Interesting how you mention the Trek Marlin. When my daughter was looking to get a new bike during C19, we went to my local bike shop (who also sells Trek) and ended up walking out with a Marlin 5. She wanted a bike that was reliable and could be taken on mild trails (so she could also mtb with her 6 year old son). She's since been on a local novice level mtb trail, which is super easy, but it's all new to her so it's scary for her (it's all relative) - even things like 'what if my wheel goes off the trail' is a new and frightening experience, where for me, I don't even think about it. She has no idea how minimalistic the bike is, but that doesn't stop her from riding it. I think Trek has positioned that model lineup (Marlin) as a 'gateway drug' kinda bike, where most people won't even mountain bike with it, but want a bike that COULD do it (and have a nice new paint job). She was a bit sticker shocked at even the $500-600 price tag, which if you're not immersed in the 'bike world' you'd probably have that perception too (as most of the general public does). That said, in the 1980's when I got my first mtb, a fully rigid Specialized Rockhopper, we didn't have ANY of the things that even the most basic mtbs like the Marlin have today - that Marlin my daugter has, would have been viewed as a top level state of the art dream machine back then, and now it's a starter bike......oh the things we take for granted!
@MM-yy9ib
6 ай бұрын
💯 been riding for years. Bought a GEN2 Marlin6 and upgraded tires, seat, grips, pedals, and forks. It's a great bike for the money. I tell people at work that the Marlin 6 would've been top of the line years ago.
@jokermtb
6 ай бұрын
Yeah, sometimes I'll stop on the trail and just marvel at how good bikes are these days, considering how crude they were when I started eons ago.... @@MM-yy9ib
@ihelpidiots5102
6 ай бұрын
Great to hear your thoughts! Hope to catch you on the trails
@MM-yy9ib
6 ай бұрын
@I_Love_My_Little_Willy upgrade the fork.
@manolos8230
6 ай бұрын
@@MM-yy9ibI have a marlin 4 gen 2
@xcrack6364
4 ай бұрын
Man, for those prices, you’re far better off buying a motorcycle.
@Will-tm5bj
2 ай бұрын
Nah
@deanrickvalsky7586
Ай бұрын
As a motorcycle rider and mountain biker that’s not as ligical as it sounds. Mostly because while similar they are also very different sports. Not all bike rider are interested in motorcycles and vice versa.
@TheRealTomSelleck
Ай бұрын
A full suspension Honda crf450R dirt bike that’s meant for motocross is 5k less than the most expensive non electric trek mountain bike.
@Will-tm5bj
Ай бұрын
@@TheRealTomSelleck that's insane
@harorider96
Ай бұрын
I saw an electric bike asking more than what I paid for a 150hp Yamaha that power wheelies in third gear at highway speeds. Make it make sense
@donsbikes1967nova
6 ай бұрын
I was a Trek dealer for 22 years and no longer carry the brand. What the average consumer does not see is how they bully dealers into only carrying their products. They insisted that 50% of everything I but has to be from them and they wanted to look at my books to make sure. I told them that I would show them my books but I wanted to see theirs. I also told them that I was not their employee. So glad I parted ways with these guys and now we sell what we want. Word on the street is that they are deep in debt with too much inventory that is not selling
@drewfeld836
6 ай бұрын
Just like the auto industry it seems that they are catering and focusing on the higher margin/expensive top of the line bikes, which makes it very difficult to afford a really nice capable basic bike for the average consumer. This might come back to bite them when the cost of entry into bicycling will prohibit attracting new riders, due to the high cost
@KevinBauman
6 ай бұрын
I worked at Trek in the mid 90s. What an interesting, though disheartening job. I experienced what you are describing, but from the other side. I have lots of stories, almost none of them positive, though almost all are entertaining. What was most difficult for me was not being able to treat our best dealers the way I wanted to. We had to give extra attention, cut deals, and make all kinds of exceptions for dealers who bought a lot, even if they were terrible customers, and owed us a ton of money. I didn't last long.
@barfo281
6 ай бұрын
@donsbikes1967nova That's what a lot of Specialized haters say about Specialized. Do all the manufacturers do this?
@FuriousFilipino
6 ай бұрын
@@barfo281 Former professional mechanic and bike industry worker myself (14+ years if I recall correctly). One of the places where I worked, a 7+ store chain, carried Specialized until Specialized demanded 50% of all bikes and accessory SKUs be devoted to them. I get minimums are required by each brand, but to demand that they are the majority of what you sell is anti-competitive. We didn’t carry them the following season and replaced them with LeMond and Gary Fisher. Trek’s strategy is buying up all the independent bike shops that are willing to sell and making them Trek stores only. I suppose it’s one way to ensure that in a given radius, depending where you live, Trek stores will outnumber any other bike brand. In my locale, there are 3 Trek stores and 3 independent shops within a 15 minute drive.
@1961Minicooper
6 ай бұрын
I own two Treks and was looking to buy another one, but the sale they currently have the "Trek Fest" is a joke. The cycling industry is hurting really bad right now and most other bike brands are giving deep discounts but Trek is being greedy. I guess they are not hurting as much as they feel like they don't have to give deep discounts.
@jeremym5331
6 ай бұрын
the reason why I went with trek is generally the reason everyone is pissed at trek: the trek dealers are all around the country. anywhere I am with my bike, i can generally be sure that there is a trek dealer nearby and i can always find parts and service for my trek. also that warranty is nice. but since i have been looking at upgrading to a full sus, i am going through the same issues as you struggling to find something worth the money id be dumping into it
@hippiebits2071
6 ай бұрын
That seems to be the number one factor that allows them to sell in such high volume ( given a normal market). Just about every post on Reddit that mentions someone considering a Roscoe also mentions how convenient buying from their local Trek dealer would be. I hate to see so many independent shops being gobbled up but their strategy definitely has merit.
@kentao4
6 ай бұрын
Real talk I think the bikes overall are too expensive. (I ride specialized just because I’m not a fan of look of treks but that’s my own issue.)Both companies know this and it’s not something that’s sustainable. Most people buy a bike and keep it a long time. Reasonable prices might let people come back and buy a second and third bike because we all know there is no one good bike for everything.
@lcall0818
6 ай бұрын
Hey, don‘t know if they are still available in the US, but the Fuel EX 7 and 8 (previous gen), aswell as the Remedy 7 and 8 are heavily discounted. They are well spec‘d and the prices go from 2500-3000 € here in the EU depending on what you want.
