked.
@salmonjason4470
2 жыл бұрын
great guests. thanks Bill!
@edwardrhoads7283
2 жыл бұрын
I acknowledge organic C is painfully hard and usually half the students fail. It is a weed out class. I acknowledge that pre covid this teacher had accolades. However, we must all adapt and evolve. By that I do not mean dumb down the class or lower the bar. What has gotten swept under the rug is that this teacher could have done some things to aid his students but would not do so and that seemed to be a big part of the student petition and a big reason he got fired. You always want to be there for your students when you can. The biggest thing we college instructors can do to aid our students is have lectures online especially the ones we had to videotape during covid. I include them for my in person classes so if the students find they did not understand something they can go to those lectures and watch and rewatch them until they understand. By the way this is not giving the students a chance to be lazy but giving them another avenue to put in some work and the best students absolutely will do it and love that those online lectures are there even if they find they don't need to use them. Plus for those of us who put in the work during covid, we have that already for them and are doing our students a disservice if you do not let them use it. We are in an online age and we have to adapt to that. If you cannot you will at some point find yourself on the outside. Now did the university overreact? It is hard to tell but I can see the universities side in this. To show my bias in this I teach Astronomy at a university.
@brianmiller1077
2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you, but you better get the VPs of Finance and IT on your side - All that storage isn't free. I will say there was one time in my college years on the 80's that I had to go to the library to find and old text book because the teacher and the book were not getting the point across to me and several of my fellow students. Sometimes a different POV helps.
@edwardrhoads7283
2 жыл бұрын
@@brianmiller1077 At our school we have that infrastructure built into our Canvas system.
@hock3yb3ast7
Жыл бұрын
Christie is great! bring him back on the show
@CanadaYo
Жыл бұрын
I'm a Sunderland fan I know the pain.
@nhmooytis7058
2 жыл бұрын
I thought Christie got a job replacing the Goodyear blimp. Yes I am fat shaming him. He looks like Weird Al in the BAD parody 😂
@muffin_man281
2 жыл бұрын
"I've made all my children be New York Mets fans." Chis the line between discipline and child abuse was crossed.
@MarcoBonechi
2 жыл бұрын
Also it's the companies that insist some universities brands are better than others. So they force brand rather than skill. Nobody is paying for education. Everybody pays for brands.
@einsteinboricua
2 жыл бұрын
There has to be a balance though. Some courses are hard but they’re made extra hard by the professors if they have tenure and can establish their own rules for the course. We had professors who taught you that 1+1=2 but on the test wanted you to calculate the mass of the Sun if airplanes are purples. There’s also the question of how engaging they are. In math, I took two courses with the toughest professors of the department. I scraped by with a C in both courses but man they were great and engaging. And I had other professors who had no reason to teach because they just read a powerpoint slide. All about a balance BUT I agree that this latest generation is becoming very soft and expects everything handed to them. Even with Millennials it was almost a thing.
@boblozaintherealworld3577
2 жыл бұрын
uh, ok. your premise is really odd.
@hibernopithecus7500
2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of that scene in ‘As Good As It Gets’ when Julie Benz asks Jack Nicholson,”How do you write women so well?”, and he answers,”I think of a man. And I take away reason & accountability.”. Just replace the word “women” with either generation from Millennials onward, and “man” with any generation before.
@roberttine5081
Жыл бұрын
As someone who earned three undergraduate degrees and a graduate degree let me opine that nothing in University is worth 70k a year.
@bjkarana
Жыл бұрын
And NY Mag is claiming that "you don't need to be proficient in Organic Chemistry to become a _good_ doctor." Total nonsense. You can't be proficient in general biochemistry, the building block of modern medicine (metabolic pathways, genetics, receptor/ligand interaction, and enzyme kinetics) without understanding functional group chemistry taught in O-chem.
@mattmayo3539
2 жыл бұрын
Whenever I earned a trophy for actually doing something like breaking a record for swimming or highest amount of goals in water polo. I always felt it was tarnished or back handed when the bench warmers were given the same trophy.
@leelurface
2 жыл бұрын
Did sports all through school never had this happen
@BigSnipp
2 жыл бұрын
That means you got a participation trophy too.
@mattmayo3539
Жыл бұрын
@@BigSnipp if you actually read my comment. You’d understand that I didn’t get a participation trophy. I received recognition for highest points scored or fasted time swam.
@BigSnipp
Жыл бұрын
@@mattmayo3539 You said you got the same trophy as the bench warmers. The participation trophy.
