I forgot to add Heat Resistance based off being in the Ray Field blast
@slider7500
Жыл бұрын
Please do Alex Mercer but not the second game or the comics because it does character assassination By the why he's from prototype
@balrogblaze9064
Жыл бұрын
I’ve already got a Vs match with him out where I go through both him and his opponent like this kzitem.info/news/bejne/uYWkp4JsoHZ1mGk
@raphaelgonzaga1044
Жыл бұрын
This scaling is amazing!!! we are at the same level of research, I researched many things to level up the cole, well I have things / proofs so that its power is absurd. Although!!! Even the video is amazing!!! I completely disagree on the destructive potential and Speed part, many people only go up to the city to the big mountain, even if a more research Further research you notice that there is more, there are people who go up to Continental/multi continental, Planetary, even the solar system, I believe in the solar system, but I find it a lot and Exaggerated People have spoken, but I have arguments that make it not be below Planetarium, I believe it falls between the planetary and Solar System, it was somewhat complicated in a way, but that doesn't take away from its research merit. Speed I do believe that paste is faster than light, I was even impressed Lightning speed in inFAMOUS 1, I always considered him just massively hypersonic+ in the first game, But in 2... I think it's stratospheric fast, I warn you that it's something that some people don't consider, the gameplay factor added to the lore, and something that many idiots, The way I always say, they keep using it to nerf the characters, it doesn't even make sense, the reverse games would be way weaker, but then considering the fact that pretty much every Ice enemies release blasts of light, the mix rays And the blasts of radiation from the beast that are yes radiation, and the radiation is light, and Cole can deflect Practically Infinite times, not this does not give Infinite Speed, but MFTL+ speed of a very high scale, The fact that you can repeatedly dodge light projectiles implies that the light will never reach you, And it Multiplies your speed as far as you want, FTL characters never did this or FTL+ since there are so many beams and blasts of light, they can't take it. So for me paste and MFTL+ Indefinite or just immeasurable to say the least, since he's fast as fuck if you think about it.
@lboyadgiev8820
Жыл бұрын
As someone who was curious on how strong Cole was: This video is *shocking* to say the least.
@pimpdemon9458
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Why
@xxprototypexx5056
7 ай бұрын
R/wooosh@@pimpdemon9458
@xxprototypexx5056
14 күн бұрын
@@pimpdemon9458 It was a pun.
@numbug1234
6 ай бұрын
The inFamous 2 DLC powers (ignoring Festival of Blood) should be included, given that the only DLC power in inFamous 1, the electro blade things, were included in the inFamous tie-in comic set between the two, establishing precedent for these DLC powers being canonical. EDIT: Kessler: I was so worried that you weren't going to live through the blast. But you were fine. More than fine, actually. And also, while Cole would logically be immune to the neuro-electricity draining aspect of the Ray Sphere given its primary function, it was still an explosion that leveled most of a multi floor parking lot alongside several large buildings, and all of the explosion - regardless of the pillars - would still have to have directly originated from the Ray Sphere itself. EDIT 2: You're arguing that the Ray Sphere's atomic destruction shouldn't apply to John... and then immediately played a clip of him directly stating, in no uncertain terms, that the Ray Sphere was what was tearing him apart at the atomic level? Do you... Do you hear yourself? EDIT 3: Cole stalemated the Beast in the beginning of inFamous 2 by virtue of a mutual knockout. Cole was knocked out and drained of most of his powers, but the Beast had half of his head involuntarily blown up, that's real, tangible damage when it happened. Meanwhile the nuke, even if it did destroy the Beast's body, did not do so as quickly as Cole's lightning storm did, as evidenced by there being no visible damage when the nuke knocked it onto its ass. Anyways moon feat for the win woohoo EDIT 4: Zeke is not a conduit. When the primary purpose of the Ray Sphere is to activate the powers of a conduit using the device is used by someone who isn't a conduit, it makes no sense for the ray sphere to activate and grant that person powers when the act of doing so is impossible. Also vaporisation or not, explosions still get less powerful the further away from the epicenter you get, and (with the exception of Zeke, who I addressed just prior), every named character who could be argued as scaling from a Ray Sphere blast... also scales/downscales to Cole, on account of being able to fight with and/or against him at endgame/near-endgame levels of power and not be immensely outclassed. But let's give it up for the moon feat let's go baby moon feat yahoo Edit 4: Cole: Friends? Back in Empire City the Beast almost killed me. John: I'm so sorry. The act of rebirth was...kind of overwhelming. I was nothing but nerves and impulse, just lashing out at whatever I sensed as a threat. And there was no greater threat than you. The Beast had no reason to hold back in either fight against Cole, the former due to not having any sense of mind to recognise friend from foe, and the latter due to the two fighting over the fate of the planet, why would he be holding back to like 10%? lol But moon feat baby I love the moon feat let's gooooo Edit 5: I didn't think you were actually going to bring up the moon feat, so all my memeing is a little funny in retrospect, however...: inFamous 2 dead drop dialogue "Bad Omen": Sebastian: Audio surveillance of Agent John White, file D102. John: I was carrying the Ray Sphere out of the lab when Kessler stopped me. It was... strange. He said that I had an important destiny, that I'd accomplish great things. Sebastian: I used to be a skeptic, but many of his predictions actually do come true. John: I don't know... the way he looked at me... Made me want him to be wrong. inFamous 2 dead drop dialogue "Trifecta 2": Sebastian: Audio surveillance X27. Meeting with John White and Lucy Kuo. Lucy: Look, we've all heard Kessler's prediction. A Conduit of incredible power will rise up in Empire City and then decimate