The mastermind here is Namjoon. He convinced Big Hit to get Hobi back when he left, because he knew they needed him. Jungkook joined because of him. Namjoon made the members listen to all types of music, and now Hybe makes their trainees do exactly that. And there are so many other examples in which Joon's input was crucial. Their success is the combination of the seven's blood, sweat, and tears, the love BTS has for ARMY and the love ARMY has for BTS, the freedom BigHit gave them to put in their music the messages they wanted to convey. And let's not forget the love the seven of them have for music. They really, really love their art, it's even their love language (see how, when they want to compliment each other, they compliment each other's music 💜). Each one of them is special and has their own charms, and their unique, irreplaceable role in the group, I could write a thesis on this. But all of this was possible thanks to Joon. He's the mastermind.
@chihuang422
2 сағат бұрын
Thank God that Namjoon's dad convinced him to return to BigHit after Namjoon wanted to leave. His dad didn't want him to regret on giving up his dream. Namjoon had a great support system when it was hard to continue. Behind a great man/leader, there is great support.
@HailToTheMeep
3 сағат бұрын
The answer is our president and leader Kim Namjoon.
@HailToTheMeep
2 сағат бұрын
In all seriousness, I think it is the synergy between the members, AND the RAP LINE. Song writer, poet, producer. Looking at RM’s solo projects, RM isn’t only a curator of art, he is also a curator of artists. Of talents.
@mora5146
2 сағат бұрын
Yes, I think it would be impossible for BTS to become BTS without one of the members 💜
@HailToTheMeep
2 сағат бұрын
@@mora5146The members ARE BTS 💜 This is why dividing the members is destroying BTS.
@eileencritchley4630
2 сағат бұрын
@@HailToTheMeep but BTS aren't dividing they are learning new things as artists that will useful for the group. They'll be back together before we know it. Every artist needs to keep growing be fresh in order to do that they need time to try thing's on their own as well as with the group.
@guillerminahaydeedelanoeur7997
2 сағат бұрын
👏👏👏👏🙏
@HailToTheMeep
2 сағат бұрын
BTS is a perfect storm. A lightening in a bottle. A timely combination of talents, management who trusts and respects their artists and their talents, and a fandom who believes in their music. This can’t be a top down process. It has to be a bottom up process. But to combine talent with money, the company has to focus on the numbers, and this is when the tension between art and money occurs. The numbers require a fast turn over. The art requires time.
@nehalilisays
2 сағат бұрын
I had a friend who looooved to emphasize what a "genius" Bang PD is for creating BTS and compared him to Steve Jobs... I really hate it when the members are viewed as some kind of amazingly marketed puppets. You cannot artificially create magic, you can only give it a chance to happen naturally.
@eileencritchley4630
Сағат бұрын
I hate it as well and as Bang himself said he can't make 'another' when someone asked him that question, in other words he was telling them there can be no new BTS. He's never called him the 'Genius the made BTS or the Genius behind BTS' he's alway said it was BTS themselves. That's why I find it doubling insulting and disrespectful when 'others' eg people in the music industry, so called music journalist put words into his mouth. It's dis respectful to BTS, it's dis respectful to Bang PD. Bang is like RM talent and and genius in that he see's things in the Kpop Industry as a whole that other either just don't see the issues and problems with the Kpop industry. It's still a niche' market on the global stage it's in it's infancy but the Kpop Industry like to see themselves as big fish in their small Asian centred mark rather than smaller fish in the Global market.
@BoraBaeOT7
Сағат бұрын
I don’t think his genius was in creating the group. It was in having his ego in check enough to listen to the boys on key choices and admitting that he isn’t always right. There’s so many enormous egos in the music industry, he’s just a fascinating study because he really does seem to want to foster artists not products. Hybe brings in existing labels that already have their own cultures. Hybe isn’t a label, it’s a corporation organizing labels. However, when you look at the groups that he actually has a hand in creating, he really does seem to want to give them space to be artists first.
@laiamchronicles
2 сағат бұрын
Basically, bts worked since RM as the leader had a vision and the members saw that vision and future he showed them that's why they all persevered and hoped. Their sincerity to their art and the people around them resulted to supporting people and not just fans all over the world. RM also knows how to see trends before they even start, that's why a lot of trends started with BTS. That's a talent that you can't really replicate.
@LizbethOT7
2 сағат бұрын
And yet, he shared their success with ARMY (50%), Big Hit (15%), and 5% for each member! What a leader!
@MargaretSpillane-yl3pj
2 сағат бұрын
I’m not sure I understand what you mean. BSH is the biggest shareholder in Hybe with 31.57% and the members themselves have a tiny share in comparison - about 0.16% each or 1.15% together as a group based on June24 figures. That doesn’t seem to reflect what BTS contributed to the establishment of Hybe…
@adrianamora7904
2 сағат бұрын
@@MargaretSpillane-yl3pjRM said that BTS success if put in % is like that, and he always remembers that to himself to stay humble. Of course we as aemy thing BTS deserve more, but that were his words.
@elizabethmunguia3876
2 сағат бұрын
@@MargaretSpillane-yl3pj I think you didnt understand, then... OP wasn't talking about shares of the company, they were refering to that one video (im not too sure from where that clip was or from what), where Rm mentions how much percentage/credit he gives to all the people involved in their careers. Its a subjective statement, not something backed by real numbers 😅
@NiAgaraPhoPho2025
2 сағат бұрын
@@MargaretSpillane-yl3pjsorry but OP ain't talking about HYBE shares, they r talking about a press conference BTS did, and a journalist asked namjoon about their success or something like that I forgot what the question was, and namjoon answered like what OP commented
@ajlee2168
Сағат бұрын
@@MargaretSpillane-yl3pj rm was making a hypothetical example, he said if they receive an award, half of the reason they got it (/ success in general) is army, and the rest is split between company (15%) and members (5% each). he reminds himself that his contribution is "only" 5%, to stay humble and not get lost in all the stardom, and reiterating the point that in the end its all thanks to teamwork, not to a single person's genius.
