A reminder that Kakuzu still beats Pain because of raw durability
@TakotsuboTime
3 күн бұрын
Bro he 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘷𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘥 an 𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘳 with 𝘏𝘢𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘳𝘢𝘮𝘢. Not even Madara Uchiha's last second clone could do that.
@the_superior_nerd2439
3 күн бұрын
@@buddylee5712 pain will clap everyone
@Deity_devil
3 күн бұрын
Lmao
@JonTheMaven
3 күн бұрын
Not to be that guy, but the Raw Durability thing was in reference to the third Raikage, wasn't it?
@kodoqbesar4301
3 күн бұрын
Rasen Shuriken ignores raw durability but Kakuzu tanked it once. That means Kakuzu's raw durability is stronger than conventional raw durability, whatever that means
@dzigayu4944
3 күн бұрын
Sometimes it's hard to distinguish what's a factual statement and just flowery language to hype up something.
@nfrance999
3 күн бұрын
Agreed. People already struggle with that when it’s purely in their native language, add on that these are translations and it’s not a surprise when people think hyperbole or such as direct statement of fact.
@crypussy
3 күн бұрын
Eh, I feel like most of the time you can just figure it out through common sense.
@gameuniverse5973
3 күн бұрын
@@nfrance999I have problems with the statements that people try to use to downplay or say this char is weaker Obito gets hit by a lot of these even tho he easily the strongest alive for like 20 years after Minato died the only ones being able to match him at best would be pain,Itachi,bee,the Kages,and half Kurama Not counting otsus of course
@MasterCast001
2 күн бұрын
@@dzigayu4944 no its not bro
@CyrusIsnt
Күн бұрын
Its fiction 😂
@alexdeghost2729
3 күн бұрын
The part Viz doesn’t want you to hear is them confirming Jiraiya is smarter than Sasuke.
@amogus1415
3 күн бұрын
Jiraiya is just the goat🥱🥱
@offshorecomedy
3 күн бұрын
Really?
@LokiTheClever
3 күн бұрын
@@offshorecomedy In terms of raw EXP intell yes, in terms of raw brain power hell no. Jiraiya is like Toad Batman (Kashin Koji is taking to another level)
@jiero3253
2 күн бұрын
Intel wise ye? But Sasuke outright shows better IQ feats
@christianworcester6851
2 күн бұрын
Thats cap, Sasuke mentally farms jiraiya lol.
@Hip-Gnosis1134
3 күн бұрын
The problem is no one has done a full in depth video on them
@sixfromtokyo
3 күн бұрын
First comment
@Hip-Gnosis1134
3 күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyo 😎
@devilgod4552
3 күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyoMinato had put a seal on Obito to suppress his control on kurama, however Nice video though
@blizyon30fps86
2 күн бұрын
Because viz takes them down
@TurrettiniPizza
2 күн бұрын
So basically the real issue is power scalers have poor reading comprehension.
@grillmaster95
2 күн бұрын
Common issue
@Archer170
Күн бұрын
That and sometimes the data book statments are ass
@prometheusmodelow8322
Күн бұрын
Always has been
@MiraS24
3 күн бұрын
Viz really out here muting sections of videos🙄
@mr.zendar885
3 күн бұрын
If you read it at .25 speed n pause often you can get it.
@5acred7
3 күн бұрын
Six needs to reupload it with his pfp and jus the words, not the actual scan there. How can they mute that?
@zonnodon163
3 күн бұрын
It's kayfabe
@thesoupman8775
3 күн бұрын
I think the attitude we should have towards databook statements is that we accept them to be true unless the manga shows them to be otherwise. This seems like the most consistent way to look at it because the manga is seen as the primary canon and the databooks are a secondary canon.
@theblaze2294
3 күн бұрын
Like the video stated, context and interpretation is the most important, canon and data book contradict each other, its just people take a bunch of hyperbole too literally.
@oliveragag8576
3 күн бұрын
I don't know about you guys, but Temari being able to blow away the universe sounds completely within her capabilities if you ask me.
@Kidkinsey
3 күн бұрын
I hate when people act like since kishimoto did write EVERY entry of the databook it's somehow invalid 😭
@DarkEclipse23
3 күн бұрын
Except when you write or tell someone “[x] can run like the wind” it can’t be taken seriously 👀 if everything is light speed then no one is lightspeed. It’s just saying Madara’s light fang was just as fast as Haku’s ice mirrors meaning 0 tailed naruto and genin sasuke should be able to fodder Madara logically.
@eddielopez6731
3 күн бұрын
All I want to say is that Haku is the best written female character, and it’s because he’s a guy.
@spit-fire
3 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@immortalpickle3104
3 күн бұрын
It’s been a minute since I’ve revisited Land of Waves but whenever I think of Haku I legit think of him as a girl
@An_Inconvenience
2 күн бұрын
IMO the issue with both the data books and the Light Novels is twofold. 1) Fans take what are hyperbole statements at face value like how "Kurama could reduce the entire world to Ash" 2) They contradict their own logic and that of the source material. Recently one came out to do with the nature of Bijuu Reincarnation and how 'it usually takes several thousand years.' That is doubly stupid as not only have both instances we have seen in the series took 2/3 years, but the Bijuu are less than 1000 years old. Secondly, how on the one hand they will say "Naruto is stronger than Kaguya" and then two pages later go "at max power Naruto could only destroy a continent."
