16:12 I was not made aware of the Hot Wheels case being sold before the auction, so at the moment at the convention it took me by surprise. But I think a key distinction here is that the hot wheels case was a gift I gave to them, and not something that was technically mine or on loan from me. Being a gift to LMG, it was their property to do what they want with it. While it would have been nice to be told beforehand, I don't think they had any obligation to inform me, and expecting them to do so isn't fair in my eyes. At the time, I was thinking it would have been cool to have kept the rear machined plate that Tynan and I worked together on to design for the build. But not long after, I was over it. I have several hot wheels PCs, so I'm not losing sleep over it. Someone got a really cool PC case from one of their favorite youtube videos, and the proceeds went to charity. Given that the charity was a pediatric hospital, and my SO is a pediatric nurse, I can't really be upset about that. My purpose for that case was served. I passed it onto a new home. When they no longer needed it, they did the same. I hope it is able to bring joy to the new owner.
@TechTechPotato
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for jumping in the comments to confirm! :)
@hyperbandit
Жыл бұрын
@@TechTechPotato Just out of curiosity, as it's now come to light, does the fact that Billet Labs initially told LMG they could keep the water block change anything? Yes they asked for it back and LMG agreed, but I could see it being marked in the system as "LMG property" in their inventory, and would have had to been manually changed to "return to vendor", which obviously did not happen which lead to the sale of the unit. But I do think it changes a bit of the narrative that Billet Labs was putting forward, as they seemed to specifically push on the fact that this was their sole prototype and they had lost valuable production time on. Seems strange for something they had never initially planned to get back.
@reallunacy
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the added information. I really enjoyed that collab video.
@DigitalDependance
Жыл бұрын
Great clarification, I will also note that I believe Billet labs apparently initially told LMG they could keep it then changed their mind. From a legal point of view id imagine once you have possession and have been given permission to keep it, its then at your discretion to honor the gifting parties change of mind. (Ofcourse returning it most certainly is the correct and ethical thing to do). It appears LMG did agree to return it, but miscommunicated it internally and disposed of it by charity action. I was initially disgusted with how this played out, but if it is as described above then while unfortunate I think LMG acted in good faith and even although making an error have done what is necessary to remedy the error by reimbursing them for the item or offering to make attempts to retrieve it.Still, it highlights procedural errors and suggests that they should have all people/companies sending items sign some kind of material exchange order form stating the condition of the goods handling (gift, loan, loan period, disposal conditions etc)
@DigitalDependance
Жыл бұрын
@@hyperbanditEXACTLY!
@KirkLazurus
Жыл бұрын
1:17:13 When Terren was hired by LMG, Linus mentioned on a WAN show that he was after Terren for a while because he had confidence in Terren from his NCIX days. Linus tried to hire Terren after NCIX went down but he had already accepted the offer at Dell.
@AbbaHajou
Жыл бұрын
He's also said it's happened a few different times where he's wanted Terren but each time Terren had moved around and was newly out of LMG's price range.
@KirkLazurus
Жыл бұрын
Yes.
@teebles
Жыл бұрын
More on this specific comment around this time. I also think that the corporate experience that these veteran players in the industry is vital for the transition of LMG from small team to mid sized company. The processes evolved and decorum required in a large company differs greatly from a small one. "Bro culture" doesn't fly in larger companies with more diverse employees. The whole Madison situation in my opinion might not have happened had the new CEO been around at that time. We often forget that Linus and Yvonne fell into these rolls, along with other senior executives. Not because they had experience leading a team or seeing what CFO should do, but just doing the work to keep the lights on. Now with their company size hitting a critical mass it requires more structure and communication.
@IdunRedstone
Жыл бұрын
It's so confusing as an old LMG fan to here people talk about hiring terren as CEO because of the original terren who was editor who worked there and quit not that long ago lol
@tinsucevic
Жыл бұрын
@@IdunRedstone It's even weirder to see it when people actively misspell their names. Terren is CEO guy and Tarran is the macro king
@bleachedsound
Жыл бұрын
34:49 A comment on "kind of like a research paper": Research papers provide abstracts in the beginning. A research paper never start off with the data. Furthermore, when you say " Steve's opinion", which definition are you referring to? "a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge or "a statement of advice by an expert on a professional matter." Even in the first definition, an opinion can be based on fact, and what is that called in a scientific paper? A hypothesis. (Defined as: a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation). A hypothesis is in the beginning of the paper. Evidence / data is provided after.
@PhilfreezeCH
Жыл бұрын
I agree with basically everything you said except some statements in Pt 6: Accuracy, Ethics and Responsibility. Lets get the easiest out of the way. At the end you say GN Steve offers two possible options, either the content is rushed or the team is unqualified and that he doesn't leave the door option to other options such as growth pains, miss-management, lack of QC etc. Personally I think this is non-point as I would include most of these things in the 'non-qualified' statement (except if Steve clearly states a specific team that isn't qualified). They are just failures of different teams, showing they are currently not well qualified to fully perform their job (here qualified not in the 'lack of degree' sense but in the 'lack of experience' way). Ultimately this is irrelevant though, its just wording. Now for the more important bit. I disagree with you that as long as the potential conflict of interest is stated in the video, the Framework investment is a non-issue. Additionally, you imply that as long as companies send their laptops this indicates they are still okay with it and that they are the best arbiters. For the first thing, a general audience is not very good at judging how a conflict of interest can influence reviews or how severe this is. Especially since you almost influence them into thinking it is a non-issue by letting Linus continue to host these videos (a person may assume that if LTT is fine with it, then the conflict of interest may not matter). I think this conflict of interest does represent a serious issue, specifically if Linus is the host of these videos (and he has hosted laptop reviews after his investment, I checked). Generally a pro-active recusal is considered best practice, in fact Linus is aware of this and I remember the WAN-show poll where he asked the audience what he should do. There he said he should probably not host these videos anymore (if I remember correctly the audience voted that he can still host but polling a likely loyal part of your fanbase is improper in itself). Personally I would consider this issue to be resolved if he stopped hosting the videos. As far as I know he is personally invested (not LMG is invested) so this recusal would make sure no or minimal involvement from the party with potential conflicts of interest. Second, companies will send their laptops as long as they expect a positive ROI from the review. This might still be the case even if the review is not totally fair as LTT has a large audience and even a biased review can still be positive overall. So the laptop makers are in fact not the best judge here at all. As per the seperation between church and state (content and ads), I agree that in general this is pretty good. However, especially on Short Circuits they do sometimes mention that a device was given to them by the company etc. This indicates at least some awareness from one side to the dealings of the other. A much larger issue however is their secret sponsor shopper. Personally I think if you compare their treatment of Dell in this video compared to how they previously treated other computer-builders in previous secret-shoppers, it is quite easy to spot that the scale was not the same. Dell was treated far more nicely, especially in the conclusion (number of stars). I am inclined to say this is a small minority of their videos and as such it does not matter, however, both indicate that the seperation inside might not be as clean as we are let to believe. So we actually cannot really tell how much of a conflict of interest this is overall. Another point, this time on the Pwnage mouse video. I think one the biggest issues there is how it was handled. First the error wasn't acknowledged, then they did and edited out the segment talking about how well it glides. However, the conclusion is now left untouched with no statement as to wheter this would impact their conclusion or not. This is a no-go for me, even if this does not influence your conclusion, this must be clearly stated. Another another point, at the end, I think what GN Steve was talking about with having to tip-toe around LTTs mistakes (and probably also why he thinks its damaging to the space) is that if their numbers do not agree, they (GN) are accussed of publishing wrong numbers. This is something HUB Steve also talked about in his new podcast. If the numbers disagree with LTT, most comments will be about that and most will assume LTT is correct. This is likely because of two things: LTT has a larger audience and they have recently started to brand themself using Labs and the 'objectivity' this gives them. While I agree that the way GN Steve said it was over-generalized and he shouldn't have spoken for everyone, I do think he has a point there (at least HUB seems to agree, so its not like he is the only one). Final point, yes, not everyone should be held to the same standards but everyone should be held to the standards they explicitly claim or just imply. LTT has of recent made quite a lot of reference to Labs and how this has professional level equipment with professionals producing professional tests and high-quality (objective) numbers. So they have started to market themself with objctivity as a plus-point of them. For me this means we can (and should) hold them to this standard. I assume you have dealt with testing labs (like UL) before. In my opinion, if you go about marketing Labs the way LTT did, I would expect professionalism more in-line with UL than with your typical KZitem hardware-reviewer (at least from a data perspective, obviously the script on the LTT channel themself will be less that, but the data should be rock solid). This is simply not the case, I have worked in an electronics testing lab before and even small errors we noticed always caused retractions and usually ended with us testing a product again (for free of course) and if it happened to often we would probably have gone bankrupt. If LTT or rather Labs does not want to be held to such a standard, which is obviously fine, then they should be more careful with how they market themself. At the moment they seem to be no more accurate, reliable or expansive in their testing than the likes of GN or HUB so they have to be careful to not imply otherwise.
@mobriskie
Жыл бұрын
I agree with some of your criticisms of Steve at GN, but as someone who is a consumer and has used LTT, GN, and Hardware Unboxed as a source to narrow down my choices when looking at getting a new CPU, MB, RAM, graphics card, or monitor I am concerned that as many errors as LTT/LMG were making it may have skewed choices I have made. At the end of the day they were still my choices to make and I realize that LTT is a bit more entertainment oriented but they do still portray a degree of “we know what we are doing” and I appreciate Steve @ GN at least shining a spotlight on the issues for the sake of other consumers like me. I also do not know if Steve would have been so harsh on LTT if LTT’s lab employee had not specifically called GN and Hardware Unboxed out in the lab tour video. Retaliation?? Perhaps so but he who casts the first stone should be sure he is on solid ground. The LTT employee was putting down GN and Hardware Unboxed while he was on weak footing. You stated that Steve can’t really qualify if any consumers or sales have been impacted by the LTT string of errors but I’d argue, as a consumer, that they have done their followers a disservice. In the end I hope LTT comes out better for it all. I am hoping for a positive outcome for them and the consumers.
