I'll be releasing the rest of this interview probably tomorrow morning. It's almost 2 hours. James and I are also recording a more technical video as well going over AI Day slides. That will come out in a few days. 😉
@sudeeptaghosh
Жыл бұрын
I can bet my money Tesla must have tested verified that they can do it before physically removing the the sensors ..
@davefroman4700
Жыл бұрын
There was news the other day that GM cannot deliver cars due to a shortage of these sensors. So Tesla hit with the same shortage just said, cancel the features for now. We can enable it later without them.
@elcaro5140
Жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, I am a long time Tesla investor and owner and visiting Austin next week, do you have any tips on how to get a peek inside Giga Austin? Please let me know if you have any tips, thank you!
@pierre.a.larsen
Жыл бұрын
@@sudeeptaghosh For sure. Tesla's primary concern is safety. Also, they are entirely driven purely by profits as most other corporations. However in this case safety and profit coincide as the added software capability has none or very little added costs. It is a double win.
@flwi
Жыл бұрын
Can't wait. I always enjoy the conversation with James!
@savagecub
Жыл бұрын
Apparently Elon has never got the “Camera obscured” message that I ALWAYS get while driving at night in high humidity areas.
@markl3893
Жыл бұрын
I get a similar message sometimes when a camera is lined up with the sun. The camera over-loads and Tesla is blinded.
@savagecub
Жыл бұрын
@@alldeeplearning949 Maybe apply some heat to the glass in front of the camera.
@SetTheCurve
Жыл бұрын
Maybe install a sensor that can see more than the human eye?
@yssubed2
Жыл бұрын
And I expect he’s never driven country roads in snowy weather…
@Robert-cu9bm
Жыл бұрын
@@SetTheCurve Name one?... I'm sure NASA will be wanting it.
@KJSvitko
Жыл бұрын
I wish Tesla had cross traffic alerts when backing up. Many other cars have it and it is a great feature to reduce accidents when reversing.
@TeNgaere
Жыл бұрын
So true. Can't figure why he doesn't add that with Bird's eye view for parking. It would take 1/1000th of the software engineering effort of FSD and would be something my wife would really use!!
@quixomega
Жыл бұрын
They don't? I mean, I own a Mazda it has that...
@TeNgaere
Жыл бұрын
@@quixomega A lot of OEMs have that, but for some reason, unmexplained, Tesla doesn't. No excuse as they have the software expertise to do it.
@Robert-cu9bm
Жыл бұрын
@@quixomega They have the most advanced tech... Like a valve that has no use to the driver. But the more important tech they are actively deleting
@Acsantes73
Жыл бұрын
the reason is that Elon is cheap and is maximizing profit margins for each car. The fact that he removed the uss without having a viable alternative at all was a ridiculous decision. Not having cross traffic backup alerts and bird's eye view are results of this cost-savings mentality they have. It is frustrating to pay this much for a car and not get these basic features other cars have in that price range.
@elijahmadonia
Жыл бұрын
7 MINUTES? DAVE WE NEED A 4 HOUR COME ON!
@SuperPK95
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully this is just a teaser 😅
@dewiz9596
Жыл бұрын
Can’t get enough of this double intellect
@petersmangalisongoma2013
Жыл бұрын
😆😆😆
@casperhansen826
Жыл бұрын
1 minute ought to be enough to say, its not needed, we dismissed it and saved a lot of money
@carholic-sz3qv
Жыл бұрын
@@dewiz9596 lol……. Don’t overload data centers with things they uses more energy to run
@artemZinn
Жыл бұрын
Ultrasonic sensors were giving accuracy in centimeters which was really useful, I doubt camera can do that accuracy atm
@reggiebuffat
Жыл бұрын
At the moment
@sebastiangeorge7714
Жыл бұрын
@@reggiebuffat then why are they doing it now ?
@Robert-cu9bm
Жыл бұрын
@@sebastiangeorge7714 Money saving
@jesperalstrup2985
Жыл бұрын
No, Ultrasonic sensors is "guessing" distance, but not very accurate. Vision will be milimeters and accurate as they say in this video.
@sebastiangeorge7714
Жыл бұрын
@@jesperalstrup2985 by now vision is not working at all that’s way more guessing
@markhall7173
Жыл бұрын
No, the cameras will NOT be better inching towards a curb than ultra-sonic (your second question) because they cannot see objects lower than a foot, up to 3 feet in front of the car. This is really about saving money and arguably materials / resources, but let's not say it's about a superior product. It's also worth noting the cameras are being upgraded from 1.2MP to 5MP and it's not clear whether those cameras will be needed to replace all of the functionality of the sensors being removed, or if it can be achieved with cameras on "legacy" vehicles. Tesla Vision doesn't do a better job than radar for AP especially at night and when it's raining (I'm in the FSD Beta and my car is from 2018).
