To me, the latency issue one should be top of the list. Freezing groups and sandboxing are the next two big ones. Then having more available colored grouping options in the browser is next.
@LedgerLiner
10 ай бұрын
Noob ever heard resampling from drop down menu? Noob there always be latency noob
@tracewidth
10 ай бұрын
Every time Ableton crashes because of some plug-in error it looks like a chump.
@vaina2
10 ай бұрын
amen, i want bounce in place or even hybrid audio/midi tracks like bitwig. abletons audio editing is so powerful but the resampling workflow is just cumbersome. native integration of modulators instead of the unstable and poorly optimised max4live options would be cool too
@MULTIMAN-MUSIC
10 ай бұрын
Agreed to all of that... Those are the features I´m missing.
@vroteg
10 ай бұрын
In live pdc is per track. In bitwig per project. Hence why this happens. And to change it, well… they need to recode live from ground up. Not shire if they can.
@themarcos150591
10 ай бұрын
I think Ableton should implement only one thing: a pair of ears to listen to their customers
@sacredgeometry
10 ай бұрын
The reason its getting worse is because they are listening to their users. Most of which have no fucking clue what they are talking about.
@ganko2240
9 ай бұрын
They did, but the subsequent fingertip update negates the whole thing.
@Allan-et5ig
9 ай бұрын
Success makes that unnecessary - it seems to, at times feel. Your comment is the best one on the thread. Any Ableton thread.
@sacredgeometry
9 ай бұрын
@@Allan-et5ig It isn't, its the most selfish, egocentric and myopic one.
@jimlanpheer5281
8 ай бұрын
Ableton 12 already? Fix my near-daily version 11 crashes first please…🤞🏼
@korallsthlm
10 ай бұрын
As someone who went from Logic to Live and knows how fast bip is in logic, bounce in place is sooo necessary. Huge timesaver
@LedgerLiner
10 ай бұрын
Noob omg ahahahajaj😂😂😂😂
@2BTO
10 ай бұрын
As an FL user who got it relatively recently, facts
@pico5631
10 ай бұрын
This is so true I’ve been asking for bip for years now! It’s not so hard ableton we don’t need another synth or new devices, come on
@kostoglotow
10 ай бұрын
CTRL + B gang ✊🏾
@scamculture
10 ай бұрын
lmaoo rite I was so confused seeing ableton users route something to another track and record it
@DafterHindi
10 ай бұрын
As a reaper user not being able to customise keyboard shortcuts is absurd
@rorz999
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, the option should be there really even if most people wouldn't use it. It may entice users of other DAWs to switch if they can take their shortcuts with them. On the other hand, having universal shortcuts for all users is handy when they are giving each other tips / asking each other how to do things
@seanrynhard4764
6 ай бұрын
on a mac you can customize shortcuts
@steelesaldutti
10 ай бұрын
1. Latency compensation 2. Tuning plugin (e.g. melodyne) 3. More collections 4. Freeze groups
@Teddyrobinson
10 ай бұрын
An in-built tuning plugin would be amazing
@saxyrep1
9 ай бұрын
5-Stem separation stock plugin 6-Better 3rd party plugin organisation 7-Time signature change but this one's should be available in 12 so, that's cool.
@freashty
9 ай бұрын
I don't really use autotunes but can someone explain to me what you can do with melodyne that you couldn't do with frequency shifter, resonator, or vocoder?
@Teddyrobinson
9 ай бұрын
@@freashty Melodyne automatically spreads every syllable of a vocal into a scale and lets you adjust the tune, gain and time stretch/ Super super useful. Logic has it built in
@freashty
9 ай бұрын
@@Teddyrobinson i guess my question is more like could you not just chop the vocal on the syllables and then adjust the gain, pitch, and stretch of each one using the audio clip controls?
@lusid_music_uk
10 ай бұрын
Feel like a broken record at this point! Comon ableton please! -Freeze/Flatten Groups -Strip Silence -Remove disabled plugins & unused tracks -shortcut to pitch automation -clip gain shortcut with visual feedback -more collections -individual DRY/WET controls (0:100) -Gain compensation on saturation & dynamics plugins -sandboxing plugins -stop rending entire length of song for short clip consolidation
@Sinnersainthuman
10 ай бұрын
Latency issues and CPU overload should be fixed once and for all before anything else
@valdir7426
10 ай бұрын
latency issue is fixed actually; they just didn't put in the ad video.
@Sinnersainthuman
10 ай бұрын
@@valdir7426 have you tested it ? and what about CPU?
@valdir7426
10 ай бұрын
@@Sinnersainthuman I haven't tested it; they added an option to turn the monitoring latency off whitout turning off the monitoring. essentialy if you have monitor off and monitor on the recording will be at the same place unlike how it was before. that solves a big issue for me; but there is an elisabeth homeland tool in m4l that deals with the issue until then.
@allancerf9038
10 ай бұрын
Useless, dude. Say you have a powerful desktop like me - incredibly powerful. I literally got bored trying to slow Live down with absurd amount of tracks including BBC Symphony And Abbey Road Symphony and the most notorious plug-in hog in the universe, Positive Grid Guitar Amp sim on 14 channels. Then, I raised the bit rate for no good reason to one whose differences no user could hear. No crashes. (144 tracks all those plugins, high sample rate and still CPU was in the 20% range). Next I opened a set with just 15 tracks and one problematic plug-in. Crashed the program. And continues to. The plugin is having problems with core allocation, I'm told. While I agree 100% that Ableton needs to work on stability before all else, the amount of things that can go wrong in software are - you don't want to know. But when you combine the integration of hardware AND software, the potential for stability issues are effectively endless. Unless you have an old, or terrible computer, I'm certain this is what you're facing. Next time - buy your computer from a company that will give you a "do-over." That used to be Fry's - out of business. Otherwise your problems will not be over anytime soon.