@the_superior_nerd2439
3 күн бұрын
Six keep up the awesome content like always 👏
@sixfromtokyo
3 күн бұрын
@@the_superior_nerd2439 nah... finna start droppin straight ASS next video is why Kid Sakura vs EMS Madara is not close & I'm taking Sakura.
@the_superior_nerd2439
3 күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyo 😆 🤣 😂 😹
@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2
3 күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyo sounds like peak fiction to me
@orpheemulemo8053
2 күн бұрын
@@sixfromtokyoThe problem I have with haku is haku states he could not imagine of beating barely one tailed cloak naruto Meaning even the hypothetical light speed haku is losing to that Chakra amp naruto Not only that Kakashi and Zabuza are shitting their pants on that version of naruto You also have the fact when haku used his mirrors to shield Zabuza Kakashi did actually move meaning haku didn't blitz in front of him completely Kakashi was able to move at the exact same time while using chidori It also doesn't make sense as itachis water bullets are stated to move at light speed and Kakashi could counter it Haku is shown being in the mirrors simultaneously and if haku becomes a reflection how is it possible for him to move at less Not only that you have people like the raikage remember the lariot is the raikage and bee holding back to create a simulatanios move on a weakened kisame who could still react to them and things like samurai who have light speed sword Chakra swings which Sasuke in the kage summit could easily block even mifune and characters like temaris wind Gaaras sand and kankuros puppets were shown to move at light speed when and Sasuke could create a Tsusano before it even landed So it seems by shippuden light attacks are the bare minimum and that's why I'm sure early part one characters were that fast expecialy Hiruzen and Orochimaru who could keep up with top tiers in the war
@sixfromtokyo
2 күн бұрын
@@orpheemulemo8053 Haku is tired by time Naruto uses kyuubi cloak & most the other things you mentioned just have alternate interpretations like Itachi's jutsu might be light speed but have a long start up time so Kakashi could block it. Regardless it's irrefutable that Sasuke thinks lightspeed or slower Kirin is too much for Itachi to evade or block. Zetsu says something similar.
@Imsmellincap
3 күн бұрын
Six didn’t cover the fine print in the 3rd data book but essentially it states “Six the youtuber above all”
@chefkefatien7049
3 күн бұрын
L glaze
@michaelcaboose8685
3 күн бұрын
Pokemon fan here! Our in game, completely canon databook: the pokedex, is filled with the most ridiculous. If a claim contradicts, or is consistently disproven by the narrative; include it I guess, but site your source as shaky
@DarkEclipse23
3 күн бұрын
😂 and the databooks claimimg Ralts only has 1 evolution stage or pokemon with absolutely wrong moves. Oh pkmn databooks you are funny as heck lol
@Drip_Wooper
14 сағат бұрын
"The databooks are just Naruto's Pokedex" is not a statement I expected to hear but makes more sense than I wish it did. "This pokemon is hotter than ten thousand suns and whenever he blinks a billion die" - And the earth is completely fine. Has the same energy as "The most basic of Naruto Fodder can move at Light Speed +". And mfs will absolutely take it a face value instead of stopping and pondering, 'maybe they're trying to hype this important character up? Does what it says here is accurate to any shown capability?'
@HaiderRaps
3 күн бұрын
“Haku is light speed” I swear i lost my braincells when i saw how much they were glazing that nostalgic weak ahh fodder above My hero academia
@DarkEclipse23
3 күн бұрын
Madara’s attack is light speed meaning by the book’s logic kid sasuke and Naruto should have easily fodderized that attack no problem 😂
@Jakdisi1
2 күн бұрын
@@DarkEclipse23only upscales the attack and madara 😭🙏
@swagssj3
2 күн бұрын
Im pretty sure he does move at light speed, but only when he sees his own reflection bc I'm pretty sure a reflection is just light traveling or some shyt like that i don't really rmr. But I think in chapter 26 of the naruto manga which is unironcally called speed sasuke and haku base to base are relative to each other in speed but when haku uses ice mirrors sasuke just couldn't keep up same with naruto. The only time they ever actually reacted was when he wasn't traveling through mirrors you can check it out yourself pretty sure it's chapter 26 "speed"
@lightyoshiman
2 күн бұрын
Only when he's in the mirrors and it's worth noting he can't maintain that level of speed for long by the time naruto and Sasuke got their power ups Haku was already tired out and even then naruto still had trouble keeping up
@DarkEclipse23
2 күн бұрын
@@swagssj3not really. Sasuke was slowly being able to track him but wound up ko’d by taking a hit for Naruto, and 0 tailed Naruto did even better.
@Windchimer94
3 күн бұрын
The cartoon vfx caught me all the way off guard LOLOL
@FreeJalen
3 күн бұрын
The double paragraph pain section caught me so off guard when I was reading it lol
@TeamPerfectNaruto
3 күн бұрын
Sounds to me we need a Naruto Lore accurate fan book, like based on canon we know Kishimoto intended. Maybe call it "Naruto Kai Databook 1" the first one
@sixfromtokyo
3 күн бұрын
We just need Kishimoto to do a databook again a big one on the entire series
@Irokoro.
