After seeing how complicated emerald generation is, I now have a new respect for treasure hunting missions
@AccelerateHedge
Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the club.
@MozyOnIn
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Ive been working on my hunting speed and so far I only am familiar with wild canyon and dry lagoon. It takea a hot minute and even then I will occasionally get blind sided by a more rare piece that doesnt come up often
@SavacGaming
2 жыл бұрын
That light is very sad. It just wants some friends.
@TheFrostedfirefly
Жыл бұрын
Random super obscure phenomena like this in videogames is always something I really love for some reason. Like, clearly this wasn't something the devs really thought too hard about, but the fact that it becomes an extreme rarity due to the way it's been implemented, suddenly makes it this thing which is really exciting to discover once you realise your chances for it are low. I think it's stuff like this which rekindles the spirit of the "rumour" gaming community that was at it's peak in the early 2000s.
@DawnSRC
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, within the Speedrun community this piece was very much like that. There are a few other pieces as well like in Wild Canyon that Speedrunners who have played the game for thousands of hours encounter a piece for the first time. Also yeah never forget Mew under the truck.
@irbful
Жыл бұрын
@@DawnSRC Could you cite some other extremely rare and specific pieces?
@LeoMyFriend
2 жыл бұрын
sad and lonely is right, what a low chance to spawn...super interesting topic, good work dawn!!
@TWK_Gamer
2 жыл бұрын
2:14 "sad dna lonely light"
@DawnSRC
2 жыл бұрын
It took me so long while making this video to realize that they didn't reverse the "and" in the hint. They really messed up with the Mad Space hints LOL
@stllr_
2 жыл бұрын
@@DawnSRC forever laughing at the fact that they just forgot to reverse any of the hints if you play in italian
@swatea32
Жыл бұрын
@@DawnSRC Wait til you notice that "light" isn't spelled backwards correctly either... this emerald piece is so cursed
@ananshasheta926
Жыл бұрын
Sad dna lonely lihgt
@MisterC123456
Жыл бұрын
Weird...I could swear that the hints were not only backwards, but also the later hints would be opposite. As in, they were wrong if you didnt reverse their meaning. But I either remember it wrong, or it was exclusive to the german language.
@Traitor1
2 жыл бұрын
What a beautifully made video that also ends up being the most succinct explanation for treasure hunting we have! Great job dawn!
@brianpso
2 жыл бұрын
That's crazy! And I'm 100% sure I've seen this piece beforr multiple times lmao. Is it possible to get it from a restart? Otherwise I'll be shocked to have seen it more than once. This was such a great video idea! I hope you upload more of these trivia videos, I'd love to know more about the game and especially hunting related stuff since it's what I know the least. Great stuff as always man, this was a nice surprise.
@DawnSRC
2 жыл бұрын
Ok so I reviewed the doc and this actually CAN also spawn from restart but it's still insanely rare. If the information I'm looking at here is correct its a 12/7140 chance to spawn or a 0.1% chance of spawning LOL
@brianpso
2 жыл бұрын
@@DawnSRC holy shit, that's super low lmao, thanks for looking that up!
@appletuntrainer
Жыл бұрын
@@brianpso same! I just had it spawn on my playthrough
@WDYMVenumB
Жыл бұрын
I've had this multiple times
@SilverPwns
6 ай бұрын
Can you post the document here?
@oddone_
Жыл бұрын
I had no idea so much thought went into the layout of emeralds. This is so interesting.
@NinjaFrog-nr3bs
2 жыл бұрын
I knew it had existed, I just didn't know much about it. Thankful to have awesome homies researching around to find out more about it. This is sick! Let's go 😤. Pumped for more content
@BlackLion45
2 жыл бұрын
Yo great video and thanks for explaining how piece generation works! It's nice for someone like me who only enjoys watching run but makes me appreciate them way more! ♥️
@artey6671
Жыл бұрын
I'm one of the people that hate the treasure collecting with a passion, but I found this interesting. Maybe this is one of those things that the developers overlooked, but made it more interesting as a result.
