Unless one understands exactly WHAT the tribulation period is FOR……then one will forever be confused as to WHO will go through it.
@bybeta9885
Жыл бұрын
Tribulation is to test the believers. Wrath is to punish the unbelievers.
@DP-ih6nt
Жыл бұрын
@@bybeta9885 Then WHY just those unfortunate believers who happen to be alive when the tribulation starts? If the tribulation was truly meant to be a “testing” for believers, then there seems to be a resurrection missing somewhere of ALL believers from the very first one to believe in Jesus to the very last one to die a split second before the tribulation begins, to share in this “testing”? And speaking of “testing”, aren’t we as believers “tested” every day of our lives? Some more than other for sure, but it makes no sense to put believers through the worst period in all of human history.
@ericboling8037
Жыл бұрын
The purpose of the period is the last week (7years) of Jacobs trouble. This is Gods last punishment and dealing with Israel and the unholy nations of the world. Through this period Israel with finally accept their Messiah as King. That is why the church will not go through it. What would be the purpose for the last remnant of the church to go through it? Why would we be told to comfort one another with these words in 1 thessalonians? I believe I will be coming back with the Lord on a white horse in Revelations 19 after receiving my robe of white. If that's not the church, then who is it
@DP-ih6nt
Жыл бұрын
@@ericboling8037 EXACTLY!!! 🎯🎯👍
@travisparks9289
Жыл бұрын
@Eric Boling By that logic the suffering of all the saints is pointless then, Paul’s suffering was pointless, Peter’s suffering was pointless, our behavior in our suffering proves that we have faith in Christ, look at the story of Job the reason God made sure Job’s story was remembered was because he represented the life of those who suffer for their belief and faith in God, the whole point of the story was that Satan didn’t really believe Job was a true believer and would crumble when all the blessings God had given him were taken away! That is what the Tribulation will be, Satan’s last attempt to break God’s children by drawing the unbelievers to worship himself and to persecute and kill as many Christians as he can. It is also meant to redeem Israel but that is part of its purpose not the whole purpose. The Tribulation is Satan’s last attempt to prove the accusations he accused Job of, that believers when placed under intense suffering would turn from God and curse Him.
@Airpaycheck
Жыл бұрын
One day we will know for sure. In the meantime, hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and above all, preach the Gospel!
@sukiwomoto5329
Жыл бұрын
Brethren, this is not good enough. We can know now by thorough study of the Word; with out adding or taking away from the text, and with humility to relinquish our preconceived notions. The Bible is very clear on the subject. Pl me mindful of the seeds that the enemy have planted. We must also be ready to admit that even our long standing leaders can be wrong.
@kc-wk1kz
Жыл бұрын
There is NO PREtribulation rapture. Please prayerfully reread God's word, the 66 books of the Holy Bible; without considering the interpretations of other fallen humans. Just prayerfully read Gods word and ask God to show you the truth. Don't believe me or other people; ask God. I read the same Scriptures and i clearly see that there is no pretribulation rapture. +There are many sources out there who use God's word for reference to help to explain that there is no such thing as a pretribulation rapture. - [But still; ask God to show you the truth of the matter.] We can and must trust our loving triune God the Father, the Son Jesus Christ our Savior, and the Holy Spirit with our eternal soul, we can therefore trust God with whatever temporary troubles we go through while in this fallen troubled world. Jesus tells us to watch and to not be afraid. We need to keep prayerfully reading God's word; God and His word will guide us; including about what to do and what NOT to do; including to NOT accept the mark of the beast/worship of the beast no matter what. Trust God; not man.
@sukiwomoto5329
Жыл бұрын
@@kc-wk1kz Amen. I praise God for opening your eyes to the truth of his word. Now we must continue to pray that others will understand as well. God bless you.
@awaitingthetrumpetcall4529
Жыл бұрын
@@kc-wk1kz *You:* _"...God and His word will guide us; including about what to do and what NOT to do; including to NOT accept the mark of the beast..."_ Since you know you can't take the mark you also know you will have no way to buy food and shelter for seven years. You cannot survive that long without food and shelter. According to the book of Revelation, in the tribulation the earth will be overrun with demons and demonized people. Your argument is that you will be on the earth with them. Matthew 16:18 *"...upon this rock I will build my ...church;... and the gates of hell shall ...not... prevail against it."* In contrast during the tribulation... Revelation 13:7 *"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to ...overcome... them:..."* Both statements are true. Please note that the second verse says saints. It does not say church.
@kc-wk1kz
Жыл бұрын
@@awaitingthetrumpetcall4529 There is NO PREtribulation rapture. Please prayerfully reread all of God's word and ask Him to show you the truth of the matter.
@TheStemo1
2 жыл бұрын
"AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, etc. and THEN the sign of the Son of Man will appear and He will gather His elect"
@DevotedGospel1
2 жыл бұрын
Matthew 24 is about the Second Coming which will take place at the end of the Tribulation. The Rapture which is a different event will happen pre-trib.
@stevenmonson4620
2 жыл бұрын
@@DevotedGospel1 a secret rapture isn't stated anywhere and would make Jesus' second coming an actual third coming
@jimmymays1003
2 жыл бұрын
@@DevotedGospel1 please give a scripture. MacArthur sure never
@James-vz7rq
2 жыл бұрын
@@stevenmonson4620 have you ever heard of Daniel’s 70 weeks prophesy? Or the time of Jacob’s trouble? The whole context in matt 24 is Jews. You can clearly see that matt 24, mark 13 and luke 21 are all connected to jews. Matt 24:1-2 starts off with a reference to the jewish temple being thrown down. The church has nothing to do with it. V. 14 gospel of the kingdom. Gospel first preached to jews ( mark 1:14, matt 4:23) V. 15 holy place? (Jewish temple) abomination of desolation from Daniel? A prophesy from daniel given for the nation of Israel. ( go study daniel first in order to understand the 70 weeks prophesy) V. 16 those who are in Judea. Does the church live in judea? No,but jews do. V. 20 sabbath day? Does the church keep the sabbath? No but Jews do. V. 23-26 People looking for their messiah. Are we looking for our messiah during this time? No, we already have him. But jews will. V. 32 fig tree. (reference to Israel) Mark 13:9 synagogues. Does the church have synagogues? No, jews do. Luke 21: 25 signs and wonders for jews. Fyi,Jews require signs 1 cor 1:22-23. Matt 24:29-31 are described in Isa 11:10-16 and 27:12-13. It’s the Gathering of the Jews after the tribulation. Jesus was quoting these prophesies from Isaiah. You cannot deny Jesus is speaking to Jews here. That doesn’t mean matt 24 is useless. We can learn principles from it devotionally but not as church doctrine or escathology. Remember that all scripture was written for us but not everything is written to us as doctrine for today. (not everything applies to the church, but we can learn from the whole Bible)
@James-vz7rq
2 жыл бұрын
@@jimmymays1003 it seems you are clueless of escathology. You confuse a lot of things. This isn’t wrath and judgement from Man. These judgements come from the hands of God rev 5:1 and only Jesus is capable of releasing these things to the world. It’s all coming from God. This tribulation is worse than any other because it Comes from God himself. I’ll show you what the Bible actually says about this time: half of the world population will die, ( 1/4th in the 4th seal rev 6:8, 1/3rd in the trumpet judgements rev 9:18 , stars ( meteors) will fall from the sky(rev 6:13), giant asteroids causing great tsunamis ( rev 8:8), earthquakes so big that will remove all islands and mountains of their place (rev 6:12-14, 16:18-20) 1/3 of the earth burned (rev 8:7,) 1/3 of the seas into blood, (rev 8:8,) 1/3 of sea creatures dead, (rev 8:9) 1/3 of rivers and fresh water to drink into blood and bitter (rev 8:10-11, 16:4,) 1/3 of the sun becomes dark probably causing hypothermia (rev 8:12) wild animals killing people rev 6:8, demonic creatures released from hell to torture and kill people. tortured for 5 months without dying because death will flee from them. only the 144k jews will be saved from these plagues. (rev 9:3-6.) giant Hail storms ( 35kg hails), rev 16:21, 11:19, 200 million demon army set loose to kill (rev 9:13-16), world hunger world famines world wars, time of terror, luke 21:11, 26, matt 24:7, sun burning people to torture rev 16:8-9, mark of the beast, persecution of beast, rev 13. death and hades set loose on earth, rev 6:7-8, there will be no peace rev 6:3-4, , peoples hearths failing for fear, Luke 21:26. people killing at will. Rev 6:3-4 Etc… this and much worse will happen during this time. Is this what you want? Do you really think God will pour out all these judgements on earth while the church is still here? God is a Sovereign Lord and He is in charge of everything, Not satan. He just uses the antichrist as a tool for His wrath. Just like he did with other people in Isa 10:5-15 and habakkuk 1:5-12. It’s God carrying his wrath through the antichrist. Don’t think that the ac or satan will do whatever they want. They only do what God wants and allows them to do. That’s called God’s Sovereignty. Jesus releases the antichrist to the world in the first seal. Don’t think that it’s satan’s wrath. God allows satan to torture people as a tool for his wrath. God doesn’t always pour out his wrath directly. He also uses people or demons. This is what all post tribbers fail to understand when it comes to God’s wrath in the tribulation. God’s sovereignty. He does things how he wants, where he wants, when he wants and with whom he wants.
@Birch-tree
7 ай бұрын
Amen! I’m so grateful for God’s saving grace.
@spreadsomelight
Жыл бұрын
It's called the day of the Lord and not the time of tribulation. The day of the Lord is at his second coming and is very dark for those who do not belong to him. But those who belong to him are in the air with him by that time. He will rapture us first before he makes vengeance on their enemies.
@klausmkl
Жыл бұрын
The Rapture is at the Last trump.
@spreadsomelight
Жыл бұрын
@@klausmkl exactly
@trulyso734
Жыл бұрын
Q for clarification of your point. The 2Thess 2 'Day of the Lord' refers directly to His second coming.. the day of His triumphant return with a great archangelic host and a whole lot of past saints who have died/rested and risen in the Lord as per 1Thess 4:16-17 followed in quick succession in an angelic trumpet procession the saints will hear. Yes? And if so, the 'pre trib' hope of joining them in the air is meant for the church of believers today to make ready for (as per Rev 3:10-12). Paul's 1Thess 5 prophecy will come to pass.
@Nomad58
Жыл бұрын
@@trulyso734your insane. Go read what you write. Good grief
@trulyso734
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Amen.
@ManuelPinner
9 ай бұрын
Hallelujah Hallelujah to Our Jesus Christ! I Can't Wait to be Rapture Soon!
@F15CEAGLE1
8 ай бұрын
MARANATHA. REVELATION 3:10!!
@MarkCurtis-eh3ue
5 ай бұрын
@@F15CEAGLE1 what does Revalation 3:10 do with?
@F15CEAGLE1
5 ай бұрын
@@MarkCurtis-eh3ue My belief is that this is referencing the Church Age saints who are kept from (not through) the hour of temptation (strong delusion) that is faced by the post-rapture, left behind persons referred to as "earth dwellers." Church Age saints do not enter into the 7-year tribulation, as they have been raptured. Lee Brainard/ Dr. Andy Woods/Chuck Missler are good expositors on this. I also believe this is the "blessed hope" referred to in Titus 2:13. As always, Acts 17:11 applies to each of us, so that's my understanding of it.
@MarkCurtis-eh3ue
5 ай бұрын
@@F15CEAGLE1 I respect all people's beliefs and their interpretation of Scripture. I do not know everything about eschatology..where I stand right now is that parousia is a one time event for the entire body "eclassia" which includes both Jew and Gentile! As Mathew 24:29-31 tells me that immediately after the days of tribulation, then in 31 it tells me the angels gather his elect (all believers) I only see one spot of Ressurection occurring. This is revelation 20:4-6. The 5th seal souls are still under the altar resting.. Rev 6: 9-11.....and verse 12-14 describes the same as Matthew 24: 29-31. Rev 20 :4-6 the souls under the altar come to life..with this said...if this is the case, rapture will follow this although this is only talked about in 1 Thes 4:15-17...also in 2 Thes verse 3&4 says before any of this happens, 2 things happen first that we all will see with our eyes. So much more to say but in brief, I just wanted your thoughts because bi was a pretribber for 28 years and no longer am. I was forced to read the scriptures and stop listening to everyones teaching. Honestly, I don't care what view anyone holds, we are in Christ is all that matters. I just seen your F15 Eagle1 and thought that was awesome because Im a fighter aircraft lover! 😄. Another thing is, I made a friend by messaging on here, we messaged back and forth awhile, decided to exchange emails, all of a sudden I can't message this person anymore and this person thought I was avoiding so the messaging stopped. I did nothing, after like 20 messages, nothing else went thru. Just curious if this happened to you? Do I have to be a member on here or something? I'm surprised my message went thru to you and it was a test also to see if you got it, plus I wanted your thoughts on what you said. Anyway, long story.....still long, lol. Greta to hear from you my brother!
@MarkCurtis-eh3ue
5 ай бұрын
@@F15CEAGLE1 totally understand but this means the body is separated? I thought we are one body throughout scripture sharing in sufferings and rejoicing in victories Romans 11 Ephesians 3
@sukiwomoto5329
Жыл бұрын
Remember brethren that the trying of our faith worketh patience; that tribulations worketh patience; that we are waiting peitient for the coming of the Lord who say "Here is the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus". These are they who endured to the very end brethren. May God bless you.
@earlysda
Жыл бұрын
Amen, Suki. And those commandments include the commandment to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy.
@earlysda
Жыл бұрын
@@Jasperstone43100 CJ, thank you for your long comment. I wonder if you make similarly long comments trying to erase God's commands to refrain from bowing to idols, blaspheming his name, or commiting adultery, etc.? . Or is it just the only commandment that God specifically said to "Remember" that you wish to forget? . Resting on Jesus' holy 7th day Sabbath is rest. Working on that day is work. Currently, you are promoting the direct opposite of what the Bible states. I call on you to repent, turn from evil, and start following Jesus, who always kept the 7th day Sabbath holy.
@earlysda
Жыл бұрын
@@Jasperstone43100 CJ, By resting on God's 7th day Sabbath according to the commandment (just like those women who watched Jesus be buried), I am RESTING in Jesus. . Why do you think that breaking God's command by WORKING on his day he commanded us to rest, is somehow "resting"? . No one has an eraser big enough or strong enough to erase what God wrote with his own finger in stone. . "If you love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15. You can start showing your love for Jesus in a dramatic way at sundown today - May 5, 2023. Won't you join myself and millions of other Christians who wish to rest in Jesus on his holy rest day, instead of disobeying and trying to work out our own salvation?
@jacobso223
Жыл бұрын
Please read Luke 21; 34-36; John 14: 1- 6; 1st Thesalonian 2; and Revelation 3: 10. Then what is your ultimate conclusion. Jesus will just lift us from the earth to the cloud during the rapture. He won't come down to the earth. So, the rapture is the rescue of Jesus for his church. We will come with Jesus in his second coming 7 years after the rapture.
@earlysda
Жыл бұрын
@@jacobso223 jacob, none of the verses you gave overturn Jesus' words that his faithful followers will go thru "Great Tribulation". . Beware of man-made doctrines!
@joymahiko
Жыл бұрын
Just WAIT for it. All questions will be answered.
@F15CEAGLE1
8 ай бұрын
Those not in the pre-trib camp will be pleasantly surprised to understand they were in error, and realize that God has returned to fulfill the Abrahamic covenants with the Jews.
