Fuck this massive violation of my privacy. I want to drink coffee, get up and use the bathroom after consuming such coffee, and come back to my seat. I wanna be able to wave to my little brother. I want to be able to mumble to myself, and look around my room. I’m not clearing off my desk for a test. I have OCD and I need to do certain movements/mumble or I go insane. But not as insane as the use of this 1984 program.
@sdcstats
3 жыл бұрын
You bring up good points except.... except this is a TEST! Would your teacher let you get up and go to the bathroom ? Then they can tell Honorlock to allow the same thing. All you have to do is ask. Would your teacher allow you to have that stuff on your desk for a test? If so then they won't have a problem with that stuff out on your desk during the 360 scan. It's certainly more than you'd have on your desk in the classroom - certainly more comfortable for someone with OCD. I have seen students mumble, sing and scream profanities in frustrations - allowed in Honorlock. Not during a class test though, so this is... better? I have seen students wave to their brother, tell their mother they aren't done yet, and shout at their girlfriend to not break their concentation. Allowed in Honorlock - but not in an exam in class... so this is better? Honorlock doesn't set the rules - the teacher does, and Honorlock doesn't touch test grades - they only report to the teacher and they make the decision. I've had students email me "Hey, I like to sing off key while I take the test, is that ok" and I tell them "sure - just don't talk to your friends on your cellphone". What you're really saying is you just want the teacher to trust you and not do any proctoring, but you know when that happens your collegues cheat and then you're being ranked according to others who don't follow the rules... or worse you're getting a degree that doesn't mean anything since so many people get a degree without actually learning the material. You reference 1984, all about a society where there was NO escape from big brother, in fact the main plot is the protagonist trying to find a tiny space to not be watched. I'm talking about a 50 minute exam. You should be able to handle being watched to take an exam - that's how education works. You can even choose the hour and the location. It's like comparing a scented candle to a gas chamber. This isn't 1984, it's an exam for a college course!
@canaanstuart3331
3 жыл бұрын
@@sdcstats Although your points are not incorrect, it’s the principle which is an issue to me. As for 1984 and how close we are to the book, I take it the point was understood. The idea that these measures are taken during this time of the world is in my mind, silly. I am not a professor as you are, I am a student. I do not have the concerns you do for the 100% validity of every student. I just simply feel... icky knowing that I am being watched in such a manner. Logically, yes, online proctoring makes sense. On an ethical principle however... I find it to be disheartening. It’s a breach of trust, but then again there is no true way to give 100% trust both ways in a dynamic like this. Although you make a logical argument, I have to disagree with you on principle. The advantage ultimately lies with the test maker, for better or for worst. Tests are a recollection of knowledge based on material. If you create a new test each semester with new questions from the material, it won’t be found online. There is no way to cheat on a test online if a professor takes the extra step to create their own tests, then these proctoring apps are not needed. If somebody cheats beyond that and finds something in a book under the pressure of a time constraint as tight as a test, then I reckon they had the knowledge enough to know where and how to look for it. They earned the point to me. But that’s just me. Agree to respectfully disagree.
@aidanmattson681
3 жыл бұрын
It’s not about being honest it’s about worrying getting DQed for something stupid. If you can’t write a test that has a difficult enough questions for an open-book test then you’re a fundamentally bad teacher. It’s not difficult, just restrict time and make things harder. Emphasize thinking over simple memorization. If you actually want them to apply their thinking then write your tests so that’s the thing you’re testing.
@sdcstats
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah! This is a much better response than all the others simply venting about how ticked they are that I would use this program. This response actually suggests an option - the use of open book tests. I teach some higher level courses, and this is very much my philosophy. There's no exam, instead a project, and since everyone has a different project you can't simply copy an essay written by someone else. Those essays take an hour each to grade well. This option is much more difficult when you have 200 students in an introductory course. Memorizing rules for statistics is helpful to build the basics for higher level classes (where more open methods can be expected). If the University could higher 10 teachers and the classes were 20 students it would be possible. Your idea of restricting time and test their thinking does work well for a specific type of student. Students who don't test well, or are great at statistics but don't write well would suffer. To be a good statistician does not mean you are good at writing essays. It's offensive to say that not doing open book tests means I'm a bad teacher. I'll assume you're just bad at making comments and don't know much about teaching. Exams should be similar to what was practiced for homework. There are "precision" courses which are trying to test a specific action or result. Some jobs need employees that can get the correct answer (imagine a contractor designing a home - those specifications need to be exactly correct). In that case being able to test that you have gotten the answer has value. If this is the correct test for the course then the issue isn't about being "bad at test writing". It's about finding a proctoring solution that works for how the course is designed.
