Just wanted to take the op to say thanks so much for watching this folkes! This video has been a LONG time coming with over a year going into it. I hear from a lot of you that the quality of the mic is bad in the intro. I agree and I'm sorry about that. I wish YT would let me replace the audio track with a fixed one but alas, I cannot. This only lasts a few mins however in the intro and I've taken great care to make sure future uploads don't exhibit this behaviour. My apologies 😊
@harukatakahashi8822
Жыл бұрын
Right now I'm listening to it right now but I hope it's not like the same thing that I already heard from other videos like this
@Justin_Roiland
Жыл бұрын
@Haruka Takahashi i'll read your comment in a minute, but I hope it's not like other comments on videos like this
@harukatakahashi8822
Жыл бұрын
@@Justin_Roiland Rick and Morty?
@Justin_Roiland
Жыл бұрын
@Haruka Takahashi yep, it's me :)
@1aratos
Жыл бұрын
Man for the first video on the channel, this was quite a watch. Can't wait to see more stuff from you bro, cheers!
@zerotakis
Жыл бұрын
Danny saying he lost interest after Jon left is probably my favorite joke to come out of Game Grumps
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Hahaha I feel that, Mine has got to be updog for the giggling fit alone :D
@HarleyAMV
Жыл бұрын
@@itscassette I love the battle kid boss rant! xD
@FormalFilmsProductions
Жыл бұрын
My favorite moment was the giggle fit they went into playing that Santa sled game
@Bazmodius
Жыл бұрын
Give your dad a Faygo for me
@qwertyup536
Жыл бұрын
seeing that pfp and that name makes me happy.
@odintillgren3212
Ай бұрын
So for 11 years, people have been asking "Why did Jon leave?", Jon gave the excuse of "Creative differences", while Arin held the line of "Creative Differences". And after over a decade of research controversy, NDAs, and speculation, it turns out that the reason Jon left Game Grumps was because they had creative differences.
@DemiSupremi
29 күн бұрын
Well yeah. None of them had a problem with Jon's sense of humor. Only the perpetually on twitters had that problem. The only reason Jon even suffered a small drop in popularity from the obvious fallacious allegations is he only uploads once every 10,000 years. If he uploaded smaller videos monthly like he planned he would probably have led yt to a new age of goathood.
@AstarTiamat
29 күн бұрын
@odintillgren3212 lmao, the only difference is if only C, both C and D, or neither are in caps. Very clever.
@xservox
21 күн бұрын
I actually clicked this video to leave a similar comment. It's been 11 years. The time to move on has passed years ago
@zlbproductions7340
19 күн бұрын
@@DemiSupremi Well, I'd say the "allegations" were more than "fallacious", considering he went onto a live stream to say all sorts of wacky stuff with his own mouth. I haven't followed what all happened since, but none of that spelled very good things for Jon's personal beliefs over time.
@CkVega
11 күн бұрын
@@zlbproductions7340 Did he lie though?
@PabbyPabbles
Жыл бұрын
I remember watching Jon and never touching the Grumps so when Arin appeared in the Star Wars video I was like "Hey, it's Egoraptor! How random!" and completely missed the drama
@TheBfutgreg
10 ай бұрын
Did you see the Malkovich videos? Ego was in those before GG started
@MaoRatto
9 ай бұрын
I only wanted JonTron, but miss his video game content.
@thingsihate_3333
6 ай бұрын
Ditto. COMPLETELY went over my head! My sister was a die-hard JonTron fan, so when I started watching Danny was already in and I was like "Oh, I finally watched that gamegrumps show you keep talking about. That Arin and Dan-" and she flipped out at me for mentioning the 'fake grump'. It wasn't until Jon's racist comments that we were able to talk about the show again and she was over it. 🤣
@MaoRatto
6 ай бұрын
@@thingsihate_3333 Get a life if talking about Racism in the western anglosphere. What about affirmative action and diversity hires are real realism
@snerttt
6 ай бұрын
@@mateohodge6998crime rates are completely separate from eugenics dog. It's a cultural phenomenon.
@PatLund
Жыл бұрын
It's still so crazy to me that Jon was only on the show for less than a year.
@metroidman3893
Жыл бұрын
Jon's charisma is powerful.
@tgs7515
Жыл бұрын
Which is why it’s so mind blowing that people are so fixated on Jon leaving the show, and about portraying him as some helpless victim. He was there to help get things going, but Game Grumps is the product of Arin and Danny. Jon is doing just fine - and as the video points out, doing even better - with his own projects.
@hemmydall
Жыл бұрын
@@tgs7515 I found that a little odd to point out. Like YT subs is a big indication of success? Both sides seem happy and successful, and good on them for it. The vid's e-peen measuring comes across as petty to me.
@Captain_Subpar
Жыл бұрын
It's weird for me. I was definitely one of those people who didn't initially like Danny and thought the show would never be the same. Now? If I go back to old Jon episodes they usually make me cringe. Both Jon and Arin - but especially Jon - said some really gross, juvenile things that I don't find nearly as funny in my late 30s as I did in my 20s.
@travistreadway3180
Жыл бұрын
@@tgs7515 looking at it that way saying Jon was trying to help things grow as a friend to then leave because he believed his friend is gonna be fine is a nice way to look at it but I feel it’s more underlying issues than just that but that could be part of it too
@hamishwalker9637
Жыл бұрын
The shot of Ross and Holly still together in Starcade was a flashbang to my brain man holy shit.
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Laughs in foreboding 👀
@supertoxicgamer
Жыл бұрын
@@itscassette maaan i remember all that drama. still cant believe a dime like holly fucked that gamerdude that looks like he has a beak
@LoveElephant_
Жыл бұрын
@@itscassette wait
@KIWI_DUDE.
Жыл бұрын
Wow, i'd forgotten about her. that whole debacle was a shitstorm and a half. That thing with her and ProJared was a wild month of unravelings
@oliveiradmdiogo
Жыл бұрын
Wait they're not together anymore? What did I miss?
@ghhn4505
Жыл бұрын
I think what's wild is that 10 years later, we're still talking about this. Everything around the situation is just so bizarre.
@sloth-spirit
Жыл бұрын
From a scope of time perspective, it certainly seems like a terrible decision. I understand staying silent while Danny transitioned into the new role, but after he became adored by fans and cemented himself with a longer tenure in Jon they should have cleared the air. At this point, I can see speculation continuing to haunt them for another 10 years.
@betheguy_posts
Жыл бұрын
That's the power of parasocial relationships.
@Itariatan
Жыл бұрын
It's internet history. Should be remembered in my opinion
@PatienceKiss
11 ай бұрын
Egoprator is a weirdo. Fans of a product aren't stupid, people understand relationship dynamics and they don't like being lied to. When something fishy happens and the crew try to sweep it under the rug and gaslight fans, it becomes insulting and people start wondering why they would feel the need to do that if nothing fishy was happening. Just don't be a manipulative horrible person While also trying to control everyone's perception of reality like some illusory warlock and the Streisand effect will likely pass over whatever petty drama you have
@Franpowah
10 ай бұрын
Same as The Completonist split, the NDA tells us all we need to know about who's in the wrong.
@angrynoodletwentyfive6463
Жыл бұрын
honestly it seems the two just wanted different things. Arin wanted a reliable income, Jon wanted the freedom to be experimental. Neither of those desires are "wrong" they are just not compatible.
@BoostKingEVO10
Ай бұрын
Especially with Arin growing up pretty much poor, I could see why he was being so defensive towards the brand and wanting a reliable income.
@TrllyToys
Жыл бұрын
There's nothing wrong with Arin wanting to turn Game Grumps Into a business and there's nothing wrong with Jon not being interested in that. I'm happy for both of them for what they've made of their lives and wish fans would stop trying to paint either as the negative force that ended the duo. It's just how these things go
@fishbiter9409
Жыл бұрын
True, they're both at fault and should both be punished.
@turtlenuggetz7895
Жыл бұрын
i still wish mom and dad never got divorced tho if only they had somehow compromised
@starvalus
Жыл бұрын
I agree with the sentiment completely, except that i feel the issue could have been completely avoided if they'd just been upfront about it. It feels like that decision to be completely secretive and silent is what did the most harm to the channel, Arin, Jon, Dan, and probably everyone else involved with the channel throughout that.
@ShenDoodles
Жыл бұрын
Even though I don't like everything Arin's done, I respect him immensely for his work ethic and how he builds up the people below him in Game Grumps. He sounds like a great boss.
@donkeydeck5263
Жыл бұрын
@@turtlenuggetz7895what's wrong with having 2 Christmases?
@Ty-eq1kt
6 ай бұрын
Crazy how we still care about this "era" which lasted less than a year. They've been going 11 years without him now.
@mickeynotmouse
Ай бұрын
Just goes to show how much funnier jon and arin were. The jon era videos always made me.laugh out loud. The danny lps are more like just a podcast, they just chat, they dont do as many bits
@psycless
Ай бұрын
@@mickeynotmouse so not true. if u wanna get back into gg watch some ten minute power hour theyre hilarious
@tsyykis
26 күн бұрын
@@mickeynotmouse Question of preference. I personally enjoy the chill energy Dan has. It doesn't need to be so chaotic all the time.
@mickeynotmouse
26 күн бұрын
@tsyykis thats what im saying. People enjoy dan the way they enjoy podcasts. They listen and they get comfort from it. Its not a bad thing, its just a dime a dozen type content. Real gut busting comedy is a lot more rare. A lot more valuable
@danduhlion
21 күн бұрын
@@mickeynotmouse Danny has made me laugh harder. Jon wasn't that funny. You're just nostalgic for Jon.
@Vampxp_
Жыл бұрын
While it’s easy to make Arin the villain for being very invested in game grumps as a brand, I remember Arin’s stories about growing up dirt poor. To Arin, a constant paycheck and financial security is the most important thing, and when game grumps became that he had trouble letting go. Also this is a great video, and I really do believe we can finally stop speculating
@Chris_W
Жыл бұрын
What bothers me is this video kinda seems to frame it as selfishly? Even though Arin has a lot of people working for him whose stability he wants to protect too, I'm sure
@the-white-eye
Жыл бұрын
i also dont think its necessarily just brand alone. they have an audience, saying hateful shit in private is bad but broadcasting it to all your viewers, some of whom could be seriously hurt by it is way worse. sure, arin is a bit too quick to call things hurtful like with the pelo video, but its far better to be too careful with this kinda stuff than not careful enough. i personally think hes totally in the right in the whole situation
@midoriasakusa
Жыл бұрын
people are way too desperate to white knight for jon its kind of concerning
@nugget6635
Жыл бұрын
Yep the business was very important. Otherwise there would be no NDA. Jontron was just not careful enough to stay in business simple as that.
@iwatchyoutubealot
Жыл бұрын
@@midoriasakusa cause Jon has literally not done anything wrong in any of the shit presented lol
@CalebratedTV
Жыл бұрын
As a fan from the beginning, it's so bizarre to watch this video and be like "Oh my gosh. I remember this day." and to have actual explanation behind really weird discoveries at the time. Great work!!
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for your lovely words! I remember that day too so much, It's seared into my memory and I could even tell you what I was doing when I found out! I think that means just how much Game Grumps meant to a lot of us. I'm really happy that I can offer a deeper dive on the subject that hasn't been seen up until now
@nftscreenshotter6436
Жыл бұрын
Same, so we must've been watching at the same time. I was a big fan of egoraptor and The Awesome Series from newgrounds. I had never heard of Jon when they channel was created, I was just there to see what Arin was up to. Fell in love and watched every episode on the day it came out after school, with a side of microwave chicken nuggets. Became a big fan of Jon, him quickly becoming my favorite of the pair. Now I'm 28 years old. What even is time.
@spazma_
Жыл бұрын
Don't mix business with friendship, a classic tale.
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Tale as old as time! Thanks so much for watching ❤️
@GruppeSechs
Жыл бұрын
And don't lend family money when you don't know they're 100% good for it.
@jaceyates6315
Жыл бұрын
ive also heard to not attemp mixing those things with arin hansen unless you want a bad time
@carlwheezer1030
7 ай бұрын
fartners
@ianmullmusic
6 ай бұрын
Sure, but Danny and Arin have always had a really strong friendship and have been doing relatively well business wise
@Zmax15
Жыл бұрын
When they started saying that they broke up for creative reasons, I believed it. I always think about the story they told when Jon was on the show, about literally creating Game Grumps Inc. with an attorney or something. To the best of my recollection, they had to both write "Partner" next to their names to clarify their official positions, and after Arin did that, Jon wrote "Fartner" and then he had to actually write it correctly. Jon just had a different perspective about the business, and the partnership lasted as long as it could like that.
