What I find somewhat ironic about his character and what he symbolizes is WHO he punishes. Everyone at Arkham is mentally unstable and are criminals yes, but he selects those that he has physical power over. Harley Quinn, Scarecrow, the Ventriloquist/Scarface are all physically weaker than him and can’t fight back without some sort of weapon. He chooses to physically and mentally abuse them. None of his examples include the big names like Joker, Two-Face, or Killer Croc. It’s not about punishing criminals that deserve it, it’s about control and the superiority he has over them. If he practiced what he preached, his methods would apply to every single criminal in Arkham
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
That's a great point! It really emphasises what a cowardly bully he is. It seems like his costume gives him the confidence to fight, although Batman deals with him pretty easily.
@darlalathan6143
Жыл бұрын
So, Lock-Up is also a bully?
@patrickmoler8025
Жыл бұрын
I never noticed this but it makes sense. Good eye.
@christopherauzenne5023
Жыл бұрын
@@SerumLakeI always took the reason they peeked these three was to show the flaws/greys of Bolton actions. If it was someone like joker or zsasz being punished by him, I’d doubt anyone would have gone against him with the horrible crimes they’ve done. But with people like Harley or the ventriloquist we know these are people who are just mentally unwell and need help. This is why I feel lock up should be used more because on some level it is insane the amount of times Arkham let prisoners escape or how unaffected gotham can be so we would want more control over these criminals but Bolton takes it to the extreme. He would also play an interesting role because he would also want to stop criminals escaping so he could both be a reluctant alley or enemy in a situation
@jacksonhopp2003
Жыл бұрын
Heaven forbid how he would react to Harley being Bi and having a relationship with Ivy. Actually, that would make a funny Harley Quinn tv series episode.
@tsyko9736
Жыл бұрын
While perhaps it's not intentional, Batman's costume showing his mouth (and also having prominent ears) reflects the idea that batman is a voice of the people, and listens to those who want to speak. See Baby Doll. Lock-Up, on the other hand, simply observes what he believes is good or bad and acts on it, often cruelly, without any idea of what is just or correct. Also police parallels but that's more of a Prometheus thing.
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
That's a great observation, thanks for sharing it!
@jbark678
Жыл бұрын
I think Lockup's vs Batman's eyes might be a riff on "justice is blind."
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
that's a good observation!
@RicardoSantos-oz3uj
Жыл бұрын
Lockup's is just a sadist. Is not even vengeance. As vengeance is to harm someone that harmed you. Is just sadism (getting pleasure on harming others). Batman has to do more with justice (to right a wrong) and a limited vengeance.
@brainstorm9560
Жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing
@22Tesla
7 ай бұрын
A very good observation (pun intended). But I want to add another interpretation: there is the saying that "the eyes are the windows into the soul." The way I see it, Batman's white eyes allow a certain edge to them. Because you can't see his eyes, you can't really tell what kind of man is under the cowl. He leaves his criminals guessing when he strikes them. But with Lockup's eyes, there is no questioning it: he's either going to kill you or he's going to torture you and he's going to enjoy every second of it. And that strikes fear of knowing what he's going to do, unlike Batman who leaves you in the dark.
@umjammerlammy9993
4 ай бұрын
I also feel it might be evocative of the eyes from 1984. Big Brother, always watching
@PFish2322
Жыл бұрын
Lock-Up is basically what the people who criticize and don't know who Batman is think Batman is. One thing I loved about the animated series is how they don't use Arkham Asylum as just a stand in for a prison, it actually is a mental ward for sick patients (Killer Croc isn't even put in Arkham because he's found to be cognizant of his wrong doings) and so when there is someone who is terrorizing the patients that, realistically, is seen as an awful awful thing.
@milli5968
11 ай бұрын
Killer croc has been put in arkham though. He was there in Trial
@piretiris8223
10 ай бұрын
Did you forget to upload?
@ngrjordi2352
10 ай бұрын
Yeah, even in TNBA he gets transported to prison after being declared sane
@yeetthefeet2504
8 ай бұрын
Lock-Up is like the Batman universe's equivalent to Rorschach from Watchmen, in terms of methods and general attitude towards criminality.
@magicaltour1
7 ай бұрын
@@milli5968Arkham seems to have more high-tech facilities than normal prisons. Mr. Freeze is in Arkham, and he’s not insane. Plus, that episode hinted Croc was being moved to normal prison before Baby Doll freed him.
@empatheticrambo4890
Жыл бұрын
I think Lockup’s costume is intentionally an extreme version of police swat armor in the show
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
Yes, he definitely views himself as being the ultimate authority, and isn’t afraid of getting his hands dirty.
@patrickmoler8025
Жыл бұрын
@@SerumLake that and much like Robocop before it shows the militarization of police in Americs.
@darlalathan6143
Жыл бұрын
It also seems inspired by Nineties Antihero costumes in Image Comics line. The Dark Age '80s and '90s had lots of killer superheroes.
@empatheticrambo4890
Жыл бұрын
@@darlalathan6143 i can see that!
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
@@darlalathan6143 Yes, very true. He wouldn't be out of place in some of those comics. I could see him as part of Youngblood or something :D
@Autistic_Changeling
Жыл бұрын
Drowning is one of the worst ways to go. There's panic, the feeling of your lungs burning as you try to hold on for as long as possible, and then the realization that you're dead as you finally run out of air. There's also that, despite common myth, witches were more often drowned. There could be other reasons, but that's what I thought of.
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
That’s a good point. It’s slow, traumatic, and sadistic. Right up Lock-Up’s alley.
@dansmith16
6 ай бұрын
No one was ever worse off with the removal of witches. A series of bad things had to happen in the first place.
@dr.archaeopteryx5512
4 ай бұрын
@@dansmith16 Moron thinks the witch hunts targeted actual witches? Lmao
@austinreed7343
Ай бұрын
@@dansmith16 Except maybe the witches themselves.
@54raynor
11 ай бұрын
“Another villain made possible by a grant from the Wayne Foundation.”
@emanuelrojas2
3 ай бұрын
To be fair, he did seem disturbed long before his introduction to Arkam.
@sab3redg333
Ай бұрын
i find it funny how the people who often crtizite batman often end up describing the character of lock up instead of batman
@beastmaster0934
6 ай бұрын
The fact that even SCARECROW is scared of this guy. That just proves how much of a monster he is.
@kevinwalker6840
22 күн бұрын
I think its pretty clear that all of the villions biggest fear is consequences of actions.
@kobayashi1194
6 ай бұрын
Lockup would have been right at home in a Batman Arkham game. Chiefly Arkham City. He could’ve been his own boss fight with him perhaps working as Strange’s right hand man.
@ricardomartinez8430
Ай бұрын
Welp the new vr Batman game showed him off
@Duraganthelion
11 ай бұрын
I really liked the idea of a darker more torturous version of Batman with a character like Lock-Up. Whereas Batman will use questionable methods on criminals to get him information, he still knows how to hold back and not to go overboard, Lock-Up isn't afraid to break people for his own twisted sense of justice and protection. To me, you CAN in a way understand his ideas with how deranged and remorseless the villains of Batman's universe often are and that you could make the argument of 'En eye for an eye' with Lyle going to the methods he uses, but he only falls to their level and goes beyond in his twisted crusade for some form of justice. Batman would never allow himself to reach that point, as he knows exactly what would come next if he did.
@DoratTheKiller
7 ай бұрын
I think that's what the Arkham Knight should've been
@yourstruly754
4 ай бұрын
I think the metaphor here with his eyes being visible in contrast to Batman’s mouth, is that Lock-Up sees no deeper than the surface of his perception and judges all those that fall beneath his cruel gaze. In contrast, Batman’s mouth being visible symbolizes that he believes in diplomacy and reform. Justice is traditionally seen as blind, blind as a bat is. Lock-Up sees all and resents what he perceives whereas Batman deals out judgement and parley with even those that society sees as irredeemable scum.
@bobsempletank5362
10 ай бұрын
I'd argue that Lockup's eyes being exposed shows his corrupted view of justice- Batman's eyes are hidden because justice is blind- furthermore, his mouth is exposed because justice is meant to speak for those without a voice. In contrast, Lockup's eyes are exposed, showing how his view of justice is very biased. His mouth is obscured, however, showing how he doesn't care to give anyone a voice, nor reason or express verbal compassion, rather simply only focusing on punishment. Also, I feel like a part of Lockup's character is definitely going after Frank Miller's version of Batman in the Dark Knight Returns series. This overwhelmingly fascist take on justice reeks of that interpretation of batman- furthermore, all the people that demographics that Frank Miller attacks in the Dark Knight Returns- "left wing" liberal media, rehabilitative progressive psychiatrists, less brutal police forces and so on all fall victim to Lockup. He definitely feels like a jab at Frank Miller's Batman writing- like a physical manifestation of his writing being put up against the actual batman, and not the fascist one he created. Great video!