@Myjesus-1
2 жыл бұрын
Jesus actually told us when he is coming. He said that AFTER THE TRIBULATION the sun will be darkened and the moon won't give its light and we will see the Son Of Man coming on the clouds with power and great glory. He said that he is coming AFTER THE TRIBULATION. Paul said that we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye on the LAST TRUMPET and the dead will be resurected. Paul said that the resurrection is on the last trumpet which is after the TRIBULATION. Martha said to Jesus concerning the death of Lazarus, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the LAST DAY. Martha said that the resurrection is on the last day which is after the TRIBULATION. Jesus also said, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him and I will raise him up on the LAST DAY. " (John 6:44) Jesus said that he is coming AFTER THE TRIBULATION and he will raise up the dead on THE LAST DAY which is after the TRIBULATION. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 also confirms this: "We who are alive and left until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep." The Book Of Revelation tells about God's saints being killed during the coming Tribulation which is proof that there is no rapture. When Paul spoke about those who are alive and left until the coming of the Lord, he was speaking about the saints who made it through the Tribulation to the end.
@kelvinbarber1765
Жыл бұрын
U r correct there is no pre-tribulation rapture. You must make until the end.
@topper9915
Жыл бұрын
Truth
@jayonnaj18
Жыл бұрын
God's saints who will be persecuted/killed at that time are not the saints of the Body of Christ, but saints who believe on Christ once they see we of this grace dispensation have been taken up in the Rapture! Many will put their trust in Almighty God AFTER we are gone, and THOSE saints are the ones who will face those horrific times! We believers will be caught up to meet Jesus in the AIR, He won't be coming to this earth at that time, and we will forever be with Him! See 1 Thessalonians 4:13 - 18! The Rapture or the catching away, then, of the saints of Christ's Body, dead and alive, is NOT His second coming! See Ephesians 3:2 describing the DISPENSATION OF THE GRACE OF GOD which the Lord revealed ONLY to the Apostle Paul to tell us saints who are currently living in this GRACE DISPENSATION! Pastor MacArthur's teaching from Holy Scripture is spot on!!! Those saints who made it through the "tribulation" to the end, as you say, are NOT the saints of this dispensation we are now living in!
@christopherchikumbi3916
Жыл бұрын
I'm supporting this position of pre tribulation rapture because it answers many questions. We still have own little tribulations around because this what Christ warned us about. But the day of the Lord is a day of vengeance against the enemies of God and not against believers! Why should I exposed to his vengeance when there is no condemnation of those who is Christ Jesus? Rapture makes sense!
@bairfreedom
Жыл бұрын
Yea, Jesus and Paul say the same thing. That is why Paul says in 2 Thess " That time cannot come UNTIL, the great apostacy comes first THEN the man of lawlessness is revealed" Then he says how he will be revealed. Pretty much gonna say he is God and to worship him etc. etc. Paul repeats Jesus " immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days" I am a pre wrath guy because Paul and Jesus also match up on some kind of event on the rapture. You see, there is still no wrath by seal 5. We know this because all of the people being martyred for their faith are crying out for God to pour out his wrath and God tells them to wait a bit longer. In Rev we don't see the wrath of God till like seal 6 or 7 RIGHT BEFORE his wrath pours out a multitude just pops into the throne room. I'm not sure how so many miss this. I personally believe THAT is the rapture. Right before he pretty much exterminates 99% of mortal man from the face of the earth.
@philthephlier
4 ай бұрын
One of if not the best articulated presentations for a pre wrath deliverance of the body of Christ which will include many rapture naysayers.
@imeldacabornay2149
Жыл бұрын
I listen to all the pre-tribulation rapture believers because I agree with them and we are Bride of Christ so we won't be here when He pours His wrath during the 7- year tribulation. Please read 1 Thess chapter 5 and 2 Thess chapter 2.
@trulyso734
Жыл бұрын
Actually if Im not mistaken, that pre-trib harpazo/rapture snatching away hope mainly only holds up around the point Jesus made in Matthew 24 or the Luke's equivalent where He spoke of 1 being taken, 1 being left behind. But Id yet ask before the Lord if that be more an allegory picture illustrating that some of us will be taken to be with the Lord (ie through death and resurrection at the end) and some left standing alive after the beginnings of that tribulation to continue being a witness, just before His return upon the earth for armegeddon judgement time against the Antichrist world intent on bringing destruction to all the earth / all living human souls and creation itself.
@Daniel12.4Ministry
Жыл бұрын
Those that are alive and remain UNTO THE COMING OF THE LORD...
@garystanfield2274
Жыл бұрын
ANYWHERE YOU READ "THE LORD REPLACE IT WITH YAHWEH'S NAME THIS IS THE TRUE MESSIAH'S NAME. CHRISTIANITY IS OF SATAN.
@F15CEAGLE1
8 ай бұрын
The Messianic Jewish converts.
@markanthony3275
7 ай бұрын
Rev . makes it clear in four places that no Christian will survive the Tribulation and the antichrist . They are Rev 6:11, Rev 7:14-16, Rev 13:7 and Rev 13:15. So according to Revelation, there will be no one who is "alive and remains". That phrase is talking about something different...the pre-Trib rapture of the church.
@markanthony3275
4 ай бұрын
Revelation tells us in five places that no Christian survives the Tribulation and the antichrist. Rev 6:11 " They were told to wait a little longer until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be KILLED as they had been, was complete" Complete meaning ALL. Rev 7:14-16 " These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation...they will no longer hunger or thirst nor be scorched by the heat." Rev 13:7 " He was given the power to wage war with the saints and overcome them." Rev 13:15 " He was given power to give breath to the image so that it could even speak and cause all who refused to worship the beast or take his name or number, to be KILLED." Rev 20:5 " And I saw the souls who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus." There will be no one who is "alive and remains" to see the second coming of Christ, that verse must apply to another event...the pre-trib rapture.
@josephbarbera9220
Жыл бұрын
I enjoy his biblical understanding of the Holy Scriptures!
@pparrker5420
Жыл бұрын
He's a clown and a dangerous one .
@garystanfield2274
Жыл бұрын
HE DOESN'T THOUGH.
@easttexan2933
Жыл бұрын
@josephbarbera9220 he understands it this way because he is a dispensationalist and dispensationalist have to have a rapture before the day of the LORD. But this is not what the bible actually teaches. Jn 6:39,40,44,54,64 and Heb 9:27-28 only speak of a second coming. Read all of Matt 24. Don't you think Jesus would have said something about a rapture in this lengthy explanation of his coming again to restore the kingdom? 1Cor15:51 and 1Ths4:13-17 are describing the same day, but Paul says in 2Ths2 that the apostacy and the anti-Christ have to be revealed first. Are you one of those believers in Jn 6:39,40? Of course you are !! And when did Jesus say he would call you up out of the grave? Yeah, you got it. The last day. Not 7 years prior to the last day.
@TheFightingSheep
11 ай бұрын
He confuses tribulation with wrath. Tribulation is what Satan and his children do to the saints. Wrath is what God does to Satan and his children in order to avenge his saints. Search the whole Bible, you will never find tribulation described as wrath, vengeance or the day of the Lord.
@F15CEAGLE1
8 ай бұрын
Even though he is a Calvinist, some of his teachings are good.
@larrybedouin2921
Жыл бұрын
“And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again AT THE LAST DAY.” “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.” {John 6:39-40} “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.” {John 6:44} “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.” {John 6:64} But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's *at his coming* {1 Corinthians 15:23}
@easttexan2933
Жыл бұрын
Larry, amen and amen. No mention of a secret resurrection. Ever. People are so confused.
@easttexan2933
Жыл бұрын
larry, another way of looking at this is this; Paul got his doctorate of theology from Jesus U. I don't think he is confused about two second comings.
@beatlesrgear
7 ай бұрын
@@easttexan2933 The Rapture is not a secret doctrine or event. Even seculars know about it. When Jesus comes in the clouds, that is NOT a coming to Earth. So, your argument is null & void.
@markanthony3275
4 ай бұрын
Last day of what? The Church age /fulness of the Gentiles or the Tribulation? Your scripture doesn't answer that question...you need to dig a lot deeper to understand what the Bible teaches about the rapture.
@larrybedouin2921
4 ай бұрын
@@markanthony3275 "AT HIS COMING" that should be clear enough.
@markporter-thechurchhistor6784
Жыл бұрын
In dealing with “the day of the Lord”;the scriptures use what’s known as”the law of double reference”.Inotherwords,a prophecy can have a partial fulfilment in the present or near future,and a total fulfilment in the far future.For example,in Isaiah 13:1-5,17 we see the near future of the prophecy whenever God will bring the Meds against Babylon.But there is also the far scope of the prophecy during the Tribulation period whenever this prophecy will effect the whole World-Vrs 6-16.Prophecy is a wee bit like the weather forecast,you have the forecast for the day,tomorrow and the seven day forecast.So with the day of the Lord.The day of the Lord occurred whenever the Medo-Persians came against Babylon.That’s already happened.But you also have the day of the Lord starting with the future Tribulation period,and spanning through the Second coming of Christ to earth,right through the Millennium to whenever the heavens will pass away with a great noise-Revelation 6:17,1 Peter 3:10-13.The body of Christ,true believers in Jesus,are not appointed to wrath but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.Therefore we are to wait for His Son from Heaven who delivers us from(not through)the wrath to come(the Tribulation period-Revelation 6:17)-1 Thessalonians 5:9,1:10.But you also have the actual day of the Lord whenever Christ will return to earth-Zechariah 14:4.In revelation chapter 4 the 24 elders(Those who are saved before the tribulation period)are already in heaven-Revelation 4:4,5:8-10.Whereas the Tribulation period does not start until revelation chapter six.Therefore the church is already in heaven before the tribulation period commerce’s on Earth.Moreover the number 24 is a complete number;this means that all the body of Christ from Pentecost to the catching up of the church(the 24 Elders)in Revelation 4:4,is a complete body,before the tribulation commerce’s in revelation chapter six.Therefore it’s not a case of some Christians in heaven before the tribulation and some still on earth.No,the body of Christ is complete in Heaven in revelation chapter four.Those who come to faith in Jesus during the tribulation period are not part of the body of Christ,the one new man-Ephesians 2:15-16.But are tribulation saints,ie,those who have been saved in the tribulation period-Revelation 7:14.Therefore I hold to a pre tribulation rapture.But I do however,love and respect my brothers and sisters in Christ who hold to a different eschatological viewpoint.Blessings in Christ 📖✝️
@beatlesrgear
7 ай бұрын
Well said, brother. You're spot on!
@markporter-thechurchhistor6784
3 ай бұрын
@@ernie-rz9iv yes but if you read my comment you will see that the scope of the day of the Lord includes much more than just the rapture of the Church before the Tribulation.
@markporter-thechurchhistor6784
3 ай бұрын
@@ernie-rz9iv No probs👍👍
@JacquelineFrankneeKenyon
2 ай бұрын
Pretribulation ❤ In eschatology, it is important to remember that almost all Christians agree on these three things: 1) there is coming a time of great tribulation such as the world has never seen, 2) after the Tribulation, Christ will return to establish His kingdom on earth, and, 3) there will be a Rapture-a translation from mortality to immortality-for believers (John 14:1-3;1 Corinthians 15:51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). The question is when does the Rapture occur in relation to the Tribulation and the Second Coming of Christ? Through the years three main theories have emerged concerning the timing of the Rapture: pretribulationism (the belief that the Rapture will occur before the Tribulation begins), midtribulationism (the belief that the Rapture will occur at the midpoint of the Tribulation), and posttribulationism (the belief that the Rapture will occur at the end of the Tribulation). This article deals specifically with the pretribulational view. Pretribulationism teaches that the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation starts. At that time, the church will meet Christ in the air, and then sometime after that the Antichrist is revealed and the Tribulation begins. In other words, the Rapture and Christ’s Second Coming (to set up His kingdom) are separated by at least seven years. According to this view, the church does not experience any of the Tribulation. Scripturally, the pretribulational view has much to commend it. For example, the church is not appointed to wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:9-10, 5:9), and believers will not be overtaken by the Day of the Lord (1 Thessalonians 5:1-9). The church of Philadelphia was promised to be kept from “the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world” (Revelation 3:10). Note that the promise is not preservation through the trial but deliverance from the hour, that is, from the time period of the trial. Pretribulationism also finds support in what is not found in Scripture. The word “church” appears nineteen times in the first three chapters of Revelation, but, significantly, the word is not used again until chapter 22. In other words, in the entire lengthy description of the Tribulation in Revelation, the word church is noticeably absent. In fact, the Bible never uses the word "church" in a passage relating to the Tribulation. Pretribulationism is the only theory which clearly maintains the distinction between Israel and the church and God’s separate plans for each. The seventy “sevens” of Daniel 9:24 are decreed upon Daniel’s people (the Jews) and Daniel’s holy city (Jerusalem). This prophecy makes it plain that the seventieth week (the Tribulation) is a time of purging and restoration for Israel and Jerusalem, not for the church. Also, pretribulationism has historical support. From John 21:22-23, it would seem that the early church viewed Christ’s return as imminent, that He could return at any moment. Otherwise, the rumor would not have persisted that Jesus would return within John’s lifetime. Imminence, which is incompatible with the other two Rapture theories, is a key tenet of pretribulationism. And the pretribulational view seems to be the most in keeping with God’s character and His desire to deliver the righteous from the judgment of the world. Biblical examples of God’s salvation include Noah, who was delivered from the worldwide flood; Lot, who was delivered from Sodom; and Rahab, who was delivered from Jericho (2 Peter 2:6-9). Excerpt got questions.
@calvalita
9 ай бұрын
So Thankful for this TRUTH
@RichardClark-i6b
2 ай бұрын
Watch Dr Michael Brown on the subject
@AdamRojas
7 ай бұрын
Thank you KING JESUS
@eddiehaywood5392
Жыл бұрын
Its amazing to me how many Christians believe the Church will have to suffer the tribulation. God has always protected His people from Noah's flood, the passover, Moses leading God's people out of Egypt. Just to name a few
@stevergee
6 ай бұрын
Untold millions of believers will be a part- of the 5th seal martyrs, this will be from the 10 day persecution that will happen just before the beast destroys the harlot. The Harlot will kill more believers than the Beast will. So while there is no 7 year tribulation, there will be serious persecution of believers. Your best bet is to be in that first rapture of the Child. Rev 12:5 Peace out Bro.
@misioyoggi
6 ай бұрын
If you read Church history throughout the centuries there is no doubt that the it has gone through some of the worst suffering imagineble
@formless4541
5 ай бұрын
tribulation was already happening before the flood, the flood was the wrath of God which Noah was saved from. Lot was already suffering tribulation before God rained fire down on Sodom, which was the wrath of God. Moses and israel was already suffering tribulation (they were slaves, a fate worse than death), before Gods wrath poured out plagues and freed them before destroying pharoah - very much resembling revelation. And the church will have tribulation during the time of the beast before God pours out his wrath starting with the vials and the day of his return
@formless4541
5 ай бұрын
@@stevergee All first 5 seals have already been playing out from soon after christs resurrection, and are still playing out, they aren't future only events. Only the 6th/7th seal is future only. Christ laid this out clearly in the olivet discourse, false christs and prophets (white horse) started appearing almost immediately and we see them now, also wars (red horse), famine (black horse), pestilence and famine and sword and beasts together (pale horse), persecution of saints (5th seal martys) - all happening from the time of the apostles and will continue until the return of christ just after the Sun and moon darkening (6th seal). I find it very hard to believe these are mere coincidences. The confusion comes from assuming the rider and white horse (1st seal), is THE antichrist, or even christ himself, or just christianity. And many assume a 4th of the population will be killed (maybe during the black death thats the only explanaion), but it never says anything of the sort. It says power over a 4th of the earth whether by population or area, not a 4th of the people killed. Hitler had power over the whole of france to kill, but he didn't kill all french people, the simple language has been twisted into something it isn't The first major population decline will be at the 6th trumpet.