@octacilioalvares5879
Жыл бұрын
I disagree with one specific point: Does a bad LMG review hurt GN? I would say yes, not only GN but every other reviewer. Let's say a layman is looking to buy a GPU and searches for it on KZitem. Then he watches two videos, one from LMG and the other from another reviewer. There is clearly a discrepancy in the results. Which one will he trust, the 1M subscriber channel or the 15M one? After that point, the credibility of one is, at least, tainted.
@TechTechPotato
Жыл бұрын
You'd hope that they'd check a third source if the first two disagree.
@mapesdhs597
Жыл бұрын
@@TechTechPotato Hope is not a plan. :)
@ArdgalAlkeides
Жыл бұрын
@@TechTechPotato and you should know better than to expect that of the average person on the internet
@jonasghafur4940
Жыл бұрын
@@mapesdhs597neither is assuming
@__aceofspades
Жыл бұрын
I dont know what it is, but after a certain point of growth it seems like all PC tech reviewers start having ego issues. Linus being the current discussion (again), but Jayz has had his fair share of beefs on twitter, Steve (GN) picking on /r/hardware Reddit comments, and Steve (HUB) on twitter and YT comments. It's there for all of them if you know where to look. Maybe its the environment, having fan bases and companies that regularly throw shade at each other, and the toxicity just seeps into the reviewers.
@Iridiumcosmos
Жыл бұрын
I noticed Steve (GN) also had a habit of being negative about certain products in the past. I’m not sure if he still carries that trend nowadays. HUB needs to stop letting the fanboys get to them. That’s my biggest problem with them.
@shooterrick1
Жыл бұрын
@@Iridiumcosmos I think that defaulting to negativity and scepticism is a good approach in this capitalistic hellscape we live in.
@Kavurcen
Жыл бұрын
Let's be real, any random fistful of white nerd men has always been this way.
@profosist
Жыл бұрын
Just so you know I just fight everyone, even myself!
@Freestyle80
Жыл бұрын
No one cares about what GN and HUB does cuz they are small, anything Linus does is painted as pure evil and malicious Be more objective people, GN isnt actually jesus and HUB is tried to grow with bad clickbaits such as 'IS THIS THE END OF INTEL??' and when that backfired they stopped. Marketing to r/pcmr is not a good idea :) LTT needs to improve their reviews but they don't need to change their content, they arent meant to be 100% serious channel.
@pkt1213
Жыл бұрын
I don't even think I finished the Billet Labs video LTT did. It was even more full of Linus's half-assed than normal. I honestly don't take LMGs reviews very seriously because of how often they do things in a half-assed way. As a result, I don't take labs number seriously either.
@pkt1213
Жыл бұрын
I think Steve was mostly right, just pissed off too. I didn't see any of the stuff from LMG as malicious, just sloppy, rushed, and disorganized.
@pkt1213
Жыл бұрын
I did think to myself, during LTTs secret shopper, that their evaluation of customer support was generous when it was finished.
@pkt1213
Жыл бұрын
I don't have an issue with Linus being an investor in framework. I think they have a great concept and hopefully more companies will adopt some similar principles.
@joemoffitt9044
Жыл бұрын
Very well stated Ian. Well done. Speaking of honest mistakes, I noticed that when discussing billet labs situation you reference the writer as being Alex( 36:35 ). The writer on the project was Adam Sondergard.
@ADeadMansSpaceSuit
Жыл бұрын
better tell GN after all they need to call someone else out to keep those views up
@davidmiller9485
Жыл бұрын
@@ADeadMansSpaceSuit with that comment we now know why your space suit didn't save you... Snark.
@ColinM9991
Жыл бұрын
@@ADeadMansSpaceSuitvery ironic that you post a comment like that on a video like this. Clearly it has gone over your head. Play 0:24:37 on repeat. Just like 1 or 2 seconds of that. That part applies to you.
@ADeadMansSpaceSuit
Жыл бұрын
@@ColinM9991 I know clearly people can't grasp a joke. I better take a week off to reflect upon my actions and improve on them.
@Real_MisterSir
Жыл бұрын
@@ADeadMansSpaceSuit "there is a bit of truth underpinning every joke". It's not the "joke" part that people don't understand. It's the basis of the joke that is just weird at best, misinformed at worst. Considering GN has great view stats, the basis of your comment is rooted in false data, undermining the joke itself and making it unfunny as a result.
@droknron
Жыл бұрын
I take criticism with your take on the short circuit unboxing of the pwnage mouse because they introduced Labs data to backup their claims about it not being smooth in that video. This means this wasn't just an unboxing, it went through some analytical testing and at least a minimum of two people and probably more, I would say this is closer to a review than an unboxing at this point. The rest of the video is sound. I do think Gamers Nexus were disingenuous in some of their claims and the mixing of opinion and facts does confuse the viewer somewhat. I think it's clear that Steve decided to make the video only once that tour happened where GN and Hardware Unboxed were unjustifiably compared to Labs as being inferior by Tim. So there was a motive here to do it and I think a lot of their points could even be applied to their own videos if you look hard enough for mistakes and if you included all of those little mistakes in one collage it would look pretty bad too. That doesn't absolve LTT of course, they're a big company now and need to put on their big boy pants, stop doing things so slap-dash and when they know something is bad, push it out to viewers anyway to maintain their video release schedule, this is something I agree with GN on, motives notwithstanding: LTT has on a number of occasions hit the "just send it" button even when there are glaring issues. You can even watch some of the Floatplane exclusives (I'm a subscriber) where they show behind the scenes on some videos and Linus will say things like, no we're not doing that it'll take too long or "we're already setup lets just continue" etc - And I'm not even talking about the Billet Labs video, I've seen this in behind the scenes vids on FP for other content twice.
@SianaGearz
Жыл бұрын
Labs failed to remove mouse foot covering as well, didn't it? Was it possibly the same mouse that first went to labs and then to the show filming? The pinned comment with a recent edit indicates that there's nothing terribly wrong with the feet or the glide feel, that it's about what you expect of PTFE. As a consumer you might not think of it at first but that tape will start coming off after a day or two of normal use and then you turn it over and find that you have loose PE tape curling up on the feet, and you pull it off. What is your reaction then: "OMG it's so horrible, the manufacturer should have marked it up more clearly, i will not recommend anybody buy this mouse based on this horrible experience". Or "Well that's a little dumb of them and me both, but pleasant surprise that the mouse is running better now". I think something to keep in mind that some products are highly subjective/personal. If this mouse has the SHAPE that you feel comfortable with and the look and materials that you like and there's nothing terribly terribly wrong with it, then it makes no sense to say that everyone should be buying a different product instead, which is an implication behind a negative review. That same thing applies to the Billet Labs cooler, there may be half a dozen people in the whole world who necessarily want a cooler that is pressed in between an 90ti and a CPU for a super compact high-power build which saves a small fraction of a litre of build volume, but if they do, there's no alternative to this product, and it doesn't have to compete with a $300 waterblock for performance, it just needs to work adequately.
@FinalSentinel
Жыл бұрын
Well put
@Ben-Rogue
Жыл бұрын
42:12 Assuming you know Steve's feelings more than he does himself, is just as bad, if not worse than any of the critiques you had of his presentation in that GN video. I've seen plenty of GN videos, Steve does smile nervously like this when presenting awkward or uncomfortable information
@akashmakkar7187
Жыл бұрын
I'm neurodivergent, and I do that all time. Even if I'm talking about death, there's constant chatter in my brain that might also be making some morbid jokes, so my expressions are often not a corroboration of the veracity of my emotions. A really horrible take!
@mysticseven6578
Жыл бұрын
“Steve occasionally interjects his own opinion before showing the facts.’ Dude, that’s your whole video. I know you were open about being hypocritical at the start but wowzers those double standards are huge.
@budluo
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Thoughtful and fair. I watched LTT Tech Tips for years but started to feel they have been stretching a bit thin lately. Presenters appeared to being stressed out, including Linus. When they produced so many videos, I could not follow up, and instead end up not watching that much. I would like to circle back to see how they respond.
@Bourikii2992
Жыл бұрын
"Why not put it on a new channel" Where no one would fucking see it lmao???
@TechTechPotato
Жыл бұрын
You don't think it'd blow up the same way lmao????
@Voyajer.
Жыл бұрын
@@TechTechPotato Who would find it? KZitem has terrible discoverability. He'd need to signal boost it via a tweet or community post but then that would invalidate the point of putting it on a new channel.
@kuhluhOG
Жыл бұрын
42:23 I disagree. This can very well be a nervous smile.
@Zero_Some
Жыл бұрын
For someone so concerned with language you certainly have no issue with false equivalencies when they fit to make your points.
@arouraios4942
Жыл бұрын
42:22 What do you mean by "it's simply not the case"? Are you saying he's not nervous, he's nervous but smiling because of another reason, or are you saying he's not a nervous smiler? Because these are all the ways I can think of to interpret those sentences. What you're saying sounds a lot like the implied allegation of malicious intent without any reasoning given. Confusing, since you argued most other points pretty well and elaborately.