@allancerf9038
9 ай бұрын
@@donbusu LOL. No, it doesn't. I don't know what remark I made that you refer to as it's been some weeks and I don't see it. My issues were worked on off and on by Ableton for a week after which they told me they could not reproduce them, hence they couldn't fix them.
@SpeezyOTB
10 ай бұрын
That’s one thing I’ve been wanting Fl to do for years is make their software screen reader friendly, but from what I’ve been told by their support team, FL is built in a way that screen readers can’t work with it. That alone makes me want to check Ableton out, but seems like a huge learning curve. Saying this cause I’m a completely blind producer and have been for the last eight years so the only way I can get work done efficiently is having someone remote connect to my computer and I walk them through what I need to do. This was a good breakdown.
@xenobiigaming
10 ай бұрын
I like both, and Ableton actually has a cool tutorial mode that will teach you how to use most things! try a demo
@stasprze1685
10 ай бұрын
Wow, that seems horribly inefficient. Have you ever considered trying reaper? It definitely is a learning curve, but at least you can do everything alone. if you have a Mac, use logic. Seriously, the accessibility of logic is amazing.
@Dmac_-xz6vd
10 ай бұрын
"F.l is built in a way screen readers can't work with it" huh?😂😂 Bro f.l is Literally the most user friendly daw in all daws put together and that is the reason why most people shit on it because it's easier to learn and make music within... I mean ableton with the excel looking like ui is friendly to you? I guess we differ 🤷🏾 🙃
@Lt_Lobster
10 ай бұрын
@@Dmac_-xz6vdwhat he said was that he can't use FL because they don't have any support for screen readers. He is blind and can't see the screen, doesn't matter what it looks like, the only thing that matters is the layout and support for screen reading
@svenmify
10 ай бұрын
@@Dmac_-xz6vdFL is absolutely a giant confusing mess. It has a lot of great features (in the piano roll mostly), but the UI/UX is cobbled together. It’s like they had this simple but limited initial workflow and then tried to cram as much into it as they could by any means necessary. In order to get my launchpad mini to play notes, I had to mess with midi configuration and midi scripts and whatnot, whereas in logic, I had to literally do nothing. And then there’s all the messy channel routing to worry about. Coupled with the fact that the mac version crashed 3 times in the first 20 minutes of using it, I quickly crawled back to Logic. I learned ableton a while back, got the hang of it instantly. But FL is just messy. And I fully concede that once you get the hang of it, it’s probably nice to use. Just a big initial hurdle to get over that dated UI
@jjwhittle8873
10 ай бұрын
Yes, adding grooves to time based effects/arpeggiator needs to happen.
@marsooh302
9 ай бұрын
Nice one
@angelus1417
10 ай бұрын
If they add bounce in place and freeze groups a lot of people will be quiet . Also freeze/flatten is not the same as bounce in place. I feel the reason they haven’t implemented it yet , considering it’s been requested for years is because they can’t. It must have something to do with the actual coding of the software or the engine that stops it from being a feature. I mean surely if it wasn’t that, they would have implemented it by now right? Also freeze groups, this is just another easy win for them. The truth is, the best way to hit Ableton and force them to start adding things the users want is very simple. DONT buy it! We talk with our wallets and that’s the only thing they will listen to 👍
@JoelLinus
10 ай бұрын
I think they are going to add it, Ableton has been really quiet since 10 came out, and now it looks like they are modernizing their old ass code, some features that are coming out in 12 seem to be the result of modern code.
@valdir7426
10 ай бұрын
given you can do this in 2 clicks and there's apparently even a m4l device to do it it's a non issue. (I used to use freeze but with a modern computer I've never even had the need to)
@angelus1417
10 ай бұрын
@@valdir7426 honestly , I wish people would understand that freeze/flatten and Bounce In Place are NOT the same thing!!!! Try freeze flatten on say an external instrument and see what happens lol
@allancerf9038
10 ай бұрын
Wrong. I'm not saying it's something I don't want - I do. It's about market differentiation. To cut a long, contentious story short, each DAW company wants to have things that set it apart from others. Either by inclusion OR omission. Implementing lanes (Bitwig which I also own doesn't have lanes for MIDI btw, only audio) as Live did after 20 years - required far more coding than bounce in place would. If you had a mid-level Ableton executive's ear and asked, "why no bounce in place," and they were drunk, LOL, they would give you a marketing based reason. Otherwise, Ableton is a pretty secretive company.
@angelus1417
10 ай бұрын
@@allancerf9038 ok but you have to be honest here . Ableton 12 is extremely disappointing . This feels more like Ableton 11.5 rather than a completely new version. As I said people need to speak with their wallets and I can almost guarantee a lot of people are going to hold off from upgrading. Also check the upgrade price!!!! Cubase charged half that much to upgrade . How dare they ask so much money for such a menial tiny upgrade ?! It’s shocking tbh
@nofood1
10 ай бұрын
None of this matters if they don’t fix latency. All daws are more precise then Ableton, literally ALL OF THEM
@valdir7426
10 ай бұрын
they did fix the latency issue related to external hardware in sync. If it's not that not sure what you're refering to.
@CellyMadeThis
10 ай бұрын
Remove silence has been a feature I’ve been wanting for a few years. It would be nice to set a threshold on volume and physically remove the empty spaces between loops clips, midi where there is no audio and or automation/notes. I think it would be helpful for visualizing where there is empty space in your arrangement/playlist and being able to fill those spaces with more earcandy or know how far you can move a sound from its original position on the grid. A second positive would be aesthetic since it looks aesthetically pleasing to not have giant blocks on your screen.
@chriscarson6050
10 ай бұрын
It's been in Pro Tools for decade. It's a great feature. Tbh Ableton added a bunch of semi-automated bs for producers who can't really produce. I'm good with 11 then
@iammolokoshkaa
10 ай бұрын
yeah, like in Logic Pro. Sounds great mate!
