These Muslim apologetics girls are now having a problem understanding what "unchanged" means. Or what "perfectly preserved" means, or were they all lying all along? Does Allah have a library of Qurans in paradise, or just one? So which is the version in paradise? Which one was unchanged? Which one was given to Momo? Lies and deflections below, as always.
@CaptainChristianZ1818
4 ай бұрын
They have been lying all along. There is no way they don't know the multiple quran versions.
@Indah-tjs
4 ай бұрын
They HAVE to lie, because otherwise they would not live up to the dawah claim of their pagan cult. I live in a Muslim environment myself, and know from visits to mosques, but also to schools, that the imams and teachers attach great importance to pointing out to their communities the permissibility of deception and lies when unpleasant questions are asked by “unbelievers”. To get to the point... I am convinced that a first of many Quran versions was circulated around the middle of the 8th century since the Abbasid power, altered with the addition of texts from earlier religious texts and apocrypha, corrupting and sexualizing them to give legitimacy to the perv. needs of the early Muslims of the time. Another reason for the constant lies from the Muslim side is the fact that most of the traditions from Quran, Hadith and Sira are so embarrassing that they have to be denied - a plausible Muslim protective mechanism.
@lexa5842
4 ай бұрын
Words have different meanings in islam.
@Indah-tjs
4 ай бұрын
@@lexa5842 Perfect for cherry picking... but translations are understandable, even if they are corrupt, like most of them.
@jaju710
4 ай бұрын
@Lloyd Which was your video comparing the different concepts/version of gods? I couldn't recall its title. Can you give the link here?
@kongziarusu8518
4 ай бұрын
Btw Lloyd, the centenary of the 1924 Cairo Edition is coming up on the 10th July. PLEASE consider to ‘celebrate’ this important milestone in Quranic canonization. If all Christian channels did this we could have a hole in the narrative 2.0, for the salvation of many Muslims. Happy Birthday 1924 Hafs Quran 🎉. 100 years in the business! Greatest Quran version 🎂 Winner of the Nile olympics 🏆
@jsgv7935
4 ай бұрын
It's not a version, it's a qira'a...
@CaptainChristianZ1818
3 ай бұрын
@@jsgv7935 Yet there are different meaning for example he fight vs he was killed. 2 very very different meaning. Holes in the narrative are growing. Without lies, islam dies.
@CaptainChristianZ1818
3 ай бұрын
@@jsgv7935 You said "The meanings are practically the same between 9iraa2aat, why are you trying to teach an Arabic speaker about arabic? When we read it we understand it the same" even though somehow i got your comment through the feed but was somehow deleted. If you are truly an Arabic speaker, you wouldn't say they mean the same, you are practically lying and continue to lie. I follow arabic speakers like Al-fadi, Christian Prince, Ex-muslim Ahmed and others who are Arabic speakers. They show your sources in arabic and PROVED they are different and written differently with words said differently and mean different. I don't simply trust what they say I also cross reference sources. I trust these people because time and time again, i checked and they are telling the truth. Why should I believe anything YOU say after i have checked and saw with my own eyes the different qurans and the different meanings? Without lies islam dies.
@CaptainChristianZ1818
3 ай бұрын
@@jsgv7935 Furthermore, I don't have to prove to you about the 37 different qurans. it's practically a fact now, simply just mention warsh and hafs you have these 2 qurans with 114 surahs and 116 surahs. The burden of proof is on YOU for claiming there is only 1 quran, not 1 dot not 1 word changed, PERFECTLY PRESERVED over 1400 years.
@sgt.grinch3299
4 ай бұрын
Dr. Jay and Hatun have shown there may have been up to 720 versions. Wow.
@jsgv7935
4 ай бұрын
With the exact same letters and meanings
@onibioh
3 ай бұрын
Anything passed down orally is bound to have holes.
@arifsoetanto7533
4 ай бұрын
After reading Fountain of Knowledge by John of Damascus (740 AD), there are many differences with qoran today 1. No camel story 2. Muhammad supposedly receive book in dreams. But now recite by Djibril 3. Black Stone was Aphrodite head, now stone from heaven Thus claim that Qoran is preserved is A BIG LIE
@MrSimpoge
4 ай бұрын
That was a great read, thanks
@SeoJun-Sara97
4 ай бұрын
Wow… so black stone was Aphrodite head.
