This issue has been fixed in the Alpha Strike update
@user-bl1lh1xv1s
11 ай бұрын
This has always annoyed me since they introduced it... The fact that the weapon selection takes like a second to switch to another weapon group after the current one is depleted makes this really inconvenient.
@lt.lettuce2023
11 ай бұрын
The f84g with the 24 or so hvars is the absolute worst. All of the missiles are split into pairs up to 8.
@user-bl1lh1xv1s
11 ай бұрын
@lt.lettuce2023 so true! I think that's one of the worst examples of this bs. I tried using it with weapon selection in grb a month ago, and it's completely impossible to fire a good salvo because of the way the rockets are split into groups.
@crazycatrox70
11 ай бұрын
@@lt.lettuce2023 Its realistic though... they fire for each group of 2 pylons
@perennialE
11 ай бұрын
Being a fan of Jaek is like being a fan of cooking before grills were invented
@friesingcold
11 ай бұрын
Fr
@vanos3378
11 ай бұрын
Im too high to get this but agreed
@CircuitCatWT
11 ай бұрын
Honest
@infusedj9498
10 ай бұрын
@@vanos3378high, how are you?
@Rusher_789
11 ай бұрын
Unironcally this feature/bug caused maybe caused 15/20% of my mig29 and smt deaths where I spammed the weapon selection key once too many times(skill issue obvs but reasonably tough to do flawlessly when in a high action furbal).
@aeruxo138
11 ай бұрын
i wouldn’t even consider this a skill issue, that one second can always mean life or death
@GeneralLee2000
11 ай бұрын
They're RUINING our experience with this 😭
@danredda1
11 ай бұрын
It could be "fixed" without any code changes by applying the same tornado solution for those of us that switch weapons. Just call 1 stock in the name (eg 9L [STOCK]), and then when you get the unlockable there are 2 versions of the missile that show on the same pylon - a stock one, and one without the stock tag. That way for those of us who care, we can swap to the non-stock one and reduce switching. This does have a gameplay impact too because it takes time when you automatically switch after firing the 2 stock/not stock missiles, and the auto switch order might not go IR- > IR. So whereas in a plane like the MLU you can throw out all 4 9Ls in the space of about 5s, in the ADFs it can take upwards of 6-7s because the ~1s auto switch time (and maybe longer if you need to switch from SARH to IR after it autos to the SARH). At the speeds these jets go, that can be the difference between getting a missile off and not.
@superfamilyallosauridae6505
11 ай бұрын
Hell, you could make the modifications that unlock more of the missile DISABLE the stock ones, the same way the modification ENABLES the non stock. Would be very simple.
@fredning3340
11 ай бұрын
Ran to this kind of issue when I just got into top tier, always reminds me the transcript from the Gulf of Sidra Incident. Where the pilot thought he selected Sidewinder but was actually on Sparrow hence he kept saying he doesn’t have tone. Nowadays I always double tab the cycle weapon key to make sure I’m on the right weapons.
@fdfd4739
11 ай бұрын
I feel like they could probably make a workaround even if they can't necessarily "fix" it properly with their old engine and all. Honestly, I'd even take most jets recieving lower tier missiles stock (Like the German Mig-29A using R-60 non-m stock, but available for all rails without an upgrade.) just because it's caused me slip ups a couple of times when I switch to my R-27ERs rather than my last two R-60s. Knowing Gaijin they're gonna replace this jank with more jank though lol.
@mfern45
11 ай бұрын
I like that I can select which pair of Sidewinders I can use, because it lets me fire my under-wing missiles first, and save my tipwinders for last, which is far more visually pleasing.
@thundreski
11 ай бұрын
worse for roll rate tho
@AlteryxGaming
11 ай бұрын
They could just make it so when you unlock/install a certain modification it disallows the stock version of that weapon like how on F-8U the FFAR tray is tied to its respective modification. TLDR: Make stock missiles un-installable when modifications are unlocked
@Krelp
11 ай бұрын
Im so used to double tapping my switch weapons key by now
@blessthismessss
11 ай бұрын
on the F-16 ADF it lets you keep your wingtip sidewinders while firing your underwing pylons first, which is ONE small thing this is kinda nice for but honestly gaijin should have just made the wingtip pylons fire off last in sequence in the first place, without...this lol.
@SkinkUA
11 ай бұрын
i like how the conclusion is just "deal with it"
@FirstDagger
11 ай бұрын
Laziness on Gaijin's part no properly using the launcher rails as containers.
@Alemikkola
11 ай бұрын
Thanks Jaek for pointing this out. One simple thing Gaijin could do if they cared, is to move the default missile to the innermost pylon. That would fix the problem for F-16's and MiG-29's, as 99% of the time you have AIM-7 or R-27 on that pylon. Only downside would be a slightly worse stock grind during the brief moment before you unlock missiles for the outer pylons.
