I remember when I was young deciding I wanted to train my agility on the Gnome course. It took a solid chunk of time planning out the journey, then actually getting there took what felt like hours. Prior to this I had never been as far as even the front gates of Taverly and mostly spent my time in Lumbridge/Al Kharid Castle/East Varrock, so this was like a full-on Lord of The Rings travel distance. The Gnome city felt like a super alien and foreign land, and I was thinking I had better do all the agility I want now because this was a once in a lifetime trip lol. One of my fondest RS memories and eventually being back at the Lumbridge castle courtyard after an equally long return journey felt very comforting. I even remember the second time I decided to make that same trip, felt like I was going to film the sequel to a movie haha.
@iluvutube22222
2 жыл бұрын
This was as enjoyable read, ty
@PirateKingxo
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the story, it also sparked similar experiences in my youth and I am grateful for that
@fipah5817
2 жыл бұрын
THIS. As a kid in 2004/5 I was planning my trip from Port Sarim to Varrock for like weeks - both mentally and inventory-wise preparing for the grand journey, stocking up on runes just in case somebody attacked me 🤍💯
@jw1640
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this comment sparked some serious nostalgia. Days of clicking the members-only gates next to Taverley and the Dark Wizard's Tower, finally getting membership from my parents and trekking across the map. These are the strongest memories of my childhood, particularly the warm comfort of Lumbridge after a long and dangerous cross-map hike. Thanks for this @First name Last name.
@djjazzyjeff1232
2 жыл бұрын
The simple problem is that we're not idiot kids anymore. The game has grown up just like its players have.
@grahamyodude
2 жыл бұрын
Increased draw distance and the fact that we have all memorized the entire map to the point we know it in our sleep is definitely why it feels smaller.
@maimonguy123
2 жыл бұрын
I failed geography but I remember the whole osrs map by heart, including all underground/other regions.
@TheJustinShowAndCo
2 жыл бұрын
Teleports everywhere is what makes it feel small
@ArbitraryxIntentions
2 жыл бұрын
Still to this day, i can close my eyes and imagine walking from Lumbridge, to Varrock, to Falador, it's amazing, as if i'm physically there. And i notice when i remember this, my mind forgets the edges of the screen, as if they didnt exist.
@hopeinen5287
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheJustinShowAndCo And the fact that buildings are much larger(in some cases gigantic) compared to their old models.
@AndyKPOV
2 жыл бұрын
And most people don't play like we did as kids. It's so much easier to do anything. As a kid I remember everything was a major grind. I sold willows and flax and made bank. But it took months to get anywhere. Now days you hop on, kill a few people or merch. It's not the same running around killing stuff and skilling type of game it once was. It's a everyone's over powered with quest helpers and wiki. I had 2 internet explorers going barely able to get by with my 512mb ram and dial up internet struggling to get runetip to work.
@Fortior.
2 жыл бұрын
Back in the days when those musicians on the side of the road weren't just there for decoration, but a viable way to quickly regenerate run energy and make your trips across the map slightly faster.
@El-Burrito
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you'd actually get groups of people stopping at them and having little chats while travelling. The abundance of teleporting really hurt the social aspect of the game in that way.
@IamRyanLPs
2 жыл бұрын
O M F G CORE MEMORY UNLOCKED WTF I FORGOT ABOUT THEM AHAHAHHAHAHAHA
@toxicvillain
2 жыл бұрын
You can't regenerate run with them anymore?
@InedibleMuffin
2 жыл бұрын
@@toxicvillain You can, but there's less reason to run around with all the teleportation available. Like was said in the video--
@toxicvillain
2 жыл бұрын
@@InedibleMuffin what video?
@angiedefreitas5060
2 жыл бұрын
Ah, the good old days when you didn't leave your chosen 'hometown' unless you were prepared for the hike, or needed to....lumby to varrock to buy a wanted item....not there? Then join a 'player train' to walk to Seers. Especially useful for newbies who didn't know the route by heart and could get a guided tour....Varrock to Ardougne with stops in Falador, Taverly, Catherby and Seers
@michaelrondon5472
2 жыл бұрын
One of the best reasons to level magic was to get some teleports to help navigate. I remember the first time I could teleport to Camelot and didn't have to navigate white wolf mountain. It was an amazing feeling.
@arthurvp1682
2 жыл бұрын
only to be lured into the wild and getting dropped. rip my first rune scimitar
@ohwellwhateverr
2 жыл бұрын
The player trains! This really hit me in the feels.
@Noobly533
2 жыл бұрын
@Hobomaster I still remember mining and selling coal in Falador for weeks because I really wanted that rune (g) outfit. My parents didn't allow me to play more than one hour a day so this was a significant time spend in Falador.
@azaldie
2 жыл бұрын
Except it really wasn't the good old days. Nostalgia is a hell of a thing, but spending the vast majority of your time in the game just traveling around places to be able to get into the already extremely long and time consuming grinds really didn't feel great. I remember being young and sharing my PC with my brother, we'd have an hour at a time each and as much as we both loved runescape, you couldn't do *anything* with that one hour at a time, and it wouldn't be unusual that when it became 'our turn' again, we'd no longer feel like doing that one thing we spent the last hour setting up for.