@davidtate2000
2 жыл бұрын
I am no longer sad and lonely now that a new Dawn video is out Good video
@Beatinperminute
2 жыл бұрын
this was a really great audiovisual explanation for sad + lonely light whens the explanation of the piece 2 in security hall that cannot spawn regardless of piece 1
@c5cha7
Жыл бұрын
Oh wow, a video that's not dragged out to be 12minutes long! Thank you!
@5h0ckblock
Жыл бұрын
Younger me who always died: I'll take your 0% chance and raise you 100%, with no hints
@ultralowspekken
Жыл бұрын
"Sad and Lonely Light" sounds like "Bold and Brash"'s sibling
@doomsdayrabbit4398
Жыл бұрын
More like Mad and Bony Night.
@Stexen
2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. I hope your channel gets big!
@DawnSRC
2 жыл бұрын
Yo thanks! I appreciate the continued support!
@mango1951
2 жыл бұрын
I love that tethys is "Playing with his nuts" in that screenshot you took of the discord
@wegiso
2 жыл бұрын
this is pretty solid and nice! I haven't seen sad and lonely light before so someday I wanna get it
@TheDarkEnigma
Жыл бұрын
I think i had this piece 3 times. Yet never realised that it was such a rare occurrence due to my smooth child brain not realising that the situation matched every time i got My respect for the dedication here.
@Emerldd
2 жыл бұрын
you know what else is rare? me liking a video. But THIS VIDEO?? its gonna make me act up frfr 😳 another banger from the one and only Dawn Senior
@DawnSRC
2 жыл бұрын
NO WAY, is that THE EMERLDD!?!?! Thanks homie means a lot
@MrLachapell
Жыл бұрын
What
@Emerldd
Жыл бұрын
@@MrLachapell I said what I said Chrisx8 😳😳😳😳😳😳
@deandelvin9924
Ай бұрын
Time traveler: (moves a chair) One Piece:
@Choa
2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea the emerald piece generation was so complex, great video and editing!😀
@Luckingsworth
2 жыл бұрын
In no way is it complex. It randomly picks one, then only spawns the next one in an area far away. Basically as simple as it gets.
@SilverLining1
Жыл бұрын
@@Luckingsworth By the same logic cellular automata isn't complex, and that's an entire field of study. Sometimes simple rules generate complex things
@Flubbler06
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video as always. That reaction is gold XD
@JamesGamesTreasureHunting
Жыл бұрын
As someone who loves treasure hunting I really appreciate this breakdown! Hope to see more of this!
@MozyOnIn
Жыл бұрын
I did NOT know u could run up that monolith in big oasis. Took me a couple tries but it was very satisfying and always good to know more speedrunning strats for this game thank u!
@DawnSRC
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah that strat is so cool for how simple it is haha. Absolute gamechanger.
@SeppelSquirrel
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for shining a sad and lonely light on this emerald piece.
@SilentVinyl
Жыл бұрын
That explains it's name
@Mobius14
Жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure ive seen this piece before as a kid. I died all the hecking time on Mad Space when going for A rank because I just bloody hated this stage, and I swear to god I remember seeing this one once and being really confused where it was.
@Piant_Genis
Жыл бұрын
Bruh I KNOW I've seen this before. I played SA2 a lot though so it doesn't surprise me
@JarvisBaileyVA
Жыл бұрын
Sad and lonely light is still easier to find than my father
@louism771
Жыл бұрын
Interesting video! The emerald system is indeed pretty complicated, probs to the speed runners out there. In the original version on a real Dreamcast i once encountered a weird bug in Death Chamber featuring a key that's supposed to circle around some pillars changing it's movement behavior and flying way out of bounds. This made the key uncollectable without clipping Knuckles out of bounds also. After the greater part of an hour I catched it flying into bounds again. I got a recording somewhere but never uploaded it
@DyxoXinoro
Жыл бұрын
With chances that low Sad and Lonely Light sure do be living up to its nams
@MegamanXfan21xx
Жыл бұрын
I'm more amazed that someone actually bothered to learn the ins and outs of the worst stage in the game.
