This was recorded before the response from Red Hat, to sum it up, it did not go well. That doesn't really impact what I said in the video and just reinforces my thoughts of it being a bad move.
@debasishraychawdhuri
Жыл бұрын
No customer will switch away from RedHat, but also RedHat would not make any additional money from those customers. People who were using Alma or Rocky would not suddenly become RedHat customers. And it would be harder to hire people who know RedHat linux since people would not be able to use Alma or Rocky at home.
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
Just as a note, you can run standard RHEL at home (I THINK) by simply creating a dev account which I believe is free. I doubt this will make more companies step away from RH, but I do wonder how it will affect companies in the future, particularly software vendors that want to aim their product at a Linux distro.
@wnsjimbo2863
Жыл бұрын
@@Vashinator7it will effect cheap companies to move from rocky/alma and maybe ol
@kuhluhOG
Жыл бұрын
@@Vashinator7 maybe, but when a company is deciding which distro to use (there are still many out there which don't use Linux and additionally many small companies which are just too small for a RHEL support contract), their SysAdmins have a lot to say in that (not the price, but they are essentially judging the "quality of the product" for that company's use case) and this situation can piss off a lot of them
@Openspeedtest
Жыл бұрын
I have been running Debian on production servers for over 10 years, and I have never had any issues.
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
Excellent! That's really good to hear. I suspect it'll be highly dependent on the types of apps/services and size of company. This was more to try to illustrate why this will matter to some. I'm thinking my home lab will either be proxmox 8 or Debian 12 . Leaning towards proxmox for some of the tools included.
@jirehla-ab1671
Жыл бұрын
@@Vashinator7but how abt enterprise apps that are mostly for rhel?
@vladimir_fomin90
Жыл бұрын
Moral of the story: EVERY publicly trading company goes to shit. No exceptions. Debian 12 is a great contendor. Maybe its time to consider it more for the server side.
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
I am thinking my homelab base will be Proxmox 8 which is based on Debian 12. But I have also debated just running something like Debian and setting up the docker containers, etc. that I needed.
@esra_erimez
Жыл бұрын
Red Hat has completed its journey to irrelevance. We have an audit requirement to have 3rd party support for our Linux production servers. We have a large number of production servers that were paid RHEL. But, we used CentOS for things like development, testing, and staging. These don't require support. While Red Hat support was great, but we hardly ever used it. We left the Red Hat ecosystem all together when they killed CentOS. It was a bad business decision on IBM's part. I suspect that they will have a short term gain, but long term people will be transitioning off.
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, this all basically started when they killed CentOS. It made total sense for non-prd environments. Definitely a valid prediction for short and long term growth, decline. I will be curious how it goes for the short and long term for them. IMO, with so many things going in the cloud or being containerized, I kinda wonder if there was going to be a decline anyways. Thanks for checking out the video, getting some insight from those in the business world is necessary to really fully see what is going to happen with this one.
@esra_erimez
Жыл бұрын
@@Vashinator7 I think you made an important point, Red Hat is nowhere on the cloud. So, this decision makes even less sense to be hostile to the few organizations that still use the product.
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
@@esra_erimez My head is saying they were trying to do something in the cloud, but given I can't remember what, I guess it isn't a big thing at this point. But yes, overall a bad move imo. Like I say, I wonder what (if any) numbers they have showing this is a good idea. The main point for this video though was to try to really provide contest for those outside the IT sector in business as I think there's a significantly different perception of RHEL when you see it running major systems for an enterprise.
@kuhluhOG
Жыл бұрын
@@esra_erimez yep, and for cloud native operating systems, stability like RHEL's isn't as needed you can see that with CentOS Stream (which gets used there surprisingly often) and SLE Micro (which is SUSE fastest growing product currently and its fastest ever growing product)
@errorsofmodernism7331
Жыл бұрын
Excellent hand waving technique
@DrD6452
Жыл бұрын
OpenBSD and FreeBSD fulfill all my needs now. When I learned IBM was buying RedHat my immediate reaction was, "Well shit, there goes CentOS."
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear OpenBSD and FreeBSD. I need to explore one of these at some point just to better understand some of the differences.
@realsifocopypaste
Жыл бұрын
if this redhet's strategy is success , the other floss (free libre open source software) will follow. if these happen ,someday we maybe must buy gnu linux stable distro to use, see and modify the source code. only unstable distro is free / floss :) even maybe we must buy stable lts linux kernel to use and modify the source code , only unstable linux kernel is free / floss :)
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's the most concerning part of it. However, the size of Red Hat makes this different than that of other companies that support FLOSS imho. But, yes, when someone gets bought out? I imagine we will see fears along these lines in the future.