@rachaelregier8442
2 жыл бұрын
I do think that the requirement of Underground Pass to access the elven lands is a good thing. No matter how easy it is to teleport there, the ptsd of that four hour quest for the first time sticks.
@azoniarnl3362
2 жыл бұрын
Walking the elven lands after that felt so magical, I miss those days
@bob513993
2 жыл бұрын
The light maze in the later quest tho 😭
@Vid_Master
2 жыл бұрын
the underground pass was my best adventure on runescape, I stubbornly / lazily did it with only 34 and then 47 agility to do the ending jumps across the rock walkaway area, it was a really hard quest at my low combat level but it was so fun being alone and without supplies in a dangerous and unknown cave system with only RuneHQ to help me find my way to the end.
@rachaelregier8442
2 жыл бұрын
@@Vid_Master very brave 😅 I love these stories
@The_Hist
2 жыл бұрын
At LEAST 4 hours
@luximperium4164
2 жыл бұрын
I only play OSRS, but I remember back in the day when I was a kid playing this game, I'd literally just go on adventures with random people where we'd just follow each other everywhere on the map talking to each other or doing roleplay stuff. The game felt so much more centered around finding new things and traveling the world, and really felt a lot more social. Everyone focuses on grinding now, bossing, getting a ton of GP, making their accounts impressive, and it's not like people weren't doing that back in the day, but it feels like a lot of people forgot how this game used to be. I miss the days of house parties being actual parties that people would spontaneously have and invite others to. People would come to your house, especially if you had a combat ring which was always my goal, and just have fun talking and fighting in the ring. Now people use POHs in the house party world for nothing but teleporting, pool of rejuvenation, prayer training and the occasional other skill related thing. This is the game that taught me so much of the internet culture I grew up with and know to this day. I learned "noob" and "lol" and so much more basic parts of the internet's vernacular just by people either using them around me a lot, or me explicitly asking what it meant, and people usually would tell you because terms like that were fairly newer opposed to today. This game also got me really good at typing with one finger (cause I didn't know there were other ways), which translated into me being decent at actual typing nowadays when I figured out how to actually type (admittedly, I don't type perfectly to how they say you should, as I only use my index finger, middle finger and pinky for shift and enter on my right hand, but use my entire left hand). And I even learned a lot of just English vocabulary from playing the game. My point is, this game was a whole different thing to me back in the game. It was like another world to explore to me, while I was kind of just stuck in an apartment complex with not many friends I'd do things with outside. It let me be social while there wasn't much socialness in real life at the time. And it gave me a sense of working towards a goal for the first time. I remember days of spinning flax for money and I remember really wanting an obby maul, so I was constantly leveling up my range by crossbowing tzhaar people by getting them stuck on the other side of heat vents. I remember doing the holiday events because I thought the items looked cool sometimes and wanted to have cool stuff to wear, not to mention just enjoying the events themselves. I remember that one Halloween event that was like an obstacle course, and grinding that for a bit to get stuff from it. And it also is what got me into watching KZitem. I can't recall many KZitemrs at the time who uploaded RuneScape videos, but I remember watching all sorts of different PKing compilations and people killing bosses that I wish I knew how to kill or even get to. I remember all the RSMVs and the impact that had on my music taste at the time. I remember the funny skit type videos people would make. I almost spent as much time watching stuff on KZitem as I did playing the actual game. I also had an obsession with reading all the cool stuff they'd add to the game on the RuneScape website. They had like a wiki built into the website if I remember correctly, and I'd have fun just going through all the cool items, weapons, monsters, places, and other stuff just to see what was all in the game. There were so many things I didn't ever experience until now that I'm an adult and willing to actually try at them. I couldn't have ever imagined getting a fire cape and killing what was the hardest boss in the game, TzTok-Jad. Now it's like an expectation for you to do that in the current game, and seems really easy now that things like switching prayers and inventory management are just basic parts of the game to learn and master. Used to be I'd just marvel at it and watch people do it on KZitem because I was scared of trying it myself or didn't think I could do it. I probably couldn't have given that I didn't really have any sense of strategy for the game. But yeah, this game has impacted me so much growing to be who I am now. I remember going to the house party world for the first time as an adult and expecting to see people having actual parties, but now it's all just the big wigs who probably run some RWT underground shit who just constantly host for people to use their to standard maxed houses for its resources. I miss the days when we were all just kids, and this was our first nerd thing we were all big into. I sometimes wish I could relive that kind of forgotten way of playing the game, but maybe it's best to move on.
@Avengerie
2 жыл бұрын
Got me in the feels.
@gregcain5292
2 жыл бұрын
I made a profile to respond.. I feel you, this is coming from a player from before 2006.. still to this day I love it. If you ever want to adventure together again I am PUR3 LAZY on OSRS and 2 OLD 4 TH1S on RS3. Never bossed, so there are new things for me to explore also!
@Vid_Master
2 жыл бұрын
I had the same exact experience as you did, great memories :D and we all have to move onto bigger things, but never forget to be a kid sometimes
@luximperium4164
2 жыл бұрын
@@gregcain5292 glad to hear it greg! bossing is fun but a learning curve for sure. combat in this game is so much different compared to any other game i can think of. I'll add you on OSRS, I'm LuxImperium.