humanity. After everything we've seen... I for one believe him. Sebastian: He convinced me as well. John: All of Kessler's predictions have come true. He won't be wrong about the big one. Sebastian: Pity the NSA doesn't share our convictions. John: They would just fall back on guns anyhow. We are the only ones who understand the nature of the situation. Lucy: Well, if we can't work within the NSA, then we have to go out on our own. inFamous 2 dead drop dialogue "Bertrand Goes Ballistic Part 1" Sebastian: Audio surveillance of Joseph Bertrand, file B62. Joseph: Did you know Kessler had visions of the future? I had him over for lunch yesterday. Said he was visiting to inspect our facilities, but I suspect he came here to New Marais just to give me a message. He predicts the arrival of a Conduit with such power and wrath it's gonna consume the world. He called it The Beast. He said it would come here, to New Marais, that we must arm ourselves, prepare for its coming. He said we don't have much time. Sebastian: Sounds ridiculous. Joseph: Oh yes, indeed it is. But you know? I do believe in prophecy, Doctor. What do you know about nuclear weapons? As these dead drops display, regardless of the specifics of Kessler's time travel, every single prediction he's made about the future has been correct, he's even predicted the Beast emerging from Empire City and traveling to New Marais as he does in the game itself and heavily that he's aware of John's true identity. All of this is to say that this Beast is provably the same person and did the same actions as the original inFamous, only deviating as a result of actions that Kessler himself had put into motion throughout his life. With that in mind, even information he's unaware of, such as the Beast's true motivations, should still be applicable to the original Beast, especially given that the only reason John even knew about Cole was because Cole was actively involved in the events in Empire City, an event Kessler directly caused and/or accelerated and dragged Cole into the primary conflict, in contrast to Kessler choosing to flee from the fight. As for the moon's destruction being unquantifiable, this is technically true - but given that the moon has completely no relation to John's goals (unless you want to argue there's a secret society of unawakened conduits living on the moon who brought the plague with them :p), there's no plausible motivation for timeline A John to attack it for an extended period of time, and thus the attack logically should have been either accidental (the intended target dodged) or incidental (the intended target just flew to the moon or something).
@balrogblaze9064
6 ай бұрын
I added all the powers he has the blades really don’t matter as they’d just fall under electricity manipulation So I explained this it’s not an explosion it’s vaporisation via radiation. So John isn’t omniscient and we know when Conduits awaken their powers they can’t control them properly and if the Ray sphere didn’t rip Cole, Nix or Bertrand apart during there exposure using occums razor with all the context we have it’s most probable that John couldn’t control his power thus he was ripped apart cause when he learn to control it he can now put himself back together at will. So not quite Cole did hurt him but it wasn’t a double down that’s a gross oversimplification of the fight the Beast won thanks to his regen but Cole does acknowledge he was too weak to beat him anyway. The nuke didn’t destroy the Beast body you actually can’t prove that as when the nuke hits the screen goes black and the next time we see him he is regenerating form that energy ball like he did in the beginning of the game otherwise what you’re claiming he is using the slowest wind up for a teleport I’ve seen in fiction? No again using deductive reasoning from what we know it’s more likely the bomb destroyed his body and is now regenerating. This matters because by all rights Zeke should’ve been absorbed as the Ray sphere world break him down and pass him between Aldin, Cole and Kessler. This is in more reference to show it’s not an explosion which like it or not this heavily kills that position. While true for explosions this doesn’t matter as again this point was to show Conduits are immune to Ray Field radiation which is what makes the craters through vaporisation and again you get zero durability feat cause as I stated in the video if you want to hold this view then it wouldn’t matter if it was a rat, chimp or human you automatically scale them to city based off calculations which is just a no go especially once you find out they’re immune to the stuff that causes the feat. I never mentioned characters don’t scale to Cole anyway so I don’t get this point Because the attack he uses is never stated to carry his full power behind it neither in game or guide (also you can be going all out doesn’t mean every attack carries all your AP) I wanted to try and give some justification to the attack (the one where he throws energy ball at you) by giving it a quantifiable number by using 10% of his full AP I could’ve quite easy as to not and each hit would be unquantifiable or usable scaling wise I purposely did something I shouldn’t to give Cole better durability then he is shown to have. The problem is when you have a series that works of a multiverse system like inFAMOUS what you need to actually prove that they are the same in each timeline is for them to have the exact same traits, so while history can be the same in a multiverse doesn’t mean the people are as shown with Kessler as he is taller and has a completely different power he uses pure energy not electricity (before you bring it up Electricity isn’t like pure energy like electromagnetic radiation it a different energy that is not any less pure why does this matter because EMR is technically light while electricity is a byproduct) While Kessler’s Beast is shown to have superior strength off raising volcanos and the unquantifiable moon feat which Cole’s Beast hasn’t shown anywhere near the same level in power. Kessler’s beast moon feat is unquantified because we don’t know how long and with how many shots it took him to do this, you don’t say well he has no reason to hold back must be in one shot that’s not how that works cause you can’t prove that unless you get a timeframe and the amount of shots it took you cannot use this feat cause again it’s unquantifiable.
