I’m buying tons of vintage and tons of Curts card care $$$
@aminnajii
13 күн бұрын
Lol
@mitchellbaldwin9106
Ай бұрын
And I’ll keep supporting Kurt, and keep using his products and techniques.
@professorsportscards
13 күн бұрын
We can all point to other items which every comment has. Paining restoration is extremely controversial, I dove into that rabbit hole head first. Many historical weapons or other historical artifacts should not be altered or restored for integrity and value purposes. My opinion is clearly not going to stop people from using the gimmicky product, but I'm aloud to voice my opinion.
@DaveDurango
5 ай бұрын
The wrinkles and creases were not on those cards when they came out of the pack. They were altered, through lack of care/neglect/improper storage, why isn't okay to remove them to bring them back to the cards true state?
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
What other reason would you bring the card back to life other than to make a profit? It's a dirty hustle. If a card has been a psa 6 for 20 years, it should stay a ps5. Only money and profit is the reason people are altering cards,not for the love of the hobby.
@Hockeycardsplus
3 ай бұрын
100%
@joeymak2000
3 күн бұрын
@@professorsportscardsI want my cards to shine and look good. Especially if they’re olddddd. It’s just a bonus that it also increases value.
@TheGrandeGringo
5 ай бұрын
I dont blame people for doing it especially if you get a high value card that has print lines or something because Panini and Topps wont fix a high end 1/1 with print lines
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
Fair enough, but not every scenario is the same. Is it still okay if the card is a 1954 topps psa 2 that sells for $300, but when "worked on" it becomes a psa 6, and sells for $1,500? I see an issue where people are going to be cracking vintage, with ideas of fixing up the card to make a high return. Not exactly best practices in my opinion.
@TheRealAssistMan
5 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscardsThats your opinion and thats fine. But i see nothing wrong with it at all and many dont see anything wrong with it either. You are not altering the card. If you trim it or color touch it then you are altering it. You are simply just working with what you have.
@scottholder4431
5 ай бұрын
@@TheRealAssistMan I don't see a problem with it either.
@the1hatman75
2 ай бұрын
Using moisture to remove wrinkles or creases in a card should not be considered an alteration. The same process is used to iron out a wrinkled shirt. Does anyone consider that an alteration? Of course not. Now fillers/colors/trimming things that actually change or add to the structure of the card? There's the hard line for considering a card to be altered. That only leaves polish as a grey area for me. I can understand how that can be seen as an alteration but at the same time, if you can't see it... is it really altered? That's a though question. I guess for me, if a professional grading service can't tell then why should I care?
@professorsportscards
13 күн бұрын
i love how everyone of these comments uses the oddest analogies. I've now hear cards compared from anything to shirts and irons to cars and wax. Cards are cards, they have historical significance. If you want to alter or fix up a card just make sure you disclose it to the buyer when you sell it, but I'm pretty sure you won't because people would pay less for it because people don't want fixed up cards.
@the1hatman75
13 күн бұрын
@@professorsportscards You call it odd but didn't actually say why it's different. Using natural techniques to restore a card back to it's original state is not an alteration just like ironing a garment is not. It's fine to disagree but you should say why you think so, not just emote about it. Also, I don't sell cards so the shot at me "not disclosing" anything is a mute point.
@kenstrohmeyer5355
5 ай бұрын
As a former tech at a welll known printer company, a “print line is caused by no ink getting to media in its correct location based on the design of the printhead. In order to eliminate that print line ink that is already on the media has to be altered in order to that space. If everyone is so positive that the card has not been altered, take it to someone that knows about the design and what is happening. I would almost guarantee that they could detect an alteration.
@frostyfeetcards
5 ай бұрын
You can't eliminate print lines because there is nothing there to eliminate. That's why a print expert wouldn't be able tell. It's scratches that folks in the hobby cant differentiate from print lines that causes this misinformation when they say "i cleaned off a print line".
@kenstrohmeyer5355
5 ай бұрын
A print engineer can magnify the print to view the individual ink drop location and quality. My job was to run tests to evaluate all this.
@kenstrohmeyer5355
5 ай бұрын
I wonder if whatever he is using can allow the ink “migrate” enough to fill in the “gap”.
@JoeKyser
5 ай бұрын
well with the 30 seconds that they spend evaluating a card, we can rest assured that nothing will be detected
@xalapa61
5 ай бұрын
Great video. Thanks
@Kaneda383
5 ай бұрын
I find it amusing that all the people supporting Kurts Card Care are the same people who are using his kits to get higher grades. What a bunch of nonsense. Tell me how using a kit to buffer out creases and edgewear and stains is not altering a card? You're changing the existing condition of the card. The entire reason people use his kit is to make money. End of story. You think people are using his Kit to improve it just to throw it back in a One Touch for their own PC? No, they're using it to put into a submission to grade.... deceive the company to get a higher grade and flip for more money to buyers who are unaware that the card has been altered. It's a joke.