@iRsemple
Жыл бұрын
Lmao honestly the entire documentary could be replaced with this one comment and still deliver the same message
@MrKaduCraft
Жыл бұрын
Here's the clip. It did't age very well..... kzitem.info/news/bejne/mG-CmWqXrqmFa44&ab_channel=GrumpsTheMovie
@pXnTilde
Жыл бұрын
@@iRsemple "Arin wanted a partner, but all Jon wanted to be was a fartner" 🙏🏻🙏🏻
@babulbi
Жыл бұрын
Nah, I never believed it because of how weird the circumstances were and how sudden it all came across.
@randomguyontheinternet7940
Жыл бұрын
Thats a really good way to put it holy fuck lol. Honestly I feel like Arin was more playful early on, you could see his passion for games and entertainment in all the animations, rants and videos he created as well as the childhood stories he told. The show-biz side came out later on but then again I don't know him so I could be wrong.
@gulermo
Жыл бұрын
despite some decisions being very questionable, both of their motives were very understandable, Jon wanted his main channel to be his main thing and didn't want to turn GG in a corporation because it would suck his time away from the JonTron channel, but Arin was sick of how tiresome animation was and didn't want it to be his only source of money, so making GG bigger was his only way of getting an actual job that isn't hell like doing animation only, it just sucks that they did not handle the break up of the aftermath well at all
@Deeken171
Жыл бұрын
I'm not completely convinced. If that really was the case, you'd think it would be as simple as one honest conversation where they gave each other's perspective. Because their visions actually align. Arin wants a project other than animation to run, and Jon doesn't want to run anything else and just show up for a podcast style gaming session so he can focus on JonTron. So, what's the problem exactly? How exactly does this prompt Jon to move across the country and sign away his ownership with an NDA? Still something important missing. Probably whatever actually happened at that E3.
@gulermo
Жыл бұрын
@@Deeken171 my guess is that they had multiple conversations about this before, and after Jon got drunk during the whole E3 episode, i don't think they had just a normal argument but a "fight", insults and etc, that's probably when both of them had enough of getting nowhere with all the disagreements, and the fight was so bad they just couldn't live normally with that friendship anymore, Jon wanted to move before this fight happened according to that friend of Jon's fiancé, so if anything his mind was already made up about leaving and focusing on Jontron anyway since Game Grumps was getting way too big and wouldn't be just a side channel anymore, i don't feel like there was anything too fucked up to hide with an NDA, but if there was, considering how young, edgy and imature they seemed to be at that time, it was probably on both their interests to sign that NDA
@meburritoloco7475
Жыл бұрын
Those are both valid complaints from both parties. As someone who dabbles in creativity, animation, drawing, 3D modeling, w/e. Having that as a job would be tortures, I would get creatively burnt out so quickly, it being a hobby and enjoying it in moderation is what makes it therapeutic to me. And Jon just wants his channel to grow, a thing most YT creators want. I would've been happy with a compromise like Jon agrees to play games hard with Arin for 2 or 3 days, and have the editor cut and make content out of that for the week and Jon focuses on his Channel and personal life outside that. Maybe that was too much for Jon and not enough time for Erin. Whatever the case, Danny was someone who I didn't know, and therefore didn't expect to like as much as Jon, but I feel he has more chemistry with Arin. I'm glad there's no hard feelings between the two. Just people going their separate career paths, unfortunate, but something that can't be helped.
@lifeunderthestarstv
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, switching from animation to let's play game stuff was definetly long sited 😂, remind me which is bigger now? The guys should have just been honest and not done an NDA. Jon came out better because his main channel wasn't the one with the drama.
@Sealedaway
Жыл бұрын
@@lifeunderthestarstv You talk as if Game Grumps isn’t a successful brand today which it absolutely is. Besides, Arin has talked plenty about how stressful he finds it to work with animation. Even if it’s become financially viable again, what if he just doesn’t want to do it for personal reasons?
@Thegbear
Жыл бұрын
I think people really wanted a villain. They wanted to blame someone. Facts are facts, Jon is impulsive, and Arin is career driven. It wasn’t meant to be, they were both idiots in how they handled it, and that’s the end of the story.
@jddi1527
11 ай бұрын
That’s probably what happened tbh
@Thegbear
7 ай бұрын
@@syruscoy1244 His career. The one where he’s built an almost universally known let’s play channel on KZitem, where he’s part of a band, where he tours literally the world doing sold out shows with his own touring company? That one. You don’t have to like him, but the man has built a solid career as a creator online with a very large and dedicated fanbase. You just can’t discredit that.
@mightymoeish
2 ай бұрын
Career driven in fucking sitting on the couch playing video games? Yall gotta have higher standards
@PantyStockinGarter
Ай бұрын
@mightymoeish looks like it beats the hell out of sitting around in an office cubicle all day pushing paper
@BobbieGuam
Ай бұрын
@@ThegbearSome of that came after Jon though. I'd give more credit to his Newgrounds animation days leading up to him and Jon making Game Grumps. Anyone and everyone who frequently visited Newgrounds knew about the "AWESOME" series. Metal Gear AWESOME, Shadow of the AWESOME, etc. He already had fans, he was just figuring out what to do with that influence
@simian4752
Жыл бұрын
I'll never forget going to a 2 week summer camp with no internet whatsoever. Getting back and everything with steam train, Jon leaving had happened. I couldn't believe it :(
@casowling
Жыл бұрын
Damn.
@thatcityboy73
Жыл бұрын
my exact experience
@Swerdman55
Жыл бұрын
@@thatcityboy73 same!! although I recall somehow having my phone with me, scrolling through tons of posts trying to understand :(
@chancefreely
Жыл бұрын
That's rough, holy heck. If a favorite channel of mine exploded while I was gone, I'd be pretty upset. I'm a more recent Grumps viewer, having only been watching for the past two or so years, and I do really like the dynamic of Arin and Dan. Maybe if I watched some of the older stuff, then my perspective would change, but I'm satisfied with the current arrangement.
@PinkManGuy
Жыл бұрын
I can relate, I just moved out on my own. No internet except at work, finding out that Jon left was a lot to take in while working midnight shifts at McDonalds
@Merlandese
Жыл бұрын
I remember at a MAGfest, at least one year after Jon left GG, going to an out-of-the-way fast food place that was basically completely empty except for Arin and Jon at a table, by themselves, just talking. To this day I wonder what they were up to.
@zero-pl3tt
Жыл бұрын
They seemed to be in contact at least until around the time of Starcade. Honestly if not for the destiny stream they'd probably have made at least one reunion gg ep by now.
@herecomesaregular8418
Жыл бұрын
@@saltythebear I've always assumed since the Destiny incident that a political difference between Jon and Arin played a role in their split. Not the whole reason, mind you. Or even a large one, perhaps. But anyone who has ever tried to hold a partnership together when they hold two very different perspectives on important matters knows it's *very* difficult. (Especially if one or both are very vocal about these views.)
@Seattletyy93
Жыл бұрын
They were probably eating fast food
@isuckatrhythmgames.
Жыл бұрын
@@saltythebear While most of us will agree that Jon doesn't have the best political views, the are a lot of things people blow out of proportion with Jon, and I'm going to make some assumptions (Like many of other people are doing anyways) since I don't know him or haven't seem much of his live appearances: 1- Jon is probably not the best "Live Speaker" when put under the spot. People like Destiny are no different from the snakes you see on TV, or the Ben Shapiro's in public debates, they know what they are doing, they know how to make questions that will make you look bad, they will trick you into saying stuff you don't want to, and if you're not well-spoken you will probably end up saying things that don't reflect your true values since you'll be just explaining them badly. 2- None of this should've even been brought to light in the first place. Yes, if the stuff he says or things makes you feel bad about supporting his content, then you're free to stop watching it, however, at least to me, political ideas have never stopped me from enjoying the content from the creators and artists I like. You're not giving them money by watching the content (Your 1 view contribution is not that significant after all). If Jon did commit some actual crime then I'm willing to agree that people have a legitimate reason to throw him under the bus, but at least from what I've seen of him, he just has some dumb views.
@Merlandese
Жыл бұрын
@@Seattletyy93 But... that was the one thing they definitely weren't doing! The table was empty! So, so empty!
@wiikoolaid9768
7 ай бұрын
only disagrree about the part where Jon's vids have millions of views while Game Grumps averages 100-300K because the frequency of uploads is completely different. Averaging above 100K on daily uploads is akin to millions of views on less frequent uploads
@Giavekz
Ай бұрын
Hell yeah, Facts
@snowlondon8642
Ай бұрын
yes, i’m not gonna watch every single upload of a channel that posts daily, especially if not every game they play is something that particularly interests me. on the contrary, jon posts every 6 months AT MOST (it’s not uncommon for an entire year to pass between uploads) and nearly every video has a frankly insane production value, and his content is just generally more spectacle than the casual, “tune in when you feel like it” vibe of the grumps
@stonetemplepilot420
Ай бұрын
cant glaze Jon when you put it like that.
@MeteorFalcon
Ай бұрын
One thing about that, though, alot of those views are repeated. So saying they are one to one is a bit disingenuous. Also GG's views to subscribers ratio is alot worse, which is also a very important stat.
@dongyongkim
Ай бұрын
agreeded I'd say both channels have very different strategies for uploading but both seem to have stable and dedicated audiences that give their videos a healthy amount of views overall
@VueiyVisarelli
Жыл бұрын
Dan's joke, "I lost interest after Jon left the show," had me _rolling!_ 😂🤣
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
He really is a sassy salty Sandra 😂 thanks for watching! It means everything
@SaminaJam96
Жыл бұрын
I remember some interview where Arin talked about hanging out with Danny early in their friendship and noticed their natural chemistry. He thought that IF Jon ever left Game Grumps, he would bring Danny on. It was treated like a sweet moment, but it proves that Arin never saw Grumps as "the thing me and Jon do together." Jon was always replaceable.
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
That's an excellent point you raise there. Again we already know how much Arin was focussing on widening the channel and turning into a mega-hub, It really was progressing that way before things fractured with Arin and Jon. Appreciate you and your comment
@thunderborn3231
Жыл бұрын
definitely a thought supported by how game grumps now has a corporate, production, and merchandice sections of employment among their members. even danny could be replaced to keep the content wood mill running its all setup and waiting
@TheVulpesh
Жыл бұрын
I think this is a biased way of thinking. Just think about it, Jon always had a backup plan with the Jontron channel, but it's wrong for Arin to have a backup plan with Danny in mind? GG is a strict format with 2 people, it's just bad business not to have a way out if Jon decides to leave.
@Static_Uproar
Жыл бұрын
I thought he said he would call up Danny if Jontron was ever sick or something, but not as a permanent replacement. The context would be different there. But it's been a while since I saw the clip you're mentioning so I may not be remembering it 100% accurately.
@TheVulpesh
Жыл бұрын
@@Static_Uproar I don't remember the exact episode, but I think it was Bloodborne or Dark souls maybe, where Arin talked about this.
@ScootaNinja
Жыл бұрын
Now we just need the story of why the Oney Crew, Ding Dong and Julian left the grumps office
@Reioa
Жыл бұрын
Ooooh I’d love if he made that
@intoxicatedmon
Жыл бұрын
A channel named spooky weebtrash made a segment in a video on that video is 3hrs long but she has times stamps
@Katzykor
Жыл бұрын
I remember when dingdong started streaming a long ass time ago he said something about how he and julian didn't like dream daddy as a concept (they were in the GG offices during its development) and this is eventually what led to oneyplays leaving the GG office/fued between Chris and Oney. Rumor has it that corporate GG didn't like that an actual gay couple in their offices were sharing dissenting opinions about their gay dating sim, and oneyplays was asked to vacate the building.
@TheVenhammer
11 ай бұрын
Ding dong has talked about it on stream. Game Grumps, especially Suzy, are vile and should be ashamed.
@ScootaNinja
11 ай бұрын
I watched both DD streams about the situation and its awful. its too bad DD doesn't want the story out there and wants the drama to end. That didn't stop Lex though, now we know Supermega have just as big an ego as Arin@@TheVenhammer
@jalopyman3014
Жыл бұрын
I can't tell you how much a breath of fresh air it is to finally have a video that doesn't write this situation out like it's some dark conspiracy and takes the realistic approach that it was just the creative disagreements of two dudes. These things happen all the time, Jon and Arin are just humans and make mistakes, doesn't mean I agree with all of the decisions that either of them has made and if I'm being honest I've always had a bias a bit more in favor of Arin. I discovered grumps post Jon so Danny has always been Not so grump to me and personally I've always preferred the dynamic between Arin and Danny. The two of them have gotten me through some rough times and I cherish the laughs they have given me, but I've come to recognize that Arin can make some questionable choices and isn't always the most rational of people but he tries his best and that's all you can ask of a person in the end. Both sides are happy and still doing what they love and have ultimately moved on. I think this could be a good lesson for the internet and people in general that dwelling on the past mistakes of others is ultimately unhelpful and perpetuates that toxic cancel culture mindset. Give people their just amount of criticism at the moment that it's appropriate and move on.