@luximperium4164
2 жыл бұрын
@@Vid_Master yup. really wish sometimes i could throw a house party and have random people come over and fight in the fighting ring while chatting, without them leaving and complaining because of me not having an altar or the teleport they wanted
@setosorcerer
2 жыл бұрын
And here I thought it was going to be a video about scale theory, like how all of elite dungeon can fit on a tiny island.
@GirthquakeTheGoat
2 жыл бұрын
hi seto
@rswillmissit
2 жыл бұрын
Got some plans for the scale theory too! I actually had a chat with the author of the RS novels about this, considering he founded a lot of the theories due to how he describes the world in his books. Atm I'm just looking to expand a little on it. I kinda want to explore the difference between osrs and rs3 lore-wise, I just need the time to sit down and actually do it, lol
@setosorcerer
2 жыл бұрын
@@rswillmissit Oh sweet :O!!
@merten0083
2 жыл бұрын
I remember my first time getting membership because I told my parents that I beat Dragon Slayer, I walked my ass all the way from Lumbridge to Ardougne just to see that Zoo, and I finally got to see all the membership-only land that I only fantasized about looking on the map.
@remainprofane7732
2 жыл бұрын
The map felt massive when I got membership for the first time as a kid, Lumbridge to Ardounge felt like a genuine trek. I still remember the feeling of wonder
@kikook222
2 жыл бұрын
Back in the day, I used to walk literally everywhere because I was in poverty in OSRS until I started selling Nat runes I would make. I literally never teleported. Since I got back in OSRS and am slightly mroe intelligent, I do not have money issues anymore and can teleport freely and I just don't know how I could do it back then. I used to play OSRS so unoptimized back when it was Runescape 2. Some of the shit I don't have patience for is the fast way of doing the same thing 16 years ago but I would do slowly.
@readifdumb
9 ай бұрын
@@remainprofane7732I remember hearing all these stories about Kandarin, and all the things you could do there, and when I finally got members, it was so nostalgic to remember all the things my friends told me about membership places, and all the little lies they told (I was poor and couldn't afford member as a kid). Even basic stuff like gnome drinks, or the gnome village maze, felt like such a mystery to me. I'll never get that experience again in a game, that feeling of wonder.
@nickbrodeur4586
2 жыл бұрын
One point that I thought of while watching this video was the world map. It was not available in game until 2008. Previously you had to open a separate window with the general map and really plan out how to get to a destination. Definitely added to the adventure feeling. It was a real pain though with the speed of computers and the internet at that time. I can also remember using the map provided by the Lumby general store to find my away around the basic F2P cities. I felt so lost when I died and lost that map haha!
@GoldenizedElite
2 жыл бұрын
Days without tabbed internet browsing to boot
@nocturn333
2 жыл бұрын
Not knowing where you are on the map was also a big part. Running around looking for landmarks to figure out exactly where you are really makes you fee lost. I think part of the reason I'm so good with maps is because I spent so much time staring at the Runescape map on a second window.
@WoTWhirls
2 жыл бұрын
yup, man that sucked. LOL
@FrostyIgnition
2 жыл бұрын
Awww I lol
@angrypanda2716
2 жыл бұрын
I had a map printed out next to me to see how I'd navigate to my destination xD
@F2PinPantz
2 жыл бұрын
I remember when I was 10 in 2006, I received The official handbook for Runescape as a Christmas Gift. There was a map section of all of Runescape in the handbook, and I would use that handbook to explore around Runescape and map out of journey. Such Nostalgia.
@neversleep8820
2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting players had an issue with the lumby home teleport. If I remember correctly I believe the home teleport was originally released as a way for players to get out of places if they encountered a bug and were stuck somewhere. Prior to this, players who experienced bugs like getting stuck outside the map had to contact a Jmod to teleport them back to the mainland which sometimes could take an incredibly long time(and this actually happened a lot back then). This was a simple fix that helped everyone and especially new players that got lost.
@rswillmissit
2 жыл бұрын
I remember this argument too. Looking back, I never really understood the issue with the teleport. It was just to Lumbridge and timegated, so shouldn't really be that bad... It was 06 though, and people were used to doing things the hard and slow way :P
@essay8634
2 жыл бұрын
As somebody who played a ton at the time, getting stuck somewhere from a bug was definitely NOT a common occurrence and had nothing to do with the Lumby teleport.
@cytofusion6072
2 жыл бұрын
@@essay8634 one of my accounts got teleported into the Varrock castle fountain at lv 50. I waited so long for it to get fixed that I just started a new one. I don’t even know if it was ever fixed. I remember begging a guy to cast teleother on me and offering my entire 12k bank. But assuming he was telling the truth, he couldn’t target me from where I was. My next account (and current main) later got stuck behind the Prif walls (long before Prif was a place) but luckily, the home teleport had been added by then. I still have screenshots of it somewhere. It’s easy to say something doesn’t happen when it doesn’t happen to you. Most players don’t own original Holiday rares; you wouldn’t call them common. Yet tens of thousands of them exist. Some players even have multiple. Thousands of people emailing Jagex about stuck accounts would be a massive issue for as small a company as they were at the time, given every single one would have to be handled manually by a human being.
@FirstNameLastName-rh6zc
2 жыл бұрын
@@essay8634 Almost like it's possible for different people to have different experiences, and neither be wrong. Crazy and novel idea I know.