@barfyman-dm6zx
5 ай бұрын
I'm sure they're scum in other aspects of their life as well
@ShinobiXXXBDO
3 ай бұрын
The same company that decieves you with its grades, or how they intentionally grade cards low so the get resubmitted, of course its about money, cuz thats all this hobby i grew up loving is about now. I could honestly care less if its cleaned, as long as it aint trimmed or colored or filled with bondo, wtf is wrong with cleaning it, holy shit the MONA LISA gets cleaned, everything of great worth is maintained, cleaned and preserved. wtf is wrong with ppl, nothing better then pulling out a refractor for 20 years ago that has no shine or even refract light anymore and go man this is a dope card gtfo here man... you already sound like a person with french fries and cheeto dust all over his car
@Shadowmaster82311
Ай бұрын
PSA hates you, Kurt Loves you! Be loved! Love Kurt!
@douglascarter2078
5 ай бұрын
I'm definitely not down with the process, but if grading companies are unable to detect any residue or trace of it being done then why wouldn't someone do it other than their own moral stance? It's almost a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Very interesting and thoughtful video.
@barfyman-dm6zx
5 ай бұрын
Devaluing PSA 10's one dollop of Kurt's spooge at a time
@ACollectorsDream
5 ай бұрын
Don’t touch my cards.
@devinb5937
5 ай бұрын
Oh grow up pal
@ShinobiXXXBDO
3 ай бұрын
I honestly think the dumbest thing is ppl thinking he turns psa 5s into 8-9s... alot of the time he gets it back in the same grade and usually he takes a bgs 9 to a 9.5 so lets just be a lil more realistic and not so dam dramatic, yall acting like hes taking psa 1 mantles and turning them into 7s when thats not even remotely the case, maybe go look at things for yourself before just streaming what others are saying. So PSA says nothing can be added and they cant see anything on the card, when the process is put this on then wipe it all off to help remove crud, fingerprints and environment, so in hindsight to all the brilliant pppl about the dont add stuff or its altered then maybe every card with a fingerpring on it should be considered altered cuz you added a fingerprint to the card, RIGHT...wasnt there before, wasnt made with the fingerprint on it... or of the get a corner ding, wasnt there when the company made it, seems altered to me... See how stupid this whole thing really sounds. I swear some ppl just wanna bitch and complain for the sake of bitching and complaining
@PennySleeveSteve
17 күн бұрын
Whew thanks. I was about to go out and wash my car, but not now. Wouldn’t want to end up with a altered automobile.
@professorsportscards
13 күн бұрын
do you, but your analogy is absolutely terrible. Cards and Cars are nothing alike. There are many historical pieces that are foolish to alter or even restore. Read up on swords and guns, but again analogies are hard because cards are unique. I am against card cleaning and think it is actually a gimmick to sell to the less informed. Clearly my opinion does not matter, I am one person and the world keeps ticking. Thank you for watching and commenting.
@user-es6gq2gp3j
3 ай бұрын
people should be worried about the cards that have been altered with the cream, since you don't know what is in it. so, for everyone who feels it good, and you happen to buy one of those cards and in few years, it starts breaking down are you going to be happy with it then or upset. that is dumbest thing to compare a card to a painting it not made from the same materials. it comes down to the investors who have so money in it they can't admitted it. I love the fact that people will find a way to say it ok with somethings and no other parts from altering. it yes or no there is no in-between. since everyone love to clean cards, why don't people love to clean old coins then or buy a classic car with altered parts since an ok thing to do. every hobby has different rule on what is ok and not. as a Comsumer you want it Original when made not change. that fact is greed, on opinion that company gives you like it law and it not. so many people have been scammed and can't admitted it, but they know.
@MrSamslab
Ай бұрын
I hope you have written long messages to these card company's that screw us straight out the packs. Cards full of print lines, dimples, etc. Most people are mad they don't have ingredients to duplicate. That's all the hoopla is about.
@nordiq21
5 ай бұрын
Nice video. IMO any altering/adding/cleaning etc is wrong.
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
Me too, unfortunately a percentage a small people in the hobby are defecting cards and it seems to be with zero shame.
@steppenpark5254
5 ай бұрын
So let me get this straight.We can't wipe a card clean But companies can release cards that are off centered and poorly manufactured. Ok The reality is, if it's not detectable then nobody can stand on either side definitively
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
What about vintage?
@Axle3369
4 ай бұрын
What’s the long term impact on the different types of card materials and the chemical reactions over time. Cards come off centered, does that mean it’s ok to trim them because they don’t get manufactured perfect?