@theyakkoman
Жыл бұрын
Been rewatching the whole Animated Series recently since I bougth the Bluray-collection this year, and I remember when I came across this episode that I thought "Huh, this is kind of a neat idea. How to make a "Batman, but too far..." Kind of like The Punisher, but make it fit in a PG rated cartoon." Because while I appreciated the effort and intentions behind Bolton as a character, I never really cared for the execution. They were simply put limited by the PG rating. But the vigilante who still believes in reform and the basis of the law vs one who goes full killer is an interesting one. I love it when Daredevil and The Punisher duke it out (their scene on the roof-top in Netflix Daredevil series is great), and it always seemed to me that Batman would benefit from his own Punisher like villain (and a Kingpin one for that matter, too). That's one of the reasons I love the Under the Red Hood movie, since Jason more or less becomes a Punisher style vigilante in that film. That, with the extra bonus of being one of Batmans failures (similar to his loss of his friend Harvey Dent) it adds a great deal of drama. I actually find it a pity that they redeemed Red Hood so fast in the comics. There are a lot of story potential with him as a villain/uneasy ally to the Batfamily than a straight up member of it. (I still like him as the Raphael of the Bat-family so to speak. I just whished we got more stories with him toeing the line before being redeemed first). So, yeah. Bolton is an interesting idea, but fails. And I guess it's because I find it unbelievable that someone who wants to go "tough on crime" and then feel like the system failed them after their overly harsh methods are criticised and they are punished for it, it just seems more likely that they would go full-on Punisher and murder the criminals or representatives of the "system" than build their own jail to keep them locked up. Just seems like unnecessary extra steps.
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
That's a fair assessment - I think Lock-Up has some severe control issues, which is why he wants to imprison people, rather than murder them outright. He must know that murder is wrong, and he thinks of himself as a good buy, but when the going gets tough it seems like his first course of action is to drown his prisoners. He is definitely very complex.
@lordskeletor4558
10 ай бұрын
At this point there are too many punisher style batmans
@nigel_saxon
6 ай бұрын
You want to feel bad for Scarecrow but then you remember what he did in Arkham Knight
@MisterSandmanAU
6 ай бұрын
Arkham isn't canon to the DCAU what are you talking about
@dansmith16
6 ай бұрын
@@MisterSandmanAU Making apologies for criminals is what enables more crime. Doesn't matter if it is canon.
@changvasejarik62
5 ай бұрын
I have a similar disdain for Harley, the show wanted us to see her as more than a henchgirl but I lost all sympathy after return of the joker. Considering what her grandkids would go on to do as well, I almost root for Bolton at the beginning. Really the only inmate I felt sorry for was arnold, simply because without scarface he’s mostly harmless.
@nigel_saxon
5 ай бұрын
@@MisterSandmanAU Regardless if it's cannon or not it's hard to have sympathy for a villain like Crane. And keep in mind Crane was planning on poisoning Gotham with fear gas in the "Dreams of Darkness" episode.
@Two-iy7nn
29 күн бұрын
Lockup isn't someone I can really sympathize with either. Scarecrow isn't a good person at all, but Arnold was an old man with a mental illness that made him suffer since he doesn't think he has control over Scarface and Harley is a naive woman being manipulated by the person she's in love with getting literally thrown off buildings by him. He's just as bad as Scarecrow in my opinion. Especially since really he doesn't do it for justice, if he did he'd be torturing the likes of Joker or more physically menacing villains like Bane or Killer Croc, instead he acts like a bully. In my opinion, in morale he's just as bad as Scarecrow
@davidtaylorthekingofcoolre1912
4 ай бұрын
Its a crime that lock up is only in one episode such a good character i love this guy
@thesmilyguyguy9799
4 ай бұрын
Yes
@barkbork7528
7 ай бұрын
I like the irony of the one with unconcealed eyes being worse at judging right and wrong.
@MuriloAraújo-j2x
7 ай бұрын
Technically thats exactly what serum is doing in this video.
@ElishaFollet
6 ай бұрын
@@MuriloAraújo-j2xhow so?
@elchjol2777
2 ай бұрын
I like Lockup as a villain despite how one note he is. He is emblematic of the corruption in Gotham's law enforcement and justice system. He is a power trip in human form,yet doesn't seem to have any powers of his own being just a man.
@gwave0308
11 ай бұрын
I would've loved him to appear in the arkham games, especially in Arkham City. I definitely saw him being a boss and as hugo strange main henchmen. Sadly, he didn't even as an Easter egg.
@Victor-qx3vx
11 ай бұрын
I want him as Higo Strange’s henchman in a movie. He is pretty much a better version of Max Cort, Strange’s pawn from “Batman: Prey”.
@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943
10 ай бұрын
Technically he actually was secretly mentioned in Origins. His name is on a file somewhere in Blackgate Penitentiary. I like to think he becomes Lock Up after Knight
@azeemtravadi6128
2 ай бұрын
Lockup is how modern "gritty and realistic" writers try to depict Batman
@Jurgan6
10 ай бұрын
I wonder if Lockup was an inspiration for Quincy Sharp in the Arkham games. Both are officials at Arkham who decide the system is too lenient and brutalize the inmates.
@FrozenJack2007
9 ай бұрын
thats an interesting idea... paul dini wrote that game too.
@koichidignitythief7429
4 ай бұрын
I think they gave him a Baclava because it's part of a typical army/military police gear. And the drowning thing being a commentary on waterboarding as common a method of torture by the US government.
@ianyoder2537
10 ай бұрын
Here's an idea from an armature writer. What if lock up is a fan of Batman and is intentionally trying to emulate him. He see's how batman cleans up the streets with fear, and how he vehemently sticks to his no killing rule. So in a situation where batman is out of the picture for some reason Lockup tries to fill the the void, then when Batman returns and confronts him about his crimes we can really see a cognitive dissonance split. Or he could be a member of the suicide squad. Some one who strangely enough sought out to be part of the team.
@MegaFafnir
7 ай бұрын
"We could have made our own order!" "I was born to fight your brand of order!"
@Kpimpmaster
5 ай бұрын
I think Lockup would work well under Amanda Waller
@jordanloux3883
5 ай бұрын
Honestly it would be hilarious to see him butting heads with Peacemaker.
@thesmilyguyguy9799
4 ай бұрын
Yes
@The_Phantasm
Жыл бұрын
I'm currently doing a full re-watch of the DCAU and finished Batman the Animated Series (in production order) a few weeks ago, along with Mask of the Phantasm and Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero and even watched the cutscenes from the game The Adventures of Batman and Robin (which has surprisingly amazing animation and visuals by the way) which some consider to be the lost episode of the Animated Series. Right now I'm re-reading all the tie-in comics like The Batman Adventures, The Batman and Robin Adventures, the comic version of Mask of the Phantasm and SubZero etc. and a lot of stuff you recommended in one of your videos (thank you very much for that by the way) and then moving on to Superman the Animated Series and then The New Batman Adventures. Lock-Up was one of the last episodes I saw and honestly it started off with potential but for me it really dragged in the middle and ended pretty anticlimactically however I did like at the very end when he ended up in Arkham. One more thing I didn't necessarily care for was how feeble and cowardly they portrayed Scarecrow. I get they were trying to hype up Bolton by basically saying that if the self-proclaimed master of fear is afraid of him then he must be a big deal, but ultimately I think it just made Scarecrow seem less of a threat. It's really a shame too because after Dreams in Darkness, Scarecrow barely had any appearances. Honestly for me some of his most memorable appearances where in the Batman Adventures comics. I especially love the one where Jonathan Crane just wanted to go back to teaching but ultimately ended up falling back to his old ways when one of his students was being abused and sought to torture her abuser and I honestly think that if expanded a bit more it would have made a really great episode. Maybe even the best Scarecrow episode in the Animated Series (at least prior to his perfected design and characterization in TNBA). Regardless I'm still extremely grateful that we got his revamped version from The New Batman Adventures which was really an improvement on every level and Never Fear along with Over the Edge are some of my all-time favourite DCAU episodes.