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing those lovely words with me
@slikognito
Жыл бұрын
Well stated.👌👏
@DoubleKillFilms
Жыл бұрын
Well he compares game grumps censoring a Miiverse post to Stalin so. While he did do a better job explaining the actual reasons behind the whole thing, it’s still a pretty dramatic telling of it hahaha
@SimpleSymonds
Жыл бұрын
As someone else who became a Grumps fan post Jon, I can agree that it's nice to see a video like this. I'm glad the whole situation has basically been revealed to just be conflicting viewpoints, and nothing more serious. I love both JonTron and Game Grumps, and will keep supporting both these channels.
@herecomesaregular8418
Жыл бұрын
@@DoubleKillFilms Definitely a "C'mon dude, really?!?" kinda moment lol. Also did sense some leaning towards Jon, even in light of his...ahem..."views".
@qwooperdooper5209
Жыл бұрын
I feel like it's important to point out that when you were talking about video views per game grumps and Jon Tron, you only pointed out the number of views per video without addressing that Jon Tron uploads maybe 5 times per year. Whereas game grumps upload every day. So taking that into account, game grumps is getting twice the viewer count of Jon Tron. Personally i'm not partial to either Jon Tron or Game Grumps, I just wanted to say that statistics have to be viewed correctly.
@evelynphipps610
Жыл бұрын
@Rhysman30 he has GG, The Grumps (a side channel), RPGees (enamel pins), recent voice acting (Rick and Morty and OK KO), GG merch, GG tours, his books, and maybe even occasional ad deals
@DarkInnerEssence
Жыл бұрын
So much about this video, such as that part, come off as framed the way they were to paint a particular picture of a situation. Purposefully missing or ignored context like that. It is dishonest, and gives the impression of ulterior motives with this video. Anyone that is or was a fan of the two knows the polarity in their respective upload schedules. To leave that info out, is thoughtless at best.
@Thalanox
Жыл бұрын
Well, I usually do not prefer to watch content that is produced daily. I think, (having not actually watched the documentary yet, but I can comment on this idea, at least) that both styles of content production could serve different audiences.
@qwooperdooper5209
Жыл бұрын
@@Thalanox well the reason I pointed it out is because in the video he made the argument that JonTron videos get more views than game grumps videos, therefore he is doing better while game grumps is struggling. I just felt the need to point out that technically game grumps is doing better than jon tron and that the infrequency of jon tron can spike the viewership.
@jaklacroix
Жыл бұрын
agreed, that part of the video - among some others - felt a little disingenuous.
@playlistenthusiast
Жыл бұрын
That Total Biscuit comment of "You'll never find out, that's buried " leaves a nagging feeling like there's still an unsolved piece to the puzzle that we'll never hear.
@maximvazhov6904
8 ай бұрын
OMG, same! I wish we could find that out somehow
@philipearakaki
Ай бұрын
I'm gonna be honest, i think either Jon or Arin might have done some fucked up shit on E3, either on a personal or professional level, and the other left because they don't want to be involved with that kind of thing, people just don't act like that over "creative differences", there was a lot of damage control that would be highly unecessary if Jon just came clear on an Episode and said, "Look guys, i think i'm done with GG, i want to steer my content on new horizons, there's this new guy that we will take over, see you guys around" and showed up once in a while to be a guest or easter egg, in fact, people would love that, Jon actually did that when he started to walk away from game reviews and people took that fine, that was 100% an emergency ejection, if i ever saw one.
@pompon_pau
Жыл бұрын
Interesting video, and nice documentation! But i do have to say its kinda weird to place Arin as an "angry overcontrolling boss" to Jon considering we dont know anything regarding they're personal lives at that time. The ending to the "the reason Jon left" segment is a bit too speculatory to be part of a documentary style video. (kinda sounded like you were making Jon out to be some sort of victim to Arin)
@torglesnarfprime
Жыл бұрын
agreed. this comment needs a boost because, at worst, Arin could sue for defamation, yknow?
@PlastikShark
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think that was a bit too far as well. I genuinely mean it when I say this. Neither Jon nor Arin seem like bad dudes. But really painting Arin as the bad guy when he was just trying to expand the show is shrubbery. If we absolutely HAVE to point a finger at someone, it was kinda messed up that Jon up and left the project suddenly with the other's livelihoods on the line. But it was over a decade ago. I imagine if you were to ask Jon, he would tell you first hand that he would have done things differently in hindsight. They were young.
@taurbeer
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the sudden switch from talking the facts to suddenly going full conspiracy felt out of place at best. Everything up until like the 50 minute mark was reporting on things that had actually happened, and then the video started talking only hypotheticals in the same tone, making it out like those statements are as factually correct as what came before.
@iRsemple
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I feel like that ending was missing one follow up point. The "Angry Boss Arin" stuff should have been framed as a "Maybe this was Jon's perspective." And then instead of that being the video conclusion, the follow up to conclude the video should have been the "Or maybe that's not like what it was at all." Maybe even include "or From Arin's perspective, maybe John was that partner who was dragging his feet and holding the channel back from its potential." It was just odd that the whole hour long video seemed to be very neutral, (going back and forth with "maybe this perspn/event was bad? Or maybe this one.." and then the final statement wasn't neutral. It was just a "maybe Arin was bad? The end." But it also didn't come across as a "Maybe" but instead a "Probably Arin was bad." Because it was the final statement to conclude the video and "answer the question" of "what happened?" So, being a Jon-stan lol, I agree. That angry boss comment came across as a "probably what happened" when it should have been a "potentially someone's perspective of the situation" that should have been followed by the other sides relative perspective, and then a conclusion that says "one of, or both of, those perspectives is probably the answer."
@novaroseoooooo
Жыл бұрын
It felt really off to me to see so much research and evidence go into most of the video, and then have that entire ending section that sounded equally authoritative, but seems entirely speculative? Do we even have proof that Arin's actions are motivated primarily by public image and not just his own values shifting? I feel like we don't really have a way to say for certain one way or another. I stopped watching JonTron after it became clear that he was sticking with his white nationalist bullshit (I'd love to learn that that's changed but I've moved on at this point), and I stopped watching Game Grumps after evidence surfaced of Danny taking advantage of vulnerable women, so I don't have a particular interest in either side anymore, but it was still kinda uncomfortable to see this theory stated as if it were absolute fact :\
@rfmerrill
Жыл бұрын
To give Arin & co full benefit of the doubt, it could be that censoring the Miiverse post was the best way they could think of to not violate the aforementioned NDA. Depending on how it is written, even just showing the post could be a violation, and showing it *and* reacting to it could easily be a violation.
@scottdenby290
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if Arin's change in attitude was him figuring out whether or not they'd have to censor that post and what they'd do to cover it
@sloshed-rat
3 ай бұрын
Yeah. Arin seemed bummed. Maybe it was because he had to switch his brain into "businessman mode" during what was supposed to be a lighthearted moment he was sharing with fans.
@tracyblanchard7663
Ай бұрын
Agreed. Depending on terms, it could be that they saw openly censoring it as not worth the hassle of not being able to explain or as just easier to cover with something else. It's like a poster over a scratch in the wall. Doesn't make things better, but people have to be looking to find something off.
@c_1ay
Жыл бұрын
As a fan of both, it's really weird that the video definitely vilifies Arin even though it goes out of its way to say it isn't. To your theory, Jon was hungover the morning of scheduled press events and they had a fight about priorities and split. How is the take-away that Arin was some sort of control freak obsessed with PR? It also isn't unreasonable and a good move, not just PR-wise, but ethically and morally to denounce Jon's racist remarks. To my memory, even that 'denouncement' was pretty luke-warm. I liked the video for its informative read through of the conspiracy grump posts and the editing was spectacular, but the editorializing became annoying and eventually straight up off-putting once it seemed to handwave Jon's split with multiple long-term friends/businesses as being impulsive and not a result of his consistent, objectively offensive, past remarks.🤷The video really shows a clear lean towards making Jon some sort of protagonist and ends up making the video as a whole seem to forgive these points.
@IsaVarg
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for articulating this so well. Painting JonTron as some sort of poor little victim is in very poor taste and made me so uncomfortable...
@boggleborp227
Жыл бұрын
i agree 100% this video is definitely biased towards the defence of jon
@tibbygaycat
Жыл бұрын
@LordJamek but Jon was literally borderline nazi. Like borderline Hitlerite nazi. That's bad. Unless there's some proof that he no longer believes in a Jewish conspiracy theory I'm gonna say that he shouldn't be forgiven.
@madoodlesam2910
Жыл бұрын
@@LordJamek the difference is jon is still saying those things, while Arin actually grew up.
@below6337
Жыл бұрын
seriously it's so weird
@photog.prince
Жыл бұрын
I think Arin discovered early on that GG was his lifelong dream. Knowing that Jon mostly saw it as a side fun thing to do, Arin's worst nightmare would be if Jon left or did/said something really stupid that would negatively impact the show. Most likely Jon knew Airn progressively saw him as a potential wildcard as the show continued to grow. This would drive a wedge in their friendship. Some final straw happened at E3 and they got into an argument. With the lack of creative control and Jon feeling underappreciated he decided he was finally going to move to New York leaving the game grumps out to dry. Arin was forced to quickly find a new co-host and had Jon sign a NDA so any drama that would come out from the break up would be minimized to keep the GG business from more fan outrage. If Jon had left and was able to say he said he felt that his friend & co-host thought he might one day doom the show because of his behavior and had little say on where the business was going. GG may not have recovered the way it did. I can't blame Arin too much. Jon is undoubtedly impulsive and not brand safe. And I don't think Arin wants a squeaky clean brand just for business security. I think he's grown and changed over the years and that's his true self now. The dynamic between them won't work as well because they are two different people now. Ultimately they both landed on their feet and are still beloved internet creators. I'm still to this day a huge fan of both GG and JonTron.
@Capnsensible80
Жыл бұрын
This is what I was thinking makes the most sense as well. Jon wasn't as serious about it, and being drunk at E3 is a huge red flag. If he says what he said on Destiny's debate stream sober, think what kind of shit he may spew when drunk, and Arin didn't want to sit around waiting for that time bomb to go off and kill his livelihood when it finally did. I don't think anyone can fault Arin for not wanting to be caught in the blast of Jon's shitty takes blowing up in his face. The only part I disagree with is the last bit. Even though I find Jon's content hilarious, it's becoming harder for me to separate the art from the artist, and Jon is quite the vocal bigot. I don't wish ill for anyone, but once I realized how bad Jon's takes were and how ingrained they are and that he is unlikely to ever change, his content became hard to watch since he is the focal point of it all.
@Levitz9
Жыл бұрын
Arin and Danny did awkward stuff early in their partnership like Racist Bassist or Hoshi the Sad Japanese Businessman (Who Is Also A Pedophile). But the important thing is, they stopped. Arin was even open in admitting that even if he lost a swath of viewers who didn't like hom being "PC", he'd rather not have their views. Jontron dug his heels in with his bigotry. He's got good jokes, but beyond that nobody ever has good things to say about him.
@GruppeSechs
Жыл бұрын
12:43 I feel like this is similar to what happened with Super Best Friends. Matt wanted to lean hard into making a "brand," and Pat wanted to hang out and play games together, and it strained the friendship. That's reflected in what they're both doing with their own channels.
@fimmywa
Ай бұрын
Yeah and neither really supported Woolie's interest in returning to the woods and living off the land as a proud native american woodswalker.
@GruppeSechs
Ай бұрын
@@fimmywa Yeah kinda lame
@BoxcarPhill
Ай бұрын
The Super best friends breaking up hit me a lot more than the Grumps did on a personal level. But they were at least straight up about not being friends anymore and its something you could kind of tell during the last year of the channel.
@CrazyAznKT
26 күн бұрын
@@BoxcarPhill legitimately, same. I still have trouble going to any of their new works because I remember their dynamics together as SBFP so fondly
@xShortRangex
26 күн бұрын
SBFP breaking up broke me for a few days.