@wafflesthearttoad6916
6 ай бұрын
I actually would lengthen time and add more short answer questions. Maybe I’m just a slow person though since I finished an in person test like 30 minutes early and spent another 30 minutes over answering the 3 short answer questions lol. 2 sentences turned into like 7-8. English reading test though, and I like reading so I generally have a lot to say about topics involving reading and personal theories. Maybe I just talk a lot. Or think a lot. Or both. Probably both…
@katy9569
3 жыл бұрын
You're bugging out. I'm not having my professor have a random video of me in my room saved on his program. I'm a girl. And there are creeps. You don't know who's crazy. Now he has my ID and knows all my whereabouts. In universities, you can't just acquire a student's personal information unless you have a legitimate reason to. Now with Honorlock not only does my professor have my information, but so does some random database I don't even know.
@sdcstats
3 жыл бұрын
What University puts your address on your ID? That's certainly weird. Let's pretend you did have your address on your school ID. The teacher already has access to your address through student information. And lots of unknown school adminitrators (along with photographs). Along with any online company you do business with. Honorlock is located several states away, and it's a lot harder to imagine them searching their database for people to creep on than administrators at your own school. The reason people don't mind administration having this information is because it's expected that's part of going to a University. Perhaps in the future "administration" will include the alumni coordinator, the marketing director, the exam proctor, the student analyst, and campus security. Then it will be expected and less likely to be viewed as "creepy". You said "unless you have a legitimate reason". Well knowing that you are the one taking the exam is a legtitamate reason. If a student said they wanted to get a degree from our University, but we didn't have a right to make sure they were the one doing all the work (instead of their parent or friend) I would say that's not how it works at our University. Getting a degree from A&M means we can verify a certain level of quality, and that ability to verify the quality is part of what makes the degree valuable to employers. You haven't suggested a better way to guard the integrity in an online exam. I would never save a video of a student's exam. That is creepy. Will we see cases of this happening in the future? I know there's already cases of professors recording students in class, or teachers harassing students in their office. Security cameras operate in stores, but nobody feels creeped out because it's expected and you act appropriately in public places. During the 50 minutes of the exam the area you choose to show in front of your camera becomes public. That's why you want to choose where to take the online exam so you feel safe. Creeps exist, and some people secretly film zoom meetings. Does that mean business meetings need to stop? We can guard the integrity during an online exam, but it will require verifying the student wasn't texing or messaging during the test. Just like an online English class might have you create a presentation and record yourself explaining your project. Similarly a statistics class might ask you to record your exam taking as a presentation of your learning in the course.
@katy9569
3 жыл бұрын
@@sdcstats I transferred to my university during COVID, and I was unable to get a university ID printed. So the only ID I have is my license. That's my point, depending on the student's situation and the school we all have different struggles.
@jameson3147
3 жыл бұрын
@@katy9569 he be the creep you mentioned saving your video
@ambercarr341
2 жыл бұрын
@@katy9569 Notice how he didn't reply to this
@big662
2 жыл бұрын
@@katy9569 exatcly. Online only students don’t get campus IDs. My mother had to use her driver license to get into a proctored test for her tests. Sounds like a future lawsuit waiting to happen.
@Asukol
2 жыл бұрын
Just because a person is doing nothing wrong doesn’t mean privacy isn’t valuable. There is nothing wrong or illegal with using the bathroom, but I still don’t shit with the door open.
@sdcstats
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting analogy because if you're doing a drug test it's possible you could be asked to use the bathroom with someone monitoring because.... it's a test.