@steppenpark5254
4 ай бұрын
@@Axle3369 didn't mention "trimming" my guy
@Axle3369
4 ай бұрын
@@steppenpark5254I know but you mentioned it in manufacturing defects of being off centred. It’s a solution to the manufacturing issues just as people are saying cleaning products like Kurt’s card care is using chemicals to fix other defects. Maybe I’m too old school because so many issues are to do with grading. When I started this hobby as a kid in the mid 80’s a “mint” card was sharp corners, good edges, no creases and no stains on the card. Printing defects weren’t an issue because it was out of the hands of the collectors. Heck some cards were so off centred that they had part of another card picture on it. If it had all the above qualities of what was considered a “mint” card, then you had something unique and one of a kind. IMO the introduction of grading cards has caused so many different issues just because of the overinflated value people hold on cards that basically 90% of cards might get a 30 second look over and a random number added to it. @scvsportscards does a great job of explaining how grading works. I think that if grading companies just accepted “known issues” in manufacturing for certain brands and years and realized that they don’t need to affect a grade, then many of the sketchy practices would disappear. Some brands and years especially vintage it’s basically impossible to get a centred card so there should be no mint gems if they are that strict. So print lines in newer prizm should be considered as not a detriment but rather a normal quality for the brand and year and shouldn’t affect your grade. Are you getting what I am saying. A printing line or off centred card should be acceptable of a gem grade if that is a standard issue for that set and year. It would stop people from having to use chemicals that who knows what issue that is going to cause long term to buff out print lines. It would cut down the trimming of cards to try to make them look more centred without hoping it’s not noticed. I think if grading is going to continue to be a standard practice, then the grading companies need to take things into consideration when designing their standards. Back when grading started I left the hobby because I knew it was going to create more problems than it was worth. I have come back and left the hobby a few times and every time it was always something to do with grading. Each time I returned it was more apparent that the greed of $ has overcome the integrity of many people in the hobby and grading is always in the background of issues. During the pandemic boom and beyond, there was a huge influx of flippers who don’t care about the hobby or sport and all they care about is money. So they will do anything and everything to get the highest grade and don’t care about any long term affects of what they do to the cards because they just want to do whatever to get the most dollars and get that card out of their possession asap. People like me who have been in the hobby long before grading was ever a thing, should see that grading is the root of so many of the issues that are plaguing the hobby since its introduction. But to us who don’t want to buy a card that has been subjected to any of the chemicals used on cards because we don’t know the long term effects. But we don’t have a say because too many people care more about $ than anything in the hobby so they use chemicals and anything they can to get the best grade so we have no choice but to accept it. Sorry for the long message but I think you missed the point I was making just by the reply you sent back to me. For me I have held cards for twice the amount of time a lot of these young flippers 18-20 years old have been alive. So yes for me the long term affects of chemical use on cards I might buy is a big deal and if I knew a card had been soaked or sprayed with chemicals, I wouldn’t buy them. So to conclude your reply if grading is going to remain relevant and have integrity to stop the use or try to help cut down on these practices (including trimming) I think they need to take manufacturing flaws that are prevalent in the majority of a set and not dock grades because of it. If you or anyone else disagrees I would like to hear your opinion.
@joeypanozzo
Ай бұрын
It is not altering! If that card was perfect when put into the pack...and someone gets it and accidentally has a mishap..why is reversing that bad? Also if the card is to be perfect when made and draws a premium price and when u get it..its not perfect..why can't u undo what the company should not been allowed to release? Is there no quality control to not let bad cards out? If not them we take matter s into our own and make the fix. Everyone should feel blessed that this can happen and we can actually have the chance to see the card in PERFECT condition!
@Kaidence
5 ай бұрын
The prices they charge and the fact they can grade a card any grade they want on a particular day. Had one card get a PSA 7, 8 and 9 and I didn't do anything to it. Screw em vasoline is fine with me
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
I mean best answer I've heard yet. You're not screwing psa, they actually make more in your higher graded card. You're really screwing the others in the hobby, especially the large percentage who will never 'work" on a card or who don't want there cards "worked" on. If this is the new norm, lot of charzard 5s n 6s are going to be cracked for profit. Then watering down the price of the high end market because scarcity matters most in cards.
@ShinobiXXXBDO
3 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscards you cant be serious you do realize there are almost 56k graded charizard holos from just the base set you really think making a PSA 5 into PSA 6 is going to affect the market, comon man be smarter then that, lets look at jordan rookies 25k+ psa jordans, alot of the cards your talking about have no scarcity. Seriously doubt anyones cracking a psa9 mantle and fkn with it in hopes of a 10. As far as the Wemby its a 1/1 doesnt even need to be graded... what screws ppl is the ppl that submit to psa and get a bad grade, then crack it outta the slab and sell as an ungraded rare in mint condition even tho it just came back a PSA 7-8
@dom19945
5 ай бұрын
Well, there’s proof on KZitem that it works with PSA. People buy pressed comics all the time. I’m not sure why anyone cares that a card has been polished.