@RyanKeller95
Жыл бұрын
I think what everyone forgets, is that creators are still real people. They are fallible and make mistakes like everyone else does.
@CruzaComplex
Жыл бұрын
Some mistakes more racist than others.
@RyanKeller95
Жыл бұрын
@@CruzaComplex never said anything about racists
@FuzzBucket69
Жыл бұрын
Yeah no shit they're real people.
@RyanKeller95
Жыл бұрын
@@FuzzBucket69 totally missed my point buddy
@FuzzBucket69
Жыл бұрын
@@RyanKeller95 No I understood I was just being very literal with my dickish comment.
@connyssuer
Жыл бұрын
It’s odd just how much history the channel has. It may have only been 10 years so far but its felt like 20
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for watching! It's nuts how much lore they have, absolutely! There was so much that was cut from this video for the sake of brevity there's that much to talk about!
@bluebell560
Жыл бұрын
With how much if this whole situation is documented, you’d have to spend more time combing through information about the history of Game Grumps than you would for some periods of history.
@Iffondrel
Жыл бұрын
I know, right? GG has gotten me through all of high school AND college by this point. Hell, there was a period where I could only fall asleep if I was listening to them.
@gawreluck
Жыл бұрын
i believe dan is a worthy successor to jon he does such a good job and is funny to boot
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for watching and for your comment! I agree totally that out of anyone it could have been, Danny was a fab choice. He absolutely earned the respect and love of existing fans no doubt
@BlueProphet7
Жыл бұрын
@@itscassette Agreed. Feels like Jon got done dirty, but Danny is a fantastic personality and is worthy of the not so grump crown.
@WatanukiProductions
Жыл бұрын
I'm just sad we'll never get a Dan and Jon episode.
@jmartens759
Жыл бұрын
Dan's good, but he doesn't challenge Arin enough, in my opinion. He's very passive and that comes off as him not having any real opinions when it comes to games.
@BlueProphet7
Жыл бұрын
@@jmartens759 he doesn't need to. It's not a review channel. It's two goofballs talking while playing games. He's a great personality, that's all he needs to be IMO.
@DrgoFx
Жыл бұрын
Something else that I think is important to note is at the time of the falling out, Arin would've been 26 and Jon would've been 23. Age does not directly correlate to maturity or anything, but having a friend with a similar age difference, there's a handful of areas and subjects where we drastically differ in due to our lived experiences. And I feel like that probably had some role to play in the fall out. Arin's push for brand consistency and stability is probably due to his low income background with little promise beyond Animation. Jon had a lot ahead of him to experiment with and venture through. And in a similar perspective, you can kinda feel in those early videos how frustrated Arin gets with Jon. Like Arin would clearly get irritated and annoyed by some of Jon's antics, and it frequently felt like Arin had to be "the straight man" to Jon's "odd ball" persona in their dynamic, which does not lend well to Arin as a performer in my opinion. I think their separation as co-hosts was probably for the best in the bigger picture, despite how poorly Jon's departure went down.
@PinkManGuy
Жыл бұрын
Was Jon really in a much better position? Some of his oldest interactions with the internet include his Yahoo answers where he asks "Is it okay to feel sad all the time" and other depressing questions a small child shouldn't be asking. I can't tell but I think his parents were divorced at some point. Also, not to make poverty a competition, because developing countries destroy me at this, but Arin's stories are from a position of lower middle class. His parents were educated and trained for their jobs. I was raised by a single father with no marketable skills. We had no video game consoles in our house. We ate ketchup on bread for a meal. Processed cheese was considered meat. Field trips, even when heavily subsidized, were missed out on, because we couldn't afford the sometimes *ten dollars* needed to go. Arin has no idea what real (first world at least) poverty is about. The stories he tell sound alien to me at best, and a slightly worse off version of the suburban 2 car middle class that's so quick to claim woe-is-me at worst. For the record I was a fan of Arin for almost a decade prior to knowing who Jontron was, and I've only found him funny for a small period of time. I'm not a fan of him, but I do have some nostalgia for him at this point. I'm just saying this to frame my post and try and dissuade the idea that I'm playing defense for Jon. He's a grown man and if he feels so strongly about his words standing on their own merit, he doesn't need a defense force anyway.
@DrgoFx
Жыл бұрын
@@PinkManGuy The basis for my comment was less of how "Good" one had it over the other, and more to do with the particular mindset either of them may have had at their given milestones in life. Arin was at a point where he probably felt he was running out of options and Game Grumps was an incredibly promising option, and Jon being 23 was probably not at that point in life yet. I know when I was 23, I didn't have thoughts like that but by 26, 27, I absolutely did. It's less about who had a better financial situation or upbringing and more about how much time they felt they had left.
@GruppeSechs
Жыл бұрын
Dude three years is nothing as far as lived experience. That's an insane take.
@DrgoFx
Жыл бұрын
@@GruppeSechs I'm going to have to disagree completely. 3 years is the difference between a child starting 6th grade and a teenage starting 9th grade. It's the difference between teen starting 10th grade and a teen start college. It's the difference between a college freshman and someone legally allowed to drink. A lot happens in 3 years, and while yes that gap of time starts to become less impactful as you get older, a 23 year old and a 26 year old are in very different points of their lives. Especially when one grew up being a famous internet personality and the future of their career is starting to take a toll on them, and the other just recently had their KZitem career take off. From personal experience, I was a drastically different person at 23 than I was at 26. I had different priorities, hobbies, concerns and fears. And at 28 now, I'm a drastically different person from 26. 3 years is a lot of time in your twenties. That's more than 10% of your life. If you don't think that's massive, you're either younger than 25 or you've forgotten how different your life was when you were at Jon's and Erin's ages.
@GruppeSechs
Жыл бұрын
@@DrgoFx The difference for developing children is a completely moot point. Going from 23 to 26 is nothing. Just because your interests change doesn't mean you as a person does. You're kidding yourself if you think that's the case.
@dylanmcintyre0502
Жыл бұрын
Holy shit that miiverse thing was insane, I’ve never heard someone talk about it before
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
It’s mental isn’t it?! It’s just crazy how far they were willing to go to bury any mention! Thanks so much for watching ❤️
@princeblackelf4265
Жыл бұрын
@@itscassette I think it makes a lot of sense *why* they'd have done it, but if they hadn't wanted us to catch on they'd have edited more out, like Arin's mood very noticeably plummeting , people were hyper aware of that kind of stuff and picked up on it right away
@SurfRock74
Жыл бұрын
What happened? I haven't got the time to watch the video right now and was quite curious about that!
@AlenBear
Жыл бұрын
@@SurfRock74 basically they edited and censored a Miiverse message that said "Game grumps acknowledge Jontron" And not only they censored that by making it blank like an empty message although that wasn't possible, but also invented a new drawing also Idk for me that's terrible I don't care if some people defend that
@SurfRock74
Жыл бұрын
@@AlenBear Yeah I feel like there’s no way to defend that, they could have just simply censored it well and it would be implied that it was something else inappropriate, if they really wanted to cover it up. Even then I think it’s just a low integrity move to be so hush-hush about something people are already so aware of, it being there wouldn’t bring any more attention to it than there already was.
@lilhogfella
Жыл бұрын
Great recap but not really a huge fan of how it seems to side with and praise Jon so much. Whenever there are blanks to fill in, Arin is framed as this image-obsessed control freak and the most charitable assumptions are made about Jon. The way you glossed over Jontron's Destiny debate is kind of odd too. You say that what Jon said is "reprehensible" but then suggest Arin flagrantly cuts ties with anyone who doesn't perfectly share his worldview. To be clear, Jontron suggested that black people are genetically predisposed to crime, non-whites are diluting the gene pool, and doubled down on these points at every opportunity. Of course Arin didn't want to deal with him anymore. It's not indicative of a character flaw that they weren't cool after that. Some people aren't going to want to look past their old friend being racist, brand image or not. Arin isn't the best person, but in trying to strengthen your argument that he's "brand obsessed" you unfortunately framed him as this cartoonishly evil villain that Jon vanquished by building a bigger KZitem channel. Again, I was very impressed with the video and hope you don't take what I'm saying to heart too much. I read through some of your comments and understand a lot was cut out for time. The end result still paints a strange picture and left me with mixed feelings.
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Hi and thanks so much for watching and sharing your viewpoint! I hope you’ll allow some rational for the choices I made in the video 😊 You’re absolutely right that this video seems more weighted to Jon as this was the whole point of the overarching narrative (Why Jon left as opposed to why Game Grumps split). The answer will always be more weighted to Jon’s perspective as a result of this narrative. I also didn’t want to make this a drama video and only included the bits I did to illustrate the reasons behind the breakup, Ie Jon’s impulsiveness, arins PR image etc. I hope it’s clear for everyone that I found what Jon and Arin have said is reprehensible. Jon’s not alone for making loaded comments, but they are the most recent and public as a result. Ultimately with this film my end goal was to paint a picture with how the two characters would always end up clashing by design and it’s thanks to Arin that game grumps continued and so well as a result, but Jon’s actions and comments have far reaching consequences that mean he will never return to Grumps as a result of it and to be honest it’s for the best. I absolutely don’t take your comments negatively at all ❤️ it’s so important to me that there is an alternative take on where I’m coming from as that’s how the world works! I’m really glad you did enjoy the video, I will aim to make further progress into being more balanced with future projects and I hope your take away didn’t marr your experience with this too much. I super appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts with me!
@RQrock
Жыл бұрын
@@itscassette Hey, srry about this but im reading the comments without watching the video bc ngl i was curious but can't really watch something long rn, but im curious, has Arin said anything worse than the racial slurs on that old video??? bc i feel there's a big difference between saying racial slurs years ago (which don't get me wrong, it's bad) and Jon saying that black people are genetically predisposed to crime and the gene pool thing besides many more stuff like being annoyed at the black lives matter protests and all of that recently, hope this doesn't feel like an attack or anything, im just curious about if im missing something (fully my fault) or if these 2 things are being put on the same category
@RQrock
Жыл бұрын
@@PieboxAnimations Yeah, like, i feel people are WAY more apologetic to Jon being openly racist than Arin just trying to keep a good image, bc no matter if you think he's being legitimate or not (Which for me it feels legitimate) it's still much better even in the worst case scenario than what Jon is doing
@RQrock
Жыл бұрын
@@PieboxAnimations I feel you, i was really liking his newer stuff, he is putting a lot of effort into the content, but it felt like every upload was after another blunder and it didn't feel right to support that content anymore, he was such a whiny baby about the BLM protests LMFAO
@popvaleska5622
2 ай бұрын
It’s truly wild how Jon can still have a fan base after all he’s done. Arin has messed up, but not to the degree Jon has. Plus, both arin and Danny have been very open about their struggles with mental health issues throughout their life. Arin and Danny genuinely seem so much happier together and compliment each other so much better.
@CouchParty
15 күн бұрын
Most of the ones Jon has now are either people who don't know anything about him personally, cheer him on because of it, or just didn't care. He's lost a good chunk, me included.
@elianwyn
Жыл бұрын
What is it with almost every video on this topic seeming to paint a narrative of Jon as a victim? The dude has a track record of passive-aggressive vague posting on Twitter about a myriad of subjects, the guy genuinely seems incredibly difficult to deal with and it always confuses me why Arin is constantly painted as the sterile, corporate shill while Jon is the authentic good guy. The video otherwise was good but I just don't really get this narrative. There are way too many instances of Jon showing his bad side in public, even outside of what was mentioned in this video, to list them all but I followed GG for a while and honestly after all was said and done, the impression I got was that Arin was a victim of a drama queen who acted and spoke constantly on instinct and had naturally negative views about a lot of things. I seriously don't get why I never see it brought up how much he passive-aggressively uses platforms like Twitter and Reddit to take jabs at people on GG at every turn whereas GG has only ever said positive things, barring the response to his neo-nazi spiel.
@Jepze158
Жыл бұрын
But would you say Jon is a bad person?
@truelocomax2804
Жыл бұрын
@@Jepze158 ye
@mistermoo7602
Жыл бұрын
I remember as a kid when he still had his "Overrated Games" list thinking "Wow, he words this like his opinion is law and it doesn't feel joke-y like his other stuff. That's unexpectedly crappy." Took a long time for me to really accept he was just going to become kind of a fascist dick, but deep down the signs were there from the start. :/
@Marg0Pol0
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree. I really don't like that this is being framed as "oh, Aaron was just being a stick in the mud and overly PC" when Jon was saying the N word, made white supremacist statements, and pulled around with white supremacists (some being full nazis now). Like I understand what it's like working with another and being burdened with creative differences. However Jon is responsible for his own problems after the make up, and I'm sure the issues before are equally the fault of each other.