@hermitxIII
2 жыл бұрын
"Browser extension can't do that". That's one of the most common vectors for malware, or at least it was. Totally disingenuous.
@sdcstats
Жыл бұрын
For anyone interested I just finished meeting with a representative from Honorlock, and I did straight up ask him whether Honorlock could do any of the things I claim can't be done. He laughed. Not only do they lack the technology to access other device beyond your computer, the routers wouldn't allow it anyway, and even some of the stuff Honorlock claims they can do they really can't. It's a browser extension that gets removed after the exam which records videos of you taking the exam. It's not anything more on the user's end.
@hermitxIII
Жыл бұрын
@@sdcstats Yeah, thank god they 'only' have access to my computer there, buddy. You know you should let your students stare at you on a screen in your own home too just so everything is fair.
@sdcstats
Жыл бұрын
@@hermitxIII Uh... you're talking to a guy that makes videos as part of his job. Like I know a lot of people (some I don't even know personally) stare at me. Some of them comment "What's wrong with that nose" and "it looks like he eats paint". Yeah, some of the videos are at home. Of course I make a point not to make a video iwhere something embarrasing could be seen, which is also instructions I tell my students. Don't take the test at home if that's an issue.
@Asukol
2 жыл бұрын
Let’s be clear, Honorlock is not a necessity. You can always modify exams to be more demonstration based, or even just have oral exams. Neither require literal spyware. Oral exams also solve that issue of knowing who is taking the test. No, Honorlock is a thing because educators like you refuse to change and adapt to the times. The onus shouldn’t be on students to surrender privacy, regardless of how insignificant you personally think the violation of privacy is. This is not in the students’ best interests, and the students are the ones paying for a service (education). The onus should be on you, the educator, to figure out how to evolve your examinations to cater to remote communication learning.
@sdcstats
2 жыл бұрын
This is a good comment - yes it's true that the ideal situation would be for the teacher to sit down with each student one on one and see whether they have learned the material. Some classes can have an essay or project that demonstrates their abilities. The reason I use Honorlock is directly tied to the fact that I've been assigned to assess the learning of hundreds of students across five classes with no TA's, graders, or proctors. I would love to see a future where the kind of money that is poured into military is poured into education, and class sizes drop to 25 and teachers get assigned to teach three classes a semester. If we assume that to keep my job I need to assess the learning of hundreds of students in the next two days I'm looking for an option that can guard against cheating while testing the material. The statement that Honorlock means we can't "adapt to the times" is hilarious. This IS adapting! Universities are moving towards "large service classes" because you have to adapt to survive in this economy. Teachers are adapting to students who have discord in their pockets and more technology to help them cheat. I'm adapting by using the newest technology to have the computer help me proctor students. This wasn't available 15 years ago, but it's possible now, and this is how we adapt to use the technology to guard the integrity of the hundreds of exams at the same time. No one is asking anyone to surrender privacy. You're welcome to not take the course. You're welcome to not go to a University. You're welcome to not come to this University where Honorlock is expected. If you make the claim "But I have to have a degree to get a job to survive in this economy".... well then "I have to use Honorlock to test hundreds of students to survive in this economy". It sounds like students need to adapt to a changing University climate where a degree means you allow the program to monitor you during the exam to guard against cheating in the large lecture lower intro service classes.
@Uncle_Sam76
Жыл бұрын
@@sdcstats So instead install our spyware
@ZeldagigafanMatthew
3 жыл бұрын
If tests are so important they require software this invasive, they are too fucking important to take over the internet. Either waive the testing requirement, or have times set where students can come in and take the test in person.
@sdcstats
3 жыл бұрын
This comment is exactly correct. If a student feels like this software is too invasive they should plan for classes where this is not an expectation. Some ways to do that include: 1) choose a major that doesn't have exams. Likely not a science related degree 2) choose classes that offer in class testing - typically smaller classes 3) choose a community college where the resources allow personalized proctoring 4) wait until after the pandemic to get a college degree when the rules are more versatile If a student has made choices that have them taking a test with an online proctoring solution and if they feel it is too invasive there's always an option to contact the teacher. I can proctor a few students personally in my office each time, but there's a limit to what I'm physically capable of.