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
As much as I love BTAS, you’re right, they didn’t always get the most out of the villains. However, for every time they missed the mark we have stories like Heart of Ice, Two-Face, Almost Got ‘Im, and Feat of Clay.
@The_Phantasm
Жыл бұрын
@@SerumLake I know you have said that for you your least favourite episode of the Animated Series is I've Got Batman in my Basement, but on a rewatch, I personally couldn't stand the episode Cat Scratch Fever. I didn't find the story interesting at all, the animation was just awful (some of AKOM's worst work) and I was never more compelled to just look at my phone out of boredom, which I did so much I had to watch the episode again. While that may have been my least favourite episode, the only episode I genuinely nodded off while watching was The Terrible Trio.
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
I have to say that I don’t mind The Terrible Trio. I wouldn’t put it on a best episode list though! Regarding Cat Scratch Fever, I agree that it’s not a good episode. If I did a bottom 10 episodes it’d be on the list!
@johnwells5414
Жыл бұрын
I always saw potential in this character. If he wasn’t so on the nose I think he could make an interesting cinematic villain. Not the main villain of course, but as a henchman.
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree. As he is it’d be very hard to sustain a lengthy story with him as the main antagonist. He definitely wold be suitable as the villain in a TV show two-parter though. I’m a little surprised he never showed up in the Arrowverse.
@johnwells5414
Жыл бұрын
@@SerumLake That is a good point! He would have been a great antagonist for Oliver! Maybe Superman and Lois will have some kind of Batman spin-off that he could show up in.
@zemox2534
Жыл бұрын
@John Wells Superman already has a villain similar to look up. He is the Super Jailer. I think Lock up may have been partially inspired by him.
@christopherauzenne5023
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think part of why I find him so interesting is on some small level we kinda agree with him. He is right when he says Arkham is just a revolving door with the amount of times the super criminals escape and looking at crimes joker, riddler and others have caused and get away with there is some small part that wishes they would locked up or Gotham actually doing more. But at the same time there’s Harley, the ventriloquist or Humpty Dumpty who are just mentally disturbed people who do need compassion. The character does have a well of potential if you look
@johnnyzero8853
14 күн бұрын
Lyle Bolton aka Lock Up would’ve love to work at Arkham City as the head of TYGER security and Hugo Strange’s right hand man
@MrJamesDuffy
Жыл бұрын
In my own head canon, Lock-Up was a father, father-figure, mentor, and/or inspiration to a young Stanley Labowski, aka Mad Stan, from Batman Beyond.
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
That would certainly make sense to me
@jaredgarcia8638
Жыл бұрын
Are you certain? I kinda thought of mad stan as a left wing extremist, while lock up was a right wring extremists
@MrJamesDuffy
Жыл бұрын
@@jaredgarcia8638 Yup. And yes, they are indeed of opposite ideologies but I think they share the same fanatical drive for societal reform, not on the level of individuals as Batman does but of entire systems and structures. Again, this is only my head canon. The divergence and juxtaposition of their views could make for a story point for a more talented writer than myself.
@jaredgarcia8638
Жыл бұрын
@@MrJamesDuffy you know, of you break into wb animation or dc comics, make it real.
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
I started watching Peaky Blinders recently and they described the political spectrum as a circle, rather than a line. If you head off in one direction, you'll end up meeting up with the other side when you go too far. I thought that was quite clever.
@williamr.c.4168
Жыл бұрын
I actually agreed with Bolton up until he started jailing civilians for almost no reason. I like Batman as much as the next guy but his rogue’s gallery deserves every bad thing they get and we all know it.
@delvin0965
6 ай бұрын
The difference between them is that lock up wants an excuse to be his worst self while Batman tries to beat some sense till they worn out their villainous impulses.
@ZX-Gear
6 ай бұрын
Which one works?
@yeeessimusprime3422
7 ай бұрын
Great video as always. I would say you said some things that I disagree with. Yeah it’s politics, yeah……….. I wouldn’t say many on the right have a simplistic view on life, my family is very conservative on both my dads and moms side and we often talk about it. We do see the parts of gray in between the black and white and the majority of the right don’t just try to lock everything away. I would say he’s far far right, and in my opinion just like someone who is far far left have a very simplistic view on life, neither is good and often times they can not bring themselves to understand the others side, or at least hear them out even.
@babbit09
9 ай бұрын
Isn't viewing a character as either left or right, by your definition in this video, a simplistic black and white worldview thing to do that right wingers tend to do?
@SerumLake
9 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t say so, no.
@crispychips7161
7 ай бұрын
Well, there you have it. The good old "it's totally different when I do it." Argument.
@SerumLake
7 ай бұрын
@@crispychips7161 not at all. This was, what, two sentences in an 8 minute video about a character that was written as a criticism of right wing ideology. Additionally one of those sentences was a joke mocking Fox News. It is a generalisation, yes, but is not comparable to an ideology. Let’s compare who is harmed by my light mocking with people who are harmed every day by conservative policies. Hopefully you see the difference now.
@crispychips7161
7 ай бұрын
@@SerumLake oh, I get the joke. i hear it meny times "my political opponents are evil terrorists. Laugh." This seems less like a funny joke and more like you trying to pass a narrative. Jesus, the title of the video is called "the right wing batman "with the thumbnail boldly saying "fascist" You don't even use evidence for what makes bolton fascistic other than hateing criminals and being a corrupt enforcer. You quote nothing in the video that directly implies he's a fascist I haven't heard him spout fascist doctrine or an interview implying he's a fascist. Just the underlying premise of him bullying and murdering criminals and these "jokes." Sprinkled across your video. Also, that wessley response you made in your last comment I'd just like to address. Yeah, no shit you do less damage than a whole ass political movement that wasn't the comments original point. he was pointing out that you have the same black and white worldview that you attribute to violent fascists. Not a good look.
@samuelskinner7704
6 ай бұрын
@@SerumLake 'A Stalin functionary admitted, Innocent people were arrested: naturally - otherwise no one would be frightened. If people were arrested only for specific misdemeanours, all the others would feel safe and so become ripe for treason.' -Paul Johnson When the police officers are right wing, tough on crime is a right wing position and the left is anarchists. When the police officers are left wing, tough on crime is a left wing position and the right is libertarian. It has nothing to do with ideology- it is the purest expressions of Lenin's 'who/whom'.
