I have been machining for over 40yrs. I bought a Tormach 1100 about a year and a half ago just to do some little things at my home. Most of the time I can hold a .001 tolerance without a problem. I have used it to machine some of the more difficult materials to machine such as 304ss and titanium and it did a beautiful job on them. I will add that it takes a little longer than my machines at my shop but used right it has enough power to do just about anything you may want to do. Kudos to you Ty for bringing this little gem to peoples attention. I woudn't trade it for anything. in fact I am thinking about getting their CNC lathe next. has anyone got one of them and do they work as well as the CNC mills
@MantismanTM
5 жыл бұрын
Tormach is the starting point. (When you smash>learn>earn) Haas is the mid point. (When you earn>learn>smash) DMG etc is the end point. (When you earn>learn) You need to start somewhere though and it's the most important early decision lest it make or break you.
@iamthepeterman54
5 жыл бұрын
You are right man. There are places for all these machines. Can’t hit an ROI in a garage with a MORI 99% of the time...
@neilhuband995
5 жыл бұрын
Definitely don't smash the Mori's lol Guy in the place I used to work at crashed the turret into the subspindle, full rapid, and caused £30K of damage lol
@HandsonCNC
5 жыл бұрын
There is no wrong machine to make chips or run G-Code when you are starting out... Whether its a Tormach, converted Grizzly 0704, or your cutting wood with an X-Carve.. Anything that lowers the barrier to entry into Digital Fabrication is a good thing.. :-)
@horseshoe_nc
5 жыл бұрын
Perfect example, John Saunders of NYC CNC got started with Tormach, and still uses them. I see nothing wrong with Tormach. They are perfect for a startup or to learn on. They will fit in a garage with ease. If I'm not mistaken, they don't require 3 phase service either. Sure they are limited on feed and HP. But, programming can be done within the limits of the machine. Titan, get after it. Show us all what a Tormach can do. Jerry P.
@nieljones655
5 жыл бұрын
Most of the complaints I have researched on the tormach are tolerance and rigidity.reality is, your probably not going to hire into a place that has a 12,000 lb brand new DMG bolted to 3 feet of concrete. most job shops are surviving on worn out older technology. setting loosely on 4 to 6 inches of concrete. learning to deal with high backlash and a non-rigid platform will teach you a lot of problem-solving and you can still turn out high quality work. your also not going to get much else that will run on single phase power. I think the tormach is a great starting point and I am impressed with the layout of the Academy. No one else is doing this Titan, I appreciate the effort you are putting out there. Going over your program and think you have a fantastic approach to teaching.
@neilhuband995
5 жыл бұрын
Depends what the customer is mate. Job shops doing aerospace and oil stuff are using new Mori's bolted to 3 ft of concrete. Whole workshops with 50 machines like that. These places are clean like hospitals lol Then you get your old school shops with manual machines and 1 or 2 CNC, the dirty old places like you mean.
@automan1223
5 жыл бұрын
You don't need a Ferrari to deliver pizzas. You don't throw your teen ager (with the new learners permit) the keys to the best family sedan... Your job as a parent or teacher is to PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY. Tormach is stepping up and making that OPPORTUNITY possible with affordable equipment. Fusion is making that OPPORTUNITY with exceptional software. Titan is making OPPORTUNITY possible with the ACADEMY ! A real machinist will have no problem working with the tools they have to work with. "Keyboard" machinists will whine and complain just about everything.
@lesstrickland6891
5 жыл бұрын
Titan, you are the reason I bought my first CNC machines almost 2 years ago. I was trying to get my business partners to invest in CNC machining instead of outsourcing everything. After watching your Titan TV and seeing your positive can-do attitude I made the jump. Took out a loan and bought a Tormach 1100 and Slant Pro. I didn't even know how to turn a machine on and had zero clue about things like G54 and offsets and such. Between you and John Saunders videos, I slowly started learning and absorbing. Yes, I milled a few vice jaws. Put some slots in my table, etc. Learned all about tool pullout. Now I'm pretty comfortable with the stuff and last Sept I threw down on a freshly rebuilt Fadal 4020. I'm about to jump into learning with that bad boy. I'm also jumping into quoting production runs for a friend of mine who works with a tool manufacturer. I owe this to you Titan, for giving me the courage to just do it. Thank you sir! BOOM!