@Axle3369
4 ай бұрын
I don’t agree with using this stuff. I see so many videos of this and everyone is talking about the illegitimacy of the cost 💲 for higher grades. Does anyone not ask themselves or others not just about false grades and money but this is relatively new. What are these cards going to look like in 10, 15, or 20 years. What is the chemical composition and interaction between it and different card materials going to do over time? In 5 years (if wimby) is still relevant but is that card going to look like a 2-3 because of chemical deterioration of the card material? Anyone who supports these products should ask themselves this. The crap thing is that if you don’t agree with it, right now it doesn’t matter. People are doing it and the only way is to stop buying cards that aren’t pack pulled which for most of us is a waste of money or just stop buying cards altogether. I’ve been a collector for 30+ years and I have quit before because of the lack of integrity.
@mitchellbaldwin9106
Ай бұрын
I love how you guys don’t reference the videos where he took cards that had been touched up and he soaked them, took all the paint off of it and made it legit before he sent it in
@corymcewen5943
2 ай бұрын
Trimming a card is a different animal. I see zero wrong with restoring a card if it can be done. There are some cards with corners and other problems that nothing can be done. Paintings are restored, an old car with original paint is wet sanded and buffed. Id bet a million if a person touches up a corner, cleans a card, remove a slight wrinkly and makes it as presentable as possible and never said a word, PSA nor anybody else would could tell.
@Axle3369
4 ай бұрын
One more comment to that guy who was taking to Geoff saying “who says that a card that is pulled out of a pack is how it has to be?” That statement is equivalent to saying that it’s ok to trim this or that card because in certain sets it’s impossible to find a good centred card. Oh it’s no big deal I was just trimming it to center it. It’s not altering it because it came out of the pack flawed so it’s ok to do anything to make it unflawed. Geez people need to think before they speak. Yes the way you pull a card is the way it should stay. If you can fix flaws with chemicals on cards then it’s equal to saying if you pull a flawed card then you can do whatever it takes to make it perfect and that’s ok. 🤯🙄
@ShinobiXXXBDO
3 ай бұрын
and ppl like you is why panini has terrible QC
@jimc.goodfellas
5 ай бұрын
Here's a thought...maybe these card companies should have better QC and produce better quality cards that don't need "Kurt's Card Care"
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
What about vintage cards?
@mikehamm007
5 ай бұрын
Good video
@GotFlow5
3 ай бұрын
What if you have gunk on the card and you want it removed?
@GotFlow5
3 ай бұрын
I had a card with sub grades of 9.5 but surface 6 and it was graded a 7. When I looked at it, there was gunk. So I wanted it removed and regraded
@cardboardcheddah3715
5 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t trust someone on KZitem no matter how professional they presented themself to clean my art. Why would I trust that same character to clean my valuable cards. That being said, using any substance should be frowned upon by collectors,imo. We don’t know the long term effects of any of these procedures. Does the substance change over time?
@TedWilliams1959Fleer
5 ай бұрын
Take a hike then. You obviously don't know the facts about Kurt's Card Care. You don't alter a card is you clean it. That's not the way it is. If you trim a card or recolor it then that is what altering is.
@cardboardcheddah3715
5 ай бұрын
@@TedWilliams1959Fleer Do you put your clown shoes on 1st or the makeup?
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
@adam why do you talk like your the only one allowed with an opinion.
@TheRealAssistMan
5 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscardsYou are talking the same way in most of your replies to be honest.
@TheRealAssistMan
5 ай бұрын
I been doing it for over 20 years and there is no long term effects and changes to the card what so everr. I have cards that were graded that were cleaned in 2002 that still look exactly the same to this day. I guess never use windex to clean your windows either might have a long term effect on the glass. Also, dont use dawn on your dishes when cleaning them and for sure dont use soap on your hands it might have a long term effect on them.
@jeffpaquet5421
2 ай бұрын
I cleaned 3 expensive cards. Curry, griffey jr, victor wembanyama rookie cards. Now, what am I supposed to do. I'm not sure what to believe, but I just wasted 3 good cards.Thanks a lot, Kurt's card care.
@joeymak2000
3 күн бұрын
Grade them? Psa can’t tell
@sinistur0204
5 ай бұрын
Alteration is in everything in this world you do it right before you trade your car in you do it right before you sell your house? As long as the wax doesn’t hurt the Card long-term I don’t see a problem with it…. Let me make it clear that I do not agree with trimming or coloring a card, but taking out creases and potentially scratches is okay with me
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
I adamantly disagree, but we are each allowed our own opinion.