@dominicsmith5588
10 ай бұрын
The problem with Lock Up as I see it, is that in Universe fictional limitations of the story tropes work against a moral condemnation of the character. In the real world, the number of inmates who successfully break out of prison is pretty much non-existent from a statistical standpoint, in the fictional world of BTAS however this is simply not the case. The charismatic villeins of the show have to keep escaping from Arkham again and again and again so that Batman can defeat them in entertaining stories. This is all fine as far as entertainment goes, you turn a blind eye to the revolving door of escapes and that fact that Arkham seems incapable of tightening security for those stories as part of your suspension of disbelief but when you have a story that draws attention to it, the whole thing begins to fall apart. While there was censorship in the cartoon regarding what they could show, canonically most of Batman's rouge gallery are murders with many being depraved and psychotic, The Scarecrow literally just wants to torture people, violating their bodies in the name of his insane obsession with fear. In the real world, if we had someone like the Scarrow, a man who was fixated with torturing people, with some dying in his experiments and he was to keep breaking out of prison over a dozen times to carry this out, the public outcry over the complete and total failure of the prison authorities to keep the public safe would be such that the prison would at the very least be taken over by the Government who would send in the military to secure the facility with the administration facing jail time themselves for their failures. You then multiply this with all the number members of the Rouge's Gallery and it becomes even more clear just how utterly farcical the situation is. As I said, you can ignore this all in the name of fun stories, but if the show itself wants you to focus on it in a story about it, we then have a problem in that the logic of the show, unintentionally validates Bolton's perspective in a way that would not be in the real world. I've already talked about suspension shattering issue of the non-stop escapes but lets also look at another aspect, the issue of punishment/revenge vs reform/rehabilitation. Again we run into the problem of the fictional limits of the Universe, Batman's Rouge Gallery can't be 'cured' or 'reformed' because then he would not have these characters to fight in his dramatic stories, what is worse, you have the example of The Scarecrow in this story, who all the psychologists were never able to reach, never once make him want to stop brutalising and killing people...and the first and ONLY time we see him claim he was going to give up doing it...was in response to his fear at going back to Arkham and suffering violence and abuse from Bolton, thus validating him as being in the right. This is the ultimate failure of the episode, given the logic of the show we are presented with only 2 binary choices. 1. Uncurable and unreformable villeins will escape from Arkham weeks or months after they are put away to go out and inflict horror on innocent people. 2. Said villein's are kept inside by having their doors electrified (does I might add that they are not supposed to be using outside of designed times because, you know, they are in prison and strapping them to their beds. Yes in the real world there are other options, countries like Norway have among the highest success rates at preventing re-offending though building criminals up as human beings with extremely compassionate conditions and making them feel like they can take part in society etc. But that option is not on the table in this show, we are only given the above two options and the episode expects us to except the continued suffering and murder of innocent people to avoid minimal human rights abuses (remember at no point do we see a single inmate with a burse or a single accusation of direct physical violence on Bolton's part) as the moral choice. As I said, the limitation is built into the logic of the show in order to have Batman keep fighting these iconic villeins so it can't offer us a prison that is both highly secure and does not have any kind of inhuman treatment towards prisoners and a successful treatment and rehabilitation. For this reason I don't think the episode should have been made if it's simply unworkable given these built in show limitations where Batman has to keep fighting these same villeins over and over again, it breaks suspension to draw attention to it. If you are insistent in making this episode, then you have to follow though and go deeper than the show was realistically ever going to go. Have Batman question the utterly broken system of Arkham this is unable to keep criminals secure or reform them. First you would have to offer an explanation as to why it's so utterly broken and not working so that you do not unintentionally validate Bolton's view. One idea could be a conspiracy involving corruption at the highest level with Batman exposing it and having Arkham being completely restructured and the show making a bold and radical commitment to stop using the classic rouges gallery who are either properly secure in this new reformed Arkham or being actually rehabilitated for real with writers coming up with new, original, characters to replace them. With their being no chance the writers of the show would do this though given the popularity of these rouge gallery villeins, I do think that, as much as you can gain enjoyment from the episode when watched on a superficial level, the problems it presents when you think about it's ideas on a deeper level in relation to the in-Universe fictional limitations of the show, it simply does more harm than good and makes Batman look like a fool for choosing to blindly keep supporting the broken state of Arkham.
@ZX-Gear
6 ай бұрын
I was with you till your brought up the Norwegian Prison System. You ever heard and Anders Behring Breivik? That dude has the highest score amongst single killer Mass Shooters and last time he was checked in on,he was not the least bit sorry about what he did and acts like he still has rights and demands the government there to get him better books to read cause he is bored.
@dev5764
4 ай бұрын
I very much agree with your take.
@dominicsmith5588
2 ай бұрын
@@ZX-Gear My point of bringing up the Norwegian prison system was not about saying that outliers like Anders and other irredeemable, unreformable sociopaths, because yes I expect the uncomfortable reality that some people will never feel remorse for their crimes and reintegrate into society, getting such a comfortable time in prison was in any way compatible with "natural justice" in relation to their crimes. I was only referring to their approach statistically higher success rate in reforming and reintegrating people who are not complete evil monsters. Ultimately this raises a wider question about where you think priorities and objects of prison should be. Do we see prison a primarily about being a form justice for the victims of crimes and deterrent so the focus should be about making prison as unpleasant as possible? The positive side of this is the feeling of the victims and the victims close friends and families that justice was done giving them some level psychological closure. I personally am not convinced deterrent works as in my view most criminals do not weight up in their mind some logical risk/reward equation in their mind that harsher prison conditions would be factor in their decision to commit the crimes, but instead they either don't think at all in the moment or they simply convince themselves they wont get caught etc. The drawback, as I've said, is making prison Hell and messing up the heads of prison inmates further rather than the focus being compassion, reform and integration, leads to higher re-offending rates which impacts on the new victims. What is the priority? Do we sacrifice the victims of the crimes of unreformed criminals because of our desire for revenge against them for their previous crimes? I can only speak for myself of course, but as someone who has suffered the pain of terrible loss, my focus and desire is for society to adapt whatever methods in it's prison system that are statically most likely to prevent such pain in other people. Of course I'm no Saint, I'm only human, if someone murdered the person I am closest too and for the sake of this hypothetical they were not a monster like Anders who would never show remorse or be reformed, would I "like" the idea they were being treated with such compassion rather than being punished? Of course not, it would burn like molten steal placed against my skin, I'd be angry, I'd want them to suffer for the pain they caused me. But I know myself to know that, eventually, months or years down the line, I would be able to let go of it and my desire would be that the prison system adopt the approach that was most likely to make them reform and not kill again and bring that pain I felt towards other people. Of course it's not a binary choice between two extremes, could for example have a prison system that adopts a dule approach, using methods of compassionate reform against most criminals, putting the needs to protect future victims first, while going full North Korean gulag on absolute scum like Anders who will never reform or any other variation you can think of reflecting your personal moral values. All this is to say I don't have definitive answers to this issues, in part because I don't think there is on, prisons and the polices their peruse are social institutions are not a maths equation with a definitive answer, but rather constantly changing and adaptive that should, under ideal circumstances strike a balance between the general moral consensus and the higher values of society with a constant and ongoing debate regarding where those lines should be continually redrawn to best reflect that. In any case, I appreciate your prise for my main thesis in the post regarding how, really, the real issue is the built in limitations of the show mean it was impossible to make the wider political commentary about prison the writers wanted to tell work and in fact it unintentionally works against the messaging they wanted to tell.
@ZX-Gear
2 ай бұрын
@dominicsmith5588 Maybe there is a growing number of people who want a society of safety rather than freedom especially the disastrous consequences of unchecked freedom we have seen of recently? Call it complacency but people these days don't feel safe and would gladly trade their freedoms to be able to walk the streets without the risk of needing to call an ambulance in city areas.
@absolutefocus2749
2 ай бұрын
@@dominicsmith5588Finally someone who gets it. While I disagree with some of your notions regarding the efficacy of reform. Youve hit the nail on the head 100% with the show's format painting Bruce as wrong. This is most blatantly seen with batman beyond, where its shown Batman has become jaded, lost his company and in the end he only ever alleviated the symptoms, and never was able to cure Gotham, his broken ideology still being used by Terry where the loop will probably repeat with Terry taking on a mentoring role in the future to some upstart. The show needs villains therefore Gotham will always have crime. Even if they never reused rogues, as said, you need villains therefore youll always have Gotham seem like its filled with crime. You either can have batman win in the end. OR Make there be significant jumps in time between encounters as time goes on, in the begining Batman is resting every day while near the end of the show while crime isnt solved, its more a monthly excercise Batman goes on. OR you can just not focus on trying to tell a story YOUR OWN STORY STRUCTURE DOESNT ALLOW YOU TO TELL. Why would you make a movie saying music is bad, but have the movie be a musical, its nonsensical. Batman due its format cant be a vehicle to try and tell stories about reform unless youre really gona change the foundation.
@RoninRen
9 ай бұрын
Something I thought on about, with the character Lock-Up, and a Superman character from the episode Prototype, I think his name was Sergeant Mills, basically that combined both kind of gave off Judge Dredd vibes(in the homage sense)
@iseehowitis9382
7 ай бұрын
Unnerving to see the scarecrow afraid? No sir. I was rather pleased to see the master of fear shaking in his boots over this massive monstrosity of a man. Lock-up has his flaws, but so to do we all.
@hyperburno7310
2 ай бұрын
What is blud yapping about, Scare crow gasses a whole city in arkham knight. Of course different scare crow, but like still i'd treat him like shit if he seemingly endangered everyone and everything i know
@-._Radixerus_.-
2 ай бұрын
He ALMOST gasses a whole city in the show as well.
@hyperburno7310
2 ай бұрын
@@-._Radixerus_.- My point exactly, joker still casually takes over gothem killing multiple people to do so, Joker is always threating something extreme like bombing the city in justice league
@michaellynes3540
2 ай бұрын
Robin: That Bolton’s a 10 on the Creep-O-Meter. But it seems like he’s doing a good job keeping the inmates in check. Batman: Maybe too good.