@BattleSymphony349
4 ай бұрын
Bro muslims dont know what canonize mean 😅 They have to take 1 whole semester to understand it
@julietabraham476
4 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Nescafeclassic156
3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@universalflamethrower6342
4 ай бұрын
You can not expect to much from people who believe 9 is adult
@Incognito984
4 ай бұрын
I would love to see an in-depth analysis on the chains of narration. I cannot understand how what is basically a game of telephone can be used as a means to uphold the ‘perfect’ preservation argument.
@centurysince4312
4 ай бұрын
I would too but I doubt it’s actually possible. When you make the effort with Islam’s history it very quickly becomes a complete mess. It’s not supposed to make sense. You’re just supposed to accept it and move on.
@sheikhboyardee556
4 ай бұрын
@@ahmaduahmed8760 Not an adequate explanation. It should be one quran, not many. Allah is not doing his job by allowing so many different ones one earth.
@childofgod4862
4 ай бұрын
@@ahmaduahmed8760 But your god Allah fall asleep when your Muslims scholars have changed his quran. and the memory is eatten by Goat Thus your Quran can be abro-goated already You hit your head on the wall by saying, "Perfect Preservation" 100 times a day and yet after 6 months you will find same problem with your quran Ok?
@LloydDeJongh
4 ай бұрын
@@ahmaduahmed8760 No. Muslims always lie about this
@LloydDeJongh
4 ай бұрын
@@ahmaduahmed8760 Are you girls now having a problem understanding what "unchanged" means? Or what "perfectly preserved" means, or were you all lying all along? Does Allah have a library of Qurans in paradise, or just one? So which is the version in paradise? Which one was unchanged? Which one was given to Momo?
@IslamicPropaganda
4 ай бұрын
It's amazing to know that I am older than the Qur'an 🤭
@mazlimboy
4 ай бұрын
👍
@stresslimit
4 ай бұрын
Dang you pushing 40 gramps 😅😂
@originalbaptistfaithapolog3751
4 ай бұрын
Yes
@rabbithole8592
4 ай бұрын
The differences between the Hafs and Warsh texts prove the Qur'an is not from God Islam The Hafs reading is the more common and used in most areas of the Islamic world. Warsh is used mainly in West and North-West Africa as well as by the Zaydiya in Yemen. Here are some of the differences: Quran 2:125 Hafs: watakhizu (you shall take) Warsh: watakhazu (they have taken) Quran 2:140 Hafs: taquluna (You say) Warsh: yaquluna (They say) Quran 2:184 Hafs: miskeenin (poor person Warsh: masakeena (poor people) Quran 3:146 Hafs: qatala (fought) Warsh: qutila (was killed) Quran 40:26 Hafs: aw an (or that) Warsh: wa an (and that) Quran 43:19 Hafs: ibaad (slaves) Warsh: inda (with) These are just a few examples since there are thousands of differences between the two texts and many of these variants contradict eachother so they can't be different Qir'aat but these words sound similar to eachother and look identical in the early text without dots so they are assumptions made by the scribes who were left to guess what the words meant. All these differences prove there is not one single Qur'an version that was perfectly preserved but it proves there are many Qur'an versions in the world that all are a giant mess since it's early scribes were left to guess what many of it's words were and now muslims are left to guess which one is the true Qur'an if that version even survived and has not been tampered with by scribes. There's as many as 50 different readings! And Uthman ordered Qurans to be Burnt! Lol
@rabbithole8592
4 ай бұрын
@@mralchemist3976 CONTRADICTION! S. 17:13-15 - "No one will Bear the Burdens of others" S. 16:25 - "They bear the burden of those they lead astray" S. 29:12-13 - "They Bear the Burdens of Others" So one S. Says no one will suffer the Sins of others and other S. Say Some will Carry the Burdens of Others.