@fat2286
11 ай бұрын
talk about the fuze bug missles pls
@sekutard5157
11 ай бұрын
Jaek is the only youtuber i will sometimes watch on 0.75x keep the good content coming please
@ODST_Parker
11 ай бұрын
The system is even worse with bombs now, because they've changed it and broken it at least twice now. You have to take a few stupid factors into account whenever you take a bomber out with multiple bomb types, and you have to switch between weapon selection and standard drops with different keybinds. For example, I've been spading the B-57B. I got to the maximum bomb load, which is eight 1000lb bombs OR the best effective loadout I've found, four 1000lb bombs and four BLU-27/B incendiaries. With this, you can take out a base with two of each, for two easy bases. That is, until you start to figure out how to drop both types quickly. To start, you make a loadout with the HE bombs in the bay and incendiaries on the wing, simple. Then, you can use weapon selection to switch between them. Remember, incendiaries will glide further, so you want to drop them first to get them in the same spot, otherwise you risk dropping them ahead of your target when the bomb sight adjusts upon switching. Problem is, once you switch to the incendiaries on the wing, the bomb bay closes. So, you have to keep on the HE until you get ready to drop, quickly switch to incendiaries, drop two, quickly switch again, drop two HE, and continue on to your second target. You can't rely on automatic switching, of course, because Gaijin added a delay between them. Oh, and you can't use the "bomb series" keybind, because it's still broken and blocked by weapon selection, even though that's not the case with rockets. You'd have to use the separate keybind, "secondary weapon ripple quantity," which doesn't always have the same drop quantities as the bomb series selection in the pre-spawn menu. You CAN disable weapon selection on your second base, since all you have left is two of each bomb, and they'll theoretically drop all of them together if you spam the drop or bomb series keybind. Not so. I've noticed a seemingly random or at least inconsistent delay in certain bomb drops while using that, so it can't be relied on. Testing has resulted in several missed bombs due to that delay. So yeah, Gaijin broke bombers... again. Any bomber with multiple bombs that need to be dropped separately on each base will be very annoying to coordinate, especially something like the B.57 or Z.1007 with bombs in a bay AND on the wing.
@Marker_Pliers
11 ай бұрын
Always a good day when jaek uploads
@teajace
11 ай бұрын
Bro you made me aware of a problem that I always casually dealt with
@jerryjuutalainen1783
11 ай бұрын
Soo here is my tip for that cycle to your SARH missiles on takeoff and then use the ''enable/disable secondary weapon selection'' to cycle between IR and radar aams since your irs will take prio by default and when enabling secondary weapons it will cycle to what you preselected before that. This isn't a fix mind you but a work around.
@KaguyasBeat
11 ай бұрын
I wondered why some did this. F-16AJ has 9P's stock and after I researched them it would do this. Annoying. Was wondering if the same would happen once I got the 9L's and... obviously it doesn't. Never really though about it but this vid just gave me an "ooooohhhhhhh" moment lol
@a_stone
11 ай бұрын
This is also an issue on helicopters with stingers and stuff. They're split into 2 sets of 2 for some reason.
@RasmusVas
11 ай бұрын
I have been malding about this since the f16 was added, its so annoying having to cycle through 2 weapon groups because of the stock loadout
@The_Gaming_Hamster
11 ай бұрын
Don’t even get me started on the Apaches lmao, having to cycle between two lots of stingers is so annoying.
@piscessoedroen
11 ай бұрын
It's especially annoying when you bring the sparrow, as now you have to realize that you're trying to BVR with a 9L because you didn't click your weapon cycle twice
@jdreyes3745
11 ай бұрын
@@piscessoedroenNot to mention the fact that the moment you switch out of the Sparrows, the first set you end up picking is the tipwinders, which when fired first, makes the plane pretty cursed.
@buschacha
11 ай бұрын
Assuming Gaijin modeled pylon drag to a detailed enough degree you can actually exploit this: on the F-16 the underwing hard points generate more drag than those on the wingtips. Because the weapon selector always cycles from outer to innermost pylon, you can/should fire your underwing IR missiles first as that will reduce your drag more than using the missiles on the tips. In a sea of F-16 Vs F-16 all else being equal it could give you an edge.
@jaek_898
11 ай бұрын
Last time I tested pylon drag trying to prove it existed I couldn't find any difference whatsoever, even on the milan's massive pylons. There's definitely drag for rocket pods but I don't think missile pylons have drag, at least when i tested it about 6 months ago.