@yota8325
6 ай бұрын
@kentao4 I rode/raced specialized for years and while yes its not the cheapest but the quality is very good. I've been riding my sworks for over 10 years now and it's been great and I'm not planning on buying a new bike anytime soon
@jamiehamilton3253
6 ай бұрын
Dude! I've been riding for over 30yrs and just came across your channel. You are on point! So awesome seeing your progression into the sport and getting the riding bug. Massive kudos for sharing and inspiring others with your story. As you've hit on, sharing the ride is one of the best aspects of the sport! Keep pedaling my bro! 🤘
@wvjeepguy8178
6 ай бұрын
I agree completely on the Marlin. Bought my 2020 Marlin 7 at the beginning of covid when it was $799. Great bike compared to all the big box bikes I had owned as a teenager, but once I wanted to upgrade components, I learned the limitations of the frame. There is absolutely zero reason these days for a bike to have a straight head tube and a very flimsy rear axle. Yes. you can use a tapered fork with an adapter, but it just shouldn't be designed that way to begin with. Even the newer Walmart bikes have tapered head tubes.
@topspot4834
6 ай бұрын
I forget what it's called, but Seth recommended a Walmart bike for that exact reason. For a lot of beginners Trek will get the job done, but there's just so many better options, most people just don't know about them. Problem with Trek is you're paying for those brick and mortar locations. You're paying for their sales reps and your biggest expense when buying a Trek, you're paying for their marketing and advertising. When you're on a $600-$800 budget, you're not getting much bike after you trim all the fat. Worst part is, these beginners ask their friends what to get, and they don't know any better so they recommend a Marlin 7 which IMO is trash. End of the day I hope people are happy, and if it gets them off the couch and on a bike, it really doesn't matter what they're riding.
@wvjeepguy8178
6 ай бұрын
@@topspot4834 I wish I knew about Polygon bikes back then. Holy crap those guys offer such a good value compared to the rest of the industry.
@Linkgu4rd
6 ай бұрын
I'm looking to upgrade my current hardtail which unfortunately I purchased just before tapered head tubes, boost axles, 27.5 / 29" wheels and the modern geo changes. I went into a local shop a few weeks ago and they steered me towards a Trek Marlin which intially seemed like a bargin as it was discounted to just over half price. Then I noticed the straight head tube, quick release drop outs, narrow rims and upon later checking the geo that was as out of date as my current bike. The only benefit over my current bike would have been an entry level air fork compared to my entry level coil fork and a 1x drive train ( I don't consider 27.5" wheels to be a significant upgrade over 26" just another marketing ploy that the masses bought into). All of the reasons I have for wanting to upgrade were not on this new bike but none of them would significantly alter the price and they should all have been there. They're selling you something that is already obsolete so that when you realise you want something better you have to buy a complete new bike rather than just upgrade components overtime. Did I buy one? No way. I could spend less money on a better Deore 1x drivetrain and a better fork for my current bike. I can still just about find a straight steer tube Suntour Epicon which would beat the XCM that came on the Marlin. I could probably also run to a new 27.5 front wheel and get a boost thru axle version and still spend less than the discounted Marlin. I haven't done that either because I really want to try up to date geo but everytime I find something in my price range they haven't got a small. When I ask if they can order my size the answer is always "no this is all we have but you'll be fine on a medium". And they wonder why so much of the industry is in trouble. People have finally woken up to the fact that we were ripped off during covid and the following few years. Most of us don't need the latest, greatest all singing and dancing machine and most of us can no longer afford them anyway but that doesn't mean we are prepared to by obsolete frames either.
@MM-yy9ib
6 ай бұрын
@@topspot4834 been riding for years and my GEN2 Marlin 6 is better than any Walmart bike. Specs on these Marlins were considered top end years back. Upgraded tires, seat, grips, pedals, and fork. I've had the expensive bikes and still upgraded. Road, mountain, tour, we all upgraded, no matter the cost.
@newttella1043
6 ай бұрын
For a guy that only started mountain biking....biking in general... in the last four years, your analysis of Trek's troubles is spot on and so honest! I hope Trek is listening.
@TheRiotMTB
6 ай бұрын
You’re loyal to a brand that was good to you which is respectable but you also tried other brands without losing your love for Trek. I think we all like that about you
@alexh.4068
22 күн бұрын
I disagree with your take. It is the same for every bike/car etc etc brand. Marlin is not a actual mountain bike. It is a entry level bike. These are the bikes that are purchased to get around town, down pathed bike paths, people ride to school, and occasionally/maybe touch dirt a few times a year. Most people start with a bike around that level, and either get hooked and upgrade or they don't and the Marlin is just fine. All brands have entry level bikes in that price point. Gateway bikes. I don't see a issue with them.
@parkinkevin
6 ай бұрын
I bought a Top Fuel. And I see that some of the cost probably went into the frame itself. The quality is really quite good.
@jimmansi1187
6 ай бұрын
Me too , I have a 2021 Top Fuel 9.8 & love it, great all round bike
@parkinkevin
6 ай бұрын
@@jimmansi1187 I put a 140 fork on the font. I am thinking of over stroking the shock and running the link in high. That will bring the back end up to 130mm
@RodneyDangerfield-tg6tx
6 ай бұрын
Top fuels are the best bike in the world.I have 2 😘
@jeff-sq4fe
3 ай бұрын
im getting my 2ND trek Fuel next month. Incredible quality so far😅😅
@mac001texas
Ай бұрын
The old top fuel aluminums had a terrible bottom bracket creak hopefully they fixed that with the new ones
@searaydrivingguy
6 ай бұрын
I own many Treks, and love them, But after I bought my Santa Cruz Bronson c, carbon, with carbon wheels, a rattle free 26 pound bike, I never looked back. I do ride a Marlin 5 6 and 7 on road, and trail all the time, and for the money they are awesome bikes.
@ctsingletrack
6 ай бұрын
If you give the Marlin the good components and frame that mountain bikers want, it basically becomes the Roscoe, and it ends up costing what a Roscoe costs. I usually suggest to new riders that they skip the Marlin, and just buy the Roscoe, because that is a bike your skills and riding won't outgrow in 6 months. Riders of all skill levels will enjoy that bike fully, and new riders will benefit from the confidence you get with its more aggressive geometry. To any new riders reading this, you can also skip the Roscoe 6, and go right for the 7,8, or 9. The Roscoe 6 got left behind when the new generation Roscoes came out. The 6 still has skewer axles, and dated frame geometry. The Roscoe 7-9, on the other hand, have excellent modern spec and geometry, and are compatible with all modern parts, should you want to upgrade anything down thw road.