@markwilliams4671
Жыл бұрын
Actually, if you are moving toward a curb, and were more than 3 feet away when you started, the measured wheel rotation in conjunction with the camera's last identified location of the curb, will work. However, if an object, like a bike or skateboard, was placed within the camera’s blind spot (below a foot in elevation up to three feet in front of the car) while the car was parked, it would have no "memory" of the object to work with.
@XXXSilverLesleyXXX
Жыл бұрын
@@markwilliams4671 unless it is in active tracking mode during the time
@Robert-cu9bm
Жыл бұрын
@@markwilliams4671 Rain?
@antonioma2702
Жыл бұрын
And thats is why a person gets lower safety scoring on FSD if u drive at night, the cameras simply cant see!
@dogoodnotbad
Жыл бұрын
@Lashiv b I wouldn't bet on them. I am driving a 2023 MY without USS and it is a disappointment and forward parking is a struggle
@an9529
Жыл бұрын
2 issues: 1) The steering projection lines in the backup camera are terrible at tracking where I’m going. It needs to be recalibrated. 2) None of the cameras actually show me the immediate surrounding of my vehicle.
@deficator750
Жыл бұрын
thats one thing i never understood is how a car with cameras all around it still cannot do that. let alone giving us that 360 degree birds view
@jeremypmerrill
Жыл бұрын
2 Problems: 1) You don't have 4 cameras at bumper level. 2) You never are going to get superior with camera alone to camera + ultrasonic. More inputs is always going to be better than fewer. ESPECIALLY in inclement weather. Ultrasonic function normally when covered in water drops. Cameras, not so much.
@daveinpublic
Жыл бұрын
Tesla removed the sensors so they don’t have to worry about using extra computer chips, and so they can ship more cars.
@stevenlee1726
Жыл бұрын
Yes! More sensor will always be better and smarter… car can fly too if strapped with a rocket booster… but you have to consider the business side too… is camera enough? Yes! Human can use their eye to drive! So camera is enough for most cases. I think they want to reduce the manufacturing cost
@jeremypmerrill
Жыл бұрын
@@stevenlee1726 I understand why they did it, I just think it's short sighted. Auto makers have been installing ultrasonic sensors in cars for years just to aid human drivers, and they are cheap. Every time I drive my Tesla in anything more than a drizzle full self driving goes bye-bye (sometimes the side cameras fog up just from the cold, and Tesla tries to tell me they are working as designed) No way in hell they get to level 5 with cameras alone.
@danepher
Жыл бұрын
@@daveinpublic ultra sonic sensors are very cheap including their chips, they were never had supply problems and can be manufactured in any country. Unlike cpu's and gpu's that need state of the art fabs.
@danepher
Жыл бұрын
@@stevenlee1726 as J.P.M already said. All cars nowadays have ultra sonic sensors at least as an option and they are dirt cheap. Camera is enough for most situations yes, but what about situations that are not? How much is most? The cameras and auto options in my father's tesla stop working under rain, snow and thick fog, when in this situations the radar and ultra sonic sensors would work perfectly fine. The radar works in all conditions unlike a camera, might as well use it.
@steverichards7675
Жыл бұрын
I love these in person interviews! Can't wait to see the rest of these conversations.
@pazznecht
Жыл бұрын
I have missed James. Such a great guy. Thank you Dave. I am impatiently waiting for his assesment of AI Day 2.
@WilliamFontaineJr
Жыл бұрын
Me too can’t wait.
@jayvilla5985
Жыл бұрын
I picked up my new model Y LR on March 1st of this year (2023) and its parking assistance is non-existent. ZERO warnings when parking. I even set up an obstacle with padded garbage cans and reversed into them. I bumped them with no warnings. Same thing goes from the front. I should have paid more attention to that stuff before buying the car. I would have waited. I heard the sensors were removed, but from what I was reading it seemed like “Tesla Vision” was going to be better, but honestly I don’t even think that has been rolled out software wise. If it has, then it’s absolute GARBAGE. My 22k 2014 Honda has far superior parking assistance then this 55k car. And it pisses me off that these Tesla fans like the one you were talking to keep saying that it’s going to be better as if they are sure. When you asked him about the front parking you should have pressed him on that. The Tesla camera in the front is too high up to see anything right in front of the bumper. I would believe that would be better if there was a camera on the bumper, but there is not. And knowing how cheap Elon is there is no way I see them putting one in.