@essay8634
2 жыл бұрын
@@FirstNameLastName-rh6zc In this case one of us would have to be wrong, since I stated it so extremely: "nothing to do with the Lumby teleport"
@mattatkins5229
2 жыл бұрын
This is part of the reason I think the nostalgia factor is so high in OSRS. I can teleport around the entire map of RS3 without ever really experiencing the world whereas I’ve only recently restarted on OS, and having to walk everywhere helps to build the at sense of ‘adventure’ and the amount of interaction with the world.
@Benzinilinguine
2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Easyscape. Who needs law runes anymore?
@dclikemtndew
2 жыл бұрын
Don't be fooled, late game osrs is just as teleportscape as rs3.
@bluntedsage
2 жыл бұрын
Can just walk everywhere if you want lol
@rns9644
2 жыл бұрын
@@Benzinilinguine i love it
@lewisphillips7223
2 жыл бұрын
@@Benzinilinguine True. But I grew up, got a job and thus lack the time for OSRS
@Iamjustherek
2 жыл бұрын
I remember feeling SO cheated when they created lodestones! Half of the reason I trained magic was to collect all of the travel spells. I think I made it to Ardourgne before they added lodestones. Now it doesn’t mean anything that I have to travel from one side of the map to the other :/
@Intrspace
2 жыл бұрын
@michael B ❌Respectfully disagree
@Dargonhuman
Жыл бұрын
As someone who regularly uses lodestones for clue scrolls, I can tell you they really aren't as useful or convenient as magic book teleportation - there's a good reason they don't cost anything to use, and you can recharge them with tiny amounts of vis wax. Other than a few out-of-the-way training spots like the Player Owned Farm, Priffdinias, and so on, most of the lodestones are far enough away from activity hubs that magic book teles are still the way to go for maxing efficiency.
@comyuse9103
Жыл бұрын
@@Dargonhuman who gives a shit about max efficiency? walking an extra few seconds doesn't mean anything when you are playing a game and that is a terrible way to look at any experience. anyone who says 'max efficiency' is hurting the game over all.
@Dargonhuman
Жыл бұрын
@@comyuse9103 people who have limited time to play give a shit about getting as much done as possible within that limited time. Thise few seconds of walking mean 5 to 10 less ores, logs, arch mats, bars or other resources generated. When doing Treasure Trails, all that walking between clue locations means not being able to do one whole extra scroll. I play Runescape to accomplish things like training skills, TT clues, doing quests, etc. It's not a walking simulator, and it's not like the world is all that interesting to look at anyway.
@Piraja27
2 жыл бұрын
I remember Jagex talking about making the map larger eventually back with NXT update. Guess they just bandage fixed it by putting mist on top of oceans
@blobviss-3367
2 жыл бұрын
we grew older is the biggest thing to be honest.
@jordanreynolds2152
2 жыл бұрын
i remember spamming to buy one law rune for 1k to tele some where lmao
@Fridge_Fiend
2 жыл бұрын
Different playstyles As a kid I played for adventure and just used my imagination to have fun so walking was the best. Now I play for in game goals and walking would just be a massive unfun chore to get to the fun parts
@MaakaSakuranbo
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly in general that has become the norm. People wanting everything instantly and not seeing the journey as part of it
@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333
2 жыл бұрын
I think if you could own a horse or a vehicle of some kind, traveling around everywhere would be more appealing.
@bransonallen2925
2 жыл бұрын
@@MaakaSakuranbo I made the journey when I was 10. I've had my full fill of taking 20 minutes to get from Varrock to Ardougne.
@belstar1128
2 жыл бұрын
If they release a new are i love to explore it but most of the world i have seen so much i know what to expect.
@Dargonhuman
Жыл бұрын
@@MaakaSakuranbo I don't have as much time to play games as I used to, so any time I can save getting from Point A to Point B is welcome. Besides, I've been playing RS for 20 years now - yes, I was there within months of what is now Classic RS going live - so through quests and skilling, I know the game world better than my own irl neighborhood, so other than the occasional graphical update, there isn't anything new for me to see on the journey that I haven't already seen hundreds of times.
@mystic-malevolence
2 жыл бұрын
I used to advocate for scaling up the world, I do think it's running out of space for more quest locations. But I wouldn't mind if they made a new game set in the world of Gielinor which featured a larger world. It would be a more feasible effort than actually pushing such a huge change as an update.
@ItsNifer
2 жыл бұрын
I think it would be super interesting (but a lot of development time) to make a completely new continent. Similar to how OSRS has Zeah
@conniemeerman2156
2 жыл бұрын
thats why they are adding realms now such as freneskae (land of the mahjarrat) or yu'biusk (bandos homeland) they capitalize on the stories being told about those lands in these days, and imo i think its great because we finally get to know the deities more and everything around them. in osrs saradomin used to be just a name ''flying'' by in ones mouth. and these days you get their full backstories, which to me seem really interesting.
@RockBandRS
2 жыл бұрын
@@ItsNifer Zeah is also like 95% a ghost town (continent?). The issue with a new large area is how do you make it so most of that area wasn't just a complete waste of dev time? You also can't make it too good, otherwise you get rs3 priff 2.0, where people rarely leave the area. I think that's why they haven't tried a new large continent like Zeah on rs3.