@michaelpelech5738
6 ай бұрын
Matty, I’ve been watching for some time and this vid brought me out. I volunteer to build and maintain trails, coming to mtb in the last few months, lovin’ it! Back to the subject, Trek owns ‘Trek Trails’. Currently Trek Trails is SERIOUSLY supporting the sport by ponying-up loads of money to buy land and build trails throughout North America. This ain’t cheap and should be celebrated. If more manufacturers stepped up to support the sport in this way, we could nudge those ATV guys out of our sight, hearing and breathing space with more trails for bikes. Keep asking questions, adding content and riding.
@christianleake6921
6 ай бұрын
The REAL problem with Trek... Elimination of the Remedy. Just sayin
@ivostarmans1199
6 ай бұрын
Trek at least build Alu bikes with the Roscoe, Top Fuel,Fuel ex and slash. Specialized Epic starts from 4000 euro here. Or 3500 for an stumpjumper evo 35 lbs bike with fox susp.
@edwardjski
6 ай бұрын
I'm not sure but Polygon might be the problem. Quality bikes with great components at a lower price than the typical brands.... I rode a Trek Fuel EX for nearly 10 years but took a chance with a Siskiu T8 and it has better components and is actually lighter than the current Fuel EX at the same price point and more importantly, I LOVE riding it. I want to be able to ride AND have budget for travel/experiences etc. So unless the tires are filled with bitcoins, I don't see any reason to spend more on a bike. So Trek who? BTW, I enjoy your videos, keep it up.
@ruelsmith
6 ай бұрын
I love Trek, but they definitely are pricey. I've got a 2000 model 4500 and looking to get something newer, but those Roscoe prices are up there. I think I might go with a Marlin. I'm 55, anyway, so jumping and stuff won't be me. I just wish the Marlins had a little better forks, a tapered headstock, and the I love Deore, but man, the cost of that level bike, and it's not really even a serious MTB.
@karankapoor001
6 ай бұрын
Namaste all the way from india,,yes you said right ,i feel same ,all they do is promote thier own athletes,only high end bikes ,they hardly share any average rider story or experience,right now they put 25% off on a specific models which they concider dead bikes.yes thier cost is higher compared to other brands i owe trek superfly 5 (2015) ,marlin 5 (2022),both are just ok,not so special,i wAs in love with madone but they don't bring bigger sizes so shifted to MERIDA 😂
@Acousticmarine678
6 ай бұрын
Trek bikes are overpriced period. Love my 2015 Trek domain, but won't buy from Trek again. When Canyon started selling in the USA, it should of been a wake up call for Trek, but they missed the signs.
@No_ReGretzky99
6 ай бұрын
I was looking at the Chuck Marlins but they don't even have hydraulic disc brakes I'm looking at two Diamondbacks one for $439 the other one for $500 a single drivetrain on the front and a 7 to attend speed cassette on the back that's all I need Anne hardtails❤❤❤ so that's what I think I'm going to go with or a specialized🎉🎉❤❤
@sanity114
6 ай бұрын
Trek is a symbol....other brands have just as much for far less......I almost fell victim to a purchase and then my wallet pinched me and showed me a much better path....I like trek..trek don't like poor folks like me
@hikaruichicho9054
6 ай бұрын
Trek gets a lot of flak because it's one of the biggest bike brands in the US. As someone who buys lot of bikes, as well as sold a lot of bikes in the past, I can tell you that not all brands are equal. Treks customer service is some of the best out there, and they do push the envelope when it comes to new tech coming to big name bikes. The Marlins are a great entry point into the sport. sure, other companies may sell a slightly higher specd bike for cheaper, but most people aren't pushing a Marlin like you are. Almost all brands really try to cover a broad range of cyclists, but Trek is truly class leading. you'd be hard pressed to find a customer that Trek doesn't make a bike for. Some manufacturers are truly crappy to deal with. some don't warranty their frames for life. Even if you aren't the original owner to a trek frame, if you break it, they will usually sell you a replacement at cost. Trek really just seems like a company that's trying to do things right, and I respect that. The reality is that the Marlin is the jumping off point to mountain biking. It's for figuring out if you like the sport enough to commit to buying one of the more expensive options. Also you stand to lose less money on selling a Marlin compared to any other bike out there. I don't think that trek is trying to gouge its customers, buy charging them another 500-700 to have them step up to stuff like dropper posts, 1x's, thru axles, air forks, tlr wheels and tires, etc. That's just retail. Like I said earlier, they have a bike for everyone, even if you want a custom painted 17k road bike. Or if you want to take an all inclusive cycling vacation, they can make that happen. So yeah, I get it, it's easy to hate on the big dog, but there's a reason why they've grown so big.
@aaronburt845
4 ай бұрын
The other thing people oare doing now (talking about other avinues for a good bike on a budget) 90's conversions very popular to do and quite affordable to do as well.
@LBproductions666
4 ай бұрын
Trek bikes are trash and their techs even worse! At least in my area. I paid over 800 for parts and a pro tune and ghey damaged my bike and never bothered to tell me until i brought the bike honeand gave it a look over. Axle was installed improperly and they damaged the csu on my fork and lots if other things.
@123tricking
6 ай бұрын
Once you've made the sale you stop selling....if the marlin is one of the top selling bikes they got then they don't need to advertise them, enough people know they are good...on the flip side you sell products by showing the biggest and best you've got and making people believe if they have one they can be just as great as the pros they see riding them...nothing wrong with trek or the advertising and price wise every company sell things at different rates so if you don't like the price go elsewhere
@trentwilliams2694
Ай бұрын
I really like specialized good pricing with great components 🤙 my status 160 fits me great
@vladimirvlad6441
6 ай бұрын
Trek Marlin 6 is only 700$ but it has shimano deore transmission and tektro hydraulics. I guess that is the best them can do for such amount.
@josiahmontgomery4860
6 ай бұрын
You are On-Point as usual Matty! I appreciate your relatable view on mountain biking! Keeping it real.
@DeterminedMTBiker
6 ай бұрын
You don't need to market your top selling product, the Marlin will be the top selling for two reasons, price point for the consumer, mark up for Trek and dealers want/need something to make it accessible and profitable. Now that you've been riding a little while you've become aware of what mountain bikers "want" i.e. tapered head tube. Well added stiffness in the fork, more durability etc. leads to more stability confidence and desire to hit up bigger trails, but the Marlin isn't for this. Trek is slimming its range by 40% because of bloat. From the comments below everyone has something to share on Trek, ultimately every company values itself in particular ways, being profitable though is always the biggest drive, otherwise you close the doors and turn out the lights.