@jknowstheway1462
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating that a politician can afford 2 (+?) $72 THOUSAND dollar a year tuitions. Schools are getting way too much in tuition. Politicians are getting way to much to be able to send their kids their. Remember when it was called 'Public Service'?
@kevinwhitescarver8369
2 жыл бұрын
Bill if you get Chris Christie Stoned. Man is he going to put on the pounds.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@lisizecha9759
2 жыл бұрын
With regard to the China question: Yes. it's callec "lying flat", being elevated to the next level "let it rot"
@canadianroots7681
2 жыл бұрын
There are some professors who legitimately should be removed. I had a discrete math professor (who also wrote his own book) who bragged about having an 85+% failure rate. If that's the case for class after class, eventually you need to look at the professor to see if they are the problem.
@Paraaronoid
2 жыл бұрын
You've hit the nail on the head. The problem that many people don't understand is that in STEM fields, it's often the professors themselves that have written their own books. I experienced that in my statistics classes as well as my computer science courses... It's a real problem.
@randyrainbow6692
2 жыл бұрын
" I have made all of my children New York Met fans so they understand pain!!!!" Best line EVER from Chris Christie. The only thing that is more painful is to be a Toronto Blue Jays or Maple Leaf Hockey fan. That is pure agony!!! LOL!!! PS.....Did you see yesterdays game??? I rest my case.
@AGal4896
2 жыл бұрын
Try being a Red Sox fan 😩
@lesliefish4753
2 жыл бұрын
One solution is: don't send your kids to University; send them to trade-school. Even the top prestigious trades -- doctor, lawyer, business executive, engineer -- are taught at colleges that specialize in such things, not just universities. Trade schools are cheaper than universities, let you take courses at your own pace, and can usually guarantee you a job right out of school. Also, they have the advantage of not being noticed -- yet -- by the Woke crowd. This means you'll get quality teaching with no political requirements.
@Max-bi8fn
2 жыл бұрын
U have to go to undergrad in order to go to medical or law school
@lesliefish4753
2 жыл бұрын
@@Max-bi8fn You can get the undergrad courses at community colleges. You don't need a University to get them.
@Max-bi8fn
2 жыл бұрын
@@lesliefish4753 correct, I’m just saying u have to graduate college first before either med school or law school
@lesliefish4753
Жыл бұрын
@@Max-bi8fn That makes them the most expensive of the trades to get. For most high-school graduates, 'twould be better to go straight to a trade-school and get a trade that will give you a high-paying job right after graduation. Once you're making a good income, you can always go back to school for graduate courses later.
@earllsimmins9373
Жыл бұрын
Passing organic chemistry does not necessarily make a good doctor nor does failing it make a bad doctor. If these students have been getting good grades and their other classes and this is the only class that is causing problems is it the student or the professor? And from what I understand they never wanted him to resign or be fired they just wanted him to change his teaching technique.
@Humanity4ALL
2 жыл бұрын
Be accountable for own choice and capabilities to learn. These kids didn’t earn the grade because they weren’t up to the task of learning. Back in the day 94% was the cut off for receiving an A
@miggans21012
2 жыл бұрын
The movie Idiocracy is becoming more and more real.
@normabernal9808
2 жыл бұрын
Chris is so carismátic!!!
@rabbit251
Жыл бұрын
On the flip side, there are professors out there who are terrible. I have a degree in Education and I wanted to teach Literature and History. Only problem was that I had a pass an English class. The professor was so terrible no one knew what he was talking about, diagramming sentences. We would ask him questions in class to explain more clearly, but he continued to give us confusing answers. All 40 students failed. So he curved to test so that a few got Cs, a few more got Ds, and then failed half the class. One our school's brightest students who had a 4.0 GPA was one who got a C. This was back in 1982. The students complained, but nothing happened. Fast forward several years and I done some volunteer work overseas with a NPO for 2 years. When I returned to my home state which my teaching license (Nebraska), didn't cover, I had to take 2 classes to be qualified. I went to a state university and took 2 graduate level classes that were so easy it was ridiculous. The one professor only required us to write a paper which I don't think he read and gave everyone As.
@SilentEire
2 жыл бұрын
We really should hear all the facts before we start bashing these NYU students. I have a lecturer who is notorious for failing large swathes of students he simply doesn’t like, he would purposely mislead students during the semester only to fuck them over come exam season. If it’s a case like that, I don’t think these students are out of line whatsoever. But if it really is just “this class is too hard” then that’s an embarrassment 🤦♂️
@phyphrus1934
2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised nobody asked the specifics. Colleges give profeesors a lot of room for different ways to teach. I think it's entirely possible there was 1 who had a wild hair up his butt and said, "sink or swim." I can see both sides, and it's important to know how to study, but I'm not trying to teach myself organic chemistry. That's sort of the professor's job
@willzsportscards
2 жыл бұрын
Ochem wasn't hard. Just patterns. You see all the patterns, you're golden.