@CellyMadeThis
10 ай бұрын
I’ve gotten fast doing it by hand over the years but it’s something that could be made leagues easier.
@rorz999
9 ай бұрын
I've had 'remove silences' in Goldwave for like 20 years lol. It blows my mind how Ableton is missing some absolute basics
@Mortasa
10 ай бұрын
The crossgrade price from 11 to 12 feels like Ableton stabbing me in the back with the rustiest knife they could find in some back alley of Frankfurt 😵
@JEFFMAN90
10 ай бұрын
In Canada they're charging people 239 bucks plus tax to upgrade from 11 to 12. Plus this upgrade is more like 11.5
@Mortasa
10 ай бұрын
@@JEFFMAN90 same in Australia bro 😔
@sebbosebbo9794
10 ай бұрын
Berlin.....😂😅😂😅
@mosmusic_channel
10 ай бұрын
feels like money grab
@allancerf9038
10 ай бұрын
@@JEFFMAN90 How weird. I know we used to drive to Vancouver from Seattle years ago (when Vancouver was worth visiting - that was then - and the dollar was worth far more. It's 183 bucks to upgrade in the states. Still TOO expensive.
@GRNDLAB-p4e
8 ай бұрын
The plugin browser is also disguting now too, it was ok having them organized by developers.
@Weaverbeats
8 ай бұрын
agreed, way harder to navigate
@reactmagic2348
10 ай бұрын
Not being able to freeze groups is actually such a pain in the butt :(
@kineticwayss
10 ай бұрын
ohh my so fucking true i hate this thing about abelton lol
@carlodemichelis
10 ай бұрын
Not to talk about the fact that Live is the ONLY DAW unable to address directly more midi channels to plugins.
@valdir7426
10 ай бұрын
this thing actually sucks; specially with m4l devices; there are workarounds though, you can use another midi track and route it directly to another channel on your plugin.
@deatheternal720
10 ай бұрын
Ableton will always be my baby. Edit: OMG THE FRIGGIN .ALS FILES. THEY COVER MY DESKTOP DX
@lundsweden
10 ай бұрын
Theres a good reason I still use Ableton Live 10- there isn't enough of a reason for an expensive upgrade.
@valdir7426
10 ай бұрын
that's a very sensible approach; the only reason you'll have is when live won't able to run on your OS. I think you can jump one upgrade for the same price; maybe not 3. If you're on windows that's less of an issue than if you're on mac with their yearly OS update (which drives me mad by the way)
@lundsweden
10 ай бұрын
@@valdir7426 I didn't know that about Mac OS breaking Ableton every year... hopefully Apple can fix that issue. I can still run Win 98 programs on Win 11, although it's a bit flakey.
@valdir7426
10 ай бұрын
@@lundsweden it's not breaking ableton every year; it just means you can never update your OS on day 1 (that's for every audio software) and have to wait for an ableton update and every plugin as well; and it also means a specific version of live will be compatible with specific versions of the OS (usually spanning a few years; live 11 is compatible with 10.13 which has been released in 2017); some software devs like, well, apple with final cut or izotope will ditch older OSes support way sooner than others though. I don't update my OS every year but at some point I need to because some softwares will just refuse to work (and then I have to be careful to not update to the latest). It also means some older plugins will maybe not work anymore and I maybe will have to pay for updates.
@datapusher-
10 ай бұрын
People are spoiled now that DAWs can do so much natively. I just ask that it doesnt freaking crash! 11 has not been a great experience in terms of performance.
@nrosko
10 ай бұрын
I've been testing 12 for many months. The browser is over-whelming & took some time to get used to but i could never go back to 11 browser now. I deleted the majority of Lives default library & just use saved searches to create my own categories. You no longer really need collections. I do not think everyone will understand this at first & will just use the default. Also for a lot of the feature requests it is not a matter of just adding the most requested somethings just take time are technically difficult with a DAW
@divisionmonarchy
10 ай бұрын
It looks like a nice update, but it’s not going to pull me away from Bitwig. Too little too late for me.
@lX-NDR
10 ай бұрын
they should bounce or render in place........ somuch easier. and why i say that is because in other programs it just does that that easy. render with or without effects etc
@julian-multiman
7 ай бұрын
It’s now part of live 12, it’s called “freeze and flatten”.
@rishabmehtaphotography
Ай бұрын
@@julian-multimanFreeze and flatten isn't the same thing as Render in place...as it doesn't mute or keep the source like in most other DAWs
@apoplexiamusic
10 ай бұрын
I have both Ableton 11 and FL. When i want to work on audio or with very specific FX chains for sound design, i use Ableton. When i want significantly more control over MIDI and a faster mixing workflow i use FL with one of my templates
@prod.bronze
10 ай бұрын
M4L devices are just so unstable. makes them completely unusable. M4L being more powerful isn't helpful, it needs to be stable first. the devices are a nightmare and always have been. Idk why they pretend its not a complete mess.
@2ndattention
10 ай бұрын
Problem is that Max MSP was never a well optimized program to begin with. It's inherent to the nature of a program that is decades old doing real-time high level object oriented programming. Then you get to the issue of integrating it into Live and frankly i'm surprised it runs as well as it does.
@prod.bronze
10 ай бұрын
@@2ndattention Yeah I get all of that. But there was not an Asterix when I purchased Live, explaining that m4l is antiquated and therefore will not run properly. The reason it's unstable isn't really relevant. I'm a paying customer who has been sold m4l as part of the sale & I cannot use it.
@Username_Invalid
10 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s bad when a simple lfo tool adds 2% to cpu usage. Add 10 lfo tools there goes your cpu.