@Stockfish1511
6 ай бұрын
Price nothing else. Their bikes are good, but nobody is buying the bullshit anymore. I have carbon frame slash 2022, but their bikes are only affordable at large sales. The value is just terrible. Their bikes on average is 30 percent costlier than it should be. Love trek, but they need reality check.
@timothyhollmann8571
6 ай бұрын
They did the the same with road bikes, 10 yrs ago 105 and Ultegra equip was attainable for aver riders. Now thats a $5-6000 bike, too rich for most
@wadeintonature2975
6 ай бұрын
That is not true the trek domane AL 5 gen 4 comes with a 105 group set for just over 2000 dollars.
@wallyedmonds8199
6 ай бұрын
Full sus pffffff hardtail is the bomb lol , the wife has a trek and she likes it , I ride RSD cuz of price and local to me .
@lukenovotny5638
6 ай бұрын
Yeah man specialized is rad
@kingace-by8cy
6 ай бұрын
There is only two reasons that they push those high end bikes so hard. They have the biggest profit margins and they have way too much stock.
@skg901
5 ай бұрын
Treks have always been overpriced and heavy with low end components
@jrive075
6 ай бұрын
Every bike company did the same thing, push the expensive bikes. Especially during the big V timeframe. They are too greedy to go back to the core customer. They are hungry for that easy green.
@kevinseversonandhisvizslas8287
6 ай бұрын
I’m still riding a 2014 Trek 4300. 😀
@richardj3715
6 ай бұрын
I have A 2014 Trek Madone 5.2 that I bought used for $500 with Mercury carbon rims. I have a total of $1200 in it replacing all the bearings, chain, brake pads, new seat, handlebar tape, etc. Used treks are the way to go.
@richardvankastle359
6 ай бұрын
Price to spec ratio for Trek, Santa Cruz, Specialized is very high. I went with Marin for that reason. On the other hand, some people feel good paying top dollar for stuff and telling everybody about it.😁
@rhondariley903
Ай бұрын
I have owned 6 Trek bikes. I only ride Trek. Period.
@hughstultz7849
Ай бұрын
Me too, apart from my aluminium GT Grade.
@topspot4834
6 ай бұрын
Problem with Trek is you're paying for those brick and mortar locations. You're paying for their sales reps and your biggest expense when buying a Trek, you're paying for their marketing and advertising. When you're on a $600-$800 budget, you're not getting much bike after you trim all the fat. Worst part is, these beginners ask their friends what to get, and they don't know any better so they recommend a Marlin 7 which IMO is trash. End of the day I hope people are happy, and if it gets them off the couch and on a bike, that's a good thing no matter what they're riding. It's about being happy and getting a little exercise, and you can do that on a Walmart bike, a Trek or a $15,000 Specialized e-bike.
@richarddecredico6098
2 ай бұрын
the other issue is that you are basically being a GIANT for more money as TREK frames are made by GIANT right now TREK owes GIANT tens of millions of $$$ and have not been paying their bills so GIANT has cut off a lot of shipments which will cause TREK to reduce number of bikes they will be selling in the next few years
@Endeavour6644
6 ай бұрын
I have purchased two trek bikes (roscoe 9 and fuel ex 8 gen 6) and i have to say they are absolute monsters, got them on crazy sale as well so i cant really say a bad thing about them/
@unclesnake3766
6 ай бұрын
I don't think there is any issue here, why push the bikes that sell themselves? Their time is better spent trying to get those higher end bikes to the people who have started with Marlins and want to upgrade. They've recently dipped their prices a bit and seems like things are falling back into place.
@scottf3456
6 ай бұрын
Dude you bought more bikes in the last few years then I bought in the last 30 years.
@peroMajdandzic
6 ай бұрын
Hey mate, the answer for TREK's marketing strategy/business model is (in Australian dollars): Their highest priced full sus MTB is $23K (the EXE 9.9 AXS - an EMTB with mostly in house components except the SRAM AXS parts), the lowest cost MTB - the Marlin 5 is $850................ They have to sell 27 marlin 5's for that one uber expensive EMTB........ Take into account that the EMTB is mostly TREK's in house parts (Bontrager), then the picture is clear, they are making serious coin on a manufacturing cost per unit basis on their more expensive bikes. The same goes for their road bikes - their most expensive road bike is $19K and their cheapest is $2K
@TheArimatheus
6 ай бұрын
And Lance Armstrong won SEVEN STRAIGHT TOURS on a Trek... They're a premier brand on par with Sprcialized, Cervelo, you name it.
@johncoons1666
5 ай бұрын
@TheArimatheus Pros can win on any bike. Nothing to do with trek.
@mtlbiketech7960
6 ай бұрын
Worked with Trek bikes for years and yes their budget bikes can be a little better bang for the buck but their products are always top notch. Where I worked we dealt Giant and Trek, yes Giants were better bang for the buck but man was assembling and tuning them a pain, whereas Trek bikes always came together way easier and were a pleasure to assemble. I also respect that they are still privately owned in a time where shareholders come before the clients and staff the corporate culture and values are A1 in my dealings with them and anybody I knew who worked for them said it was one of the best work experiences they had. Just to finish I'm taking Giant to Canadian Consumer protection agency due to them not wanting to honor their warranty claim on my 2013 Trance X29, frame cracked at weld on the underside where the seat and top tube meet. Now I'm back to riding Norco, got 2023 Sight A2 because of the launch of the new HP version but one day I still dream of owning a Trek, maybe a Ticket S or Session or / Slash Love your content Brother, keep on shredding !!!
@CONFUCIUS-f2x
Ай бұрын
Canyon all the way. My local bike guy will take care of it.