@maliam_
2 сағат бұрын
The reason why BTS are the BTS they are today is BTS
@maryv2389
2 сағат бұрын
To me the mastermind behind BTS is actually the 7 men of BTS because they are the ones that went through the trenches together and said Teamwork makes the Dream work. They are the ones that had to pull together when hurt, sick or exhausted because they knew that they needed to have no regrets at the end of the day. Yes they had help but no one has been able to create that once in a lifetime magic like BTS. Last group to do that was the Beatles in the 1960's so before my lifetime.
@6chex
Сағат бұрын
Ah, the Beatles. They had vision, yes they were all very talented but they came up with unique music on many levels. Things that no one had done before! Their songs stand the test of time and are still being listened to by multiple generations. BTS are unique and ,at least in part, it is their uniqueness that has taken them to another level. Some of their songs are unique and distinct to what has been available in the East. A lot of KPop songs are derivative, slightly different copies of what others have already done. The growth and size of their fandom help take them around the world. But I do suspect that RM’s leadership and all of their decisions to totally support one another has all played a significant role in their ability to endure and grow. Bang Si hyuk’s vision to see how Americans reacted to them from their first US experience and he kept things growing internationally. Their sucess is a unique combination of multiple factors that can not be duplicated….at least not in the same way.
@legendzbts
2 сағат бұрын
no one can replicate bts success not even hybe.
@eileencritchley4630
Сағат бұрын
Correct and Bang PD has said so on many occassions and he's never once claimed to the the mastermind behind BTS he's always says it's the members.
@roguechevelle
48 минут бұрын
@@eileencritchley4630 Exactly. It's reporters or others putting that label on him when he himself would never call himself that
@Classical-Fairy
3 сағат бұрын
I hate when people act like these people are the reason of BTS ' success. I know that they (the " masterminds ") are the one who "collected" BTS ' members and discovered their talents , but ABSOLUTLY BTS are their own reason of their whole carrier. they made their songs they trained they dances they rapped they sang they worked hardly they faced all the h@te and crtsm ALONE! if the agency make any mistakes they blame BTS , anything wrong with kpop they blaim BTS . these seven legends paved the way for themselves and others u cannot say no to these facts. (it's like u collect the pokemons and then say that u just created them )
@Sherluck93
2 сағат бұрын
Please forgive me... 🙏 They have their stickers on their carriers! 💜
@FB18Ben
2 сағат бұрын
Sorry, but "they made their songs"? They for sure had their involvement in them (some more than others), but ARMYs are always portraying BTS's music as 100% member-produced which it just factually isn't.
@user-lt3fh1dq3y
2 сағат бұрын
BTS 뒤에서 돕는 기획제작자들도 BTS를 스스로 생각하고 성장하는 데 많은 도움을 주었다. BTS는 늘 프로듀싱&제작진들을 자신의 한부분으로 인정해왔음을 알엠의 말로 알 수 있다. 단지 그들이 BTS를 만든 절대적 전제조건이 아닐뿐! BTS는 스스로 성장했고 그들은 기회를 제공했다. (요즘 특히 SM방식의 공장형 인형돌을 만드는 제작자들은 아이돌의 위에서 그들을 조정한다. 예: 민희진의 뉴진스/이또한 민희잔만의 힘은 아니고 제작진-자금+프듀+스텝+여러 제반여건제공 )
@Sherluck93
2 сағат бұрын
@@FB18Ben Army does not do that, neither does BTS or their company. But BTS have final say and huge involvement in the process. They also always credit everybody involved. So, to start an argument like this is baseless.
@eileencritchley4630
Сағат бұрын
The thing is the idea that Bang is the the mastermind behind doesn't come from him it come's from outsiders who say it because they don't understand he understood RM and saw he was the real deal and had the sense to take a back seat and listen to RM. That take's special kind of person genius in his own way a forward thinker he see's things many others don't that's why he and RM are good together they are the perfect storm in the teacup along with all the members. It's a team situation rather than a Producer CEO always leading from the front and making all the decisions someone who is willing to let of his ego and try to look ahead. He recoginses the issues when you listen to Bang he tell things that the Kpop Industry just does NOT want to hear and does not want to accept. Like he said he doesn't know how to create another group like BTS as he's no idea where or how to find people like them again. People like RM and the other members are once in a life time group of people. I don't doubt Bang and HYBE with BTS help will continue to make good groups but will they ever be at the same standard as BTS not very likely but they will be have a good measure of success and if you have enough of groups at that level you are not going to fail as long as they kept out people like MHJ
@btsuga7enthusiast87
2 сағат бұрын
BTS are IT. They are the ones who have control of their music, and their music is what transcends Kpop and turn GP audiences into the Kpop space. I didn't know anything about kpop before BTS, and going through that discovery didn't rely on all these fancy "mastermind plans" but it boiled down to me coming back for more of their MUSIC. I think that's what makes them DIFFERENT. It's something in their music, their essence as artists, their combined charms and talents, their bond, and their sincerity. I don't think that can be replicated, nor attributed to any "mastermind" out there.
@Jimin_x_Serendipity
2 сағат бұрын
BTS wouldn't reach the heights it reached if it weren't for this guy "Kim Namjoon". A 19 year old who saved HYBE from bankruptcy and got BTS into stardom.
@MargaretSpillane-yl3pj
2 сағат бұрын
They can’t be deleted from the history of BTS but boy were they lucky when they found RM and Suga. Without those two members, there would be no BTS now.
@MewDenise
3 сағат бұрын
Bighit's motto seem to have always been "potential" and now outsiders are saying that's bad?? Look... you can sing like Beyonce but be a fish on stage.