@brednbudr2406
Жыл бұрын
It's crazy how much more enjoyable these are to watch when you are both talking in person. Really feels different, in a good way.
@k8923
Жыл бұрын
One of the best things about our 2012 Nissan Leaf was the 360 degree overhead view cameras. They had cameras on each side of the car and in the front and back. On the main screen in the dash, they had an overhead picture of the car, and real time video facing all 4 directions. It was brilliant. It made parking, backing up, etc a breeze. It is amazing to me that here it is 10 years later and this isn't available on $60,000 vehicles. The back up camera on the Tesla is excellent, but the side cameras face the rear, and the only front camera is behind the rear view mirror, so it can only see things about 4 ft away from the car, so you have no idea how far away from the curb you are, or if you're about to drive over something breakable.
@itsjonathanbitch
Жыл бұрын
My Range Rover had it and ut was great. I just expected the model y to have because the system is so much smarter but seems not haha
@derwaechter01
10 ай бұрын
So true. We have the old Leaf and 2024 TMY. It's amazing how the Leaf can be so much better at parking. And it has no sensors whatsoever!
@k8923
10 ай бұрын
@@derwaechter01 Fortunately, we bought our Y in 2022 when they still had the ultrasonics. Still, doesn't come close to the aerial view of the LEAF.
@BB-xy5nd
Жыл бұрын
I was wondering where Douma was. He needed a week to absorb AI day 🤣🔥
@Xavi7192
Жыл бұрын
😅
@hardywoodaway9912
Жыл бұрын
I still waiting for my autopilot to be better… to drive as fast as with radar, to drive as close… I still waiting for automatic wipers to be on par with other cars, same as automatic high beams. If you’re a Tesla owner you get promised a lot but what you actually get…
@TC-V8
Жыл бұрын
I find often get dazzled from Tesla M3's - do you think this this due to their automatic high beams?
@skyshade9106
Жыл бұрын
@@TC-V8 probably my model x plaid i get brighted all time by mostly semis driving on the interstate because the auto high beams are sooo bad they turn on wayyy to much not too big of a deal except the fact my 150,000 dollar car i have to manually turn on and off the high beams becuase it cant tell if someone is in front of me!!
@dogoodnotbad
Жыл бұрын
I can relate to that ... I just got my 2023 MY without USS and it is a disappointment. Even forward parking is a struggle. I don't understand why they removed USS without replacing their function
@Resist4
Жыл бұрын
Removing the sensors prior to having the software ready is a huge mistake. And removing radar was a mistake too, since Tesla turned my radar off I have way more phantom braking events. Vision only will never work without more sensors. Tesla removing things is all about reducing their costs, yet it never lowers the price of their vehicles for consumers. But this was a good interview.
@bruceperson7820
Жыл бұрын
I too am having many situations where I get the "phantom braking" from overhead shadows on the road several times on my way to town in the mornings. The cameras can get a film over them where they sort of still work but miss a bunch of stuff. Also the cameras can get crud and even rain drops mess with the cameras. Also the cameras are placed pretty high up and miss things that are low down that the car can still hit. This is a mistake. For people like me that are full self driving beta testers we are so far back on the base release of software that we don't get to keep up with all the new features released to the non-beta testers. When will the base software of beta release be closer to the software being released to the rest of the Tesla community. I get tired of reading and seeing all the great features being released to all the non-beta users and having to wait for months until the beta FSD community gets to try these out. This is especially bad when we lose radar and ultrasonic sensors and they say that software will eventually fix this loss. For us Beta FSD users, this "eventually" is not good enough. I've considered many times dropping out of the FSD Beta just because of this software release lag but then why did I pay so much extra for FSD when I wouldn't be able to use it until someday. This story is getting old.
@Resist4
Жыл бұрын
@@bruceperson7820 I hear you! I'm also getting tired of missing out on the new software updates. It took forever just to get the update that fixed the USB Unavailable issue. I'm not super impressed with the FSD beta anyway, so I'm really considering dropping out because I hate waiting months for bug fixes for other issues because beta users don't get the updates like everyone else does. And I wish Tesla would stop adding games and just fix the Dashcam Viewer!
@jonathansage2147
Жыл бұрын
@@Resist4 omg the dashcam viewer is completely bricked in my car, is it like this for everyone? It takes 5+ minutes to load anything. I entirely stopped looking at sentry recordings. I just hope if anything happens to my car I'll be able to pull the SD card and read it elsewhere.
@jonathansage2147
Жыл бұрын
@@bruceperson7820 I didn't pay for FSD, but removing radar made my car worse too. I get about 3000% (3/day vs .5/ week) more false positive forward collision warnings now. I am seriously considering setting it to late warning, but that feels like disabling a safety feature.