@davideades4839
6 ай бұрын
The real problem with you tube is everyone thinks they are an expert on evetything. Unfortunately you really dont know much about the business side of the bike industry as a consumer and new cyclist. You can speak to your own experience but you arent in a position to make an informed analysis of the bike industry. You can learn more though by watching any of the many videos from industry people on YT. The Marlin is spec'd as it is for the price point the average non entusiast buyer wants to pay. This class and price range of bicycle is always the top seller or one of the top sellers for bike companies and retailers. However Huffy's sales figures dwarf any of the major bike brands. Cheap department store bikes sell significantly more than enthusiast brand names. Its about price not component spec. The reality is the Marlins need thru axles and frankly they are not necessary for this general purpose bike. In a blind test far fewer people would be able to tell what axle system is on a bike than industry marketing and consumer experts would have you believe. You mention price and what you want to pay a lot here. You declined the more dedicated offroad models due to cost. In reality you should have stepped up sooner to the next model line with those features you believe you need because thats what you see on the internet. We rode standard QR and nutted axles at the highest levels of road and mountain biking for decades without any problems. Many of us still ride those axles today. You dont know this because you were not around when the mass production mountain bike came to market. The bike indusyry like all others is focused on sellingvyou more than you actually need at a premium price point. If they cant convince you to spend more though they will sell you what you actually do need for less.
@MattyActive
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for the comment. Just giving my opinion over the years I’ve been riding.
@davidwhocares3293
6 ай бұрын
Are the higher-end treks still made in usa? And is the comparable specialized bike made in taiwan? Maybe that's the reason for the higher cost of the Trek?
@MattyActive
6 ай бұрын
All bikes that I’ve seen from trek are made in Taiwan. Some are just “built” in the usa
@wc4201
6 ай бұрын
Couple of points, you can ride a hardtail anywhere. It all depends on the level of comfort you want. I rode a full ridged SS Bianchi SASS through the whole enchilada in Utah. It worked just fine. Sure it was harder than using a full suspension but it was still very enjoyable as I’m not a pro racer or trying to fly through the trails as the journey is where it’s at for me. So yea a quality hardtail can go anywhere and do most anything. When I got into it I had a buddy who told me the opposite… he said, buy the most bike/frame/suspension you can get for your $. As you advance you’ll grow into it and not have to keep upgrading. My first purchase in the bike world was a 2003 Santa Cruz Blur for $2k. It was orange with Fox suspension front and rear. I rode that bike for 15 years and never needed anything more as it had everything I needed to ride anyplace but a jump park. I eventually got other bikes for the fun/challenge of trying something less capable like the SASS. The only reason I eventually got another bike in 2019 was because the Santa Cruz was stolen out of my truck. I had to replace tires brakes and the center shock and had the fork rebuilt a couple times but that happens over time if you use it. I replaced that bike with a Yeti SB130 with that I got for $3500 new. It’s way more capable than I am but I shouldn’t need to buy any other bikes for 15-20 years hopefully. All that to say, IMO get the best trail bike you can afford with the best fork and center shock. It may cost you 4k but you can ride that thing for 20 years if you take care of it.
@MattPula
6 ай бұрын
Trek gets away with higher prices because they just have really good brand recognition. When I got into MTB last year my research led me to getting a Canyon Grand Canyon 7, as it had the best components I could find for the best price. My wife wanted to get a bike too, and insisted on getting a Trek (Marlin 6) even though she was paying almost the same price as I did for my Canyon and getting significantly lower-end components. And she knew she was paying more and getting less, but for her it was a matter of always knowing of/seeing Trek as a high-end brand, and always wanting a Trek if she were to get a nice bike some day. I feel Specialized is similar to Trek in this way, but I think their bikes are quite a bit better than Trek's. Also you're right - I have always seen Trek as the brand that caters to suburbanites, weekend warriors, and familes - not a brand that makes high-performance machines like Yeti or Santa Cruz or something.
@topspot4834
6 ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of Specialized, but their bikes are better than Trek. A lot better... And on the high end, Yeti is easily the most overrated. Santa Cruz, Pivot and even Ibis and Transition are better bikes IMO. Smart choice with the Canyon BTW! My wife also got a Trek, she just liked knowing she can go into a brick and mortar shop and see it before buying it. I honestly don't care what she or anyone rides though. So long as they're outside having fun, that's really all that matters at the end of the day!
@MattPula
6 ай бұрын
@@topspot4834Word, I thought of Yeti because it's another brand that really focuses on racing and its sponsored racers with its marketing. Ibis, Orbea, Transition and Fezzari are the bikes I frequently oggle at haha. And ya, honestly the Marlin for my wife has been great and it's been the only bike she's owned as an adult that she actually wants to get out and ride - so no complaints from me! And ya dude, the Canyon was amazing for my first year of riding, and funny enough I ended up buying a FS Yeti late last year lol! Except the catch is it's a 10 year old Yeti SB95 that I got from a friend for a great deal at $500 - it was in really good shape but needed an overhaul in terms of new parts. I've replaced just about everything on it except the fox 34 factory fork it came with - so far it's been an amazing bike and even after all the parts upgrades it's been kind to my wallet. Plan is to ride this bike into the ground for the next year or two before dropping the cash on a new expensive bike.
@MattPula
6 ай бұрын
@@topspot4834word, I was mainly mentioning Yeti because I know they're another brand that really focuses on racing, and their marketing reflects that. When I'm oggling bikes I'm usually looking at Ibis, Orbea, Fezzari, and Transition haha. But ya, honestly the Trek has been really good for my wife, and it has been ridden the most miles out of any bike she's owned as an adult - so I really can't complain. And ya dude, the Canyon is great! It is exactly what I wanted from my first bike, and I don't think I could have made a better choice. I'm still riding it regularly, but funnily enough I upgraded to a FS Yeti to be my primary trail bike going forward - the catch is it's a 10 year old model SB95 that I only bought because I got it for a steal of a deal at $500. It was in excellent shape but needed a parts overhaul, which I was happy to give it. I wouldn't drop $6k on a new Yeti, but I gotta admit this bike friggin' shreds and is a ton of fun to ride. Bonus points for my wallet being happy too, because I've spent significantly less than I would have buying any new bike on the market.
@andrewmcalister3462
6 ай бұрын
I have a Canyon, but the lack of retail shop front means you’ve gotta know what you are doing. Don’t get me wrong, I love my Canyon, and the value was sensational, but I wouldn’t recommend it as someone’s first bike.
@austindillard8936
6 ай бұрын
Trek has been pricey, but my local dealer has been nothing but amazing
@f3lixc
4 ай бұрын
W vid just like every single one of
@mattj6676
6 ай бұрын
It seems like bike manufacturers are in an arms race to have the highest spec yada-yada bikes out there, you see review videos where the reviewer talks all about geometry that everybody cares so much about but the average rider doesn't need, specs on this and that and on and on. You're 100% right in saying that the average consumer who wants a "good" bike isn't going to spend $2k to get one. There are other makes like Giant, where I landed with my Fathom when you bought your Marlin, which are known as not so much of a high end bike (they make high end stuff though). They sell more bikes than anyone on Earth, so they lack the high-end image of companies like Trek. But the bikes are every bit as good or better in the ways that matter, and they're a lot cheaper. I agree with you there's nothing wrong with mass-appeal in your products.