@bourjoism3917
Сағат бұрын
True
@ajlee2168
Сағат бұрын
well said, and wow what a beautiful example lol
@Yoonji9212
2 сағат бұрын
BH, Bang PD and other producers and choreographers, staff etc helped and trained BTS, but it was members who learned, changed, evolved into BTS we know. It was members telling us their stories. It was them showing us their true faces. I always though that it was joined effort but if BTS would have other people and not Namjoon, Jin, Yoongi, Hobi, Jimin, Tae and JK it wouldn't be what it is today. It was members that made us love BTS. It was their stories, their personalities, it was and always be them. I am happy that they have good, talented people who helped(and still do) them, but BTS's success is just that. BTS's success. That's just my opinion, feel free to disagree.
@mora5146
2 сағат бұрын
I think they deserve some kind of recognition, maybe not the masterminds, but a very important part of BTS. But the members honestly deserve most of the recognition and lets not forget the biggest part of BTS... Army! 💜
@MidnightxCrow
Сағат бұрын
She already does that though...you should just finish watching the whole video
@dreamak.flanagan3014
2 сағат бұрын
Hi, I'm Army from Ohio. From what I've seen and experienced, I believe wholeheartedly that "our boys" are the masterminds of their own success. They All worked very hard to get where they are. They seemed to work tirelessly as a group and as individuals. I have only had the privilege of knowing them for about 2 years. I am 62 and I am so proud of them all. I am also very proud to be part of Army. I don't know a whole lot about BTS, but I am trying to learn. I love being a fan. God Bless BTS and ARMY! 🙏💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
@SemiQuiet26
3 сағат бұрын
Although this isn't a video essay, this is still an excellent topic to discuss 👍 💜
@marinal.
8 минут бұрын
yes
@duduzilemelodysimelane7034
2 сағат бұрын
BTS members always thank RM for their BILLBOARD/US success, that says a lot
@biru-kelabu-0821
2 сағат бұрын
Yoongi certainly makes better predictions than BSH 😊 Our Minstradamus
@susank2283
2 сағат бұрын
Thank you for another interesting analysis. Bang PD might not be a mastermind, however he was the key to BTS's survival and growth. He also nurtured them (a relationship he doesn't have with any of the other groups) and helped them get through hard times (behind the scenes). BTS also didn't start out with thinking they could get into the BB hot 100. They tried to be the best they could be. They worked together through all the hardship...they became family. Even though the rapline composed a lot of early songs, they collaborated with the vocal line...worked as a team. They encouraged the maknaes to listen to all types of music to broaden their knowledge and curiosity...to make them better artists. It was lucky that RM was the first member and that he was somewhat fluent in English. As Yoongi says, without RM's ability to communicate in English, they would have had a difficult time in the West. There is no formulas to repeat what happened to BTS...the right mix of people, the right time in history, etc. Also there was no pressure, except internally, for them to achieve global success. Perhaps there's too much pressure on TxT to make it big (they are growing). They are the only group, I think, under BigHit. All the other groups are under the HYBE umbrella. End my ramblings. Thanks again.
@rrr8990
Сағат бұрын
Jin once said it: Bang PD got lucky. I like HYBE/BH, I like their values and I hope they prosper because the music industry really needs more companies like this. But creating another BTS? Impossible, you would need to clone them. BTS and its members are icons that you see only once in a lifetime
@secretyidentity2833
2 сағат бұрын
Conclusion: everyone should stand up and clap every time Namjoon enters a room
@menohero_menovillian
17 минут бұрын
Don’t we do that already? 🤣
@secretadmirer5006
Сағат бұрын
I hope RM sees this, to know he is deeply appreciated!
@belaytriks
2 сағат бұрын
Unless they manage to get another Kim Namjoon, Kim Seokjin, Min Yoongi, Jung Hoseok, Park Jimin, Kim Taehyung and Jeon Jung Kook they will never, ever, will be able to replicate another BTS. I mean, each one of the boys brings something unique, each one has pushed the other to do their best, each one has huge charms and together they just enlight each other make them shinner together. RM mind, Suga soul, J-Hope ethics, Jin quiet support, Jung Kook infatomable faith in Namjoon, Taehyung child like innocence and Jimin genius emotional inteligence, all that made BTS a perfect storm that happens once in life.
@SuperAlternative1
2 сағат бұрын
This is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. RM is and has always been the linch-pinch, driver and guide of this group. RM and Yoongi were the main writers. But as leader, RM is the true Mastermind behind BTS' success. All members are amazingly talented, creating a Super Group. BTS forever 💜
@fmoreira2727
2 сағат бұрын
Namjoon is an original seed that comes once in a lifetime. Hybe was a nurturing environment but the best gardener in the world cannot bloom what isn’t already in the plant’s DNA. How fortunate we are to be alive at the same time and witness BTS grow and flourish side by side!
@eileencritchley4630
Сағат бұрын
Beautifully said
@noemibernal4882
Сағат бұрын
Yes, really beautiful metaphor
@shireenedoo1978
2 сағат бұрын
I love how it all came down to our leader and his sexy brain .. he is indeed THE mastermind behind BTS .. gotta love the sexy brain president of Boraland Kim Namjoon aka RM 👏👏👏👏🥰🥰🥰🥰💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
@em5522
2 сағат бұрын
Ddaeng, some ppl really don't know how a team works anymore. Anyways, one thing I admire abt BTS's team is how loyal and supportive they have been to the growth and development of BTS as their own artists. For years, they've acted as mentors, collaborators, and supporters bc they really believe in the guys and their music. On the flip side, BTS also should have credit that they clearly earned that respect as fellow colleagues in this industry to have these ppl stick with them like this for so long.