@lookitsrain9552
Жыл бұрын
I agree with most of your points, but i think Linus/LMG have used their channel performance (revenue) as a defense often enough to make a good assumption that they are willing to sacrifice quality and accuracy to achieve these goals. GN's biggest issue overall is steve injecting his opinions into the piece without properly separating it out from the rest of the script. Other than the errors on the LTT channel, Short Circuit has been my biggest issue by far, is it a review channel or unboxing channel? Why are the host making statements on whether a product should be bought or not, while another video does not. In my opinion it feels like they use that channel as a way to make content on items that they think will not fit into the main channel, but want to profit from it. Its not a technical channel, but there have been some videos made on that channel that are just blatantly misleading and or safety issues. Biggest issue for me personally was the ankermake 3d printer, it felt like an advertisement for a printer that has objectively bullshit marketing (constantly boasting speed while using an inferior movement system that causes print artefacts). It's also a safety issue, as they use offbrand (clones, known for blowing up) power supplies sitting in the base with minimal airflow. Overall, they just read off the marketing, did a basic unboxing/inspection, barely used it and said it was better than expected, when objectively its not, its a terrible buy.
@lachlanokeefe8020
Жыл бұрын
For the Madison stuff- I don't think anyone should claim that she is lying, because that would be very unlikely and she'd have to be actually insane to put herself in such a position for little to no good coming to her, but I also think it is fair to not impart judgement on LTT when we have no evidence of anything at the moment.
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
Oh absolutely. I may be misinterpreting things, but to me, Dr. Cutress' statement there was less to say to pass judgement on LMG, but rather to accept Madison's allegations and support her. Something that echoes his earlier statements of things not always being black and white. In a situation like this, it's not a case of being on "Madison's side" *OR* on "LMG's side" but rather that Madison needs support, and treat LMG no differently until more information comes out. To me, supporting Madison doesn't mean I condemn LMG, nor does it mean that I'm saying they're innocent of everything. It simply means that I'm supporting Madison, and that's what, in the end, is the first priority.
@lachlanokeefe8020
Жыл бұрын
@@haxie4516 thanks for the reply- that makes a lot of sense
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
@@lachlanokeefe8020 No worries! As I said though, that's how I interpreted it, and I may be misunderstanding it, but it seems to align with the rest of Dr. Cutress' statements
@jgorres
Жыл бұрын
I may have noticed some of the issues with GN/Steve's video that you critique here, but I don't recall anything specific. What I do remember is the takeaway I had from GN/Steve's video, which was the frequency of errors pointed to a significant quality problem, and the handling of those errors raised questions about LMG's ethics, including their often stated "concern for the consumer" (their audience). The Billet Labs situation has all that, and a bag of (TechTech) Potato chips.
@am53n8
Жыл бұрын
A very good video and definitely interesting to watch. LMG undeniably has issues, but some things about Steve's video also felt off to me. Some of that definitely makes more sense to me now
@Xdgvy
Жыл бұрын
Steve, as much as I like his content, is a muckraker. He knows what sells, and giving people a target sells buckets. That doesn't mean he is wrong- far from it -but it does mean that, when all is said and done, you will be mad about the wrong things.
@nathanacreman7517
Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video and found it very accurate to the points I have tried to make on other forums, but more articulate. I do have a little contention, the assumption of allegation to be true before the facts are reviewed is also the exact same as assuming someone else's guilt before the facts come out. Therefore, it is very important to not only hear both sides of the story but to see the actual evidence before assuming anything to be true. That's not to say that she's not to be taken seriously, or that LMG or LTT should not go through the process of verifying and investigating those claims. There is a difference between being sympathetic to the victim and being a fool and creating a new victim by not doing the proper fact finding necessary.
@Bacender
Жыл бұрын
I don’t agree with your assessment that Steve should’ve contacted LMG for comment prior to publishing the video. The fact that Linus himself was playing semantics over selling/auctioning the Billet Labs block, or the fact that Linus’ forum post made it sound like LMG had paid for and settled the issue with Billet Labs despite the fact that they had not even responded to LMG’s email, or how LMG banded together, scripted and shot basically a documentary style apology video comprising the entire executive team in a matter of 24 hours is the reason why Steve didn’t reach out for comment. He specifically said that he didn’t want the situation to be twisted out of context or for LMG to be able to create a manufactured PR response downplaying his legitimate critiques of LMG.
@shanent5793
Жыл бұрын
He didn't reach out for comment because nobody sane would entertain such a request. He's probably sick of being laughed at every time he asks!
@crisp-waffle
Жыл бұрын
Halfway through the video, really happy with your take on this. Appreciate a level-headed, measured response!
@DenOfTimbsllc
Жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with you on people not necessarily believing the allegations, because in the US and Canada, every excuse party is considered innocent until proven guilty, because that’s how you stop false accusations from spreading and destroying the lives of innocent people. With that said, as someone who has been sexually harassed at work, I do believe she is telling the truth. I honestly think you should be careful with who you are calling the problem as you may just take away from her creditably in this situation.
@eubenhadd3300
Жыл бұрын
It does seem that you are holding Steve to a higher standard that Linus, presumably because of what Steve says he wants to do. At the same time I was left wondering at the end.. sure, Steve did go hyperbolic, but.. what about Linus and his flippancy?
@Mountain-Man-3000
Жыл бұрын
Linus holds the doc in such high regard, not surprised Ian's leaping to defend him. The lack of objectivity here is astounding.
@ronaldhunt7617
Жыл бұрын
Two major points, well three the third being "Who cares?" or who should care, is this something you want to join a team on? Is this going to impact anyone life other than the parties involved? This is not global warming, war, or even a presidential election it is a spat between two youtube influencers (if you detect a slight tinge of disdain you are perceptive). Whoever is right will not effect your life, are people so vapid that this is one of the biggest concerns in their lives? Does anyone watch tech news and reviews to get involved in petty drama? You had GN and LTT each giving takes, then all the top tier reviewers chimed in, followed by the lowest tier of techtubers -the ones that show clips from the other shows and sum up what other creators said. The next is that you cannot ignore history. Everyone involved has a history Steve has gone after others before whether it is a product, company, competitor or an individual, this is not even the first time Linus was the target. It is a good bet that Steve knows this will increase views and subscriptions and damage Linus. This provides motive though there is strong suggestion that the primary reason for the video was the result of Steve being butthurt, why show the clip of some LTT guy mentioning GN by name as the lead clip in the piece? Jealousy, vindictiveness, views, a savior complex may have all been at play. Linus made the big mistake of not fighting back (the warranty issue) which only served to embolden Steve. GN is not even in its own lane, they review hardware and industry news -not other reviewers or competitors and that creates its own set of ethics questions. The final point is more to your commentary than Madison, this absurd notion that the victim (if a woman or minority) is always right and can not be questioned and that even doing so makes you a POS. Every single one of us has been bullied or abused either mentally or physically. Likewise, each of us has been accused falsely or made a scapegoat. Your rhetoric might be based on differing legal systems, based on clues in the video and accent alone I infer you are from the UK where the accused must prove their innocence, in the US the state (or company/HR) must prove your guilt. When discussing something as serious as sexual assault the consequences for the accused even if entirely innocent are severe and can ruin a life. I would agree the first thing is to make sure the victim is okay first, no qualms there, The second point we would most likely agree on is the accused if guilty should be punished severely -we just disagree with everything between those two points. I do not know any of the people involved but there are red flags in Madison's story that cause me to question her side, and since she has given a side it appears to many that is all that matters, the other side is automatically to be presumed guilty. In your coverage, you do seem to do the very thing you chide Steve for using insults and appealing to feelings to shut off disagreement.
@ArdgalAlkeides
Жыл бұрын
It is pretty unfair to compare the workload of a willing founder and owner of a business, like Steve from HUB, to a random employee with zero say in what the company does, or significant stake in shares. If Steve says he works 16h per day and he loves it, that's great, good for him. If LMG employs a single person who works 16 hours per day, literally fuck LMG.
@blunderdome7165
Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, I'm tapping out. I sat through 10 minutes of you telling me why you were qualified to provide analysis of the situation and I still have yet to hear you do anything other than summarize various hot takes from Reddit or the user forums in stiff, stilted, and stumbling format that's about as interesting to watch as paint drying. There might be some nuggets of truly revelatory insights buried in this video-that-should-have-been-an-article, but I certainly don't have the stamina to uncover it.
@louieschneider8937
Жыл бұрын
Are you really analysing a smile? Is this the Behaviour Panel or a tech channel? ffs Have you reached out to Gamers Nexus, LMG, HUB or any other YT channel prior to making this video? no. rules for thee, not for me.
@cummerou1
Жыл бұрын
Crazy how a smile is enough to convict Steve of something, but Steve saying that LTT rushing out their content leads to worse accuracy is apparently terrible because it lacks data.
@louieschneider8937
Жыл бұрын
For someone well respected in the tech journalism space I am surprised at how piss poor and hypocritical most of his points are in this video.
@ChristopherWoods
Жыл бұрын
With respect, I disagree with your assertion from 42:13 that Steve is "smiling quite heavily" - it's more of a half-grimace with stressed raised eyebrows and forehead furrows, which is not how a face appears when smiling naturally. I'd suggest his is more of a slightly-pained, wistful look.