@numbug1234
6 ай бұрын
@@balrogblaze9064 1. DLC powers in inFamous 2 have more varied purposes than strong melee hit, such as the one that functions like a grappling hook. 2. It's quite literally called a blast, including by characters who know how it functions (like Kessler), and the literal first cutscene of the game has it yeet an entire car directly into a distant helicopter. Besides, you can still calculate vaporisation feats, they aren't some special hax ability that ignores AP and durability. 3. Cole (good karma): [...] and I hit that Ray Sphere with everything I've got. But something goes wrong. The Ray Sphere cracks open, creating a vortex of energy. John's pulled in... ...and it tears him apart. Cole (evil karma): [...] Then John rips it away, telling me I'm crazy, screaming. But it's too late. The Ray Sphere breaks open, creating a vortex. It tears John apart. Cole: John, you're dead. John: You're right. I was, for a while. I can still feel it... The Ray Sphere, exploding, tearing me apart atom by atom. John didn't get torn apart because he "didn't know how to use his powers", he was pulled into the vortex caused by the Ray Sphere and then got torn apart by it, as confirmed both by what Cole sees and what John himself says. And there's no reason to say he's wrong without evidence to the contrary, especially as he's talking about how he can still feel it even after pulling himself back together. 4. Cole still harmed the Beast, his lightning still tore off half the Beast's head and briefly knocked it out - requiring it to pull itself back together prior to booming Empire City. Cole acknowledging he's weaker only serves to establish it as downscaling rather than failure to scale. 5. I never said "the Beast completely tanked the missile and then teleported", I said that the Beast was still in one piece for the first few seconds, and this is something we can see (as you noted in the video itself, it made him "fall onto his ass") - it took at least a few seconds for the nuke to actually do visible damage, at which point the Beast was already out of view. 6. Animal testing would necessitate that the Ray Sphere does... not explode, given that the audio logs we get of animal testing to not indicate any kind of structural damage to the surrounding area, not even any sounds from such an event. And given that both Cole and John mention that they can feel the Ray Sphere pulling on them (while Zeke makes no such mention). John: you know, I had that thing in my hands once. Kessler asked me to hold it while he adjusted some cables during a test. I could feel it pulsing, like something was inside, trying to get out. It's not right. Cole (evil karma): I pick up the Ray Sphere and instantly feel it leeching off me... ...humming and crackling, growing in power. 7. "you can be going all out doesn't mean every attack carries your full AP" this is, frankly, backwards. Going all out inherently means giving everything you got, and if the Beast's strongest attack is to just nuke the city anyways then why even bother walking up to Cole and using a variety of other attacks, given that the nuke would just kill two birds with one stone (throw his strongest attack at his greatest threat AND activate unactivated conduits at the same time). Hell, we can even see that he can do blasts that aren't just full city destruction sized when he directly shows Cole how he can awaken conduits. 8. Going by the information provided in-game, OG timeline Cole, Trish, and Zeke all looked identical to their altered timeline counterparts, Kessler's differences come from his age and cybernetic implants, and as noted by Sebastian himself, most if not all of Kessler's predictions do come true, even noting that he used to be a skeptic of these predictions. He even makes predictions that take place after his death which turn out to be completely accurate. John: I was carrying the Ray Sphere out of the lab when Kessler stopped me. It was... strange. He said that I had an important destiny, that I'd accomplish great things. Sebastian: I used to be a skeptic, but many of his predictions actually do come true. John: I don't know... the way he looked at me... Made me want him to be wrong. Lucy: Look, we've all heard Kessler's prediction. A Conduit of incredible power will rise up in Empire City and then decimate humanity. After everything we've seen... I for one believe him. Sebastian: He convinced me as well. John: All of Kessler's predictions have come true. He won't be wrong about the big one. Joseph: Did you know Kessler had visions of the future? I had him over for lunch yesterday. Said he was visiting to inspect our facilities, but I suspect he came here to New Marais just to give me a message. He predicts the arrival of a Conduit with such power and wrath it's gonna consume the world. He called it The Beast. He said it would come here, to New Marais, that we must arm ourselves, prepare for its coming. He said we don't have much time. Not that this is too important, given that Kessler directly says that he could have stopped the Beast if he chose to fight instead of run, and the entirety of his plan revolves around making sure his alternate timeline self would choose to fight the Beast instead of fleeing. Cole (narrating the vision given to him by Kessler): I saw his nemesis, a beast intent on extinguishing all life. In those early days, Kessler could've used his powers to stop it. [worth noting that this is the earliest point that the moon can be seen in the vision] ...but instead he fled with his family, leaving others to fend for themselves. [...] Cole (still narrating the same vision): My brain lurched, unable to accept that Kessler and I were the same person... ...that he'd come back in time to mold me into the saviour he failed to be. 9. Let's do a small thought experiment as to the time frame of the moon cracking. Option 1: doesn't scale Required assumptions: 1 that the Beast had some motivation divorced from his core mission to attack the moon and/or attacked it by complete accident 2 that the Beast chose to continue this attack on the moon for an extended period of time despite it having nothing to do with his core mission (and we know it's John because Kessler heavily implies that John will end up being the beast, which is consistent with his ability to accurately predict the future of the altered timeline, given that John ended up being the Beast) 3 that the news media televising the broken moon as part of the Beast's rampage chose something that would not accurately reflect what the Beast was capable of (admittedly out of the assumptions present, this is the easiest one to make) 4 that Kessler showing the moon breaking in his vision was not an accurate reflection of how powerful the Beast is (and by extension setting Cole's expectations up far beyond what he should reasonably expect) Option 2: does scale Required assumptions: 1 that the Beast had some motivation divorced from his core mission to attack the moon and/or attacked it by complete accident As you can see, the latter option requires significantly less assumptions, and in fact the one assumption required is identical to that of the former option. Not only that, but Kessler's predictions have a tendency to be accurate, and the only error he made in the entire franchise can be explained by virtue of him choosing to flee instead of fight, meaning John had no means to speak with him in comparison to just continuing to convert unawakened conduits into awakened conduits. Even if it took the Beast a full minute to crack the moon, a stretch given, again, he has no motivation to, that would still make his effective AP 1/60th of the force required (as an estimation on how much force he can put out in a single second).