@siatongatonga
55 минут бұрын
As suga has said, "he gets all of the responsibilities as leader and not enough credit." Mad love for RM. 💜💜
@bluchismoon
2 сағат бұрын
I know why hybe (or more specifically Bang pd) lets the media call him the mastermind behind BTS. It's basically marketing. Cause it seems very clear that Bang PD is aware that he isnt so much a mastermind as the one who was able to help bring the group together. He said himself luck and timing were big in it all. However, it does seem like the company hasn't realized that they SHOULD move away from the basic kpop formula for their other groups. The biggest thing they need is not aesthetics (physical or musical) to appeal to fans, they need more substance. And it would be good for them to do that by bringing people with interesting visions together. The artistry is most important for the music, but they also need good people in their groups, and GOOD people managing them as well.
@bluchismoon
2 сағат бұрын
Also, I just want to point out that K-pop fans are kind of sad. They won't go the extra mile for these artists they claim to Stan because they've accustomed themselves to spreading their attention between so many groups. It's less like having a fandom and more being casuals for all of them.
@roguechevelle
41 минут бұрын
I've actually thought why don't they acquire or sign some amazing soloists? If they feel kpop is on a downward trend (which let's be real it will uptick again when BTS comes back cuz they've been holding up the industry while others ride their coat-tails) then trying soloists not groups is a more reasonable option.
@shinycheyenne
2 сағат бұрын
RM was an artist before he was an idol. I'll give BigHit credit in allowing Joon and the rest of BTS to do the sound they wanted however Namjoon and the rap line wanting to be ARTISTS is what sets them apart from everyone else. Since then Hybe has not focused on creating solid artists like RM and the rest of BTS. They focused on creating idols. The Kpop industry absolutely cannot and will not ever be able to create a band like BTS ever again unless they actually start trying to cultivate artists with their own self-sustaining drive to create their own art instead of harvesting talented bodies that can perform what's asked of them.
@jingo03
2 сағат бұрын
They're the 'masterminds', and yet they still haven't figured out the formula. BTS is their own masterminds. The company is supplemental to their success. Without BTS, any company, even Hybe, is just a company. Where's the 'next BTS'? Even Hybe doesn't have it. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@Auroraarmy
2 сағат бұрын
All the credit for BTS's success goes to BTS alone, but I am very grateful to the staff, producers, choreographers and everyone who has been involved with them since the beginning. They deserve all the success and recognition because they worked hard and made it all happen.
@SoulPatroller
2 сағат бұрын
Standing ovation for this one! You really hit the nail on the head!
@debhouckscraftycottage9288
Сағат бұрын
You know, Suga once said when the group was discussing each other, that without RM as the Leader and starting with Billboard, they wouldn't have stood a chance (not those exact words). I tend to agree. RM - best leader!!
@noemibernal4882
Сағат бұрын
I mean Bang Si Hyuk himself has admitted that he made a mistake when he didn't want Jimin in the team. I believe it was Namjoon who saw Jimin's talent and potential. And when J-hope wanted to leave, it was Namjoon again who talked both J-hope and the company into J-hope staying. And as, we know, Jungkook picked Big Hit because he admired RM. And so on...
@huntressmma1822
3 сағат бұрын
I love our 7 guys not so much Bang PD and the others behind the scenes. No disrespect to them but yeah RM and later the other 6 are the master minds!
@dinahmahlman-hl1ie
2 сағат бұрын
Love your thoughtful work, as always! A related point that I've been thinking about is how people are looking for the 'next BTS' -- as if there's a formula. One of the reasons why BTS works is that they were (eventually) given the freedom to be themselves. Led by Namjoon, they create from their hearts and the music reflects that. I believe this authentic human connection is why BTS music speaks to so many people from all over the world. The only way to have sustainable, long-term success is to create from a place of sincerity... If you try to be someone else or chase after someone else's achievements, it just won't work.
@noemibernal4882
Сағат бұрын
Sincerity is indeed the key word that RM says is the most meaningful for what BTS offer as artists
@schafferable
2 сағат бұрын
It all comes from Namjoon who inspires ideas and now they all think a little like him. You are who you hang out with. There is not a group like them in the world and even though there are great Kpop bands coming out they just don't meet the same mark. It is a once in a life time phenomenom
@joannah3334
Сағат бұрын
Yes!!!! We all need to give Kim Namjoon his flowers 💐💐💐 The true genius mind that has changed the industry. He has earned and deserves all the love and praise.💜
@jennycheng4486
53 минут бұрын
I've been a little stressed about all the chaos at Hybe and how it would impact BTS, but watching this video made me fully realize something that I already subconsciously knew. BTS does not need Hybe. Hybe needs BTS. BTS will survive and thrive no matter what happens at Hybe.
@eijidoesmusic
2 сағат бұрын
yes, bang pd is responsible for bringing the boys together, but it was the boys who crafted their artistic identity, their image, the music they wanted to sing, etc etc. they're the ones who made bts bts
@mariawilliams571
Сағат бұрын
I, too, thought BigHit had some genius minds behind the scenes until I watched them go so long making silly mistakes instead of anything new or special. I won't type a whole TED talk, but if Suga went in a more management/producer direction someday, I think that would be very enlightening. I agree on how central RM is, not just for his artistic skills, but for being the root of their incredible teamwork. I have even heard rumbling about his influence on business decisions (like NFTs). However, I think Suga has a place in the list of masterminds. The hyyh era was apparently his brainchild, for instance. He and RM were/are both passionate about many of the same things, and complement each other in others (RM leaning more towards the people skills, while suga has developed a keen eye for the machinations of the industry). Of course, in the end, its the chemistry of all 7 that is at the heart of all the other reasons for their success. I hope all the members feel empowered to continue to be great in the ways they prefer. Crazy that they are still so young!
@SugaKookieCloud
Сағат бұрын
Wait for real?! Hyyh was Yoongi's brainchild? Bro....my mind is blown!!! (lowkey I want some tangible proof, not because I don't believe you but because what few brain cells I have left want to archive it🥰)
@eileencritchley4630
2 сағат бұрын
The thing is Bang had to recognise RM's worth and trust RM with the members and his idea's. That is genius most people would have far too big an ego to do that. Bang saw something in RM and was wise enough to trust him that takes a lot of courage, that means recoginsing another person's talents and not be envious of them and a willingness to be hands off. Knowing when to step forward when to step to the side to follow behind. To recognise what that other person needs to be able to fully fulfill their potential, having the guts to be more hands off.