@Resist4
Жыл бұрын
@@jonathansage2147 The Dashcam Viewer has not worked right since day one. And Tesla has done nothing to fix it. I rarely get full 10 minute clips. Most of the time they are one minute, two minute, three minute, 4 minute or 5 minute clips. Often the video skips around or doesn't finish. Moving the slider many times causes the video to not finish and loop. This can't be that difficult for Tesla to fix. I think the Dashcam Viewer is more important than adding more games to my car. Elon just fix it and give us better resolution cameras for crying out loud! And don't tell me that the cameras were never designed to be used as a dashcam, because if so then you guys weren't thinking ahead and aren't as smart as you claim to be.
@heinzn6272
Жыл бұрын
I feel a little smarter every time you have James on your podcast Thanks Dave
@Xiku
Жыл бұрын
Lol James has no clue what hes talking about. Sounds like a marketing guy discussing engineering
@deficator750
Жыл бұрын
James is a clueless. How the heck can a camera be better than USS thats in the bumper when the cameras can't even see anything below the bumper.
@MikeKobb
Жыл бұрын
I'd like to push back a little on the assertion that the current vision-based system is better than the radar system was. Would appreciate hearing the basis for this claim, because it sure doesn't seem to be based on the experience of many of my friends. (I have an older car with radar.)
@fxavcat
Жыл бұрын
Love the studio, looks great!!
@chrisk1295
Жыл бұрын
glad to see and hear James in HD!
@chrismd00
Жыл бұрын
There’s a 3 foot Blindspot in front of the car and there’s also an area behind the car for the offsite sensors may help with backing up into a rock
@jorgepadilla9945
Жыл бұрын
especially living here in LA, parallel parking is super important.. a tight squeeze, I'm not gonna rely on the blind spot of the camera to tell me to keep going...
@fparent
Жыл бұрын
I'm not against Tesla trying different things however it should ensure a better experience not a worst one after the transition. Contrary to what he says Tesla Vision is not better in every way after the removal of the radar. After my radar was removed I am experiencing dangerous "phantom braking" in situations where it never happened before.
@t1328
Жыл бұрын
Good video. But what evidence do you have that auto pilot is working better with vision only than it was with vision and radar now? I’m still seeing major complaints about phantom braking, and law suits to boot. Personally I believe having to redundant systems is always better than just removing one that is known to work better for some scenarios, and I believe removing the radar was a major mistake.
@nulian
Жыл бұрын
Only real reason it probably was removed was supply shortage of chips.
@t1328
Жыл бұрын
@@nulian I think it was just cost cutting personally.
@jonathansage2147
Жыл бұрын
My car is worse without radar. My incidence of forward collision warnings have increased several hundred percent. I used to have one every two weeks or so. I now have 3/day. That is too many false positives for a safety system. It's now the boy who cried wolf and I will probably set it to late warning, but that feels like I'm choosing to compromise my safety for the sake of not being annoyed.
@t1328
Жыл бұрын
@@jonathansage2147 from what I’ve been reading, that’s true of the majority of Tesla Model Y and Model 3 owners. Phantom braking is the reason I sold my 2020 Model Y after radar was removed permanently when I signed up for FSD beta. It’s way worse than radar and vision combined. Since I wrote this reply I looked into it more. It’s gotten very bad for many, but not all Tesla owners.
@jonathansage2147
Жыл бұрын
@@t1328 ouch. What are you moving to? Radar was software removed only like a month ago (they made the announcement and cut over for new cars many months ago), you jumped ship super quickly. I'm going to hold out for longer, but a Rivian R1S is super tempting.
@optimagroup11
Жыл бұрын
High curbs cost me $1,800 twice, once at a new Starbucks, once on a narrow out-of-town residential street making a Y turn with my Ex 'distracting me'... after just getting it fixed! First time car insurance covered it and dinged me for three years with higher premiums , second time I just said old car, let it hang down... until I get my Cybertruck and then let FSD use 'vision' to figure it out... of course, the Cybertruck won't need to worry about high curbs! Lol Who needs ultrasound?... oh yeah, bats! Lol SoCalFreddy
@pauljefferies9087
Жыл бұрын
Ok, ok,ok! Next they will get rid of the headlights, I suppose?
@andreb.8266
Жыл бұрын
You know how good a camera is in snow/slusch/rain condition, I know for myself I had to remove the dirt quite often on all camera because no Cie as make something to clean the damn cameras automaticly.
@robertmpeterson9755
Жыл бұрын
Kepp me from curbing the wheels - I'll be ecstatic.