3 күн бұрын
7:32-7:55 LMAO did not expect the looney toons ass sound effects
@lighter7065
3 күн бұрын
Rs
@naxmaxJK
3 күн бұрын
Favorite part of the vid lowkey just cause it was so out of the blue😂
@johnmendez9525
3 күн бұрын
Unironically I want to know what he said
@naxmaxJK
3 күн бұрын
@@johnmendez9525 true cause what could he have possibly said that would warrant a muting. There's no way they wouldn't know it'd just make people more curious to find out.
@Normal_guy9
3 күн бұрын
@@naxmaxJKHere's what it says "He manipulates "forbidden weapons" using "tailed beasts" and freely starts wars. The one that oversees the ninja business and has its sights set on the future is a huge war contracting organization. Conquest of the world by equalizing the power balance of each country. Is Pain's vision the type of peace he desires?"
@XilPrivChannel
3 күн бұрын
I think when theres such a large amount of mistranalations, bad stats, and hyperbole, we should just not use databooks. Like I'm sorry, i know your point is there's good info in the databooks, but this video just kinda showcases how unreliable these are in vs debates.
@DarkEclipse23
3 күн бұрын
I personally dont. Much like when I, for fun, compare shounen series. I take the biggest thing they’ve done and go from there. The issue is that dragon ball and Naruto don’t have the exact same power systems. In dragon ball its simple. Bigger BP = bigger ki = stronger. Naruto is. A bit more complex. Not only are there type advantages to consider but also the fact that more chakra doesn’t equal physical stats. Mainly because well. Chakra isn’t just there. It’s moulded. It needs to be created before it can be used. Not only that but it’s how chakra is used. Sakura has the smallest amount of chakra in all of Team 7 but her control is excellent. She can hit things EXTREMELY hard but does that mean she can consistently life that same weight? Because of that all. I just don’t bother scaling anymore. People get moody and get upset and it’s not worth it. It reminds me of Dc vs Marvel. Yes they’re on a similar planet called Earth but there’s been bits where dc’s earth is bigger than marvel’s earth. I doubt its canon enough but it’s my point. One manga series’ earth just may not be the same size as another’s earths.
@XilPrivChannel
2 күн бұрын
@DarkEclipse23 100% agree! When discussing these hypotheticals, stuff like "speed blitz" or "building level fodder" gets thrown around allot to shut down any arguement, completely ignoring power systems and abilities and how they would interact. Stats are important, but if the character can regenerate extremely quickly to absurd levels for example, well ap only goes so far to where you are doing more damage to the environment than the person. People lack critical thinking in general when it comes to this stuff, planet size is important especially when talking about planetary fighters. Blowing up Japan is not the same country lv feat as blowing up Russia. Striking strength is not lifting strength, reaction speed is not travel speed. Idk it's definitely off topic from databooks just being unreliable but I wanted to wholeheartedly tell you I agree.
@Fins-Up-74
2 күн бұрын
The way I look at it, statements only work if supported by feats, feats come first, statements only give context.
@Normal_guy9
3 күн бұрын
10:54 The statement "However, right now, there is no one who can control its chakra," is contextually tied to the specific time period when the events depicted in chapter 309: A Conversation with Nine Tails!! occurred. The databook refers to a point in time when Naruto and Sasuke were interacting with the Nine Tails, and Tobi's connection to controlling the Nine Tails wasn't public knowledge yet. When the events of Tobi's manipulation of the Nine Tails are revealed later, this statement becomes outdated.
@sSthesquadSs
3 күн бұрын
It sounds like the real issue is reading comprehension, since people take simple literary devices such as hyperboles and similes to literally, essentially ignoring what was actually shown in the manga/ anime
@DarkEclipse23
3 күн бұрын
Well how else can they over hype a character to universal levels 👀
@jackielee401
3 күн бұрын
seeing consecutive advertisements while being muted by viz is insane
@leaffinite2001
3 күн бұрын
I think no one should use anything outside of the actual manga, straight up. Thats the only primary source. You can bring up stuff like the itachi novels that suck him off constantly or the clearly just thrown together for a quick buck databooks, but they are only given legitimacy by being "official", which is also true of the naruto anime figurine on my desk but i wouldnt use it as a primary source on naruto. Even being written by kishimoto is, in my opinion, not enough to be anything but a secondary source. And boruto is even worse, because no way kishimoto cares at all about being consistent with naruto, if he even remembers half of it at this point, yet people act like everything in boruto should be treated as fact when discussing naruto chapters written decades (plural!) before the boruto chapter they are citing. And all the translation issues we have when dealing with a series not originally in english are made even worse when looking at these secondary sources that are as you point out often not even officially translated. And the worst thing is that regardless of all that, people still mostly fuck up by citing flowery bullshit language clearly just used to randomly hype up a character. All these far more real issues with citing these books or other secondary sources dont even matter half the time cuz ppl see "temari is as mighty as a storm" or something and start trying to figure out how powerful a whole storm would be compacted into a human woman, like fucking idiots
@ant_to_the_next_level9716
3 күн бұрын
My interpretation (though I could be wrong) was that Minato's seal prevented Obito from controlling the Nine-Tails thanks to the contract seal, so even if Obito had the power he was unable to.