@ODSTSpam
3 жыл бұрын
1.) choose a non science degree even if science is your thing 2.) choose a class that offers in clas- oh wait classes dont tell you how they do testing until you give them your money and you cant with draw from a class and get your money back unless you withdraw WEEK 0 or BEFORE CLASSES EVEN START (at least at my college) 3.)Community colleges have such small budgets that they RARELY cater anything to the individual. At the community colleges I have been to getting help or accommodation is like pulling teeth, and getting a sit down discussion with an actual career counselor (they will fit you into the busy schedule of 1400 other students) 4.) PUT YOUR ENTIRE CAREER ON HOLD AND MAKE CHUMP CHANGE All of these choices are absolute ass if that isn't clear. I am currently retaking chemistry course I took in highschool, online and they are 3 times harder. I understand that not every teaching style will match up with students learning styles but honorlock is a massive fuck you to people with mental health problems, poor people who live in noisy environments, and black people who get flagged significantly more than white students becasue the facial regonition software was made by white people who didnt test it on black skin. I think you are probably a great teacher and a really nice guy @ScottCrawford but I dont want to put my life on hold just because a teacher may or may not trust me. I would prefer significantly harder open note tests, and when my teacher actually spends time talking to me in person back in class, Ill actually want to spend time taking their in person tests happily.
@ambercarr341
2 жыл бұрын
if there's an ethics problem, then that in and of itself, should be a reason to no longer use it. The problem is these proctoring services flag a lot of people who aren't considered normal test takers. Someone with a mental illness, or someone with anxiety or Tourette's for example could be flagged for not taking their test "correctly" There is no alternative option for people like us. Examity didn't bother me that much, but Honorlock just has access to too much data. Imagine if they have a data breach, then how many people's information is in jeopardy? It's bad enough MacAfee flags honorlock as malware.
@sdcstats
2 жыл бұрын
I think it's a mistake to say "because there's people who are opposed on ethical grounds we shouldn't do it" is a dangerous philosophy. Many students label things as "ethically wrong" when they really aren't. For example grading, deadlines, rejecting admissions based on GPA, and requiring a student to take statistics when they are convinced they won't use it in real life. Is it ethically wrong to make sure the integrity of the exam is guarded? I would say guarding integrity is not only ethical, it's in the student's best interest. If someone has anxiety or Tourettes I would like to encourage them to see Honorlock as the ideal situation for them. You can take the exam in an environment of least distractions, they can have the comforts of home, the teacher can say whether they're allowed music or a pet (options that may not work in a classroom setting). Will Honorlock flag them? YUP - sure will, but the student will still take the exam just fine - it's the teacher who will see a red flag on the student, look and say "Oh yes, DSS informed me they have Tourettes. I'll ignore the red flag". It's much better than a classroom situation, more discreet, and less stressful than going to the disability center. Typically the teacher will just jump through the video, seeing a ten second spot here and a ten second spot there, meaning if the student feels self conscious they are less monitored than they would be in class or at the DSS center. A data breach is bad, which is why Honorlock takes their network security seriously. I've worked at many academic institutions, and I can tell you not everyone who works at a University is as careful. Why aren't people worried about their school getting hacked? But let's play the "worst-case" scenario... what have hackers got? Your name... a picture of your school ID? A video of you taking the exam? This is a much lower risk than if someone hacks my twitter account, and that isn't part of my career. Bottom line - the ethical obligation to guard the integrity of the exam combined with the comfort and ease for students with disabiltiies far outweight the risk of someone hacking your name in a list of students who took an exam. Saying McAfee labels it as malware doesn't mean what you think it does. Some people list McAfee as the malware. It does a service to the students.