@Chihirolee3
6 ай бұрын
I have a Trek 3700 in 2007, brand new. I picked it out solely due to color and it was within my budget as I was 16. It's been a beast of bike and has put on over 50k miles since. I've gotten into hard-core cycle touring and was looking to upgrade my bike to something more fitting for my needs. Learned the issues with the bike industry, and decided to spend around a grand to upgrade components on the bike that I have. I'd rather spend that grand to upgrade what I know than spend 2-4k on a new bike that still needs further money to upgrade components.
@obekini483
6 ай бұрын
I came across your channel recently, the one where you first tried the Marlin 6. You give a refreshing take from other channels, who deal almost exclusively with thousands of dollars' worth bikes. I recently got a Marlin 7, even though it's categorised as budget bike, here in India it's not quite affordable for most people. Seeing you go through the trails with your Marlin 6, goes to show how capable these "budget bikes" are and is more than enough, for most people. Anyway, keep up the great work.
@MattyActive
6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@richardhurley332
2 ай бұрын
My first mountain bike was a Specialized because that's what the local store had available at the beginning of the pandemic. I've since bought GT & Norco bikes for my boys and have been very happy with them. However, as a veteran Specialized offers me 40% discount on gear and 20% discount on bikes, so as I upgrade going forward, they'll probably be my first choice. I believe they also offer discounts to first responders and healthcare workers. It's definitely worth looking into.
@20mmRainFPV
10 сағат бұрын
Look, ya'll, I live in Wisconsin not far from Trek HQ. Because of this, i kind of gravitate towards my home town brand. But when i got into biking and then eventually got into full sus, i couldnt justify their cost. I ended buy a Marin Riftzone Carbon 2 for $4500 and got way better spec'd components then if i bought the comparably priced Trek. Even though Marin sells mainly online, i got great service, and I had a great experience overall. The problem trek has is, they no longer have any value add. You used to pay the big price tage for the service, but with brands like canyon and Marin, giving you the same service, with better specs, wheres the value add?
@dmcalister4505
6 ай бұрын
I'm getting a full-spench this spring , thinking status or siskiu🤷🏼♂️
@petermcinnes6987
6 ай бұрын
Good bikes, in general, Specialized build decent bikes.
@Flyhightreklow
6 ай бұрын
Get a Trek
@meliodashadeyoshi2115
6 ай бұрын
I went from a khs to a Roscoe 8 to a Santa Cruz carbon chameleon and finally a Santa Cruz hightower v3 2024!! And definitely stuck with Santa Cruz ounce I swapped brands
@SuperKotaa
6 ай бұрын
You just rely on click bait....very misleading title yet again!
@MattyActive
6 ай бұрын
I respect your opinion.
@ryanmfitz
6 ай бұрын
i grabbed a status 160 frame only kit for the same reason. can't beat the deal for a full sus frame. trek makes good bikes but they better start being competitive again in pricing
@wvjeepguy8178
6 ай бұрын
Yep..those Status frameset deals going on right now are hard to beat. I don't know of any other full suspension frameset that costs less right now unless you count the Chinese carbon frames on ebay.
@fortunecookie_3973
6 ай бұрын
I agree with 100% bro… I love my Trek Marlin 6 but I really want a Trek Fuel EX 5. Dropping $2,500 in today’s economy is like giving up a kidney lol. The crazy thing is I’m still going to get a Trek Fuel EX 5 soon because I became a Trek guy.
@DaroZuo
5 ай бұрын
I got a Fuel Ex 8 October last year. Rode it a few times by now and I'm really enjoying it. Even managed one crash already, due to my stupidity, but not a scratch on it.
@jaimejimenez754
6 ай бұрын
You are on point brother! Trek banks on its name but there are many brands like giant, polygon etc that offers more for the price. And I also started with a marlin!
@DiscoD777
4 ай бұрын
The price is what kept me away from Treks and the local dealer was not pleasant to deal with
@camtabor4344
6 ай бұрын
The Trek Marlin is the easiest to find Mountain bike for new riders. Of Bikes on OfferUp and Facebook marketplace place it’s by far the most common non-box store bike. I started with a Walmart Ozark Trail bike that I slowly threw on upgrades for a better price than the Marlin 9 and I got to learn how to work on bikes! Those are the the only two reasons I didn’t get a Marlin when I started out. I just recently went full boar and got a Revel Rascal 😅
@synergytech7323
6 ай бұрын
The majority of my bakes are from TREK not because of the components as that is replaceable and can get on any bike. I get Trek bikes for the styling and paint work and colors. I'm 48 and bike looks aesthetically right. I have a Marlin 7 due to the paint color but looking to get an x-caliber 8 for upgraded frame for and color. Actually I tried to selling my Marlin 7 twice but changed mind because the paint work looks so nice.
@roberthotter7008
6 ай бұрын
So true. You should see my green 4500 bikes, and the cheap, dark grey 3700 I picked up used for the painting only❤ Also I ride the classical superfly 9.8 , upgraded with a boost fork They have a lot of benefits inside, but some of their bikes are overrated. Its up to the consumer finally to decide....
@ermac6466
6 ай бұрын
But you do have to buy the most expensive thing in the store though right?
@Dany4k
6 ай бұрын
This is why my bike shoprecomended me a Kona Lava Dome over the Marlin, the Kona has a tappered head tube, better for future upgrades.
@raphaelgerardramento4644
6 ай бұрын
Same sentiment. Bought last year a Kona Mahuna over Trek Marlin...
@manolos8230
6 ай бұрын
Never heard of that
@ignaciosevil2157
6 ай бұрын
I beg to differ my friend. cant even look at non 9.8-9.9 full sus. Im deep within the marketing apparently. Imo Most people go almost directly to the highest end after the first bike, for a variety of resons but mainly aming for best performance. I think you can get better lifespan and warranty on the components for sure. The only way to go these days is or to manage to get a big discount or be rich.