@nehalilisays
38 минут бұрын
Being "more hands off" also worked great with NJ - at least commercially. But there are clearly some hurt egos on both sides...
@jokoleleng1962
2 сағат бұрын
This is ridiculously good documentary.Thank you Boracity.🎉🎉🎉
@allyquintero7981
Сағат бұрын
Jin said: we are BTS because of RM, BTS is RM
@noemibernal4882
Сағат бұрын
💯
@Hbora0613
2 сағат бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. RM needs more appreciation fr
@cityofmon
Сағат бұрын
BTS is the major reason of success behind BTS
@menohero_menovillian
26 минут бұрын
And this is exactly why RM is my bias. I love all the members. But as a more mature fan, I could care less that they’re all “hot”. Lots of celebrities are hot. But seeing how RM presents himself and the group, how he leads and guides them to work hard with great work ethic, how they don’t succumb to bullying and being savage to those who are disrespectful towards them, really won me over. His alpha/leader vibes is soooo hot to me now. I first got into BTS from a business standpoint. I wanted to see what made THIS group the biggest group out of all the others. I thought it was because of BSH as the mastermind. But now I think he just allowed the members more creative freedom than other labels. Of course he guided them, but you can only guide people so far. They have to have the mental strength to take it even further. With all the BS bts has faced all these years, it really just takes one member to say “that’s it! I’ve had enuff!” And the group will disband. I’ve tried to summarize their underdog story to muggles and 100% of the time they say to me “all groups go through that”. I don’t even know how to explain it to them in a few sentences. I’m sure RM had a lot to do with HYBE giving them shares and voting rights. He would be more vocal and know what’s best for them than anyone else in the group. I really want him to be more of a world leader coz the world would be a better place. But seeing how he’s recently been saying he’s done with being a diplomat, I guess he doesn’t want that so I must respect it I’m super proud of everything RM and the members have achieved. I absolutely cannot wait for them to come back and friggin DESTROY the music industry and once and for all show the whole god damn world that they are the best and they PAVED THE WAY, and NO ONE will be able to deny it. RM absolutely deserves a Grammy nomination for RPWP. The world needs to start respecting this man and give him his flowers.
@GotNoJam
2 сағат бұрын
Kim Namjoon happens once in a lifetime
@SugaKookieCloud
Сағат бұрын
And how crazy is it that we happen to be here for that lifetime?
@CaribbeanLady77
3 сағат бұрын
Hello Boracity! 👋🏽 I’m excited to see what you’ve got in store for us today!
@AoliaUK
2 сағат бұрын
That was… unexpected… 🤔 I always thought that both components made a nearly equal contribution to the success, meaning that BSH had what it calls “a big vision” by changing the traditional connections between fans and celebrities, connecting fans directly to the artist and gave BTS a freedom of expression… However, I’ve never thought to analyse it from that angle… I don’t know… is it really a bad management issue or everyone else is so blinded by BTS’s success that can’t invent anything new and just keep following their steps and copy every move BTS does? … 🤔 I need to do some research, it’s interesting point of view and very brave… Respect 💜
@sherryjyj5910
38 минут бұрын
Also remember dna first song? The members heard it and they did not like it !!!!!!!!!! They told RM. RM then went to Bang pd and he said it straight to him: we don't like it. And now we have a masterpiece song with more than 1B. Why did i not connect the dots???????
@rgober60
Сағат бұрын
You hit the nail squar on the head!!!! It was RM with the help of Suga that kept the group together and made the music the World has come to love....and yes, I added Suga cause he was the one that set up at night with RM as the other members have talked about, to make their music and it all came together. But, as you said...the first was and is RM.... Wonderful video, I think you did a fabulous job young lady....Thank you!!🫰💜💜❤️❤️
@noemibernal4882
56 минут бұрын
👏👏
@ralphy383
2 сағат бұрын
Amazing video. Yes, we have all been noticing the lack of expertise of the so called masterminds behind bts recently. I knew that bighit weren't masterminds when they started introducing experiments with AI. This is music we are talking about... its supposed to be as human as possible.
@CfS16912
2 сағат бұрын
I agree with your point. Have you seen Wings of Pegasus channel technology analysis of STRAYKIDS. No shade to them the unreal portion of K-pop is out of control. He randomly pulled a LIVe video. It was not surprising his findings. Real instruments are considered a novelty. I guess if fans understand it’s contrived- ok. Just interesting-
@JoonieDimplesObssesed_ARMY
Сағат бұрын
Namjoon truly is the backbone of BTS. No BTS without this amazing and smart leader! BTS succeeded because of the 7 talented, sincere, hardworking people. I don't disagree about Bang si hyuk contributing in making this group this big, but the members are the main characters here. Each and every 7 members with their very own and unique talent. Sucessful as group and as soloists. No one will ever come near BTS. There will never be another BTS. They are the ultimate kings. 👑💜
@Aliamusic7
Сағат бұрын
Rm you saved lifes of many , you're so loved
@sambeautiful9720
2 сағат бұрын
Thank you for this i love when RM GET HIS FLOWERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK BORA.
@mar_dma
23 минут бұрын
1:48 boracity being unserious for a moment and then talking with a serious voice after, I love it 😂
@michellem6826
2 сағат бұрын
Thanks for this video. I think BTS made BTS with help from the staff and label. Bang PD, while good at leading a great group of people (BTS), has shown lapse in judgment (MHJ). He has had to be convinced Jimin was the right addition to BTS. He got extremely lucky in the members who are working together and controlling their destiny.