@MrMacaroonable
Жыл бұрын
I've learned so much from these interviews with James. He's such as intelligent, humble and great explainer of everything. Thank you Dave for spreading these knowledges.
@199724
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, as a Tesla owner I can guarantee you together with all Tesla owners that this is not knowledge, it's bullshit.
@larsnystrom6698
Жыл бұрын
Those who complain over removing the radar will complain over removing the ultrasound sensors. They say things like that the radar works in a fog, and that's true. But the forget that you can't drive with only radar! So, it's an incomplete faulty argument. If you cant see, you can't drive. It's as simple as that. I would complain that the cameras will be covered with dirt in some situations (like winter when they spread salt to melt the ice avay) and need some cleaning mecanism. That problem might be too difficult for Teslas engineers, though! Our eyes can blink. Perhaps Teslas cameras could do that too! Of course cameras can do just as good job as ultrasound sensors. Any engineer would think so!
@bp495599
Жыл бұрын
So, the vision only solution is still well inferior to the radar solution. James said they caught up, but that's simply not true. ACC has a lower speed limit and a much longer min following distance! Tesla just forced this vision only update onto my car with radar and I lost functionality, which also cost me about 30 miles in range. Radar can also see a car stopping several cars ahead which vision will never be able to do, so it's also affects safety. Radar should be an option.
@paulhendershott667
Жыл бұрын
The biggest shortcoming will be a 3'2" blind spot in front of the car and 2'8" blind spot in the rear. The limitation on both will be the camera angle shooting forward and down. Without additional cameras or new locations (Tesla said the locations will not be moving), it will be interesting to see what the solution will be or if that will be just an acceptable shortcoming moving forward... (pun intended)
@elcaro5140
Жыл бұрын
Dave, how can I get to see inside Giga Austin next week any tips?
@gabormark2294
Жыл бұрын
This is just mind blowing. The confidence in vision to make such a huge decision. With existing HW, not even hi res cameras like Nio, or HW4 FSD
@larryanddawnstaudt379
Жыл бұрын
"The best part is NO part"
@petermuller5275
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the insight. I have owned and driven a model S for five years. Love the car, but the software has been all over the place. I have a history in software and think its safe to say that TESLA has not delivered on its promises. The whole story about removing sensors because they believe cameras will do a better job has either not been explained to the publich very well, or its a lot of wishful thinking that might work one day. In the meantime TESLA is still delivering cars with incomplete software which can lead to users making assumptions that could end up hurting them.
@MrDuncanBooth
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave and James
@mattbrew11
Жыл бұрын
Bats are WAY better at navigation in low light than any pair of eyes even those of owls
@Mojo16011973
Жыл бұрын
Great stuff guys. Can't wait until "tomorrow" 🙂
@shantanubhattacharya1220
Жыл бұрын
Very timely and informative. Thank you. James answered the question I had (as I'm sure many others did) since the news broke.
@tomcapon4447
Жыл бұрын
Biggest impact I see is repair time and cos.! Sensors are why a bumper cover replacement can be thousands of dollars.
@RolandGustafsson
Жыл бұрын
Ultrasonic sensors are inexpensive, just bought a 4-pack for my SUV for $25. And yes, they work fine. Radar is probably expensive, however. (Which my Model 3 has)
@dougmanck4149
Жыл бұрын
Do the Tesla cameras ever get dirty? Are they unaffected by snow, frost, rain, dust mud etc? Will Teslas only be sold in sunny areas?
@kdungan100
Жыл бұрын
I live in a snowy/slushy area in winter with salted roads. Front cameras are cleared by the wipers. The left/right back looking cameras are well protected and almost never need cleaned. The left/right front looking cameras can get dirty, but it doesn't seem often; occasionally, I will give those a wipe. The back camera gets dirty all of the time, covered in salt. I regularly clean that camera at least once a week. The operator will likely need to periodically clean a little. It seems to take a few trips to obscure the rear camera, so it doesn't seem to get clouded in a single trip.
@haggish7100
Жыл бұрын
Hi David, I like and follow your channel and this is the first time I post a response. I think here that you are not asking the critical questions. The camera on the Tesla sits at the top of the windscreen and cannot possibly see closer than one meter in front of the car at the very bottom. How can this be better than today's ultrasonic? Another thing, everyone who buys a Tesla doesn't live in California. What about those who drive where it rains or snows a lot, the camera becomes quite useless then, doesn't it?
@ShinkaTV
Жыл бұрын
I feel like if Dave invited me over for a family dinner I would be just finishing up my meal and he would abruptly just say "alright, thanks." and stand up to usher me out the door haha.