@ambercarr341
2 жыл бұрын
@@sdcstats I’m simply going by what you said and the title of the video. Someone else mentioned this in another comment that said they have to show their license because they do not have school ids. The same goes for me. The last time I had to take a proctored exam, I had to show my State license. Bc I’m at a 100% remote learning school. Like another person said, how would you know that a professor isn’t watching back the video for their own satisfaction if they find a student attractive? Also, there have been proctors that text students phones during the test. What would be the purpose of taking a proctored exam to make sure you’re not looking at your phone when they are able to contact you through phone? Not to mention that there have been reports of discrimination from several students that have been locked out of their tests Bc proctoring software does not recognize students with dark skin which is why some professors refuse to use them altogether I also don’t understand the facial recognition thing.. If you have a piece of paper to write on and are looking at the paper instead of the screen, it will flag you. The better solution would be to have students schedule a zoom session at different times of the day over multiple days if needed and have the teacher watch them instead of having a video of them to watch through some database
@sdcstats
2 жыл бұрын
@@ambercarr341 I'll totally agree with the idea that it would be better to have a testing center that students go to (with several sessions they can choose from). Unfortunately my school right now doesn't have the resources to offer that. And I'm putting in about 50 hours a week and falling behind, so I can't offer several testing slots for each of my 5 classes. It's true that zoom proctoring is much easier, but it's also way less secure - I can't see what my students are doing on their computers, and I can't guard the integrity as well. If a student isn't physically near the school zoom doesn't offer enough security unless the student sets up two cameras (one on their screen, the other on them), which I don't want to require my students to buy an extra webcam. I think a state licence (or other official identification) should be allowed just as easily as a school ID. That's the point of an ID - is to be shown to verify you are who you say you are. I haven't had Honorlock contact any students by phone - that's a weird one, I'll have to ask around if anyone has exeprienced that with Honorlock. It wouldn't make sense. If a program has trouble doing facial recognition on someone with a dark skin tone then we have to accept there's limitations in the technology. I don't think it's about discrimination, or else you need to put on there people with glasses (I've had it struggle to recognize my face with glasses) or an eyepatch, or a face mask. What happens with Honorlock is it marks the incident with "face not found" and the teacher can go in and see whether it's because the student is hiding (or looking down at their paper) or whether it's the technology. I've experienced a flag "face not found" and seen students concentrating on their paper instead of looking up. It's the same as if I was watching the students during the exam in class and saw someone with their head down focused. I just move on to the next flag. Which brings us to the idea of a teacher creeping out on a student video "for their own satisfaction". That's nice polite wording - let's go with that. It's hard for me to imagine it, but just... weird-- but ok, let's imagine that's a thing. It would be the same thing if a student is taking the exam over zoom. In fact there's ways to record the zoom session without it being announced to the students. I suppose there's ways to record a student during class without them knowing. I guess a teacher could be secretly creeping out on a student while they take an exam in class. If you want to get a college degree you've got to accept that your professor is going to need to look at you while you're taking an exam. Some classes have you create a presentation or talk and upload that video - which should feel more weird and just focusing on an exam. If we don't have resources for a testing center where students come come physically, or if a student is remote (like you are) then it makes sense to have a program that can watch the student and the screen at the same time (which zoom doesn't do) and will use technology to try to monitor (so it's less creepy than having someone watch) and will let the instructor make all decisions on whether there's an issue (because they understand accommodations or needs). But if you're also interested in some behind the scenes information - there was a petition from students to ban Honorlock here at A&M (and I disagree with all of their stated reasons, but the administration decided let the students win this one) and so we lost our agreement with Honorlock. I could have chosen to make students pay for the program for each test... but I just don't like doing that. So we had an in class test, and you could zoom into class. Probably exactly what you're saying is the better idea. But I lost the ability to tell students they can have extra time, and I lost the ability to let the students pick when they wanted to take the exam, we lost a class period, and several students had problems keeping them from getting to class, including a church function for one student, so I'm holding makeup exams. It's much more stressful to the students and to me. I know one student accessed things outside the exam on her test, which is a pretty obvious problem with zoom, so I think next semester I'll have to say they can't zoom in anymore - they have to come in physically. I just can't figure out any different options.