@AlexReynard
4 ай бұрын
I just watched this episode and knew immediately why there's been so little from this character since. *He comes off as primarily a spiteful strawman and not a human being.* There's a few scant moments where the writers empathize with his character, but for the most part, he's just spitting out bumper sticker slogans the whole episode. For a villain like this to work, you have to show what motivates someone like this. More than just rage, it's a misaimed compassion for victims of crime, channeled into rage that, 'Somebody should be doing something to stop this!!' It's an inability to _stop_ blaming. He should make unarguably correct points that nevertheless make you feel uncomfortable. A villain like Lock-Up should make you root for him at first, then despise yourself later for doing so. He should embody the trope of, 'Your ideas are correct, but you are a man too twisted to be allowed to decide who to force them on.' The episode at least understood enough to contrast Lock-Up's self-righteous rage against Batman's compassion, but they really could have leaned into this and made Batman have to *defend* why he has hope and gives people second chances.
@absolutefocus2749
2 ай бұрын
The show runners couldnt defend Batmans viewpoint as either they think its wrong, or they couldnt continue to tell any stories if Batman was correct. Batman beyond shows us that bruce's opinions and methods were merely alleviating the symptoms, he never cured Gotham, lost his company and became jaded. By all measures Bruce was a failure.
@dkupke
18 күн бұрын
I’d argue for Lockup in season 2 of Caped Crusader, with some minor adjustments. For the setting they’ve introduced, Lyle Bolton could be that rarity in Gotham, a cop who is incorruptible, almost a light of hope at first glance. But his approach to the law is so unforgiving, so I flexible, and so heavy handed that he ends up being just as bad as any gangster.
@Garinovitch
Жыл бұрын
I feel the biggest irony is that if this character was present today, despite the critiques the character poses, it would fly over people's heads and Luck-Up would be very much adored.
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
Sadly, it wouldn’t surprise me either!
@diegodunn-humphrey512
Жыл бұрын
Crazy steve exists
@Slick-Salamander
Жыл бұрын
Do you mean "The Punisher"?
@Markm8
Жыл бұрын
@@Slick-Salamanderyep
@Garinovitch
Жыл бұрын
@@Slick-Salamander Not quite. Lock-Up is more politically driven and targeted people like the media worker and an honest police office that he deemed weren't good enough or problem he didn't like. Where as Punisher dealt with the sickest of bastards that avoid getting punished by the long arm of the law or even the corrupt officials in power. I can understand how similar they would be, however Punisher doesn't like cops where as Lock-Up wants cops to be more like him. Lock-Up didn't even target the Joker, but Punisher would make a beeline for Joker.
@FalkVonKrone
Жыл бұрын
I joke around with a friend who started to show me all the DC stuff (Never had interest in Super Heroes) and I said after the episode ,,What if he was the Arkham Knight?"
@hadensasser4937
5 ай бұрын
I feel that he would maybe work better as a Green Arrow villain rather than a Batman villain. Green Arrow is a pretty liberal guy, and having him fight a villain with authoritarian views makes sense.
@winterhaydn
5 ай бұрын
Lock-up: This prison is too "woke"! *goes berserk*
@-._Radixerus_.-
2 ай бұрын
problem, libtard? too... EDGY for you?? (killing scarecrow with a knife) problem WOKEOID??
@anthonyjenkins2001
Жыл бұрын
One of the best episodes of the show and tbh Lyle Bolton should've been the ARKHAM KNIGHT!
@Shuichisaihara5499
Ай бұрын
The part about Bolton that makes him scarier is that people like him still exist. People who believe in that same “spare the Rod spoil the child” mentality towards the people in their care
@ectscchannel2660
28 күн бұрын
You do be surprised to know that majority world population thinks like that
@jackofallclaws6672
4 ай бұрын
I get the feeling that Lock-Up would probably become good friends with Marshall Law.
@michaelandreipalon359
Жыл бұрын
Underutilized villain, yeah, but what we got from his single appearance is admittedly enough to make him an iconic one-shot DCAU character. Honestly think that he would fit right in with the New Breed of Kingdom Come, what with his necessary pacification skills... too bad said skills were used against the wrong people in a hypocritical fashion (seriously, for one, just jail the sensationalist news editors, not spokespeople like Summer Gleason). In short, I really sympathize with his pre-Lock-Up opinions that the Rogues Gallery deserve a just means to permanently silence them lest the revolving door of Arkham free them temporarily once more... that's why I actually admire characters like the Red Hood and the Comedian, *for at least they finish the job whilst lessening the costs of the future.* "Well-Intentioned Extremist/Knight Templar" types exude a sense of surprising purity to people like me, regardless if they're fact or fictional.
@superoriginalusername.
23 күн бұрын
I'd like to share some thoughts about Lock-Up's design, specifically the mask that you mentioned. Like people have already commented, his design resembles police/SWAT gear, but I think the mask could also share a concept with Lady Liberty being potrayed with a blindfold. Batman's eyes are covered as he only judges people's actions, while Lock-Up's eyes are the only part shown of him, as he only judges people based on his first thoughts of them. Like you said, a character like him doesn't see any gray area, there's right and wrong and the wrong can never be anything besides wrong
@ixrer
Ай бұрын
Huh, sorting by new was an experience. The fascists in your comments are... interesting. Edit: BTW, incase any of you fashies decide to get bashy... you giving me attention just encourages me :3
@Postaldude505
Ай бұрын
"Fashie" lmao get a grip
@burner555
Ай бұрын
@@Postaldude505 fell for the bait
@mrbust999
29 күн бұрын
How exactly am I a fascist? Leftists truly brain dead.
@Nemo12417
Ай бұрын
So, you've analyzed animated shows, but something similar to this I feel would be the Punisher's first ever appearance. It was in a Spiderman comic where he believed Jameson's lies about Spiderman, and so tried to kill him. It might be an earlier comic, but in a time when the superhero no kill rule is being picked apart (for better and for worse), it never hurts to understand why that rule exists in the first place.
@forbiddennotes3964
4 ай бұрын
This villain is a well written example of Ideologies taken to a far extreme.
@sophieprime4669
2 ай бұрын
I don't think he is an anarchist...
@SaffronicSaffron
12 күн бұрын
Your reviews and analysis from episodes of the show are amazing, honestly, I feel like you'd be cool if we got a revival of the character in a new show, even if just to explore him and his reflection of batman more. but I just got to ask what is the end music at the end of the video?
@wobblewokgaming655
9 күн бұрын
I love how it's Arnold that speaks up first when Bruce proposes an extension for Lyle Bolton's stay.
@andrewadachi9306
7 ай бұрын
I just began to realise that in none of the batman movies batman shows the same amount of compation to the criminals as he does in the DCAU . Mostly they make him fight villains who are evil beyond redemption or not as sympathetic as they are in the comics . Also the mortality rate of the villains is pretty low all things considered. I really hope that they bring more of the compatinat side of batman in the future. Also great video
@creed8712
7 ай бұрын
Most of batmans villains are irredeemable bastards. Remember, the animated Harley helped do things to a child worse than Bolten ever did
@OniCamoGaming
5 ай бұрын
I heard the other day that one way some individuals get rid of nuisance critters is by drowning. I personally find the idea to be quite upsetting and I would never condone of that. But I wonder if that has something to do with Lockup's MO in the comics... like a way of disposing of 'vermin'..?
@michaelreynolds6710
Ай бұрын
I would actually say that BTAS made mr freeze considering he was called mr zero and was completely remade until Batman and robin were they bring back the puns
@fnafbendyranger123x
23 күн бұрын
Lock up is probably one of my favorite underrated Batman villains, I would love to see him in a future Batman series, make it happen caped crusader!
@HotelKatz
10 ай бұрын
Very interesting video. I would like to point out that I'm not defending Lock-Up, but when Scarecrow was being brought to Arkham Asylum in the beginning, he said that he wasn't going to commit any more crimes this time... but he was wearing his Scarecrow costume. To me, that suggests that Dr. Crane really was planning on committing more crimes. I honestly think this might mean extreme punishments don't stop crime. In the hands of a better writer than I, this would be the part where the writer would compose a paragraph or two talking about how if all crimes are equal and punished the same, then you'd get less pickpockets, but would get a lot more murderers. After all, if one were to get sent to the gas chamber for simply stealing a loaf of bread, one might as well go full hog and off the store owner and any witnesses.
@greenorb29
10 ай бұрын
Why is Scarecrow deemed crazy? Same with Harley those 2 are perfectly sane enough to pull off plans to terrorize people Harley had no problem taking advantage of a young girl in (Tough as Nails) who wanted to cure herself of an unwanted mutation and once she served her purpose as dumb muscle Harley knocks her into the ocean depths and she helped Joker torture & brainwash Tim Drake. Harley needs some accountability and a long sentence.