@darishopkins2573
2 жыл бұрын
Classes don't need to be that difficult and shouldn't require much, if any, studying. We pay all this money for the professors to do their job. If I can't learn from them in class, without having to teach myself on my own time, what am I paying them for? Many reasonably intelligent professors don't know shit about how to teach. At the very least, we shouldn't owe money for a class we don't pass. Part of the problem with chemistry is trying to cram multiple semesters worth of learning into one semester. It's also effing retarded that the standard is to take several different classes at one time. If you want students to learn enough organic chem to pass, that should be all they're learning at that time. Let's focus and finish one thing before moving on to something else.
@yinyang7412
2 жыл бұрын
No, it is not the "participation trophy society". Isn't it ironic to hear that accusation coming from a member of the political party that is constantly complaining about "participation trophies", even though it's mainly that party this is comprised of people wealthy enough to send THEIR kids to colleges that expensive?
@jmcm152
2 жыл бұрын
This makes me sad, angry and scared
@jackphantom
2 жыл бұрын
Sure, blame the parents and not the "no child left behind" society that says you don't have to learn the material, you will pass no matter what.
@bonniejosavland3227
2 жыл бұрын
You’re talking about someone that can’t modify his food intake 😢
@michaelswaim9428
2 жыл бұрын
I’m also glad that Liberals have come around to this conclusion. We’ve only been saying it for over a decade, and for a long time were told that it was an over reaction.
@Morpheusarrow
2 жыл бұрын
If 1 person misreads your question they should read better. If 100 people misread your question you have a problem in how you ask questions 😂
@kewpified
2 жыл бұрын
The administration that fired the teacher should grow a pair. Would be doctors MUST be smart enough to pass the class! hello?
@MediaBuster
Жыл бұрын
Notice how they put (R) next to republicans, but not (D) next to democrats.
@CAR-mm8nu
Жыл бұрын
Tell them that the world needs labor workers too. Don't get rid of the guy that's trying to make sure that these primadonnas are well educated before taking someone's health and life into their hands.
@vince1229
2 жыл бұрын
Dr. Oz said that you can sit your medical board exam as many times as you like.
@tenacious645
Жыл бұрын
Amazing how he's sitting right next to the woman giving him the answer and he's still dancing around the truth. College is a ridiculous debt sentence. To expensive to fail
@solo4508
2 жыл бұрын
Hey it's ok to fail doesn't make you less of a person. It's ok to feel bad we don't need to be happy 100% of the time. We're so paralyzed with anxiety over everything it's nuts
@davidstansbury9309
2 жыл бұрын
I've personally witnessed participation trophies in youth sports for nearly 40 years. The narrative that this is a new phenomenon is entirely bullshit.
@gthakur17
2 жыл бұрын
there was an experiment in India to pass all students till 8th grade and it was noticed that majority of the kids failed to keep up with grade 9 curriculum and actual exams leading to more dropouts. that experiment was dialled back and auto pass was allowed till 5 grade.
@BJZILovU
2 жыл бұрын
Great show keep up the great work you do Bill! Cheers! 😎✌️
@Blanco8x8
2 жыл бұрын
Don't pay for something without knowing what you're getting into. College has become too expensive to warrant the low success rate. It really makes you think. Do students really need the university? Or does the university really need the students?
@ross120770
Жыл бұрын
super panel
@KA-pe6sv
2 жыл бұрын
Top college admission rates are much lower now than for the boomer generation, it is definitely more competitive now and they don’t just give everyone passing grades.
@JCYoung-ni4cy
Жыл бұрын
Just for reference, the participation trophy is NOT something new. They had them when I played T-ball in kindergarden nearly a half-century ago. This isn't 18-30 years we're talking about here. This is second-generation at least. But, the participation trophy trope get dragged out to blame kids for some reason. I feel like no one wants to blame the parents for this. And in response to this 'hard class' issue - if a teacher is failing a majority of their class, aren't THEY failing as an educator to instruct their students? It's one thing to have a few failures who didn't do the work or can't handle the subject but if a teacher isn't reaching them or explaining the material properly, where's the disconnect?