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
I'd also use the example of artifacts and weapons. You aren't supposed to restore or alter them, it hurts the integrity n value of the item. We can find examples on both sides. My main issue is the only reason people are doing this is fir money n not the love of cards or the hobby.
@sinistur0204
5 ай бұрын
I completely understand where you’re coming from and I absolutely love this hobby and personally I’ve never altered or polished a card in my life but at the end of the day you can’t control what other people are doing and for me if the card does what it’s supposed to do and makes me happy and it looks good that’s all I can ask for
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
@@sinistur0204 well said, appreciate your response. I'm still going to fight against it, but you are right, little can be done.
@ShinobiXXXBDO
3 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscards wtf are you talking about ppl litteraly restore ancient samurai swords, they restore old ancient pottery and relics all the dam time and you know what it does, increases its value, maybe actually know what your talking about before talking... And if you really claim its about money vs love of the hobby, if you just love the hobby then you dont need graded investment worthy cards to begin with, and you wouldnt honestly care what condition your cards are in, its more of a some ppl prefer clean things and other just like to complain about anything
@TheRealAssistMan
5 ай бұрын
Beating a dead horse with this topic. There is nothing wrong with cleaning a card. People have been doing it for 30 years. It is not altering a card. Trimming a card or color touching a card is altering a card. Not cleaning. Nothing happens to the card long term at all. If you dont like it and dont want to do it then dont do it. But stop crying about it cause it, has been going on for decades and will never stop. If you dont like it then dont do it and dont buy graded cards. Thats it.
@TJJulkowski
5 ай бұрын
No. No. And no. As soon as anything touches the card it is altered. What part of cutting corners and cheating thr hobby don’t you understand? The only way to preserve a card is with a soft sleeve and top loader or one touch. Period. Altering. Cutting. Polishing. All of these disqualify a card period. Stop trying to get around what a card actually is. All you are doing is hurting the integrity of the hobby.
@ShinobiXXXBDO
3 ай бұрын
so buy your brilliant statement the moment you put a fingerprint on the card by touching it youve actually chemically altered it, some of yall are just pure comedy gold
@realmerc8373
2 ай бұрын
If it makes my cards looks better and it also increases the value I see why not
@TheDjcorey19
5 ай бұрын
If the graders cant tell then there's nothing wrong. Period
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
So if the cops cant detect who stole something or killed someone, there must be nothing wrong. Period? I'm glad you have your opinion, but maybe it's a bit more complicated than you can go.
@TheDjcorey19
5 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscards I don't think it is. The industry has decided that grading services are a reputable source for determining the legitimacy of a product. If they deem a card to be unaltered, we have to accept that otherwise their reputation as a credible source comes into question.
@DaveDurango
5 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscards That is a terrible comparison
@ShinobiXXXBDO
3 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscards where do you come up with these stupid comparisons. so what your really saying is more like somebody said somone was murdered but the cops cant find a body or evidence of a murder happening ... or for simple folks like you... the ole Tree Fell in the forrest one
@Hockeycardsplus
3 ай бұрын
If your going through cards and spill coffee on them, you dont try to wipe them off? If you say no your a liar, if you say yes your a hypocrite. You watch fanatics or psa will develop a way to clean and say their way is the only safe way
@professorsportscards
3 ай бұрын
The people using this product aren't using it cause coffee spills. I've collected cards for 33 years, true story, not once have s spilt coffee or the like on a single card. You are making odd justifications for altering 70 year old cards.
@Hockeycardsplus
3 ай бұрын
@professorsportscards no most are using it to remove gum stains, dirt, very very few are using it the way you portray, also most are using it on vintage that grades like a 1.5 or 2 and possibly getting them to a 3 or 4, not 8's, 9's and 10's like you portray
@professorsportscards
3 ай бұрын
@@Hockeycardsplus I'm not sure I agree with you. Where the difference we have is, I and many in the hobby would never "work" on a card to remove gum stains. We are allowed to have different opinions. I don't want to spend $2,000 on a Clemente or Robinson that was touched up or worked on. Many others feel the same way, that's why this issue has blown up.