@medic-chan
Жыл бұрын
This video is truly not a dunk on anyone and comes across as an objective review on an "expose" to explain the missed conclusions and lack of evidence. 1:19:45 The endemic problems of their production pipeline are at best only exaggerated by a timeline crunch or experience. Although there are a few problems I think you missed. 11:25 I feel you missed the three prong complaint Linus had with the billet labs product. Linus offered several reasons he didn't retest the product, but the one you've missed is stated by Yvonne 13:24 he felt it was "impractical." This wasn't just due to price/performance of the block, which is why he says it doesn't matter if the performance was good, better by 20to30C, because the product doesn't work with anything other than the parts it's bolted to. There's no reverse-sandwich watercooling/radiator oriented case so there's no use case for the product outside of rigging everything yourself to a custom frame or bench, which is antithetical to the presumed purpose of the product: to neatly fit high performance watercooling in a new smaller form factor. Of course, the product is a prototype and its success can dictate a shift in the small bespoke SFFPC space for a new case, so this take may be missing the point, but it was the tertiary admitted reason for being unwilling to review it. 44:54 "One part of ethical investigative journalism is, unless it's covering an explicit crime or breaking the law, reaching out to get a formal response in advance... I'll be interested to hear the reason for the disparity." 16:41 "I'm sure here laws were broken" 16:50 "Linus responded on the forum about 3 hours 30 after Gamers Nexus posted their video" 17:13 "This was not the chain of events... no direct email exchange about returning the prototype or financial compensation had actually taken place... [before the video was published]" Are you actually interested in hearing the reason for the disparity? It seems like you provided the reason for the exception within your question of it as you literally address the illegality of the situation and what you personally think be done to correct it including the need for lawyers to draw up documentation 18:29 "to remove any liability from Linus Media Group after the money is paid." 45:30 "Reaching out to Linus Media Group wouldn't stop you from posting the video... by not doing the basic due diligence in this instance, one could, in my opinion presume that it's on the side of drama..." A respectfully made and clearly personal opinion, you have already detailed the drama that arose from misrepresented chains of events that might not have come to light if LMG had been contacted beforehand. Although as the story involved "an explicit crime or breaking the law" the line between perjuring yourself in front of your whole community and drama might not exist. Reaching out beforehand wouldn't have stopped the video from being posted, but may have changed several sequences of events which may turn out to be expressly illegal. There's a reason you listed this important exception to the general rule in the same sentence you describe it to your viewers. Or at least, I assume so, since you failed to explain why this illegal situation deserves to be the exception to your own stated exception. 51:10 "It's lab is lead by a former marketing director for ASUS, which was recently the title sponsor for LTX following, what we believe, to be a rather soft-handed handling of ASUS's board and RMA issues." -GN 1:14:40 "'An alarming amount of conflicts from Linus Tech Tips as it relates to the conflicts of interest given corporate connections, the flow of money, and the potential bias as a result.'" 1:14:54 "He presents a conclusion, 'there are conflicts' in the first part but then backtracks in the second half of the sentence by saying 'potential bias.' This is a common rhetoric... to make the person reading or listening believe something before you've provided evidence, you're already calling them 'conflicts' as a hard and fast fact but then immediately backtrack to potential bias" 1:17:30 "The value people in that job bring is experience, very rarely the connections, especially given what they used to do. Do you really think Gary as head of labs is making connections for ASUS to sponsor events... Do you really think that Tarran, as new CEO, is making inroads to Corsair...? Again, this comes across as a very pithy remark that is baseless in it's accusatory tone" Conflict of interest - n - "A situation in which a person is in a position to derive personal benefit from actions or decisions made in their official category." A conflict of interest is a potential bias. There's nothing sneaky or contradicting about such a statement, although it might be redundant. Is there a better way to say "I believe this might have lead to ethical issues?" Why would these two "non-sequitur" facts not provoke questions of ethics? Having qualifications, or the value of experience, for your job doesn't dismiss potential conflicts of interest. This is your own non-sequitur as you fail to explain why these correlations nead to be cemented as thoroughly vetted causation. Potential is the standard for conflicts of interest, not necessarily execution. "Do we really think that these executives are making use of their position to derive personal benefit?" is not the question we ask regarding conflicts of interest, but "Do we really think it's possible for these executives to make use of their position to derive personal benefit?" In this context, stating an anecdotal example of a potential bias resulting from a conflict of interest is enough to prove that the conflict of interest exists. There's nothing ethically wrong with a run on sentence connecting three correlated facts. 1) Someone used to work for a company 2) Their old company sponsored their new company 3) We believe their new company treated their old company favorably in a review. Re-watching Steve's video, he doesn't use the phrase "conflicts of interest," which is something you inserted on your own perhaps subconsciously while reading or writing the script. He definitely should have used the phrase "conflicts of interest" instead of shortening it to just "conflicts" which is the real nit-picky thing you should have honed in on, but you yourself used the terms interchangeably without noticing, so clearly it's a more forgivable mistake than you're making it out to be. I do think your meta-analysis of what was likely causing the issues, endemic problems in areas of larger scale journalism unaddressed by GN's video, is likely more correct than the conclusions drawn by GN, although you make your claims on similar groundless evidence as GN: citing your own industry experience as simply being more relevant than GN's. This is fine as an opinion piece, but not great to be stating your conclusions to be outright facts when you're accusing someone else of doing the same.
@toggtlas7099
Жыл бұрын
Just horrible takes all around here. Oh hey, small channel (TechTech) sucking up to major channel (LTT) in hope of getting their attention. Oh KZitem culture, never change.
@soulmuse6129
Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this video for finally giving voice to a series of thoughts I've had bouncing around in my head since the original GN video, but struggled to fully articulate.
@PapaVanTwee5
Жыл бұрын
I've had similar thoughts, not just on this hit piece, but every hit piece Steve has done.
@runninginthe90s75
Жыл бұрын
According to GN shills LTT is doo doo But GN is "based". While actually both of them are in the wrong. I'm glad to see someone like Dr Ian have balls to called out GN bias.
@gerbil7771
Жыл бұрын
Very well thought out and put together video. I believe the best one so far on this issue.
@xxplumplumxx
Жыл бұрын
A person confident in their own objectivity is usually the person who has blind spots on where their objectivity ends and where their personhood starts. I guess objectivity is an impossibly high horse to climb on, which is where (GN) Steve's snark comes from
@jedikv
Жыл бұрын
While there was some valid points here - you fell into the same rhetorical traps that you accuse Steve of doing. Sure you can warn about hypocrisy at 8:45, but it seems like a thin hand-wave for justifying alot of fallicies or opinions/anecdotes masked as facts that happens in the rest of the video. (Seriously, you analyzing Steve's smile?) I say this as someone who watche(d/s) both channel's content. I have no dog in this fight, but you deciding you're going to be the 'objective' authority on journalism and then ended up kinda in the same boat and what you accuse GN of has me wondering why you spent so long on this.
@sootynukkels8366
Жыл бұрын
Isn't never once allowing anyone to refer to you without the "Doctor" prefix during interviews, including yourself, sort of ego centric? This, in an honest take of the big picture, but I've never heard of anyone introducing you without the "doctor" moniker.
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
It's not required, and Dr. Cutress doesn't require people use it, people just tend to do so out of respect
@Best_Username_
Жыл бұрын
I simply can't take this video seriously when claims like 42:02 are included. You seem to be implying that Steve is smiling with joy and you show a 2 second snippet of it with zero surrounding context. Anyone reading this should seriously go back to the 6:58 mark in the original GN video and you will see that Steve is very clearly uncomfortable; even without the context that's how I interpret his expression. I don't even disagree with you about how Steve maybe shouldn't have included that section of the video (I agree on some other points as well), but what you are saying is in essence implying that Steve is reveling in this. Why would Steve be *happy* to report that his old friend's company is facing major management/organization issues? I understand that Steve probably isn't too friendly with Linus anymore, but insinuating that Steve gains some sort of cruel delight from all this is an extremely outlandish implication to make. Inserting such a bizarre character attack to the middle of video like this does nothing but tarnish your credibility.
@reallunacy
Жыл бұрын
Ive heard of Dr Cutress for years and had no idea he had a channel. In fact, until he said his name in this video I had no idea whose channel this was and fully expected to watch a few minutes then click off if I didn't find it fair. His reputation is warranted. I really appreciate his balanced response and I genuinely appreciate the call out of Steve interjecting his opinion as fact. All of these different stories all have issues on both sides.
@TonyOstrich
Жыл бұрын
Ian replying to people at 3AM his time (assuming he's in the UK). I'm not sure if I should hope he gets to bed soon, or respect the dediction. I guess it could be both.
@TechTechPotato
Жыл бұрын
I'm currently in Malaysia, so it's almost 11pm here. :)
@badiyee
Жыл бұрын
(somehow there's a 1 hour ago on the comment), so its gotta be 11AM, sir. LOL @@TechTechPotato Poor you, must be the jet lag. Get some rest and a good vacation! (and enjoy the street food). And welcome to Malaysia!
@nuadarstark
Жыл бұрын
The thing with Gary Key being presented as a mere marketer is imho the biggest indicator that GN is just going for a hit piece. It's not that fucking hard to find out that Gary DOES HAVE credentials to warrant such a job as "head of a testing facility" is. You just have to go to his socials. his past employments and you can find all of that. Steve wants to kick the LTT down while looking holier than thou but his own "journalistic work" is fucking TERRIBLE.