@Jepze158
Жыл бұрын
@@truelocomax2804 Really? It is not like he advocated to kill any minorities.
@connorbeith3232
Жыл бұрын
Watching that deleted Steam Train promo was surreal, it's like looking into an alternate timeline.
@NearlyHeadlessNish
Жыл бұрын
i think it’s a bit dishonest to not go into exactly what jontron was saying. he wasn’t just being “dirty” and “brand inappropriate,” and he wasn’t just disagreeing with arin politically. he was spewing some seriously alt right and racist shit. it’s completely understandable to want to distance yourself from someone with such hateful views and i think framing arin like a sellout is really unfair.
@oceanhell2
Жыл бұрын
RIP TotalBiscuit. I got real sad seeing him again. :(
@Neiroe
Жыл бұрын
Same. RIP
@notpac-tgm8382
Жыл бұрын
It's so crazy how this was made from someone under 1000 subs, like dude this is beyond professional stuff you're so underrated and can't wait to see more
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Wow! What a lovely thing to say ❤️ a lot of work went into this so I’m really glad it shows in the finished product! I’ve got plenty more to come! Next project is in the works and I hope you’ll love it! Thanks again for such kind words, they mean more to me than I could possibly communicate
@Sphyell
Жыл бұрын
are you saying bigger number = better person
@notpac-tgm8382
Жыл бұрын
@@Sphyell not really, I just thought he had more subs with how good the quality is. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up with 100k subs, this stuff is really good
@overkill1994
Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@juand1rection
Жыл бұрын
I know that the target demographic for this video made fun of teenage girls for getting hung up on Zayn leaving one direction
@ladscrimpton8590
Жыл бұрын
This is the most reasonable and simplest explanation. Very well done video. I'm sure there are details that we will never know (like the specifics of their fights/arguments, etc), but it really does just seem like it was about a power struggle concerning the future of the grumps. Jon always wanted it as a chill side project, whereas Arin wanted to turn it into an empire. I'm sure there are some juicy details in there that are still unknown, but that appears to be what it was in a nutshell.
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the lovely words on this! Yeah absolutely. All the sources point to this as the reasoning behind the split and when it came time for GG’s statement on it they really weren’t lying when they said Jon left to work on JonTron, it’s just purposely ambiguous by design. You’re probably right in terms of juicy details, but the crux of the matter is very much a fallout and a robbing of control. Again thanks so much man. Your comment made my day ❤️
@revenant497
Жыл бұрын
facts, as much as it felt odd too see jon go, it doesn't feel right to imagine a timeline where jon stayed. I think it would have become toxic overtime because of some of the similarities in their personalities. Dan and Arin balance each other out and bring different skills and ideas to the channel that have become iconic. They've turned it and themselves into professionals in a business that feels chill to them rather than being exclusively one or the other (the original conflict between Jon and Arin). idk
@ChiisaiTenshii
Жыл бұрын
Very well made video, though I find the tone towards Arin a little biased against him. Like the implication that Arin pursued GG over animation solely because it was "easier". This is definitely somewhat true, but it understates how difficult animation is, and how hard it is to be profitable from despite this effort- I can also vouch from personal experience mental health also kills motivation and creativity, which is something Arin's mentioned struggling a lot with. I can't blame him for not wanting to rely primarily on it. I'm sure there's definitely a decent aspect on making money, but it also feels like Arin and Danny genuinely have fun and enjoy what they do. It also feels weird to paint Arin's distancing to Jontron solely as "PR" or "squeaky clean brand image" when Jon was saying pretty blatantly harmful racist stuff. It feels understandable any creator would want to distance themselves from that, and I find it surprising this is so lightly emphasized. It also feels weird to compare views of videos to say Grumps is far less successful than Jon when you're comparing Jon's rare uploads that naturally draw more attention just based on sparsity to GG's extremely frequent uploads, which is bound to have more spread views. I did like how organized the video was, it flowed well, and came to a logical conclusion. The biased tone and injection of opinionated and circumstantial topics just feels very derailing at times.
@FavsFTW121
Жыл бұрын
This definitely sounds like "i like jontron ill make a video to paint Arin as a villain." Theres a lot of "we don't really know what happened but I'm gonna take jons side"
@namegoeshere8998
Жыл бұрын
This was such a frustrating video to watch. He just repeats his conclusion about Arin's "image obsession" , but being obsessed with brand image is pretty far from how I'd describe Arin. Lol like this is the guy who shit himself on Game Grumps once and candidly admitted it. I somehow doubt he's secretly this ego maniac who will preserve his brand at all costs. I'm all for speculating, but I don't like the way this was presented at all.
@c0smic_ca5h
8 ай бұрын
Translation: “nitpicking and biased I win bye bye.”
@Coffee-Cath
8 ай бұрын
@@c0smic_ca5hyou can’t just throw around that quote to destroy any and all criticism of criticism that was the whole point that quote was trying to make
@lukebytes5366
8 ай бұрын
@@Coffee-Cath It's not inaccurate though, this comment is pointing out a bias with no deeper understanding of it.
@michaelbailey9212
7 ай бұрын
@@namegoeshere8998"I somehow doubt he's this secret ego maniac" He literally named himself Egoraptor, lol.
@bruhbruh7272
Жыл бұрын
47:30 REALLY weird to paint it like Arin was some thought police or dictator when Jon was, at the time, spouting some really harmful rhetoric with a pretty wide platform. While Arin had said pretty messed up things in the past to compare a NG animation from a decade prior to a political Livestream where Jon went entirely mask off is super bad faith.
@eliholli
Жыл бұрын
I watched the whole video, but I don't understand why the creator of this content takes issue with Arin wanting to distance himself from Jon after Jon said some f*cked up stuff in that interview clip you showed? Like why frame it as Arin caring about image and his "brand" over just learning that his friend has some pretty questionable and alienating beliefs that he didn't agree with? You repeatedly framed it as Arin choosing business over his friends, but dude, if I learned my friend was racist, I wouldn't want to continue being friends with him either. Racism isn't a wedge issue. Damn.
@stevenmike1878
Жыл бұрын
both jon and arin seem to be explosive personalities which are fun to watch but not good for a long term career. dan really is a good balance to arins explosive personality they just compliment each other so well while also sharing a lot of interests.
@SonneLittle
Жыл бұрын
I feel like you take Jon's side a lot. There's nothing wrong with Arin protecting the brand, if anything thanks to that he mature a lot, he used to say racist shit and now he's far more respectful and knowledgeable in social issues. Is not like Jon was this free creative man who was chained to a controlling boss, they are both creative in his own ways. I really enjoyed your video, but the way you portraid Jon as a victim was not it, even if at the end you said no one is the villain I saw many parts were you did side with Jon and put Arin's actions as negative. Aside from that, kudos for the video! very informative, well narrated, interesting to watch and I do appreciate the subtitles!
@dashfire109gaming5
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree. It did feel like that sometimes
@elianwyn
Жыл бұрын
Honestly if you look at this entire situation from a different perspective, the only conclusion I can come to is that Jon is really intolerable to try to share any kind of show or company with. He has a litany of passive-aggressive tweets both about Game Grumps and about other subjects and seems to enjoy taking jabs whenever possible despite the fact that Arin chose to go on his show and bury the hatchet. It was downright bizarre to me when the Dan controversy happened that Jon immediately jumped on the bandwagon to vaguepost about it despite the fact that Dan had never been anything but positive towards Jon publicly. It reeks of pettiness that I've never seen from the other side.
@lyricaljesus4078
Жыл бұрын
@@elianwyn What do you mean? Jon posted positive things about Danny when he took over the show. I recall his tweets because I agreed with them, something along the lines of "I love Dan, I would stroke his beautiful hair."
@Nick-me5fb
Ай бұрын
Cassette: "Arin's sense of humor is more refined" Arin: "Do you think Sonic shits?"
@BigDave41UK
Жыл бұрын
The sheer amount of incredible music that came out of such a short period of time in the Jon era still blows my mind. There was plenty after too but few really captured the energy of the Jon era. I still listen to playlists occasionally
@whitedude416
Жыл бұрын
most people occasionally listen to albums that are decades old
@bplatinumpaladin
Жыл бұрын
Seeing Ross and Holly in the same video (the StarCade reunion) made me go "eugh..." Brings back bad memories of watching that drama unfold.
@KotoCrash
Жыл бұрын
The smile on his face, he has no idea what she's about to do lol
@xaldynnemo47
Жыл бұрын
@@KotoCrash She didn't do shit, it was Heidi who was getting ready to drag everyone down into the shitshow.
@KotoCrash
Жыл бұрын
@@xaldynnemo47 It was both dude.
@xaldynnemo47
Жыл бұрын
@@KotoCrash This was yeeeaars ago, so maybe I just forgot, but what exactly did Heidi do wrong? She and Ross broke up (pretty amicably iirc), and she decided to see other people. She didn't actually instigate anything, did she?
@babulbi
Жыл бұрын
@@KotoCrash Ross ended his relationship with Holly amicably, and there's more than enough circumstantial evidence to say they were together for his Green Card anyways. Heidi had no part in that other than bringing drama to everyone involved.
@cannibalskitchen8421
Жыл бұрын
Perhaps at the time Arin and Jon had their falling out, Arin might have been the unreasonable one. However, I find the framing of Arin cutting Jon off after they had seemingly finally made amends very concerning. Jon's comments on that stream were very explicitly racist. It was not unreasonable for Arin to cut him off after that. Following it up with a lot of conjecture about the type of person Arin is/was just left a really bad taste in my mouth. It felt like an excusal of Jon's actions and an attempt to add authority to the story of how things broke down that just doesn't seem to exist.
@urgayurgayurgay5036
Жыл бұрын
bro is explaining the whole long winded story about “What happened??? Nobody knows???” and then casualty slips in that Jon is horrifically racist 😂😂😂
@IlonyCooper
Жыл бұрын
Right? So much talk about Arin being “obsessed” with “the brand” and no credit given to actually growing? I’ll admit I haven’t dug deep into things Arin has said in the past, but it seems to have been mostly jokes, gross as that could be, but The Grumps seem to really be trying to make a healthy community that welcomes all. And so maybe your cohost getting drunk, too hungover to do press, had been wanting to leave for a while, and abruptly moving across the country and refusing to help ease the split would lead to some frustration that he wasn’t as invested in keeping a relationship alive. I frankly find the radio silence appropriate given the circumstances, and random snarky comments in forums and on Twitter unkind. Hell yeah he’s worried about “The Brand” he has employees! Idk, well made production, but definitely weighed too far in Jon’s favor.
@ShurikenRain3
Жыл бұрын
And then also criticizes Arin for the rest of the video about him being too "PR focused" corroborating this idea with comments from fucking oney and spazkid.
@joshuanavarrete4357
Жыл бұрын
Dude thank you, I really got the feeling that this vid was too heavily bashing Arin when I really don’t think he did much wrong, Jon is trash where Arin WAS trash and is trying to grow and change as a person for the better. Did not like the vid having a long unneeded table flip portion or the end credits song being something known racist Jon sang
@callumblakeney7935
Жыл бұрын
Urgay
@ClownHoundII
Жыл бұрын
I find it really strange that people call Arin a hypocrite about making fun of artists because as a young teenager he made fun of artists. Arin did take it a too hard and could have worded it a lot kinder but he can still say bullying is bad even if he bullied in the past. People change, even people that mock other groups in the light hearted of ways. And I think it's less of "Arin trying to be squeaky clean, my way or the high way" and more of "Game Grumps wants to be an accepting community and not welcome racists."
@lyricaljesus4078
Жыл бұрын
Dude was in his 20s during the Newgrounds days, he was not a young teenager.
@MrBowl-dl4mk
Ай бұрын
Arin Hanson's company almost bullied a gay man to suicide after having a dissenting opinion about a mediocre pandering gay visual novel. Enjoy your bland rainbow washed slop.
@BlaiseArath
Жыл бұрын
If I had to make my guess before the reveal at the end, I'd of said Arin wanted to turn GameGrumps into a business, bring in more creators, it was a very good source of income and a dream come true for most people... while Jon wanted it to just stay a side thing they did for fun and not become a second job, perhaps leaving himself room to work on JonTron videos as well. But the conclusion in the video makes a lot of sense too, maybe a little of both.