@buschacha
11 ай бұрын
@@jaek_898 Disappointing. Well, maybe Gaijin will one day make it worthwhile.
@Sweeps_
11 ай бұрын
well since top tier is based on reaction time one more click has killed me in F16ADF so many times… imo it should absolutely be changed.
@FatherExo
11 ай бұрын
Leaving my comment so the video doesn’t flop… also when are you collating with greg
@Ming-Chan
11 ай бұрын
Gaijin's lazy programming is infuriating to deal with. Would be nice if they do QOL for a patch instead of dumping a bunch of vehicle models onto us.
@ricolives1166
11 ай бұрын
Yeah I'll be honest, after a few games games in my stock ADF I said F it and GE 9Ls and flaresv& chaff. Top tier is BRUTAL stock. Even ground. That's why premium jets like the F4S are so worth it. When a premium F14 or F16 comes out, they will literally be the best business real Gaijin ever did
@FairFireFight
11 ай бұрын
the spaghetti code is real with this one.
@cmblazemuza7335
5 ай бұрын
What a weird ace combat briefing
@Rorywizz
11 ай бұрын
This happens on the Harrier gr.7 which is really annoying sometimes
@aussiedogfighter285
11 ай бұрын
maybe something they can do is when you unlock more of the stock missile (for example the F-16A-15 ADF and it's AIM-9L, as well as making the extra AIM-9Ls available, it hides the stock missiles, and their place is taken by unlockable missiles
@NGC2419-
11 ай бұрын
My hate with this is that if the weapons did combine on something like the F-16C with Aim-9Ms, it fires the wingtip missiles before the ones under the wing, which may be realistic and practical in a physics way, but just doesn't look cool when your left with 2 and they aren't on the end of the wings.
@Pollyvx
11 ай бұрын
it lets you have two whoppers and two more whoppers
@Jdhdhhdjdjdjdj
11 ай бұрын
I would like 2 sidewinders and 2 more sidewinders
@Captain_Coleslaw
11 ай бұрын
As always, out here with the hard fax! I have always been annoyed with this behavior, its nice to know why now!
@ivanvukadin3194
11 ай бұрын
Do you plan on making a big IR-Missle video with the remaining nations like face/China/Isreal and such in one?
@jaek_898
11 ай бұрын
Yes. France first though.
@alexram184
11 ай бұрын
awesome vid, mr war thunder detective
@evo3s75
11 ай бұрын
This has always been a thing. It's annoying cause you have to cycle through the same missile twice
@goon7235
11 ай бұрын
Hey I love your videos, do you reckon you will be comparing f-5 freedom fighters and their differences?
@jaek_898
11 ай бұрын
Not in the near future but probably at some point
@_ace_defective_
11 ай бұрын
Personally I think that this isn't *the* problem with stock missiles (my biggest problem is the lack of sufficient stock missiles lol), but it is definitely very annoying....
@jaek_898
11 ай бұрын
I really wanna see some stock SARH missiles
@_ace_defective_
11 ай бұрын
@@jaek_898 Absolutely - if planes like the F-14B can carry up to 8 missiles, surely it can't hurt to give me say, two AIM-9Ls *and* two AIM-7Ms stock. You still have half your missile count, but you can be a little less useless to your team that way
@RT42069
11 ай бұрын
@@jaek_898you mean besides AIM-9C and R-3R?
@jaek_898
11 ай бұрын
@@RT42069 yes, for 12.0+ jets.
@tabanne9738
11 ай бұрын
Another typical Gajin-spaghetti-code issue... Thanks for the explanation though.
@vaapps
11 ай бұрын
God this happens with the JA37C too and its annoying sometimes
@PyroRaptor841
11 ай бұрын
Holy crap Jaek_ uploafed
@DieErsteKartoffel
11 ай бұрын
YES I HAVE NOTICED, IT’S BEEN PLAGUING ME FOREVER! MY ONLY SANCTUARY HAS BEEN THE MLU
@lt.lettuce2023
11 ай бұрын
It would be nice if the loadout menu went by pylon in a 3d menu
@swagbelly7740
11 ай бұрын
Absurd part is russian devs said its hard to fix this problem(lol) and they need time, i mean, gaijin was fixing gepard1a2 bug fpr like almost 10 monts, they just dont care about players as long as money is not in picture
@derekturner3272
11 ай бұрын
Wouldn't' it be amazing if when you earn or buy a plane, you get it unlocked. Would simplify things SOOO much. Not to mention less nickel and diming for EVERYTHING. Never gonna happen... But we can dream.
@goliath3413
11 ай бұрын
Could you tell me how you access missile data in a text editor?
@jaek_898
11 ай бұрын
I have a blk unpack tool, you can get the vromfs files from your root file\cache\binary\aces.vromfs.bin and then run that through the unpacker and then you have all the blk files on your pc.