@MattyActive
6 ай бұрын
I can definitely understand where you’re coming from but in my opinion, I don’t think most people can even push these bikes to the full capabilities of the bikes and a lot of mechanical issues I’ve seen on more intermediate bikes are freak accidents, or people who just ride rough and bash their bikes on stuff. No finesse to way they ride
@ignaciosevil2157
6 ай бұрын
@@MattyActive Yeah, maybe im biased since my experience on basic bikes was 10 years ago, maybe then they really fell apart in so many ways. nowdays. XT drivetrain is like 300-400 and its Literally bulletproof if setup mildly well. its nice to se you go through the real OG process of mountain biking. Going from shit bikes to more equipped bikes is part of the whole process. Going straight to the 12,000 bike while sucking at riding feels off to me. Even if you have millions, It doesnt feel right.
@kemalgursoy1944
6 ай бұрын
You should buy a slash
@HD-xr4cd
6 ай бұрын
I completely agree that there needs to be more focus on the regular person in bike marketing. Having ridden road, all mountain, and XC bikes for over 15 years from numerous brands, I must say that trek has one of the best price points in the market at all levels IMO. You cannot simply look at the component spec when determining the bike’s quality in comparison to price. The wheels, seat post, seat, hubs etc are all very important to the ride quality and toughness, but those are typically the areas where producers will cut corners (using cheap 3rd party parts) given that most people never pay attention to these areas. Trek uses bontregar (which is EXCELLENT) compared to what most other brands use for the same parts, and will also typically have better wheelsets stock on their bikes when compared to the equivalent models from other brands. Additionally, the manufacturing process is very expensive and complicated, but allows for better designs, stronger welds etc. This may not be obvious to a consumer, but the process influences overall quality and toughness a tremendous amount, but is also VERY expensive. For example, Trek’s entire Top Fuel lineup has integrated frame storage in both carbon and Aluminum. I may be wrong, but as of a year ago, no other producers had managed to build an aluminum full suspension frame with integrated storage because of the complicated manufacturing process required to mild aluminum tubes in the shapes required at a reasonable weight. To summarize, I think you get what you pay for, and there is a lot of quality hidden in trek bikes beyond the drivetrain and brakes. Love your videos FYI-keep em coming!
@rustychain9518
6 ай бұрын
This is really interesting, as a Trek Fuel EX owner with a wife that rides a Polygon Siskiu D7 I understand all the arguments on both sides...however...I use the Trek site quite often and ever since this information was "leaked" the site has been slow. I decided to look at bike availability, and while my comments are anecdotal, there's plenty of bikes that are not available. Is it possible this "leak" has created a buzz? 🤔
@Sixbillion1
6 ай бұрын
isnt the problem that they have like 5 years worth inventory?
@MattyActive
6 ай бұрын
That too
@Donttreadonme2024
6 ай бұрын
All bikes are 40 to 50% too damn high
@MattyActive
6 ай бұрын
Haha very true
@bikedoctor8854
6 ай бұрын
The title of your video could be used with pretty much any of the brands. None of the brands really market to the general public cyclist. They leave that up to your local bike shop. It sounds like you have a great relationship with your shop, which is what really makes the biggest difference. Whether its drop bar bikes or flat bar, manufacturers only seem to market to the race crowd or the big hit trail crowd. It's odd too. Imagine if Chevy only marketed the Corvette. You don't see marketing to the low impact cyclist until you get into the ebikes. The only brand that really does much for the neighborhood bike market would be Momentum, which is part of Giant. And the reality of bikes like the Marlin series, is that there's really not much difference between that bike and other pricepoint hardtails from Specialized and Giant. In fact, I believe Giant makes most of the Marlin (and other) frames for Trek. The reality of the industry is that there's really only two drivetrain component manufacturers, Shimano and SRAM (Microshift to a lesser extent) and a few fork/shock manufacturers. On bikes under $1,500, it's kind of a cookie cutter market. You'll find very similarly spec'd bikes and very similar price points. Giant tends to be a little more affordable than Specialized and Trek because of their frame production and component buying volume. Great video though! All good information directed to exactly the right audience.
@iLhize
2 күн бұрын
I wish i would have seen this video or looked around more before buying my Marlin 4 last week with the hope of upgrading parts down the line as components break or wear out I like the bike a lot but hate the drivetrain and wish I could upgrade to a 1x without having to buy new wheels as well
@matthewbrocke4298
6 ай бұрын
I find Trek's bikes, FS and hardtail have worse components for the same money or more compared to other brands. I just bought a Kona Process 134 for $1999+ tax (Canadian). It has Rockshox front shock and rear, with Shimano Deore drivetrain. I find other companies are giving consumers more value for their money compared to Trek
@Jay-WilliamWatson
6 ай бұрын
I don't know if they will bounce back. I hear they are doing a 10% cuts( redirect) across the whole departments and a 40% cut on all of their current skews. This indicates major changes. What do this means for the consumer?
@Intergalactic_media
Ай бұрын
Your stats are correct. Trek really overextended themselves and got into financial trouble.
@automachina
6 ай бұрын
They make the Marlin without the upgrade size features that way you have to sell it and buy upgrade once you get hooked. So if they can sell you the marlin they can pretty much sell you 2 bikes eventually. Once the average consumer wants to swap a fork or upgrade something. Best thing people can do before buying a bike is dont trust a shop employee and do your own research with whatever friend is getting you into the sport. Cannondale, Marin, Specialized. Look around. Marin has a cheap high performance hardtail(SanQuentin) Trek is like the snobby bike brand. the kid you want to beat up in school. Swap brands man.
@jacksondaniels8169
6 ай бұрын
Been mtn biking since 89. You basically fell into what many beginners fall into. Having to buy multiple bikes only to buy the one you should’ve bought all along. Never owned a Trek and never will. Specialized is the same way. Stopped buying their products in 2000.
@vegasvampire66648
4 ай бұрын
For $1000, at the minimum, you should get a tapered head tube and through axles. QR and straight head tubes are not upgradeable. Its really this simple.
@ov3rcl0cked
6 ай бұрын
I think it's marketing. The serious riders, the one who are reading MTB magazines, watching MTB videos, all that, are more likely to by more serious riders, or at least they are a more prone audience to market these bigger or just more expensive bikes to. That's not always true, and some people love hard tails. So I definitely think you're right, but I think the more average consumer is outside their typical marketing bubble. It's too bad there isn't more marketing towards average users and families, as that might attract more people to cycling. Really MTB racing at the high level is all marketing anyway. They can say, the fastest guys ride out bikes. That's probably another reason, they basically leverage racers and influencers to some extent. I know the Reeb guys and they definitely keep good riders around just to get footage. Lots of dudes ride for them even if they're not racing. They just help with influence and marketing.