@gameuniverse5973
3 күн бұрын
No it the same reason why Obito dint just steal his other eye or go to the village himself after Itachi died Even when Itachi was alive also because there be no story
@m.c4847
3 күн бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973yeah if obito took his eye from kakashi he wouldn’t need the akatsuki and would finish his goal in a week at the most
@Necromancer4267
3 күн бұрын
I've had someone SERIOUSLY try to tell me that the Temari entry meant "blow away" as in impress or leave dumbfounded. He seriously tried to tell me that the Universe was in awe of Temari's attack. Like it's a living person watching Temari. How stupid can people get?
@erosSZN
3 күн бұрын
That’s not that crazy to assume
@Necromancer4267
3 күн бұрын
@@erosSZN That the universe has a physical eyeball watching one Ninja and being dumbfounded? That's a normal thing to you?
@sapphirefractal4506
3 күн бұрын
@Necromancer4267 What IS normal, especially in showbiz, is for people to make those kind of statements and refer to everybody in that location.
@prophetofwatersheep8100
3 күн бұрын
Have you never heard of statements like "shocked the world"
@Necromancer4267
3 күн бұрын
@@prophetofwatersheep8100 You mean other statements of ridiculous hyperbole? Statements with context of the implication of the "people" of the world? Something this person did not quantify, as he literally said THE UNIVERSE AS A BEING? Sit down, bud.
@tobi2960
2 күн бұрын
Some people will read "Sasuke is so cool" and say "no, Sasuke doesn't have Ice release"
@secretly_ur_dad8702
2 күн бұрын
The worst word in Naruto theory/explanation videos : “speed blitz” a term that has been used to power scale characters when it’s just manga panels. “This character speed blitzed that character, clearly he’s 5x the speed of light”
@JonTheMaven
Күн бұрын
There are instances in which a character attacks and damages another before they can respond or perceive it. For example, the first few times Haku tags Sasuke/Naruto in the ice mirrors. It's just a way of indicating that a character is in a different league, speed-wise, than their opponent. But yeah, it gets used to mean so many different things it's kind of lost its meaning in some cases
@secretly_ur_dad8702
Күн бұрын
@@JonTheMaven yeah, not to spoil jjk, but it would be like “Yuji speed blitzed Sukuna, so clearly he’s x2 speed of light” when what actually happened is that he caught him off guard for example. Same thing with Kaguya and Sakura, and other instances where it’s more strategy than necessarily that.
@mewtube8020
3 күн бұрын
Questions about speed. I heard what you said about kirin and how black zetsu has never seen kirin before so he doesn’t know it’s light speed, but black zetsu does say that lighting is “too fast to dodge” not; too fast for a crippled itachi to dodge, he’s stating it as an objective fact, so wouldn’t this still put pretty much every character up to this point sub lighting speed. Also since the manga comes out before the data books, wouldn’t this be kishimotos thoughts and exposition to the audience as well. Plus we’ve never seen the feat of kakashi cutting lighting and kakashi would still scale below itachi. Second speed question. In the anime/manga the raikages assistant has a jutsu that transports things at the speed of light, but when she uses it on the Kage she says that a human body can’t travel at that speed or they would be torn apart, the only people who can survive are people like the raikage with the lighting cloak durability or Tsunade to heal all the damage. Wouldn’t this also mean that anyone without a lighting cloak or 100 healings couldn’t move at light speed, or they would die?
@Necromancer4267
3 күн бұрын
Good point about the teleportation Jutsu. Naruto characters being that fast has always been fan-interpretation or shoddy hype from the manga, not a legitimate speed level.
@corruptangel6793
2 күн бұрын
The fact that Zetsu even gives a speed measurement when saying lightning is too fast to dodge just further reinforces that it's objective fact. Sasuke: "this just brings down thunder from the heavens. I merely direct its power towards you...the name of this jutsu is kirin!" "Just as I thought... which is why it cannot be evaded..." "Why not?!" "The speed of lightning is 1/1,000 of a second... it's faster than sound!" His words gain ever more weight when it's revealed that he's been manipulating everyone for centuries, meaning he's seen the strongest shinobi throughout history, including the likes of living Madara and Hashirama.
@Necromancer4267
2 күн бұрын
@@corruptangel6793 Correct. You also have to take into account that Shinra Tensei's cooldown is 5 seconds, so if characters in the Chuunin exam were casually the speed of sound, they would be attacking Pain literally hundreds of times in that 5 second window if they were so far beyond Chuunin Exam level. But they don't. Because they can't.
@DarkEclipse23
2 күн бұрын
Well. That would be the point. You’re traveling 186k miles per second.
@DarkEclipse23
2 күн бұрын
As for Itachi there’s a difference between him and Kakashi. Itachi really just used his eyes to bring out Susanoo to tank Kirin. Not necessarily move.