@Ample17
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the endings always roll in a little abrupt 😂
@Ryukachoo
Жыл бұрын
1:20 Laughs in fender benders the world over
@paulsandgren8625
Жыл бұрын
What i want to know about is the cameras they are using. How do they deal with darkness, rain, snow or any vision impairment? Do they incorporate night vision or FLIR? part of making FSD better than a human driver is to make it see better than a human. I have thrown these questions out there many times and have yet to get an answer. I would love to know your thoughts Dave.
Paul... Unfortunately it is very hard to get responses to KZitem videos. Some producers are very good at it, but they are the exception! I have never gotten an answer from Dave Lee, sadly enough.
@paulsandgren8625
Жыл бұрын
@@TeNgaere Thanks Marvin. I guess I will keep plugging away at it. So far the only response I have gotten was from Warren R but he would answer my questions with other questions in what I perceived as condescending. I am trying to throw questions out there that I personally have not heard asked before. If I could get some of these influencers to get these questions to the masses, it may be a benefit.
@TeNgaere
Жыл бұрын
Paul I am disappointed that some of the well known Tesla KZitem influencers are not asking for these simple software additions. They spend a lot of time talking about video game or music addtions but nothing about completeing features like Birds Eye View or cross traffic alerts. Go figure. I have texted Elon many times but no response of course.
@paulsandgren8625
Жыл бұрын
@@TeNgaere one thing i have been pondering is the feasibility of dynamic inductive charging for EVs built into roads. I have no idea what the costs would be but it would be interesting to have EVs that weigh much less as they will not need as large of a battery pack therefore more efficient. Just thought I would run it by you
@michaelplotkin7383
Жыл бұрын
Another great job, thanks.
@Ondar007
Жыл бұрын
Seems Tesla need 1 more camera on front bumper to do all ultrasonics did :)
@maikalias1502
Жыл бұрын
yep, I think so too
@bujin5455
Жыл бұрын
It's always nice to see James, but I wish it wasn't a "quick" video, but rather a LONG video discussing AI Day 2022.
@Pikminiman
Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing this was a really long, more structured conversation, and Dave is releasing it in small parts. My first thought is that it will be good for the channel and good for topic organization.
@lecisko
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, tbh for me something an hour long is usually a no on the whole watch. 5-20 minutes is more like it
@FlorinArjocu
Жыл бұрын
There are a million cases cameras cannot do at all or better than sensors & radar. Those are not corner cases. For example: if the camera is dirty, if it is completely dark, if strong light shines into the camera, less than 1 m in front of the car, an object coming from behing another object in that blind spot, getting out from a garage (pretty allodern cars have radars in the corners telling you if there is something coming) etc. Those are daily situations.
@dr-k1667
Жыл бұрын
I think many will agree with me that right after A. I. Day Part 2 we were waiting to have you talk with James. The more conversations the better!!
@johncrist4554
Жыл бұрын
Dave being back
@cbeebe007
Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the whole interview! Don't worry about making the segments seem like they are from independent tapings. Just release the clips, we all know it was from one sit down. That is what Lex and Rogan do.
@arguanmodeth
Жыл бұрын
I liked the radar. Our Tesla group could park several cars facing into a circle, put a microwave dinner in the center and it was like a tailgate party.
@blakerupert
Жыл бұрын
Cool new format!
@DaveDayCAE
Жыл бұрын
Thinking about smart summon and other self driving scenarios, what about a cat or a dog that takes a nap near or under the car where the cameras cannot see them? Since the front facing cameras would be blocked by the frunk, might the sonar detect an animal under or near the front bumper better than the cameras?
@leononymous2562
Жыл бұрын
very cool to see another in person interview with you two!
@SunshineVocals
Жыл бұрын
The update on vision is great but they still need the sensors for other advancements. Like emergency braking and when getting close to things. Self-parking will surely not be a thing anymore. They have removed functionality that are not replaced with vision and that's rediculous.
@aec258
Жыл бұрын
There will be some bumps in the way. Pun intended!
@beck99o
Жыл бұрын
ooooh.. I sense a long conversation with James split out into daily chunks coming! Cant wait. Thanks as always for doing this.
@RobStevens64
Жыл бұрын
I think the flaw in the logic here is that people DON'T just do things like judge distance with their eyes. It may seem like we do, but our other senses play into how we judge things, too. There are very few times where multiple senses aren't used. For example, what you taste is influences as much by your sense of smell and sight as it is your actual taste buds. Soldiers have found their sense of hearing is affected by wearing a helmet, even when it doesn't cover their ears (sound reverberates off your skull, too). I think Tesla is going to find (the hard way) that multiple signals are really needed for the kind of fidelity they want to go for. And personally, I think that where safety features are concerned, more input signals are better than less. But let's be clear, ultrasonics are going away to reduce cost and complexity. And it's happening now because they already made the decision to drop ultrasonic, and they can't change their mind and get the parts now ... suppliers have reallocated supply elsewhere. So now they're forced to go without and have the vision software catchup.