@goliath3413
11 ай бұрын
@@jaek_898 i did try it but it opens console and closes it. the only file that works is webUI
@lorenmax2.013
11 ай бұрын
I've already said this but I'll keep saying it. The Ace Combat music is a top choice, I'm an 8 year old kid again
@ImLoreYT
11 ай бұрын
Jaek do a video about how to play top tier
@ImAFatCheezIt
11 ай бұрын
This is actually a bit helpful for me, but not by much since I can switch the R-60M i have selected to reset the seeker incase its locking onto flares or dead planes, since I don't have a turn off seeker head keybind
@jonathanoriley8260
11 ай бұрын
You can just do that by assigning a key to missile seeker toggle, bro
@ImAFatCheezIt
11 ай бұрын
too complicated, i already have too many binds set and its hard to find a new key or combination of keys whenever a patch drops nad new features come@@jonathanoriley8260
@_Joob
11 ай бұрын
War Thunder Education
@jnlk2505
11 ай бұрын
Gaijin try not to break the game (impossible)
@_Ladiesman217
11 ай бұрын
I actually prefer the current weapon selection system it gives me the opportunity to take off boresight shots up close with wing tip missiles and med range shots off my inner pylon - but I also run two 9Ls, two 9ms and 2 7ms so I can’t really complain lol
@sadfrog5787
11 ай бұрын
why do you bring a worse missile...
@Frogg-YT
11 ай бұрын
they need fix this, game unplayable only because that
@hvavvgme
11 ай бұрын
this problem gets me killed alot in 1v4s and its wild how lazy gajijn is to not fix it already
@observador.555
11 ай бұрын
This is also bothering me a lot man, I didn't have this before
@cheekibreeki4638
11 ай бұрын
Slavs properly code a game (impossible challenge)
@DoomOfConviction
11 ай бұрын
The weapon selector stinks anyway, especially the ripple quantity. You have 14 bombs on your plane; too bad you can’t drop them all at once with CCRP, just in series, but you could drop 8 bombs at a time or 16 if you had them. It’s such a joke!
@DartStebz
11 ай бұрын
Just reported it to Gaijin
@jaek_898
11 ай бұрын
They're already aware of it
@-Hari-03
11 ай бұрын
annoys me most on JA37C
@mamarussellthepie3995
11 ай бұрын
Bro Atcleast on the F16 it lets you choose to or not to fire tipwinders first Jeese People these days xd
@joshsullivan8527
11 ай бұрын
Bug report this to gaijins please
@getBeis_official
11 ай бұрын
i hate the mig29smt problem
@DerpeyGnome
11 ай бұрын
This always annoys me
@cmdrTremyss
11 ай бұрын
Ok, nice to know but how does it help me to get a gf?
@zzz6730
11 ай бұрын
It is very annoying
@roberttauzer7042
11 ай бұрын
Wdym "you won't expect it to be fixed"? Sure they'll fix it. Just report the bug. Ever read thru the list of "The Things We Fixed" by Gaijin? They are regular and they are HUGE. Greedy scumbags? 100% but they contrary to popular believe, indeed work on their games.
@mk2389
11 ай бұрын
Jesus this is hilariously bad coding
@derboss.
11 ай бұрын
Dude u r talking too fast and with no enthusiasm. It sounds like a kid in school reading something forced by the teacher. Where is the passion?
@jaek_898
11 ай бұрын
If I try to add enthusiasm it kinda sounds forced and unnatural, I'll keep that in mind though
@rayzenlll2717
11 ай бұрын
Hmm. Odd. I found his narration very well-made and full, so, that weird opinion seems more of a personal problem (other words for this could be "skill issue"). Why would you want him to talk in an "enthusiastic" and "happy" way if the sole subject of the video is to report a problem? And your issue with the "passion"; isn't doing a dozen videos, purely to teach others the basics and advanced of nearly every missile in the game if not just ALL at this point, planes and their variants compared - when HE could just choose to keep it to himself - not passionate enough for you? You sure do look like Martin Scorsese to be that critical.
@derboss.
11 ай бұрын
What is your problem? A "weird opinion"? Opinion is opinion. I could say the same to your comment here. Why should I have a personal problem with him? I never met him. I was just watching his video and gave him an advice. He can do with it what he wants. I don't understand why YOU are so personally attacked now lol @@rayzenlll2717
@weltall7283
11 ай бұрын
maybe a solution could be making the unlockable weapons a quantity based thing instead of pylon based. For example, you could have 2 AIM-9Ls stock but researching it would unlock all 6. You could only put them on the compatible pylons obviously but I think that would be a possible solution.
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