@eileencritchley4630
Сағат бұрын
Yes he's never said he knows it all he's willing to listen and he's human so going to also make errors but he's a visionary as the same time he see things other's in the Kpop Industry as a whole try to ignore, close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears and sing la la la la I can't hear you so whatever you're saying must be wrong and not relevant'. He never says it's all about him he always says it's BTS or it's the teamwork. It's mutual respect.
@michellem6826
Сағат бұрын
@@eileencritchley4630 not saying it is not, but looking at history, BTS is the only shining star out of all the teams Bang PD has put together. If you can’t duplicate the success then you just got lucky.
@eileencritchley4630
Сағат бұрын
@@michellem6826 That's because he doesn't have the same people. There can never be another BTS because you'll never find the same 7 members again. BTS are a once in a life time group. That doesn't mean other groups won't have their measure of success they just will not be at BTS level. one will or two will come out a head of the pack but still leagues behind BTS. That's just how things are.
@michellem6826
55 минут бұрын
@@eileencritchley4630 your statement proves my point. Bang PD has vision but he doesn’t have the formula to create another high performance group. He got lucky.
@winnifredminnoh7431
Сағат бұрын
Congratulations to the Big Hit part in the creation of BTS, God bless the members for allowing themselves to grow and be BTS and God continue to bless RM for being who he is..... The best leader anyone can ask for ❤❤❤.
@eveyy_xo
2 сағат бұрын
Man that clip with txt makes me so sad for them. They got their hopes up only to not chart. The thing is with bts, while they had their goals, they weren’t trying with every release to make it to the hot 100 especially topping it with Dyna. It is interesting to note as well that the only other groups under Hybe that have entered the hot 100 chart have been two girl groups. It’s almost like U.S favors more girl groups/singers than boys.
@ajlee2168
Сағат бұрын
i think there's always the desire (subconsciously more so) to have one big boy group, and one big girl group, within the western market. they want two main names that are in their own category, while also constantly competing with each other. also, if you got to know bts, its gonna be really hard to push another boy band anywhere near their level, or have the public be interested in them if they're not different enough from bts, or "better", which, without any shade, no boy group is as of now.
@eveyy_xo
Сағат бұрын
@@ajlee2168 I totally agree. And I think in a way, girl groups do have it easier in the west. I think more people are willing to check out girl groups over boys. And like you said the boy groups have to be either different enough or better than bts, and I don’t see that happening. But when you think about how many kpop groups there are compared to how many have charted on the hot 100, especially recently, the number is very small. While bts mainly have a fan base that are only a fan of them these other groups have fans that are multi’s whose support is divided, that doesn’t help either.
@MidnightxCrow
Сағат бұрын
That's because there are less prejudices around girl groups in general so they have it easier to enter the market tbh...if BTS were a girl group instead, with the amount of their talent and achievements they would have been 10 times more recognized than now but what stops ppl is their own narrow minds and prejudices
@eveyy_xo
Сағат бұрын
@@MidnightxCrow yes I had a similar thought but didn’t know how to word it so thank you for expressing what I was thinking so well
@orleeb4721
11 минут бұрын
BTS is a once in a lifetime historical phenomenon, similar to Beatles. It can’t be replicated… it just happens.
@bbwalk100
2 сағат бұрын
Bang PD, is a visionary he is looking towards the future. Sometimes failures can lead to success as long as one learn from the mistakes along the way. BTS, is a phenomenon that can not be duplicated.
@eileencritchley4630
Сағат бұрын
Bravo you summed it up beautifully while I rambled my comments. Thank you
@jessjoymoyer
Сағат бұрын
exactly!
@roguechevelle
38 минут бұрын
Very well said.
@NamuBang
53 минут бұрын
I will always respect Bang Si Hyuk's vision, along with his confidants, who had the eye for bringing seven hardworking men. They guided them well and fought for them to have the tools to succeed. And succeed they did. My main man RM was the first but the symbiosis of the entire team made bts work. BTS could have been under a mhj and had their dreams broken coz of jealousy ridden rhetoric and corruption. Bang PDnim is someone who deserves a thank you for always protecting BTS and not allowing them to attend Hollyweird after parties. This entire thing is pure kismet, never to be humanly recreated
@nightshadow73
Сағат бұрын
I agree with the person who said that this was a perfect storm. Most number one groups only have one or two people who are mega superstars and then the rest kind of fill-in behind them. But somehow, BTS got 7 mega superstars to make up their group. That doesn’t come by some mega mastermind. You have God Getting involved at that point.
@sherryjyj5910
27 минут бұрын
Genius RM's vision, Suga's Master level producer quality, Jhope leadership, V unique mind, JK amazing talent, Jimin genius eq and Jin supportive presence combine it with all 7 dedication and hard work. And then we have support of hybe and staff
@Tae_Vear7
2 сағат бұрын
I honestly think, That every other group got a hope, a ray of light for entering into some big things in the Global music field because of BTS. They for sure look up on them and want to do what BTS did, And, BTS never intended or didn't even think of doing something so big, it just happened, because they had the passion, artistry and they were able to connect to people, and I don't know, people who know nothing about BTS talk bad on them and how great their impact is, It's how they have collected people and have connected to them regardless ANY boundry and that's what makes them so Big, Globally. Moreover, Yes, We appreciate the training staff of the company, but if not the members themselves, had not written or showed their Artistry and would not have choosen the type of music and messages they want to convey (the liberty they had) then I don't think they would have ever inspected well. The young boys signing up in a small, bankrupt company was a huge thing for the company itself, they for sure would never like them to Leave under pressure (tho they had) and captivation. So, BTS had the liberty to do whatever they wanted and it happened, They succeeded, Because they were determined for their work. And, It's good that others think they can have a chance for something big, Because BTS had it too. So yeah, BTS PAVED THE WAY.