@dakufaia657
Жыл бұрын
i guess the lonely light is sad because it hasn't seen it's best friend emerald piece for a long time
@a.s.3904
Жыл бұрын
I saw this mentioned already in the comments, but I often restart on this level when I feel I'm taking too long to get the pieces. (Too much need to go fast. LOL!) I find that this piece generates from restarting quite "regularly" because of how often I end up restarting this level on my play throughs. Also, thanks for making this. I love seeing videos talking about the chances of "an event" occurring.
@SacredFaerie
Жыл бұрын
Honestly it's magical that death can exploit the mechanics to allow this piece to ever spawn
@JayboCorp.2014
Жыл бұрын
This is crazy; I've gotten this once when I was younger, wouldn't have guessed that it was this rare but I probably haven't seen it since before I was a teenager. This is an extremely interesting video.
@west-oak5192
Жыл бұрын
This was extremely interesting and informative. Thank you so much! I never would’ve known how the coding specifics would’ve worked or that “sad and lonely light” was such a rare hint. Thank you! Aw! Thank you so much for “hearting” my comment! I am humbled.
@hubguy
Жыл бұрын
There’s no way that name was a coincidence lol
@finalrush7
Жыл бұрын
cool stuff, didn't know about that. the sad and lonely light... so fitting. I have seen it multiple times as well but that comes from playing this game so freaking much :P
@CommanderBravo2
11 ай бұрын
i always wondered why there wasnt a readily available list of emerald locations online, now i understand lol
@phyllojoe5346
Жыл бұрын
Damn I always thought there were like 20 different emerald locations per stage max
@DawnSRC
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s crazy there are more like 100 on average. And Speedrunners memorize all of them, well maybe not Sad and Lonely Light.
@dexterweeb2411
Жыл бұрын
Was going for all A ranks for all levels and distinctly remember that piece spawning in one of my games. I didn't think much of it but I didn't think it was this rare. A 0.1% chance is insane. I should play the lottery.
@AdeptArcanist
Жыл бұрын
Oh dang, that’s so neat!
@desnout
Жыл бұрын
That's funny. I've played SA2 once again recently and got this piece. Didn't even knew it was so rare
@D.v-O4u2c
Жыл бұрын
yooooo i swear ive gotten this! after seeing where the piece was in the video i was immediately hit with a wave of anger and frustration i could recall years ago. thats so crazy i never thought it was that rare but looking back it made so much sense!
@CKDEV
2 жыл бұрын
This is a sad and lonely light it seems.
@DoctorSwellman
2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@SilverLining1
Жыл бұрын
I want to know about all the other rare pieces now! Which pieces are within the closest half for all but one of the previous pieces?
@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon
Жыл бұрын
Not a fan of the treasure hunting levels but this was really interesting.
@Vyhox2000
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I always enjoy explanations of how game programming works
@wollywog42
Жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a mod that has you collect every possible emerald throughout each of these stages. Maybe it would generate each one by one so there aren’t just a dozen stacked next to each other
@DawnSRC
Жыл бұрын
yeeeeeeeah a mod like this would be really cool. Although it doesn't seem super possible from what I've heard. We've talked about it for practicing purposes before.
@selassieaspen9940
Жыл бұрын
@@DawnSRC It wouldn't be possible like you said it all depends on the first pieces of shit rock!
@sannanananaaa
Жыл бұрын
I played sadx's treasure hunt for months and wanted to try sa2's but the ghost jumpscares spooked me out of it lol, still love to watch other people play them tho
@DawnSRC
Жыл бұрын
Knuckles movement in SA2 is really good! They refined it so well after SA1 but yeah the atmosphere of the stages are spooky.
@CoolGamer4161
Жыл бұрын
I’ve absolutely gotten that piece a few times. I had no idea it was that rare. Though I can’t remember if I had indeed died before it spawned. That’s crazy
@EpicBongZilla
Жыл бұрын
I've had this emerald spawn 1 time in my 1000s of hours of gameplay.
@Liks_on_youtube
Жыл бұрын
Just : " tghil ylenol and das" --> gives : "sad dna lonely lihgt" XD A little mistake from the translators I suppose.
