I think the confession of how Thunder Hawk can be born in Mexico but part of a tribe native to America comes from acknowledgement of boarders. I'm sure a tribe could be in Mexico and Southern United States at the same time, since the natives predate the formation of those boarders.
@Riz_
Жыл бұрын
Really nicely done as always Baberuthless, I have to agree with you on the T-Hawk theme, it's different from everything else in the Super Street Fighter 2 sound track but I like it. I also do like the overclock remake.
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
The OC remix ver is certainly my favorite I think it captures the OGs feel perfectly !
@jaybonny1954
Жыл бұрын
Faaacts FGC has no ears, the T-Hawk themes are criminally neglected. That main melody is like a tattoo for my brain. SFV Zangief and the new Battle Hub jazz mix in SF6 also masterpieces
@skeezicksz
Жыл бұрын
Nice work! This was always one of my favorite sf2 stages the Aztec guys are just so cool
@EKsUrbanTracks
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely loved your video! And thanks for talking about music as well, it's 100% part of the stage!
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Love talking about the music that’s half the stage to me 😊
@BrianM_3rd
Жыл бұрын
Great video as always! Super engaging and easy to watch. I, and I think most SSF2X players, have a bit of a love-hate thing with Hawk's stage. To me, Hawk's stage is the sound of the arcade. Since basically nobody plays Hawk, the machines almost always inevitably end up stuck on his stage after every other character has been played. So it inadvertently has that emotional connection of hearing his theme upon arrival off in the distance and feeling the excitement of the hours of offline fun that await. But since his stage is so bright and monochrome, however, it can be pretty unpleasant to play on for long periods of time!
@MrElbowsmash
10 ай бұрын
I agree with you about T. Hawk's theme. It's a vibe, and makes me wanna ride the dusty trail in a horse-drawn caravan.
@iwdm1313
Жыл бұрын
This kind of stage and bgm breakdown are sick, great vid!
@KaneBlueriver
Жыл бұрын
I was here in 2013! Beautiful place for sure
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
That’s awesome!definitely need to check it out at some point I’m going to Mexico soon so hopefully I can swing by there!
@KaneBlueriver
Жыл бұрын
@@baberuthless Guadalajara actually is pretty active in terms of FGC so who knows, you might be able to have an event as a good excuse to visit!
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
I would love that! It looks so beautiful
@LJSheffRBLX
Жыл бұрын
great video keep it up dude
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! ☺️
@ararebeast
Жыл бұрын
New Mexican Thunderbird is such a good track even if it served to confuse me as to where T. Hawk was from for a bit.
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
I had never considered eye strain with a stage as bright as this to give any eye irritation but that makes sense when compared to most of the other stages
@BATCHARRO
Жыл бұрын
If I had to explain T. Hawk's...poorly researched depiction I'd say he IS part of a Mexican indigenous tribe, but he dresses as a different kind of Native group as a costume? Like, that's his wrestling persona, so to speak. Maybe he's like "I made this stereotypical Injun disguise because Shadaloo would absolutely spot me as one of the guys bent on revenge they created. Plus, you guys couldn't tell an Apache from a Guayupe anyway, so that's how I make my money at whatever performance type job I do." I mean ideally next time we see T. Hawk they'd have a more accurate costume, and it seems they're moving that way from that with Lily so we're probably not gonna see some kind of T. Hawk revamp anytime soon anyway. But that's how I'd do that.
@aaronhibiki
Жыл бұрын
I don’t know if you’ve heard about American filibustering (the military term not the political term). I’m probably gonna describe this poorly cuz I’m doing it from a distant memory but during and after the Civil War they had guys on both sides basically running Native Americans over the Mexican border to basically destabilize and hunt them down. I could be wrong but as a result of all this chaos, I believe there are patches of Apache and other tribes with land in Mexico as a result of the chaos from this. It’s actually a big part of the plot of Cormac Macarthy’s Blood Meridian. That’s why I never questioned T. Hawk’s origin. lol
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
That seems to mirror Thawks origin in a way as well. Which now knowing what you said is kind of in poor taste. Since capcom are weirdly recognizing that horrible event in history but instead replacing America with Shadowloo.