@JakobeOG
2 жыл бұрын
We need RS4
@DayWarrior6
2 жыл бұрын
@@RockBandRS At that point it's a culture problem among the player base. Everything we do now is done for maximum efficiency, probably because that's what adulthood is like. I distinctly remember being mocked by some maxers around 2013-ish for gathering my own potion ingredients to train herblore, even though buying them in bulk on the GE felt less special.
@BillNyeTheBountyGuy
2 жыл бұрын
Which is more valuable? Respecting player time and reducing the amount of dead weight a game has? Or to impose a sense of scale and travel, selling the fantasy of the world?
@goldenmort9597
2 жыл бұрын
i do take a walk in game very often and i enjoy every minute of it so chill and so fun see how places once new now all left alone 😀
@JediAkasha
2 жыл бұрын
That one set of magic trees below seers and place used to be hot now you have all 4 trees to yourself 🥰
@pakchoy9334
2 жыл бұрын
Lmao l2 3tick granite or something you're wasting your time on this game if you do that
@michaelj4256
2 жыл бұрын
@@pakchoy9334 imagine sweating everytime you play rs just for exp gains. Bro it's meant to have fun and enjoy, not grind your soul to the dirt.
@SummoNerd
2 жыл бұрын
I play RuneScape some days now. 18 years of account and still not nearly maxed I had 14 years at that time in 2004 and played only f2p. But sometimes I pass around some places and memory just hit me hard. Like Al kharid, specially the mines where I grind my lvl 85 minining and dropping iron ores right there, or someone else just come around and you trade them your ores and they will go and bank it (faster then drop everything). When I used to cut and light long lines of willow (could be oaks not sure) near the varrock entrance. When we have to run back to lumbridge to get the 30 coins to go to Al kharid, or even worse before I learned that there was a bank in the third floor I did the whole path for the upper entrance (near the mine). I remember to theorize with my two other friends what the members skills could do, and we came up that with slayer you could kill every player depending on your lvl. I remember one time I saw zezima (or maybe I just saw a screenshot of it) in the fally bank. I remember to play my early days of RuneScape with a dictionary near by so I can interact with other players and sell my itens (I'm from Brazil and thanks to RuneScape I've learned English). I remember in 2006 to send an email to jagex asking if they want me to translate the whole game to Portuguese, they laugh at me that time. I love this game and I hope it never die!
@Hektors
2 жыл бұрын
I only recently found your channel but man, you have instantly become my favorite RS content creator! Love your essay videos as well as the history ones, you have the ability to make it so entertaining. Regarding the topic at hand, I actually have the opinion that the world in RS3 is still insanely large. It's just that previously the world was unfathomably enormous, impossible to grasp the full extent of it. I still remember the first time I visited the Tree Gnome Stronghold after I became a member. I honestly walked for hours just because there was so much to explore on the way - it felt like the longest trek ever. And there was still like 80% of the world left to explore. Now, with every single pixel explored, I certainly prefer the ability to use quick teleports/travel options to almost every place of the world. It's because I put in so many hours exploring and getting familiar with the world. And I do think that it's okay, seeing as I'm an experienced adventurer (I'm a World Guardian, after all...). Unfortunately, ultimately I don't think that RS3 is a great game for new players. Even if we change some requirements (e.g. lodestones region quest-locked), the new player is generally forced to play the game through our experienced player efficiency lense, and thus might see those additional requirements as a huge drawback. I don't think it can ever be possible for a new player to experience the same (or just comparable) feelings we did when we started playing, and that makes me a bit sad ;(
@rswillmissit
2 жыл бұрын
Hahah dude, I get 100% how you feel about Tree Gnome Stronghold. As a skiller, there was a long period of time prior to Lodestones where I had to walk to the hunting area above Eagles Peak, and it felt like it took forever. I do kinda miss that.
@heribertogarcia3670
2 жыл бұрын
Now a days most games, just throw u right into the action. No need for grind. RIP RS I was hopeful Jagex would bring it back big time with mobile. But it only invited some of the OGs back that still have an hour or two to spare.
@belstar1128
2 жыл бұрын
No its not that big compared to other mmos.
@DEEOOZ
2 жыл бұрын
9:05 the nostalgia hit me. I remember going through goblins, chickens, cows... Then being attacked by a bear near Varrock (Idk if it was aggressive or I just attacked it for no reason :D). Just goofing around, picking random trash, and having a blast
@camiarmandav3ng3r-40
2 жыл бұрын
ahaha true bear years depend on lvl
@noobmaster31
2 жыл бұрын
I did this in RSC. Hit me hard too
@pacman_
2 жыл бұрын
A mote pl0x and a willmissit video to wrap the year. How exciting 😁
@jokered1133
2 жыл бұрын
Wish lodestones where a bit harder to unlock, like having them be quest unlocks or something, idk tho maybe I’m wrong.
@rswillmissit
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! There are a few quest-locked lodestones, but even these feel out of place when the majority is open season....
@jokered1133
2 жыл бұрын
@@rswillmissit yeah it makes sense you get a reward for discovering the area. Could be a quest/series of quests, even already existing quests not even new ones necessarily.