@ZX-Gear
6 ай бұрын
@greenorb29 Yeah. I think people forget how much of an enabler and actual criminal Harley is to where in the Arkham Games,she literally stood by and helped The Joker to kill a bunch of children and cut them up and stitched them with other kids to send them to the parents so they had to cut up the pieces to try and get the pieces of their children to get them some semblance of a dignified burial. Yeah. At that point,Lock-Up would be right and have every reason to dunk on Batman.
@emanuelrojas2
3 ай бұрын
Honestly, this guy would be a great Red Hood rouge.
@henryheavy8044
10 ай бұрын
He feels like he would fit in a judge dredd universe
@FrozenJack2007
9 ай бұрын
judge bolton has a nice ring to it
@evancredeur7498
10 ай бұрын
I know this is irrelevant, but I gotta say it. Lock Up sounds like a good name for a fierce, savage hunting dog.
@Iron8127
29 күн бұрын
Fun fact: Lockup is actually one of the DC Characters that made it into Scribblenauts Unmasked alongside Batman Beyond
@ricardomartinez8430
Ай бұрын
I remember when I watched this episode for the first time I semi agree with lockup because thinking about it more because imagine living in Gotham where one minute you are hearing the news that a dangerous criminal like joker, penguin or scarecrow is locked up but then hear a week later that those same criminals escape and see a giant blimp spewing joker gas or a threat of a bombing and people taken hostage with people getting caught in the crossfire, business and infrastructure being destroyed and with smaller gangs roaming around. Eventually it becomes a cycle of seeing the city in danger from other villains that also have intentions of destroying the city or harming others and eventually people will question why won’t they execute or have Batman kill them. I rewatched the episode again after reading more about Batman has his rule of not killing people but also seeing lockup only picked on the smaller and weaker people and wondered how would he have tortured or try to contain joker, killer croc or penguin and seeing he would’ve been too afraid to approach them or just would’ve ended them on site. I never thought about lock up being a political messenger but more of a person who has seen the damage maybe lost a few people he’s close with and just started questioning about why isn’t everyone being sent to a real prison or like maximum security prison or having a higher authority come in and take them away especially since a lot of these actions are levels of national security
@tk-6967
6 ай бұрын
I don't see what was so right wing about him whatsoever. certainly authoritarian, but that isn't really conservative in any meaningful way
@thenarwhalmage
6 ай бұрын
The point of prisons tend to be disputed between the left and the right, with Lock Up landing firmly on the right side. Liberal beliefs tend to focus on rehabilitation while the right tends to focus on using punishment to deter criminals. Look at the war on drugs for example. The Anti-Drug Abuse Act was signed by Ronald Regan, which mandated that all drug related sentences include prison time. In contrast decriminalization is a very liberal movement that aims to encourage drug users to seek help rather than scare them from using drugs using the fear of prison sentences. The death penalty is contentious topic, but it generally is supported more by conservatives than liberals, showing again a bias of conservatives towards harsher sentences.
@dgarrard100
8 ай бұрын
Lock-Up is seriously flawed, but let's not pretend Batman's approach makes perfect sense. In the Batman/Punisher comic you showed a few panels of, Punisher was about half a second away from saving thousands of people's lives until Batman stopped him to save one life - that of an unrepentant serial killer. If that's "compassion", as you put it, then it's severely misplaced. I like the idea I've seen a few other commentors say: it should've begun with Lock-Up using his methods on inmates like Joker to get the audience rooting for him, then show him abusing the more vulnerable inmates.
@jordanloux3883
8 ай бұрын
But it would still be wrong since it still avoids the main issue: Arkham is a hospital first. It is there to help people, even someone like The Joker. If her wants to be that cruel he should get a job at Blackgate.
@KingNerdius
8 ай бұрын
So where’s the flaw in his philosophy?
@anon9469
7 ай бұрын
Even more fucked-up is the Batman/Judge Dredd crossover, which is the exact same... except Judge Dredd is *acting completely within the confines of his universe's law*.
@adrianshephard378
6 ай бұрын
@@jordanloux3883 I mean when you think of the Nuremberg Trials though how many war criminals did they allow to live so long as they got "help?" Some people at the end of the day refuse to change or become better, and will actively drag others down with them if they aren't stopped
@dansmith16
6 ай бұрын
@@adrianshephard378 You did know that Nuremberg was a kangaroo court and a completely illegal abuse of justice, right? People were tortured into signing confessions in a language they didn't understand. If at any time you see injustice and mention Nuremberg was good, you become a hypocrite.
@DocWolph
5 ай бұрын
Lock-up might work best working in his capacity as a "jailer gone mad" working for Cadmus. When its time to gather a new Suicide Squad or Amanda Waller needs to hold someone special, She has Lock-up. Lock-Up is simply not being used well.
@zenithperformancefitness6897
10 ай бұрын
The only part of this i disagree with is your assessment that like those on the right, he sees things in black and white. I would instead say that much like those at the extremes, he sees things in black and white
@MouldMadeMind
10 ай бұрын
"Both sides" people truly infest everything.
@TitusCastiglione1503
10 ай бұрын
Agreed. I don’t really see your average Communist as all that different from Lock-Up; he sees those who don’t align with him in purely black and white terms, whilst retaining all the permissive grey area for himself.
@babbit09
9 ай бұрын
@@TitusCastiglione1503 I agree with your agreement
@martinemoolenkamp2282
2 ай бұрын
3:45 a id I have is that Batman mouth is exsposed as he show compassion like for instance talking it out sort of while lock up only has eyes exsposed he only judges without saying anything or trying to talk he just locks up and moves on
@changvasejarik62
5 ай бұрын
0:20 WTF? Red claw appeared in the comics?
@starpokeheart664
6 ай бұрын
And what set me over the edge with this guy was that even scarface was terrified to to speak up until encouraged
@robotx9285
21 күн бұрын
Bruh I dunno how they're so many lock up glazers...He' like the punisher and batman with none of the good traits either characters have.
@BraxtonWages
4 ай бұрын
I always liked Lock-Up. He had a lot of potential.
@thesmilyguyguy9799
4 ай бұрын
:)
@dylanserrano2109
6 ай бұрын
It's funny how individuals who consider everything.They don't like right-wing and mention Fox News. Come on, if you're trying to make everything you just don't like right-wing. I mean this, this thing is episode.Has nothing to do with anything with politics really
@GoblinFromOblivion
6 ай бұрын
The talking head worshipper is offended.
@MrStretchwolfomega
8 ай бұрын
This episode was good, but I felt like they could’ve done a little bit more with it. For an example they could showed him treated everybody equally in punishment, which, though extreme kind of showing that if Batman went down this road, this is where he would be treating somebody jaywalks and treat that person as if they were serial killer extreme
@newelljoseph5060
4 ай бұрын
Lockup would be a fan of Azreal. Lockup only wants to imprison and torment people he sees as evil, Azreal on the other hand kills them without hesitation.
@redaug4212
10 ай бұрын
Ostensibly speaking Lock-Up is one of the more reasonable "morally dubious" vigilantes. Arkham villains are repeat offenders to the extreme, and yet he doesn't even want to kill them like other anti-heroes would do. He just wants to make sure they remain inert through confinement and physical abuse, which sounds bad, but isn't considerably different from what Batman does. The only big difference being that Batman allows Gotham's psychopaths to be released or break out before he beats them senseless and throws them back in Arkham again. Of course, Lock-Up going full Senator Armstrong and attempting to burn the entire system down for its perceived weakness and corruption is where the character stops being a vigilante with a hatred for criminality and just becomes another lunatic.
@glang5154
7 ай бұрын
Lock-up is correct in his actions, and Batman and Gotham's justice system are to blame for not resolving crime in the city. Give Joker to Lock-up and that's problem solved.
@anon9469
7 ай бұрын
Yes, in that Lock-Up will die in about five seconds. The running undercurrent of Lock-Up is that, for all his posturing, he's not actually able to follow through. He's a bully who's only effective against victims who aren't powerful (be that physically or in terms of presence and gang connections).
@ComradeRagdoll
Жыл бұрын
BTAS was the G.O.A.T, But it’s NOT the same without Kevin Conroy…😔
@mr.redeyes2583
10 ай бұрын
lyle bolton's costume look like it would be good for Stryker from MK
@FrozenJack2007
9 ай бұрын
oh man, Lock-up shouldve been a DLC costume in Mortal Kombat
@pandapruitt2542
9 ай бұрын
It's not like Batman is exactly left wing man....what the hell is this title?