@gretchend6823
2 сағат бұрын
Once again you pull so many facts together to see the patterns and bring us a cohesive, interesting and pertinent discussion. Thank you. 💜
@heathermurray7130
Сағат бұрын
There are two things I think are overlooked here. First it's others calling the team around BTS "masterminds" not the team calling themselves that. It's others creating this unrealistic title and expectation that the team shouldn't have to adhere to (and it also undermines the hard work being put in by everyone). This mastermind narrative plays into the misconception that BTS and their success is manufactured and therefore is repeatable. So it's not really fair to drag them for not creating "the next BTS" especially if that isn't their goal. I think this should be reframed - there isn't a "problem with" the team behind BTS there is a "problem with" the media framing of BTS's success. Second. People need to remember that it isn't just the management team who got BTS success on the charts, it's also BTS and ARMY. Ultimately, we are the ones buying and streaming. I'm not saying this to be conceited. But we are a very important part of this equation. BTS didn't come out the gate as the biggest band in the world, they grew into it, and ARMY grew with them, because the focus was on developing their unique voice, artistry, quality and connection, not "getting on the charts". Put the focus on those things.
@mar_dma
2 минут бұрын
I support the idea of our Namjoonie being the mastermind of BTS! Namjoon for president! BTS should create their own label ✨
@user-lt3fh1dq3y
Сағат бұрын
방탄은 자신이 가진 잠재력을 노력과 실력으로 성장시켜왔다. 이와함께 빅히트가 BTS의 잠재력을 끌어낸건 사실이며 이부분에선 빅히트 방시혁과 손성득외의 능력을 인정해야만 한다. 만약 BTS가 SM이나 민희진같은 제작진를 만났다면 과연 지금의 BTS가 있을 수 있을까? 인간의 재능과 노력을 자극하고 극대화시키는 것 또한 진정한 제작자만이 할 수 있다. 비록 방피디등이 경영을 하면서 BTS의 성장을 못따라온 것도 사실이지만 그건 BTS자체의 능력과 폭발적 성장속도 때문이다. 사실 그들의 재능과 힘을 제대로 100% Support할 프로듀서가 있긴할까?😊💜💜💜
@angelavann7236
2 сағат бұрын
THIS!!! Thank you as always for your research, and the wok you do elevating the skills, talent and passion of BTS!
@fabeefbz
36 минут бұрын
There’s leaders and masterminds and then is Kim Namjoon 💜 Army is so lucky to have him as their leader 🌼🥰
@solovely7419
Сағат бұрын
RM is truly the mastermind, along with the members for the success of BTS. They are truly really different and special from any idol groups before and after I found them.
@Merissa5150
2 сағат бұрын
Bang PD might have had the “idea” of BTS, but it was the 7 members who worked their asses off to get to the top that made that idea a reality.
@Arahmina7580
Сағат бұрын
Rm is the one who master mind all of this and the members are also group of talented and most creative unique music to melt all young once feeling❤
@mochipjamas
Сағат бұрын
I think it's a mistake to dismiss the management and production pieces of BTS' success. It took a million tiny details to make BTS, and they would not be who they are if every single one of those things didn't happen in precisely that way. That is why no one can figure out the fabled "next BTS" formula: there isn't ONE. Or a list of five or ten things any old company with any old producers with any bunch of talented kids could reproduce. BTS is a perfect storm of impossible things/people happening in just the right way at just the right time, from PD Bang, to the members, to ARMY. No one can reproduce that. I realize it's popular to hate on BH, Bang, production, staff, PR, and everything else involved in the machine that is BTS besides the members themselves, but it's just not right or accurate to dismiss them out of hand. I think the guys would agree.
@jessjoymoyer
59 минут бұрын
100% agree
@noemibernal4882
31 минут бұрын
The MVs by Lumens and their beautifully intricate and precise choreos brought a lot of fans to BTS. However, I think their substance and authenticity is what made the fans stay, right? Ultimately, their success is multifactorial
@Aria-vp7kr
Сағат бұрын
I agree..Namjoon is the seed that helped bloom BTS..I don't think they can ever be duplicated even though hybe is trying so hard..if any group becomes big one day..I think it probably won't be k-pop related..it might be from another country..but within Korea..I doubt it..I think Korea should appreciate BTS rather then taking them down every chance they get..i'm surprised they aren't considered a national treasure to them..because they are to army
@ElaBM4
2 сағат бұрын
Finally, Army understands that Hybe isn't the reason behind BTS's achievements; BTS is renowned because of its members. However, the members collectively own only 1.15% of Hybe, which means each member has approximately 0.16% of the shares.
@taniali3206
54 минут бұрын
RM and I unwavering believe the group contributed immensely to masterminding what bts/bighit/hybe is today. I have come across some clips on how jhop, jimin, suga who have to insist on some theories or approach to songs against what the company wanted and even got scolded. And the songs ended up being hits
@iyerezm
Сағат бұрын
I think its the right group (talented ,hard working, ambitious and charismatic BTS members and team work ) at the right place(bighit who gave them creative freedom, production and marketing) right timing ( during social media/YT/twitter revolution) right fandom ( ARMY who is loyal, passionate and ambitious) , Also coming from small company outside big3, they have a legendary nobodies to legends story 💜
@andreaxyloholt2347
Сағат бұрын
Amazing video! Told no lies! They continue to search for the secret but it really is Namjoon and the collective 7 members and Army who are a one of a kind phenomenon.
@zee0905_
24 минут бұрын
Bang PD just got lucky tbh, all 7 of them were humble, dedicated, and have potential/talent since day one. Their teamwork and talent are what brought them this far. Their success is only credited to them alone, things like producers, company, and management are secondary bc tbh bts would've still succeeded no matter what.