@Abbyf
Жыл бұрын
@@sdcstats they also apparently can see anything you search or enter on the computer, or that’s the lie that they sell, so they could easily find financial info, medical info, whatever they wanted. And actually no, I have adhd and if you look off to the side or anything they make you stop the test and do a rescan, cutting into the exams time. And no professor grants cat cuddles or music.. you realize there have been studies conducted on this and it only detected one cheater out of all the people they had cheat on a honorlock exam. It deters people yes but it’s easy to cheat with it. All that means is that all the cheaters can get by easily with good grades and the people who don’t grades aren’t as good especially when it makes you so nervous because any movement or dissociation can easily make it to where they pause your exam. Even if they allow note paper, you have to “position yourself within the screen”, id like to see some professors take these exams while they’re directly looking at the camera and also using scratch paper.. let’s see what that looks like.
@Abbyf
Жыл бұрын
@@sdcstats also if you’re an online student they don’t give you school ID’s, they see your government ID, but ofc that’s something we should let anyone have access too, smh, I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t already sell the data.
@IonIsFalling7217
4 жыл бұрын
The school isn’t watching people in their own homes in an era of increasingly little privacy. You also have issues like Uber still tracking people even after the app is deleted; we can’t know Honorlock doesn’t have something similar.
@ZeldagigafanMatthew
3 жыл бұрын
Considering it likely requires admin level perms, it leaves a HELL of a lot of leftover data.
@mikemayo4812
3 жыл бұрын
My professors just has us be logged into Teams with our webcams and microphones on. They can see our face, but can't see what's on our computer screen.
@excellent9622
Жыл бұрын
Exactly lol, I would tape note cards on the screen whenever I had an exam.
@jakebryant694
3 жыл бұрын
My main problem with Honorlock is that there isn't any other test taking option. For classes that are exclusively online this semester there isn't really anything you can do except modify lesson plans. However, for classes that have an in person component, I don't understand why we don't have the option to take the test in person. Giving students the option between taking the test from home with HonorLock or taking the test in a more traditional environment would mitigate cheating while also satisfying students who are uncomfortable with the sheer amount data Honorlock collects
@jaxxy2583
3 жыл бұрын
I bet China is your favorite country!
@big662
2 жыл бұрын
This is the problem with teachers. They want to make stuff as difficult as possible. It’s not about students preparing themselves for the real world. This honorlock stuff is unnecessary stress
@sdcstats
2 жыл бұрын
I would argue Honorlock is the less difficult option. This semester I couldn't use Honorlock (the students complained, so the Unversity dropped their contract), so I could no longer tell the students they could take extra time on the exam, take the exam before or after the test day, or take the exam without me staring at them. It was for the students I advocated for Honorlock. It was ironic that the students themselves were the ones that actively attacked it... it's like veterinary medicine sometimes. As for being prepared in the real world, when you have a degree from our University there's an expectation you've learned some basic core ideas - not that your roommate learned those ideas and helped you take an exam. You're welcome to avoid exams by not going to college. Some employers are looking for college graduates because they know you have experienced difficult expectations and handled it. Even if you don't go into a career based on my class the degree opens doors because employers want to see that you can do the work instead of finding a way to cheat around the laws. Guarding the integrity with Honorlock helps the degree have value to employers in a student's future.
@JakeWolven
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, it thoroughly explains every route. I feel like the reason I'm morally okay with not being completely honest on my exams is because of my disagreement with "memorize and move on" view on teaching that there is in University. If my teacher is just going to copy and paste an exam and give it to us (the same exam that thousands of other students took across the US), then I feel no moral complication with copying and pasting answers from the students who already took it. I'll match the efforts of my teacher, which goes along the lines of if you go to a "real" university or not. The teachers decide that. We're given a one-size-fits-all test and told to memorize answers, take the test, and move on; I don't learn this way and most students don't either.
@JakeWolven
3 жыл бұрын
I'm referring to my World History class which requires HonorLock.
@sdcstats
3 жыл бұрын
This is the same logic that leads people to say "It's ok to shoplift from that store because the owner steals wages from his employees." If you want to justify something you'll always find a reason. Yours is a mixture of "I'm not as bad as other people" and "something bad happened to me so it's ok to do bad things back." This is the same logic that has fuels any justification. Heck, the Nazi's used this to say "But the Jews did this" and "We're only taking back what's ours". Maybe it should be less about what others have done and more about who you are. Are you the type of person that keeps your word? Are you the type that puts in more work when you need to? It may not change your teacher, but it can affect who you become. Don't be the type of person that lies when you say you did something.