@SerumLake
9 ай бұрын
It depends on who’s writing him and the format. This video is about the BTAS version of Batman who gives Gotham free health care, reformed villains free housing and jobs, identifies as an equal opportunist, and puts saving the rainforest ahead of profits. None of those things are particularly right wing.
@zuke4941
2 ай бұрын
Want to know something interesting? Lock Up wasnt pulling any of that shit on Killer Croc, Two Face, or the Joker. He was doing it to an old man with a puppet, a rail thin scientist, and a young woman. He doesnt terrify villains, he's just a sadistic bully.
@FernandezBismarck
Ай бұрын
Oh yeah, harley and scarecrow are pure angels😂😂
@zuke4941
Ай бұрын
@@FernandezBismarck Not by a long shot. But he's pulling that tough guy shit on people who cant really do anything about it. Because if he tried that shit on Croc he'd get his head bit off.
@thefanwithoutaface8105
14 күн бұрын
@@zuke4941 Dude litterally is shown fighting off multiple grown ass men the same size as him with ease and doesn't show any hesitation in squaring off with Batman who kicks all their asses. Also Bolton himself says no one other than Scarecrow had escaped Arkham since he took over security, even though Joker escaping is a well established trope in this show. So yes he was using those methods the writers juse knew if we showed him doing it to Joker or Croc we'd be on his side.
@Awells89
Ай бұрын
I would’ve loved a scene in this episode where Bolton tries to do something to the Joker.
@lobster800
Жыл бұрын
Hey, Serum- do you have an official email you can be reached at at all? I host a podcast called Bat Minute, where we're breaking down the Batman films one minute at a time, and this year we're focusing on Mask of the Phantasm, a film you seem pretty qualified to talk about! Would love to have you on for an episode, if that's something you'd be interested in?
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
Hey there, thanks for the invite. You can reach me at serumlake (at) gmail dot com.
@JoLiKMC
8 ай бұрын
Geez. Political much? I did not care for this video due to all the comparisons to people with "right wing leanings". Why does everything have to be about politics? Why can't Lyle Bolton just be a guy with a strong sense of justice, but zero compassion?
@SerumLake
8 ай бұрын
Because he was intentionally written as a criticism of right wing politics.
@Elfenlied8675309
8 ай бұрын
@@ichadpromax Technically Poison Ivy was their attempt at that. She's just an eco terrorist taken to the extreme. She's like some goofy parody of the Unabomber.
@KingNerdius
8 ай бұрын
But he’s right
@anon9469
7 ай бұрын
@@ichadpromax Anarky.
@AdmarilDarius
6 ай бұрын
@@SerumLake Odd how men like lockup have thrived in basically every leftist society in the past 150 years then.
@БеняХандзо
7 ай бұрын
Deranged, hyper-aggressive, self-righteous, extremely prone to physical violence guy dressed up in heavy, obviously SWAT-like armor and who wants nothing more than to lock people up, with no compassion or regard for anything? Funny how almost every Batman movie turns Batman into Lock-Up. By that metric, Lock-Up had more adaptations than Batman!
@calliopehu1924
9 ай бұрын
2:04 Look at the shadows on the ground, the bars of the window, the large and spotless 'facility'... the direction is clearly meant to evoke a sense that this man lives in a prison. There's lots of meaning you can derive from this (he chooses to live here in this miserable place and wants others to join him? it represents the caged and locked-in state of his mind? etc.), not to mention the fact that there's a lone fireplace in this massive room, so the high gothic windows evoke a cathedral (see: Hellfire, for a good artistic comparison... maybe Lockup venerates the prison). There's a lot to be gained by looking at this from a formalist film perspective, and I hope you get to grow those skills! You clearly feel similarly, when wondering about the significance that Lockup's mask shows his eyes and noting how the ending mirrors its design-this is a great video essay from a really underexposed channel, and I really appreciate how you incorporate all the BtAS behind-the-scenes information as well as juxtaposing his later comics appearances. One criticism I have is to be less on-the-nose about repeating "this is how right-wingers think," that's a good thesis but it comes off as dismissive and generalizes your conclusions with regard to the specific evidence (surely different evidence is making slightly different specific arguments).
@brastionskywarrior6951
Жыл бұрын
Batman is already a right wing character hes an old money son of a modern aristocrat who is literally called the dark knight. If knights arent right wing i dont know what is
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
On the surface, I can see why you’d say that and broadly I would agree. But, it can depend on who writes him. I think that the BTAS version of Batman is more of a centrist because he has some left leaning traits (he protects the Rainforest, even though it ends up costing his company a lot of money - see Eternal Youth - he doesn’t support capital punishment, promoting rehabilitation over incarceration, he described himself as an “equal opportunity crime fighter” in The Cat and the Claw, etc.) but at the same time he is a hyper capitalist, with Wayne Enterprises gobbling up companies left and right, and in The Forgotten he dreams about handing out money to the poor, and he weeps because it doesn’t seem to help - this is a very common conservative talking point around how there shouldn’t be a social security system/benefits system for the poor.
@spyczech
Жыл бұрын
I would lovee a video on the politics of Bruce Wayne, particularly talking about the effectiveness of charity and instances how status quo protecting centrist he kind of is. It's tough bc the confines of what Gotham is narratively feels like it's designed to sap confidence in government in a way perhaps narratively incompatible with Wayne renouncing charity and instead working to push systematic policy or laws. That cognitive dissonance that Gotham kind of HAS to be the typical right wing conception of a crime ridden city for the conceit of batman almost destines Wayne to be a centrist at best
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
I have actually made some notes on this subject, but I am a little worried that it’ll kick the hornet’s nest. KZitem’s algorithm loves the drama though, so I’ll probably just do it any way.
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
@@SockieTheSockPuppet Roosevelt was in power almost a century ago. What has Regan, the Bushes, or Trump done to protect the environment?
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
@@SockieTheSockPuppet and I resent the implication that I don’t understand how people like you think. I’ve known people like you my entire life, you try to dress up your heartless, cruel, and selfish points of view as being logical, but it’s anything but. There have been studies that have shown that we could end homelessness by properly supporting people in their time of need and helping them become self sufficient, and it would cost us less than the current solution (or lack of one) in the long run, yet you don’t see any conservatives accepting these findings. Why, it’s almost like they don’t actually like cold, measurable facts unless they support their cruel, selfish worldview… And, funnily enough, I have a script for a video titled “Bruce Wayne: The Ideal Capitalist” in the works, comparing him to the other Capitalists in the show. At least we are in agreement on that point 😂
@wyattderendinger5101
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, after watching the episode I struggle to see him as a genuine villain. And his “victims“ as less then deserving. It’s a nice break from the cartoonishly evil Saturday morning villains. But I wouldn’t say it’s a right wing thing
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
Perhaps our definitions of left and right wing don’t align. I should’ve clarified that each country has their own definition, things that seem perfectly normal and are accepted in the US seem very Far Right to many Europeans, for instance.
@wyattderendinger5101
Жыл бұрын
@@SerumLake I see, that makes alot of sense. Thank you for taking the time to reply
@timewarpdrive77
Жыл бұрын
@@SerumLake And what you define as far right would be widely considered center left 20 years ago (and still is)
@FrozenJack2007
Жыл бұрын
@@timewarpdrive77 LOL
@burntvirtue
Жыл бұрын
I mean he decries the "liberal media" in the episode as being "permissive".
@karlpilgrim6397
5 ай бұрын
A Brit calls the American right fascist as his own liberal country can lock him up for offensive jokes.
@SerumLake
5 ай бұрын
I’m kinda impressed with how many inaccuracies you managed to fit into this comment. Scotland’s hate speech law only applies to Scotland. Not England, Wales, or Northern Ireland. England is not a liberal country. We have a Conservative government. True, they are likely going to lose the next election, but they’re going to lose to a centrist party that currently doesn’t have any real policies. The law you’re referring to does not apply to jokes. It applies to people that incite hatred and violence towards minorities or those within a protected category.