@balrogblaze9064
6 ай бұрын
@@numbug1234 1. M’kay 2. It doesn’t matter if it’s called a blast they don’t know what else to call it so calling it blast means nothing. Okay so it has a shockwave and…, you are absolutely correct but if you’re flat immune to the thing that makes the vaporisation feat then it means nothing. 3. Cole is making an assumption of what went wrong he hasn’t a clue why or how what happened to John. So you talk about without evidence proving such we do have that the fact we know conduits do not know how to control their powers when awakened and with the context we have with conduits awakening and Johns power it makes more sense he did it to himself. 4. He can hurt the Beast that’s fine and saying knocked out is being extremely generous winded would be the better word. Also Empire City is still standing you can see it in the cutscene after he does the explosion what he does is turn it into a necropolis which is consistent cause Evil Cole does the exact same thing to New Marais. He can downscale that’s fine but when you have a series like inFAMOUS that treats durability differently then AP you now need to ask what good durability feats does John have which is none and if you say well he takes hits from Cole so he should scale to Cole’s ap no two reasons, one Cole’s strongest attack completely destroys parts of his body so not a durability feat regen yes durability no, second if you were the go the route of but both can hurt each other this turns into circular scaling as neither have good durability feats especially since you didn’t approve of my generous giving to Cole. 5. And I’m saying you logic would be that if the Beast wasn’t destroyed by the bomb then it would have to be the longest wind up time for a teleport I have seen, now you say his body is still together for around 2 to 3 seconds we see him fall then the screen turns to black once the shockwave hits using deductive reason it makes more sense that he was destroyed by the blast otherwise what reason does he have to regenerate from that energy ball. 6. You are absolutely correct the Ray Sphere doesn’t explode, when Kessler tests on rats, Chimps or David none of these tests results in an explosion and from what we know of what the Sphere does it still falls under vaporisation otherwise to support the view it should be seen as bomb each time it’s uses it should cause an explosion even if it was a minimal explosion that only damaged the box. Furthermore proof of this can be seen with Zeke when Aldin’s tower wasn’t blown up and Nix and Bertrand shows the same sized platform that Cole was on if it was an explosion the entire area platform and all should not exist as an explosion starts at the epicentre the strongest point of an explosion. 7. This is not backwards in fact we know this to be the case otherwise your arguing Cole’s standard bolt has the same power as Ionic Storm which if you do means he has no reason to ever use his Ionic powers. I’ve explained Beast didn’t wipe out Empire city. 8. No, no, no it wouldn’t matter if they look the same Kessler doesn’t and has a completely different powerset, and now cause you’re trying to argue he changed his height with cybertronics you now need an extremely good burden of proof to prove this unless you have a statement he decided to give himself moon boots you have nothing. Kessler should know what’s going on but here’s the problem in a multiverse history can march the same in every universe but that doesn’t mean everyone is the same in every universe and because we know it works of an infinite multiverse (thanks to the guidebook) This explains why Kessler uses pure energy and is taller plus the fact his Beast is shown to have vastly superior feats to Cole’s again using Occums razor they are fundamentally different not everyone has to change even one person puts this into perspective. Ah yes the but Kessler says he could beat the Beast argument which holds no ground whatsoever why should we believe him he hasn’t shown any level of proof that he could besides from his own admission which means nothing I used this In the video but I’ll use it again I say I could beat prime heavyweight champion Mike Tyson would you just take my word at face value? No you wouldn’t I haven’t shown you I can so why are we taking the word of a man who is thinking this Is retrospect a man suffering from survivors guide and depression bottom line he has nothing to back this claim up thus we shouldn’t take it also inFAMOUS 2s beginning spits in the face of this as Cole lost and if he wasn’t rescued from the water he’d be dead. Also to add weight to this who runs for years from someone who’s by his admission obviously weaker than himself? He also never fought his Beast either I forget to add this point my bad 9. Let’s do a though experiment I claim I destroyed a town, you have zero context how I did it or in what timeframe Do you A scale me to town level not knowing how and length of time it took me to do said thing? Or do you B Give me town level without any context or reason just because you want me to be there under the umbrella of but he has no reason to hold back so it must be in one shot?