@nectariosm
10 ай бұрын
Per clip inserts. One of the things I love about Reaper, I can open a plug in on a clip (item) and then I can even consolidate the clip and thus "bake" the processing from the plug in I opened on that clip. Saves *a ton* of time for sound design
@martzooo
9 ай бұрын
oh yeah, instead of having to make automations turning on and off on the clip sections. That annoys me too
@chillcomputerguy
9 ай бұрын
Hiding disabled tracks would be sweet, also having the arpeggiator be able to access the groove pool
@Topcatyo.
10 ай бұрын
I agreed with every single suggestion you had. My biggest gripe was a lack of "strum" feature in the piano roll that wasn't some sort of hack, but from the previews I've seen it looks like they've finally fixed that and made it non-destructive, which is very cool. Now the priority is to definitely tackle latency and the plugin sandboxing. I don't understand what the difference is between "Bounce in Place" and "Freeze Track". From everything I've read it seems like you're able to accomplish the same thing and it's just a titling issue, but I'd be happy to hear what the difference is.
@RemmyMusic1
9 ай бұрын
BIP doesn’t do anything to the original track. it only makes an audio copy [freeze,flatten] of a selection, and increases workflow by alot. Example; very long track, intesive plugins and automation, only want a small section bounced into audio [reverb tail is a perfect example of this]. Freeze/flatten will do the whole track [possibly taking minutes to freeze]. BIP allows you to be selective to what youre freezing and also not doing anything to the original
@Topcatyo.
9 ай бұрын
@@RemmyMusic1 That makes a lot of sense, thank you for explaining
@Screaming-Trees
10 ай бұрын
Beyond sandboxing Bitwig also supports total key customization. Want Bitwig to behave like Pro Tools? No problem. Ableton's cool though. Most of the production tutorial content on youtube is for Ableton. I would be tempted to switch just for that reason alone but, I'm too stubborn. And I guess there is very little to no time at all to do a DAW switch.
@djwickit
10 ай бұрын
I actually switched back to Ableton 10. I thought 11 was buggy and slow, so I switched back to 10 and I've been super happy. It's not missing anything I need.
@maurycy_gnc
10 ай бұрын
I cannot stress enough how many times plugin sandboxing in bitwig saved my life
@kiillabytez
9 ай бұрын
Something Studio One has had since version 3: 1. Selecting a track with a VSTi on it, and then playing a MIDI file from the browser which will actually use the VSTi as the output source instead of the irritating General MIDI sounds we have had in Ableton since the beginning. This would expedite song creation immensely. 2. Auto-routing of stereo output plugins. 3. The ability to show thumbnails of your plugins instead of the neverending list of plugins in the browser. If I think of any more, I'll mention them later,.
@delfean2666
10 ай бұрын
So 200 for Ableton update on 300 for bitwig on sale right now?
@LesterBrunt
10 ай бұрын
My wishes: - Higher/lower LFO rates - Complete control over the tuning of every note in every octave on every instrument - No Grid option or better grids for working with strange time signatures and imperfect forms (8+1 bars)
@morecowbell2611
9 ай бұрын
All three of these are already available in Live 11.
@LesterBrunt
9 ай бұрын
@@morecowbell2611 No they are not.
@morecowbell2611
9 ай бұрын
@@LesterBrunt What do you mean exactly with higher/lower LFO rates? You can't go lower than 0 hz, and if the default M4L LFO doesn't go high enough, then you could just adjust the device yourself. Complete control over tuning, how does MPE not satisfy this? You can turn off the grid anywhere you like, so what am I missing?
@LesterBrunt
9 ай бұрын
@@morecowbell2611 LFO rates that go lower than 32 bars, and why only limited to 8-16-32, etc. why can't I just put in 77.6 bars? You can tune with microtuner but it is limited to 1 octave scale, you can't tune every individual note from lowest to highest register. There will always be a black and white grid even if you put on off. This is annoying when you are working with loads of time signature changes.
@Rhekluse
10 ай бұрын
The "Global Key/Scale" feature isn't a global setting. I believe it is automatable and adjustable between clips.
@Weaverbeats
10 ай бұрын
Yes thats true I didn't really elaborate on that.
@grant_vine
10 ай бұрын
As a bedroom producer you have a choice, but if you want a career in production you best learn many DAWs and be willing to be comfortable in any and live with it’s limitations as where you may work likely won’t choose your preferred DAW
@kaislate
10 ай бұрын
I just want to have in device lfos to show the animation of what they are affecting. Example: autofilter should have the filter curve moving if the lfo is engaged.
@flossless200
10 ай бұрын
holy fuck yes. this shits me no end. another example is Simpler, sometimes I actually just add in the standalone LFO device to compensate for this, CPU be damned.
@tracewidth
10 ай бұрын
Auto filter, you sound so nice but you're very unpleasant to use...🎶
@ActualKaktus
9 ай бұрын
For me, Live will forever be what it started out as (a creative sound design and performance tool). I don’t want it to be a “do everything” DAW. I have Cubase for that.
@valdir7426
10 ай бұрын
wait the delay compensation thing for synced midi HAS been corrected; there's now an option for it
@IanBeato
10 ай бұрын
Bounce in place saves way more time than freezing in Live's current implementation, especially when daws like Bitwig have hybrid tracks.
@joeseabreeze
8 ай бұрын
The track context menu now has a command 'freeze and flatten' which is basically the same thing as bounce in place
@rishabmehtaphotography
Ай бұрын
@@joeseabreezeNo it isn't the same thing...it commits the source
@hftl412
10 ай бұрын
Lol wait FL people were getting dunked on for our plugin delay compensation issues in 2012 and yall still ain't fixed it? Other DAWs don't crash bro. That's ALL an ableton issue. Yall talk to me about crashes and I get real confused because in 20 years of producing my DAW has never closed unexpectedly. Dude you need to just make a "rise and fall of Ableton live" and if yall can't see that you've got your blinders on BIG TIME. FL rolls out all these big features Abletons like "we finally added an industry standard multi band distortion, our piano roll is almost usable now, and if you all give us your money, we can maybe address why we crash more than any other DAW and why your plug-ins are all out of sync."