@DiabloSpearguns
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, very informative
@TedKidd
Жыл бұрын
You two are going to chat on a daily basis? AWESOME 👍
@rickmorenojr
Жыл бұрын
The issue is where the cameras are mounted on Tesla vehicles. The angle from the front camera creates a blind spot for objects about 12-inches tall, three feet or less from the front bumper. I hope they can fix that with the new 5MP cameras.
@pfcrow
Жыл бұрын
The camera resolution doesn't fix that. What fixes that is remembering what was there, even if you turn the car off. Of course, that only helps for things that don't move, like curbs, not for things like dogs or your kid's scooter.
@jonathansage2147
Жыл бұрын
@@pfcrow Or I put a non standard pair of wheels on my car and now all of it's math is wrong. Or the object moves. Or I jockey the car several times with the object out of frame and the map progressively drifts further and further from reality. Or I turn the car off and it forgets everything that was out of frame. Or I install a software update and it forgets everything out of frame. Or ANY number of other totally plausible edge cases.
@robinisathakur
Жыл бұрын
@@pfcrow Or your kid. Kids running around or sleeping animals etc are not exactly edge cases, they are real world everyday occurrences which the old system would have coped with fine. I have a theory that American parking bays are huge compared to the rest of the world so Elon and the rest are not that concerned about it, or at least they don't appear to be moving very fast on this. Doing this internally while beta testing is fine. Rolling out the 'feature' to the whole world and inconveniencing people that have purchased your product, making it far less safe is not.
@stephen2220
Жыл бұрын
Still no update for the removal of USS! I don't really care if the vehicle will have HW3 or HW4. I just want some form of USS to be installed back into these cars! I will not be a FSD adopter when I purchase a MSP and I don't have faith that if I purchase a MSP now Tesla will offer a free or paid retrofit to return some kind of USS back into these vehicles that have already been delivered.
@johannesdolch
Жыл бұрын
My guess is that the new occupancy model make ultrasonic superfluous and since they are not perfect they might even confuse the AI
@edwardtse8631
Жыл бұрын
Seemed like shure sm7b is just the best in the market, the sound is just perfect.
@pauljefferies9087
Жыл бұрын
Yes, fellow viewers, it is in fact becoming more and more difficult to determine if the story is true or not. You see, fellow viewers, “the people who make cars sometimes have lapses in their own reasoning, regarding safety features, unfortunately”.
@bigpicture3
Жыл бұрын
Technically the human eye has electromagnetic frequency range limitations that end at the ultraviolet end and the infrared end of the spectrum. The camera sensors can be made to extend beyond these end limit ranges even into night vision. In intense rain or snow storms radar may have some advantages in detecting road edges and obstacles etc.
@michalkalavsky
Жыл бұрын
I would strongly disagree with current layout of tesla cameras. Only chance they can pull it off with this camera layout is to map and remember area before you park for example. I just can imagine for example how precise can they monitor front right and left corners of car.
@likenlk2003
Жыл бұрын
Tesla didn't remove any sensors. Tesla removed my portfolio.
@RyRch
Жыл бұрын
This guy speaks with such confidence about things that are so obviously untrue. There is no defence for removing what for some is a critical aid BEFORE you have the replacement ready. Just shows utter contempt for your customers. There’s no way camera based systems can be better than USS with / or Radar. It’s cost cutting pure and simple.
@NinetyTres
Жыл бұрын
I think they wheel need another camera in front like other vehicles have had for some time now
@JeffreyFate
Жыл бұрын
Really good reminder that shooting for the moon at least gets you to space
@rk-mu8yf
Жыл бұрын
What happens when it rains? I always get a message that at least one of the camera is blocked. MX 2018
@frodekleppe3884
Жыл бұрын
Nice studio and video.
@cryptoslacker-464
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Great discussion
@timyin6775
Жыл бұрын
Why don’t you talk about Elon’s mistake on twitter deal? He is destroying the Tesla investors.
@vanrozay8871
Жыл бұрын
I don't believe ANY cameras can see through extreme fog, very heavy rain. SOME kind of sensors are needed for greatest safety.