@stevergee
4 ай бұрын
@@formless4541 well this is just my opinion, but we did not really get into the book of Revelation until we saw the great sign of the woman giving birth to the child in the starry heavens on 9/23/2017, exactly on the feast of Trumpets. The next to look for in this timeline will be when the woman (Nation of Israel) goes into travail. This will be the Gog Magog war in Israel. I am looking for this start sometime in early October this year, if indeed the final return will be in 2028.
@Back2TheBike
Жыл бұрын
Open your Bible to the longest prophecy from from the greatest prophet (Matt24, Luke 21, Mark 13). Read it from start to finish. It couldn't be more clear, Jesus doesn't return until after the trib. Get ready for trouble. Then glory.
@kickpublishing
2 жыл бұрын
It’s not complex. We’re gone before divine judgement but we’re not gone before that wicked one appears. I call that mid-satanic-trib but pre-divine wrath. Ie we’ll be persecuted by evil men but not by God who will scoop us out then show THEM what real tribulation looks like.
@kelvinbarber1765
Жыл бұрын
All believers will die by guillotine for Christ.
@cdye7003
Жыл бұрын
I completely agree. This is what I believe is most Biblical.
@trulyso734
Жыл бұрын
First things first, the Church body needs to be fellowshipping with her Lord over Rev 1-3 and make sure she is ready as per Rev 3:10. (Yes it is written the point of the tribulation is to test the hearts of those who do not belong to Him.. to get a final chance to call on Him then to be saved before the great woes/reserved judgement wraths of God pour out on the whole world who do wickedly following The Antichrist beast. They may even hear the angelic shout not to take that beast's 666 mark, and there will even be a couple of God's witnesses in Israel perhaps at the same time then, preceding our Lord's return there. For in no uncertain terms, those who take that mark will not be saved as they wohud have fallen for a great delusion).
@larrybedouin2921
Жыл бұрын
“Remember the word that I said unto you, *The servant is not greater than his lord* If they have persecuted me, *they will also persecute you* if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.” “But all these things *will they do unto you for my name's sake* because they know not him that sent me.” {John 15:20-21} “I pray *not* that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest *keep* them from the evil.” {John 17:15}
@larrybedouin2921
Жыл бұрын
The tribulation is not the wrath of God, but of the persecuted remnant of God's people. Like the in the days of Jesus Christ first advent, these persecutions will come from both church [fallen] and state. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. {Revelation 12:17} And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and *the dragon gave him his power and his seat and great authority* {Revelation 13:2}
@louissmith4218
11 ай бұрын
I’m thankful for sound doctrine
@RandyRoth-mo3lz
9 ай бұрын
I don't like being lied to. Every argument for a rapture is birthed out of deceit! 1) Paul calls the event "the resurrection of the dead... 1 Cor 15:42-55, which is what he didn't want us ignorant about in 1 Thess 4;13-18. This is not some new event that Paul revealed of a rapture that he directly called "the resurrection of the dead" nine verses earlier. 2) No man knows the day or the hour that the heavens are destroyed.... Matt 24:35-42.... not a rapture event that was conjured to happen 7 years prior.... Job shows this event to be the resurrection of the dead... Job 14;12... which occurs when the heavens are destroyed... and Christ comes "like a thief in the night"... 2 Peter 3:10. 3) The foundation of a rapture doctrine is a 7 year trib.... just three events of Revelation show 7 years and 5 months.... the first woe... Rev 9:5 is 5 months, the 2nd woe is a MINIMUM of 42 months and/or 1263.5 days long. This woe is declared OVER... no overlap in Rev 11;14. The rapturists inform us that the 1st and 2nd beast of Rev 13 come afterward. The first beast lasts 3.5 years.
@F15CEAGLE1
8 ай бұрын
You are not Jacob.
@RandyRoth-mo3lz
8 ай бұрын
and you are not F1eagle1... Your point has absolutely no validity... instead you start with a lie of men, and then build upon it. The Olivet Discourse starts with Jesus saying, "Take heed that no man deceive you...", and ends with "What I say to you I say to all.." They lie that Jesus was speaking this passage to the "Jew only" is just that... a flat out lie. The cult of dispensationalism has the idea that 'rightful division" is taking only the good promises that are in Scripture and dumping all the unwanted passages off on the Jews.... such wickedness is addressed with 2 Peter 3;15-17@@F15CEAGLE1
@RandyRoth-mo3lz
8 ай бұрын
Your deception is understood.... you were lied to and told that the Olivet Discourse was for the "Jews only"... and totally ignore the fact that Christ ends it with, "what I say to you I say to all"... Every argument for a rapture is birthed out of deceit... even the term 'rapture is deceitful.@@F15CEAGLE1
@trevorkuun199
9 ай бұрын
Spot on, this makes perfect sense.
@jeffjurras7776
4 ай бұрын
Amen brother
@Believerkd
Жыл бұрын
Preach Pastor!!!
@Bruce_Peters
10 ай бұрын
"The comfort comes because we are snatched out." LIE. It comes because of the RESURRECTION. There is absolutely no mention of a rapture into heaven to escape a Tribulation. LIE LIE LIE JMAc. Shame on you.
@UPROAR1
10 ай бұрын
Hallelujah!!!🙏💞✨
@xKiLLzZx1
Жыл бұрын
I think there are two strong arguments for pre-tribulation that are hard if not impossible to counter with a mid or post trib view: 1. If rapture was mid or post tribulation, then why did all the christians live with the view, that Christ could return anytime? Is it really like a "thief" when you know exactly that he only returns after the tribulation? That doesn't make any sense. 2. God said that the Antichrist will be revealed once the "one who is holding back" will be removed (which is the Holy Spirit). In a mid / post tribulation view this would mean that saved Christians would lose the Holy Spirit dwelling in them as he would be removed. That contradicts God promise.
@MarkCurtis-eh3ue
5 ай бұрын
Thew holy Spirit isn't removed, he's taken out of the way. Holy Spirit is always here, but it will be a time when he stops restraining for the appointed time of Jacobs trouble. This period is not about the church, the Jews etc...its about God's plan of fulfilling his promises and Eschaton. It's all about Jesus. Remember also we are ONE body in Christ. We suffer together, we endure together. Jesus returns one time only! Matthew 24:29-31. This is Ressurection/Rapture---Parousia. This also is spoken of in the tearing of 6th seal in Revalation! Pre trib is false teaching
@magamilitarymom6739
4 ай бұрын
It is Michael the archangel who is holding him back. Imminence was never taught. That is a misconception.
@MarkCurtis-eh3ue
4 ай бұрын
It's a thief in the night for unbelievers! We believers will know what's going on. Read the entire chapter in context and you will clearly see this. 2. The holy spirit is never "removed" ...he stops restraining. Holy Spirit is omniscient and fills everything. It is the holy spirit who draws us into repentance and softens our hearts when we receive Jesus, with that said....there will be spirit filled believers...144,000 sealed for example, and people who will come to faith during this time! Holy Spirit is NOT removed.....he backs off to allow for Jacobs trouble! Nobody knows the DAY NOR HOUR, but we definitely will know when he comes as he foretold us and we aren't in the dark because we belong to the light!
@squirreljones3595
3 ай бұрын
Thief in the night means the day you die The church rapture is at judgement day John 6 39 40 44 54 Jesus says at the LAST DAY four times That's why you can't find one Bible verse that promised the thousand year reign to the church Revelation 20 4 ........... and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and THEY lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years The church doesn't need a resurrected body for anything until New Jerusalem Daniel 12 2 And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Jesus is always truth The church rapture is after the thousand year reign The ten virgins story proves it too
@MarkCurtis-eh3ue
3 ай бұрын
The thief is for those not ready! True Born Again Believers are ready so it won't be like a thief! We do know the times we just do not know the day nor the hour! The elect chosen by God in Christ and are sealed....we are ready.. as for the rest, hypocrites, all the others.... They more than likely will be deceived because God will send a strong delusion just as it says in Romans 1
@jimparker7778
Жыл бұрын
His salvation is real and eternal. All others deceive and fail. More great preaching from John's pulpit
@joybarrientos3549
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your nice explination about the word God
@notweary9804
3 жыл бұрын
2 SEPERATE EVENTS** *#1)"Rapture"-Jesus COMING in the Clouds* with power and Great ***GLORY*** and GATHERING His Church, feet not touching the earth: **Matt.**24:30**-31** *#2) "2nd Coming"- Jesus riding a white horse, COMING* with the Armies of heaven and DESTRUCTION, **Rev.19:11-21** NO SCRIPTURES show Jesus coming in the Clouds at PRE Tribulation. THESE are *"the 2nd Coming"* Rev.19:11-21 Rev.16:17-21 Rev.14:17-20 Pre Trib is a LIAR. *Simplified Maximum:* Rapture-Matt.24:30-31 2nd Coming- Rev.19:11-21 Pre Trib- NO Book, NO Chapter, NO Verses.
@notweary9804
3 жыл бұрын
**Titus **2:13** Blessed Hope* ***GLORIOUS APPEARING*** **Rapture: Jesus coming in the Clouds with power and Great *****GLORY:***** Matt.24:30-31 Mark 13:26-27 Luke 21:27 Rev. 1:7 Rev.14:14-16 Dan.7:13-14 NO SCRIPTURES show Jesus coming in the Clouds at PRE TRIBULATION.
@notweary9804
3 жыл бұрын
*WRATH is AAAAAAFTER the 7th Trumpet, so saith:* #1)The 24 Elders, *Rev.11:15-*18-19* #2)The Holy Spirit inspired John, *Rev.15:1, 7* #3)THE VOICE from THE Temple, *Rev.16:1* *Rev.6:*17 is AAAAAAFTER the 6th Seal is opened and are the words of FEARFUL *men** which contradict the 3 Witnesses of Scripture posted above. *JUDGEMENT of the people of Earth* comes AAAAAAFTER the number of MARTYRS is completed, **Rev.6:9-11* which comes AAAAAAFTER the first 3 1/2 years: *Dan.**7:25**-27* *Dan.12:*7* *Rev.13:*7* The 2 Witnesses are MARTYRED Resurrected Called Up and ***REWARDED*** at the LAST TRUMPET: ***Rev.11:*12-*18-19*** When the MYSTERY of God is FINISHED in the days of ***THE VOICE*** of the 7th angel: ***Rev.10:5-*7**
@DevotedGospel1
3 жыл бұрын
Obviously, you've merged the Rapture and the Second Coming. The Rapture will take place before the Tribulation. Read John 14:1-3, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 abd 1 Corinthians 15:51-53. At the Rapture, the Lord Jesus will come for the believers. All the dead in Christ will rise first and those who are alive and remain will be CAUGHT UP (harpazo in Greek, rapturo or rapio in Latin, where we get the word Rapture) together to meet the Lord IN THE AIR. It says, "IN THE AIR," which means the Lord will not come down to earth. This is in contrast with Zechariah 14:4 where "His (JESUS) feet will stand on the Mount of Olives. After meeting the Lord in the air, the "CHANGE" mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:52 will take place. Every believer, those who have already died and those who are still alive at that time, will receive their glorified bodies. And then, Jesus will take His saints with glorified bodies to heaven as He promised in John 14:1-3. Why does the glorification have to take place before going to heaven? It's because nothing perishable can enter heaven. Please read the verses I mentioned in 1 Corinthians. The Second Coming, on the other hand, takes place at the end of the Tribulation when Jesus will come back to earth with His saints and He will defeat the Antichrist. This is what we read in Matthew 24. The Day of the Lord is the TRIBULATION. You may want to go back to the verses mentioned by MacArthur. Don't confuse the Rapture with the Second Coming. Shalom.
@DevotedGospel1
3 жыл бұрын
Wondering why the saints will go to heaven? This is when the 7-year Tribulation (The Day of the Lord) is happening on earth. The redeemed believers are not destined to the "wrath of the Lamb" that will be poured out on the earth (1 Thessalonians 5:9-10). Jesus already paid the price for the sins of those who will trust in Him, why should they suffer the wrath that will be poured out during the Tribulation? And if you want to study further, the Tribulation, called Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7) is not for the church. The Church is not Israel (Jacob)! Unless you believe in Replacement Theology. God will use the Tribulation to draw His people (Israel) back to Himself and also to judge and punish the unbelieving world. Why would you think believers in Christ will suffer during this terrible Day of the Lord? You want to study further? Read the book of Revelations and you will notice that the church is not mentioned beginning in chapter 4 until chapter 18 where the events during Tribulation are described. In fact, in chapter 4, John's vision shifts to heaven. The church is not mentioned again until we get to Revelation 19 when they are seen following the Rider on the white horse (the Lamb). We did a detailed Bible study on End Time Events in our Bible study in Church. If you are interested, I can send you the entire lesson. I encourage you to look at Scriptures very carefully and ask the guidance of the Holy Spirit. God bless you.
@denisestacey3681
8 ай бұрын
Matthew 24:29-31**** For truth!!!!!
@studygodsword5937
7 ай бұрын
Why are you so concerned about the Jews end ???
@denisestacey3681
7 ай бұрын
We're connected,grafted into Israel. Plus they're our Lord's Covenant people. Why are YOU NOT???
@MarkCurtis-eh3ue
6 ай бұрын
Yes and this is also again in Revalation 6:12.....and this leads us to Revalation 20:4-6! (Souls under the altar still waiting resurrection) and all of the dead in Christ!!!! Hallelujah for clear understanding scriptures. First ressurection/and with that finally the Catching up (rapture of Believers or Ecclesia and the entire body of Christ ...ALL OF THEM not just some as taught in pre-trib) ...so why do people teach a pre-trib when the Bible clearly teaches exactly when ressurection occurs in history! Now we do not know the day nor the hour, but we certainly aren't left in the dark to wonder when this happens! We are not in the dark, but we belong to the light so this day shall not take us by surprise!!!!! Tribulation is t just 7 years. It's right now, and always has been...just ask Stephen, probably the first martyr in the new testament. He's under the altar right now waiting!
@denisestacey3681
6 ай бұрын
Yes your right on target but one thing...The great tribulation is 3 1/2 years. He has shortened the days also,thank God. Amen Mark to your reply!!! 💝
@denisestacey3681
6 ай бұрын
I agree but times call for a stand against lies. YESHUAH didn't let it slid nor will I on your point.
@SCAM-BUSTER.777
2 ай бұрын
Be VERY VERY CAREFUL when you read the comments. There are quite a number of: 1 . Misinterpretations. 2 . Opinions. 3 . Hopes. 4 . Assumptions and self predictions Please get your Truths from: Professional teachers who have been studying the Holy Bible for decades. Not from amateur Christians who have only been studying the Holy Bible for a few years. Bad fallen angels also know the Holy Bible and love to join in Rapture videos and comments like this one. John MacArthur as got the correct interpretation. Nasty replies are not going to get us anywhere. Blessed are the Peacemakers . . . Blessed are the Meek . . . No! NOT "yes but"!!!
@denisestacey3681
2 ай бұрын
We're not to suffer GOD'S WRATH,at the end. Many don't understand prophecy!