@OPdbx
10 ай бұрын
There is "collect all and save" or something like that. It puts all the files including .asd into your project folder iirc. P sure i stopped having issues with .asd files littering my computer after discovering that.
@한동준-j7s
10 ай бұрын
Ableton certainly had a lot of features that other DAW companies didn‘t think of, and felt like a pioneer in the DAW industry. However, Ableton didn’t consider the most essential and basic functions a typical DAW should have, eventually ruining Live 11. For example, ableton didn‘t care about perfect delay compensation, and they was distracted by MPE that many people didn’t use. Now Ableton feels increasingly powerless in DAW‘s Third World War. I think Ableton will win this war again in the future if he adds basic and essential features, not new ones, and gives users the ability to use them reliably
@pw6002
10 ай бұрын
Ableton has always been a DAW primarily meant to be played like an instrument, not to be used as a glorified mixer like Pro Tools. So, IMHO it makes far more sense for them to implement MPE, which is a real game changer for musicians, than some features you can find everywhere else.
@Audiostoke1
10 ай бұрын
Agree with you 100, MPE is cool and opens up a lot of creative pitch bending possibilities but i would give it up if they just fixed the latency issue. Then a better piano roll
@daveragenormal
10 ай бұрын
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@soundtorial4567
10 ай бұрын
One Thing is for sure,the people that complain about DAW 's and engage in the DAW wars are Not The ones releasing bangers.
@CarcPazu
10 ай бұрын
The only thing that prevents me from switching from Pro Tools to Live is not being able to edit midi straight on a track. I hate writing and editing my MIDI notes in the piano roll.
@stevenph423
10 ай бұрын
Since about 50% of users use Ableton for live including myself. I wish they would make a native way to change instruments in a track. Rather than going through the hideous process of having instrument racks within instrument racks, changing the chain selection, mapping the device on/off to the chain to save cpu, re-adjust the chain ranges to the knob, and all that to be repeated for every new sound you would like to add. + You know make the software have a native way to save previous versions, so that when it crashes for the 20th time you have a way to recover your project. I wasted half my hard drive saving projects again and again. Projectv1.8823, save as project V1.8824 etc .
@TheBucknessofficial
10 ай бұрын
Yeah I'd really REALLY want plugin sandboxing nothings more painful than an entire project just farting full send gastritis when it could just be a little toot. Freezing groups would be epic. Bounce in place, would be helpful but I've done the latter of copy/freeze/flatten/resample. But an original cool idea would be an in house metaplugin/oversampler post synth. Maybe DDMF team are Jedi's and it's hard to implement. I will say Ableton's SRC is quite good and ISP appearance post limiter is not terrible as well. So I'm wondering if they are able to create an in house plugin to oversample 3rd party plugs. It does make a difference when stacking a huge mix with lots of heavy top end synth stuff. But working in 96k alleviates that. Anyhow.. Also a thought, I've noticed in DAW's like Reaper and the capability to utilize the CPU and handle heavier plugins, is easier to manage with lower buffer sizes and higher plugin count, allowing me to put a significant amount of heavier plugins like, say, Acustica (just as an example) on a single channel. Following that, I will say that the Interface used does make a difference in handling high polyphony, heavy handed processing plugins, in a large project, and how well the drivers are written by said manufacturer, relieving the stress of the DAW from glitching and crashing. With that said, when I went from 10 to 11 the crashing problem became significantly worse. It's like the added features was a setback in terms of opening and even playing back existing projects, forcing me to upgrade my computer. Call it poor workflow, but if I want to work how I work, why should an updated daw be my compromise when I didn't have issues before? TLDR; plugin sandboxing is a must have for me! All these extra features, IDK i barely scratched the surface of the 11's features.. Too many ingredients for the sandwich making it unappetizing to eat.
@jamiewaters4135
6 ай бұрын
My biggest problem is the unbearable performance issues I encounter when recording audio for small live shows. Despite setting the sample rate to 1024 and using a very modern and capable gaming laptop, I frequently experience bugs where stereo tracks randomly stop recording, individual tracks render at dramatically slower rates than the rest, and freeze and crash constantly. On many occasions, I have lost multiple songs in one show due to errors with Ableton. These recordings run for up to 2 hours and consist of up to 8 channels at 24-bit 96k.
@anyoneanyone28
10 ай бұрын
I still haven’t used the free synth from the last free update so a new synth is very low on the list of things I wanted in the paid update
@TomaszTomaszPL
9 ай бұрын
In nowadays there is no need new synths. Everything will be done with a basic waveforms. The next level what everyone looking for is modulation of this simple waveforms.
@Chalisque
10 ай бұрын
I have Reaper, FL, and Ableton. Reaper is my goto unless I need features or workflow from the other two, or when I'm following a tutorial (esp when the project file is a download). There are features in one that I'd love to see in another. For Ableton: multiple project tabs, bounce in place, sandboxing plugins, lua scripting (m4l is a pain for stuff that's easy to write in script form), more flexible midi and audio (like Reaper -- tracks can contain either midi or audio or both, midi channels are properly supported), midi only plugins. There's a few.
@Chalisque
10 ай бұрын
And allowing actions, either built in or defined in scripts, to be triggered by OSC messages. (You can do so much with that, without the DAW having to do anything extra: just expose the DAW to OSC messages and let external software do the rest.)
@gelatinous6915
9 ай бұрын
On my laptop, Ableton takes over three minutes to load on startup. It also crashes if I accidentally unplug my headphones, which you do a lot on a laptop. I switched to bitwig, which starts in about fifteen seconds on the same computer. It doesn't crash if I unplug my headphones, switch interfaces, or breathe on it wrong. The backbone of Ableton's engine is stuck in 2002. Its search engine and library are stuck in 2002. Its latency issues are stuck in 2002. For $1000 bucks a copy, you'd think they'd make updates that jump out of the computer, shine your shoes, and give you a back massage.