@rhetoricstephen
Жыл бұрын
Laziness and entitlement will always be issues with students, but why is it so many refuse to consider that colleges aren't facilitating a learning environment which actually helps students learn rather than going the route of "figure it out yourself and either sink or swim." There's also a lot of jumping through unnecessary hoops which has nothing to do with actually being educated. Stop pretending this is all on the students or parents.
@nathanspradlin8570
2 жыл бұрын
It's a shame kids now a days can't learn the two biggest things from losing/failing.... Character and Development. And yes parents ARE to blame for their kids failing because children learn EVERYTHING from their parents.... including life lessons and politics.
@ptv8113
2 жыл бұрын
That’s possibly true. But it has NOTHING to do with participation trophies. That is the biggest red herring anyone ever tried to sell. You really don’t think a kid who dedicates months to a contact sport and sweats and bleeds for their team and goes to practice every week when they are tired and hungry- you seriously don’t think they deserve to have a $5 plastic trophy acknowledge that they went to that effort? They achieved something many kids don’t. Recognizing it is perfectly reasonable.
@TheDarkness1
2 жыл бұрын
@@ptv8113 Face it, not everyone was born to be an athlete. If you want a 5 dollar trophy to put in your room to remember how much you got your ass kicked, that's your prerogative.
@ptv8113
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDarkness1 why do you say that? Do you have kids playing sports? Do you coach? Do you, in fact, know anything at all about it?
@nathanspradlin8570
2 жыл бұрын
@@ptv8113 true. I think it's the parents who put pressure on kids to win that $5 plastic trophy like it's do or die.
@ptv8113
2 жыл бұрын
@@nathanspradlin8570 that’s obnoxious- yes- I’m a. Pack and I deal with that. But that has absolutely zero to do with the ‘participation trophies lead to lazy and entitled kids’ mantra.
@taubevictor8989
2 жыл бұрын
She forgets to say 46 percent in taxes, 80 million citizens, and a very homogenized society, sick of other people comparing our country with countries that we can fit inside of Texas
@grantc.7152
Жыл бұрын
Crazy part the professor only failed a 5th of them and that 5th skipped tons of classes. As a teacher, yes there is an issue if yo many students fail as it shows gaps of failed lessons. But, if you have a class that skips all the time or fail a small amount that isnt a reflection of the teacher.
@SolaceEasy
2 жыл бұрын
These days anyone who's skilled is bumped up to their incompetence ceiling. Anyone doing their job well - they're itching to move on.
@bobjones4469
2 жыл бұрын
Oh god, this is giving me O Chem PTSD.
@Matt_Dagostino
2 жыл бұрын
Parents should be encouraging their kids to fail. Perhaps not with regards to their education, but certainly within the realm of less consequential matters. Example: My parents forbid me from having a credit card as long as I lived with them (until I was 23). Shortly before I moved out, I got a credit card with a $500 credit limit, racked it up, and took years to pay it off at a rate of 29.99% APR. Only then did I come to the realization that carrying such a balance was a poor financial decision. It seems obvious in retrospect, but I had to learn it the hard way. Despite their best intentions, the only thing my parents end up doing was delaying the aforementioned realization and my ability to build credit. As a society, we should be looking more scrupulously at unintended consequences of our actions and considering long-term drawbacks vs short-term gains
@chelok7805
Жыл бұрын
And they going to be a doctor. Please tell me who they are as I don’t want them to treat me.
@cestwhat1317
2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes Bill n guests make a point at the end of a spear. It’s the responsibility of a professor or any teacher or to teach, not stand on one side of the intellectual gulf and say: “You’ve got to make the leap or fall into the abyss.” The fact that this isn’t happening at Harvard, Stanford, or other intellectual bastions means that maybe this guy can’t write a question that will bring his students along in the learning process. Challenge them, yes. Make questions too simple for them to learn, no. But learning should be a collaboration wherein if the students make the effort they will learn.
@christhos.ryther3386
2 жыл бұрын
All three of you are completely missing both the problem and solution. "Weed-out" courses, graded on a curve, shouldn't be taught in sophomore year of expensive universities (like say my son's school). They should be taught in community colleges where faculty generally have Master's or PhDs in their field and years of experience in industry or research. They actually are taught how to teach, do professional development on educational methods, and interact with students in person. They're NOT publishing or researching or networking and leaving the actual education to graduate students. Meanwhile the tuition at California community colleges is $46 per semester unit.
@colechillen7700
2 жыл бұрын
If you're going to get Chris Christie high, you better stock up on them snacks. He looks like he'd destroy a pantry.
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