@ZancralthePariah
Күн бұрын
Powerscalers hate the databook that says the yata mirror is omnidirectional and negates all physical and chakra attacks
@francisco65372
Күн бұрын
Tbh I think it's better than what happens with the Dragon Ball databooks where some youtubers would go and say that a north korean databook with Toriyama's name would be 1000% canon and he wrote that himself
@uzumaki2689
2 күн бұрын
Most people just don't know what hyperbole is
@ashanime5655
2 күн бұрын
Finally someone acknowledges the fact that data books use figire of speech. Getting ichigo to lightning speed because the data books says "like lightning" simile
@mystanky
2 күн бұрын
Power scalers can take things so literally sometimes. If a mangaka names a move “light cannon” or something because he thinks it sounds cool power scalers will be like “that random side character dodged a light speed attack! That must mean the whole verse is light speed or above! 🤓👆”
@giannixx
2 күн бұрын
Sasuke about his light speed Kirin: "It only lasts an instant... Just like the Amaterasu, it cannot be blocked or evaded." Yet later we have the Raikage dodging Amaterasu and Naruto blocking it with Kurama's chakra. So this means Minato or someone faster than him could be able to dodge Kirin?
@superblack898
3 күн бұрын
The main problem is the inconsistency with which people utilize the statements on these books. People will handwave away some statements and act like others are fact just based on what they wanna say. There’s no reason to say that Kirin is lightspeed over thunder speed because the databook says so. The databooks are mostly hyperbole and kishimoto hyping up things. Even the statement that the charts are an individual assessment is wrong, kid Sasuke is nowhere NEAR the peak of his speed, but the book would say otherwise. It’s all just story devices, and honestly that extends to a lot of what characters say in the story as well
@JoeyGiles-g4g
2 күн бұрын
Databooks: Sakura is no longer inferior to her team… The fan base: that’s capppppp
@cosmicloaf855
2 күн бұрын
That's the problem with manga data books and statements, everyone takes it as facts without feats. DB, Naruto, and One Piece fans are the usual culprits
@MysterygamerX1234
3 күн бұрын
7:32 Why is Viz hiding that? Also what did it actually say?
@auntgiiigiii333
3 күн бұрын
Love this video cuz it clears up a lot of stuff that I see people stand on when referring to the data books even when it makes u go 🤨
@whoizray_
2 күн бұрын
bro was muted by the loony tunes 😭
@adylutai10
3 күн бұрын
0:45 That Suigetsu reaction has to be made into a meme template 😂😂😂
@theblaze2294
3 күн бұрын
I agree, asian language uses a lot of hyperboles compared to english, you just can't take lots of concepts literally, not to mention some words are also lost in translation because there is not an exact word for it in english. Temari blows away the universe, Kisame's unleashing water jutsu faster than light, Samurai attacking in a flash, etc. it is absurd to take these statements literally, yet I know so many people do.
@dragondrakage2402
3 күн бұрын
Make a vid called the problem with lightspeed. Once you arrive at lightspeed, theres nothing you can really do to for a lack of a better word, "hype" it up. Due to nothing being faster than lightspeed in reality. This causes problems as characeyrs like haku are stated to be able to get to lightspeed, same way raikage is able to move at lightspeed, and juubidara uses atks at lightspeed... it throws consistency out the window
@DarkEclipse23
3 күн бұрын
They’re going lightspeed +1 and +2? 😂 maybe they keep saying “lightspeed” because it sounds cooler than “super duper ultra fast” 😂
@dragondrakage2402
3 күн бұрын
@DarkEclipse23 yeah, which I hope I've pointed out causes issues in terms of scaling. In no universe should Haku be able to dodge juubidara atks😅
@dragondrakage2402
3 күн бұрын
@DarkEclipse23 the author of jjk admits to do something like that. Where he used a mach speed because it sounded cool, but in reality characters should have been moving a bit faster than what he wrote
@beegyoshi800
2 күн бұрын
I always see people use the databook to say everyone at the Raikage's level of speed is Lightspeed and anyone faster is even faster than that despite that being very inconsistent with later statements, like Juubidara's Light Fang. I feel like people just pick and choose which statements to go along with so long as it fits their agenda. We can all agree that Raikage < KCM2 Naruto < KCM2 + Sage Mode Naruto > SoSP Naruto in terms of speed. But the second you mention the Light Fang being lightspeed, suddenly it's actually way faster than that? What's more believable, the guy who covers himself in lightning is light speed, or the beam of light that's literally said to be made of photons is lightspeed?
@mikederdrache3305
3 күн бұрын
I hate databook merchants. Especially those damn uchigger databook merchants
@corruptangel6793
2 күн бұрын
Sasuke: "this just brings down thunder from the heavens. I merely direct its power towards you...the name of this jutsu is kirin!" "Just as I thought... which is why it cannot be evaded..." "Why not?!" "The speed of lightning is 1/1,000 of a second... it's faster than sound!" Whether Zetsu has seen that jutsu or not is irrelevant. He's seen the strongest shinobi throughout history, including Hashirama and Madara. He would be THE expert on what shinobi are physically capable of. So yeah, Kirin is not lightspeed. The lightning is just a crap ton of ordinary lighting that Sasuke amassed and directs at his enemy. He doesn't even shoot the lightning at a target, allowing for the argument that he increased the lightning's velocity. This isn't the only technique that uses nateral phenomena as a weapon and causes it to take on animalistic form in the process. Guy's phenomena when using the gates are another example.