@DawnSRC
Жыл бұрын
Shoutout to the Sad DNA
@Liks_on_youtube
Жыл бұрын
@@DawnSRC And the lonely lihgt !
@fishybiller7896
7 ай бұрын
"sad dna lonely lihgt" is the exact clue reversed. with the typo
@ReeBoi17
Жыл бұрын
As a kid- I actually REALLY hated these levels. I just wanted to run as Sonic lol.
@CaciqueVanGuard
Жыл бұрын
Sad and forever alone shard
@amilueur
Жыл бұрын
It's rarer to not die for people that only play the stage once.
@Schnort
Жыл бұрын
This is not at all useful information, but boy am I interested People could talk to me about the most niche things in Sa2 and I'd be at full attention the whole time.
@xOwlBear
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't understand sh**, my brain just exploded.
@DawnSRC
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was trying my best to avoid this, My bad lol
@xOwlBear
2 жыл бұрын
@@DawnSRC Don't worry, I still appreciate the work you put on the video. Thanks.
@corphish129
Жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm 90% sure I've done this one.
@vexzel5550
Жыл бұрын
I didn't understand but I enjoyed the video
@lnazumaKanon
Жыл бұрын
It’s 0% in Solo because it’s Rng manip to make it come out of 2p modes Emerald roster
@ericsbuds
Жыл бұрын
very interesting!
@elibonham4388
2 жыл бұрын
I may have gotten that peice before in sa2 I'm not entirely sure
@DawnSRC
2 жыл бұрын
Well now you know how to get it for sure if you want :)
@elibonham4388
2 жыл бұрын
@@DawnSRC I always thought stuff like althe master emerald peice, ending up in a train that's closed up in pumpkin Hill or the little area in dry lagoon were the rarest cuz I've only seen those specific peices a handful of time and i play this game a lot.
@mikeycoolmoney9184
2 жыл бұрын
I heard people take selfies next to “Tic Tac Toe” and not “Sad and lonely light” so you tell me which one is rarer
@DawnSRC
2 жыл бұрын
Tic Tac Toe is the more infamous piece for sure. Gotta save that for a future vid tho :)
@MonsterSlam12
Жыл бұрын
um is 3:41 showing the location of sad and lonely light emerald? Bc I happened to be trying to A rank this stage last night and I'm pretty sure I got that piece. That's actually insane. Cool vid
@2DWomenGod
8 ай бұрын
i had this happened to me yesterday. thought nothing much about it but another sa2 glitch tho
@YTHandlesBlow
Жыл бұрын
Its the rarest but seen it often oddly enough. My thoughts are this, getting a kid in elementary school to find these bloody gems and dying after getting 1 isnt too uncommon oddly enough. As a kid I learned if I like a game I would just delete my files to playthrough games again, went through the game a few times on Dreamcast before our DC broke down then got SA2 battle after its release. I will always dislike hunting in SA2 compared to SA1 lol but have way more fond memories in SA2 cause you can 2-player verse in that game.
@jeevannair393
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting
@kirbymastah
2 жыл бұрын
Sad and lonely cydPunchy
@stllr_
2 жыл бұрын
post sheeshmar for the algorithm
@DawnSRC
2 жыл бұрын
SHEESHMAR
@mellowminty
Жыл бұрын
i've def seen this piece because i've spent the most time on rouge's levels because i like them the most and i was going for her all As (yes i even tolerate the fucked up gravity on mad space).
@rezenhasqn8308
Жыл бұрын
Wait, I got the "thgiL ylenoL dna daS" in my last play, that was yesterday, I didn't even knew it was rare, that's so cool!! Ps:. I was playing with the "Dark Story Snapcube fandub mod" so I don't know if this mod makes the piece spawn more often 🤷♂️
@shovelclaws
2 жыл бұрын
banger
@CybeastID
Жыл бұрын
I've seen this piece, I swear!