@Alvin853
Жыл бұрын
You asked us to point out potential issues with your statements concerning facts, interpretation of certain parts of the story or other inconsistencies 33:30 LTT main channel publishes 6 videos a week + the WAN show livestream, the livestream is not one of the 6 videos. 42:55 Steve from Hardware Unboxed talked about this in their podcast last week, the issue is that the average viewer doesn't know whether LTT or GN/HUB is wrong when they see differing benchmarks on the same product, and because LTT is bigger, surely they must be right and HUB (GN maybe too, Steve didn't address this) gets a lot of comments their benchmarks are wrong because LTT has different numbers. Does that hurt HUB/GN? In the grand scheme of things probably not, but it does affect them on some level. 45:09 comparing the LMG situation to the Newegg coverage is comparing apples to oranges. The Newegg fiasco was started by their (GNs) own bad experience and then some basic research what other customers are reporting, so what most people would call "hearsay", unconfirmed allegations or random one-off mistakes, there was no public evidence that the issues described were in fact a widespread phenomenon. In situations like that the accused entity should absolutely be consulted and their side of the story heard. For LMG all the sources were already in the public domain, GN didn't spread any rumors (well maybe a little, as you point out in other parts of the video Steve switches between fact and opinion), the "statements" had already been made by LMG by releasing the content to the public. GN might have handled the Newegg story differently if their website said somewhere "We will sell defective components as 'open box' and decline any return attempts on those", because then the facts are already out in the open and no need to ask Newegg for comment. The IPSO has this in their guidelines: "IPSO Blog: Do journalists have to contact people before they publish a story about them? [...]If the article is reporting on factual information that is already in the public domain, such as a recent court case or comments made publicly on social media, not contacting someone before the article is published is highly unlikely to be a breach of our rules.[...]" 50:20 Steve wasn't the only one suggesting LMG was biased in favor of ASUS, and while I would totally agree that this has nothing to do with Gary, the fact that Linus had to defend/excuse his "secret sponsor shopper" rating for ASUS live on stage at LTX while sitting under a big ASUS logo points to there being an issue with making positive statements about a title sponsor when other outlets view the same situations negatively. Of course we can't prove LMG is biased towards ASUS, but you also can't refute the assumption. 1:00:22 I think you're misrepresenting Steve here. He didn't say the error was because of the rushed schedule, he said the fact that the video was released with this error, even though the editor clearly knew about it, was because of the rushed schedule. You later go on to explain how much work/time goes into reshooting a part of a video, so you seem to support that reasoning. 1:16:20 Linus personally has very strong connections to Noctua as can be seen on many past videos, it is reasonable to assume Linus had some input for the partnership that lead to LTTstore releasing a Noctua branded version of their screwdriver. Of course at this point either one of us is speculating, but I find it hard to believe a Noctua branded Screwdriver came into existence without Linus being involved at all. I'm really nitpicking here because you asked us to. For the overwhelming majority of your talking points I agree with your video and this is exactly what we all need, thank you so much for spending this much time on the topic and giving us the rundown we needed.
@blueshells50
10 ай бұрын
I reject the idea that Steve had no financial incentive for doing this. He did. Clearly did. He didnt monetize his video, big deal, gaining subs and eyes on ALL his videos from this was a financial incentive...And he knows that. I have muted GN. I enjoy LTT's entertainment, it was a low blow at a group that moved into what GN perceived as their "turf"
@OfficialSamuelC
9 ай бұрын
Exactly, he absolutely did profit off this drama. He was absolutely loving the drama and seeing LMG getting hate. He can’t stand them and hates seeing Linus success so much more than him. I blocked GN on all socials. Both GN and LTT have toxic fans that hate one another, neither have a better fan base. All have some who say horrible things to one another, just like in sports and so on. But the GN response was just gross and seemed giddy about it.
@dosgos
Жыл бұрын
I remember your articles and some of your errors at AnandTech Ian. I really enjoyed reading your responses in the comments and corrections.
@nealwesco7465
8 ай бұрын
I remember all this going down and my immediate thought was "this was a really good thing to be done by the exact wrong person to do it" because as much as Steve wants to say he's a journalist he isn't. The moment he didn't reach out for any comment or anything from LMG was the moment his video went from expose to hit piece because nothing he reported on would have taken away the impact of their work. This really could have been a good moment in actual journalism and instead it became a piece of meat to throw to a frenzied audience looking for any and all reasons to hate LMG beyond "Linus is annoying"
@josir1994
Жыл бұрын
You articulated the strangeness I felt watching Steve's video very well.
@procrastinatingnerd
Жыл бұрын
This!!
@nibelungvalesti
Жыл бұрын
44:00 he's calling out LTT because LTT has widest audience reach. Misinformation from LTT has highest impact out of all tech entertainment channels. It's about being efficient. Why would he waste time bumbling and hunting down other lesser known channels?
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
Less drama views from smaller channels, mainly.
@martinenglish6641
Жыл бұрын
I thank the Gods I am retired and work part-time with my own company. I can pick my own contract jobs and walk when a person or company gets stupid. I am getting too old for tolerating stupidity.
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
That's the best way to handle things tbh, kudos to you, Martin!
@osazone
Жыл бұрын
For a video purporting to be naunced(regarding Steve - who I also disagree with some some of his points), alot of the words used by you tend to be black or white (and i dare say seemed biased) . Words like "Horrendous",obnoxious , phrases like "vehemently disagree" etc. Do not reflect the objectivity you are trying to potray. Although I have to give you credit for saying we should not trust you....
@Immortan_Bob
Жыл бұрын
@techtechpotato Addressing "some of you are fucking idiots" In matters of law, where accusations like these carry criminal penalties, skepticism is the ONLY correct position to take for EITHER side. "innocent until proven guilty" is the only morally correct assessment. If you disagree I'd refer you to your own segment title. As to you question of timing "does it fucking matter at all?" the answer is a simple Yes. Context always matters, especially when lawyers get involved.
@F7GOS
Жыл бұрын
Getting flashbacks from discussions I had with the SME when writing my Thesis 🤣 Great Video Ian and If I'm being honest, regardless of the subject matter, this video would be incredibly useful for anyone interested in scrutinising analysis. Certainly challenged me which is always appreciated!
@Herio7
Жыл бұрын
1:22:22 It's far from making mountains out of mole hills. It's gaming premium mouse advertised as smooth for it to be as rough as presented by LMG is literally dealbreaker. It's one of the most important qualities. Seems so bad that it basically invalidates everything else after all what's the point of perfect ergonomics, impeccable accuracy or top-notch software if mouse doesn't moves at all. It's bottleneck for most other features. LMG also planted a seed of distrust about whole company, customers might logically think if they lie so much about "buttery smooth" what else do they lie about/exaggerate. There will be people that watched LTT video, seen it's 'NO' and decided to not buy it because of it. It's egregious error not because it's stupid in hindsight (I haven't had that hindsight feeling from Nexus video anyway) but because of it's implications, results, response and how they dealt with the situation.
@vernam_7
Жыл бұрын
The lack of critical thinking this whole drama started was insane. So many people jump on the opportunity to shit on LMG and a lot of personnal attack directed at Linus and pointing narcisim/ego at him, while simultanously calling Steeve "Tech Jesus" was/is sureal... To continue, who is going to do a breakdown of your breakdown ?
@kathulu1
11 ай бұрын
As a regular viewer of your content found your analysis of the LMG - GN situation to be extremely hypocritical on the subject of Steve's choices and behavior. I think it does a great disservice to your regular body of work and is worthy of a retraction. Your video comes off as highly emotionally motivated and pedantic in regards to the standard you hold Steve to while being extremely generous to Linus on grounds without any merit and in light of your relationship with Linus and LMG comes off as highly inappropriate. The specific things that you posit in your video that I have issue with is the following: Steve should have started an entirely new channel before he criticized LMG to isolate his criticism to it What an absurd position to take. Does Linus create a new channel every time he does secret shopper? Did you start a new channel to critique Steve's video? Does a news organization start a new channel before they go after a major government or organization? No and saying so comes off as extremely divorced from any sort of actual grounding in how any of this works. When Steve speaks to finding it hard and not pleasurable to do this piece he showed teeth and so he clearly is enjoying himself and is not being truthful I found this particularly bizarre as awkward smiling when discussing a difficult or confusing situation is extremely common among people in the technical field and someone with your background should be able to tell the difference or know enough to abstain from judging if they cannot tell based on an edited video. You can go back through GN's video history and tell when Steve is having fun poking at a funnily bad presentation (ex. Intel's presentation that GN made fun of) versus when he is feeling awkward himself and smiles. Steve failed to contact Linus for LMG's reply before going to press...by the way I have not contacted either side for comment and input on this piece. Your explanation for this makes absolutely no sense. So Steve has to abide by a specific code of conduct upheld by some hard news outlets but you're exempt because...reasons? Everyone involved must be held to the standard that they set and not a broad one Why? We don't do that anywhere else so why is it the case here? If one student smears dirt on their paper and hands it in and they don't care and another student hands in an excellent paper with a typo but they are a perfectionist who abhors mistakes do they get the same grade? I can't think of any situation where this sort of sliding scale of standards is appropriate. Steve failed to take into account that LTT is an expanding business and such expansion can lead to mistakes Why should he? In a similar period of time Steve has also expanded GN but done so in a more cautious and methodical way. If there was anyone who could comment negatively on LMG's "Move Fast and Break Things" Tech Bro way of expanding it is someone doing it responsibly. When Steve spoke of Conflict of Interest then biases he put the cart before the horse You can have a defined conflict of interest and a differing bias and I don't see how someone with your knowledge could conflate the two on the level of a college freshman. LMG reviewing laptops while Linus holds an investment in a laptop maker is a conflict of interest, full stop. It is all in the way that such a conflict of interest is handled, as long as LMG makes it clear that is the situation to laptop makers and to the audience at every turn then it is relatively fine but LMG has been a bit fast and loose with keeping at least the audience informed of this conflict. This is different than Linus' biases and potential biases in the situation and Steve addressed them separately. For example (and strictly as a hypothetical): Linus can actually have a negative bias against Framework because as an investor he holds them to a higher standard than some random laptop maker. This is why the conflict and the bias needs to be addressed separately. All in all I'd give you a D- for the video, it is substantially beneath the regular quality of your analysis. -copy pasta from Symion on reddit
@OfficialSamuelC
9 ай бұрын
Steve was giddy with this drama and seeing Linus suffer. He took it way personally and wanted Linus to suffer. He doesn’t do that with the other huge corps, he isn’t making videos personally targeting the CEO’s of every bad company who has had serious problems and allegations. Steve just doesn’t like that Linus succeeded a lot and a lot more than he will ever reach.
@McBlazington
Жыл бұрын
In the first minute of the GN video I saw him take a statement out of context. I'm happy so someone is calling him out for his wording. Despite broadly agreeing with some of the issues mentioned it still pissed me off. I have never seen any of your other videos (but probably read some of your work without knowing it). Your analysis here feels objective and you're obviously very knowledgeable. Loved the video (all hour plus of it).