@you_just
Жыл бұрын
problem with this thinking is that it’s not the instructor’s responsibility to “put in effort” to teach you the class. quite frankly, the stuff you learn in undergraduate classes is so far below the understanding of most of your professors that it’s not even worth their time to write a unique exam each time. maybe intro to world history is a difficult subject for you, but to your professor, it’s just another year of teaching the same 30,000 ft view of a topic and requiring only the most basic of analysis from the students. if they’re teaching effectively (i.e., the material is getting covered and the gpa distributions are reasonable), it’s not their fault if you’re on the low end of the bell curve (likely because you have a history of cheating).
@yungspaghetti
Жыл бұрын
what’s your favorite flavor of boot? I personally enjoy crispness of timberlands
@TiffanyWestNyc
3 жыл бұрын
Okay boomer the world is so honest today 😂😂😩😩😩
@matt1267
3 жыл бұрын
hey bro can you send me your laptop?
@IonIsFalling7217
4 жыл бұрын
I do have to say regardless of how I feel about it, I have so much respect for you for talking about things like this. Thank you for taking the time to explain.
@minahernandez7371
3 жыл бұрын
One thing I do not about honorlock is you have to pay before you take the exam and it is not fair to the people who may not be able to pay for that
@sdcstats
3 жыл бұрын
Good point. At A&M the cost is picked up by the University, so students don't feel it. I think what we're seeing is a shift in cost expectations for students. Many places (like here) are going away from expensive textbooks, but there is going to be a cost to have the exams taken at home. Parking passes tend to cost more, while class notes are often distributed online for free. I think Honorlock costs are going to be part of the cost for higher education.
@minahernandez7371
3 жыл бұрын
Scott Crawford yeah I am taking online classes right and that is the only issue I have with honorlock but other than that I like the system
@j4rvisinr3verse42
3 жыл бұрын
Just add it as an extension
@DBDUndisputed
3 жыл бұрын
Honorlock charges you?!?!?!?!
@minahernandez7371
3 жыл бұрын
@@DBDUndisputed yes but I believe the school has access codes and to me that is cheap than paying 9.00$ each time as to $18.40 which give you up to about five access codes for 5 exams.
@desbyu535
3 жыл бұрын
shutup squidward
@j4rvisinr3verse42
3 жыл бұрын
Look at yourself in the mirror
@joeyaustin2292
2 жыл бұрын
💀
@wesanatorf465
2 жыл бұрын
honestly id be more comfortable if i could just record ny hands because im pretty sure honor lock would be way more useful if its used on the bits that you actually use to cheat
@jaden2758
3 жыл бұрын
ima be honest this was a good video but atleast in smaller classes with 30 to 40 people i think the zoom is a better option, honorlock is very easy to get around with a phone anyway and zoom would provide the same protections plus more because you could make kids show their desk as different intervals. for larger classes i do agree we dont really have a good option and certain subjects are prone to being able to look up answers quite easily so honorlock must be done. personally just wish there was more communication before we started taking classes i dont know about texas but where i go we had no idea there were proctoring services forced on us i personally thought i would be the same as the last semester where we zoomed during the test
@sdcstats
3 жыл бұрын
The unmet expectations is the real tricky issue. When you say "make kids show their desk at different intervals" do you mean tell students randomly throughout the exam to switch from camera mode to screen share? I think that would be distracting to a student who is taking an exam, and it wouldn't be hard for a student to exit the chat screen with their friend before turning on screen share. I think I'll put in my syllabus next semester that zoom isn't an option - it doesn't really guard the integrity well enough.
@jaden2758
3 жыл бұрын
@@sdcstats oh i was more saying a lock down browser and zoom showing your hands and keyboard/notes/scratch paper it had worked pretty well for a small class of 35 but i dont know how big others classes are and if you get up there in number i see how it could be hard to impossible
@klondik697
Жыл бұрын
Why don’t professors just make open book exams. It’s 2023 and some of these classes we don’t even need for our career choice.