@rogergeyer9851
Жыл бұрын
Van Rozay: Intuition is NOT a good substitute for ANY science. The data will show what works best. If Mobileye, for example, makes much more progress than Tesla, then Tesla might have to fall back to multiple sensor modes. (Flat earthers can wave their arms and flap their lips all they want -- it doesn't change the nature of reality or the massive evidence or the fact that space flight is real, for example.) They can always go back to multiple sensor modes if necessary -- robotaxis for the general case are NOT close and there is plenty of time to experiment with software and collect and analyze data, and upgrade hardware like computers, cameras, and other sensors as more is learned.
@kdungan100
Жыл бұрын
I guess the question is "should you drive any faster than you can see?" I mean if you trust the radar, then drive faster than you can see and the radar will save you from a crash. On the other hand, I only drive as fast as I would be able to stop in a low visibility situation.
@waynerussell6401
Жыл бұрын
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@ChrisCoombes
Жыл бұрын
Probably also Elon enjoys putting pressure on his teams.
@jerrymartyniuk2221
Жыл бұрын
what about when my car wakes up near a large hump not visible and I try to go forward??
@SteveBMayer
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if we could fool a Tesla into running into a wall now. I can imagine something roadrunner style fooling the camera-only based system
@smann11b
Жыл бұрын
Saying what you are going to do, is skin in the game.
@JasonTaylor-po5xc
Жыл бұрын
First rule in any technology transition is not to degrade the current user experience. Make it on par or better first, then rip out/disable the unneeded sensors. We are all aware of Elon time, I'm not sure he is. Also, the big flaw with vision only tech is that they fail the moment bad weather appears - since I live in Florida - that happens daily during late Spring until early Fall. At least the radar/sensors could work when the cameras can't.
@slimjim1125
Жыл бұрын
2023 Model 3's in Australia and NZ still have the ultrasonic sensors installed and working.
@TylerHilliard
Жыл бұрын
3:35 EXACTLY! Ultrasonics on my brand new Y we're telling me the distance from a pole NOT the curb so drove over the curb scraping it.
@MarcioSouza1
Жыл бұрын
Sick studio!
@pauljefferies9087
Жыл бұрын
And after that, the tail lights…, the braking system, seat belts, doors,…maybe we will just be sold that little chrome label that they put on the fender.
@Birthhammer
Жыл бұрын
Best intro of all Tesla content providers, no contest
@p4lxrich
Жыл бұрын
There’s no front camera on the bumper. That’s the problem I see. The camera can’t see on the lower bumper side.
@joeabad5908
Жыл бұрын
The camera determine the distance, the wheel sensor allow to move the car enough to avoid the obstacle. Great engineering solution..
@carholic-sz3qv
Жыл бұрын
Nope!!!
@crispymoore
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been wondering how the car computers will deal with mirrors if they go full vision. I have mirrors in my garage, and it feels like it’s something that could trick a vision based system. Also, could a Looney Toons style painted tunnel on a wall fool a vision only system?
@bosoerjadi2838
Жыл бұрын
Not if the vision is real-time stereoscopic (two or more cameras with overlapping views generating a real-time 3D image/model of its visible vicinity). It will have a lot more trouble if in reality it's a single view camera that uses the car's movement to simulate parallax depth perception.
@glenwoodriverresidentsgrou136
Жыл бұрын
Yes. It would head straight for the tunnel. Damn the torpedos, radar, and ultrasonic returns! Oh, sorry, I forgot, we ditched those things because prioritizing conflicting inputs and information is just too hard. Full speed ahead! WHAP!
@tldrinfographics5769
Жыл бұрын
Basic Autopilot got worse with the deletion of the radar though. Phantom breaking, unstable deceleration during traffic jam. It’s now worse than $200 Mobileye system…
@whitlockbr
Жыл бұрын
Doesn't a camera system need parallax to be very accurate (mm scale)?
@pfcrow
Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily. They get parallax by comparing subsequent frames when the car is moving, so any error is quickly corrected. I have a family member with only one eye, and he drives just fine.
@starwreck
Жыл бұрын
Nice set
@mitch1958no1
Жыл бұрын
and hopefully, there's no freezing rain, slushy roads, or road dirt to obscure the cameras. during winter, I have to frequently stop and clean off the camera lenses to make them useful. But I guess it's not that much of an issue in California or Texas.
@RichardCurrie
Жыл бұрын
My car has cameras and ultrasonics. The camera is great for getting forward and close to kerbs. Would probably be fine without it, given you can see what the cameras see.
@adamriese3610
Жыл бұрын
My only concern is, when my rear camera is full of snow and dirt in winter
@tt3kgtvr4
Жыл бұрын
I get that as the car moves it can assume an object is still there but what about if you’ve been parked and the objects around you move when you get back. Ex garbage cans
@mskiby
Жыл бұрын
Camera also don't work at certain solar angles, it blinds the car. FSD or summon won't work
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