@GrimstodDesh
5 жыл бұрын
Only negative comments here come from people that have watched the Tormach Refund video. Which is totally off on many details. For some reason that video is like cancer. The guy is off any many fact and seams to know very little about money. His hate of Tormach seams rather misplaced. I think your new Tormach is great. I will be watching more of your videos.
@twofortytwo
5 жыл бұрын
We had to send a brand new Mori Seiki back to Davis, CA to get fixed, not a cheap job for them, other manufactures have problems as well.
@extradimension7356
5 жыл бұрын
@TITANS of CNC: Academy / @Titan Your first Tormach based Vlog (#58) was 100% clear in it's purpose and intent ; don't need 'splainin' ;-) I suspect if "Peeps" were "Dogging" you / Tormach they didn't watch the whole video ! Or don't want to "Get it". We got yah the first time lol... I thought your appraisal and purpose of the Tormach was 100% spot on and honest. Very shrewd and constructive move IMO. [Gina seems awesome / good luck in Vegas !.].
@sn8keyes00
5 жыл бұрын
Great videos very positive. You're doing a good thing Titan. Let's get more kids involved in manufacturing. BOOM..
@thetruthyouneedtohear
5 жыл бұрын
I like that he purchased a tormach. What everyone is missing, if they don't get it, is that when you watch most of the Titan videos, they are running machines that are crazy money. HASS, DMG's, those are into the 100's of thousands of dollars, this will give people the ability to see machining on a more entry level machine.
@chaddanylak8706
5 жыл бұрын
tormach and haas are a bit like cars, tourmach like you 1st car which get you from A to B and Haas is like a dream car where you can speed down the highway/motorway
@unpopular_mechanics
5 жыл бұрын
I don't usually get into these online discussions but I do see a lot of talk bashing smaller and less expensive machines. I don't think that a lot of people realize that there are many different business models out there. Not everyone runs a job shop and not everyone wants to run one. Just as an example, I only need to make one off or very limited runs of parts, I provide custom solutions for people and machining is sometimes a part of the equation. The rates I charge are typically more than a job shop with many employees/machines/overhead would charge. I don't have any of that overhead and I can close up shop and travel or do whatever. The clients I deal with don't know what a job shop is, don't even necessarily know or care about machining, they just want that one thing (or ten or whatever) and they want it to work. They don't care if it was made on a hermle or a harbor freight mini mill. There are many other people with these types of situations and with space/weight/cost restrictions. They provide value in all different ways, not just by shaving seconds off of cycle times. I find that a lot of people in the machining industry are out of touch with the niche opportunities that exist and are quick to bash some machine or tool that doesn't fit in with their very specific vision of manufacturing. Every tool has some situation in which it is appropriate, the problem is not the tool. Titan is clearly someone who sees potential and is positive and proactive. I think that buying a tormach totally makes sense in regard to what he is doing.
@christopherjordan9946
5 жыл бұрын
Getting a CNC Tormach with Cad and Cam capabilities at affordable prices is exciting. It makes me a believer that we too can start a little business/hobby etc... To your point I hope it sparks the fire in kids. The art in set-ups feeds and speeds tooling etc... is obtainable and with it we can build about anything. #iwantatormach Great Videos.
@chaddanylak8706
5 жыл бұрын
Tormach and haas are a bit like cars, Tormach like you 1st car which get you from A to B and get the job done and Haas is like a dream car where you can speed down the highway/motorway
@Jmartin2683
5 жыл бұрын
Call me crazy, but I really don't have any problem at all getting awesome parts off of my 1100M without much effort. Maybe not sufficient for all the KZitem aerospace engineers and machinists around here that spit on anything under 5 tons, but it's plenty good for any garage use case.... pretty much exactly what it's made for.
@thechipwelder1253
5 жыл бұрын
100% on spot with the youtube aerospace engineers :D
@Qui_Gon_Ben
5 жыл бұрын
Your level of professionalism is absolutely stellar. Always thinking positive.
@BrandonGlenn8867
5 жыл бұрын
Titan, I machine a lot of 304SS on my Tormach 770M, I have tried a range of speeds and feeds, tool stick outs, diameters, workpiece configurations etc. And I just can't get rid of chatter when climb milling in the X direction. I have adjusted the X and Y gibs per the manual. As I am typing this, the machine is running. The only arrangement that I can get to not chatter is 3/8 dia end mill, .125 DOC, 5% WOC, 300SFM. It seems like a ridiculously low removal rate to make it work. Am I crazy? Is there something I should try?