@RockTheEternal
2 жыл бұрын
Thing is, once vis wax came out, it highlighted what could've been: lodestone network giving 1 free "home teleport" with a 30min cooldown, BUT you could fuel the lodestone with vis wax and spend those charges for instant teleportation
@Belvarion
2 жыл бұрын
It’s very situational, I think the draw distance in a lot of cases actually makes the world look bigger in itself. However I do agree with fixing those areas that are suppose to be more hidden in certain situations, such as seeing other rooms you aren’t suppose to see yet.
@Dargonhuman
Жыл бұрын
Wait until you start poking around the area you're standing in with the FreeCam... I was doing the Underground Quest and saw a bit of ... something on the edge of my minimap so I went to look at it with FreeCam and found out it was part of the next leg of the quest that I hadn't gotten to yet, and some of the set pieces spoiled a huge plot twist.
@Knuffeldraak
2 жыл бұрын
My biggest gripe was essentially the LodeStone Network. The LodeStone Network literally ruled out so many teleport options that players might consider acquiring, while it's literally FREE to obtain too. All you had to do was walking to them...
@comyuse9103
Жыл бұрын
it essentially made half of the content in the game pointless. even an entire skill is worthless to have now.
@Knuffeldraak
Жыл бұрын
@@comyuse9103 let me read your mind; Construction.
@Tax.Fugitive
2 жыл бұрын
I think the map is awesome compared to other MMO's, far more beginner friendly
@aitnobetafaq
2 жыл бұрын
Lol no way man. I died a lot with my whole bank when i was just a little noob. I died tons of times to goblins and spiders. Then i finally found a bank in varrock. A place on the other side of the world lol. During the times i wanted to bank my stuff, i died alot to bears, a misclick on a guard or a mage when walking to varock everytime. I alleways wanted a bank in lumbridge.
@Thecelestial1
2 жыл бұрын
If you think it’s small start a new character and walk to yanille, hell even ardougne. It’s brutal. That being said the lodestone system and various ways of transportation make it seem easy.
@codyknight945
2 жыл бұрын
Ardougne tablet 🤪
@Thecelestial1
2 жыл бұрын
@@codyknight945 hahah, yeah It you have a friend
@belstar1128
2 жыл бұрын
White wolf mountain is a real barrier for low level players
@xarmanhsh2981
2 жыл бұрын
Lotro is way bigger
@Bishiboshii
2 жыл бұрын
I have a deep love for RuneScape, but as a player since 2008 I can say it is dead. It's spirit is gone and replaced by hungry corporate greed.
@afsoc4life
2 жыл бұрын
I do not recommend watching the Mist if you have an heart. Anytime I am reminded of it - I feel great tragedy at the ending.
@fridayhawks-spangenberg8979
2 жыл бұрын
I played RuneScape as a kid, but was young enough that the memories are foggy. 15 years later I came back and player RS3 for a good while. Recently I switched to OSRS to play group ironman with some friends. I missed the lodestones for a bit but now that I have a decent magic level I *really* appreciate the teleports. And being an iron woman, law runes are still pretty scarce since none of us can craft them yet.
@heftymagic4814
2 жыл бұрын
*ironman, those chemicals cant hide your male features
@Tessa3yearsAgo
2 жыл бұрын
I think I'm the only person here that didn't play as a kid and started playing as an adult lol. I only began my OSRS journey about 2 years ago. It's amazing and I wish I would have played it as a kid! For me this was a very insightful video, I enjoyed learning about how the game was back then!
@scaper12123
2 жыл бұрын
I'm fully in line with the opinion that distances need to be increased, but it's difficult to do properly. So many open world games these days are huge but boring because nothing fills those spaces, and Runescape is in theory much better because it's so economical with its space. But you're right: seeing everything at once makes everything feel small. What they need to do is greatly expand the world and then give us a reason to have to go out into the seemingly-empty world, but not forcing us to do so to get to certain important hubs by giving us accessible travel methods. The places beyond a hub need to be less traveled and feel like an adventure to go through.
@ImBarryScottCSS
2 жыл бұрын
Man if you don't know how it feels to walk from Lumbridge to Edgeville then I feel for ya. Pretty sure I could do it with my eyes closed to this day.
@lifevest1
2 жыл бұрын
That awkward moment when Wolf "Mountain" is as high as an 8 story building.
@thatguyinthecamohat86
2 жыл бұрын
Still pretty daunting when the tallest castles and towers are 3-4 stories
@jonadams8305
Жыл бұрын
When Lummy was as busy as the GE and going to the Gnome village was a journey you would prep and plot. As you went out if felt like you were wondering out of civilization. It was really neat back when Lumbridge felt like a central hub, you could actually see the large amount of players coming and going on their own adventures.
@chriswhittington5790
2 жыл бұрын
Never played rs1 but i remember when the lodestone network first released. At that time i had unlocked most teleport methods, fairy rings, crystal seed, both spell books, the hot air ballons, the mine cart, spirit trees and many pieces of teleport jewelry. While i like the expanded lodestone network (i dont have all the lodestones unlocked I'm missing 3) i feel that it makes some of the other teleports obsolete, why would i want the crystal seed if i can just use the lodestone that's close by and that kind of thing.
@Fridge_Fiend
2 жыл бұрын
God the difference between 2006 and 2012 seems like such a long time and the difference between 2015 and 2021 timewise seems like nothing. Is this what getting older is?