@JonTheMaven
Күн бұрын
Agreed. Also, 1/1000 of a second isn't speed, it's just time. For it to be speed, it has to be distance over time. If you try to calc the Kirin moving from the base of the cloud to Itachi's position in 1/1000 of a second it's nowhere near light speed. I tried to calc it extremely generously once, assuming it travelled from the top of the cloud, putting that at like 20k feet based on an exaggeration of the highest cumulonimbus clouds found IRL, and it was still an order of magnitude slower.
@lorddolphinfinite5387
3 күн бұрын
Chicken wing chicken wing hotdog and balogna
@patrickmorin752
3 күн бұрын
Can't believe you forgot "light speed water fang" smh Edit: aren't there also statements of gaara manipulating a limitless or infinite amount of sand?
@kakuzugoated873
3 күн бұрын
I mean it's Itachi, who scales really high, and Kakashi has blatant relativistic feats atp
@AidenB1010
3 күн бұрын
@@kakuzugoated873itachis ninjutsu probably are just lightspeed
@kakuzugoated873
3 күн бұрын
@@AidenB1010 Yea I agree, Kakashi specifically isn't as fast as the jutsu, I think with Haku stuff while using Raikiri he's around 33% lightspeed, and the water fang it's calced to like 20 something percent, so in both cases he is being outsped by these lightspeed jutsu but he is SLIGHTLY relative. All consistent 👍🏽
@AlanJia8
3 күн бұрын
LS Water Fang is correctly translated
@sixfromtokyo
3 күн бұрын
@@patrickmorin752 Lightspeed Water Fang is the correct translation.
@JinxeBlaq
3 күн бұрын
Love the little shade thrown to Lee fans lol. I still would’ve loved to see you confirm the statement as true tho
@obliteratex8966
2 күн бұрын
2:40 wtf is that pose 😭
@scape_stray601
2 күн бұрын
That's what I was thinking. Why is naruto getting backshots from big K
@kash2590
3 күн бұрын
i feel like most of the issues with the data books comes from misinterpretations rather than the statements being invalid
@JuanPerez-ru5qt
2 күн бұрын
Temari can destroy the planet with her fan - naruto data book.
@samoodustani5198
3 күн бұрын
I woke up ,with lack of sleep ,and when I saw this on my home page I thought sawgkage uploaded, but then moments later realised it is SIX, and I was like yeah SIX actually uploads videos every few days... keep it up man
@valeriansage
3 күн бұрын
Databooks are full of hyperboles and similes in general. Manga is the only one you can trust and the jutsu feat of light fang is not stated AT ALL. Sasuke's Amenotejikara chidori in the final fight was sensed by Naruto but even so he took the hit....what does that tell you? It means Light Fang is not lightspeed. And aside from Kirin, correct me if I'm wrong, that the feat of lightspeed has ever mentioned and there's no precedent that Six Paths Sage Mode can evade a lightspeed attack when a Limbo that Naruto can detect attacked him and sent him flying. Scaling characters as planet busters....continent level....lightspeed are all stupid constructs and limits a character....I'm not saying that it's not important to scale a character level but don't be reliant on it. he
@Sweetdude64
3 күн бұрын
Shoutout Sage of Thick Calves
@SaberEBW
3 күн бұрын
Can the Naruto community read? I thought we were better than the dbz community 😂😂
@newtrezlinlegend9173
2 күн бұрын
You should do a video going over data book statements that seem pretty legit or are supported by feats or something
@___________0Z0X
2 күн бұрын
Six should go over the other “six” databooks.
@strider_hiryu850
3 күн бұрын
what was the Rock Lee thing about? i didn't understand what you were talking about. did the databook say Rock Lee is stronger than Gaara or something?
@koreyfulcher
2 күн бұрын
Just one correction… Kirin is lightning speed the manga specifically mentioned lightning speed and the 1/1000th of a second statement directly correlates to lightning speeds So the databook is hyperbolic on that as well..
@Two-Tails2702
2 күн бұрын
Surprised we didnt get a "Wake up Wake up Wake up Wake up" during the cartoon sfx. Goated video
@philipmiller8495
2 күн бұрын
Hey Six love your vids bro. I know this is a Naruto video, but I was curious about your thoughts on Gojo vs Heian Era Sukuna. Me and the guys debate that a lot so I would love to see a video on you discussing it
@Linkthebased
3 күн бұрын
There's literally no contradictions, they just have logic manip
@nightlydata2181
2 күн бұрын
I'm surprised someone did a video actually fully goin over the mess that is the data books wit these discussions lol
@AnimeH34dguy
Күн бұрын
By stance when talking with poeple about this is there is no real reason to use the databooks, eith most statements you need to back them up with manga feats / statements to show your interpretation is likely. So why not just use feats and skip a step?