@brightest07
5 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@peterh8169
5 жыл бұрын
thanks you video's very helpful. I have a 1100 and would love to see some real jobs in steel on the tormach, almost all tormach video's are machining aluminium. when I run steel I find it hard to get the sweet spot for the tormach, either running to slow or over do it and machine regidity becomes a problem. it would be great to see what can be expected out of these machines, not just a tormach promo video running at the limit and editing it for sales.
@TheGreatBooger
5 жыл бұрын
Starting small is the exact reason why I’m getting a 770. Will be doing some car parts, firearm machine work, knives and as well as limited production AR15s/AR10s.
@victorsardo8619
5 жыл бұрын
Hi, America! Regards from Switzerland!
@irwinkamalie4383
5 жыл бұрын
Boom, boom brother love your thinking man I love this trade man in cnc for more than 18 years and now seeing that all of this technology is accessible to our kids is truly amazing. Keep up the good work brother. God Bless
@TITANSofCNC
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏
@cameronmcintosh7136
5 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on knurling with a CNC late please? There is not alot of information out there about it! Hope to hear back soon
@helicopterjohns
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Titan, Thanks for the VISION!!!! It is finally nice to see someone doing some positive stuff for the younger generation to give them some direction and appropriate training. John
@neilhuband995
5 жыл бұрын
I think I was one of the people you were taking to in this video. I said a lot of things about Tormach. You're right though, any CNC is a foot in the door to bigger and better things for hobbyists and makers etc Got a lot of respect for you titan for handling things the way you do, and for where you've come from and gotten to. Nice work dude :-)
@Factory48motorsports
5 жыл бұрын
keep spreading the love and knowledge Titan, it's inspiring.
@msquared6324
5 жыл бұрын
You better take her someplace nice for dinner!
@TITANSofCNC
5 жыл бұрын
Took her to a few :-)
@DIY3DTECHcom
5 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head as usual! You can't expect a $7,000 machine to stand up to a $30,000 unit! Nor do you needs to as its all about the parts you need to make! A motor cycle break handle doesn't require the same tolerances as something for SpaceX. As the old saying goes, a poor craftsman blames his tool! Rock Vegas! Boom!
@neilhuband995
5 жыл бұрын
30,000? A DMG Mori?, try 300,000 lol :-)
@uthzx
5 жыл бұрын
I have an tormach 1100 and really like it for what it is. I'm super excited that you decide to purchase one. I'm excited to learn new things from you on these machines so I can improve my skills and hopefully be on a hass or a mori one day. But you gotta start at the bottom and earn your keep & thats what I'm doing... Thanks, dude
@lowellhouser7731
5 жыл бұрын
I am not the audience for this video because I think it's a truly great thing that you're doing with this. I can't afford s HAAS, or a Tprmach or even a Chinese import conversion, but I can afford to DIY one. I have no doubt that a Tormach will look great by comparison, BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE PARTS.
@jeffd4927
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Titan man! After watching your previous video I wanna get one of these now, gonna start saving up, just started the academy not to long ago... been milling aluminum on CNC router with MDF for workholding / CA glue and tape, air compressor, and WD-40 can in hand to keep cool lol... These seem obtainable / great starting point until you work up to the HAAS level!
@multifamilyelectrical
5 жыл бұрын
See... that's what I like about you. You're honest. You didn't try to spin the valid complaints about Tormach's machines you acknowledged them and explained that you weren't selling Tormach machines but rather trying to address the 800 lb gorilla in the room about Titans of CNC Academy... and that is, "How do people going through the program actually get to run what they have just programmed so they can see what mistakes were made and thereby gain real world experience. Titans of CNC Academy is an amazingly awesome free education, but we have to have a machines to run our work on right? In my opinion, this is you trying to solve that problem using every resource at your disposal. Good on you! You know another idea towards that end might be that someone in your audience knows how to service Hass or other used machines. If they could help by tuning up 4 or 5 year old machines, that might also solve this problem. Yet another possible solution is GoFundMe or a similar crowd sourcing platform. I think you'd be blown away by the generosity that already exists in the hearts of your fans and I bet they would give out of their own pocket to establish schools within existing job shops strictly for the purpose of getting people this hands on training. I think what you are doing is unprecedented and I also think it is God inspired. I believe it's about to become way bigger than you ever imagined because it is inspired by giving and not a selfish motive. ...sorry, started preaching a little bit there :) Anyway Titan, keep it up and may God Bless you in this vision!