@tipeon
Жыл бұрын
Well, this is the usual "let's be elitist, cater only to the big fish, and the rabble can go fuck itself". Oracle made the same choice some years ago. And now, everybody is moving away from Oracle... very slowly, but even the biggest companies are moving away. I have no doubt that it will be the same with RHEL
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
To be fair on the Oracle thing, companies may be moving away from them, but we would have to look at why. Is it because they are going to the cloud? Is it because they are going to SAAS? The other factor is the Oracle systems are often the front facing stuff. While this is purely a back end thing. This is not something executive leadership is going to care about, except maybe the CIO or CSO or an IT Director. But depending on what exactly the system is, RH may still be the best fit due to regulations, support, etc. I don't agree with the move, but I don't know that we will see some exodus thing.
@beginlinuxguru7354
Жыл бұрын
Good thoughts and commentary. But, I'd like to add another reason that companies like to use RHEL and RHEL clones that I haven't seen anyone else mention. That is, out of all Linux distros, RHEL and its various clones have the best out-of-box security experience. And, RHEL and its clones are the only Linux distros that provide an easy-to-use mechanism to achieve regulatory compliance, because they're the only distros that fully support OpenSCAP and its full range of SCAP profiles. Yeah, you can configure something like Debian to be secure, but it requires a lot more work and experimentation to get things right.
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
This is a good point. That's another aspect as to why some companies need RHEL or a clone. Thanks for mentioning this as I didn't realize the security aspect. But yes, especially when dealing with certain types of data, it can come with a lot of regulations/audits that have to be met.
@pctlc
Жыл бұрын
Geez that's a huge difference! thanks for the video and info mate!
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out Colin!
@Hellohellohello803
Жыл бұрын
But God tells us the earth is only 6000 years old so I dont know how this relates to the title. 🤔
@QuantumKurator
Жыл бұрын
Well stated.
@fredmon18
Жыл бұрын
A great job at explaining this.
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, definitely wanted to try to add more context for people that aren't in an enterprise environment.
@johnrieley1404
Жыл бұрын
Really good commentary, non-inflammatory. Blown out of size. RH blogs were clear to me, especially the point about non-value added rebuilders contributing little to nothing.
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, I still question the move, but ultimately wanted to try to provide more context on where Red Hat fits in. I can understand RH's perspective, but ultimately, would need to see a lot more data and info before I could say the move was justified.
@OASH_
Жыл бұрын
Actually, since that move, everywhere I go, I read that people are moving away, and most of them are not going to renew RHEL contracts, which is a very interesting result...!
@Joe-sn6ir
Жыл бұрын
you are WRONG. organizations that have RHEL contracts will continue.
@Vashinator7
Жыл бұрын
Supposing this is true, are they actually saying WHY they are moving? I have heard about some pretty big companies NOT renewing their RHEL contracts, but that was before this and some are theorizing that part of Red Hat's move is related to those companies not renewing. So that's why I wonder, if the companies were already moving away from RHEL or are you saying they are moving away from RHEL because of this. Personally, in my experience, for a bigger company, nothing that foundational would get changed in a week. Pure speculation, but I would suspect companies that move away from RHEL due to this won't be known for a while and the companies that are immediately reacting are either smaller, were already thinking about doing so or do not have RHEL as a major part of their infrastructure. It's of course, definitely possible there are big companies that have reacted to this quickly and have a mission or vision that largely includes open source, free software, etc. But this does not strike me as a common occurrence. All I can speak on is my experience though.
@OASH_
Жыл бұрын
@@Vashinator7 actually both :- ) My company reacted to this last action by RHEL, and they sent them an Email stating that, we have like 650 RHEL installations, so it is major.. add to it that people are getting more and more emotional especially after red hat has explained why it has done this. But generally speaking, I read a lot of comments that people are moving to Debian, thu I personally don't like it, but I have no choice if my company chooses it.
@milohoffman274
Жыл бұрын
@@Joe-sn6ir As a Linux architect in a Future 50, we will not drop using RHEL immediately, but I WILL stop recommending Red Hat solutions from this point forward, and I WILL start recommending other non-Red Hat solutions at every opportunity.
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