@stevebell4356
11 күн бұрын
I am not sure how you were applying that to the timing of the tribulation. And the persecution of the church by the antichrist. There is a difference between that subject in the wrath that was being stored for us as sinners for the day of judgment, that we have been spared now by our faith in the blood of Jesus.
@denisestacey3681
11 күн бұрын
@stevebell4356 Matthew 24:29-31*** AT the end of tribulation we go up with Him,then God's wrath begins on the wicked. Read it also in Revelation.
@denisestacey3681
11 күн бұрын
@stevebell4356 I don't know where your getting that mindset. Yes many of the church for various reasons will be persecuted. Mainly for not bowing to antichrist. Jesus said He'd shorten those days for the elects sake.
@denisestacey3681
11 күн бұрын
@stevebell4356 If your a sinner as you say,unexpected yes you may suffer His wrath. So think about your faith & where it truly lays!!!!
@stevebell4356
10 күн бұрын
@@denisestacey3681 The wrath that we are being spared is the wrath that was being stored up for God’s righteous judgment, while we were sinners. This is scripture I was pointing out the difference between that statement, and it being used to say that with the church will not go through the tribulation. As you read the scriptures prayerfully, consider that the dead in Christ are raised first, then those who are alive and remain at his coming, very important statement at his coming, will be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye. Four times in the gospel of John Jesus said he will raise those who are his app on the last day these things happen at the last trumpet. The antichrist will make war with the Saints. Jesus told us to persevere, and he would be with us till the end of the age. The church has gone through. Tribulation since its inception. John writes the book of revelation as someone who has been tortured and imprisoned for the gospel.
@willpower6720
8 ай бұрын
Rapture is posttrib. It’s not debatable. 1. Resurrection PRECEDES the rapture. 1 Thessalonians 4. Dead in Christ shall rise first. 2. Jesus said the resurrection is on ‘the last day’ over and over and over in John 6. That is the last day of the age of grace. The last day of life without Christ. And so shall we ever be with the Lord. Obviously then this also means the rapture is on the last day since the resurrection PRECEDES THE RAPTURE. 3. The resurrection / rapture is in Rev 20:4. John says he saw the dead come to life. HERE is the resurrection and rapture. It’s post trib. AFTER Rev 5-19. The church goes through the tribulation. We will not experience Gods wrath just like Israel did not experience Gods wrath when He punished Egypt. Any other position other than a posttrib rapture twists and distorts Gods Word. Matthew 24:29-31 The Glorious Return “But immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days……..And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, ………….And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. --- Jesus Himself says that He is coming back for His church AFTER the tribulation. How can it get ANY CLEARER???? Stop with the false doctrine of a PreTrib rapture. This bad doctrine of escapism has got to be refuted. Too many people planning their escape instead of filling their lamp with oil.
@thesaltlakemine4686
Жыл бұрын
Spot on beautiful biblical teaching clearly explaining the difference in rapture(harpazo),it's timing and what the day of the Lord is.
@garystanfield2274
Жыл бұрын
tHE cATCHING UP AND THE DAY OF YAHWEH ALL HAPPENS AT HIS COMING.
@HB_IE52829
6 ай бұрын
Some argue that Noah and Lot also had to go through the "tribulation" of their time, the flood and the brimstone on Sodom. But thats a wrong argument. You cant look at Noah and Lot. You need to look at Enoch (who walked with God) - he was taken to heaven before the flood started. And you need to look at Abraham on the height of Hebron, while the wrath of God fall down on Lot in the plains of Sodom. Joseph in Genesis 41 'married' Asenath and this is another good example for the Lord saving his people before the 7 years of famine and tribulation already in the OT. It also meets the eye that the Book of Revelation is written to the 7 churches, but the 7 churches are ever mentioned in regard to the tribulation. Some argue that our faith is tested during the tribulation. But I cant see any evidence for that but for the opposite. When is taking all that pain of the tribulation starting to become "works"?. There are no other requirements mentioned for everlasting life and being saved but to call on the name of the Lord and His grace. (Romans 10:13). I think that view has likely the same unbiblical source as the purgatory. Maybe the wrong believe of purgatory is the source for thinking we all need to burn to become pure. But we become pure by the blood of Christ. Further I believe that there is confusion about "the last trumpet". Its the trumpet from Leviticus that start the movement of Gods people.Which those trumpets, the people "rise", they got up, ready to move. The trumpets in Revelation are Angelic trumpets. The actions in regard to each trumpet are mentioned with the number of the trumpet. The "last trumpet" is not one of those 7 trumpets. I pray that we all calm down a bit on this topic. There is too much excitement and anger "You just need to pray for understanding before reading and then you would get it..." or "You just want to go the easy route"...and sometimes the accusations are worse... If a simple prayer for getting the truth a 100% would always work for everyone, then we would not have any schism's and no discussion. Its all up to the will of God anyway and we all know - whatever will happen - it will be the very best for all of us because God is righteous and full of grace. But we need to practice unity, brethren! We are the body of Christ and within we need to act like Christ. Matthew 5:22: “But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.” We need to pray for the gift of love (1Cor13) and understand, that only Christ Jesus is the truth and we are all just seeking it. Be patient with those you disagree with. You cant be credited for begin patient which those you agree... God bless you!
@stephenmartin9393
Жыл бұрын
I was saved by Gods grace through faith on March 11, 1979. I was raised in a non evangelistic denomination but there I received a sense of God consciousness. Over a 6 year period I recall listening to the gospel message with a new set of eyes and ears. Much of what God used on me was a study of eschatology , or the study of end time events. I have considered the pre trib, mid trib and post tribulation presentations and a clear review of a timeline of what both old and new testaments presents brings me to the absolute conclusion that a pre tribulation rapture is the only viable conclusion that I can come to regarding the unfolding of end time events. You can clearly see that this present generation is now seeing worldwide events of God getting ready to send His Son to come for his bride. The Jews initially rejected Jesus Christ as their long awaited Messiah but with the coming of Jesus for His bride, the church, this will trigger them to reconsider that they missed Christ as their Messiah. World events are rapidly unfolding at an ever increasing rate as you can both read your bible with one hand and a newspaper or online news media with the other as this unfolds on an almost daily basis
@peterc2579
Жыл бұрын
Read Hebrews 11 and 12 where the early christains preferred a better resurrección and preferred to suffer with the people of God (like going thru the Great Trib. to witness their faith and even resist unto blood) and then chap. 12 how Jesús suffered y was mocked before going to be with his father in heaven.
@alanlietzke5738
Жыл бұрын
Any "Pre-Tribulation" Rapture is impossible, because The living....will never precede the fallen asleep [dead] (1Th 4:15), particularly those whom Jesus promised to resurrect within "The Last Day" (Jn 6:39-40,44,54). Accordingly, the rapture of the living can't possibly occur before "The Last Day", when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall (Mt 24:29), and the present heavens and earth are subsequently burned-up with intense heat (2Pet 3:19-12), making this day, the last day of this age, a day like no other (Jer 30:7).
@buck4472
Жыл бұрын
What makes you think that when the man of sin is revealed that would happen in the tribulation i think that right before the tribulation and the rapture. That can happen at any time. I don't think that he is going to reveal that who he is to the world but the church would see it.
@alanlietzke5738
Жыл бұрын
@@buck4472 Lots of opinions, but the Bible says, "The Man of Sin" must be revealed before "The Day of the LORD" (2Th 2-3). "The Day of the LORD" must also be preceded by the apostasy (2Th 2:3), as well as, a darkening of the sun and moon (Joel 2:31, Act 2:20). Such preconditions exclude imminence. Furthermore, "The Day of the LORD" is also the day when the present heavens and earth will be burned-up with intense heat (2Pet 3:10-12), thus, a day like no other (Jer 30:7),, the day, which Jesus called, "The Last Day" (Jn 6:39-40,44,54), the day when His Righteous are resurrected (Lk 24:14) and "Harpadzo" (raptured, 1Th 4:17), just before the wrath of God falls upon and destroys all the wicked (Is 13:6-13, Jer 46:10, Joel 1:15-3:15).
@peterc2579
Жыл бұрын
@@buck4472 the antichrist is going to set up a new economic system with the 666 and the Mark of the beast which at least 75% of the people living nowadays know about these terms. Plus he'll be persecuting christains so it'll be pretty obvious.
@jameszimmerman2965
2 ай бұрын
This was an excellent video - thankyou! John is spot on about the dilemma concerning the Thessalonians. Chuck Missler did a fantastic job speaking on the same subject...very much worth investigating. GOD bless you. The time is short. Keep looking up!
@deborahmoser9564
Жыл бұрын
AMEN ~ ! I also listen and agree with Hal Lindsey. A pre-tribulation; years and years of Revelation study.
@garystanfield2274
Жыл бұрын
hAL lINDSEY KNOWS NOTHING.
@F15CEAGLE1
8 ай бұрын
@@garystanfield2274And you are....???
@Jesusexplains
11 ай бұрын
@ 0:50 NO JOHN … the “comfort one another with these words” is in answer to the question “concerning them which are asleep” (2Cor5:8 KJV) those who “died in Christ” (believers) whom Jesus will bring with him (1Thess4:14 KJV) to be raised in their resurrected bodies - and NOT as you claim that they will be “snatched out” (Raptured) before Daniel’s 70th week begins. You are teaching a false “Left Behind” Pre-Tribulation doctrine that you be are one day going to be ashamed you ever taught!
@georgefeneysey619
Жыл бұрын
The 1 Thessalonians 4 passage DOES NOT tell us the WHEN of the snatching away, only the certainty of it. You cannot separate 1 Thessalonians 4 from 1 Thessalonians 5. It is all one dialogue.
@michaelbest7872
Жыл бұрын
George Feneysey I agree with what you posted. This passage does NOT tell of the WHEN moment. Many more scriptures tell of the WHEN moment, and it's no during some pre-trib moment. I wish it DID suggest a pre-trib rapture, but it doesn't. It only talks about a rapture. We need to read other scriptures to find out the WHEN moment, and there ARE scriptures that tell of the WHEN moment! Even Jesus Himself said WHEN the will happen! I'm thinking pre-trib believers don't know it, or have not read it, or if they DID read what Jesus Himself said about the rapture, they don't believe it, because it doesn't fit their pre-trib beliefs.
@georgefeneysey619
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelbest7872 well said and most agreeable. The amount of times I read the Lord's own words but was blind, wilfully so, to the when of it according to His own teaching. I chose to believe what I was taught when the when would happen ....UNTIL one day I read the same wards of the Lord Jesus and my eyes were opened. I was dumb struck. Why have I not seen this before ? And that's the problem, men seek to interpret the teaching of Christ and presume they know better. You know what I believe ? If the Lord Jesus came in person and began teaching us again, we would again seek to refute His teachings and argue with Him. Not all, but most. 🤔
@beatlesrgear
7 ай бұрын
@@michaelbest7872 DP-ih6nt (commenter up above) said it best: unless you understand why there is even the existence of a 70th Week of Daniel and what it is for, you will never be sure of whether we go thru it or not.
@winrockwelliii5646
5 ай бұрын
2 Thessalonians 2 : 1 - 5
@formless4541
4 ай бұрын
Not when as in dates, but I think it does as in the 7th trumpet. The Trump of God is mentioned and the 7th trumpet seems to be very clearly described as the Trump of God
@sorens70601
7 ай бұрын
JOHN MACARTHUR, the RAPTURE is Not in Any way, "Pre-Tribulational" !! The very Fact that the apostle PAUL, in 1.Cor.15:50-52 , tells us that; .. We as Flesh and Blood Human beings, Cannot Inherrit the Kingdom of God, as Mortality Cannot Inherit Immortality, neither can Corruption inherrit Incorruption !! Then in verse 51-52, Paul goes on to Explain, that; ..."We shall ALL be CANGED". And that this "One-Time Event of CHANGE", will include EVERY SINGLE Believer, Past and Present, up until the Time of this Singular Event, that will happen; ..." in a moment, in the Twinkling of an eye, at the Last Trump". All of which Dictates an End of Tribulation "Time-Line" !! As the Words, "We Shall ALL", Must Also include ALL the Tribulation "Martyrs", that according to 1.Thess.4;16 , are part of the "DEAD In CHRIST" that "RISE FIRST" !! And according to verse 17, that; ...."We that are ALIVE and REMAIN will be 'Caught-Up' ( Raptured ) TOGETHER With THEM ." ( Together with these "DEAD In CHRIST, that RISE FIRST" ) And these "Martyrs", according to Rev.20:4, are Not "Made Alive", until the "LAST DAY", of this "Present EVIL AGE", ( Gal.1:4, and Eph.1:21 ) that Jesus Also referred to in John.6:39-40, that of Raising-Up ALL that the Father has Given HIM, on the LAST DAY" !! And just happens to Coincide with the "Last Day" of the Tribulation !! Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
@Kman.
6 ай бұрын
I'll suggest you turn in w/ever "degree" you've got in theology my friend. Pfft...and to add "Biblical Theologian" to the end of your POST?!? *LOL* Wait...I should cry. *smh*
@christopherchikumbi3916
Жыл бұрын
Excellent teaching bringing comfort and hope to the soul! Thank you very much
@georgeenns238
Жыл бұрын
Except this preacher is deceiving people, it says the dead in Christ shall rise first, when will this happen??? Jesus give's the answer 4 times in John 6 "I will raise him up on the LAST day.
@sweatt4237
Жыл бұрын
@@georgeenns238 It's very difficult for first world Westerners to imagine that they may actually have their faith test. We have become so lazy and sleepy here and have created a new eschatology to go along with it. I once believed pre-trib, was corrected, read the clear text, rejected the pre-trib lie. It's painful to see people hold on to such an obvious deception my parents still believe it.
@jash7401
Жыл бұрын
@@georgeenns238 " But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. The day of the Lord is not a 24 hour day as so many contend that it is. 1Jn 2:18 refers to this period since Christ as the last hour.
@georgeenns238
Жыл бұрын
@@jash7401 well, when it says LAST DAY that sure means no pretrib.
@trulyso734
Жыл бұрын
@@jash7401 The Day of the Lord = fierce day of Jesus' second coming to destroy the beast of antichrist by just a breath from His mouth and the splendor of His coming! Not quite the same thing as the topic of a prior rescue at an hour or day nobody knows / nobody is told.. but we may know the signs of the end toward that 'last day'. So I wouldnt get so hung up on which day or the length of that day. The whole redeeming quality of escathology is not a lie. I would say the bible does also teach that there will be a remnant elect and faithful appointed to endure til the end (but noting it will be "cut short for their sake"); those God will mark for protection who will escape ("gathered by four winds from the 4 corners of the tribulation world" just prior to that, as Christ/Jesus unfolds the first six of 7 seals that signify the 'end of this church age tribulation' timeframe (Rev 6). These would include all who will be found In the Faith of Jesus who will NOT have the beast/antichrist destiny consequence refusing its mark of allegiance. So all in all, it remains an eternal Hopefulness for us who take refuge in the Lord Jesus. To me, the Main References backing God's providential rescue before all hell on earth breaks lose so to speak are as follows (beyond those initial shakings of Rev 6 arriving tribulation seals, just as the antichrist prepares to be hailed i feel); . 1Cor15:51-52 that those who remain alive during the post apostle Paul's church age i.e. period of grace til now, will get transformed into glory in an instant, and . Rev 3:10 re the blessed hope rescue if we hold on to our crown of righteousness IN Christ Jesus. That said, as I mentioned above, I reiterate I also believe there will also be those appointed to go through Rev 13 prison situations or death by the sword (by a warring defense perhaps) as the Antichrist has 'his' secret lawless run of 'peace and safety' rule over his subjects; but "not all will die" too. Hence also "Blessed is he who endures til the end of the 1290+45 days" etc fulfilling Daniel's prophecies.