@numbug1234
6 ай бұрын
@@balrogblaze9064Gonna try & condense these: 1. the Ray Sphere So Kessler, the man responsible for accelerating the Ray Sphere, who performs all manner of tests and experiments to ensure that the Ray Sphere is working correctly, whose entire plan revolves around making this thing and making sure it works correctly... doesn't know the first thing about how it works? Because that's what you're arguing with a straight face if you claim that Kessler only called it a blast because he doesn't know what it is. A blast that still causes wild damage to the surrounding area (including areas that are not full on vaporised but still heavily damaged), and a strong enough shockwave that it can launch a car all the way across the city. Also, it's not vaporisation, in a vs sense. Vaporisation is destroying something so completely that all which remains is vapor, usually via statements. But the statements for how the Ray Sphere works is atomisation (or destroying things on an atomic level). Regardless, these things operate under real world science, and thus applying powerscaling logic to them suggests that these can directly measure durability by approximating the raw amount of force applied. Where does that force originate from? The Ray Sphere, a tiny little sphere with some kinda vortex inside of it. There's no statements that this release of energy just "skips" some of the surrounding space, and in fact statements that imply the opposite (like the Kessler one I shared in the previous comment), so operating that it stands to reason that the guy holding a Ray Sphere in his hands would withstand a majority of that force no matter what. And don't use Alden's tower as an example of there being no explosion when everyone involved is confused - even Kessler took a moment to realise what was going on, all context points towards it not triggering that atomic explosion BECAUSE Zeke lacks the Conduit gene. 2. The vortex That vortex Cole describes? We SEE it. Cole describes SEEING it pull in John, and the visuals line up with this. We see what he's describing and it lines up with what he says. John not being able to control his powers? We don't see any evidence of that. We don't see an implication, nobody makes such a claim, all claims made are in the opposite direction. Please don't assume the characters are wrong about what they're seeing unless you can actually back it up. 3. Beast explosions We don't see ALL of Empire City still standing, we see SOME of it - we do not know how much was destroyed. That being said, an explosion is still an explosion. We see the Beast exploding Empire City, and there being broken skyscrapers afterwards doesn't change the fact that it's, you know, an explosion. 4. Character scaling Cole's STRONGEST attack pierces through half of his head. Key word: STRONGEST. We see the Beast being able to withstand Cole's regular attacks for an extended period of time, that's literally powerscaling 101. We also see Cole being able to withstand the Beast's attacks for an extended period of time. The Beast may be stronger than inFamous 1 Cole/beginning-of-inFamous 2 Cole, but it's still within a comparable range. If the explosions are the Beast's strongest attacks, then why didn't he use it on Cole? Kill two birds with one stone right there, it would. Even if Cole survived he would be quite injured from being at the epicentre of this powerful explosion, and the Beast would have awakened all of the surviving Conduits in New Marais as a result. 5. The nuke Second time in a row you misunderstood the nuke thing, so let me break it down as simply as possible, so that there is 0 room for confusion. 1: the nuke hits 2: the Beast falls over onto his ass, proving that he can withstand the nuke's blast for a few seconds 3: the telescope binocular homing thing cuts off, at which point the Beast could get blown apart off-screen 4: the Beast reforms after those few seconds That would still mean the Beast, despite ultimately being torn apart, could still withstand a few seconds of nuke. Ignoring that the game never actually says for sure that the Beast got torn apart and when it reforms while everyone's surprised that it's still kicking nobody bothers to mention if it's reforming or a slow ass teleport on par with Sonic Adventure 2's Chaos Control. Ignoring that, because it's not important to the fact that worst case scenario it still withstood the initial boom of the nuke. 6. Kessler's Future First of all, the games themselves take the most priority, by virtue of being the primary media. In the games, we see Kessler with electrical powers during his boss fight, and during the final vision he provides before dying. We know Cole does not exclusively have electrokinesis as he displays tangentially related powers such as magnekinesis (picking up and hovering metal objects in 2), not to mention that the primary purpose of the Ray Sphere (and the Beast) is to awaken one's Conduit genes which already have their latent powers by pumping energy into them. Kessler, who would have a larger variety of powers due to more time to practice (and cybernetic limbs which provide plausible deniability), was still primarily shown with electrical powers during the brief time we see of him as Cole (a time which we see from his very memories). As for if we should believe his claim about being able to beat the Beast? Well, yeah. He claims it not because he's boasting, but because he regrets not standing up to the Beast and fighting. After his family dies, his big plan to defeat the Beast? Train up an alternative version of him. Set up that alternate version of him to fight the Beast. If he sincerely thought someone else could fight the Beast, he likely would've chosen to assist them best he can after time traveling. But he chose another version of himself for the best chance at fighting the Beast. 7. Thought experiment You take the route of least assumptions, not dodge the question entirely because assumptions exist. Assumptions are always going to exist, especially when contradictions come up, so taking the route of minimising assumptions is best. And in this context we know for a fact that it wouldn't make sense for The Beast to spend a full year, or a full month, or a full day, or even a full hour just trying to crack the moon apart. If The Beast broke the moon, then why would he have even done that? And this is all ignoring the fact that in order to break the moon *apart* he would still need to overcome the moon's gravitational binding energy no matter what (since otherwise his attempts would either increase the moon's mass or progressively make it smaller and smaller), which presents a bare minimum threshold to overcome. So what's more likely? A. the Beast threw an attack at the moon that was strong enough to overcome the moon's gravitational binding energy, in order for it to crack into three distinct, visually separate pieces like we saw in-game. B. we don't see the process, he just spent 50 years or so shooting a laser or smth at the moon instead of saving the population from the Ray Sphere radiation that's killing everyone.