@ezy360
4 ай бұрын
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@blueroman460
Жыл бұрын
Informative video!
@FancifulDancingStar
Жыл бұрын
Hmmm, in regards to T. Hawk's ancestry, I think his design is mostly just something that's stereotypically Native American (I think the "American" in Native American simply refers to the continent and not the country). What I can say regarding his conception was that he was in some form based on Geronimo, a real-life Native American and historical figure who was technically an indigenous Mexican (yes, he was an Apache and he was born in Arizona, but during his lifetime, Arizona was part of Mexico and not the U.S.), and was even planned by Capcom of Japan to be named Geronimo... until Capcom U.S.A. told them that might come off as insensitive/offensive, so they had to change the name. So, T. Hawk's kind of just a hodgepodge of different Native American influences, I think. While some of his influence is definitely more South-Western U.S., there's the technicality that the real-life person he was based on lived in that area when it was still part of Mexico. But, obviously that wouldn't be the case in the modern setting of Street Fighter. Capcom probably just didn't quite have all their facts straight. Being of both Native blood and Mexican ancestry (though from different parents), I can at least still appreciate the effort that was put in, and I do love T. Hawk as a character. Great video as usual, btw! T. Hawk in general seems to be one of the more underrated SF characters. Actually, it's kinda funny how all of the New Challengers minus Cammy seem to often get overlooked compared to the World Warriors and the Grand Masters.
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
I agree I do think T hawk and the other new challengers side from cammy do get very much overlooked. I’m glad all of them are in alpha 3 and SF4 but I dunno I don’t see the same excitement for them as I do the others.
@gloverdragon6854
Жыл бұрын
“The real life location of t.hawks stage”….ayoooo, that title alone dragged me in!
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Hope you like it!
@shincath5695
Жыл бұрын
For me, it was really curious to see this place on a Game first and then in real life. When I went there, I tought "hey this is the T.Hawk stage!" I'm happy that you choose this stage for a video. Love your content! Greetings from Mexico!!!!
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much I’m glad you enjoyed it 😁
@DonVecta
Жыл бұрын
As Mexican, I could never identify myself with T. Hawk as he looks and feels more like a Native American rather than being from a Mexican ethnic group. I guess Capcom had no idea whatsoever about Mexican cultures (also that's the reason I can't relate Lily as one of us either). However, the stage was pretty accurate in a lot of things (although I'm positive there's no wet market in Hospicio Cabañas). Place is quite nice and yeah, Hospicio Cabañas is gorgeous.
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Yea I don’t think a market is at this location at all but perhaps they have temporary festivals that have these markets but I couldn’t find proof of that
@BackForwardPunch
Жыл бұрын
Your research and attention to detail on these consistently impresses! Very cool to see the real locations that were the inspiration for these stages
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton! Very nice of you to say ☺️
@aznpikachu215
Жыл бұрын
Well done on another video!
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! ☺️
@Shockbrawler
Жыл бұрын
As a mexican myself, this was a pleasant surprise! I visited this place years back and seeing the details of the video here is a nostalgic trip xD. Even my fgc friends from mexico have debated on where t.hawk is really from but we do consider him as indigenous mexican 🇲🇽 ^_^ Excellent Work With This Video! Hope to see more as time goes on!
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Thanks shock! Happy to do you proud! I would love to visit here someday very soon!
@Shockbrawler
Жыл бұрын
@baberuthless it's a beautiful country to visit at & lots to explore including the beaches! ^_^
@allariruiz-rueda3041
8 ай бұрын
T.Hawk always seemed to me that his background is in a sonoran setting, minus the out of place Guadalajaran building XD
@alexmercer6263
Жыл бұрын
i always imagined T. Hawk was a plains indian (some examples being the sioux, pawnee, and blackfeet) due to the tipis in his usf4 story intro. his headband with a single feather in it would suggest eastern woodlands though. so to be honest it was probably capcom throwing in a bunch of native american stereotypes. but in my mind, hes indigenous american, but he had to relocate to mexico. The thunderfoot tribe still lives there as of SF6 , with Lily described as a mexican of thunderfoot descent, and her stage being full of decorated mobile homes.