@jesusvergara3749
7 ай бұрын
John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 - 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism. Pre-tribulation rapture theology was popularized extensively in the 1830s by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren,[1] and further popularized in the United States in the early 20th century by the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible
@braddenham4125
4 ай бұрын
Looks like someone did their homework.
@saradyck2212
Жыл бұрын
Wow!! My mind is blown 🎉. Thank you so much ❤️
@martinkent333
Жыл бұрын
Cults are so cool! The Christian cult has a happy cult handbook with talking animals, Cupcake!
@earlysda
Жыл бұрын
Sara, Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. . No one goes up to heaven at the end time before Jesus appears in all his glory and raises the righteous dead to everlasting life.
@martinkent333
Жыл бұрын
@@earlysda HEBREW MYTHS ARE SO REAL. THE BIBLE IS FICTION, STUPID. DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE IN THE GREEK MYTHS TOO, RUBE?
@jamesallan111
Жыл бұрын
PLEASE COMPARE WHAT PAUL AND JESUS SAID. THEY ARE THE SAME. TAKE NOTE OF THE CAPITALIZED WORDS. LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 ESV v.1) Now concerning the COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST and OUR BEING GATHERED TOGETHER TO HIM, we ask you, brothers, v.2) not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. v.3) LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU IN ANY WAY. FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT COME, UNLESS THE REBELLION (FALLING AWAY) COMES FIRST, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, v.4) who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. v 5) DO YOU NOT REMEMBER THAT WHEN I WAS STILL WITH YOU I TOLD YOU THESE THINGS? v.6) And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. v.7) For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. v.8) And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. JESUS SAID MANY WILL FALL AWAY Matthew 24:9-14 ESV v.9) “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. v.10) And then MANY WILL FALL AWAY and betray one another and hate one another. v.11) And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. v.12) And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. v.13) BUT THE ONE WHO ENDURES TO THE END WILL BE SAVED. v 14) And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Matthew 24:21-22 ESV v.21) "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. v.22) And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE ELECT THOSE DAYS WILL BE CUT SHORT." THE DECEPTIONS Matthew 24:23-27 ESV v.23) Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. v.24) For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. v.25) SEE, I HAVE TOLD YOU BEFOREHAND. v.26) So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. v.27) For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. GATHERING OF HIS ELECT Matthew 24:29-31 ESV v.29) “IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. v.30) Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. v.31) AND HE WILL SEND OUT HIS ANGELS WITH A LOUD TRUMPET CALL, AND THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER."
@pparrker5420
Жыл бұрын
You're easy deceived.
@lessmith1409
Жыл бұрын
Theres so much false doctrine out there. Its refreshing to hear Biblical Truth from Dr John MacArthur. 🙏☝❤
@RuthWeir
2 ай бұрын
That is not the truth.
@Ken-dh2te
Ай бұрын
It certainly is the truth
@mikehayes2706
Жыл бұрын
The idea of a rapture confuses me. So Christ comes back for all the believers and then comes back again? I thought Jesus was only coming back once.
@ltmutiwekuziwa
2 жыл бұрын
I am of a somewhat different view from Pastor McArthur, the whole presentation is based on the premise that the day of The Lord is the whole 7 year tribulation period. To my understanding, the tribulation is the devil raining affliction on the world upon those that will not worship him. Why then would we call that period the day of the Lord, if anything, it sounds more like the day of the devil. The period of the pouring out of God's wrath however, i.e. the seven bowls of the wrath of God surely can be rightfully termed the day of the Lord. Consequently, the rapture taking place just before the pouring out of God's wrath would technically have happened "before" the day of The Lord.
@geniepaf9364
Жыл бұрын
The whole 7 seven years are called the day of the Lord, because the Lord is the one permitting to happen, since the restrainer, the church, had been raptured before. It's the purpose of God that satan can do what he want to. It's like when God called pagan kings (Babylon, Persia...) and used them to punish Israel every time they don't obey him. Remember its satan acting after Gods calendar and not the contrary. And since the Lord had already saved us out from the hand of the devil, how can you then imagine the same God sending us again to be martyred by the same devil? Don't you think it would a defeat and a shame for the Lord and joy and victory for the devil?
@DaNinja60
Жыл бұрын
The Devil knows his time is short. People are even ignoring that the Euphrates river is drying up even now to make way for the Battle of Armageddon. There is no pre-trib rapture where we leave people behind. The entire reason for a rapture at all is so God can pour his wrath out upon the Earth because "we are not called unto wrath".
@michaelalbertson7457
Жыл бұрын
God sends sinners to hell. That is wrath. Read up on God's wrath in the Bible. It is God's word. He never lies, never does wrong. Lean not unto your own understanding. Believe the whole word of God.
@stevebates4591
Жыл бұрын
I believe in a mid tribulation rapture after the Antichrist is revealed, but before the great day of the outpouring of God's wrath at the end of the tribulation.
@rustynut1967
Жыл бұрын
@@stevebates4591 I agree. MacArthur totally mangles 2 Thessalonians 2 1Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. MacArthur said we will be ruptured before anti-christ is revealed and that's clearly not what is said in this scripture. And the Thessalonians were worried that they missed the rapture, they were not worried of the tribulation. What a twisting of scripture!
@crollinsphoto
Жыл бұрын
Also Revelation 3:10..we are the raptured church..we are going to be "removed" from even the hour of the 7 year tribulation. Paul said to comfort one another with these words..not much comfort if we are going to go thru some of it.
@larrybedouin2921
Жыл бұрын
Philadelphia is not the end time church. The symbolism of the seven seals are (seven) signatures as per - The ketubah, (“is written”) a Jewish marriage contract. The seven churches of Revelation gives us clues as to who the witnesses to the contract are. Ephesus > Adam Rev 2:5 " Remember therefore from whence you art fallin"... Smyrna < Noah Rev 2:8 " These things said the first and the last"... Pergamos > Abraham Rev 2:17 ..."and in the stone a new name written,"... Thyatira > Jacob / Israel Rev 2:28 "And I will give him the morning star". Sardis > Moses Rev 3:3 "Remember therefore how you have received and heard,"... Philadelphia > David Rev 3:7 ..."He that have the key of David"... Laodicea > Jesus Christ the Bridegroom and his bride, the Israel of God. --All pointing to dispensations of time in order of their time on earth. "He that have an ear, let him hear what the Spirit [singular] saith unto the churches" [plural]. (Repeated seven times, one for each church) “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the church[es]. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” {Revelation 22:16} --One body of Jesus Christ having *seven* dispensations of time (the spiritual condition of Christ church,....prophetic continuance) during the dispensation of Grace.
@larrybedouin2921
Жыл бұрын
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God. For true and righteous are his judgments: for *he hath judged the great whore* which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. {Revelation 19:1-2} Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb *is come* and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, *These are the true sayings of God* {Revelation 19:7-9} ^ Describing events after Armageddon and the seven last plagues.
@larrybedouin2921
Жыл бұрын
Jesus speaking through his Apostle John to his end time church. "Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me *gold tried in the fire* that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.” {Revelation 3:17-18} -- My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the *trying of your faith* worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. {James 1:2-4} Many shall be purified, and made white, *and tried* but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. {Daniel 12:10} That *the trial of your faith* being much *more precious than of gold* that perisheth, though it be *tried with fire* might be found unto praise and honour and glory *at the appearing* of Jesus Christ: {1 Peter 1:7} But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. {Hebrews 11:6} Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for *when he is tried* he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. {James 1:12} Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. {1 Peter 4:19} For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; {Philippians 1:29}
@vanillacreem816
11 ай бұрын
@@larrybedouin2921 Of course it is
@larrybedouin2921
11 ай бұрын
@@vanillacreem816 No! There is no such thing. And I saw another angel ascending *from the east* having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, {Revelation 7:2} “For as the lightning *cometh out of the east* and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” {Matthew 24:7} And *the sixth angel* poured out his vial [plague] upon the great river Euphrates; and the water [support] thereof was dried up, *that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared* And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, *to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty* "Behold, I come as a thief. *Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments* lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, *It is done* {Revelation 16:12-17} The saints of God will be here to witness all.
@shawnglass108
Жыл бұрын
The Second Coming of our Lord, The Day of the Lord, and our gathering together to him are the exact same event. Jesus teaches us this in Matthew 24. The Apostle Paul mirrors Jesus’ teaching in all of his teachings. Telling us it will come “at the last trumpet” in Corinthians. Paul clearly tells us that our relief comes when Jesus comes back with his fiery angels in judgement in 2nd Thessalonians 1:7-8..Not in a secret rapture before then..and Paul even issues a warning in 2nd Thessalonians telling us that the coming of our Lord AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM will not happen until the rebellion and the anti-Christ is revealed. Exactly as Jesus teaches in Matthew 24..There is absolutely no biblical support for the pre-tribulation rapture. It was never taught by the church and was invented in the 1800’s. I was taught to believe in the pre-trib rapture my whole life and not until I was challenged to defend it did I realize that there is no biblical support for it and complete biblical support for the second coming, day of the Lord, and our gathering together to him being the same event..Do not believe me. Read the scriptures for yourself.
@fadechannel1096
Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@larrybedouin2921
Жыл бұрын
The Spirt has shown you these truths brother. And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God. For true and righteous are his judgments: for *he hath judged the great whore* which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. {Revelation 19:1-2} Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb *is come* and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, *These are the true sayings of God* {Revelation 19:7-9}👈 ^ Describing events after Armageddon and the seven last plagues. Gbu
@cdye7003
Жыл бұрын
The tribulation is recorded to be 1,290 days. The tribulation is for His chosen people who rejected the true Messiah. Those who have accepted Him will not experience His Wrath. I believe we will be called up after the Antichrist reveals himself, but before the the 7th seal is opened, revealing the 7 trumpets. The “last trumpet” is the trumpet of God, not the 7th trumpet of wrath blown by the 7th angel. “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” 1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV
@larrybedouin2921
Жыл бұрын
@@cdye7003 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. {Proverbs 3:5} (Not what I believe, but thus saith the Lord.) “I pray *not* that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest *keep* them from the evil.” {John 17:15} “Remember the word that I said unto you, *The servant is not greater than his lord* If they have persecuted me, *they will also persecute you* if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.” “But all these things *will they do unto you for my name's sake* because they know not him that sent me.” {John 15:20-21} And they [the Apostles] departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name. {Acts 5:41} Like the children of Israel, God knows how to save his people in the plagues/fire. We will also be saved by the blood of the Lamb of God, before we are resurrected/changed and taken up to heaven for a thousand years.
@larrybedouin2921
Жыл бұрын
@@cdye7003 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that *there should be time no longer* {Revelation 10:6} Question: how do we know what is meant by time no longer? We know that this is referencing prophetic time prophecy and not time itself, because the scripture verses that follows. And he said unto me, *Thou must prophesy again* before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. {Revelation 10:11} A day for a year is given with all time prophecies. We know this because the 70 weeks prophecy (the cornerstone) was 490 years in its fulfillment, not 490 days. The 1,290 prophetic days is historic. 508 - 1798 A.D.
@lauraontiveros3432
2 ай бұрын
The day of the Lord in judgement day on HIS HOUSE FIRST the Church and then the wicked.
@Greatfalls64
Жыл бұрын
We are not looking for the antichrist but we are looking for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, AMEN!
@kc-wk1kz
Жыл бұрын
*To note: There is NO PREtribulation rapture. i should have stated this when giving this Bible verse. The ''falling away'' is the apostasy. the ''man of sin'', the ''son of perdition'' is the Antichrist. The Day Christ comes is not until some time after these two things occur [and other things too; Jesus tells us to watch and to not be afraid]. Please read the Scriptures in other comments; but most of all, please prayerfully reread Gods word and ask God to show you the truth. i read the same Scriptures; and i clearly see that there is NO PREtribulation rapture. The Tribulation is not the wrath of God, the Tribulation is the evil doings of satan including via the Antichrist. The Day of the Lord is when God's wrath begins. + Consider that God kept everyone in the Ark safe as they were still here the entire time while God's wrath poured down over the entire earth. It could be we're raptured some time between the 6th and 7th seal, or not until the end; i'm still studying; but i know God knows for sure. And i know there is NO PREtribulation rapture. This false teaching of pretrib rapture began not long ago; including by a man who Charles Spurgeon publicly warned against. We can and must trust our loving triune God the Father, the Son Jesus Christ our Savior, and the Holy Spirit with our eternal soul by accepting His forgiveness and salvation, therefore we can and must trust God with whatever we go through in this fallen world. God can be trusted. Prayerfully read Gods word. Gods word also tells us what to do and what not to do; including do NOT accept the mark of the beast or worship of the beast NO MATTER WHAT; read God's word about this. + More and more i notice leaders teaching the FALSE teaching stating to their audience ''get saved so you don't miss the rapture''-well that is NOT the gospel. We need to be saved from our sins and saved from eternal hell; only possible through repenting of our sin, turning to our loving triune God, accepting Jesus' payment on the Cross for our sin, believing in, trusting in Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord. Jesus suffered unspeakably on our behalf because of our sin, to save us from eternal hell; such a priceless gift; more than what we deserve. Jesus did not do this for us so we could be lifted out of our lawn chairs to avoid some temporary earthly discomforts. "Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
@kc-wk1kz
Жыл бұрын
*Please see my edit in my comment. There is NO PRE-tribulation rapture. And that Scripture i had given in no way indicates a pretribulation rapture and that is not why i shared it.
@Mike65809
Жыл бұрын
Jesus said when we see these signs then know the kingdom of God is near. We do look for the signs. Amen?
@Bruce_Peters
10 ай бұрын
Really? You aren't looking for the antichrist? Then how come 99% of the "rapture soon!" content is about the Antichrist? One world government, Mark of the beast, wars, high tech, deception, one world religion, one world economy and currency, etc etc, - it is heavily based on what this supposed "Antichrist" will do, and is already doing to line things up.
@v1e1r1g1e1
4 ай бұрын
Jesus promised to His disciples that He was leaving them to go to His Father's House, where He would prepare rooms for them to dwell in (and so be with Christ) at some future occasion. So... was this promise exclusively for His immediate (11 left) disciples? If those rooms were being prepared for His Faithful from all times, then WHEN would such rooms be used? There's no point in arguing that the rooms would be for those who have died and immediately gone to Heaven. We know this is not so, because Paul says that at the Rapture the Dead in Christ would rise first.... so they're dead... so they're NOT in Heaven already. So...we DON'T go to Heaven immediately after death. Jesus' return to Earth - to Jerusalem, specifically, occurs at the height of the assault of Jerusalem by the armies of the Tribulation world. Thereafter, He establishes His kingdom on Earth, ruling from Jerusalem. So... again.. when do the rooms in Heaven get used? The only sensible answer, is that they are used during the 7 years of the Tribulation. This necessitates a PRE Tribulation Rapture.
@Kman.
3 ай бұрын
Nice!
@CarlosDiaz-mz6bn
10 ай бұрын
I've noticed most misunderstood verses lean towards the easier way out
@derrickrodgers4774
Жыл бұрын
The Day of the Lord (wrath) happens at the 7th seal. The 6th seal is the rapture. The 5th seal is persecution/martyrdom of Christians (wrath of the antichrist). Seals 2-4 are just the beginning of sorrows. The 1st seal is the antichrist signing a covenant; which begins the 7 year period.