@paulinewatson8240
2 сағат бұрын
Very interesting argument - I think you have hit the nail on the head. Namjoon is the keystone. 💜
@noemibernal4882
50 минут бұрын
I like that word, 'keystone' 👍
@vuyisilemyeni6198
Сағат бұрын
Of course our president is the true mastermind, even Suga said it in an interview, that without RM they would have not made it, but I feel like without either of them we wouldn't be here, they each hold a torch to this huge success and I'm glad they found each other
@cherylyoung1106
2 сағат бұрын
Well said. Always top notch. Thank you for all your hard work and love for BTS
@karinahoras6247
21 минут бұрын
just exactly like what Jin said : "RM himself is BTS"
@noemibernal4882
6 минут бұрын
Genuine question, do you know where he said that? I've seen others comment this and I love that Jin was so real to say that, but I'd never heard it before and I'd like to see it. Thanks
@KayamiHakumei
Сағат бұрын
QUEEN IS AT IT AGAIN! Preach, baby! 🎉💜
@leamsi0613
41 минут бұрын
I have always thought that BTS's success is attributed to BTS' talent and hard work. Yes, bighit and BangPD gave them the paltform to be BTS, and the resources, but without the actual effort and artistry of the members (especially RM in the early years), BTS would've never been as successful as they are now.
@ciel1177
2 сағат бұрын
And, at final, the boys groups who is the more successfull now, during the bts hiatus, is skz, maybe because the group compose and produce his own song. More liberty for idol group can make more quality and creativity. I'm waiting for the return of our boys ^^
@mislecastillo8507
Сағат бұрын
Our president Kim Namjoon
@sony67100
55 минут бұрын
For me the answer is because it's them!!! Each artist is different. BTS members are something you cannot replicate as people. Is like if we were expecting that the manager of Queen would have the same success with another group created by him. In this case BTS member were involved in everything and their personalities had tons to do with their success. They are once in a life time stars just like the rest of the legendary artists in the World. So they just have to accept that the big success of BTS was because of the members themselves. It was RM and the rest of the members who really had the visión. And maybe one day we will have another super successful group, but they will be different to BTS and they will succeed because of themselves, not because of the ceos and "masterminds" behind them. Just look at BTS solo work. They are so different from each other and soooo good! So there is the answer. The reason of their success is just them.
@gemma9319
2 сағат бұрын
Another great video! I kind of wish you included clips from the interview RM had with that AR lady from Hybe to buttress your points but still this is a nice conversation that we need to have so thank you for talking it💜
@queen-Me7
2 сағат бұрын
Best leader and our president FATHER OF KPOP KIM NAMJOON 💜💜💜💪💪💪
@nadia9836
2 сағат бұрын
Some of the decisions by Bang PD, Hybe lately, and even throughout the years BTS have been a thing, are frankly plain stupid and show a lack of understanding/research of the industry and public opinion. RM even has mentioned instances where he needs to step up and try to persuade them not to go through with it, but obviously, he can't be on everything. Some ARMYs even seem to think that not loving HYBE or Bang PD equals not loving BTS, which is insane.
@kalina1871
Сағат бұрын
THE QUEEN POSTED!! and like always, I agree with everything you said in this video. I never thought about it too much, but you’re right. without RM, there wouldn’t be BTS.
@ihniwiad
2 сағат бұрын
The fact that I can tell this was inspired by the tik tok just from the title. 😂
@legendzbts
2 сағат бұрын
what tiktok is that?
@cnot4948
59 минут бұрын
It's only my opinion but I honestly don't think you can attribute BTS' success to any one person whether it be RM, Bang PD or anyone else. BTS is lightning in a bottle. You had Bang PD who didn't like the Kpop system and thought artists should be able to do the kind of music they liked and resonated with. Sure, he still fell back on the basics of the Idol training system but his main focus was on letting them make the kind of music they wanted and not just being fed everything from lyrics to fashion and image. The training and development team who insisted that Jimin be a part of the group and never got rid of Yoongi despite him always been at the bottom on the monthly evaluations. The choreographers who took people like RM and Jin and showed them and taught them the value of dance to emphasize their message (of course with the other members help too). And a training system that focused NOT on the cutthroat method of beating everyone you're in competition with but instead on everyone helping each other. The stylists, managers, film crew and producers that not only stayed in a company near bankruptcy but put in their best efforts to make the best possible results that they could given their limited resources. The members themselves doing everything in their power to make it work. Giving it their all and committing themselves to the path they chose. I won't go into the genius and talent that each of the members bring to the team because that would take too long. And last but not least - ARMY. The early fans who found BTS and their message and went 'Yup, that's my group!' The fans who put in the work to spread BTS' music and message. They translated videos for years before the company was able to do so. They stood by them despite the hardships that both had to go through. They used every social media site they could and flooded them with BTS content just to get people to notice them. Buying, streaming, awards and yes even Billboard when BTS themselves didn't understand what was happening to them. There is no mastermind to BTS. BTS is the result of so many things happening together that combined - BTS' talent - Big Hit's commitment to them - and the fans solid belief in their music and their message. LIGHTNING IN A BOTTLE that came at the perfect time when social media could put the gasoline on the best bonfire you would ever want to bring some marshmallows to.
@noemibernal4882
34 минут бұрын
Great comment! 😀👏
@taniali3206
Сағат бұрын
At this rate, hybe should hire Boracity as one of its advisors if she is available. She has good insight on this.
@adrianamora7904
2 сағат бұрын
I'm honestly confused by Hybe decisions and debuts of their groups. I feel like they're trying to follow trends but with no success. Talking about their gg their songs feel like a men wrote them, they fall short in meaning or the music is plain? They should let their artis write their lyrics or ask them what they want to do. Seventeen is one of their more successful groups, and i think is because they write and are very involved in their music, they also have a modern sound and understand what young people like. Also having diversity in their music works good for BTS because each one has a different color and music taste, but their new groups don't, most of them like pop, or certain pop kpop artis. Their songs are good but sometimes they don't fit with them.
@eileencritchley4630
Сағат бұрын
They are still doing better on the global scene than many GG's from the other 3 kpop companies so they must be doing something right.
@nehalilisays
57 минут бұрын
NJ actually have some writing credits on their songs. But the group was not created by Bang PD ... *cough* *cough*
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