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for watching! I love your take on this story too, that's the best thing about it - it being so open to interpretation
@HaloGT1
Жыл бұрын
In the end, I think GG would've died not long later if Jon had stayed. Watching old videos, there is a different feel with Jon that isn't really captured as it is with Danny. It feels a lot more relaxed, even in the real early episodes. I'm just curious, if Dan was really an "emergency replacement" like is said in the video, then is it possible that it would've cycled a little till they found the right fit. Is there an alternate universe where Ross or Barry is the replacement for Jon instead?
@lopnezk1320
Ай бұрын
I feel game grumps would have had a better success with just Jon and Arin doing their stuff. It was just simple and good. Although it seems like based on this video that it was not meant to be. Watching old videos with Jon and Arin is so damn relaxing to me. But maybe they feel more special because Jon left
@tracyblanchard7663
Ай бұрын
Based on the new show announcement with Jon shown and the one-a-day period, my bet's that Dan was less a last minute swap and more of a 'Let's test out the new people with Arin to see what sticks while we have a week to record.'
@rebellium9852
24 күн бұрын
if jon stayed he probably wouldve been kicked off anyways after the destiny debate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@ShiggitySean
Жыл бұрын
That opening was so dramatic i love it. I think my favorite style of youtube videos are longer investigative, documentary, or deep dive kind of stuff and i gotta say man this is like equal in quality to some of the bigger channels that i love. This was really good. You deserve a lot more subscribers.
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Effects wise the intro was one of my favourite pieces to date! :D Thanks so much for your kind words, it means the world to me
@Lolzzies
Жыл бұрын
i dont get the narrative some fans have that arin is a bad friend because he didn't want to associate with people who "have different opinions" for his brand... if my best friend suddenly started to talk and believe about white replacement conspiracies, it would suck, but I would cut them out of my life. It's not an "opinion" when it's a proven lie that someone continues to pedal as real. From my pov (and it's just my pov!!), Arin gave Jon WAY more grace than Jon ever gave him. Jon purposely would aggravate the GG fans as though Arin betrayed him, despite being the one who chose to leave, was given a buyout, and continued to be successful. I really believe the controversy helped Jon continue to succeed on youtube quickly, and he knew that, so he kept it going instead of ending it by just telling the truth and moving on. It's wild to me that Jon never got much flack for implying a conspiracy when it was proven there was none. 🤷♀ ANYWAY, im interested in seeing what other videos you make! Love a long form video essay, keep it up!
@PatNatOfficial
8 ай бұрын
NormalBoots members have very consistently claimed that Jon was already leaving the group for inactivity well before his controversy. Jon has also reiterated this at least twice, so I feel it's inaccurate to say otherwise.
@cammyboig
Жыл бұрын
For a video that wants to tell an unbiased view of this story it seems like you go out of your way to favor jon and denounce arin quite often. By far the best example is you spending less than a minute discussing jon's genuine racist comments that he never apologized for, then going on to spend several minutes chastising arin for defending his friends and discussing his past with bullying to maintain his "squeaky clean image" and "PR obsession." (For the record I think current game grumps is pretty bad and liked jon grumps much more but this just rubbed me the wrong way)
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks so much for your comment and for your feedback on the video, Truly it means more to me than you can know. I hope you'll accept a little bit of backstory as to why I worded things the way I did and why some factors were given a bit of a lighter touch than others! :) First of, I'm really sorry this video left you with a sour taste in your mouth! My intention was to try to offer a neutral offering with a perspective from Jon as to why he left without falling into another drama video discussing Jon's absolutely with no other way around it, appalling remarks on the Destiny stream. I do understand that on the surface it looks like I'm saying Arin is a one dimensional bad guy but I want it to be absolutely clear I firmly believe both Arin and Jon have made right calls in their outcomes from the split as well as their own issues. Arin's PR focus was a factor that ultimately pushed Jon away (Hence why JON left game grumps, as opposed to Why the Game Grumps split up). Naturally this video would always have an angle on Jon's view on being ostracised from something he founded which naturally is going to make anyone sour. Jon felt like he had no other choice in the matter and this is why he committed to a cross country move. Arin's PR focus also is the exact (maybe in some cases sole) reason that Game Grumps continued past that point. He turned it from a podcast into an empire that attracted huge name recognition throughout YT, And that's to be totally commended This video was originally a LOT longer with more in depth segments but I chose to cut back purely out of the reason of building a profile of why jon left (Fitting the video title) without extra content that's already been summarised. Talking about Jon's comments on the livestream links directly to a friendship reforming being dashed between them which is crucial in the grand scheme of things as it explains how Arin sees how himself and GG is viewed as paramount and it also indicates why Jon will never come back after we saw the two together again, which also indicates a repeat almost of why the two fell out to begin with Again I hope you can understand my reasons behind this, and I hope with a little bit of clarification on the matter from my perspective it's a bit easier for you to understand why things were worded the way they were -- and even though this rubbed you the wrong way I do want to seriously thank you for giving it a go regardless, This video has been a LOT of hard work with writing, research, development, There were 18 different versions of this video alone that got cut! Again thank you for leaving your thoughts, I'll aim to make future points not just that much more impartial but also clearer why I angle things the way I do
@cammyboig
Жыл бұрын
@@itscassette I appreciate the thoughtful and genuine reply, you just earned yourself a subscription 👍
@TheSquishyOne
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I miss the Jon era and hoped for more but times change and people move on. I’m grateful for all they have done.
@necrocorey6408
Жыл бұрын
Controversy shit aside, I stopped watching after the 'Jon Era'. I just don't like Dan and arins humor when they're together. Which is hilarious because I honestly might consider watching it again if they got rid of arin. I never really liked his sense of humor. I think Dan is great.
@TheSquishyOne
Жыл бұрын
@@necrocorey6408 I can taste the irony in that statement haha.
@internetdingus
Жыл бұрын
@necrocorey6408 Same here, when I watch game videos I don't want to think "Wow this guy is a hypocrite", I want to think " Haha funny"
@baloneypony966
Жыл бұрын
I’m not buying that Arin was a power hungry asshole and that being the main reason for the breakup. Maybe Arin got tired of Jon constantly saying racist shit
@dennigalla
Жыл бұрын
Back when the split happened I made some snap judgments about the situation, being only about 16 years old at the time. Now that so many years have passed I can see both perspectives on the situation for sure. I only wish there had been a little more openness, but first and foremost I'm glad we got that year of content as I still go back to visit it regularly. Great video.
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Oh absolutely, it’s very much a product of who they are which was always going to cause a blow up. I think we all wish they’d be forthcoming but I think that alone is down to who they are for sure. Thanks so much for your kind words man it means the world to me ❤️
@dennigalla
Жыл бұрын
@@itscassette You're welcome, man. Looking forward to seeing more of your stuff.
@punchtothegut
Жыл бұрын
I swear, seeing the starcade footage of jon and arin reuniting brought legit tears to my eyes. it was such a good episode
@transvixen
Жыл бұрын
"Arin made it clear that if you don't follow his current beliefs then you don't deserve to be in his life" ...yes? that's how growing and boundaries work???
@hexicore789
Жыл бұрын
This really didnt need to be an hour long.
@sleepybosslamb
Жыл бұрын
yeah i bet you dont last an hour
@HexiCore
Жыл бұрын
@@sleepybosslamb yeah my adhd snaps me out pretty fast, ya live with it
@sleepybosslamb
Жыл бұрын
@@HexiCore skill issue
@HexiCore
Жыл бұрын
@@sleepybosslamb age
@itscassette
2 ай бұрын
Hi! I’m sure it could be cut down for brevity’s sake (and trust me a lot did get cut!) but the stuff I did keep in my opinion allows you to get the biggest understanding of the dynamics at play leading up to the separation as with everything together it shows how it was only going to go one way for them because of their opposing forces in perspective in life! I am super grateful you did watch it though and I appreciate your feedback so much ❤️
@headglitch7003
Жыл бұрын
For the love of god buy a pop filter.
@ojisankusai
Жыл бұрын
So, wait..This was an hour long video literally stating that Jon left Game Grumps "due to to creative differences" - The same answer they've been giving the entire time. It may be that even without whatever happened during that E3 not happening, Jon would still have left the show _at some point_ due to his mouth moving faster than his brain, which would have ultimately gotten Arin's entire career fucked. At least this way they're fairly amicable about it, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that even after Jon puts a bunch of racist shit on over the loudspeaker that Arin and the rest of "the Grumps" would still have him around - they would have reacted in the exact same way Normal Boots would have.
@GiggaGMikeE
Ай бұрын
"Mouth moving faster than his brain" Not to call you out, but it's really wierd how many different ways people have tried to smooth over the literal "Black people are subhumans prone to crime" comments Jon made into him just being "prone to slips of the tongue" or "saying really dumb stuff that leads to backlash". Maybe it's just a perspective thing, I don't know.
@Binkyouka
Жыл бұрын
As a fan of both Game Grumps and JonTron: I think you leaned a bit too much into making out Jon as the proverbial "hero" of your video, and Arin as a "villain" in your conclusion. Protecting the brand is not necessarily a bad thing, and with how different the Internet became over the past 10 years, I think you're a bit biased towards portraying Jon as this starving artist who escaped the clutches of a megalomaniac, whereas I never got that impression: at least not from the facts as represented in the video. Your choice of words and some of the information you represented also seem to go in favour of JonTron from a more personal standpoint. That's pretty much my only pet peeve about your essay. All that being said, this, it was a fantastic video to watch! Comprehensive and to the point, I've seen a lot of gossip around this situation but never a solid, coherent timeline or a non-clickbaity take on it. You have my sub, and I hope it doesn't take you another year for another upload! (but if it does, I'll be patiently waiting because I know it will be worth it)
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks so much for your comment and for your feedback on the video, Truly it means more to me than you can know. I hope you'll accept a little bit of backstory as to why I worded things the way I did and why some factors were given a bit of a lighter touch than others! :) My intention was to try to offer a neutral offering with a perspective from Jon as to why he left without falling into another drama video discussing Jon's absolutely with no other way around it, appalling remarks on the Destiny stream. I do understand that on the surface it looks like I'm saying Arin is a one dimensional bad guy but I want it to be absolutely clear I firmly believe both Arin and Jon have made right calls in their outcomes from the split as well as their own issues. Arin's PR focus was a factor that ultimately pushed Jon away (Hence why JON left game grumps, as opposed to Why the Game Grumps split up). Naturally this video would always have an angle on Jon's view on being ostracised from something he founded which naturally is going to make anyone sour. Jon felt like he had no other choice in the matter and this is why he committed to a cross country move. Arin's PR focus also is the exact (maybe in some cases sole) reason that Game Grumps continued past that point. He turned it from a podcast into an empire that attracted huge name recognition throughout YT, And that's to be totally commended This video was originally a LOT longer with more in depth segments but I chose to cut back purely out of the reason of building a profile of why jon left (Fitting the video title) without extra content that's already been summarised. Talking about Jon's comments on the livestream links directly to a friendship reforming being dashed between them which is crucial in the grand scheme of things as it explains how Arin sees how himself and GG is viewed as paramount and it also indicates why Jon will never come back after we saw the two together again, which also indicates a repeat almost of why the two fell out to begin with Again I hope you can understand my reasons behind this, and I hope with a little bit of clarification on the matter from my perspective it's a bit easier for you to understand why things were worded the way they were -- and even though this rubbed you the wrong way I do want to seriously thank you for giving it a go regardless, This video has been a LOT of hard work with writing, research, development, There were 18 different versions of this video alone that got cut! Again thank you for leaving your thoughts, I'll aim to make future points not just that much more impartial but also clearer why I angle things the way I do
@Binkyouka
Жыл бұрын
@@itscassette Oh hey! So nice of you to reply, thank you so much! And thank you for your words, though I feel bad that you figured it was necessary to reply to this, I understand why you did, and the clarification is very much appreciated. With it, I understand how I might've gotten the wrong impression out of something as simple as word choice. All this being said, I just want to once again reiterate how much I enjoyed it - I cannot even imagine the amount of work that went into creating a coherent timeline of the events around the two and their ambitions (not to mention all the drama), and in spite of my original comment, I do recognize that you tried you best to be fair and impartial during all of it, and I think the vast majority of your viewers and commenters did, too. Thank you so much for replying, and your words! I can't wait to see more of your content, and keep up the fantastic work
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
@@Binkyouka I appreciate that so much!! Nothing but love ❤️
@jaxjax100yarddash9
29 күн бұрын
i dont see anyone mentioning this, but arin isnt the bad guy. maybe im misreading the tone used when talking about him specifically but i heard more hostility towards him than not. the short and simple is: arin wanted more business from GG and jon wanted it for fun, arin acting as a "boss" isnt necessarily a bad thing or something to be looked down upon. this was also very early on in grumps so their behavior and responses to certain situations are going to be different than a response to something today. jon and arin are two separate ppl who made one really awesome thing ! their anniversary was celebrating what game grumps has become rather than what it was in the beginning. cheers to all members of GG old and new 🍻
@directorscarlett1932
2 ай бұрын
This video seems to be painting Arin as some horrible antagonist and has a lot of speculative information. GameGrumps is a business and needs to be treated as one, by both the fans and creators. Sure it started as just Jon and Arin hanging out, but it became a source of income with employees whose livelihood depended on the channel bringing in a consistent paycheck. To say that Arin was obsessive about brand image is a very narrow-minded take. As a business owner, Arin has a responsibility to look after his company and employees, because if he doesn't, then they're all unemployed and won't have time to continue the channel(s). He's a responsible business owner, not some over-controlling villain. Why didn't The Grumps acknowledge Jon? Because he went his own way and was no longer part of the channel. While I do agree that pretending he didn't exist was probably the wrong move, but if they did talk about him, then the comments would just be hating on Danny and/or comparing him to Jon. That wouldn't be fair to him. Jon and Arin both knew that Game Grumps wasn't going to last forever and that Jon wanted to run his own show. Danny was also aware of this and agreed to take over as Not So Grump. The video is well-edited and the script is good, but I honestly think that the messaging behind it isn't accurate.