@karlpilgrim6397
5 ай бұрын
@@SerumLake Conservative in name only, considering how little changes with your party switches. Also fascism and authoritarianism aren’t right wing exclusively. I mean the 3rd rike and stalinists were alike in many ways with the exception of how they treated the means of production. The US government is acting fascist today, what with using companies as a proxy to infringe on American rights (i.e. pre-Elon Twitter, Google, and Facebook) yet it’s never been more far left. I live in California. By far the most leftist sate, with criminals having a revolving door. Also what’s with the populist hate? Who do you think should run your country? Companies? Blackrock? Oligarchs? Communists? I know you mentioned your not into monarchy when your Queen died. I found your channel recently but your constant digs at the right at every turn are kind of a turn off, considering that I can see the news of how dystopian the British Isles has gotten even before your conservative government. You guys don’t even like the Union Jack anymore, but hey, the White House took Christ out of Easter so who knows.
@karlpilgrim6397
5 ай бұрын
@@SerumLake Conservative in name only, considering how little changes with your party switches. Also fascism and authoritarianism aren’t right wing exclusively. I mean the 3rd rike and stalinists were alike in many ways with the exception of how they treated the means of production. The US government is acting fascist today, what with using companies as a proxy to infringe on American rights (i.e. pre-Elon Twitter, Google, and Facebook) yet it’s never been more far left. I live in California. By far the most leftist sate, with criminals having a revolving door. Also what’s with the populist hate? Who do you think should run your country? Companies? Blackrock? Oligarchs? Communists? I know you mentioned your not into monarchy when your Queen died. I found your channel recently but your constant digs at the right at every turn are kind of a turn off, considering that I can see the news of how dystopian the British Isles has gotten even before your conservative government. You guys don’t even like the Union Jack anymore, but hey, the White House took Christ out of Easter so who knows.
@blueskyalchemist623
5 ай бұрын
@@karlpilgrim6397right wingers go all the way to deny their fascist viewpoints but still return to point 0. 1. If California or the UK were anything “leftist”, it goes to show how far into the right your “viewpoint” are, and this is perfectly the same with this analysis of Lyle: “you are either with us or you are all liberal leftist communist”. 2. The reason why there are a lot of similarities between fascist and socialist because the fascs literally stole a lot of elements from socialists society and added their own “right-wing” bs into it. Look up for how Mussolini and Hitler defined “fascism”.
@blueskyalchemist623
5 ай бұрын
@@karlpilgrim6397and one of the key elements of fascism is the right-wing populist bs. What caused Brexit? The liberals or the right-wing populists who brought up all the “people vs elite” bs and then ran away like a coward when people actually suffered? Are you happy, Mr. Nigel Farage-wannabe?
@AM-cv9fi
9 ай бұрын
As far as the eyes vs mouth exposed on both character designs, I'd like to think it's because Batman can control his emotions and Lock-Up can't. Edit: Also Batman is capable of diplomacy.
@Antimony96
3 ай бұрын
This and Trial both feel like critiques of Batman from two characters with opposite worldviews, with both suggesting that he perpetuates the cycle of violence in Gotham rather than ending it. But the attorney in Trial (forget her name) is doing it from a more liberal/left angle whereas Lock-Up is doing it from a far-right angle.
@megasnowey7177
Жыл бұрын
4:07 your statement that "all people on the right have a simplistic view on life" is very hypocritical when you are stereotyping everyone on the right to be the same. Both sides of the political spectrum have extremists, but you ironically claim that one side sees everything as black and white while saying said side is objectively wrong
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
I didn’t say “all”, I said “many” - and that's me paraphrasing people like Ted Cruz and his supporters, who wear their simplistic views as a badge of honour. I appreciate that “many” isn’t a specific number, and can be interpreted in different ways though. “Some” probably would’ve been a better choice of words. When it comes to the political left, Liberal people get so tangled up in all the various shades of grey that it ends up causing division and argument. This is why, in the UK at least, our liberal parties rarely win the elections - there’s only one mainstream right wing party, but three mainstream liberal parties, so the left-leaning vote gets split.
@megasnowey7177
Жыл бұрын
@@SerumLake holy crap I must have heard it wrong sorry about that
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
@@megasnowey7177 don’t worry about it, you’re not the only one to do so. At least you didn’t issue a death threat, like one guy did - what a perfectly sane and rational response that was… 😂
@megasnowey7177
Жыл бұрын
@@SerumLake good thing I didn't meet that guy
@nero_0086
Жыл бұрын
well, that was a nice interaction, an honest mistake being addressed and accepted from both parties involved? when talking about politics??? wow
@CountSpartula
6 ай бұрын
You kinda lost me at "this kind of extreme personality is acceptable these days" stuff, like...what are you on about dude?
@SerumLake
6 ай бұрын
I'm referring to the rise of populism - these once extreme talking points seem to be fairly mainstream at the moment (hence my Fox News joke)
@CountSpartula
6 ай бұрын
@@SerumLake Yeah I just don't see it. Not in so far as populism rising, that much is true. I just don't see what populism has in common with this nutcase character, given that it's not necessarily a specific ideology rather being a name for a general collection of ideologies that emphasize the concept of "the people" arrayed opposite of some group that could be considered the elites of that society. Its a range wide enough to encompass socialism and libertarianism, ideologies very much opposed to one another and both increasing in prevalence incidentally. I think you might need a better term to describe what you mean, no offense.
@SerumLake
6 ай бұрын
None taken, I would just add that Bob Skir, who wrote this episode with Paul Dini, has likened Lock-Up to the MAGA movement. As an aside, he wanted to call Lock-Up "Deadbolt", but Dini insisted that the name be a reference to the compassionless expression "Lock 'em up, and throw away the key" often used by those on the right (although not exclusively!)
@ixrer
Ай бұрын
@@CountSpartula "I just don't see it" bullshit. Fascists keep getting rewarded. Instead of being isolated from society like they deserve.
@CountSpartula
Ай бұрын
@@ixrer Not really. You should unplug from your online groups for a bit. Get some sunlight. Have a coffee. Talk to some new people.
@AnomalyINC
4 ай бұрын
Personally, as I see it, Lock-Up's problem isn't really the right-winger part, but the authoritarian part. He's a control freak with a very black/white moral compass, and sees himself as the arbiter of justice. While he definitely strikes me as a parody of right-wingers, I think that it is only fair to point out that the same kind of people exist on the left, even if their justifications differ. It's less of a left-vs-right and more of an authoritarian-vs-liberal view is what I'm saying. I'm not trying to run defence for the political right, I just think that equating right-wing politics with authoritarianism is erroneous. Either side veers into authoritarianism when they have gone unchallenged for too long. For transparency's sake, I do not closely align with the left or the right in general, it's on a case-by-case basis for me. I'm just terminally pedantic.
@Iwidelyoutliveeverything
Жыл бұрын
it's leaking in buddy
@jordanloux3883
Жыл бұрын
And festering like a gangrenous wound
@samanthakelly718
Жыл бұрын
Ngl this episode was the one that made me wanna watch this show. The portrayal of what would normally be considered an “anti hero” as just a straight-up villain as a result of not just his crossing the line later on, but his general senseless abuse of the mentally ill and his far-right esc beliefs kinda shocked me at how ballsy it was. But it’s also a testament to the show’s values. It goes to show Batman’s compassion is a central part of his character. I like that and I wish we saw more of it.
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that. This episode generally isn’t held in high regard by many fans, so I’m always pleased to hear from other people that also enjoy it. BTAS’ Batman is incredibly compassionate, although he does become more stoney as we transition to The New Batman Adventures.
@rahsaanthomas7030
Жыл бұрын
I thought of Lock Up as DC's version of the Punisher..
@SerumLake
Жыл бұрын
Yes, he is in a way.
@Eco-pu2zs
Жыл бұрын
The Punisher would not have gone after the cops, media, or doctors. If not for that I would view him as a good guy.
@Eco-pu2zs
Жыл бұрын
I view the ideal superhero to be a combination of both Lockup and Batman. They are both extremist in their own way. Lockup has no restraint and Batman indirectly kills innocent people every time he doesn't kill the Joker knowing with absolute certainty what the end result will be.
@ZX-Gear
6 ай бұрын
@Eco-pu2zs >Sees modern day events run its course So what are you saying gis that The Punisher is Based and Right?
@thebashar
10 ай бұрын
As crass as it may seem, I think Lock-on would fit in rather well with todays society. This episode may be near 30 years old, but it feels like a critique of present day American politics.
@FrozenJack2007
9 ай бұрын
its so depressing isnt it.
@thebashar
9 ай бұрын
@@FrozenJack2007 Yes, but not hopelessly so
@ZX-Gear
6 ай бұрын
So Lock-Up is right on the money even 30 years ago?
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