@rabbithole8592
4 ай бұрын
@@mralchemist3976 THERES NO FREE WILL IN ISLAM! Islam is a pointless religion. Everything has already been written. It's Fate/Destiny. Preordained by Allah! Sahih al-Bukhari 6614 Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet (ﷺ) added, repeating the Statement three times. Sahih Muslim 2643 a Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) who is the most truthful (of the human beings) and his being truthful (is a fact) said: Verily your creation is on this wise. The constituents of one of you are collected for forty days in his mother's womb in the form of blood, after which it becomes a clot of blood in another period of forty days. Then it becomes a lump of flesh and forty days later Allah sends His angel to it with instructions concerning four things, so the angel writes down his livelihood, his death, his deeds, his fortune and misfortune. By Him, besides Whom there is no god, that one amongst you acts like the people deserving Paradise until between him and Paradise there remains but the distance of a cubit, when suddenly the writing of destiny overcomes him and he begins to act like the denizens of Hell and thus enters Hell, and another one acts in the way of the denizens of Hell, until there remains between him and Hell a distance of a cubit that the writing of destiny overcomes him and then he begins to act like the people of Paradise and enters Paradise. Sahih Muslim 2749 Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them. fate /fāt/ noun 1. the development of events beyond a person's control, regarded as determined by a supernatural power. "fate decided his course for him" Sahih Muslim 2662 c 'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins. ALSO... THERE ARE MULTIPLE ERRORS IN THE HADITH BELOW! The Earth is loosely divided into 24 regions (time zones) separated by longitude. Not counting local variations, each line of longitude is divided by fifteen degrees; as a general rule and depending upon which way one travels, time moves forward or backward one hour for every fifteen degrees of longitude. Allah didn't know it's alwayz night somewhere on Earth 24/7!? He supposedly created the Earth but didn't know about time zones!? (Rhetorical Questions btw) There's 24 Different Time Zones! Seems Allah thought it was Night everywhere on Earth at the same time simultaneously. Proof the Quran was written by primitive desert dwellers with limited knowledge. Sahih Muslim 758 a Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: Our Lord, the Blessed and the Exalted, descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the latter part of the night is left, and says: Who supplicates Me so that I may answer him? Who asks Me so that I may give to him? Who asks Me forgiveness so that I may forgive him? Sahih Muslim 758 b Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: Allah descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the first part of the night is over and says: I am the Lord; I am the Lord: who is there to supplicate Me so that I answer him? Who is there to beg of Me so that I grant him? Who is there to beg forgiveness from Me so that I forgive him? He continues like this till the day breaks. 1) Allah has to come closer to hear!? Lol 2) Allah entered his Creation. Heaven is Creation. 3) Why beg forgiveness for something Allah made you do!? 4) Whoever wrote this verse didn't know about time zones. They thought it was Night everywhere on Earth at the same time. There's actually 37 or 38 different Arabic Qurans btw 100s of thousands of textual variants that change the Narrative. kzitem.infoyrjKQi5-GUY?feature=share
@rabbithole8592
4 ай бұрын
@@mralchemist3976 THE QURAN AFFIRMS THE TORAH AND GOSPEL ! QURAN 5:47 "LET THE PEOPLE OF THE GOSPEL JUDGE BY WHAT ALLAH HAS REVEALED THEREIN" SAHIH INTERNATIONAL (5 :47) And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient. SAHIH INTERNATIONAL (3:64) Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people. SAHIH INTERNATIONAL (10:94) So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters. SAHIH INTERNATIONAL (2:89) “And when there comes to them a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith. SAHIH INTERNATIONAL (6:115) And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
@rabbithole8592
4 ай бұрын
@@mralchemist3976 12:111 - Says the Quran is a Detailed explanation of everything yet Muslims need Hadiths, Tafsir, Torah and Gospel to explain what the Quran doesn't! Lol
@Seeker123-l2b
4 ай бұрын
@@mralchemist3976 bro go to English classes instead of Arabic classes in your spare time, "keep embarrassED urself," I mean wtf!
@hebrews1112
4 ай бұрын
Aren't there five or six canonisations? Muslims tell me all these different Qur'ans are the same. Ask Yasr Qadhi 🤣😂🤣
@childofgod4862
4 ай бұрын
@@ahmaduahmed8760 My friend Christians and Jews have their copy of Manuscripts even from before the birth of Jesus and for New Testament there are almost 24000 Manuscripts available today.
