This kind of Robin Guthrie/Cocteau Twins feel in the music in the background adds so much depth to this wonderful analogy of DBH's overall delivery. I'm so lacking in understanding everything David says, but I can't get away with not understanding his simple, yet profound knowledge on most things philosophical and spiritual.
@dylan3456
2 жыл бұрын
Whenever I hear a take-down like this of a figure who is admittedly "the most brilliant" mind of a given era, I wonder what that person would say in his defense. Surely it wouldn't be so obvious that DBH is right if we were to be an audience of such a meeting.
@anthonymccarthy4164
Жыл бұрын
Hart certainly has a deeper and more accurate knowledge of the original texts than Edwards could have had in his time.
@TheHumbuckerboy
2 жыл бұрын
'Sinners in the Hands of a Loving God' by Brian Zahnd is a book worth reading IMO
@jasonegeland1446
2 жыл бұрын
I saw it. Want to read it.
@TheHumbuckerboy
2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonegeland1446 It lifted my spirits even though I'm not sure if I would totally agree with everything that the author says. But overall I definitely like the book a lot and I have no hesitation in recommending it .
@jasonegeland1446
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHumbuckerboy Just out of curiosity, what in particular about the book made you disagree? Which parts did you agree with?
@TheHumbuckerboy
2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonegeland1446 I have actually just embarked on re-reading the book a couple of days ago .Overall I did love the message that "Jesus is what God has to say" whereas some theologians over the years have sought to portray God as being less than loving and merciful by selectively using passages literally from the OT. The message in the book that God is like Jesus and that God is our Heavenly Father who loves us is the main important thing that I appreciated concerning the book. From memory the author makes a point that when he personally helps someone then he is doing it for his own good also and this struck me as being a slightly questionable motive; so I wasn't sure about that particular statement .Also there may have been a hint at the author's personal politics and I wasn't interested in that area. I still find the book to be a blessing and I recommend it heartily !
@jasonegeland1446
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHumbuckerboy Thanks for the kind reply. I will definitely check it out! Best
@user-cz8gi2om3n
6 ай бұрын
I actually feel this way about Hart in some ways. His metaphysics and philosophy of mind are brilliant, but his politics are at best extremely naïve and often as resentful as he accuses his opponents to be.
@polemeros
5 ай бұрын
He's turned out to be just another ecumenical socialist liberal. His Eastern Orthodoxy seems to have left the building.
@GreenWeasel11
20 күн бұрын
Yes, I have noticed that he seems to imagine Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos etc. as something like human versions of Scrooge McDuck who swim in literal bins of money that could instead be used to feed the poor and such.
@user-cz8gi2om3n
20 күн бұрын
@@GreenWeasel11 Exactly. He tends to fall into the extremely anti-christian trope that feeding the poor isn't a work of philanthropy or charity, but "justice". Dostoyevsky I think better than anyone else showed the disaster that line of reasoning leads to.
@GreenWeasel11
19 күн бұрын
@@user-cz8gi2om3n related to the "positive rights"/"negative rights" debate? Like, it's from a certain perspective just as immoral and ultimately unproductive to force someone to act generously (with no corresponding change of heart) as to fail to be generous? (My exposure to Dostoevsky is sadly limited so I want to make sure I'm tracking your thoughts precisely.)
@michaelcanterbury7400
2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see whole interview DBH is the best.Love Keith Ward also interview Keith would be great!
@Mrm1985100
2 жыл бұрын
The Calvinists have left the chat....
@gfujigo
2 жыл бұрын
😂😂🤣😂 Good one.
@vince.sarigumba
Жыл бұрын
the problem of many is that they believe in revelation 20:10, revelation 20:14 that its literal and have a problem of this verse that is why they believe in eternal torment hell fire and thats many believe that endless torment. I think this verse dont know because in revelation 20:10 and revelation 14:9-11 seems to talk endless torment in hell fire or eternal punishment
@albertkirtlandjr6735
7 ай бұрын
😂
@Mrm1985100
2 жыл бұрын
"Nevertheless, to me the God of Calvinism at its worst (as in those notorious lines in Book III of the Institutes) is simply Domitian made omnipotent. If that were Christianity, it would be too psychologically diseased a creed to take seriously at all, and its adherents would deserve only a somewhat acerbic pity, not respect. If this is one’s religion, then one is simply a diabolist who has gotten the names in the story confused. It is a vision of the faith whose scriptural and philosophical flaws are numerous and crucial, undoubtedly; but those pale in comparison to its far more disturbing moral hideousness. This aspect of orthodox Calvinism is for me unsurpassable evidence for my earlier claim that a mind conditioned to believe that it must believe something incredible is capable of convincing itself to accept just about anything, no matter how repellant to reason (or even good taste). And yet I still insist that, judging from the way Christians actually behave, no one with the exception of a few religious sociopaths really believes any of it as deeply as he or she imagines.” ― David Bentley Hart, That All Shall Be Saved: Heaven, Hell, and Universal Salvation
@masonbradford7026
2 жыл бұрын
Which video is this from?