@timschannel247
10 ай бұрын
As a Berlin guy I can tell you, almost nobody gives a sh+++ about Ableton, as you probably know the Bitwig guys have been working at Ableton and get fired about their innovative ideas lol
@TerenceKearns
10 ай бұрын
BiP would not be hard to implement. It's almost like an FU that they didn't bother.
@airfixx_8952
10 ай бұрын
There's a free BiP M4L device btw.
@theabirus
10 ай бұрын
As a sound designer I miss a huge amount of functions: The ones you listed + A stable video support. Most of the sound design is usually made for videos. So while Ableton Live is seeing itself as the most creative daw a lot of us have to create a pack of sounds, and go somewhere like Studio One or Nuendo to actually mix them for video. AAF support or at least the new universal daw files from Betwig and Presonus Ability to use multiple sample editing softwares. Cuz I use RX and melodyne, so have switch them all the time (I got tired of that, so I use them stand-alone now) A better velocity editor: make it more flexible.... Ability to pull multiple notes' velocities etc. Ability to see all the added plugins in mixer mode. So you could easily pull them from one track/group to another Polywave file support Dolby Atmos Some of those functions will kill the simplicity of Ableton interface, but those tool should b able to hide when not needed
@neqkk
10 ай бұрын
You can pull the velocity of multiple notes!
@theabirus
10 ай бұрын
@@neqkk I kind of do... But it's not as good and it's done in FL
@tracewidth
10 ай бұрын
If they start doing atmo$ stuff I am *out*.
@gutterg0d
10 ай бұрын
@@tracewidthIf they make it an optional paid addon I'm good with them adding it, then I won't have to pay extra for licensing some spacial junk I don't give a crap about. :)
@valdir7426
10 ай бұрын
"Ability to pull multiple notes' velocities" just select several notes and you can edit their velocity as a group
@alexaguilar6789
10 ай бұрын
The real problem with Ableton is the price 🤷🏻♂️ And the worst thing is no sale on Black Friday , I wanted to buy mine today 😢
@allancerf9038
10 ай бұрын
12 has been on sale at a considerable discount for owners of (in my case) 11 Suite for some time.
@alexaguilar6789
10 ай бұрын
@@allancerf9038 its been 20% off, I thought Black Friday would have a bit more. It’s too damn expensive!
@HORNGEN4
10 ай бұрын
There is so much basic DAW functionality missing from Ableton. It's unusable without supplementing with Cubase. VariAudio is so far ahead of Ableton's transient detection and warp modes with many tools to finesse transients to the grid, not to mention tuning. Ableton's MIDI arrangement capabilities are elementary. Editing multiple clips at once is tedious, and there's no way to play back from a particular measure/beat. No way to adjust fades on sequential clips on one track. The ability to split by subdivision added in 12 is a joke and should have been added a decade ago. The plugin latency issue isn't optional...screams programmer incompetence.
@한동준-v9y
9 ай бұрын
there's no way to play back from a particular measure/beat -> Isn't this possible with CTRL+Space?
@000MV
8 ай бұрын
Capture MIDI but for Automation would be GAME CHANGER, Abelton PLEASE do this
@moskva-kassiopeya
10 ай бұрын
Channel’s output level matched to the input level. This should be in EVERY DAW in fcking 2023.
@Ginlah
10 ай бұрын
My bug bear with Live is fiddling with automation lines. If a point is up, the next point either side of it should easily show the same value, maybe not snap to it but.. Its just hard to get the value you want full stop.
@martzooo
9 ай бұрын
- BPM based customizable grids - multiple sketch sequencers on tabs - Native dolby atmos and binaural formats integration - better routing options ...
@watchaddicts1213
9 ай бұрын
I tell ya what’s WROMG ABLETON 12: It’s Ableton. The Motto: Make it be cool. Does it bother us that it’s soul-less? Fuk no!” I asked H.Zimmer if he’d like to give it a twirl. He said, “I’m a musician; what the Fuk you takin’ bout??
@Ast3rixMusic
10 ай бұрын
Problem is that we are paying for it, but it lacks many modern tools.
@TonyThomas10000
5 ай бұрын
You forgot the new note editing commands: E click to chop notes and E Control/CMD to make really small chops for hat rolls, etc.
@JEFFMAN90
10 ай бұрын
They need to decrease the upgrade price because this update aint worth 239 bucks Canadian for me
@understanding77
10 ай бұрын
Tbh I think people find any reason to complain. I’m fine with my live lite lol. At the end of the day whatever daw you use still has the same end result, making music.
@dollarstorepicasso4722
10 ай бұрын
Major copium in this comment
@i_jetlag
10 ай бұрын
That's for sure. You can recreate a song in any DAW. If you have an Idea already in your head and are producing that in a DAW. DAW doesn't matter. But if you are experimenting/producing from scratch especially EDM, the track you will end up in different DAWs will be different. I am not lying. I use Cubase, Studio One & Ableton.
@akira20ish
10 ай бұрын
lol I have 10 suite and live 11 lite and FL studio signature bundle which I’m now using more and more
@Mogey_
10 ай бұрын
Well it's not any reason is it? It's documented user feedback collected over several years.
@understanding77
10 ай бұрын
@@dollarstorepicasso4722 hey man I just want to make music and I’m okay with what I have, I’m a simple man. I know it’s hard to grasp
@mikhailovsiannikov
10 ай бұрын
the thing I wait for is proper delay compensation for recording. its utterly annoying to record only with monitoring disabled or make a special track only for monitoring. I don’t understand how this is still not implemented
@sebbosebbo9794
10 ай бұрын
free max device is out to arange the clip proper in the arangement view... . but it doesnt work in clip view mode(record)..... p.s. is for Push 3 st.alone too by the way..