@itscassette
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and for your feedback! I totally agree with you and in hindight a lot of things could have been worded better! I think this video was always going to seem more Jon focussed because, well, it's about why Jon left the Game Grumps! Not the other way around! Whilst I did mention in the video I am happy for both of them to be enjoying themselves and doing better without each other it is a point I could have hit home harder and I apologise for that! Thanks so much for your feedback though it really really helps me out and stuff like this I've already taken into my next videos! Appreciate you so much
@balohna
Жыл бұрын
It's pretty ridiculous that you're painting Arin as a bad guy for cutting ties with Jon over his racist remarks. It was 100% valid. I was fully team JonTron up to that point, had stopped watching GG and followed his solo videos closely. That was the moment that made me unsubscribe and I haven't seen a single one of his videos since. There are dozens of creators making entertaining gaming content that aren't bigots. Also no mention of Jon saying things so severe during certain episodes that they just completely cut the footage out? I've felt maybe he'd shown his bigoted side to Arin in the past (maybe in those moments, maybe not) and it made it easier to make a clean break when creative differences arose. All in all, I was interested in this topic but the video feels like slanted tabloid TV nonsense.
@onile_hhuu719
Жыл бұрын
What about the Dingdong and julian drama? Are you still on Arin's side after all the evil things he did?
@balohna
Жыл бұрын
@@onile_hhuu719 I don’t know about that stuff. I hardly follow Arin anymore. Maybe Arin and Jon both suck.
@JuanTheBone
Жыл бұрын
"Arin would always take the side of the brand over his friendship" that's a weird way to phrase it, maybe Arin doesn't want to be friends with people who think Mexicans are "dialuting" the American gene pool?
@natsky8010
Жыл бұрын
I find it so bizarre to say "Arin's clean image and brand persona would make him and Jon unable to work together" and not, say, "Jon's blatant and unapologetic racism made it impossible for him and Arin to work together." This is 100% a moment of "show me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are", and Arin cutting ties with a racist is absolutely the right move for him.
@AntiVentus
Жыл бұрын
Everyone is praising this video but not a single one brings this up. Who knows what kind of shit he said behind the scenes and arim made the choice to cut that out early.
@Jepze158
Жыл бұрын
So how do you guys explain Jon still being successful despite everything?
@natsky8010
Жыл бұрын
@@Jepze158 A. Many people are also very racist. B. Many people don't know/care, don't look into things beyond consuming the content so they don't see the views. C. The same way many other racist and antisemitic people are still very liked and successful ie there is no actual thing such as "canceling someone".
@johngleue
Жыл бұрын
It makes sense that Arin is concerned with the brand and puts it first because the brand and Arin are one in the same. Arin sticks to his values and doesn't compromise, and the brand reflects that. That's a good thing. It means you're in control of your own life and doing the opposite of selling out. So, what's good for the brand is good for Arin and vice-versa.
@DrFouFou
Жыл бұрын
The game grumps generally try to stay out of controversy, and it makes sense because they aren’t KZitemrs, they are a company. Any controversies they’ve had came from the past, blank accusations, and the occasional Arin making a fuckup on Twitter. Any controversies are either pushed aside or quickly diffused.
@CherrieBoard
Жыл бұрын
ik this makes sense now, but at the time hearing egoraptor was switching fulltime to lets plays was unthinkable. People still rag on him for that tweet that he made where he said "if i ever become a lets play-er, just kill me" or something along those lines, and it was right around when sequelitis was gaining a lot of traction. He got a lot of flak when this went down because people believed that Arin became "Arin from GG" and not "Egoraptor"
@MrBuch169169
Жыл бұрын
I can see the temptation to to paint Arin as a corporate overseer or 'angry over-controlling boss' more concerned with 'reputation' than the spirit of the show. His conspicuous silence on Jon's departure, censoring the Miiverse comment, and repeated advertising on the show and launching of endless side-projects -- all of that has never sat well with me. But I'll always remember the birth of the term 'lovelies' on the Sonic 06 episodes. In this video you atribute this to both Jon and Arin, which is not accurate. I had been a fan since Goof Troop, and I remember how deeply unpleasant I felt when Jon repeatedly suggested referring to the Game Grumps viewers as 'cum faggots'. Lovelies was the alternative Arin insisted on. I'm queer - and at the time I was young and severely depressed - I was extremely grateful for Arin putting his foot down there. In the same playthrough Jon started yelling (presumably) the N word, and it ended up being censored with elephant trumpeting. I find it noteworthy how little Jon's racist outburst/s was/were covered in this video, compared to, say, the lengthy segment on Table Flip. There's a world of difference between 'overly concerned with brand image' and 'not wanting repeated slurs on his show'.
@namegoeshere8998
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I was gonna say it's really not hard for me to guess why Arin might have wanted to stop working with Jon. That's the shit he was saying ON THE SHOW. What was he saying to Arin in private outside of it?
@kristalgic1534
25 күн бұрын
They just had different priorities. It doesn't make Jon a bad person for wanting his freedom and it doesn't make Arin a bad person for caring about his show and his business.
@MeiKLier
Жыл бұрын
I find myself very old for the fact that I was on day one of Game Grumps, because I followed Egoraptor before it and I've seen the ups and downs of the show for a decade.... and the fact that a couple of friends of mine love Game Grumps and when I mentioned JonTron they were in shock yelling "JONTRON WAS A GAME GRUMP???" Oh, the age, it's hitting me hard XD
@miss_editor
Жыл бұрын
This was really well put together, but it really feels so heavily skewed towards Jon, which given the parasociality of online content makes some sense, you are going to end up on one side or the other I guess. But, from following a number of Let's Play channels with more than one host from back in the day, I would say you are missing a big element in this with how you frame it. For Jon, Jontron was his principle outlet. For Arin, Grumps was the principal. Arin didn't just stop making animations because Grumps was easier, the ad/algorithm changes on KZitem were already starting to push out the animators who has become very popular with long to produce short form content and was pushing serial long form content like Let's Plays at the time. So yeah, Jon also had some safety in his long form/medium to produce content, whereas Arin had to make Grumps work. Because at the end of the day, you have to eat, you have to pay rent, etc. We all used to laugh at being able to make a living playing video games, but honestly putting in the amount of hours needed to make this kind of content and following trends and arranging your life around this kind of stuff is work. And with almost every Let's Play channel, if you are just recording LPs all day, you are going to want to try to expand out of that. You may have filmmaking aspirations like Markiplier, you may want to be more like a host figure, or you may just need something to break up the monotony. So while you can just say Arin was only in it for the money and brand, you can also say this is someone who used to be an animator (a hard but very creative form), who is now doing something different and easier, but still wants to feel like he is progressing his career in some way. Also there is a fair amount of handwaving Arin's relative progessive stances as just some sort of secure branding. While I do think it does have that effect, I think Arin was also just generally a bit less edgy and a bit more progressive then some of his contemporaries that came out of the NG era. And while Jon didn't go fully off the deep end after his initial weird racist tirade on that podcast (koodos to him on good brand management too), he does seem to be an edgier and less progressive person. I'm not here to pass judgement on that persay, outside of those comments being despicable, but just because Jon says some absolutely wack and impulsive things doesn't mean that Arin considering what he says and does makes him a bad person. Anyways, great work on the construction and styling, very nice work.
@ddlc_monika
Жыл бұрын
The one thing not brought up in this video which should have, especially with including that other dude taking Jon's remarks personal because he's the son of immigrants, is that Jon is also the son of immigrants. Found it kinda odd not to mention that when it fits and makes some context a bit clearer - Jon is DEFINITELY more nuanced than KKK-type hillbillies on these issues, think of his statements what you will.
@jezzuh9120
Жыл бұрын
You really brushed past Jon's racism pretty quickly to end it with "well he's making great content now"
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks so much for your comment and for your feedback on the video, Truly it means more to me than you can know. I hope you'll accept a little bit of backstory as to why I worded things the way I did and why some factors were given a bit of a lighter touch than others! :) My intention was to try to offer a neutral offering with a perspective from Jon as to why he left without falling into another drama video discussing Jon's absolutely with no other way around it, appalling remarks on the Destiny stream. I do understand that on the surface it looks like I'm saying Arin is a one dimensional bad guy but I want it to be absolutely clear I firmly believe both Arin and Jon have made right calls in their outcomes from the split as well as their own issues. Arin's PR focus was a factor that ultimately pushed Jon away (Hence why JON left game grumps, as opposed to Why the Game Grumps split up). Naturally this video would always have an angle on Jon's view on being ostracised from something he founded which naturally is going to make anyone sour. Jon felt like he had no other choice in the matter and this is why he committed to a cross country move. Arin's PR focus also is the exact (maybe in some cases sole) reason that Game Grumps continued past that point. He turned it from a podcast into an empire that attracted huge name recognition throughout YT, And that's to be totally commended This video was originally a LOT longer with more in depth segments but I chose to cut back purely out of the reason of building a profile of why jon left (Fitting the video title) without extra content that's already been summarised. Talking about Jon's comments on the livestream links directly to a friendship reforming being dashed between them which is crucial in the grand scheme of things as it explains how Arin sees how himself and GG is viewed as paramount and it also indicates why Jon will never come back after we saw the two together again, which also indicates a repeat almost of why the two fell out to begin with Again I hope you can understand my reasons behind this, and I hope with a little bit of clarification on the matter from my perspective it's a bit easier for you to understand why things were worded the way they were -- and even though this rubbed you the wrong way I do want to seriously thank you for giving it a go regardless, This video has been a LOT of hard work with writing, research, development, There were 18 different versions of this video alone that got cut! Again thank you for leaving your thoughts, I'll aim to make future points not just that much more impartial but also clearer why I angle things the way I do
@perrovazquezrascon
Жыл бұрын
"I don't necessarily blame Arin or Jon for what they did". LOL you just made one of the most biased videos I've seen about this topic. And it is extremely clear that you are taking a side. It's weird how much praise you're getting for this video.
@ixota
Жыл бұрын
THIS IS YOUR FIRST VIDEO!!? mate i’m a new enough game grumps fan and didn’t even think i’d have much of an interest in this but you COMPLETELY hooked me??? this was so well made you have a genuine natural talent. this was amazing! :)
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Wow! Thanks so much for your lovely words!! This first video went through so much to try and get right and I'm so blown away by the response, as well as reading lovely words like yours. It's made all those long nights worth it
@plusah1268
Ай бұрын
one thing ill probably never be able to wrap my head around is how ethan of h3h3 completely backstabbed jontron despite jontron being the sole reason he has a single dime to his name
@Iranex1
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I rewatch the Jon era GG playlist, and if you do, you can kinda tell that Jon is way outside what he expected from the show. They constantly talk about how they sometimes frustrate each other over different things and how the situation when the camera was off wasnt always great. IMO the most likely thing to have happened is that Jon got burnt out. We see this from his main JT channel, he will go dark for a bit and come back for a bit: he seems to just get burnt out and likes to take his time. No shade, I have problems with mental health and motivation that would effect me similarly if I was a creator. (Not saying Jon has those problems) And if Arin was pushing so hard to make a huge network of channels and constantly making headaches for Jon (not saying Arin is wrong to capitalize, just saying that Jon would have seen it as an unnecessary inconvenience), I could see him reaching a tipping point where he just gets soured on the whole thing.