@Hockeycardsplus
3 ай бұрын
@professorsportscards I agree, the question is where is the line drawn, what's too far, I think soaking is too far, but removing dirt or gum stain isn't, I have removed gum stain on a card in my personal collection 5 years ago. Has never come back, or damaged the card, if it's undetectable and no long term effects, I don't see the problem, you would never know it's been cleaned, now should there be a classification of "altered " , I would say no, a classification of "restored or cleaned" ok, to me altered is too strong of a term, to me it infers damage to the card
@professorsportscards
3 ай бұрын
@@Hockeycardsplus how do you think they remove gum stains? Soaking a card!! I agree with you that everyone has a different line of what is right or wrong, that's why there should be a no tolerance policy. It is interesting to see everyone's different take on the matter...thanks for watching n the conversation 😁
@TedWilliams1959Fleer
5 ай бұрын
I'll stay loyal to Kurt's Card Care. No need to finish this video just know that Kurt's Care care fan boys ( LOL-SCV-nick name) like me are out in full swing and we are going to change the hobby with new accepted standards for card restoration. Altering is trimming or recoloring a card and cleaning is NOT altering and has always been done for decades.
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
Greed does many things.
@devinb5937
5 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscardsoh grow up
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
@@devinb5937 do explain...
@atljbb85
5 ай бұрын
@professorsportscards6706 so do you think the mona lisa has never been cleaned? Hell it's actually been touched up. This is no different and the art community is ok with it. Tell me how it's any different
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
@@atljbb85 many peoples justification is artwork, but it is regurgitated bs. The Mona Lisa has been behind glass over 50 years. It has been worked on over its 500 years to take care of things like insect infestation. Some of the work done over 200 years ago actually damaged the peice of art. There are art scams every day. There is tons of controversy in art. There have been many high end fakes. Do we want cards to be the art world? Art also has plenty of controversy surrounding altering, cleaning and restoring, did you not research that? Lastly cards and art are not the same. There Mona Lisa is a true 1 of 1. Cards are printed in the 10,000s and what determines the value is the condition of you particular 1 out of 10,000. The intent to touch up a peice of artwork is to preserve it for history. The intent of 99% of card "cleaning" is to make a quick buck.
@HaloHobbyCards
5 ай бұрын
This subject is just a hot button. Capitalism/greed at its finest? 😅 Ok I'm going to try to answer but need to rant first. Let's say someone pulls a banger, a great card. They sent it to PSA. It comes back in an 8 slab. The person that lives by the rules is a true Hobby person but they want to have some value, so the kids/ grandkids could sell these cards if they ever need to in a financial hardship but they keep getting under-graded. So now they feel cheated and now they get frustrated, so now they turn to these products. Because it's a lot of money for their family if needed. So It's all about the grading for me. If grading was standardized and there was some training Certification blah blah that all these companies need to grade the same way and a 9 is really a 9 99% of the time then it eliminates this issue. It's so hard to answer your question because it's convoluted for me. I like what the gentleman said in your video that says we do not need to accept what comes out of a pack and submit. There needs to be some rules. I just feel like no one really knows what's accepted and what's really cheating. Obviously the big ones are cheating trimming recoloring etc. And people are concerned that the market is going to have too many. 10s. That's possible for ultra Modern, However with vintage we could have a perfect card and it is not going to get a 10. It rarely happens. they won't do it to control the pop report? Maybe it's something that I need to accept. People are doing this. What is in it? How about that? What if some kid drinks this stuff? I thought we had to have our ingredients on Items even if it's proprietary, there should be some type of ingredients on the bottle. If it's natural, what if someone's allergic or someone's kid or wife. I'm sorry it's hard for me to answer the question just because I don't know what it is. Is it just water then fine, car Wax vasaline. I don't like if someone is playing by the rules and they're losing out on value and the other guy is using the stuff and making a lot of money. So I guess I'm conflicted a part of me is against it and a part of me thinks it's fine because of the people that are honest and losing out of the value on their cards. I sometimes really wish grading would never have come in this hobby other than authentication. Sorry I didn't answer it. Very good. It's a tough question. It's a tough subject. But a great video. It got me thinking I was trying be focused in. I probably missed some key points but I'll rewatch it. This is my first take and keep the content coming. I look forward to it. Take care.
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
Okay but what about the 70 year old card that has taken its wear and is now a PSA 4. Or the Satchel Paige that went from altered to SGC 6, I don't want my vintage being played with, and that is where the real money is at.
@HaloHobbyCards
5 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscards And I agree with you. I totally agree with that point. it's not right. I think for me It's difficult to answer because it is accepted today, unless the majority is really against it then it will change. However, I think there's a generation that is just used to using this stuff and they're not going to change their mind. It's like certain things got legalized and this may be something that has changed with the times in the hobby.
@GoldenEdgedGreg
22 күн бұрын
Cringe post-it editing aside, Probably would help people to make up their own mind without adding a bunch of bs.
@professorsportscards
13 күн бұрын
I bet I can guess which side you are on without ever asking or talking to you. To each their own, I'm allowed an opinion just like you.
@GoldenEdgedGreg
13 күн бұрын
@@professorsportscards it was just weird hearing you were going to show both sides of the argument, when is the other video coming out? I think most people are waiting to hear the other side of the argument maybe with less edits?