@jeromelick1988
5 жыл бұрын
I feel It’s a good option to have in house for your operator/programmer/machinist to learn on and not have to worry about how expensive you’re machine is if they happen to crash it. Even if it’s not making parts that you sell it’s worth it just for the training aspect. Remember when I started out... everyone told me the machines I was running were worth 500k and material I scrapped was 5k scared the crap out of me to run a part but come to find out it was more like 30k machine and $1.50 in material. Got to love machinists lol.
@shaneharvey1026
5 жыл бұрын
Titan, few people have this kind of vision. Fewer have the follow through and discipline to make something like this happen. Keep this up bud! I was in Vegas when you guys were driving down...crazy to see snow on the Vegas Strip.
@dansecord383
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for opening my eyes to Tormach, like many others all i heard was people vashing them. I understand them better now. Been in Cnc for 18yrs love to learn about other sides of the industry.
@consciouscool
5 жыл бұрын
Titan opening the doors. When I was in HS we still had a few schools with shops. The all ended up in the Union making bread. That needs to come back. Electrical, Plumbing and CNC training. Thanks TiTAN!!!
@waynecoots3634
5 жыл бұрын
You should also look at the Syil X7 if you haven't already. It has a wide range of options and can be bought for as little as $15k.
@terryquan9052
5 жыл бұрын
Way better to learn on a small machine than crash a big $$$$ one! A lot of parts don't call for crazy tolerance anyways. Better to take the tolerance than fight the tolerance. I use to have a employee that would keep adjusting +/- .0005" when the part was wide open a +/- .005". Driving to Vegas from Norcal = ok on the way, but really sucks on the drive home!
@billgreathouse1913
5 жыл бұрын
Perfect articulation of you purpose. I read someone go negative and claim you were bandwagoning, used the term sell out. You can't be a sell out when you are running 10's of machines that are 100's of times more expensive. In a shop like yours, that machine is a training aid that can save you $ beyond the cost of the machine and build confidence in rooky programmers and operators. Well played Titan.
@entertainmentaccount2996
5 жыл бұрын
As a retiree (who is building my own delta 3d printers - and just sent out for some CNC'ed parts) I am thinking of taking it to the next level with a milling machine. Before I do so I want to make sure that I know how to operate a machine safely. Is there any place I can get hands-on experience and guidance.
@krunaloza2937
5 жыл бұрын
Hello! Im new to this machining line. I want to get precise knowledge of machine capabilities. My father has been into the machining line since a decade manufacturing forklift parts... but has been using lathe machines. We recently purchased a Daewoo Puma machine. And a Pinaccho 750 machine. I need more knowledge on what machines to buy and how to quantify if a machine is in a good working condition coz a lotta people out here to cheat people just to make machine sales. I hope you read my comment and advice. Kinda in a tough spot financially coz lathe machines aint cutting it and these cnc ones dont seem to be in good condition either. Worst part is we cannot tell head to tails.
@BaldurNorddahl
5 жыл бұрын
Your wife needs to pull that head rest down. It can save her from whiplash if you are rear ended. But it needs to be set correct. Whiplash is no joke.
@monolyth1999
5 жыл бұрын
There you go again, taking it to another level! Pushing to better the next and future generations. Keep it up brother!
@wilsonandsonsprecision136
5 жыл бұрын
Love this video...just made a subscriber out off me
@TabletopMachineShop
5 жыл бұрын
Get a Taig next!
@josephbasanta
5 жыл бұрын
Titan I heard that the new Tormach have gone up drastically in quality but also have gone up in price, by about 10K and higher if wish to make it a more apples to apples comparison. Also several owners and former owners have stated that the customer service when you are buying is great, but as soon as something goes wrong and the machine doesn't perform you are ignored or worst off pointed at KZitemr to try and help you.
@multiHappyHacker
5 жыл бұрын
That's not entirely true, the service isn't calling someone to drive out to your machine and fix it at high cost, it's tech support and cheap replacement parts. Sometimes you have to do your due diligence.