@johnnyhawk
10 ай бұрын
Use track delay on your MIDI tracks and on the midi clock and you can record audio from synths with ableton effects on in perfect sync. It never used to work but is working for me in live 11
@neqkk
10 ай бұрын
It’s in Live 12, now there’s a button under each track to keep or bypass latency when recording
@johnnyhawk
10 ай бұрын
nice!@@neqkk
@mikhailovsiannikov
10 ай бұрын
@@neqkk OMG
@Teddyrobinson
10 ай бұрын
I want freeze groups and ... call me crazy.. I want an FL style step sequencer. It's been consistently the one thing I miss about FL. Also I want to be able to double click a sample in the browser and not have it load in. Sometimes I just want to audition the sample and click a pattern with it before deciding on it like in FL
@pw6002
10 ай бұрын
I don’t understand. You can already pre-listen any file (sample, midifile, etc) in Live’s browser.
@Teddyrobinson
10 ай бұрын
@@pw6002 Yes but if you double click it it will load a Simpler channel with the sample in it. I want to tap my mouse a lot so I can audition my drum samples to the rhythm before I choose to use it
@unelias5688
9 ай бұрын
@@Teddyrobinsonyou can use arrow keys in the sound browser to do this, right arrow key plays the sound. there are also plenty of free m4l step sequencers available.
@Teddyrobinson
9 ай бұрын
@@unelias5688 No way! I'll try the arrow keys. And I *just* got m4l so will check that too thanks
@Teddyrobinson
9 ай бұрын
@@unelias5688 The arrow keys changed my life!! Can't believe I didn't know that
@dr.gregoryf.maassen2637
10 ай бұрын
So, basically people who love "Live" love "Bitwig" when you look at the list of improvement requests. My favorite quote: "Foaming at the mouth for Bitwig." Sounds better than "Drooling over a spreadsheet" that is sold as a DAW.
@Landstrike
10 ай бұрын
😂😂
@ariazadkazanjian9501
10 ай бұрын
WHAT ABOUT MOVING THE TRACKS FROM THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT?
@Marko-nx9eq
5 ай бұрын
Finally, someone should say publicly! I talk to my colleagues, but they tell me how it works for others.
@okanaccra
10 ай бұрын
Agreed on latency. If I'm working solo it's not as serious, but when I have gigs I gotta jump into Pro-Tools. Which is not ideal for workflow O.o
@lokelosk
10 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, the midi features made think of ditching FL for Ableton. FL can do a lot, but there are too many menus/windows/weird things along the way. Having a simple side menu with all the options would be a dream.
@Audiostoke1
10 ай бұрын
Having used both and use Ableton at the moment, FL piano editor is way better than Ableton. Scales and other features are nice but just drawing and arranging noes is much easier in FL
@lokelosk
10 ай бұрын
@@Audiostoke1 Yeah, that's why I didn't make the jump yet. But I do like the Ableton's way to step sequence using midi keyboard, I find it better than most DAWs. But it doesn't make it up for the midi editing being pretty bad. However, I hate it with a passion the way patterns and automation work in FL, and the new workflows from the last few versions didn't really changed that. I'll wait until Ableton 12 is out to check if the new features are worth it though, because FL still is king in the "bang for your buck" department.
@Audiostoke1
10 ай бұрын
Yeah, all DAWS have its pros and cons. Ableton's good for doing live stuff, mapping parameters, track warping and sound design. Seems like they might have fixed the latency issue when monitoring in 12 after I did a bit of research which is good. Yeah FL defiantly more affordable especially with free upgrades. @@lokelosk
@menegaux
10 ай бұрын
Space bar slap delay happens on several plugins in Ableton, it’s a fucking pain in the ass. Also, I wish it would just know when you plug headphones in. Like, I plugged headphones in, just switch my output to that automatically. Small gripes, but valid nonetheless. Great video as always, thanks.
@nodoze123
10 ай бұрын
That headphones idea would be nice, lol!
@douglasfugazi
10 ай бұрын
I love that grape theme color.
@gabrielfortuna9243
10 ай бұрын
Great video weaver! I’m personally struggling with the new and “improved” keyboard shortcuts for for the lower panel (clip / device view). After using Ctrl+Alt+L to show/hide the detailed view for over 10 years, it’s now been changed to Ctrl+Alt+3 and Ctrl+Alt+4 and it’s killing my flow😢 There’s a lot of subtle stuff that’s been really getting in the way. All the new features are great and awesome but I am not too stoked on the workflow overhaul. Perhaps this will be easier to adapt for new users
@carlagallarday4994
10 ай бұрын
This actually can make me finally try out Ableton, the previous key commands used to not work well alongside windows magnification tool, wich made the program almost unusable for visually impaired people
@in2020
10 ай бұрын
and you can adjust the plugin latency but you have to enable it on the bottom right
@janvandertoorn
10 ай бұрын
I like the update I think AL12 is a real workflow upgrade however on center code We’ve been asking for ARA2 implementation for years!!!! Maybe beat makers don’t need it but us producers that also record and edit recordings in AL really need ARA2 implementation!!! But on the whole I Love AL12!!
@airfixx_8952
10 ай бұрын
S'cuse my ignorance but what's ARA?
@janvandertoorn
10 ай бұрын
Nprblm, ARA stands for Audio Random Access. It's an audio plugin extension that enables greater communication with your DAW. Developed in 2018 as a joint effort between Presonus and Celemony, ARA2 is now available in major DAWs like Pro Tools, Logic Pro and Studio One
@airfixx_8952
10 ай бұрын
@@janvandertoorn - Thx boss! 👍
@janvandertoorn
10 ай бұрын
Noprblm Airfixx👊🏼
@axonathan
10 ай бұрын
Not much to show for nearly 2 years of development, and overpriced upgrade from Live 11 Suite. I cancelled my preorder. 1 week into checking out the Bitwig trial at the moment and loving it so far.