@jamesnguyen7069
5 ай бұрын
now you know why the heavy hitters like spinotron, jascar and cagelawyer have moved to NFTs... theyre the future.
@dom19945
5 ай бұрын
Waste of money
@DaveDurango
5 ай бұрын
looool
@ktc629
5 ай бұрын
Is putting a crease in an card altering it? if so should PSA reject grading a card with a crease because it has been altered? Cards do not normally come from packs with creases, someone had to alter the card to put the crease in it. Thats exactly how this conversation sounds, yea silly.
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
I'm not sure how you miss the fact that noone puts creases in cards and then hopes to make a profit on the card. That's how silly and one sided your logic is. Whatever you have to do to justify rubbing wax on your cards and "working" on them🤷♂️.
@ktc629
5 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscardswait a min, why would anyone grade a card with a crease then? and if people wanna rub stuff on their cards and send them to PSA for grading then leave it up to PSA to determine if they have been altered, the do it all the time for cards that have been trimmed or colored. If PSA grades the card and doesnt deem it altered how on earth would you know it had be rubbed with anything? how the hell would you know? What if every card you have ever bought in a PSA slab had been wiped off or rubbed down and PSA graded it, How on Earth are you going to distinguish that exactly? Mr More Logical then most? Lets hear it
@ktc629
5 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscardsand furthermore wiping stuff off your card or rubbing it with cream doesnt mean collectors want to make a profit, they may just want the best grade they can get on their card, and I am certain the no one wants a lower grade on their card then they could get by just wiping off residue or removing pack wax instead of leaving on the card. This debate brings out some really stupid points of view.
@TheRealAssistMan
5 ай бұрын
@@ktc629Exactly. I wipe all my cards and use a cleaning spray on all of them for 20+ years and most of them i dont even send to get graded and they are all fine.
@mitchellbaldwin9106
Ай бұрын
If you do any of it right, then they don’t know Jack crap!!
@wayneburbrink1215
5 ай бұрын
The coating wears off , that charziard dude is hyped up over a 8 year old card game
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
In all seriousness though what about the Jordan or Clemente? The real issue comes with high end vintage and people trying to "fix up" cards to make profit. The real value is in the old stuff.
@JoeKyser
5 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscards what about it? They arent any different than any other card. A valuable card is a valuable card. go ahead and do it but dont do it and not tell me about it. Just like anything else in life. I dont care what you do to what you own. Thats all you. Dont try and pull a fast one over on me with it though. thats my problem with it. Cut it, paint it, wax it, or whatever you want to do. have fun with it. just dont screw me over with it
@paulbowman1442
25 күн бұрын
Me being careless on day left cards on my desk. I left the room my child spilled or leaked his bottle on 5 cards. Not saturated, I immediately wiped the cards clean, no visible difference. So now these cards are altered? Trimming or coloring I understand as NO fly zone.
@devinb5937
5 ай бұрын
I just want to say that I trust Kurt’s products. My wife’s boyfriend was actually the one who introduced me to Kurt’s products one day while he was checking out my PC. I had some lower grade PSA Jordan rookies that we eventually cracked and cleaned together using Kurt’s products. We had great success! Marcus and I converted a PSA 4 to PSA 7 and a PSA 5 all the way up to a PSA 9. Those were a lot of fun. Obviously we quick flipped them after grading because I agree that who knows what will happen to the cards in the long run. I will always stand by Kurt because his products really help you enhance the card to get the most value out of it.
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video or just comment? My worry is not what it does to the card in the long run. Unfortunately the people who use the product, like yourself, don't have the love of cards as their motivation impacting their actions. The common thread is greed and money. Exactly how you put it, the quick flip. In a hobby where scarcity is one of the most important factors, by working in cards we will find more cards in higher grade, eventually somewhat watering down the price of that card. Your comment above and line of thinking is all about you and your wallet, not about what is best for the hobby on a larger scale. My opinion isn't going to change your hustle, but I'm very glad my opinion and this video are out there. Make the people who use it at least defend themselves.
@rivory13
5 ай бұрын
Your wife's boyfriend 😂
@danielobrien1122
5 ай бұрын
Lmao I read that a few times to make sure it really said my wife’s boyfriend
@barfyman-dm6zx
5 ай бұрын
Sounds like you're cucked to not just Kurt
@JoeKyser
5 ай бұрын
welfl yeah here we are the people who dont care vs the people who do care. ther conversation will go like this for the next million years. thanks for the input.We already know if your morals hang low then so will your cards
@FiremanSportsCard
5 ай бұрын
They do it in art and paintings/ comics.. don’t see it being a problem there. Stop being lazy and clean your cards
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
They do what, and is it a hot topic in those industries as well?