@Jakdisi1
2 күн бұрын
For sasuke and kirin. This only upscales Kirin, not debunks
@KingChiggy
3 күн бұрын
Is it bad that as an anime fan in general I am tired of everything being light speed? Every character in anime through some weird feat or by interacting with lightning or somehow dodging a beam attack is now suddenly light speed. What's the purpose of everyone and everything being light speed?
@Mooinator3000
3 күн бұрын
It's wild that this is a video just to explain to Naruto fans how to read
@kodoqbesar4301
3 күн бұрын
I have a question. So Hashirama Cells can heal most injuries without hand seals, can Hashirama Cells heals poison or even the effects of Metallica from JoJo and The Deathdealing from Bleach?
@augustoloureiro9474
3 күн бұрын
Minato did a contract seal on Obito that makes impossible for him to control Kyubi
@Normal_guy9
3 күн бұрын
For that one instance.
@wem_iii
2 күн бұрын
I put Guy above Kakashi because of how Sasuke reacted to him and how Itachi reacted to him. Dude aura was unmatched.
@iliebalica4012
2 күн бұрын
Kakashi is the strongest jonin in konoha until guy opens up the gates, they are relative in base.... even if sharingan would make you twice as fast
@giannixx
2 күн бұрын
"B-but Haku is light speed!"
@kodoqbesar4301
3 күн бұрын
I have a question. So Pain were controlled by Nagato via chakra. Of one if all the Pains got teleported far away from Nagato's location (lets say the other side of the planet or Kamui Dimension) will the Pains instantly fell or what? Because Jiraiya was able to trapped the Animal Path
@complex6753
3 күн бұрын
Other side of planet: probably to most likely (I'd imagine too far for nagato to track) Kamui: yes (if I remember correctly kamui is a realm that is only accessible to kamui users)
@elementaljedi9335
2 күн бұрын
In my opinion if it’s written or approved by Kishimoto it counts.
@orpheemulemo8053
2 күн бұрын
To move like light would literally be to move like light you would have to look for the context in the story if its wrong
@braxton2089
3 күн бұрын
mysterious ass pain statement 8:08 💀💀
@sixfromtokyo
3 күн бұрын
@@braxton2089 dat boy Braxton
@Leite_01
2 күн бұрын
the parts of the databooks written in *bold* fonts are there for hype.
@mr.protagonist5639
2 күн бұрын
simple, most data books are tied to the time they were created and kishimoto didn't really plan out Naruto that intricately or far in advance. data books should be the last thing you consider for that reason alone.
@r.a.panimefan2109
2 күн бұрын
Not quite last but taken to there account for instance we know in taijutsu he is quite good. His nin skill is quite reletive to his tai so in accordance with ilhis own kit outside of scaling. He should be almost as good in ninjutsu as he is in taijutsu That doesnt mean his ninjutsu is as good as sasukes.. Or others just means that in his own kit He also has 3 elements thats still a official statment. Do i suggest he can swing jutsu around like a mad man no of course not. But it shouldnt be unreasonable to expect he can use Things like clone shadow clone. And general ninjutsu.
@lolmuffins1
3 күн бұрын
haven't watched the video yet but this makes me think of all these people that use Haku's """light-speed mirrors""" to try and gas up the entire verse as FTL while Madara's light fang is also a light-speed attack. Both of these statements cannot be true. There is no way that some Jonin-level ninja who is ultimately fodder in the grand scheme of things is scaling to 10paths characters 600 chapters later, in any way.
@alabamamanofficial4817
3 күн бұрын
There are so many statements of light speed, if you ignore it you are just downplaying it. Haku was moving through the mirrors at light speed. Hell even Haku in the dub Anime said he can move through them at light speed, don't know if he said it in the manga but the anime he states it.
@faith4657
3 күн бұрын
And what's wrong here, cause there have been statements like this many times. So we should just discard, just cause.
@phantomrogue7894
3 күн бұрын
Not only that, the series literally contradicts light speed characters. Mabui's technique Heavenly Transfer is a technique that transfers things at light speed. They made a big deal about it saying no living being can travel at light speed. The Raikage survived because of his durability but Tsunade was injured. Tsunade was way stronger and more durable than Haku and Part 1 Naruto so if Part 1 Naruto was light speed, he would have been damaged.
@JonTheMaven
3 күн бұрын
@alabamamanofficial4817 the issue I have with this is, all of those statements are coming from the databooks, and Six has done a great job explaining why they're so unreliable. All of the databook statements about light speed attacks could be, likely are IMO, hyperbolic. The only time the term light speed comes up in the manga itself is with Heavenly Transfer
@phantomrogue7894
3 күн бұрын
There are light speed characters in Naruto but not so early on. There's no evidence of Naruto characters being mftl. Ftl maybe, but not mtfl.