@Qubie1
10 ай бұрын
switched to bitwig 2 years ago, never looked back. I miss a couple features but it has stuff. But Live is missing stuff that Bitwig can do which I just can't live without.
@LAskeHosting
10 ай бұрын
LEt me tell you something, keep last ableton 11 version untill ableton 13 beta, then switch to lates stable ableton version 12.... IT WILL save your life from all the errors, glitchies, random freezes, that they almost always have in first 6 months after release of new ableton.
@Weaverbeats
10 ай бұрын
Normally I agree but so far I haven't seen any issues with 12
@LAskeHosting
10 ай бұрын
@@Weaverbeats i was talking from a ableton 11, 10, 9 experience, if there is no any, that's a great news! that they finally manage to release new version with no issues, thanks for letting me know :)
@valdir7426
10 ай бұрын
or wait a year or so for the next sale.
@한동준-j7s
10 ай бұрын
So I feel like Ableton Live 12 is like Live 11.5. In my experience, Live 11 has been unstable and messy since version 11.2 until now.
@justletmesigninokthx
5 ай бұрын
multiple playheads at different speeds and directions would be nice
@JJ1NE
10 ай бұрын
Take the mixer in arrangement view one step further and add in session view so we can see the clips being recorded on the timeline during our performance.
@EClipChannel
10 ай бұрын
Well it looks like Cubase was a source for the list that guy made!
@EchoSoundWorks
10 ай бұрын
Bro freeze and flatten is like the manager special version of BIP.
@danielo174
8 ай бұрын
They need a make it so foot control is a lot more intuitive as well. As a live player its still such a pain.
@mattjamesofc
9 ай бұрын
People are never happy.
@n4t333
6 ай бұрын
the plugin filter sucks, it doesn’t even work for vst2 plugins. i wish it had kept the old categorys but the filter… you know… filtered those categories instead of just dumping every plugin i have into a plugin pit
@eliahdude1411
10 ай бұрын
if they just added the features they have in bitwig to ableton, such as project tabs, it would be probably the best daw :)
@NicolasKaniak
10 ай бұрын
Having alias clips, where you have a master midi clip, and when you modify it, it affects the content of the duplicated clips coming from that one. OFC, this should not be a default feature but only activated by doing some extended command such as a Ctrl+Shift+(C/V) kind of thing?
@renechang2406
10 ай бұрын
The sounds that fit and lock is what I've been wanting without detailed and thoroughly explaining it.
@ApolloMclaren
10 ай бұрын
Stem splitting in the daw would be so convenient
@andymurph1155
9 ай бұрын
A stem bounce/render function with control/selection/location options
@keircampbell443
9 ай бұрын
I’m still raging that you can’t export tempo information with MIDI. Apparently they use a particular type of MIDI which is incapable but it drives me insane when I’m collaborating with other musicians, producers or even clients.
@jero2443
7 ай бұрын
this update made me switch to reaper. was using ableton 11 beta for a while and i saw the beta features message board. NONE like NONE the community voted for for over a few years where implemented. Also HUGE stability issues, this made me stop making music for a long time since its so frustrating. mentioned a few things to the beta team and they said they where looking into it. no change after a few updates... i think they need to rethink ableton from the ground up and make it stable again instead of adding new features.
@wasabi333
5 ай бұрын
How do you like it? What style of music do you make?
@azomyte
10 ай бұрын
Can’t freeze groups 😵💫
@VentureNW
10 ай бұрын
Agree with the 5+ year items, those are like the top 20 forever. IMO, plugin sandboxing should be top of the list, as I have two shit plugins, cough Initial Slice, that love to crash Ableton, if they are not updated. Initial does not have an updater and doesn't email you when there is an update either. Go figure. If they could increase the count of collections and since they have another way to filter now, I have a whole new way to go with collections - if they increase the count. Agree with yours as well. All in all, it looks like a great update, sounds like they are putting some further polish and adds to it, so stay tuned, as they are not dropping this thing until like Feb-Mar of next year. If you like a window that does each thing - go with FL. I used it a long time and still have it, of course. Their piano roll is great too. I actually like the more methodical spreadsheet approach of Ableton, as I have OCD. If they can add more features to that without popping out piles of windows, I am good here.
@D-One
10 ай бұрын
But shouldnt the responsibility of a plugin not crashing DAW's often be from the company that makes buggy plug you're using tho? Why support a buggy plugin company instead of finding yourself an alternative? Just curious
@valdir7426
10 ай бұрын
why is plugin sandboxing such an essential feature? If your ableton crashes all the time maybe there's something wrong going on; I had one crash since last year.
@RemmyMusic1
9 ай бұрын
imagine a restuarant kitchen shut down because a knife broke@@valdir7426
@Mr.mojoDE
10 ай бұрын
I Need negative Bouncing or negative timeline, capture to midi on the arp, of course sandboxing and more stability, dynamic EQ, maybe something like soothe… audioeditor like bitwig, Maybe an ai Mixing assistant….
@patrick5301
9 ай бұрын
FL studio users do be missing the forest for the trees. No one cares if you can randomize midi note pan in the piano roll if you have to go searching your project for where exactly you put that automation clip that gets bypassed everytime you solo something in the playlist after assigning it to a random mixer track you'll never find again without clicking on a pattern, using that instrument, then going back into the rack to then first find the instrument and then double click the mixer channel number next to the instrument just for FL to take you to said random mixer channel.
@Allan-et5ig
9 ай бұрын
They can and will do whatever the hell they want. No 'hate' intended. If it takes 20 years to get lanes, I think that's proof enough that they call their own shots. Am I delighted. Nope. Will there be enormous changes? Years ago, their founders wrote, "Ableton values quality over innovation." This is an incredibly blunt statement and I love it. Things changed.
@SisterRose
10 ай бұрын
How many years and they still don't have native bridging, something reaper has had forever?
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