@JoeKyser
5 ай бұрын
well art and paintings usually are not highly reproduced pieces so we will exclude that. the comic book peiople, ugh you want to be like them? Sure they do it and they use a totally different coloed label so you know it was altered. Is PSA doing that? No they arent. So we cant compare that either. I get what you are saying but its not the same. Thats what people have an issue with. Its not even about changing the card, its about doing and not knowing it. Lets not just forget about that detail. Its the most important fact we need to consider. If we had a different label then maybe we wouldnt be talking about this and be like the comic books. We dont have it though
@TheRealAssistMan
5 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscardsThey restore cars to make them look new thats how people want them. In art it is highly recommended to have paintings cleaned and restored. In comics pressing a comic with steam and pressure has been happening for decades to the point that now CGC the PSA of comic grading actually charges a fee for it and allows you to have them do it for you with an authorized party. Its widely accepted in every other collectibles genre and will be in cards as well.
@TheRealAssistMan
5 ай бұрын
@@JoeKyser Umm i am a comic person so i am like them. I have many comics in my collection that are graded and many key issues. No they do not use a different label for cleaned or pressed comics. They still get a standard blue label. Now, if you ALTER a comic by adding color to it or trimming it or adding pieces to it then it gets a restored green label. So they dont consider cleaning or pressing a comic as restoration or altering. Psa and other grading companys do have a different label, it says authentic altered if a card is altered. how many cards that have been cleaned or wiped have came back graded altered? ZERO so they dont consider it altering a card. The end. So same point as before.
@DaveDurango
5 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscards Not really, no. At least in regards to cleaning and repairing damage.
@te2edgesportscards177
5 ай бұрын
Non issue for me.
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
Are you for 1952 Mickey Mantles to get the wax job? I'm definitely not.
@te2edgesportscards177
5 ай бұрын
@@professorsportscardsI truly don’t care. There are so many more important things to focus on in the hobby. This topic has been covered way more than needed and has merely served in 20x Kurt’s Card Care sales.
@kfiscal01
5 ай бұрын
What about stains?
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
What is your opinion on stains? Im not for "working" on a card or altering it's current state. I also think intent matters. If you're taking out a stain on a $1 card it doesnt affect others or the hobby. Now you remove a stain from a PSA 1 Wilt Chamberlain RC, a historic and iconic card. It now grades a PSA 5. Well now there is a new rare 1961 PSA 5 rc. The value goes from $1k to $5k. That is where my issue with all this stems.
@mitchellbaldwin9106
Ай бұрын
How is using the discs any different than all the screw down “protectors” every one of you used back in the day??
@Shadowmaster82311
Ай бұрын
People that hate Kurt say that fixing wrinkles with moisture is "altering" the card. So then everyone that lives in 80%+ humidity areas (50%+ of the USA) have altered cards! Crazy right?
@professorsportscards
13 күн бұрын
you'd make an interesting judge
@SellersPremium
5 ай бұрын
All these false psa 10 gonna make them 10s value tank 😂😂😂😂
@j.tyler2024
5 ай бұрын
Anything you put on a card that isn't wiped off is altering. I don't see any problem with fixing creases and bent corners without trimming. There is nothing wrong with that, but adding stuff on to make it shine is 100% altering
@professorsportscards
5 ай бұрын
I don't quite agree, but appreciate your take and your wording it the way you did.
@TheRealAssistMan
5 ай бұрын
so putting a drop of water on a micro fiber cloth is altering a card? If i put a sticker on a card is it altering it cause it didnt come off the assembly line with the sticker?
@slickmet
Ай бұрын
So if you use wax on your paint on your car to make it shine more, technically you're altering the paint? 😂😂😂 Soy boys would be against this. Some of these nay sayers are probably a little jealous that they didn't come up with this method? 🤷♂️
@professorsportscards
13 күн бұрын
I don't understand the logic of comparing a machine that transports us at 50+ mph to a small piece of cardboard that has zero practical value? Weird your slant is you think people who aren't for card cleaning are jealous about not creating the formula, really strange line of thinking.
@slickmet
13 күн бұрын
@@professorsportscards It wasn't meant to be taken seriously. 🤦♂️
@professorsportscards
13 күн бұрын
@@slickmet sorry, I was reading so many comments I got foggy a bit
@slickmet
13 күн бұрын
@@professorsportscards No worries, you're good 👍
@Shadowmaster82311
Ай бұрын
Oh no, it rained today and my cards were in 95% humidity for 24 hours! PSA says all my cards are altered now! - PSA stooge
@professorsportscards
Ай бұрын
@@Shadowmaster82311 who cares what psa says, altering cards for profit is what the topic is not if it rains, you're stretching it quite a bit to fit your thought process.
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