@Bee-zr5pb
2 жыл бұрын
I wish I could unread this
@The24thWight
2 жыл бұрын
Funny. I don't think of the world as SMALL at all, it is very connected, and you've got a LOT of transport options, but really until you've got agility levels mage levels and a bunch of quests crossing terrain can take AGES. but I suppose that's the thing, as you grow stronger the world shrinks.
@gamewithadam7235
2 жыл бұрын
I remember running out of runes for varrock teleport back in the day and having to run to the GE. That's why teletabs were so good back then.
@Nic_64
2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone have a link to that map he showed a few times with all the teleport / transportation things?
@rswillmissit
2 жыл бұрын
I got it through Alt1s clue scroll map. It's not complete with ALL teleports, but shows the majority. :-)
@Nic_64
2 жыл бұрын
@@rswillmissit Thanks! And great video btw!
@RafaSheep
2 жыл бұрын
There were also lots of arbitrary fences and barriers in between areas, like the one separating Lumbridge Forest from the Swamp, or the GE from the bandit camp, that were eventually removed or had a pathway cut through them. Run energy has also had massive buffs over time, making even Energy Potions and Musicians feel unnecessary in most situations.
@rswillmissit
2 жыл бұрын
Ahh I forgot to mention energy potions and musicians. I remember when the latter was released. They were such a nice QOL, but now I can't remember the last time I used one...
@latergator9622
2 жыл бұрын
@@rswillmissit musicians legit were op for like a year or two lol.
@Eyes0penNoFear
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, even having the option to "rest" to recover run energy faster was a big change.
@RafaSheep
2 жыл бұрын
@@rswillmissit Mod Osborne even proposed in a livestream to completely remove Run Energy so you could run infinitely.
@rswillmissit
2 жыл бұрын
Do you remember which livestream this was?
@terminusest9179
4 ай бұрын
To be fair, before teleportation existed in classic, you only really had 4 places to go; lumbridge, al kharid, varrock and falador. The distance even walking to get from 1 side of the world to the other would've been quite generous as opposed to right now or in OSRS.
@amanduuuh_7117
2 жыл бұрын
This is so funny to me as a newer player. I literally walk everywhere. I dont have any fast teleports methods except for lodestones. For me i really enjoy going through the world and finding new things, hearing the music change, seeing the lights change, spotting penguins and implings randomly. So for me it feels really big and perfect. But i can see how it can feel small to somebody who has everything.
@amanduuuh_7117
2 жыл бұрын
I can see a lot of nostalgia for these things in the comments. But those asking for change, just remember there are some of us still living and experiencing those things you're nostalgic for.
@Arborpress
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't watch the whole video. It's been almost 10 years since I've played RS3. Even in 2013 the game began to feel so goddam cluttered with mini games and crap placed everywhere it felt gimmicky and claustrophobic. The 2004-2007 game had huge portions of the game with no purpose (yet) it made the map feel more vast and explorable.
@some_hippies
Жыл бұрын
You can actually use Colony Teleports from the divination outfit to get to that spot even faster. I really liked exploring and finding new dangerous areas and having to run away in terror from areas like Brimhaven Dungeon or the Wilderness. Now that I'm maxed and can teleport and then mobile surge/Dive everywhere I go the game feels so small because I've memorized the world and can't be remotely challenged by wandering mobs, unlike when it was still RS2 and I was easily killable in my full mithril
@Kenionatus
Жыл бұрын
I have to say, the map never really felt tiny to me because it is so packed, not even in RS3 where you can see quite far. It's a suspension of disbelieve thing for me. Even back when I couldn't see Al Kharid from Lumbridge, I know it was just a stone's throw based on how short the walk was. Hiding islands makes a lot of sense tho. It's a bit like a map that shows everything enlarged, but you can walk on it. Some games that rely on travel taking time but also don't want to leave the player without the comfort of fast travel have found a ingenious solution: don't let the player take items along with them. Examples of this include EvE Online and Death Stranding. Runescape could have gone down this path and it might have been quite successful that way, but now it's too late to change it.
@askingwhyisfree7436
2 жыл бұрын
Game experience is more important than convenience. Just like in real life, easy doesn't mean better. When you make everything easy, you remove all the fun experience. On the other hand, if you make everything hard without thinking about the quality of experience, you will make people quit. It should be in the middle. It should not be easy but the hard part should be a fun type of challenging. Also one thing to say. Notice when phones became so advanced that people don't talk to each other anymore? It's the same in games. I remember when people chat all the time in training places. Players now talk only in clan chats and it's not the same. One advancement like phones in real life remove the other part of human experience. Group chats in runescape removed the fun of socializing in the game. SO sad....
@mousermind
2 жыл бұрын
I consider myself fortunate to know what Runescape was like before it dumbed itself down and tried to make itself a WoW clone. It was a real adventure, fun, exciting. Now it's boring af.