@bataantom
5 жыл бұрын
They havent gone up in price much. The pcnc1100 s3 vs 1100m is almost nothing. The base price was $8K for a pcnc1100 but you had to buy a controller $700 and shipping $1000. The 1100m includes both for $9995. Also some of the accessories are cheaper for a 1100m
@josephbasanta
5 жыл бұрын
@@multiHappyHacker I think you misunderstood me. When you have a problem with Microsoft, Oracle or IBM and you call their tech support you speak to their perspective tech support to help you with your problem. When you CALL Tormach's tech support they point you to one of their "customers" and or "KZitemrs" to figure out your tech support problem. We are talking about initial discussion to figure out what is wrong. Not even at the point of getting field service at your local.
@josephbasanta
5 жыл бұрын
@@MC_Motors I think you are right in some respects, they are still cheap at the base model what we use to call in cars, sitting on orange crate model. My point was if you bring it up to the model "equivalent" of say a DMG or Haas, it is not going to be that cheap. But you are in my view 100% correct regarding it is "made in China" especially given Titan's "made in America" and "American manufacturing" taglines.
@josephbasanta
5 жыл бұрын
@@bataantom apples to apples and oranges to oranges. The 9K model is not a fair comparison the $25K version is closer to apples to apples comparison.
@TheDrays83
5 жыл бұрын
I like your logic. thumbs up
@manishgupta-ui3np
5 жыл бұрын
USA should be proud to have u
@chrish1645
5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic reasoning, and I do find it a bit odd that some folks still don't seem to get it. No one is saying that a Tormach is going to compete with even a Haas on precision, or speed. However you can absolutely learn on one, and I'd even argue that a less rigid, less powerful machine can make you a little more aware of speeds and feeds etc since you don't have the power and rigidity to just plow through stuff. Another benefit to a Tormach, depending on your situation, is that they are small and can be set up in a garage or a basement. Some people have plenty of space, for others this is going to be the reason they can't get something like a Haas, they simply have no room for it. Leasing an industrial space isn't viable for everyone, especially if you aren't making money through CNCing yet. Full disclosure, I just got a great deal on a lightly used Tormach 3 series 770, I broke it down into 3 pieces, and just finished assembling it in my basement. Do I wish I had a Haas? Sure. Is it amazing that I have a functional cnc milling machine in my basement? I think so! (not sure if my wife does). A couple of other things to consider are that if you want to get into CNCing and even cheaper method is with a CNC router. You can get small ones for well under $2k, and there are also a lot of plans for building your own if you want to go down that route. Plastic and wood are what you'll be mostly cutting on these, but the fundamentals are the same, and it is a great way to learn Fusion, or your CAD/CAM package of choice. Also I'd like to address the $7k figure you keep throwing out for the Tormach 770M. Realistically I would budget more like $12K-$15K if you were to go down this route. While the mill itself may be ~$7K, by the time you add in a controller, vise, tooling, tool holding, and then either buy a stand/enclosure, or get the materials to make your own, it is going to be several thousand more. Finally there are some other players in this segment of the market. The biggest upcoming one seems to be Syil. They're a Chinese import machine, that doesn't have the US presence of Tormach (although Tormachs are still made in China), but what you do get for a similar price is linear rails, some options for more industrial controllers, and arguably a better spindle. Something to consider. Cant' wait to see what comes next.
@jimazmachining6313
5 жыл бұрын
I think the machine is overpriced, I agree with teaching thats great, but the numbers your throwing out to be finally up and running with a tormach, you could buy a used 90s fadal for example, but many others for 15k if you look and be tooled at about the same total cost. So you say room, yeah room and power is a issue for some guys, but does that justify the exorbitant price for a lightweight chinese machine?
@chrish1645
5 жыл бұрын
For me it was the only option that would fit in the space I have. I think a lot of people are in a similar situation. Like I said I also got a heck of a deal on a used one. I couldn't justify the price for a new one. Especially the fully kitted out ones for $25K! If the Tormach hadn't come along, then I'd probably have looked at building myself as rigid a CNC router as I could to learn on, or possibly saved up for a barebones Syil. I hear the used Fadal, Mazak, Haas, whatever argument get thrown around a lot. Sure there are some good deals to be had, but you kind of need to know what you're getting yourself into. It also doesn't solve the issue of space that a lot of these machines have, not to mention the cost of rigging. I feel like the used VMC route makes a lot more sense if you already know what you're doing. At the end of the day, I'm just happy to have all the choices and information available that we do now. Where manufacturing is compared to even 10 years ago feels like a huge leap, and one that anyone willing to put the effort in can excel at.
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