@pjsonpiano
Жыл бұрын
That was a long video. But man it was so good and well done. You summed up a lot of my feelings at this point on the whole thing. I appreciate you and your role in the industry and i hope people take the time to watch and understand this video because its really the best out there.
@earthtaurus5515
Жыл бұрын
Well said, in regards to my personal feelings about this whole thing it's all still new to me as I've been off social media for awhile lol. But yeah, this was a very well written and succiently educational video as it truly showcases no one is infallible even himself. I had alot of respect for Dr Cutress, I have even more so now especially when he said don't trust him haha. Well, I personally don't 🤪as I don't know him personally. A hallmark of a great teacher is the ability to convey - it's not what to think but how to think is what matters.
@runninginthe90s75
Жыл бұрын
According to GN shills LTT is doo doo But GN is "based". While actually both of them are in the wrong. I'm glad to see someone like Dr Ian have balls to called out GN bias.
@ShiroKage009
Жыл бұрын
Any idea where one can watch the panel where Dr. Cutress discusses the issue with sponsors?
@TechTechPotato
Жыл бұрын
It's part of the LTX exclusives on floatplane. I was planning on recording a react/explain video of the panel, before all this came about. I still plan to, although if I do it soon I know I'm going to get some backlash from all of this - I mean, more than before.
@ShiroKage009
Жыл бұрын
@@TechTechPotato you won't get that backlash from me at least. I understand that the content was part of a paid event so maybe it won't be easy to sort that part out. Man do internet fandoms suck.
@DDRWakaLaka
Жыл бұрын
@@TechTechPotatoNo matter what you do, you *will* face backlash from people who live parasocial relationships with their fave content creators.
@DDRWakaLaka
Жыл бұрын
@@ShiroKage009>"man do fandoms suck" >One Piece pfp considering you're part of one of the longest-running fandoms, I imagine you've seen some horrors
@ShiroKage009
Жыл бұрын
@@DDRWakaLaka I've been part of the anime fandom since the mid 2000s, and yes I've seen some horror stories. But nothing compares to modern fandoms now that being terminally online is a personality trait.
@DanielOlaiDanielsen
Жыл бұрын
Excellent, level-headed commentary on 'both sides' as it were. I'm happy that GN finally lit the much needed fire under L/TT/MG's collective butt and I'm hopeful that it'll be the beginning of a more better epoque for them in many ways. I'm also grateful that it proved to be the opening Madison needed to tell her story, which was ultimately more serious than anything else - even though IMO it's another symptom of the 'growing pains' of a small company becoming a big company. But I also appreciate that Steve/GN gets the feedback he does, and he/they seem to have taken it seriously as well. Win/win?
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, GN Steve's reaction was one akin to Linus' He doubled down, he refused to accept responsibility, and he shifted the blame
@norgeek
Жыл бұрын
That's.... unfortunate 😕
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
@@norgeek Yeah ;(
@AnoNym-zi5ty
Жыл бұрын
@@haxie4516where did he react?
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
@@AnoNym-zi5ty The video he posted, and the "policies" they put out. The policies were essentially "we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong, also here are some policies that we wrote, they seem to be written around excusing our past mistakes, rather than being written as real guidelines, and you'll have to believe us that they existed months ago"
@lennartmook9182
Жыл бұрын
@50:00 "...your pacing and wording will be interpreted in advance..." that´s pandering / frameing and i dont see how its even related to neutarl fact based journalism?
@Lionotus
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Dr. Cutress, it was well constructed and addressed things quite level headedly. I have one or 2 points of contention, but otherwise completely agree with the whole situation. At 1:28:00 i think Steves point was quite obvious and clear that many tech channels tip-toe around Linus' videos because of the rabbid fanboys who, as you stated earlier are known to even send death threats. If you're a smaller tech channel the pressure is on to even get views, as most of them will be going Linus' way, and if your conclusion happens to conflict with LTT's video, you get slammed. This isn't Linus' fault however, its just what happens when you get that big. I've been subscribed to you, and other in depth tech channels including GN, when they hadn't even broken past 60k subs. Over the past year or 2 i've noticed fanboy wars occur with GN, HUB and others' comment sections now that they've apparently gone over some threshold that seemingly attracts idiots. You mentioned earlier (apologies i've lost the timestamp) that view count should be an indicator and reflected on LTT's videos if the content is bad/wrong. I would argue that because they are at such a huge mainstream scale, the masses of people who watch them in addition to those fanboys are going to agree with it regardless. This does actually spread misinformation, due to the viewer's' unwillingness to cross check themselves. I've had arguments in a few comment sections myself, where the other person initially comes in with something along the lines of "Linus' video states X, this video is wrong". Anyway, thanks again for the video, and for taking the time to read this comment if you did.
@Oaisus
Жыл бұрын
Why is there never any mention of linus' original justification on why they didn't retest the cooler with a 3090? Who is going to buy an ultra premium cooler and not use the latest and greatest hardware? Since it doesn't make any sense to pair it with a 3090, why would they test it with one.
@turdferguson2223
Жыл бұрын
It was made specifically for the 3090 you numbskull. They knowingly installed it on the wrong card and surprise surprise, it didn't fit properly. And it was a prototype, if there proved to be a market for it, they would likely make coolers for other top end cards as well. Regardless, the whole point should have been to see if it did 20% extra cooling like Billet claimed, which would have been interesting. But, instead, Lienus shit the bed.
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
@@turdferguson2223 If you weren't being childish with calling him "Lienus", I'd agree with you entirely.
@BillyLapTop
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your POV on how the sausage is made. I have watched your entire video, plus the videos of Gamers Nexus and LTT/LMG's response videos. My take on the whole thing is Steve from Gamers Nexus showed there is smoke over at LTT/LMG and their response so far is proof that there was a fire going on, as witnessed by the halt in production and hopefully the hiring of a non biased hand picked third party to investigate the bullying allegations. That is the bottom line.
@lemonbone
Жыл бұрын
I feel like LMG is currently like a beta version/incomplete of a modern AAA video game, LMG is launched with all kind of bugs and Linus is probably planing to patching LMG in foreseeable future. And we the players that are experiencing all the bad and good of this game. Some of us are way too emotionally invested in this game and Steve aka Tech Jesus published the most viewed, the most influential review that criticize LMG.
@theguy8412
Жыл бұрын
As GN has replied to this video, they did not contact them beforehand.
@thomaspvh
Жыл бұрын
the smile analysis bit felt very strange.
@Voyajer.
Жыл бұрын
Same
@croakingembryo
Жыл бұрын
Gamers Nexus didn't get a comment from Newegg or principle technologies before posting their video. That's not the only error in this video. You seem to have missed much of what Steve said in his videos cause some of your statements directly contradict what he said.
@NathanialSCoughtry
Жыл бұрын
Sure, but that would go against this guys' bias. Notice he comments on every comment that agrees with him and avoids comments like yours with citations on inaccurate claims he made.
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanialSCoughtry Well, it would be if it wasn't for the fact that this comment is wrong.
@NathanialSCoughtry
Жыл бұрын
@@haxie4516 You've left over a hundred comments dude. Go outside
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
@@NathanialSCoughtry I'm a fan of the channel. Am I not allowed to have commented on a channel I like?
@Voyajer.
Жыл бұрын
@@haxie4516 Calm down Ian
@TheCompyshop
Жыл бұрын
I never thought I would watch an hour and a half long video of a man speaking into a camera, but here we are. Fantastic stuff. While watching the Gamer’s Nexus video originally I knew the LMG claims were bad, but something about Steve’s demeanor, and presentation style was really rubbing me the wrong way. But I couldn’t put it into words. This really helped open my eyes and validate some of those feelings! I hope everyone learns from this and comes out the other side better for it. I would hate to see anyone of these channels leave KZitem. But I really want to see LMG fix these issues and be transparent about it
@steelin666
Жыл бұрын
30:39 Sorry, but saying Steve didn't truly want to avoid gaining from the drama because he didn't use a separate channel to release the video is just silly and completely missing the point. If Steve thought the issues he brought to light should be brought to light, of course he needed to use all the platform he has to do that. Doing otherwise would've hurt the very goal of that video. He avoided gaining from the drama as much as it was possible without hurting the actual cause, and that's all that should be expected from him in this situation. Your judgement here really indicates towards a serious bias and prejudice against Steve's intentions.
@TechTechPotato
Жыл бұрын
Actually, you missed the point here. It's an exercise in Reductio ad absurdum. We follow Steve's own line of logic to its absurdist end to emphasise the fact that the point he's trying to make isn't actually having the effect he thinks it does. It's a common oratory technique you'll see taught in public speaking and debating.
@croakingembryo
Жыл бұрын
@@TechTechPotato Using reductio ad absurdum to try make some kind of a twisted point in a video about ethics is pretty absurd indeed. They absolutely made the best possible choice by demonetizing the video while keeping it on their main channel.
@steelin666
Жыл бұрын
@@TechTechPotato Three problems then. First, you don't sound like you're pointing out a flaw in his reasoning. You sound like you're judging his exculpation effort as insufficient. If you really wanted to just do the former, you should've emphasized that a lot more. Coming back to me with "ackchyually, you're the one who missed the point", and then schooling me on oratory excercises, when you conveyed it so poorly, is pretty condescending and uncalled for. Second, for your supposed rhetorical excercise to hold any water, you need to assume that Steve was indeed trying to convey avoiding _any_ profit from the drama, while it's perfectly reasonable to assume that he was, as I mentioned, only limiting it to the degree that was possible without hurting the video's actual goal. In fact, GN didn't mention at all _why_ the video is demonetized, so the entire excercise is based on an assumption that he actually had that specific goal in mind that validates your ad absurdum. You don't follow "Steve's own logic", because he didn't present the logic behind demonetizing the video at all, so, since we're schooling each other in rhetorics, your ad absurdum is pretty much a strawman. And third, while pointing out Steve's dubious actions/motives in a video like that would be understandable, as the caliber of his criticisms and the consequences involved warrant such scrutiny, nitpicking on minor flaws in reasoning seems extremely petty in comparison. So petty, that I have a very hard time believing that this was your actual intention, given how the nit being picked is around a much more sensitive topic that is Steve's possible profiting from the drama, and you don't make it clear at all that you're not actually judging his efforts to avoid profits as insufficient, and making a viewer question his motives based on that. This is either very clumsy, or very manipulative.