@basedchad534
6 ай бұрын
Someone needs to file a lawsuit
@DaCooGa
2 жыл бұрын
I already wrote my opinion in another comment, but on another note that I wanted to add: I agree with you presuming the class is online. However, if the class is IN PERSON, I don't think it's reasonable to require Honorlock. The one class I take that requires Honorlock for tests literally meets in person twice a week. Everybody wears masks and people are crammed in pretty tightly. So the professor/school is clearly fine with in person learning, so why can't the tests for that class be in person as well? I'm just trying to say that for a pure online only class, Honorlock seems reasonable. But to require it for a class already in person? That's kind of a low blow. Like there is literally a way more convenient and better option for taking a test through Honorlock: in person.
@sdcstats
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, you had a nice comment? I get hate from this video about every other week. Interestingly about half of the comments are deleted by the poster right after, I can't figure out why - like they just needed to vent? The reasons for hating Honorlock don't really hold up when you ask "Ok - what's a better option that still guards the integrity?" and the answer is "I dunno - I just don't like Honorlock" I'll add in some thoughts on using Honorlock even when the class is "in-person". Let's ignore the fact that it frees up a class for teaching instead of a test (since I assume that's something teachers like but students don't). Taking a test is much more intense than listening to a lecture. That kid that keeps clicking his pen might not bother you during class, but during a test it's going to drive you mad. And if a student sneezes right behind you in class you're annoyed, but... you know.. it happens. If they sneeze right behind you during the exam they can derail your focus for a good ten minutes, which makes you do worse on the exam, which is going to affect your ability to get that scholarship... which just makes it harder to focus again. It's nice to be able to say "Hey, go take this exam in your pajamas on your couch, and no one will bug you, and if you want take extra time because Honorlock is proctoring and they don't care if you take 2 hours instead of 10 minutes." Some people are morning people, some are night people, and you can take the exam whenever it is your brain is working well. And students with disabilities (anxiety, social disorders) - great... go take the exam in a quiet room with no one else there.
@DaCooGa
2 жыл бұрын
@@sdcstats The point you bring about in person testing is fair, though I still hold to my point that I dont think its reasonable to FORCE/REQUIRE students to take tests with honorlock when in person testing is obviously something that could be done as well (literally my other three classes at the same school all do in person tests, but not this one). Sure, maybe honorlock is preferable to some students who dont like the anxiety or in person distractions. However, for someone like me who does better on in person tests and would rather have a more “intense” test, I feel that in person testing really isnt too much to ask for when COVID is clearly not a concern to either the school or the student. Also, about what you said with comments getting deleted. Are you sure its not like a bug on youtube or something? Because I posted another longer comment detailing all the things that I liked about what you said as well as some things that I felt you did not address that would have been nice to hear as well. However, I no longer see the comment (and im 100% sure i didnt delete it). Not sure if you were able to see it or not?
@sdcstats
2 жыл бұрын
@@DaCooGa I saw it, and I appreciated the support. I assumed you had deleted it. Considering this video is NOT a popular opinion I wouldn't be suprised, this one dinky video for my students has become a magnet for people who hate Honorlock.
@DaCooGa
2 жыл бұрын
@@sdcstats Sweet, glad you saw it. Pretty sure these comments aren't getting deleted by their posters though. My guess is that there is something going on with KZitem where it does strange things with videos with disproportionate amount of likes to dislikes. I've never seen this happen with other videos, but I also never see videos with a higher rate of dislikes than likes, so it would kinda make sense for the two to be correlated. Haha, totally get how this video could be a magnet. I just took my first HonorLock exam and it really wasn't that bad. The environment I took the test in was very quiet and so as long as the student(s) can find a good spot to take their honorlock test, it seems pretty darn good!
@kaliannmclendon6945
3 жыл бұрын
So I have to clean my room to take an exam now :(
@sdcstats
3 жыл бұрын
Technically only if you care about what some proctor sees. I think you'd be sad to realize how little they typically care.
@Uncle_Sam76
Жыл бұрын
@@sdcstats Room scans are unconstitutional. They violate the fourth amendment.
@MayaKoch
4 жыл бұрын
This video hits all the marks of a good KZitem video. Engaging, fast paced, good title, not too long, visual aids... good job Prof!
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