@JonTheMaven
3 күн бұрын
This is a solid overview of the topic, but I fear you've missed a lot of statements that would further bolster your position. All 4 of the databooks are rife with issues. For instance: (4th) Konan's paper person of god is unavoidable by any jutsu Bee's Octopus Hold is unbrekable Bomb Blast Dance and Great Fire Annihilation can't be escaped Ohnoki's dust release has no counter (3rd) Orochimaru is universal, produces infinite snakes, cannot be harmed, and they cannot be avoided or blocked Transfer Seal Amaterasu cannot be avoided by any means Deidara's Clay Clone cannot be escaped by any jutsu Iron Sand has universal AP because it's magnetic and poisoned (2nd) Toad Mouth Bind is inescapable Quick Beheading Dance can cut down anything (more universal AP Temari) Prison Sand Burial cannot be escaped Tsunade's foot has universal AP (1st) Kabuto's sleep genjutsu cannot be resisted Blade of Wind is unavoidable Sasuke's fireball has universal AP So does Abumi Zaku If you'll pardon the self promotion, if you're interested, I made a video analysis of the Swag vs Noodles Pain vs Itachi debate, and I go over these examples and more (and provide scans) in the first 15 minutes or so. I also politely, but strongly disagree with your position on the data book stats not being relative between characters. I think you should do a deeper dive there and try to prove or disprove it with a more thorough analysis
@sixfromtokyo
3 күн бұрын
@@JonTheMaven There is no debate to be had over the databook stats. Databook 3 tells you what the progression charts are to be used for.
@JonTheMaven
3 күн бұрын
@sixfromtokyo right, but there's a difference between the way an individual's stats progress over time, and the way that character's stats compare to other characters at a given point in time. Were the progression charts even present in the first data book? If they were not, but characters still have individual stats, and those stats are consistent with their actual performance and feats, I'd say it's reasonable to conclude the stats themselves are relative between characters. (with the caveat that they're all clearly calibrated to a given max value... so like, if the scale tops out at 5, and Kakashi and Itachi both had a 5 in taijutsu, that just means they're both Tier 5, not that they're perfectly equal) Idk about a debate, but there's a discussion to be had, for sure!
@sixfromtokyo
3 күн бұрын
@@JonTheMaven yea except they aren't consistent however I brought up one of the most inconsistent pieces in the video that being Kid Neji & Hiruzen.
@animeato6609
3 күн бұрын
Father came back with the milk Surprisingly didn’t take long
@ashanime5655
2 күн бұрын
Temari is universal, cope L + ratio
@elcalabozodelandroide2
2 күн бұрын
Temari can blow away universe.
@jimmytaylor4102
Күн бұрын
The databooks say huyga over uchia but it's never happens
@crashtime3429
2 күн бұрын
"ACTUALLY LN NARUTO AND ANY LN CHARACTER CAN BEAT GOKU BECAUSE HES ONLY UNIVERSAL 🤡"
@keve5534
2 күн бұрын
The graphs being q show if the individual characters growth and not comparable to others is so unintuitive. That means the numbers have different meaning for each character. Just don't do numbers if that is how it's supposed to be used because now 41 str Naruto and 41 str Neji would be completely different metrics.
@EzBreezy750
3 күн бұрын
The AP of those loony tunes sounds were universal
@zonnodon163
3 күн бұрын
Why the self mute? Might as well post them down visually on video....
@haku-8785
3 күн бұрын
great vid mr paths
@Tyren54
3 күн бұрын
Talk about the “Sealed inside Naruto is a power that can easily turn the world into ash” I wanna put the haters to rest
@Sonic-q6i
3 күн бұрын
Y'all are gonna be amazed when I start doing these but it won't be for a manga 😏
@ReFestive
3 күн бұрын
I'd like to think that the obito not being capable of controlling the nine tails might be in regards to him controlling the full power nine tails rather then the nerfed version he actually did
@DBZMacky
3 күн бұрын
Finally someone calls the databooks out! The worst offenders are the stats given for each character. It's even worse than Jojo's stand stats when they say that Sarada and Chocho have more strength than Naruto lol
@insertname5371
3 күн бұрын
The one that gets me is all the chakra natures randomly given to people who use no nature jutsu.
@gameuniverse5973
3 күн бұрын
I don't know Obito and nagato having it make sense to me both are seen as prodigys they just don't use it because they have better stuff also Obito for some reason does not use a lot of his kit regardless they literally had Obito mention that nah he not going to bother using the Rinnegan abilities even tho the absorbation I would argue would be useful in his fighting style
@insertname5371
3 күн бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 im not taking about guys like them im talking about how much of the konoha 12 have random chakra natures added on like fire.
@gameuniverse5973
3 күн бұрын
@@insertname5371 I mean dint Kakashi explain that having a natural good chakra nature is normal with it not being uncommon to have a second weaker affinity for another one It just that you are able to learn more even all five if you train for it
@gameuniverse5973
3 күн бұрын
@@insertname5371 it just that most of the konoha don't bother with the natures and focus on their clan abilities or straight physical stats
@JonaD757
3 күн бұрын
If I'm not mistaken it's stated in the Manga that most Jonin have mastered or at least use 2 Chakra natures.
@kakarot9309
3 күн бұрын
You forgot to mention Kurama turning the world to ash
@tythegreatttg
3 күн бұрын
Anyone else watching this video with Close captions on?
@Rapidd_
Күн бұрын
My problem is why toneri is stronger than kaguya bro literally got defeated by 19yo kcm2 naruto
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