@deanoaks7690
Жыл бұрын
Yikes. In an attempt to be unbiased and critical, you used a philosophical exercise without explicitly saying you were doing so? @@TechTechPotato
@theunknownsamurai7426
Жыл бұрын
As for Gamers Nexus. I can't help but Wonder, that his attack on LMG happened to coincide with a $250,000 lab upgrade, coincidental or opportunity Hmmmm🤔🤔🤔.
@Man-of-Steel674
Жыл бұрын
Does he have serpent past like that? From the videos I have seen from him he is much more competent reviewer than Linus is.
@Ranger.TomGunna
Жыл бұрын
My main thought when I first watched the GN video was their needs to be change at LMG and Steve has a serious thorn up his ass for Linus ever since he announed LTT labs.. if Labs were a sucess then that would seriously put harm in Steves content since he is very data driven as well.. I remember when Labs was first announced, I thought to myself that Steve isnt going to like this.. He should be worried too because I dont go to Steves channel to recieve the data in a fun or entertaining way.. If LTT Labs could put out that data but give us LTT quality while doing it then Gamers Nexus could be in trouble. Gamers Nexus is one of the most boring tech channels I have ever watched but I am data driven so I overlooked that but the general audience isnt.. thats why Steve feels threatened by Labs
@eovoos
Жыл бұрын
Whatever was happening at LMG was in plain view of all these experts but GN was the only one to point it out... so he gets the first mover advantage
@BlackJesus8463
Жыл бұрын
meh
@mina86
Жыл бұрын
IMO pointing out that writer, reviewer, host or whoever might not be technical or might not know is immaterial. As I’m viewing the content, I don’t care who knows what in the organisation. While I agree that some of GN’s points are red herrings, I disagree that details of how videos are made matter. Steve was correct to criticise all the errors. The point is that LGM as a whole has bad quality assurance. By the way, I find it curious that you criticise Steve for stating opinions but then criticise him for smiling? It sounds to me like you’re manipulating the audience.
@jaimeduncan6167
9 күн бұрын
If anyone at any moment needed a mirror before publishing a video this was person and this was the moment. The fact that he doubles down on the issue of "telling people what to think" when his video is worse and calls people that not agree with him idiots is amazing. Not only that but he presents opinions as facts, he does far more. I am not a fan of Gamers Nexus. I am not a gamer and I often disagree with him, so I seldom see him, so I don't have a dog in the fight, I am just stonished.
@locarnus255
Жыл бұрын
21:28 Presenting the conclusion that this part of his 1:34:55 video is the most important, long before talking about all the other parts of his video... 35:35 Critizing Steve for presenting a conclusion before establishing all his arguments...
@jauffins
Жыл бұрын
Glad to see this - long-time fan of LMG, GN and your work, but something about the GN video struck me the wrong way. It just didn't seem like it was made in good faith. It felt vindictive.
@rogue1gaming99
Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but saying we shouldn’t ask to hear both sides before we believe her bc it like being attacked by a lion is a gross mischaracterization of the situation. You can see the lion attacking the person, this is more like somebody telling you 6 months later they were attacked by a lion when there is no evidence up to that point that anything even happened. Dude has a lot of valid criticisms of both but that was just something he should’ve left out as he clearly doesn’t have a solid perspective of that.
@geertvandrunen1129
Жыл бұрын
I'm just going to respond whenever I feel I need to. At 30:25 you mention that if GN did not want to profit in any way, they should've put this on a new channel. But exposure would be the primary intent, because they think it's important for their existing audience to know about what they perceive to be problems with LMG that might lead to destroying small companies in the worst case, and misleading their viewers in the best case. Demonitizing the video I think is actually going beyond the call of duty. Just because the audience might perceive them to be doing it for monetary gain shouldn't confirm that they ARE doing it for monetary/publicity purposes. The relevant question would be if you trust GN to handle this ethically whether they monetize their video or not, which for the record, I do. Not to mention the risk of getting a large audience on their bad side, which would actually be catastrophic for GN as a company.
@TheKingGandy
Жыл бұрын
This is very much needed, I'm glad you have taken the time to make a commentry to this whole story. Steve isn't wrong with all this and he has some very valid points, I hope he doesn't take this as an attack, but takes this as constructive critisim and builds from there. We all need creators to keep each other honest to earn and keep the trust of the audience and Gamers Nexus shouldn't be immune from that.
@redlimes4808
Жыл бұрын
"Details and order matter" and "I'm going to be anal about this" but also "you guys are stupid for wanting more information about the Madison situation". Yep, you were right when you said you were going to be hypocritical
@theBoomerDoomer
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Cutress, thank you for this exhaustive talk through the intricacies of the situation at LMG and that of the drama that GN has created from their video. I appreciate your honesty and objectiveness here. Clearly, both LMG and GN have exhibited failings through the content and responses... I can only hope that both groups can learn from this moment and grow from it.
@gelfie2208
Жыл бұрын
My take on Ian's take. And baring in mind Ian is a smart dude and I'm just some schmoe on the internet. So GN has a go at LMG because GN believes their own standards of testing to be high, and LMG's to be low, which is a problem as LMG position themselves in that space. However, although GN's are high, they do not necessarily meet any industry standard. Now Ian, as a former professional investigative journalist is pointing out flaws in the way GN went about producing this piece. GN, is new to the journalism space, and trying to expand there. LMG making missteps in tech reviews. GN making missteps in journalistic process. Problems that need addressing on both sides. But problems that are to be expected as a company grows and/or expands into a new area of "Expertise".
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
My take on your take on Ian's take. Yeah, seems about right, spot on!
@Chairman_Wang
Жыл бұрын
I heavily disagree with your piece about what happened to Madison. She is no longer at LMG so how is she unsafe? The analogy of a lion is incredulously disingenuous. I have no reason not to believe her. However I have no reason to believe her either. Brits are insane. Are we not suppose to believe innocence until proven guilty? I’ll reserve judgement until the report comes out and make a decision then, not a reflexive knee jerk. The way Ian describes this and curses for no reason, he probably supported Amber Heard too. Utterly morally bankrupt and lacking basic principals of decency.
@Nick-123
Жыл бұрын
The comparison with Amber Heard is very good.
@Validifyed
Жыл бұрын
Innocence before guilt and treating victims with compassion do not need to be mutually exclusive. Assume innocence of *all parties*, which includes not accusing the accuser of making it all up, then investigate to determine the facts.
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
@@Nick-123 It's actually not a great example tbh. Johnny Depp is still a piece of shit, it just so happens that Amber Heard is even worse.
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
@@Validifyed Thank you! Exactly this!
@Chairman_Wang
Жыл бұрын
@@Validifyed if this was directed at me, I cannot understand how waiting for more info before making a decision is seen as not compassionate. She is not unsafe and if she is unwell I am all for her getting help. Your second point is smooth brained and reveals that you are likely also from the UK where somehow libel laws require the defendant prove they are not guilty. In most civilized places, the burden of proof is on the accuser. When we assume innocence it is on the accused not the accuser as that doesn’t even make any sense. The accuser is putting forth a claim that the accused is to be judged on. You cannot assume innocence of all parties. It is up to Madison to convince us that what she claims happened did happen. I am glad that LMG is stating they are doing a objective investigation but I will wait. You are free to make your own conclusions, however brain dead. Just don’t expect others to follow.
@thestrykernet
Жыл бұрын
Very long time reader and having enjoyed your opinion over the years I was looking forward to your take. As someone who is what I'd consider the only journalist in the techtube space (well PC World has some amazing folks, but I'm sure word from on high is keeping their mouths shut) your approach is needed. I really appreciate your take and it is informative. Steve's piece was clearly coming from an emotional standpoint (note he was the only person credited in the making of the video) he's still largely right. I do agree with you that the accuracy problems over at LMG are likely process related more so than anything else. I had high hopes when they announced Gary was head of labs as I knew his work from AnandTech, but it seems like his impact on process isn't there yet. I'm not writing off LMG yet, but until there's clear changes I won't consider their content either. I do disagree with you on some of the asterisks bit. I don't see any problem with resolving a missed spec or spoken word, but when you vocalize a conclusion based on misinformation that crosses the line for me. The only place I very much disagree with you is on standards. LMG came out and proclaimed labs was going to redefine the tech review space based on accuracy. When someone makes such a proclamation that's what they should be judged on, not what got them to where they are.
@thelegendaryklobb2879
Жыл бұрын
Agree on the last point, and that's the biggest issue with LMG. In the last months they drastically shifted their focus and have been selling themselves as the new and revolutionary PC hardware testing channel that would bring the most accurate results, and boasting about all the expensive top-of-the-line testing hardware they spent millions on to build the Labs. And now that they have such capacity, Linus himself shamelessly proclaims ON CAMERA that he wouldn't spend $500 to correct a gross series of mistakes in the testing of a GPU waterblock, so gross that the whole comment section on that video roasted him in unison for the improper methodology and conclusions (and I'm talking about the comments on the day of publication, not the newer post GN video)
@0008loser
Жыл бұрын
As far as I'm aware labs hasn't fully launched
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Tbf... They didn't set out to test it's performance. So spending an additional $500 on tests that were completely irrelevant to what his issues were with it... It was a waste. He absolutely did this wrong, but he wasn't exactly wrong.. The issues he raised about it were true, and his conclusion based on that was also true. He just failed to consider that this was more of a "HOLY $H!T" video. People likely aren't gonna buy it. Makes sense, it's a Halo product, and if you're buying that without already knowing what you're going to do with it, you've got more money than sense. Was Linus wrong to come to that conclusion without think about it from other angles? Yeah. Could he have made a positive video about it? Easily. Does that mean that people should be outraged over not spending additional money on an irrelevant test? No. No it doesn't.