@LoveUnrelenting
2 жыл бұрын
I interviewed DBH for about an hour and a half. Parts of the interview will be used in a feature length documentary that I hope to release next year. Many of the parts that I don't plan to use in that documentary will be released in short videos like this one.
@masonbradford7026
2 жыл бұрын
@@LoveUnrelenting very cool thanks for the response
@LoveUnrelenting
2 жыл бұрын
@@carsonwall2400 the interview wasn't done in a way that was meant to be posted in full. There were lots of pauses, going off topic about things, etc. If people do still want the full interview after I have finished editing it in all the ways I plan to (which will make for more interesting videos), I may ask DBH if he's alright with me posting it
@aggabus
Жыл бұрын
1:06 ians end
@paulpaulsen7245
2 жыл бұрын
God appears indeed as MONSTER - a monster of crazy love as described in the famous love chapter 1 Cor 13! Is it not MONSTROUS transmuting SIN & EVIL into good, as Rom 8:28 literally tells - οἴδαμεν δὲ ὅτι τοῖς ἀγαπῶσιν τὸν θεὸν πάντα συνεργεῖ εἰς ἀγαθόν? Jonathan Edwards was a brilliant man, but unable to see the whole truth. Thus he was fulfilling the word of Jesus himself telling on the impossibility of coming to God by free will, John 6:44 - οὐδεὶς δύναται ἐλθεῖν πρός με, ἐὰν μὴ ὁ πατὴρ ὁ πέμψας με ἑλκύσῃ αὐτόν. PS: Fortunately, the rules of salvation run by God alone, totally independent from humans! And it appears monstrous indeed to be in the hands of a LOVE MONSTER telling you, that he loves you simply FOR THE REASON HE CREATED YOU & SET A DEPUTY FOR YOU NAMED CHRIST JESUS! Greetings & love from Germany!
@davidlyons6235
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, how are you doing? What do you think of Hartley's translation of the new testament?
@paulpaulsen7245
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidlyons6235, there is no translation of NT by HARTLEY, but by a certain DAVID BENTLEY HART - search it for yourself, dear David! What I think? I find each & every translation having a certain value! When you intimately know Christ, you know quasi "automatically" what to do & whether a translation is "right & thus fitting" to you! Since "truth" is not a LIFELESS THING OR HAPPENING, but a LIVING ENTITY (= Christ Jesus), you immediately feel the LIFE in a claim anybody makes: YOU EITHER FEEL IT OR NOT! Do you know from what I´m talking about, David Lyons? If not - then do not worry, for scriptural truth has ALWAYS TO DO WITH THE LIVING CHRIST! And CHRIST SAVES rather than simply a rule or new thinking or a special philosophy! CHRIST IS A LIVING EVENT YOU IMMEDIATELY PERCEIVE AS "GOD`S REAL DEAL"! Kind greetings from Germany!
@davidlyons6235
2 жыл бұрын
@@paulpaulsen7245 lol, oops I spelled his name wrong. Was just barely awake when I asked that question. Thank you by the way. Hilarious. Hahaha
@paulpaulsen7245
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidlyons6235, :-)))
@davidlyons6235
2 жыл бұрын
@@paulpaulsen7245 yes the biggest dilemma or at least one of the biggest dilemmas with universal salvation via human free will is that it's obviously impossible for God to be an equal opportunity Savior when there are untold billions from Adam till the present who have never had the opportunity to accept the evangel message. Jesus Christ being the necessary Mediator between man God, there are no other provisions left to the orthodox christian to explain how everyone gets a fair chance at salvation. So far this point stops OCs in their tracks. I had a friend who attempted to explain how, but he only went as far as appealing to God's grace being efficient, oddly enough, to sort out all matters.
@aggabus
Жыл бұрын
The m word in 42 sec What 5 or six time
@lanelester
2 жыл бұрын
Too brief!
@harpsichordkid
2 жыл бұрын
I’d rather be taught a hard truth than a gentle lie. Everyone tells me I’d like DBH, but the more I hear it just sounds like someone who demeans Christian traditions besides his own, and does not honestly grapple with the historical doctrines of his own tradition.
@michaelleppan9960
2 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I think he gives certain traditions a lot more respect than they deserve, and often complements the intellectual prowess of Calvin and Augustine despite hating their theology. I'd say Hart does grapple with them, you just don't get it in these short youtube scenes.
@waylonwraith5266
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelleppan9960 I agree. The “problem” with Hart is that he’s a philosopher … and there are certain “Christian traditions”, like an all-knowing AND all-loving AND all-powerful God creating creatures He is well aware He’ll be sending into Eternal Conscious Torment that are logically as well as morally incoherent, no matter how one might tie oneself into apologetic knots in order not to have to deal with their self-evident absurdity; and some people are always going to be committed to these sadistic and self-evidently man-made elements of the religion rather than embodying the Light and Love of Christ
@michaelleppan9960
2 жыл бұрын
@@waylonwraith5266 It's so sad.
@harpsichordkid
2 жыл бұрын
@@waylonwraith5266 How do you bring something out of nothing?
@harpsichordkid
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelleppan9960 I’ve had plenty of Hart from a seminary culture very keen on him.
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