@mrspaula777
Жыл бұрын
PRAISE GOD ♥️✝️🔥 I AGREE YOU HAVE SPOKEN THE TRUTH AMEN 🙏
Like a broken clock, even a Calvinist can be correct twice a day!
@mbyruhama3408
Жыл бұрын
Don't Mix tribulation With wrath of God We should not mix The tribulation & The wrath of God Tribulations:- Takes place before the coming of Jesus Christ & before the rapture of the Saints, tribulation happens by the beast, so that Christians will face the tribulation, But the world and those who admire & agree with the beast will not face the tribulation, they rather will be in temporary happiness & peace, Revelation 13 : 3- 18 Wrath of God:- Will take place Just after the rapture of the saints, so Christians will not face the wrath of God rather they will be with the lord in his presence rejoicing the reward for their patient & endurance through the tribulation. Revelation 3:10 But, The world, the Beast. & those who took the mark of the beast will face the wrath of God. Revelation 14 : 9-12
@mattalan5025
10 ай бұрын
Agreed. The Bowls are poured out On the wicked! But, The seals and trumpets the Saints who have the Commands of YHVH and the testimony of the Lamb, will be here for. My God is faithful and He will do it! Shalom Brother Shalom
@puertoricanprofit5985
9 ай бұрын
Amen
@markanthony3275
4 ай бұрын
Why not? The Bible indicates they are the same thing. " For the Day of the WRATH of the Lamb has come, and who can stand?" (Rev ch 6) Here you actually see a combining of the" Wrath of God " and the "Day of the Lord"...because they are the same thing.
@bruce8961
4 ай бұрын
It's Not what makes sense but what The Bible says.
@joymahiko
Жыл бұрын
Revelation is clear that Christians will be MARTYRED for refusing the mark of the beast. Martyrs are mentioned several times AFTER the anti christ is revealed. I side with scriptures that cannot be misinterpreted. "When the plain interpretation of scripture makes sense, seek no other "sense".
@puertoricanprofit5985
9 ай бұрын
Amen
@markanthony3275
7 ай бұрын
The people martyred are all those who become Christians during the Tribulation. Which brings up an important question. How do they hear the gospel of Jesus Christ? Is it because the church is preaching the gospel to them? No. The Bible says in Rev ch 14 vs 6 "And I saw an angel flying in mid-air with the eternal gospel to preach to every nation tribe and tongue". How come the church isn't doing the preaching? because it's NOT present during the Tribulation...it was raptured beforehand.
@vivipo97
5 ай бұрын
@@markanthony3275 Amen brother! The two witnesses, the 144,000 sealed, and the angel are doing the preaching...not the church. We are gone! Galatians 6:9 brother!
@rustynut1967
Жыл бұрын
You conflate the tribulation before the day of the Lord and the wrath when He comes.
@roybotha8356
3 жыл бұрын
We are called to be radiant and ready, not raptured and spared.... If the church is removed from the tribulation what would the point be BECAUSE THE CHURCH IS GLORIFIED through THE TRIBULATION.... Much Love and respect from Cape Town South Africa brother John
@DevotedGospel1
3 жыл бұрын
The tribulation is not for the church; but for the nation of Israel. That’s why it’s called Jacob’s trouble (Jeremiah 30:7) The tribulation is also the outpouring of God’s wrath to judge the wicked world and its inhabitants (Revelation 15-16). Why would God allow His church/saints to suffer His wrath when He has already punished His Son for them? Please read John 3:16. The church is the bride of Christ. What groom would beat up his future bride before he marries her? 😊
@roybotha8356
3 жыл бұрын
@@DevotedGospel1 Please watch the following link and then prayerfully consider the reality behind this topic.... The falling away of many, will be directly connected to many who realise on that day that they are not to be " raptured" away and become totally disillusioned ... This was very hard for me to digest initially but after prayerful consideration it does in fact make alot of sense kzitem.info/news/bejne/kWiItqiOqJ-khno
@sudhakhristmukti1930
3 жыл бұрын
@@DevotedGospel1 Amen! 1 Thessalonians 13-18...how can we believers comfort one another 'with these words' if we were to suffer the horrors of tribulation? ! Come soon Lord Jesus! Rescue us, rapture us before you pour out your wrath/anger/judgement upon the earth in the 7 years of tribulation! Amen!
@DevotedGospel1
3 жыл бұрын
@Sudha True. We are not appointed unto God’s wrath as our Lord promised. And as Ed Hindson often said, “if the church will go through the Tribulation, our blessed hope becomes the blasted hope.” 😬
@sudhakhristmukti1930
3 жыл бұрын
@@DevotedGospel1 Absolutely dear!!
@Landis_Grant
Жыл бұрын
The kings of the east will not bow to the Antichrist.
@michaelbest7872
Жыл бұрын
Alice, No! In Thessalonians, it doesn't say they (we) would be raptured out BEFORE the day of the Lord! Pastor John made that up, and give his own thoughts in this video. No where in 1 Thess does it mention a pre-trib rapture. No where in the Bible, that I can find, says such. Specifically, the rapture IS referred to, in 1 Thess 4:13-18, but it does NOT say it's during some pre-trib time. It reads more about the post-trib rapture (i.e. Those that are alive and [ REMAIN ] [ unto the coming of the Lord ]. Just because a man of influence, weather he be a pastor or other, doesn't mean they are to be blindly followed. I don't fear the Day of the Lord ( I fear my death! - meaning I hope it's not a painful death! I live in this body. This body feels pain, right )! In another way of looking at it, I'm not afraid to die, as I put my faith in Jesus. If I die, or get killed today, I put my faith in Jesus that I will be resurrected from the dead, as the Bible promises that! If I'm lucky or fortunate to be one of those that are alive and REMAIN Unto the Coming of the Lord, then I I'm guessing I will also feel amazing as I'm being raptured! Like those that have died before me, I know that the Dead in Christ shall rise FIRST. Then those few that are alive at that time will be caught up too. If I'm alive at that time, and raptured, I know I will not have to suffer the wrath of God. - which is immediately AFTER the tribulation, and just before He pours out His wrath out upon all the world, at that Last Day, as the scriptures say.
@trulyso734
Жыл бұрын
Agreeing with you
@tonycordero955
Жыл бұрын
THE CHURCH WILL GO THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION..... STOP PREACHING LIES....PREACH TRUTH....
@joshswicegood3253
Жыл бұрын
I use to be a post trib guy. I thought that when Christ comes back that’s it. One time and none of this rapture stuff or the thousand year millennium. I believed things just would get super super bad and then, bam! He returns and takes us all home. But I started to mature in my faith by reading more and more of the scripture. Listening to all kinds of godly men. And I have no choice but to believe in the pre trib. A literal interpretation leads you there. In order to get post, or mid, or even amillennialist view you have to over symbolize a lot of different verses. I don’t judge one that has an opposing view. After all our redemption isn’t tied to it. But it does effect your outlook on the end times and how you evangelize. To me if you believe that Christ could come back anytime soon it should motivate you to be proactive with your faith more than the other 3 views.
@garytowner9375
Жыл бұрын
Well you better go back to post . Because John lying to you. Revelation 16,15
@joshswicegood3253
Жыл бұрын
@@garytowner9375 give me your reasons why you believe post? I didn’t get my views from McArthur. I actually got my views from reading the scripture and searching it for myself.
@garytowner9375
Жыл бұрын
@@joshswicegood3253 Revelation 16,15
@garytowner9375
Жыл бұрын
@@joshswicegood3253 Mathew 24-29-31 John 17;15 Mark 13:24-27 2 thessalonian 2:1-5
@Mike65809
Жыл бұрын
@@joshswicegood3253 I'll give you one big one. There are no passages in context that actually teach a pretrib rapture. Do you have any? Please share. All of them are used bringing the idea to the text from someplace else. It's called eisegesis. Jesus said plainly that his return will be after the tribulation of those days, amen? It's very simple. There is one future coming or appearing of our Lord.
@danielbrown2524
2 ай бұрын
The comfort in 1 Thess 4 isn't the comfort of being taken out of persecution and tribulation. It's the comfort of those who once were dead would be resurrected
@ompaloompa4970
2 жыл бұрын
Jesus said he would raise us up on the last day...not before that.
@DevotedGospel1
2 жыл бұрын
@ompa loompa Scripture to back up your claim, please.
@earlysda
Жыл бұрын
@@DevotedGospel1 1Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
@tdstone8910
Жыл бұрын
Are we saying "at the last trump" actually dosent mean the last trump?
@mikem4883
2 жыл бұрын
Jesus will come on the last day at the last trump.
@trulyso734
Жыл бұрын
Okay, the never before never again serious tribulation trials will come upon all who dwell on the earth but His chaste bride shall have the Peace of the Lord! So it is, we are already in that 'last hour' in the pattern of the Lord's apprehension by the powers of darkness given that last hour/last day.. for us to finish our race of endurance contending against the antichrists and final antichrist, agree? "Though your redemption tarries.. wait patiently for it" says the Word of God. He is not slack concerning His 2nd coming return appearance for those who belong to Him, but being forbearingly patient with all the living inhabitants of the earth He is still busy calling to get right with Him. It is written the Lord's return will flash past in lightning speed (my paraphrase of Matt 24 and Luke 21). All the PreTrib teachings online have all left something to be desired IMHO. Those who see/know the signs of our time ought gather details of the end from the book of revelation and consult the Lord (and one another perhaps) for His grace of divine wisdom and understanding now instead. To remain in Him as our Ark of salvation, to realize how the days of Noah and Lot are ones of a 'peace and security' time to the world around, yet all the while the spiritual tempest is brewing (there is no rest with the wicked as they plan destruction and God's calendar countdown ticks forward). I'd trust the voice of Jesus the Lord my God more than all the teachers in the world really, who unfortunately at present, seem to come across mistaken or putting a favoured lens on certain critical chapters and verses. God bless you
@carolmiglionico3870
Жыл бұрын
That is when he comes to reign on earth fire er. The rapture he doesn't come to the earth...he comes in the clouds😊
@jimmattson8008
4 ай бұрын
@@carolmiglionico3870Where does it say that there are clouds in heaven? All the earth will see Jesus in the clouds and mourn. Is that not close enough for you?
@earlysda
Жыл бұрын
5:20 He makes a large error when he says that the Thessalonians knew that they would be raptured out before the Day of the Lord. That is false teaching, as Matthew 24 and everywhere else in the Bible makes clear. Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. At the end time, no one goes up to heaven before Jesus comes down from heaven surrounded by millions of angels, and the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST.
@geniepaf9364
Жыл бұрын
I can imagine, that those supporting post or mid-trib are people who have really never suffer any test, trial, persecution, pain.. etc on this earth. I can't imagine and believe that the Lord will make thousand and millions of believers who are suffering right now some tribulation and even despairing for their life, go once again trough the tribulation to come? How can the Lord let his body, the church, that he has acquired at a high price, go through the hand of the one he has already defeated, satan...for what purpose? What a shame should that be for the Lord and joy and victory for the devil. Can you imagine Abraham, after saving his family from the hand of the enemy, that the same Abraham send his family once again to the same enemy for the purpose of them to be tried...or imagine God telling Noah, after he had built the ark, he and his family should stay outside and wait until the flood is finished before they can enter the ark, if they survived. Can you imagine that only one second ?
@SiriusBrawlStars
Жыл бұрын
I want to die like the apostles, I want to be beheaded for proclaiming Christ. That's why I'm post trib. I want to die for my Lord for he died for me
@picturesin3609
Жыл бұрын
You will suffer & no doubt take the mark because you believe Satan's lie of a pre Trib with ZERO scripture to support it.
@ShadrachTheThird
Жыл бұрын
What an ignorant statement and you obviously need to study your Bible more
@galinareznikov8577
Жыл бұрын
Yes , I can imagine this, because the Bible is true, and you are being deceived
@geniepaf9364
Жыл бұрын
@@galinareznikov8577. Then we are not reading the same bible. In what am I deceived? Don't just throw answers like that. How am I deceived?
@albertcatalan5168
Жыл бұрын
I think the pre-trip and the post-trib are both correct but the disconnect is the interpretation of the “great tribulation” vs “the day of the Lord”. If the great tribulation is interpreted as the great persecution of the World (by the power of Satan and his antichrist) against the believers of Christ in the last half of the last seven years and the Day of the Lord is the outpouring of God’s wrath/revenge against the perpetrators of the great tribulation, after the great tribulation when the Church has been raptured and saved from that ongoing great tribulation, then both are correct and aligned. No conflict. The terminology pre-trib is then not correct. It has to be pre-wrath. So post-trip and pre-wrath should settle the issue.
@markanthony3275
4 ай бұрын
Then why do the evildoers in Revelation ch 6 call it "The Day of the WRATH of the Lamb"??? They don't call it the WRATH of satan do they?
@stephenjohns9417
Жыл бұрын
I love John MacArthur, but I believe The Day of The Lord is the same as the Rapture. Paul mentions both interchangeably in 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Moreover, in 1 Corinthians 15:52 Paul says that the rapture will occur “at the LAST trumpet”. There are 7 trumpets during the tribulation according to John’s Revelation. Therefore, the rapture must occur ON the 7th trumpet.
@stephenjohns9417
Жыл бұрын
I strongly agree with John MacArthur’s position on the return of Christ with respect to the Millennium. I believe Christ will return before the Millennium. I believe in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. In Revelation 20:4-5, John says, “I saw the souls of those had been beheaded … And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand year … But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.” There has been no resurrection of believers yet. Therefore, the Millennium is in the future, and those who died during the Tribulation will reign with Christ for 1000 years.
@larrybedouin2921
Жыл бұрын
“Remember the word that I said unto you, *The servant is not greater than his lord* If they have persecuted me, *they will also persecute you* if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.” “But all these things *will they do unto you for my name's sake* because they know not him that sent me.” {John 15:20-21}
@edwardkanniah1483
2 ай бұрын
Still preaching biblical truth consistently. Jonnie Mac is still the best.
@davidlatham8271
2 ай бұрын
No he isn’t. I am very disappointed. He reads 2 Thess. Then skips over the fact that the DOTL will not come until the AC is revealed which Daniel says happens in the middle of the Seventieth Week. 2 Thess. 2 proves beyond a doubt that the rapture is after the revealing of the AC and before the DOTL making it pre-wrath (before trumpet, bowl, and vial judgements). There is no getting around 2 Thess 2. So McArthur glosses over and ignores it. He is typical of his generation perpetuating unbiblical orthodoxy sad.
@smileywazzup
Ай бұрын
Yes, he is a great teacher!!
@johannmeiring4208
Ай бұрын
@@smileywazzup Read God's word and stop promoting this false teaching of Johm Mac
@paulbrennan4163
Ай бұрын
@@johannmeiring4208 What exactly is it in God's word that you think is a problem with what he is teaching?
@petepayette6690
Жыл бұрын
Pre trib rapture is not written any where in gods word.
@noname7782
20 күн бұрын
So, ur calling brother John a liar? How well do YOU know God's word? His people are not appointed to his wrath....
@ncgisaiah1965
6 ай бұрын
Paul didn’t teach a pretrib rapture. Not even close lol
@rickiekayser2571
4 ай бұрын
Yes he did
@mikesturgell9420
3 ай бұрын
No. Paul Didn’t teach a pretrib rapture. Read 2 Thess. 2:1-4. Paul said the Antichrist will come first before the rapture occurs. Read 2 Thess. 2:1-4. It’s real easy to see.