@nateg7723
Жыл бұрын
Wow I got this on accident before. I remember it was the 4th mission for mad space and was on a time scrunch and did the level so many times and the time I beat it I died after getting the first emerald and read the hint like wtf does that mean? Flew around till I found it
@SavacGaming
Жыл бұрын
You cannot ever encounter this piece on Mission 4. It's not possible.
@ld-service8534
Жыл бұрын
Wait! I have gotten that! I swear! Wow! I must be very lucky!
@Vestigial__
Жыл бұрын
Idk about it being "incredibly deep"
@DawnSRC
Жыл бұрын
I’m incredibly deep in your mom
@seanbrennan5192
Жыл бұрын
How come sometimes I collect emerald 2 and 3 before I even get emerald 1?
@DawnSRC
Жыл бұрын
This is what we in the Speedrun scene call, a Free Piece. Very nice to find them out of order.
@thruthestratosphere
Жыл бұрын
i cant find anything explaining the algorithm for emerald generation! where were you able to learn? is there a source you can tell me about? itd be great if you made a video on it! i joined ur discord server btw :D
@orangesilver8
Жыл бұрын
You were a bit light on the explanation. So sad and lonely light is so close to every emerald that it's always in the closest half of emerald shards. Right? That wasn't said. But the only one it's a bit further from is the machine guarding the box. So you have to get machine guarding the box as emerald 1. But when it's emerald 1 that reduces the number of emeralds that can be emerald 2 so sad and lonely light is again in the closest half of emerald shards. So you need to get machine guarding the box as emerald 1, then die so machine guarding the box becomes available for emerald 2 again to put sad and lonely light out of the closest half of emerald shards?
@DawnSRC
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, you seem to have internalized it at least. There were points I should have driven home harder but it’s hard when you have a topic that’s already so complicated, don’t wanna overload people. What you typed out here is correct from first read through.
@Sonicfalcon16
Жыл бұрын
Cool. Is there a place that lists call the hint names for each piece? Ive never seen it before and I'ld like to read them
@Vantoxify
2 жыл бұрын
Neat!
@SilverPwns
6 ай бұрын
I read online this thing about prices that are in the games files but go unused in Egg Quarters, Death Chamber, and Security Hall. Do you have any idea why they wouldn't spawn?
@YashichiDSF
2 жыл бұрын
good video
@teamdoubleR
2 жыл бұрын
nice
@Ultimaximus
Жыл бұрын
So this means that after collecting piece 1 from an enemy and dying, piece 2 can be generated in the exact same enemy as piece 1? I didn't catch that on the first watch because it's just stated that "it's back in contention to be piece 2" focusing on this specific example without this being stated as a general rule, and because the footage shows Rouge collecting it only as piece 1 while you're talking about piece 2 generation
@DawnSRC
Жыл бұрын
Not exactly. This vid was very hard to present all of the information well and simply but yeah if you die the Enemy is re-generated. The total of the piece 2's in consideration is bumped up by one because it's back on the table even if it won't be selected. This adds one to the list of pieces that can be chosen from though.
@mike406
Жыл бұрын
@@DawnSRC Still a bit confused since if it’s distance based, how does the robot being respawned change the outcome? The lonely light is still the same distance away from the P1 that was originally in the robot. Is the game ignoring the distance calculation after dying when re-generating the P2?
@tatlxtael2303
Жыл бұрын
So it’s able to spawn after all???
@nickdegugs7190
Жыл бұрын
So where is SALL located anyway?
@TheProswagonist
2 жыл бұрын
So can this piece appear if you get a different P1 than machine that guards the container? I feel like I've have seen the piece before but I might either be misremebering or it came from a different P1 that allows lonely island on a normal playthrough.
@SilverLining1
Жыл бұрын
From this video's explanation, no. It is within the closer half of P2s for all P1s, as in it is always the 17th piece away or closer (when not including the P1 itself). Only by getting a piece from an enemy and dying can the 17th farthest piece can spawn. Since sad and lonely light is always within the closest 17, to make it spawn you do need P1 to come from an enemy to perform this trick and it needs to be exactly the 17th away P2 (pre respawn) from that P1. I assume there are no other enemy pieces for which sad and lonely light is exactly the 17th closest.
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