@balrogblaze9064
6 ай бұрын
@@numbug1234 1. Just because someone builds it and call it an explosion doesn’t mean anything if it’s the easiest way to explain what happened even if it’s not accurate. No vaporisation in a verses sense is what happens is when something is vaporised which is what happened unless you’re trying to say the Ray Sphere pulverised the area which isn’t correct at all. Also you can vaporise things on a atomic level so I’m still correct. I will use Aldin’s tower cause it show’s directly it’s not an explosion like a bomb and with the Kessler example he knew what was going on he was trying to get Zeke to give him the sphere which by no means, means he had to be telling the truth especially if he is playing off Zeke’s greed and envy to get it back. 2. I couldn’t careless what Cole sees. We have no evidence John can’t control his power no, no it’s not like we see this we every conduit besides one hell even Delson needed time to learn and he was a natural conduit and we see with Cole and Kuo you need time to learn how to use your abilities. If his abilities allow him to manipulate his own and others atoms it makes more sense it awakened his powers he couldn’t control them and thus tore himself apart and assumed it was because of the Ray Sphere. 3. No, no we see it doesn’t we don’t see the whole city destroyed and you don’t have enough evidence to claim it was, a destroyed city has many different definitions like destroying all civilians or enough of it like how it’s said the Little Boy and Fat Man destroyed Nagasaki and Hiroshima but a lot of the areas in these cities were still standing. And again we see this isn’t the case with Evil Cole and New Marais. Also The Beast power as I show in the video is the same type of power as the Ray Sphere which is? Oh yes atomic manipulation thus vaporisation. 4. Nice backtracking son, by your logic it wouldn’t matter if he was using a standard bolt or Ionic Lightning by your logic he’d have no reason to hold back thus every attack would carry the same AP irregardless this is your former stance. We really don’t and even if we did cause you again disagree with my generous giving to Cole this attacks have unquantifiable power to scale to. Why would he? Also Cole is shown to be constantly amped by sub stations during the entire of the final fight 5. Let’s me explain the nuke to you son 1. The nuke hits 2. He falls over (without any evidence he tanked the blast which let’s be clear if he tanked it he’d have zero reason to regenerate) screen goes to black due to shockwave. 3. The Beast regenerates from blast as I stated in 2 if he could take the blow he’d have zero, zip, none, nada, nein reasons to regenerate, thus no durability feat to be given let me put it to you like this you have zero to prove he could tank the blow and in the same mission Cole doesn’t want the bomb to explode in transportation cause it will kill him 6. Nah, nah, nah yes primary canon is the games but the games never say Kessler’s powers are electricity that is a visual fallacy and thus we don’t know we go to the secondary which tells us it’s pure energy which I don’t know why you’d attack it when it gives Cole his best speed feat as the guidebooks says he can sidestep the Railgun which is pure energy (by the by the guidebook points out he has teleportation and vibration manipulators while the robots are made with pure energy all things Cole doesn’t have). No he hasn’t he has shown to speed blitz Cole via teleportation and during the fight via guidebook uses pure energy sorry cause the primary doesn’t state what he uses you use the secondary which shows pure energy just because you don’t like it means nothing. Sorry calling him a coward doesn’t change the fact he never fought him and you don’t flee from what you can beat. Not quite his plan was to awaken himself early to allow him to get powerful enough to be able to fight the Beast when he showed up unfortunately 2 spat in his face post death cause Cole still lost this doesn’t get any better if you take the route that Cole was getting the same strength he had during 1 at the end of 2 with just more hax and again in the final battle it’s stated in game and in guidebook he was constantly being amped by substations to fight the Beast literally buying time for the RFI the thing that amped his abilities to the extent he could via genocide 7. I see you dodged my question without answering but for the last time if it was to hold your throat and ask you can you give me an accurate timeframe and the amount of attacks it took to do this would you be able to answer? No cause you’re assuming the absolutely best case scenario without any evidence bottom line especially with other verses if you have zero timeframe or amount of attacks take feats like this with a major mountain of salt cause if I held your feet to the fire you wouldn’t and couldn’t give me an accurate answer thus it becomes unquantifiable that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen we just don’t know how it happened which is a major problem cause you say binding energy okay did he use one blast or fire at it like Vegeta’s Big Bang Storm. Bottom line if you can’t give me a timeframe and the amount of attacks it took, you can take that feat shine it up real nice turn the son of a bitch sideways and shove it up your candy ass
@nelosparda4798
Жыл бұрын
"Infamous players must be Yu-Gi-Oh cause those mother fuckers can't read" damn bro you didn't have to do them like that lmfao (also I'm happy to see your editing improve keep it up man)
@balrogblaze9064
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I’m happy the joke landed
@lordshaxx7727
Ай бұрын
I didn’t know he could resurrect
@DeathBattleFan-wi4cc
Жыл бұрын
8:13 So he's capable of dishing out trillions of volts with both his Ionic and lightning storms. That insane since I can't think of any electric character that can rival that voltage besides possibly Comic book characters. Yeah, if that hits Mercer, then he's screwed.