@thelegendaryklobb2879
Жыл бұрын
@@0008loser There's no such thing as "fully launched", like Ian discusses in this video. It's a never ending process of constant revision and refinement of the methodology, even for automated testing. LMG Labs has been testing and producing results for the LTT reviews, so it has definitely launched and cannot hide behind that "fully" excuse.
@paulbrooks4395
Жыл бұрын
There is plenty of validity here, but as you say, Steve is prone to speak about things out of order. His conversation style is somewhat disorganized and it often requires parsing his sentiments and attempting to fill in the blanks with speculation. I tend to focus on potential meanings and not conclusions as, without talking to the people involved at length, I can’t directly or completely understand what they are trying to say. This is the problem of nuance and the complexity of language itself and meaning as defined by individuals. It is also one of the primary issues we face in communication: the the difficulty in understanding things as other people understand them. For example: some people say “don’t take this as drama” to ask that people don’t dismiss their sentiments out of hand, while others may use it as a manipulative tactic. What is meant, I can’t be sure of, so what I do is say: “I don’t know enough to agree or disagree, and I probably never will”. This is endemically the outsider’s perspective: we often lack sufficient information to draw conclusions or properly critique people. This is the attitude that should be taken with any claim regardless of the circumstances, that until I have enough information and understanding to fail to disprove the subject, I have to remain undecided. I must reiterate that this is the perspective of an outsider and one who likely will never know enough to draw valid conclusions. So while I can say: people seem to have made mistakes and there appear to be issues, I have to know more before lambasting people or offering corrective direction. Or said another way: the less I know the less useful my contributions and opinions may be.
@robert3892
Жыл бұрын
Micro-analyzing the GN video misses the most important aspect of this discussion. LTT made very bad errors in reviews and product decisions. GN was the only KZitem reviewer who made the decision to bring these issues to light with the consumer. That was very courageous and risky. Hopefully, LTT will learn from the mistakes that were made and finally begin to produce quality reviews.
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
You seem to have missed the point of the video. Dr. Cutress is not saying that LTT didn't make errors, but given all of the points already raised, him doing a segment on all the parts that LTT did wrong wouldn't add anything to the conversation, it'd just make this video twice as long. This video was highlighting the issues in the way the situation was handled as a whole.
@robert3892
Жыл бұрын
@@haxie4516 What should have happened is that TechTechPotato should have mentioned that no other journalist had brought out the LTT failures. Obviously, he didn't like the way GN said some of the things they did on that video. At least they had the guts to say what needed to be said.
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
@@robert3892 What? You completely missed the point of the video.
@robert3892
Жыл бұрын
@@haxie4516 So someone comes along to address the issues and then someone has to micro-analyze everything that was said.
@haxie4516
Жыл бұрын
@@robert3892 You're saying that Ian *has* to acknowledge that GN did do good in highlighting the issues? Firstly, that's ridiculous, secondly, HE DID.
@yannick7049
Жыл бұрын
Something that I found "confusing" about the GN video was how he berated them for the mouse unboxing and Billet video for not contacting the manufacturer to clear things out, but then also berating LMG for contacting AMD when their data didn't match AMDs claims (despite the fact that it was then figured out that LMG had a faulty CPU). Or how he says that LMG publishes obvious incorrect data like that graph that was 300% off but then flips this logic again and says that they "[shouldn't care about having wildly different data than other outlets]" over that same AMD CPU incident and says they should have just published the video, despite the fact that LMG was (rightfully) concerned that the data was incorrect.
@demos113
Жыл бұрын
You need to work on your ability to understand facial expressions, with special emphasis on the subtleties of smiling. The vid was a bit of a mess tbh.
@CRNomad
Жыл бұрын
Some fair points. In my opinion, even though not perfect, GN's video was necessary and a net positive overall.
@Raigekon
Жыл бұрын
Was new positive, but could have been handled better. Imo it was too much off a attack, which in turn turned ppl against them as well. What i'm saying is that the info could have been presented in a way that would not evoke a emotional response.
@Akkbar21
Жыл бұрын
Steve let’s his anger guide him too often. I think that’s a fair critique.
@boodramrav
Жыл бұрын
Ian, this is an evenhanded critical analysis of this situation. Your use of linguistics is particularly useful. Well done.
@karehaqt
Жыл бұрын
I'd hate to see your social media comments after this, because both communities are full of people with extreme views. Actually the tech space has many communities like that unfortunately. With regards to the Framework stuff I do believe Linus should recuse himself from all laptop related reviews.
@eldukedrino
Жыл бұрын
TwitterNexus should shave his head as an apology
@rydralle2460
Жыл бұрын
The only issue i have with this is saying that Steve have to post his video on a new channel just to prove his point of not monetizing it, that's just nitpicking I think. Regardless of Steve's intention, you would not find anyone posting a video to a different/new channel if you want it to reach the most people.
@AeroElectro
Жыл бұрын
Your comments on error correction in written media makes me scared to rely on written reviews. We should expect higher standards of videos, not lower. I can now never trust that written content won't just be changed silently. There should be "updates" at the top. There needs to be accountability, and a permanent record so readers can see how many articles were changed after the fact.
@akashmakkar7187
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! His defense is hingeing on that they're too big to really maintain good quality and correct errors properly, and that he also made errors all the time. Then, my sweet doctor, aren't channels like Gamer's Nexus and HUB and others doing the customers a great service by giving us so much testing data with only rare errors slipping by their much smaller teams? If anything, it's a clear sign for the audience, avoid LTT Labs for any kind of reliability in data. However, the problem with LTT publishing incorrect data and then smaller channels getting hounded by LTT fans is a real problem. Dr. Ian is flying too high to realise that on social media getting hounded by fans is super real, and as others have mentioned, it has happened to GN on their discord too.
@davidcadley1513
Жыл бұрын
Respectfully, your comment is a great example of the nonsense on stilts that GNs attitude fosters. When you read a written review pertaining to a potential purchase, the thing that is relevant to your decision making is whether or not the text of the review *as you read it* is accurate. Whether the text has been amended zero or a hundred times before that reading has no bearing on your subsequent actions. Transparency in media is always a good thing, but the reliability of the review is only contingent upon documented updates if you start from the premise that it is the deemed moral status of the reviewer that should determine your choices, rather than the accuracy of the review itself.
@akashmakkar7187
Жыл бұрын
@@davidcadley1513 the problem is not corrections, the problem is that we might be getting incorrect data when the peak viewership occurs, at launch. So many people are getting incorrect data for purchase decisions if errors creeping through is so common.
@AeroElectro
Жыл бұрын
@@davidcadley1513 Learn about the process of scientific publishing or software coding. And then tell me why it's okay that a journalist or reviewer can make silent edits without an erata sheet or versioning.
@danchan5620
Жыл бұрын
search for asus vsoc bing information, you see that the kind of "accruacy" steve and his tribe prides himself on, did not applied to him in this instance of another hotly created series of video. In short, he got it totally wrong with Asus vsoc values in AM5 boards, he got it totally wrong to insinuate that Asus had gone outside specs with vsoc values, he did not do research as to who set the peak vsoc at 1.4v (hint: it was Amd!), the kind of half baked investigative journalism that Dr Ian has seen enough to produce this excellent analysis video. The kind of self professed "investigative" bit but errors are still let in. You do realise during the Asus burning Am5 boards series, Steve also aggressively promoting his channels, his anniversary merchs, his new sub-channels? The kind of conflict of interest no one dared to call him out on, but veterans like Dr Ian coming in to put in perspectives@@davidcadley1513
@RooseveltTheDog
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely great criticism. Touched on a lot of the issues I had with how GN delivered their video. The basis of GN's concerns were valid, but delivery of which was very flawed.
@soapa4279
Жыл бұрын
Rare breed you are. I had the same opinion as you, and I was lynched by the GN mob for even remotely suggesting their "tech" Jesus is not 1000% innocent, almighty, and perfect in his delivery.
@jwjoelwilder
Жыл бұрын
Drama flies are identified by having double the color and shine of the common shit fly.
@nico96gmail
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for being the first after GN adding constructive information to the conversation and not just regurgitating the information already out there. About LMG I am not so bothered about their closeness to sponsorship or they on screen corrections, although I hear videos often. What bothers me since beginning of this year where the errors that affected the conclusion of videos, conclusions sometimes very hard and opinionated caused by bad tests at the moment I thought it was biased on purpose mainly with apple products . And those where the ones I knew where wrong. After seeing GNs take there are other categories of errors I never knew where wrong and that makes me a bit angry about LMG but highlights that the errors where systemic and not on purpose. I had been commenting on their errors for a while and nothing improved, and Linus had been very defensive in the WAN show always blaming others and saying he wouldn’t surround himself with yes men. But apparently he doesn’t get enough reality checks.
@dryphtyr
Жыл бұрын
As someone who has read many of your articles over the years, I think you're getting pretty good at these short format videos 😁
@internaltext
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This definitely could've been a Tiktok :)
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And there I was, beeing proud of my self, watching this video from start to end in one run, and as the first and only screen! 😂 Brain damage from Shorts/Tiktok and for me more the pause button on everything, really does things.
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