@higglybiggly1174
Жыл бұрын
100%. Jon uploading 4 times a year is considered a win, and this last month uploading 3 videos people are going insane. He took a YEAR off after his biggest video, flex tape. He made a banger with 70 million views, and dipped lol. He is not the type of person to upload daily content, let alone the rate early grumps was pumping out videos. For him, it was probably nice to hang out with a friend and play old games with the nice bonus of putting them on KZitem and making some money. But Jon was already doing that, Arin wasn't. Arin saw the opportunity for a huge business and a steady income and he's not in the wrong for that at all. KZitem is vicious to animators, and a video Jon could make in a few days playing a vrappy game would take months for Arin to animate and make the same. I love GG, old and new. Gooftroop is my all time favorite play thru, but Danny is amazing as well. Looking back now you can see that the business model was not gonna work for Jon long term. The fact he did it for nearly a year is amazing in it's own right.
@JunAoi
6 ай бұрын
Someone else's comment here kinda encapsulated my take on the video and the situation. Jon was doing Game Grumps to have fun with his friend and just shoot the shit while playing vidyagaems, an unscripted, off-the-cuff podcast-like easy breezy channel. Arin was looking at this as a business opportunity. Arin took Game Grumps as seriously as Jon took The JonTron Show. Jon wanted a relaxing time, Arin wanted to capitalize on this. Neither is wrong to want this, but I think the BIG THING is that Jon already had his 'put my working boots on' project, and he wanted to do Game Grumps on auto-pilot. Arin had Game Grumps and very little else (some VA work, maybe? Unreliable at first), so.. well I'm just repeating myself here. I think it was just they both had different wants for Game Grumps and those ended up being incompatible, because Jon was devoted to The JonTron show. Neither was wrong here, but they didn't discuss it beforehand, so it blew up instead of being nipped in the bud.
@JunAoi
6 ай бұрын
@@higglybiggly1174Woops I accidentally copied most of your post before reading it because I had the same idea. Have my upvote.
@LJ101
Жыл бұрын
The fact that this channel only has 256 subscribers is a genuine crime, glad your video got recommended! 💚
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for watching
@kristalgic1534
25 күн бұрын
I feel like this video villifies Arin for wanting to maintain a brand image, but as the owner of a business, you have to take care if you want to stick around. From what I can tell, Arin changed and grew up a lot from a volatile teenager with an edgy vocabulary and tried to become a better person, and channeled that into making his business better. If not wanting your business partner to speak badly about black people and cancel meetings and appearances due to partying too hard makes someone "PR obsessed" then I'm PR obsessed too. I sometimes wonder if the NDA wasn't Jon's idea so that Arin wouldn't talk badly of his behavior during E3. That would explain why the Grumps were super silent out of fear of slipping up while Jon got to wink at everyone and allude to things.
@justinboisvert6290
Жыл бұрын
It’s obvious you’ve put in a lot of effort in this. I love documentaries on internet drama, keep it up. It’s crazy how many cartoons that you showed that I was able to recognize. That was my childhood.
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
This means more than I can possibly communicate to you Justin, Truly
@SwissSauce
2 ай бұрын
i really dislike people painting Arin in such an evil light, and i downright hate people painting Jon as some sort of underdog. Jon is not a good guy in my eyes. He’s ignorant and has said so much bigoted and misinformed shit without much care for the consequences. And as far as i can see it, Arins only flaws are… Not being good at games and caring too much about public perception.
@GargantuanLivayatin
Ай бұрын
and fucking over ding dong
@DatBoi-mo9vc
Ай бұрын
Also pushing a gay man to suicide, but sure, act like hes innocent 🙄
@TofuVA.
7 ай бұрын
It continues to amaze me how much people care about this and cant just watch the comedy show for fun
@rawlie2
Жыл бұрын
I've been an Egoraptor fan since the early KZitem days and immediately fell in love with Game Grumps. It's so strange to see everything that I lived through as a fan explained as if it were a series of historical events. I was always in the audience never a participant when it came to the conspiracies but this video has put me at peace with a longstanding question I've had at the back of my mind. I'd like to see more videos like this about the other Game Grumps related conspiracies to put them to rest, but this was the big one and it would be hard to find as much material and I imagine there would be less interest in things like the Suzy Etsy thing or the split with the Chris O'neil group.
@Aetherian1
Жыл бұрын
I was somewhat involved with the Miiverse thing. It was actually more in depth than the video makes it appear - people were doing colour-level and pixel-level analysis on the boxes and finding tiny differences in jakey's meaning someone had edited the footage almost perfectly. Genuinely interesting summary post showing the thought process here. /r/ConspiracyGrumps/comments/2s4f9z/censored_miiverse_post_for_real/ The weirdest part of all this is that Chuckles' post is actually probably real. It just looked suspicious enough to warrant the investigation which found an actual doctored post right next to it.
@anitachamberlain3391
Жыл бұрын
I would Love an analysis on the Suzy Etsy stuff. Been curious about it for awhile.
@Aetherian1
Жыл бұрын
@@anitachamberlain3391 People undersell its severity. She essentially bought cheap mass produced jewellery and sold it as "handmade" (specifically) and under her name for vastly increased prices (documented 3,500% on one item), advertised by Arin a couple of times, and advertised on her twitter as made by her. People found out they were the same items with a massive markup. She blew up at them, Arin made a preachy reddit post condemning those angry at her for it. So she ripped off fans using her clout who thought they were buying something she made herself. Okay, big deal, some fans had their trust betrayed and money wasted, fool and his money, right? Nope. Suzy lives in America and is used to these things happening unpunished. Suzy was selling them internationally. This broke trading standards law in both the EU and Australia. Suzy quickly dropped the entire thing when people started bringing this up, because with a few reports and the piles of easy evidence already collected the relevant authorities in these places could send a note to Etsy to have her banned from international sales or entirely with the push of a button. The full breakdown is here, some of the links are dead but throw them in waybackmachine, they're all recorded. www.reddit.com/r/ConspiracyGrumps/comments/30bhdf/proof_of_suzys_dishonesty_suzys_etsy_scam/
@GippyHappy
3 күн бұрын
I feel so bad for Danny in those early days of the transition. He really was the step mom of GG with the audience as the kids hating him cause he's "not our REAL mom". The fact that he was nervous, not because he feared being disliked, but because he didn't want to fail his friends and accidentally ruin their careers. He's such a nice dude. And even though I'll admit I didn't like him at first (but let me be clear I would never leave a hateful comment), he's my favorite part of the channel and it's not even close.
@madzi9574
Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say the editing at 44:48 for the reunion bit gave me chills. I think people really take music for granted in these sorts of videos and your choice here really set the tone for this bit. Absolute perfection. This entire video is a masterpiece and the immense time and effort really shows. Can't wait to see more from you!
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your comments on this bit of the video, For me and everyone else watching that Starcade ep, the pang of nostalgia and emotion was something I absolutely wanted to capture in this video. The track I used was sitting at the end of my timeline for months as I worked my way to it as I knew after listening to it just how much it matched the feeling. Appreciate you and thank you for your kind words and sharing that with me
@t0yo
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Had to double take there. Any idea what the name of the song is
@t0yo
Жыл бұрын
It's Trevor Kowalski rest upon the edge :)
@invinsobill5847
Жыл бұрын
Seems like a pretty one sided video tbh, especially with some pretty big assumptions in regards to personality traits or what happened behind closed doors. It was an entertaining video but a lot of it rubbed me the wrong way
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks so much for your comment and for your feedback on the video, Truly it means more to me than you can know. I hope you'll accept a little bit of backstory as to why I worded things the way I did and why some factors were given a bit of a lighter touch than others! :) My intention was to try to offer a neutral offering with a perspective from Jon as to why he left without falling into another drama video discussing Jon's absolutely with no other way around it, appalling remarks on the Destiny stream. I do understand that on the surface it looks like I'm saying Arin is a one dimensional bad guy but I want it to be absolutely clear I firmly believe both Arin and Jon have made right calls in their outcomes from the split as well as their own issues. Arin's PR focus was a factor that ultimately pushed Jon away (Hence why JON left game grumps, as opposed to Why the Game Grumps split up). Naturally this video would always have an angle on Jon's view on being ostracised from something he founded which naturally is going to make anyone sour. Jon felt like he had no other choice in the matter and this is why he committed to a cross country move. Arin's PR focus also is the exact (maybe in some cases sole) reason that Game Grumps continued past that point. He turned it from a podcast into an empire that attracted huge name recognition throughout YT, And that's to be totally commended This video was originally a LOT longer with more in depth segments but I chose to cut back purely out of the reason of building a profile of why jon left (Fitting the video title) without extra content that's already been summarised. Talking about Jon's comments on the livestream links directly to a friendship reforming being dashed between them which is crucial in the grand scheme of things as it explains how Arin sees how himself and GG is viewed as paramount and it also indicates why Jon will never come back after we saw the two together again, which also indicates a repeat almost of why the two fell out to begin with Again I hope you can understand my reasons behind this, and I hope with a little bit of clarification on the matter from my perspective it's a bit easier for you to understand why things were worded the way they were -- and even though this rubbed you the wrong way I do want to seriously thank you for giving it a go regardless, This video has been a LOT of hard work with writing, research, development, There were 18 different versions of this video alone that got cut! Again thank you for leaving your thoughts, I'll aim to make future points not just that much more impartial but also clearer why I angle things the way I do
@foxxy-3748
Жыл бұрын
It is extremely difficult to respectfully separate from someone whom you've (essentially) started a business with. It's like getting fired, your boss can be as respectful as possible in terminating you, but you still can't help but feel some form of contempt or even anger towards them. They probably did just have creative differences, Jon wanted to work on JonTron more and didn't want Game Grumps to take a more corporate approach, Arin wanted to expand the business. I have no doubt that they were (to some degree) very respectful with one another when they eventually came to the decision to separate, but contempt is had, rumors are spread, lies are told, and thus conspiracies form. On another note, while I definitely do not agree with Jon's moral/political views, I also don't necessarily agree with what Game Grumps has become either. I would love to see a similar video to this, only with the drama that happened between the Grumps and Ding Dong (a fellow content creator and friend of OneyNG) as there is definitely a lot to unpack there.
@CityOfNashville
Жыл бұрын
Lot of emphasis on “Arin being obsessed with PR” and a very brief mention of some absolute white supremicist shit Jon continued to say even after being called out from a bunch of people
@itscassette
Жыл бұрын
Hi there! Thanks for watching and I appreciate you and your comments! A lot of stuff was cut from this video for the sake of brevity but it was important for the narrative that the transgressions of both of them were bought up in the angle of talking about their character flaws being a pressure cooker for a blow up. I do understand why it seems that I’m more heavy on Arin and that’s probably owing to answering the question outlined in the video title. This isn’t a drama video as they’ve been done to death as well as the amount of people who have their own takes on what both have said. It’s all really reprehensible stuff on both sides of the fence no doubt, I fully agree on this! I really appreciate your feedback on this though! I hope you can understand my angle a bit better through this and I hope your takeaway didn’t marr your experience 🥰
@SamWeltzin
Жыл бұрын
I always assumed it was a personality clash, ever since Jon said the N-word repeatedly, forcing Barry to censor it out. You could really hear how uncomfortable Arin was. Also the Guts episode, where they got legitimately angry at each other over a disagreement of competition styles.
@mantoslodge
Жыл бұрын
Homie I hate to break it to you but Arin also said the n-word casually at the time, just never on the show. This was also around the time he did the tax refund rap with stamper where he said the n-word like twice. 10 years ago was a real different time on the internet
@Blade9blood
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, me too. I remember another episode where Arin mentioned Jon's ethnicity and Jon was like, "No! Now everyone's gonna know I'm foreign!" and Arin was audibly confused as to why that was a bad thing. 😅 You can, for sure, hear the uh-oh's.
@SamWeltzin
Жыл бұрын
@@mantoslodge Yeah, I'm aware that was a thing. The discomfort was probably less from the word itself and more from saying it on that particular show in rapid succession, and forcing Barry to bleep it out.
@GhoulCityOffline
Жыл бұрын
Check out game grumps N word compilation. They both said it alot
@jackflash8567
Жыл бұрын
Great video but maybe tone down the Netflix doco vibes. It’s just Jon Tron for god sake.
@jorge9285
Жыл бұрын
I think this idea Arin is obsessed with brand image is a bit misguided. This may be hard for newgrounds people to accept but do you think it's possible that Arin thought edgelord humour was cringe and he wanted to be a better person than that.
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