@hebrews1112
4 ай бұрын
@@ahmaduahmed8760 Then tell me how you know the Qur'ans should have 114 sura and not 111 or 116. Andcexplain why Uthman, who was NOT A PROPHET, burned quranic manuscripts so he could standardise the text if the Qur'an. Who was he to judge the text???
@LloydDeJongh
4 ай бұрын
@@ahmaduahmed8760 Are you girls now having a problem understanding what "unchanged" means? Or what "perfectly preserved" means, or were you all lying all along? Does Allah have a library of Qurans in paradise, or just one? So which is the version in paradise? Which one was unchanged? Which one was given to Momo?
@arifsoetanto7533
4 ай бұрын
@@hebrews1112 Muhammed was actually a Christian But Uthman corrupted Qoran
@WalterKluwers
4 ай бұрын
Muslims will tell us the different qira`at are just like different dialects of the same thing.....but even then why was it finalized so late? Shouldn't the "dialects" be already formed near Muhammad's time? Again another lie.
@bebetterthanyesterday7
4 ай бұрын
@ahmaduahmed8760 trying to find variations? There's no need to try. It's there! Muslim BELIEFS is stronger than REASON and LOGIC. May christ guide you
@LloydDeJongh
4 ай бұрын
@@ahmaduahmed8760 Ha ha ha ha. Did you know the Quran is only preserved since 1985? Where are those early Qurans, Abdul? Why all the lies about early Qurans and the Birmingham Manuscript?
@LloydDeJongh
4 ай бұрын
@@ahmaduahmed8760 I invited Paul from Bumbling Theology to do a live talk on sharia, and he ignores me, because he lies about sharia and will get embarrassed by me.
@LloydDeJongh
4 ай бұрын
@@ahmaduahmed8760 Are you girls now having a problem understanding what "unchanged" means? Or what "perfectly preserved" means, or were you all lying all along? Does Allah have a library of Qurans in paradise, or just one? So which is the version in paradise? Which one was unchanged? Which one was given to Momo?
@ic.xc.
4 ай бұрын
Blogging theology is a coward and runs from debates on anything against knowledgeable Christians. He goes after tourists and laymen to argue.. He is not a good reference..
@Basaljet
4 ай бұрын
Keep going Lloyd I cannot keep up with your vast wide ranging interests
@sw8741
4 ай бұрын
No one ever mentions how Muslims had to be completely derelict in duty to Allah to lose the 5 "original Qurans" in the first place. One would think that Allah's word to Mohammad would be protected at all costs and their whereabouts be known continually. Not only that, but they would be used to make full and complete copies of the originals in the 100's if not 1000's to be passed out to Mosques in the area so Allah's word could be read and would be preserved. Those copies should be around today. Also, if they were lost there should at least be accounts and stories of the circumstances of how each one was lost and why since losing 1 would be a great tragedy. How could a people so mismanage Allah's word? Was it a mistake to pick Mohammad and the Arabs for the last revelation, the one which tells of the Quran in Paradise which was given to Mohammad?
@WalterKluwers
4 ай бұрын
The thing is Allah never existed in the first place. If Allah existed, he would have preserved his Qurans. Perhaps even Muhammad was fake. The closest to Muhammad was Mahmud who lived in 634 AD two years after Muhammad supposedly died, near the Palestine Region today. The Muhammad we know today was an Abbasid Caliphate creation and the Quran was most likely created during this period by later Muslims, not related to the original Muhammad in 600s
@LloydDeJongh
4 ай бұрын
@@ahmaduahmed8760 Are you girls now having a problem understanding what "unchanged" means? Or what "perfectly preserved" means, or were you all lying all along? Does Allah have a library of Qurans in paradise, or just one? So which is the version in paradise? Which one was unchanged? Which one was given to Momo?
@arifsoetanto7533
4 ай бұрын
Oooohhh. You mean the one that was eaten by goats?
@l.quranhubbard5275
4 ай бұрын
More like pickled. Brined, boiled, canned and put on the shelf for months. It is not longer a fresh cucumber.