@WhiskeyTango0420
Жыл бұрын
Whoa, it's a real place?!
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Hell yea!
@chazmaru9583
Жыл бұрын
Ultra SFII…I adore that weirdo little brother version.
@Moon-Drop93
Жыл бұрын
Love this stage growing up since I’m Mexican but I’ve always felt mix about T.Hawk design even as a kid I felt that they screwed up and somehow mixed Native American culture with Mexican but who knows. Great video like always
@DonVecta
Жыл бұрын
Glad I wasn't the one who couldn't relate with him being truly Mexican. But the stage rocks, nevertheless.
@alexredfield1943
8 ай бұрын
I wonder how and why Capcom decided on that location for the stage. I'm from the north of Mexico and I would have never known that hospicio cabañas place if not for this game, it is not that well known nation-wide. Also, if T. Hawk is from Sonora, why not make his stage in Sonora? It's weird. Speaking for myself, I don't consider him mexican, he looks too much like a native american. I also don't really like El Fuerte or Lily, so I'll keep waiting for a respectable mexican street fighter
@baberuthless
8 ай бұрын
Im shocked they havent made more attmepts beyond the 3 characters i know about. Same with Canada funny enough
@imahentai
8 ай бұрын
Born and raised in Guadalajara myself I always felt somewhat proud that "we appear" on one of my favorite games lol we always take foreign members of the FGC to this place such as Combofiend, KBR, Cloud805, Angelic, Chris G, Kita Senju, among others, and they love it. You did justice to the history of the Hospicio, I will show your video to complement the visit from now on, thank you! :)
@baberuthless
8 ай бұрын
That means a lot thank you so much! I hope I can visit this place someday soon as well ☺️
@imahentai
8 ай бұрын
@@baberuthless if you do and want to have a tour around like the other guys, just let me know! We'd be glad to show you around. Heck you could maybe do a video about Lily and T.Hawk with your own footage! 🤓
@obeso84
6 ай бұрын
Btw the name T. Hawk might also have originated from a Mexican Catholic Legend about a native who's name was Tizoc (if you know Garou Mark of the wolves, this is where the name comes from) I always though that the name T. Hawk was very close in pronounciation to the name Tizoc
@obeso84
6 ай бұрын
There's an indigenous tribe that resides in the mexicali Valley and the close to the death Valley in California, not too far from the Sonoran desert known as the Cocopah (Cucapá). Since I grew up in that part of Mexico I assumed that it T. Hawk was alluding to these groups. Another group of indigenous people to consider, might be the Yaqui, from central/ southern Sonora in Mexico. Hope this helps to illustrate the social landscape and the connections with this awesome character.
@nomems
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been obsessed with fighting games art (mainly SF) since 1985. Currently developing the concept of a retro style fighting game based in Mexican culture, where I was born. Thanks for you great videos, truly a great inspiration of careful research, attention to detail and putting out great content. I’m a fan of your channel since the Cammy stage video. Hope we can chat sometime.
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Happy to do it justice ☺️
@sandplasma
3 ай бұрын
My friend and I always said he looked more like a Navajo than Mexican indigenous.
@jakqatif
Жыл бұрын
T hawk is a great character, great design , great stage, great theme , his fighting style is not much but suits him very well being a native american with with hawk spirit. But he lacks something!! I don't know what it is but he needs more to shine Great video ✨👏
@MagillanicaLouM
Жыл бұрын
All this stage reminds me of is T.Hawk beating my ass whenever I boot up arcade mode lol. But pretty cool irl history here
@schlarmo7081
Жыл бұрын
I never heard t.hawk's sf2 theme till it showed up in sf6 and i was so surprised by how good it is but also that i never heard it before. Its crazy a song that good is just not talked about as much
@MegaHoro
5 ай бұрын
I find the Street Fighter 2 music more catchy than that of 6; it'd be cool if they had the option. This is a nice one
@kiritomato187
Жыл бұрын
I went to Guadalajara like a year ago, although I couldn't find that place...