@David10000000000ful
2 ай бұрын
Dr David Jeremiah explains this. He said that is true but the rapture is not the 2nd coming it is Jesus calling up his people. Several passages can be defined one is rev 3:10 says it best though.
@briangraves454
2 ай бұрын
You're about to find out one way or another.
@JacquelineFrankneeKenyon
2 ай бұрын
In eschatology, it is important to remember that almost all Christians agree on these three things: 1) there is coming a time of great tribulation such as the world has never seen, 2) after the Tribulation, Christ will return to establish His kingdom on earth, and, 3) there will be a Rapture-a translation from mortality to immortality-for believers (John 14:1-3;1 Corinthians 15:51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). The question is when does the Rapture occur in relation to the Tribulation and the Second Coming of Christ? Through the years three main theories have emerged concerning the timing of the Rapture: pretribulationism (the belief that the Rapture will occur before the Tribulation begins), midtribulationism (the belief that the Rapture will occur at the midpoint of the Tribulation), and posttribulationism (the belief that the Rapture will occur at the end of the Tribulation). This article deals specifically with the pretribulational view. Pretribulationism teaches that the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation starts. At that time, the church will meet Christ in the air, and then sometime after that the Antichrist is revealed and the Tribulation begins. In other words, the Rapture and Christ’s Second Coming (to set up His kingdom) are separated by at least seven years. According to this view, the church does not experience any of the Tribulation. Scripturally, the pretribulational view has much to commend it. For example, the church is not appointed to wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:9-10, 5:9), and believers will not be overtaken by the Day of the Lord (1 Thessalonians 5:1-9). The church of Philadelphia was promised to be kept from “the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world” (Revelation 3:10). Note that the promise is not preservation through the trial but deliverance from the hour, that is, from the time period of the trial. Pretribulationism also finds support in what is not found in Scripture. The word “church” appears nineteen times in the first three chapters of Revelation, but, significantly, the word is not used again until chapter 22. In other words, in the entire lengthy description of the Tribulation in Revelation, the word church is noticeably absent. In fact, the Bible never uses the word "church" in a passage relating to the Tribulation. Pretribulationism is the only theory which clearly maintains the distinction between Israel and the church and God’s separate plans for each. The seventy “sevens” of Daniel 9:24 are decreed upon Daniel’s people (the Jews) and Daniel’s holy city (Jerusalem). This prophecy makes it plain that the seventieth week (the Tribulation) is a time of purging and restoration for Israel and Jerusalem, not for the church. Also, pretribulationism has historical support. From John 21:22-23, it would seem that the early church viewed Christ’s return as imminent, that He could return at any moment. Otherwise, the rumor would not have persisted that Jesus would return within John’s lifetime. Imminence, which is incompatible with the other two Rapture theories, is a key tenet of pretribulationism. And the pretribulational view seems to be the most in keeping with God’s character and His desire to deliver the righteous from the judgment of the world. Biblical examples of God’s salvation include Noah, who was delivered from the worldwide flood; Lot, who was delivered from Sodom; and Rahab, who was delivered from Jericho (2 Peter 2:6-9). Excerpt got questions.
@haserotmalach7324
Ай бұрын
I like and respect pastor Macarthur but he's dead wrong on this issue. It's truly disheartening to hear such a godly man preaching such a harmful lie.
@paulbrennan4163
Ай бұрын
Prove it.
@SaudaraLink
Жыл бұрын
Just thinking about this again today. He doesn't present any evidence that rises to the level of being a hint at the pre-trib view. He assumes pretrib, then interprets the passage around the assumption. He assumes Paul taught pretrib, so being here for the day of the Lord would seem scary if that were the case. He goes into detail on how the Thessalonians were troubled, as if that were evidence for this point of view. A straight-forward, plain-sense interpretation that does not eisegete in a pre-trib viewpoint also makes sense here. It makes sense that if the day of the Lord happens at Jesus' coming that the church would be troubled if they heard the day of the Lord had already happened. Let's consider the actual epistle of II Thessalonians here. In chapter 1, Jesus comes back while the church is in tribulation, gives the church rest from them that cause the tribulation, executing judgment on them that know not God, who believe not the Gospel, __when__ he comes to be glorified in them that believe.... and he says 'on that day.' Is there any reason to think that 'that day' in chapter 1 is different from the day of the Lord referenced in chapter 2? And I Thessalonians 4 sets the rapture and resurrection of the dead in Christ at the coming of the Lord. II Thessalonians 2:8 sets the destruction of the man of sin at the brightness of the Lord's coming. The warning to be on the lookout for the coming of the Son of man as a thief is set AFTER the tribulation in Matthew 24, so we should keep that in mind when interpreting I Thessalonians 5.
@trulyso734
Жыл бұрын
Yes. We must keep in faith, praying to prepare ourselves, and keep alert (Luke 21:29-36, Matt 24:1-35). The world's peace not the same as the peace the Lord gives. Hence 2 Thess 2. The end is not yet But there are and will continue to be signs for those watching and praying til the end / til His visible appearing return on the day of the Lord. Again, Matt 24:23-26 warns not to believe or bother with lying reports during that time of the end's anguish to go meet the Lord/Jesus here there or any secret location.
@markanthony3275
4 ай бұрын
Your mistake is to do exactly what you say he is doing. You are reading an interpretation into Mathew ch 24 (which it does not have btw) and using that interpretation to read into Thessalonians. Mathew ch 24 does NOT teach that the church will go through the Tribulation and be raptured at the second coming...in fact...it teaches the opposite. Look at the context...look at the subject matter and the words...words like "sabbath", "temple", "rooftops", "Judean countryside"...Jesus is talking about what will happen to ISRAEL not the church. When Jesus said "Unless those days had been shortened even the elect wouldn't survive" which "elect" was He talking about? He was talking about the one third of Israel that God is going to "bring into the fire" and "refine like silver and test like gold". How do we know this? We read this in Zechariah, the O.T. version of the book of Revelation. Zechariah 13:8-9 " In the whole land" declares the Lord, "two thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one third will be left in it. This one third I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold." Mathew ch 24 is about what will happen to ISRAEL in the second half of the Tribulation...not the church.
@bf6048
Жыл бұрын
I believe this too. Rapture will happen first to those who are saved and believers. The tribulation will then start. The Holy Spirit must be removed from the Earth at the Rapture before the ac can become known.
@only-in-california
Жыл бұрын
Incorrect
@seasquawker
Жыл бұрын
Mark 13:11 This is deep within the 70th week here and the Holy Spirit is still indwelling believers and directing their words.
@trulyso734
Жыл бұрын
GOD's hand of most supreme reigning control is ultimately the restrainer. Not necerssarily the church or christians on His behalf. There is the 'mystery of inquities' i.e. the world counterfeit man/humanism religious spirit at work until it is removed or until it is the set time for the Antichrist to be revealed. It could be that this beast moves that 'mystery' out of his way, once that has run its course of use. Re 2 thess 2:3-7.
@CindyTemple
10 ай бұрын
Comfort yourselves with being snatched out? That's not even close to what Paul said. For 2000 years people have been comforted with the RESURRECTION and being reunited with love ones who believed and died. This is what Paul was addressing at the beginning concerning those that have fallen asleep. What a twisted LIE.
@gregorioceriales4924
Жыл бұрын
Praise God❤
@sweatt4237
Жыл бұрын
NO ONE in history has ever read the Bible on their own absent of influence from a pre-trib pastor, closed it saying "Yep, looks like Jesus gets us before all that bad stuff starts." We invented pre-trib.
@robertmsimpsonjr7455
Жыл бұрын
It started in 1835. A dieing 14 year old girl saw a vision of some Christians going to heaven and some not. That is were this silly pre trip rapture comes from. The bible is clear we can't read into the bible what we want it to say, sadly that is what happens. Just like the fig tree leaves in Matt 24 they say it's the time clock when Israel become a nation again. But in like it says the fig tree and all trees.
@carmendewaal1844
Жыл бұрын
Only the angels God sent to get earth out of 3D will be pre raptured, we didn't fall with lucifer, thus will not go through judgement, 12 mill, kept safe inside the desert, most southern on African continent, have been waiting for the others 543 days...;-))) War in heaven started 6/7 March'23, satan will be dumped on earth soon, Barack O is the last antichrist, keep an eye on him, 3 cloned copies all wired head to toes...gay prostitute, for more fun truths, check loohan forums...
@barbterramiggi2525
Жыл бұрын
Would like to know more
@sweatt4237
Жыл бұрын
@@barbterramiggi2525 FAI is a Channel here on YT. They are doing a series that is a step by step breakdown of each claim made by pre-tribbers.
@vanillacreem816
11 ай бұрын
@@robertmsimpsonjr7455 That is the most ignorant comment I have heard. Margaret MacDonald had nothing to do with the teaching of the Rapture. She didn't even believe in a pre trib rapture. Try reading what the early church fathers like Irenaeus said. He believed in a pre trib Rapture. Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp who was a direct disciple of the Apostle John. Read & learn.
@teej0813
Жыл бұрын
I greatly respect John MacArthur. He's a dedicated man of God and a brother in Christ. Having said that, I believe he's wrong about the timing of the rapture. As I read Matt 24 and Rev 6-7, it seems clear that Daniel's 70th Week is split into 4 sections: 1. Beginning of Sorrows (the rise of Antichrist to power, first half of 70th Week, and lines up with the first 4 Seals of Rev 6) 2. Great Tribulation (Antichrist's persecuting of Jews and Christians, starts at the mid-point, and lines up with the 5th Seal of Rev 6) 3. Jesus' Second Coming (Resurrection of the Dead and Rapture, sometime in the 2nd half of the 70th Week, and lines up with the 6th Seal of Rev 6-7). Note that Paul confirms that Jesus' second coming and the gathering (rapture) occur on the same day (Day of the Lord) in 2 Thess 2:1-3. 4. God's Judgment/Wrath (God's judgment on Antichrist and unbelievers, starts at the 7th Seal of Rev 8 (first mention of fire judgement) and runs through the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls). We are not appointed to wrath, but it seems clear that we will live through tribulation/persecution. Tribulation starts at the Abomination of Desolation (at the midpoint) when Antichrist declares himself to be god and starts persecuting Jews and Christians. God's Wrath starts when Jesus appears in the clouds and gathers his elect to save us from tribulation.
@ENDofREGULATION30
Жыл бұрын
It blows my mind how many Bible believing Christians will ignore the absence of this doctrine (pretrib rapture), just to hold to a tradition of men. If you washed up on a deserted island and there was a Bible sitting there, and you knew nothing about this teaching, you would not find it in the scriptures. You have to impose this belief on the scriptures
@7Logik
Жыл бұрын
So you can learn the Bible without the holy spirit ?
@mikyungkwon2376
Жыл бұрын
@@7Logik the Holy Spirit dwells within us it doesn't matter if we are on a deserted island.
@vikinglobo2415
Жыл бұрын
You are correct!
@ENDofREGULATION30
Жыл бұрын
@@7Logik don't be disingenuous.... you got the point!
@ENDofREGULATION30
Жыл бұрын
@@mikyungkwon2376 The last few generations have been dumbed down. With that said, you aren't dumb... you got my point, and you can't refute it!
@bornagain9192
Жыл бұрын
If so many saints are beheaded coming right out of the tribulation says it ,for they were still there ,so how do they not get raptured?
@beatlesrgear
7 ай бұрын
They were saved AFTER the Rapture which happens right before the 70th Week of Daniel commences. They are not Church Age Saints. They are Tribulation Saints.
@bornagain9192
7 ай бұрын
@@beatlesrgear thankyou I've come to realize this in the last 9 months! God Bless my friend.
@brianbannon6746
2 жыл бұрын
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
@topper9915
Жыл бұрын
2 Thessalonians chapter 2
@walkbyfaithnotbysight6290
Жыл бұрын
Way to read out or context, and these scriptures lined up with the others speaking of the same event is “after” btw…
@walkbyfaithnotbysight6290
Жыл бұрын
Daniel 12:1 , Matthew 24, 1 Cor 15, 1 Thes 4 and elsewhere is all the same event “last trumpet” , “dead in Christ rise first” then those who are alive and remain the angels are sent out with the shout of Michael the arch angel (Daniel 12:1) he stands up… this is who The Lord was speaking of in Matthew 24. They are sent out to gather all from the four corners of the earth, those who are alive and remain (will be very few) just as He said will He find faith on the earth at His return? Most will have died of natural causes , or starvation, or war and destruction , OR from being killed for their faith in Christ during the great tribulation not receiving the mark of the beast or worshipping him. But He also states 4x’s in John 6 (on the last day) is when He rises all up for eternal life, or judgment and damnation. (On the last day) so yeah it is “pre wrath” but not pre rapture, what is Gods wrath? His wrath abides on those who do NOT believe, it is eternal, it will be poured out at His 2nd coming, which is at the very end. “Believers are not appointed to His wrath” is true because we have obtained “salvation/eternal life” People don’t read their bibles. Even “antichrist” Obama said : “folks haven’t been reading their bibles” probably the only truth he ever spoke 🙄💀🙈😆🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
@JesusisLordgh8j
Жыл бұрын
@@topper9915 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 English Standard Version 1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. 14To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. 16Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, 17comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.
@Mediocre_JT
4 күн бұрын
People are stubborn and won't come off of that pre-wrath or post-trib view, and won't rightfully divide the word, instead combining Matthew(for Israel) and Luke(for church) together. We have NO reason to be in the Tribulation. It's for Israel and those that denied Jesus. The two witnesses share the gospel for the first half and the 144k share it for the second half. It's a period of testing to turn unbelievers into believers. If we've already accepted Jesus, why would we be there? How are millions of people going to be judged for our works on the judgement seat of Christ in one week as well as attend the marriage dinner? We would immediately be hunted for our faith in the trib. The two witnesses can defend themselves with breathing fire, we can't, we would be beheaded immediately and we would likely lose the salvation that has already been promised to us. We would have to lose the Holy Spirit, our salvation, which was already promised to us, just for the tribulation to begin. So not only would we be going through all 7 years, minus the bowls, but we would have to go through it without the Holy Spirit after we've had Him for decades? Cmon, God isn't cruel, especially not towards those that have been faithful to Him. Jesus isn't going to allow His bride to be beheaded for accepting Him and following His commands, even risking salvation. Why even have a rapture if the believers and nonbelievers are treated the exact same? God was going to save Sodom for FIVE ritcheous people, yet people want to believe that He's going to allow MILLIONS to perish for believing in Him? Cmon..
@jessejordan4662
3 жыл бұрын
We be lookin for Christ! Not the anti-christ!
@DevotedGospel1
3 жыл бұрын
@Jesse Jordan Yes 🙌! Maranatha, come Lord Jesus.
@JesseMgala
2 жыл бұрын
We are indeed not waiting for the antichrist. But the antichrist will be revealed before the tribulation or the day of the Lord. So if the rapture takes place simultaneous with the start of the day of the Lord, then we may be still on earth when the man of sin is revealed.
@kelvinbarber1765
Жыл бұрын
@@JesseMgala u r correct will be on earth when the Antichrist is revealed. There is no pre-tribulation rapture in the Bible.
@JesseMgala
Жыл бұрын
@@kelvinbarber1765 Nah, reveal means coming to scene, and in the case of the man of sin, he'll be revealed or come to scene the first time before the day of the Lord. Reveal doesn't mean "authority over nations has been given to him already" or that men are worshipping him. To my mind, *the man of sin is revealed before the rapture which will take place simultaneous with the start of the tribulation.*
@vanillacreem816
11 ай бұрын
@@JesseMgala For the AC to be revealed, the Holy Spirit has to be taken out of the way. The Holy Spirit resides in the church. Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would never leave the church so if the HS is taken out of the way, that means the church is removed.