@miovicdina7706
4 ай бұрын
Plus, it was never a fresh cucumber to start with. It was a "Shopska salata" from it's very creation. A Greek salad, or Macedonian,or Serbian salad as some call it here in Serbia, the Shopska salad is made of chopped fresh cucumber, tomato, onion, and feta cheese, some add olives or parsley leaves. I am obviously referring to the Q being made of bits and pieces from other previously existing religions, mixed together in to coherent order.
@l.quranhubbard5275
4 ай бұрын
@@miovicdina7706 Agree ,but I would say the order is incoherent.
@jagdishmadgaonkar
4 ай бұрын
Totally preserved pickle as claimed by the abdool's
@l.quranhubbard5275
4 ай бұрын
@@jagdishmadgaonkar Yes, only after much processing. LOL.
@jacobmathew710
4 ай бұрын
Quran is only 3 years older than me 😂😂😂
@acex222
4 ай бұрын
Very good video! I was always under the impression/Muslim lie that the only differences in Quranic texts have been pronunciation. Although, I think given the general idea of "paradise", the Golden tablets can contain all translations, simultaneously, and have them all be true, because the logic of paradise is that there is no logic.
@harrysandro7351
4 ай бұрын
Undeniable fact.
@sun2620
4 ай бұрын
So Allah couldn’t preserve the Quran from a sheep? 🐑
@michaelhughes7458
4 ай бұрын
Thanks and I think your correct 👍👍
@barry_wastaken
4 ай бұрын
do you older copies that are different from the new ones
@LloydDeJongh
4 ай бұрын
See my Friday talk on that topic, coming up in 2 days
@jesusisthechristthesonofgod
4 ай бұрын
it doesnt matter how preserved the book is, it gets the gospel wrong
@theastronomer5800
Ай бұрын
Keep in mind that the gospels contradict one another as well. Muhammad however didn't know what was in the canonical gospels, he was more familiar with apocryphal ones.
@jesusisthechristthesonofgod
Ай бұрын
@@theastronomer5800 All four gospel accounts testify that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God and that he died and was resurrected by God. Moe got these well established facts wrong. A real prophet doesn't get things wrong, let alone such major things as these.
@HappyCamper84
4 ай бұрын
The fact that there are varients today proves allahs word can be changed. Can be corrupted. What's more embarrassing is their own sources say there were more, but uthman burnt them as he chose what to put into the quran. Uthman/malik were the final editors. Lol.
@5411-rh4xb
4 ай бұрын
Great,watched the full video,could you do a video a Jesus v Muhammad who was better.
@qasmb1546
4 ай бұрын
Dies that even require a video?
@5411-rh4xb
4 ай бұрын
@@qasmb1546 Yeah,but everything piled will be helpful.👍
@martiansarepunk
4 ай бұрын
Preoccupied, in this case was them literally tossing Muhammads corpse in a guarded room for 3 days to see if it would/wouldn't rot(Momo said it wouldn't but it did, via viewing by his paternal uncle). While his companions bickered over what to do next.
@TheLuckylandShow
4 ай бұрын
What did I learn about Christianity from this channel?
@LloydDeJongh
4 ай бұрын
Huh?
@michaelhughes7458
4 ай бұрын
What year was the Koran on the tablets written ?
@LloydDeJongh
4 ай бұрын
1984, I guess.
@MarcelAlhind-sr8mv
4 ай бұрын
Unchanged means not unchanged
@LloydDeJongh
4 ай бұрын
We're slowly starting to understand
@ColinMedcalf
4 ай бұрын
TWISTED ISLAM!!
@LeonG24-si8wd
4 ай бұрын
This is one of many lies Mahomatens claim but there are many variations.
@justaminute3111
4 ай бұрын
Which version is up in Paradise with Allah? Don’t ask, it’s quantum.!
@Corolla97ww
4 ай бұрын
Interesting.
@EMBMAXIM..
4 ай бұрын
Isssslaaam = rightly guided , preserved hoooles from beginning till now ... Copypasting , fsbricsrings ...in short....
@sattaurnikki
4 ай бұрын
Very funny! The quran is from Allah and it's preserved! 😅
@frankc-k3q
4 ай бұрын
So many but they themselves have destroyed a lot of them.
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