@bluegold1026
Жыл бұрын
I never considered the possibility that T. Hawk's stage was an IRL place in Mexico. And right there in the middle of Guadalajara! I was thinking it would be in central or north-central Mexico. 6:55 The instruments that make up a Mariachi band! Makes perfect sense. May I make a suggestion? For the sake of consistancy, I suggest adding "Stage Breakdown" or "Stage(s) Explained" to the titles of all your vids. This vid, for example, you can keep the "The real life location..." on it as a sort-of tagline to draw people in, just so long as "Stage Breakdown" or "Stage(s) Explained" remains in the title. I dunno if I'm just being nitpicky, but it's just nice to know what to expect.
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Nah not not picky at all trust me. I go back and forth and I actually do not like the name stage break down at all and I’m debating dropping it all together
@bluegold1026
Жыл бұрын
@@baberuthless then never mind. It was just a suggestion. Still a great vid, you learn something new every day
@alexisreyes753
Ай бұрын
omg i live here and never notices this, thanks xD
@MaleficDaydream
Жыл бұрын
Another great video. Your Spanish pronounciation is very good 😊
@Gilbot9000
8 ай бұрын
Found you on Brian_F's recommendation and have been working through your back catalog of stuff. Everything is so rad. I subscribed and I'm looking forward to more.
@baberuthless
8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! You don’t have to wait long either 😁
@hefdef9961
Жыл бұрын
it actually takes place in street fighter! hope this helps x
@Tempora158
Жыл бұрын
5:53 Sony Handycams like the model CCD-TR91 already exist in the year 1993, so a tourist wouldn't be using a shoulder mounted video camera to take home videos and the camera held by the guy in the HD Remix version of the background at 5:42 isn't anachronistic.
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Your certainly right I wish I expressed that a digital camera probably wouldn’t be used then and that’s why in the OG stage it’s a photo camera in that version
@Upsideround
Жыл бұрын
Great work again Baberuthless!
@blackjaguar324
10 ай бұрын
How about T. Hawk's Street Fighter Alpha 3 stage and theme?
@baberuthless
10 ай бұрын
That among others are in the holster for an alpha 3 vid. I didn’t talk about Cammys alpha 3 stage either
@kalasatwater2224
4 ай бұрын
Thanks was looking for this
@stevenwhuntva
Жыл бұрын
What does it read on the left of the stage?
@RigbyIsTheMan
Жыл бұрын
Hope you do a video on the third strike stages or maybe some kof
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
I did kof 97 already but I am overdue for some SF3 of any kind and snk games as a whole
@luna_kits2345
Жыл бұрын
T. Hawk in SF6 anyone?
@angelvoir2297
Жыл бұрын
Actually, the design of T, Hawk does come from Mexico In regions like Sonora, Chihuahua and Baja California there were groups of Native Americans who escaped to Mexico and settled here Pero si de Mexicanos hablamos, todos sabemos que el mejor diseño de un mexicano en Street Fighter es El Fuerte
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Lol I like el fuerte but I had thought he wasn’t popular?
@angelvoir2297
Жыл бұрын
@@baberuthlessIt is my Main in SFIV and it is unpopular in the competitive field, but many Latin Americans are very fond of it for the effort on its behalf Similar to the team from Mexico in KoF, which we also adore because of the context behind it (Angel, hey, that's my name :3, I mean, Angel was designed by Mexicans after a tournament with the CEO of SNK)
@rickescuna
Жыл бұрын
hit me up somehow
@rachelespiritu4215
Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@WooMaster777
Жыл бұрын
I LOVE this!!! I never knew about that place! Hospicios Cabanas looks gorgeous! Thank you! ❤
@jing4122
Жыл бұрын
Actually visited this place when i went to mexico this past winter completely forgot it was T Hawks stage, great work as always
@fallayodreams
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for scratching that SF lore itch I didn't know I had. Never thought I'd see anyone doing this. Keep it up.
@soulwarrior5791
Жыл бұрын
You should do an analysis of Chun-Li stages sometime! (Various iterations of her SF2 stage, SFA series and SF3 stage)
@baberuthless
Жыл бұрын
Oh I certainly will!
@soulwarrior5791
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!💙
@nimhard
Жыл бұрын
I remember T. Hawk was based in Mexico but he was a Native Americn from the U.S. originally, at least when the game was released he was referred to as American.
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