@xxprototypexx5056
7 ай бұрын
You clearly never saw his Alex vs wesker video. Lol
@theinsurance2450
Жыл бұрын
I disagree. Cole does scale to the Ray Sphere. Kessler mentioned multiple times he was afraid the "blast" would kill him. He didn't say heat from radiation. He clearly said "the BLAST". Referring to the blast. Yes the Ray Sphere does give Conduits powers but doesn't mean that they will alwasy survive. They just have a higher chance because of their natural durability and healing factor from their powers. Also in Infamous 2 flashback with Nix and Bertrard. Cole clearly says Nix was at the edge of the blast. Meaning she didn't get the full force of it. Yet Bertrand was at the center. Also a person carrying the conduit gene who has train their mental abilities has more resistance to the effects of the Ray Sphere. This showed by two examples. 1. In John dead drops from Infamous 1. One of the test to join the first sons is to test pre conduit mental and physical capabilities. Like the big guy punching John telling him to focus. This is done to test pre conduit users so when they use the Ray Sphere they have a higher chance of survival and increasing their powers. 2. Alden. Cole stated the Blast made Alden even more powerful. Meaning Alden was in the blast radius probably at the edge. Even before the Ray Sphere was created Alden at a young age was a powerful Mentalist. Years of training his mind made his body resilient to the Ray Sphere blast. Even at the edge. That's why Nix was passed out and Bertrard was up. Nix had no training so she was pass out. But she didn't take the full blast at the center so she survived. While Bertrand being already a high member of first sons and plan to use the Ray Sphere, had all the mental training. The fact Cole survive at the center with no mental training just shows how powerful he is. Even with John knowing it too. Implying Cole was "a STRONG one" when talking to Kuo in the Infamous 2 dead drops. Also the ground surrounding the user is just for show. A story design. You looking too much into it. It like saying why doesn't the weight of an object fall on top of super strong person when they lift it up. Dude it just looks cooler. Not everything in science fiction has to be an exact science.
@balrogblaze9064
Жыл бұрын
Kessler didn’t know if the experiment would work that’s why he check his vitals also saying the blast doesn’t make it an explosion it’s a wave of radiation not an explosion like a bomb. False Conduits always survive the blast the game literally shows you they do with the Ray Sphere explanation, animals with the gene also survive as I showed in the video, David in the comics, the Beast in the plague Ward and Cole during the evil ending where he literally makes the same Ray Sphere blast that covers New Marais killing every non Conduit and only leaving the Conduits unharmed I cover this in the video and show the scan the Beast has the same power as the Ray Sphere. Wouldn’t matter where she stood by virtue of both being Conduits they survived. I. Alden got stronger cause any Conduit that is exposed to the Ray Sphere’s radiation never have powers taken away just enhanced or given new ones refer to David in the comic. I don’t get your mental training point but that Rat must’ve had that Master Splinter level mental training and Zeke must’ve also had some strong training to resist using the Ray Sphere. If this point is to try and demonstrate he should be capable of tanking the force of the blast sorry but if your immune to something you don’t get the durability from that they Ray Sphere blast is a wave of radiation not an actual explosion like from a nuke I cover this in the video. Cole survived because Conduits are immune to Ray Field radiation any conduit would’ve survived be it animal or human. Ground is for show. No. 2 goes out of its way to show the crater in the swamp is the exact same as the one in Empire City even the comic shows this isn’t for show. Bottom line if Conduits weren’t shown to be immune to the radiation of the Ray Sphere once they awaken this would fly but because the series in 1, Comic, 2, Second Son and First Light show this to be the opposite I cannot grant him any durability off of the Ray Sphere again I cover it in the video.
@theinsurance2450
Жыл бұрын
@@balrogblaze9064 wrong. VS BATTLE WIKI says otherwise. It says right under durability: Tanked being at the epicenter of the Ray Sphere Blast. Before his powers even manifested. (City Level) durability. It even said he took hits from the beast who was bloodlusted during the first fight. Are you saying you know more than them.
@balrogblaze9064
Жыл бұрын
@@theinsurance2450 absolutely I do, don’t trust everything on the vswiki or any other powerscaling wikia, wikias aren’t bad for a starting point but it’s best to do your own research and see what conclusion you come to i guarantee you you’ll come to a different conclusion sometimes also mods have admitted to ignoring feats and evidence if it doesn’t fit their narrative. By the by vswiki isn’t the arbiter of Vs and powerscaling they’ve been shown to be wrong and change their opinions all the time. Also I address some of their arguments in the video they’re only comeback to trying to say the Ray Sphere counts is from the Blast Shard bombs but again I address this in the video on how the bombs around the city are different to the Ray Sphere blast
@reggielacey2235
Жыл бұрын
VSB IS UNRELAIBLE tons of us know more then them @@theinsurance2450
@solorhypercane5041
11 ай бұрын
@@theinsurance2450 right vsbattles. The same guys that put delsin rowe and lucy kuo in high 7-A totally reliable source
@akaliimaene2103
6 ай бұрын
damn you said resurrection that means that lightning bolt in the end of infamous 2 good karma that struck him means possibility that he was supposed to come back
@balrogblaze9064
6 ай бұрын
Only time and hope can tell
@akaliimaene2103
6 ай бұрын
@@balrogblaze9064 I know right I've played the game again recently again and saw the ending and I'm like man this had to be a cliffhanger of his return. there's still so much more to see you know questions that need answers like where is his tattoos come from why his lightning isn't white or something of that sort you know
@hotmcfly9247
5 ай бұрын
You should have more subs but new sub yo
@balrogblaze9064
5 ай бұрын
Thanks
@SoraIgarashi
11 ай бұрын
Idk why but I can hear the infamous story over and over
@emmanueldejucos4727
Жыл бұрын
I guess you need to be creative what if nix and kuo swap powers instead of Cole like this is the best what if infamous.