@onetakendotnet
2 ай бұрын
Paul was a post-tribber. Peter was an amillennialist. Jesus was a pre-tribber. 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the one and only resurrection for the saints which is on the last day, last trumpet (John 6:39-54 & 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52). Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture WITHOUT A RESURRECTION. There is a flash of light and dead bodies when life seems normal (eating, drinking, etc.). We leave our mortal flesh on earth. Both Peter and Paul left the door open for the pre-trib rapture but they never commented on it. Maranatha! Darby speculated what the Thessolonians were thinking in 2 Thes 2. Pastor MacAuthur believes it. We are not told explicitly. I think the saints alive on earth wanted to know when they were going to be reunited with friends and family that had passed away as believers.
@bryanmills8081
9 ай бұрын
According to Macarthur Jesus Originally Came which was Visit Number 1, then Jesus went away and will come back again to Rapture his people which is Visit Number 2 then he will GO away a SECOND Time and then he will Come Back a THIRD Time to do Battle, which is Visit Number 3, where does it say in the Bible that Jesus comes THREE TIMES? The thing about Macarthur and all others like him, is that he and they pick out certain things that FITS THEIR NARRATIVE and to MAKE IT BELEIVABLE he and they IGNORE ALL OTHER PARTS OF THE BIBLE.
@Kman.
9 ай бұрын
You have SORELY misrepresented what the position is, is all I can tell you. On TOP of it, you're hoisting up a straw man at best, but hey...one can turn your "argument" on you if that's the hill you want to die on and ask, "Where does it say in the bible that Jesus does *NOT* came back a 3rd time?" See how that works? I won't use that as an argument, for you HOPEFULLY you can see how silly it is to even bring up what you did.
@Invectus1
Жыл бұрын
Powerful message.
@larriveeman
Жыл бұрын
it really depends on when the wrath of God starts, if its the first seal ( assuming the first seal is at the beginning of the 70th week, which may or may not be true), the rapture happens then. If Gods wrath starts at the sixth seal then the rapture happens there...we know the the fifth trumpet judgement lasts 5 months ( rev 9:5) , and we know the beast is given 3.5 years ( rev 13:5-7), the witnesses are given 3.5 years ( rev 11:3) and Israel is protected for 3.5 years ( Rev 12:6,14) and the gentiles are given 3.5 years ( rev 11:2) see below, thoughts??? if there is not pre-trib rapture, people are Christians are going to be shocked, it all depends when God's wrath happens.. In 2 thes 2, if the phrase” our gathering together to him” is the rapture then the apostasy and man of sin must occur first. This would seem to indicate the rapture won’t happen at the beginning of the 70 week of Daniel. Phil 1: 6: being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you complete it until the day of Jesus Christ; so in the above verse the day of Christ must be the rapture because that’s when his working in us is complete Acts 3 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. Acts 2 4 "For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: ' The LORD said to my Lord, " Sit at My right hand, 35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool." ' Joel 2:31 say the celestial signs will occur BEFORE the day of the Lord ( which is the day of wrath), this doesn;t happen until the sixth seal Rev 6:12....I would like a pre-trib rapture, but just don't see it in scripture.....If you look at the first five seals they match Matt 24 birth pangs
@trulyso734
Жыл бұрын
I concur with you. Rev 6, Matt 24, and Luke 21:25-26 "there will be strange signs in the sun, moon, and stars and on earth nations in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides, ..the powers in the heavens will be shaken" before the great day of our Lord's return. Now that I have reread Luke 21 as prompted by the Lord, it is clear as v35 says, That day will come upon Everyone living on the earth. Yet this doesnt negate or take away from 1Thess 4:15-18 (there being some of us who survive past all that by His good sovereign will, it states " we who are still living when the Lord returns will Not meet Him Ahead of those who have died"). Also, I would suggest bearing in mind 2 Thess 2:3 and NOT take any literal mark of that beast on the head Nor the hand..
@TRUTHSEEKER12397
Жыл бұрын
The Bible would CLEARLY say that there are 2 separate comings, and it does nothing of the sort! If there were 2 separate comings the Bible would say "And then AGAIN you will see the Son of man coming!"
@peterclarke3990
Жыл бұрын
I guess the real answer to this whole topic is that currently, no one knows or understands the agenda of Jesus second coming other than of course what the Word of God states. There are so many differing views floating around, all probably genuine, based on each persons individual understanding of scripture. No one can stand up and stay ‘I know it all’. None of us will know until the events begin to happen and only those who have studied the Word of God and who are open to the leading of the Holy Spirit will understand just as it states in Daniel c12 v9. People will continue to speculate and present their particular view and provide biblical evidence to support it. Others will disagree with those views and again, will provide further biblical evidence to support their view. Best to not disagree over that which none of us can truly understand. If it was clearly understood, we wouldn’t be having this conversation would we! May the Lord Jesus bless all those who know and love Him in Spirit and truth.
@carmendewaal1844
Жыл бұрын
Yeshua is coming back in 2025 ...somewhere, Hold God's hand tight and don't fear judgement & you should make it...;-))) the angels that God sent to get earth out of 3D didn't fall with lucifer, thus we will not go through judgement, rapture is very near, the Bride 144,000 will see the tribulation and judgement, but will be kept safe & removed before 3 days of darkness, return after wards and hand out bread and water to those still alive in SA. God sent many New Revelations, check Jacob Lorber, Bertha Dudde...
@peterclarke3990
Жыл бұрын
@@carmendewaal1844 Can you point me to the chapter and verse in the Bible where it states that Jesus will return in 2025? How is it that you know what Jesus doesn’t? Matthew c24v36. I perceive that you are in error and following a false belief. You need to get right with the Lord now and repent! We don’t need any new revelations. The only revelation we need is the Word of God! You teaching is of the enemy and as such is to be totally rejected!
@trulyso734
Жыл бұрын
The agenda of His 2nd coming is to restore true justice.. or in other words, usher in His Millenium Kingdom and establish a new/better firmament of the heavens above us and a new/satan-chained sinless earth. A creation renewal by His own hand without any lofty human counterfeit help
@peterclarke3990
Жыл бұрын
@@trulyso734 And that’s what the Word of God declares. Jesus will deliver the kingdom up to His Father and His role as mediator will cease. However, the fact that there are so many different views on when He returned is the issue. For me, it’s quite straightforward. Matthew 24 makes it quite clear. This chapter incorporates 2 Thessalonians c2 and 1 Corinthians c15. We will not go through or see Gods wrath, but Matthew 24 makes it clear that the elect (the body of Christ/spiritual Israel) will go through the ‘tribulation of those days’ because after them, Jesus send His angels to the four winds to gather His elect. None of this can happen until AFTER the apostasy has taken place and the man of lawlessness has been revealed. Revealed to who? The body of Christ! No one else will recognise him. This will not happen until the Restrainer has been taken out of the way. He has been restraining since before Paul’s day. He is still restraining now. In my opinion, this can only mean that the Restrainer is none other than the Holy Spirit who is restraining the man of sin until the right eschatological time has come. We will know who he is when it happens,if of course we are still here at the time and have not gone home to be with the Lord. It is essential that we search and understand the Word of God, seek Him for wisdom, and be prepared for these events.
@F15CEAGLE1
8 ай бұрын
@@peterclarke3990There were no chapters and verse divisions in the original manuscripts.
@AbaloneKid
3 жыл бұрын
AT THE RAPTURE; the instant removal of the bride to meet our Lord above earth we will receive an imperishable sinless body like that of Jesus Christ. 1 Cor.15:51-57. First church believers who died and then those alive following them up.1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The Lord calls us from above Earth. I believe the Holy Spirit in us HEARS and actually removes us to His side! Our sin nature, Romans 3:23, is supernaturally removed and our sanctification (being holy) is completed as is our salvation so we can go to Heaven.Romans 6:23. Timing. We are NOT appointed to God's wrath! 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 5:9; Romans 5:8-9; Rev.3:10. The bride of Christ will not go through "Tribulation" when God judges the lost world left behind. No longer will evil be restrained as one of the ministries of the Holy Spirit. The bride is complete & home. That opens the door for the appearance of anti-Christ; Satan in human form! MORE TIMING OF RAPTURE See John 14:3; Titus chapter 2:verses 11-14. It is "IMMINENT"! "Maranatha" ("He comes") was the greeting to one another in the just formed church. They looked for Jesus to come in their time! WE TOO! Only God knows the time the last Christian is saved! Romans 11:25. This channel is a blessing known to God before the world was made. Ephesians 1:1-14 Subscribed. Thank you for this video and chance to praise our Lord. You are a blessed Saint. We are One body in Christ Jesus who knows this moment well. This praise rises up across the earth: "Jesus is Lord and only He saves". 2 Samuel 22: 50 "Therefore I will praise you, O Lord, out of the countries, and I will praise your name." THE GOOD NEWS Blood coming from all over his body and NAKED hanging on that cross like torture weapon! What a Lord and God and Savior! He had to do it. HE is God the Son and only His body and blood could pay the sins price of ALL ever! 1 John 2:1-2. JESUS SAVES Mark 16: verse 15: "And He said unto them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." How can anyone hear the "good" news? *Romans 10:17 "Then faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of God." God the Son has given us that command! We shall overcome any attacks and road blocks the enemy of our soul places in our path. The Lord is our shepherd. Psalm 23; Ephesians 6:10-18 (be in Christ and remember! the supernatural armor for battle God blessed in us by God the Holy Spirit) There is a CROWN in Heaven awaiting all who share the Gospel of Jesus Christ and a soul is saved. See 1 Thessalonians 2:19-20; Philippians 4:1. " For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming? 20 For you are our glory and joy." The Birth Of Jesus Christ Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the LORD shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and call His name Immanuel." Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל, "God with us" in human flesh but without sin. The Savior of the world was born to die for our sins! He did so 33 years later. His terrible ordeal, the body was mutilated, the blood was poured out, but the bones were not broken, buried in a Tomb and risen on the 3rd day. Isaiah 53:"5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23 "I am the way, the truth and the life: no one comes to the Father except through me." John 14.6 "1 Corinthians 15: 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; (remember His blood and body He gave! Remember Him in all we do!) 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: THE PAYMENT BY HIS BLOOD FOR ALL SINS EVER "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;." Ephesians 1:7 Matthew 26:28 "For this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the redemption of sins." "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:2 Romans 5:8 " But God demonstrates his love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, now justified by his blood, we will be saved from wrath through him." “For he (God) hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” 2 Corinthians 5:21. Ephesians 2:"8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sins and rescue us from eternal death. Because of Jesus' death on our behalf, all we have to do is believe in Him, trusting in His death and in the shedding of His blood as payment for our sins, as well as in His burial and resurrection from the dead the third day, and we will be saved! John 20:24-31; See 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Romans 10: 9 If you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Salvation and forgiveness of sins is a blessing of all who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. We receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit immediately which seals us in Christ Ephesians 1:13-14.This seal is permanent.Those who reject salvation, "perish"(John 3:16) which means their sins are judged and suffer conscious separation from God forever called the second death. Rev.21:8
@DevotedGospel1
3 жыл бұрын
@Abalone Kid Amen and amen: Thank you for sharing.
@TheocracyShawn
2 жыл бұрын
Tribulation and Wrath are 2 different things.. The word θλῖψις is used, which is trouble, distress, oppression, tribulation.. Yeshua himself says we will go through Tribulation in Matt 24!. θλῖψις is used over 100 times in the new testament and is always trouble, distress, oppression, tribulation. Never once does it translate as wrath.
@geo6740
Жыл бұрын
@@TheocracyShawn Yes, in Matthew 24 starting with verse 29 it says “Immediately AFTER the tribulation."
@dougsmith6346
Жыл бұрын
This entire essay is wrong. Where to start? Tribulation is not God’s wrath. That happens when he returns after the Trib. Re:imminence. Scripture doesn’t teach it. Peter had to die first for one. Second, the gospel must go forth to the uttermost parts of the earth THEN He returns. And the man of lawlessness must be defeated first.
@AbaloneKid
Жыл бұрын
@@dougsmith6346 Thanks for responding, Doug. May God richly bless you for His Glory.
@louispick2668
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The reason why the Thessalonians thought they missed the coming of the Lord and their gathering together is because they were taught that when Jesus comes with His angels in flaming fire that at that point they will receive rest from their persecution and being killed. Paul clearly told them that in 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9…They were not promised rest from persecution 7 years prior to Jesus coming with the angels in flaming fire punishing the wicked and vindicating the saints. So they received the letter and thought the day had come and were still wondering why they still were being persecuted and being put to death if Jesus had already come, because they were promised rest from their suffering when He comes. The comfort Paul was telling them in 1 Thessalonians 4 is not a pretrib rapture but that they would be with their dead loved ones again ( the ones who have fallen asleep) Jesus would bring them back and we who are alive would meet them in the air and will always be with them. So comfort one another with those words. Paul clearly was expressing that and not a 7 year earlier pretrib coming. Also, 2 Thessalonians 2:1 concerning the coming of our Lord and our gathering together to Him (rapture) that day (the rapture) can’t take place UNTIL 2 things must happen, the apostasy and the man of sin ( the antichrist) has to be revealed FIRST BEFORE His coming and our gathering together (the rapture).. That is opposite of what pretrib believes because they teach He who restrains has to be removed before the antichrist will be revealed. Also, look at all of the translations of “he” who restrains or “the one” who restrains as some translations state. The word “he” was never capitalized until the New King James and the new NASB bibles were made. Ever other translation NEVER capitalized he or the one. So ask yourselves why do you think they did that? To try and convince you that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit or the church to make this fairly new eschatological system work. Historical premillenialism always taught one more coming and at that one coming the wicked would be punished and saints would get rest from persecution at HIS coming with the angels in flaming fire. That terminology is always pertaining to the second coming (angels and fire) Just read your bible’s for what it is. You would never come to the pretrib dispensational teaching unless someone would’ve shown you it. With this position you have to have 2 of everything. 2 groups of elects, 2 groups of saints, 2 groups of martyrs, 2 thief in the night comings, 2 second comings, 2 appearings, 2 first resurrections etc.Its interesting that after chapter 3 in Revelation Jesus only speaks 1 more time before He speaks in chapter 22. He speaks in chapter 16 and after the 17th judgement Jesus says, “behold, I come like a thief? So did He come 7 years earlier as a thief and then 7 years later as a thief? Also, pretrib also states they we are the church of Philadelphia. Interesting that Jesus told THEM the church of Philadelphia, that He was going to keep THEM from the hour that was coming to try the whole earth? So if Jesus didn’t think they were going to see the hour because they were going to die and it would be thousands of years later for the hour to take place, why promise to keep them from it? So again, you have to create 2 hours that are coming to try the whole earth.
@jcwarrior7422
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The tribulation and the day of the Lord is 2 different event. Tribulation won't come from the Lord. We go through the tribulation, like we always do. Even from the days of the early Christians. At the end of the tribulation THEN "The Day of Lord" (the coming of Christ)
@jasont2986
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The comments in this video tell me that the Rapture is pre-Wrath. But the Wrath is not the Great Tribulation. The Rapture is at the last Trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:52 ; Revelation 11:15), which is prior to the Wrath (The Day of Lord). But prior to the Last Trump (Revelation 7:9) the multitude comes out of the Great Tribulation.
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