@Ferrari255GTO
6 ай бұрын
I think the problem is sticking with a single brand, people shouldn't be loyal to a name, i have been lucky to ride Lapierres, mondrakers, specializeds, konas, canyons, GTs, ect from many other riders, and you shouldn't look for a brand, you should look for a frame, if you have the chance like i did, learn as much as you can from every bike you try and that way you can develop your taste for geometry, tyre size, frame size, ect, because listening to the "you do this you need this bike" is stupid; I do plenty of lightweight stuff, but i still have the most fun on my downhill bike, and while i do notice the disadvantages i enjoy the advantages more than the disadvantages weight it down. Old, modern, used or new is all the same as long as the bike is in good nick. Find what you actually want, chase after it and enjoy it, simple as that. Remember that it's not about being the fastest, it's about fun.
@mtbextreme01
6 ай бұрын
The sad thing is that Trek is everywhere, pushing out other smaller brands I would much rather have around where I live. I also have a Trek Marlin (8) and looking to get a full sus but Trek (along with a few other brands) are soooo overpriced for there spec. Crazy comparing brands with same spec but very large price ranges.
@fretlessed25
6 ай бұрын
I hate to say it but just like some families always buy Chevrolet or Ford for decades, I mainly look at Trek for mountain bikes because my first mountain bike in 1996 was a Trek. For road bikes I almost always get Specialized for the same reason. Pretty dumb I know.
@whichwayiszigzag
6 ай бұрын
How many people got into bikes because of the Marlin? That bike is pretty close to a GOAT, going all the way back to the Gary Fisher days. Also, dude you look smooth on that pump track!
@TxRedneck
6 ай бұрын
To put what you said in my terms, They're more than happy to sell a bike to someone to get em hooked and where the user will become a shortish term revenue stream due to the older standards(what an oxymoron). Then the less newb will see dang, I could have spent X more to have a better upgrade path and maybe that was explained in some way, but they don't make clear WHY newer standards(that word again) matter to someone who's at least semi-committed. I know this sounds like a victim POV, but it's not, it's more to do with changing what "standards" actually means, and IMO, that's the bigger issue. Solid vid Bubba and have enjoyed your journey!
@alexh.4068
22 күн бұрын
I would also add that for entry level bikes the brand really doesn't matter 1 bit. Geometry is well dialed/standardized. The only reason to prefer one brand over the over is in their higher level products in regards to geometry and suspension design in full sus bikes. And as someone mentioned the ubiquitous nature of Trek dealers is a bonus.
@joeboxer6950
6 ай бұрын
I believe that even though the Marlin is the highest selling mountain bike that trek sales, I believe that the higher price bikes are the ones that make the most money even though their sales aren’t high. The $4000 price tag or better makes them more money than the $1000 bike. You have to sell four $1000 bikes to equal one $4000 bike. if you catch my drift.
@johnspooner4128
7 күн бұрын
A few years ago at a Honda MC dealer I overheard a lady say to her husband while looking at a goldwing that had a $25000 price tag, (you could buy a car for that much!) I don't think she got the point, not the bike either!
@robertcoetzee191
6 ай бұрын
Amen brother. I'm a Merida fanboy myself and value for money is great with Merida.
@GeraldGuevara
6 ай бұрын
I hear you. I'm in to road biking and I don't think trek is the only manufacturer that are raising the prices. It's the industry as a whole. They are trying to push the cost per transaction higher and higher. For example in the road bike industry they are trying to normalize 12 speed groupsets. However most of them are electronic. They also put those groupsets even the entry level ones into carbon frames. So a starting entry bike with a 12 speed groupset goes for $5k cdn. On the high end it's $18k. That's just insane. I wish they'd go back to mech 11 speed groupset on an alloy bike that starts under $2k again. 1 more gear isn't going to make a big difference on you're riding.
@MauriSky2437
6 ай бұрын
Too much focusing on brand names distracts people from focusing on things that matter. I have no brand loyalty whatsoever: I currently own a Canyon, Cannondale, Specialized, and a Ventum. Thus, I have a gravel bike, plus three road bikes.
@paulemillevasseur7622
6 ай бұрын
The hardcore cyclist communities all dunk on entry level bike shop bikes. There is definitely this cork sniffer attitude among serious riders while the truth is that most people just buy a supercycle from the local crappy tire. You know, department store slop. I have noted that riding a Marlin Gen 2, I'm riding something that is better than almost everyone is using except when you go to a MTB park and everyone brings their top end equipment. Spending thousands of dollars on a 'hobby' is niche so far as all average people are concerned. Trek bikes are certainly not priced aggressively and when it comes to large companies, Giant is consistently better value for dollars. I went with the Marlin because it was really the only option at my price point that was available. Full disclosure, the shop did somewhat of a custom job for me with better wheels, tubeless set up, better drive train, and an air fork. I had a dropper post put in too!! It's super fun and the geometry is great for 90% of riding around here!!
@claybowler751
6 ай бұрын
I would never consider a Trek or Trek product. They made billions thanks to EPO all the while trying to destroy Greg LeMond for his desire to clean up cycling.
@irnifilms
6 ай бұрын
In simple terms, Trek rips off the beginner with an outdated geometry and cheap parts that don’t withstand much abuse. My buddy bought a marlin 6 and it snapped the seat stay clean off the seat tube. Apparently they’re known for it. Honestly if you want a serious hardtail invest in a RSD.
@MattyActive
6 ай бұрын
I’ve had an eye on RSD for sure! Those hardtails look like the real deal!
@MattyActive
6 ай бұрын
I’ve had an eye on RSD for sure! Those hardtails look like the real deal!
@irnifilms
6 ай бұрын
@@MattyActive they are tanks! Also super capable, although they are heavy. I ride full sus and my buddy with RSD is just as fast as I am. Plus size tires go a long way on those too.
@christopherguzzi1316
2 ай бұрын
Why would Trek advertise and promote a less expensive bike in their range like the Marlin 6 when it is already one of their best selling bikes. They likely have a number of marketing ploys, hoewever, they certainly are utilizing something called decoy pricing. They market a very expensive item next to much less expensive options which makes buying a less expensive option seem like a no brainer.
@Medyo
6 ай бұрын
I have been riding Trek bikes for years. Had two roadies and one hard tail MTB. Among my other rides, I like Trek for alot of reasons. But I must agree they are kind of pricey.
@the_Novelist
6 ай бұрын
That's how they get TWO bikes out of the uneducated consumer. Sell the first one to 'em, and then up-sell 'em on a new bike with the features you're talking about. That way they can't just go throw new parts at their existing frames.
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