@the-man426
Жыл бұрын
What if the Canon ending was the evil route
@emmanueldejucos4727
Жыл бұрын
@@the-man426 we already seen it how it goes.
@the-man426
Жыл бұрын
@@emmanueldejucos4727 when?
@xxprototypexx5056
7 ай бұрын
It wouldn't work at all because the came states only compatible conduit powers can be swapped. Ice is obviously not a match for napalm.
@emmanueldejucos4727
7 ай бұрын
@@xxprototypexx5056 why? Is it because there gray can't be solid with mental mix up elementary powers?
@pimpdemon9458
Жыл бұрын
Great video
@balrogblaze9064
Жыл бұрын
Thanks you
@jackmartin8747
9 ай бұрын
Wish they would put this on gamepass
@balrogblaze9064
9 ай бұрын
I wish they just release the games to current gen consoles
@pimpdemon9458
8 ай бұрын
@@balrogblaze9064 you mean a remastered
@spideyfan95
Жыл бұрын
God, I miss this game.
@raphaelgonzaga1044
Жыл бұрын
people get confused about the beast being from the "future" because they didn't see the part of the game, First of all, yes, the beast from the future has a planetary power, it is debatable, the same managed to blow up parts of the moon, which is multi continental, but the thing is that kessler does not match the beast From the future Only from the present, but only in the awakening, the "non-cities" beast already increases the power is a lot, but trying to nerf it by saying that it is a natural event of destruction, does not detract from the power of the beast, It's affecting cities anyway, I don't take Demetrius very seriously that: * doesn't show that the City was destroyed* after all we only have the visual, but only a portion, so I believe the beast Yes Destroy entire cities with your pure power, not only affecting but obliterating them Completely. There are things that don't make sense in my view: Does the beast not destroy cities? Or did he not use all the power? What the hell is that? Literally an attempt to nerf Cole, every time he fought him, he excelled, there are a lot of people who say he doesn't equal the beast and everything, something he doesn't very sense. The conduits Not having the power of the sphere of rays is even interesting.
@balrogblaze9064
Жыл бұрын
I not debating whether or not the Beast from Kessler’s timeline is multi con to planetary the problem is we don’t have a timeframe thus we can’t give him anything scaling wise as much as it sucks we need a timeframe for something like that we don’t know key details like time or how many attacks it took etc. Kessler only scales to the Beast in the present? Can you clarify what you mean. Cause the usual argument is he scales to his Beast. Non city Beast increased its power. Do you have a statement that demonstrates an increase of power over time or are you just assuming without evidence. Also you do know people claim the Beast in Cole’s timeline was wiping cities off the map which is not true at all as I show with Empire City if you want more evidence of what he does check out the evil ending for inFAMOUS 2 what Cole does to New Marais is what the Beast is doing to the cities and we can see Nee Marais is still standing. I a say it’s more like a natural disaster cause that’s what the game describes it as and by the by even some of the most violent nature disasters haven’t brought whole cities to the ground. You believe he destroyed the entirety of Empire City and others even though we see buildings still standing so you’re coping without evidence to suggest your claim. Tell you what bring me footage or a statement that’s what he is doing otherwise you’re assuming without evidence. Does the Beast destroy cities; no, what he does is go into a city activate his power awakening dormant Conduits then leaves he is not leaving craters in his wake think of it more like leaving necropsies then craters just like what is shown in the Evil ending of inFAMOUS 2. Maybe he does use all his power maybe he doesn’t I couldn’t tell you Mhm yep definitely out here trying to nerf Cole even though if I wanted to I could hard cap him at Large Town off his Ionic Storm Every time he fought he excelled who Cole or the Beast, if you mean Beast yeah he demolishes Cole the two times they fight he’ll the second time Cole had to be connected to substations to be consistently amped during the entire fight.
@raphaelgonzaga1044
10 ай бұрын
@@balrogblaze9064 I thought a lot about answering you, but I see that you are the type of person who does not accept a person contradicts you. I can already see that you are very convinced of your response against me, when I read "show me a recording" I can already see that you think your arguments are Irrefutable, things that are not. But I don't want to prolong such a big and unnecessary discussion.
@balrogblaze9064
10 ай бұрын
@@raphaelgonzaga1044 then why respond?
@raphaelgonzaga1044
10 ай бұрын
@@balrogblaze9064 Why do not you answer? But it won't be worth it, it's better to just leave this discussion aside.
@balrogblaze9064
10 ай бұрын
@@raphaelgonzaga1044 what do you want me to answer you didn’t ask a question you made a statement
@Trane141Kingz
11 ай бұрын
I still love this game 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@balrogblaze9064
11 ай бұрын
As you should it’s a great series
@DT25659
11 ай бұрын
You, He Who Dwells, and Crisis have the best power scaling for Infamous
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