@Dan-ls6tj
2 жыл бұрын
It makes me sad that the game will never feel as magical as when we were young and it was new. It was so much more fun when no one knew how to play. The wikis for games are extremely useful but combine them with the growth of the internet and essentially every game’s mystery is dead. A lot of players just look everything up about a new game they get and, at least in my eyes, completely ruin the games for themselves. Even for Elden Ring, I purposely don’t look anything up about it because I want to learn myself but many people just google search something and it tells them instantly. Pretty stale IMO
@fourwinds3919
2 жыл бұрын
Cramming in new content into places that are already crammed has served to make locations feel smaller when the distance between them is non-existent. Various parts of Kandarin, Misthalin and Asgarnia are just huge conurbations and has been exacerbated by visual updates that increased draw distances. Heck, Taverley and Burthorpe might as well be one settlement now.
@Chiszle
2 жыл бұрын
I used to walk to save the law runes for Quests.
@Christopher_S
2 жыл бұрын
And there is boring old me that still dislikes the lodestone network.
@JordanJiujitsu
2 жыл бұрын
The lodestone network is so incredible. Especially because people have alot of daily stuff they got to do and it can make some things easier.
@iNick90
2 жыл бұрын
I think the teleports got out of hand when they started adding things outside of the normal magic book But then again this is also an rs3 video. You should see the Nexus portal in the poh in osrs. As long as you have house teleport you can be anywhere in the game
@baron3904
Жыл бұрын
But you actually have to earn a nexus portal.
@patrickconway2587
Жыл бұрын
i noticed this at fightcaves and other boss areas like dag kings. i remember both areas being huge and intimidating, now they feel cramped and tiny
@BLUESLYF0X
2 жыл бұрын
I've always had mixed feelings about the lode stone network, I like there convenience I think Jagex could have implemented it better by tying to the construction skill as unlocks so that way there is a use to the skill other than gate keepings most quests in modern day Runescape. Compared to Osrs, PoH's feel borderline useless other than the Aquarium and the Costume room now that you can also access it from the bank. Even Guilded alters are kinda overrated compared to what they used to be.
@Wulfenburg
2 жыл бұрын
I never played RuneScape, but admittedly I miss the days without the ability to just teleport everywhere.
@jaruto7743
2 жыл бұрын
What do you miss about it?
@gamerman7276
2 жыл бұрын
I only remember the Runescape world being very tiny.
@turdburglar123
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the spoiler warning for The Mist (haven’t seen it yet)- wish more people would be considerate of spoiling things
@Thaikuza
2 жыл бұрын
I miss the 2010ish days, those were amazing. I remember being in 4th grade, pking before & after school... Run home to play some RS. Some guy said he would buy me membership because he liked the way I pked lmao and actually did it and didn't scam me! That was amazing, never heard from him again after which was weird. Bought RS membership from my parents home line back in the day. Never thought I'd ever get so addicted to the game and maxing out 6 accounts lol. I miss this game but life has really moved on to grind all day.
@maggot129
2 жыл бұрын
Great video ! Also its precedent not predecent :)
@Tahha5544
2 жыл бұрын
I wish i could have the fun i did as a kid exploring the runescape world
@rosebrigade
2 жыл бұрын
I remember when I joined RS back in 2005 and exploring was just me getting lost constantly. But it was a good feeling, because there was a sense of wonder and danger. Even before the warning signs on dangerous places, I wandered into the Wilderness once by mistake lol. While I certainly miss my bewilderment days, I wouldn't trade away our teleports. The ease of access that allows us to move about lets us complete many things faster, get to places we need to be quicker. Honestly I often cursed having to walk to many areas or waste runes to teleport to them. While RuneCrafting existed when I joined, it still wasn't ideal because it took a long time or a lot of money to harvest enough essence or make a sufficient stock of runes. Magic itself was a pain in the rear even. These days Runes are one of the things you will have lots of, even without trying. But you'll more likely use it for other spells that mean more than teleports like enchants, High Alchemy, and Lunar/Ancient magicks, unless there was a location you could reach far faster than with the Lodestones or Jewelry teleports. Even new players are taught at the start of RuneScape now to immediately search for those Lodestones to make their lives easier.
@pokeliciousnchill2932
2 жыл бұрын
People still have the option to run to wherever they need to go or just not use certain teleports. It's kinda like Skyrim where adventuring to places can be really satisfying, but there's also times where you just want to fast travel somewhere to do something quick.
@vaporiiz
2 жыл бұрын
The Mist ending was iconic lol better than the books ending
@jubjub444
2 жыл бұрын
Why Old School is better.
@drawando8588
2 жыл бұрын
Suprised you didnt mention surging and bladed diving everywhere you want to go
@blakewanotch9648
2 жыл бұрын
The map is very much not small. It's a huge map. Very overwhelming for a new or returning person. I came back to wow after 2008 I'm 2019. And was overwhelmed by the amount of things to do.
@blakewanotch9648
2 жыл бұрын
It may feel small to someone who spent many years exploring it. But at the end of the day. It's HUGE. Usefully areas may be small specially when you min/max everything. But when everything is new. It's huge
@randomshotz13
2 жыл бұрын
As a kid the f2p world felt huge and was more than enough but you're so right that now everything feels much smaller. I have a similar opinion with quests, they used to take a good few hours as you read the dialog and figured out what to do, gathered the materials yourself. Now you just look up a guide and buy all the items you need before you start
@MegaChickenfish
2 жыл бұрын
4:00 and don't forget, even when teleports were added, runecrafting didn't exist, and there were no law rune spawns, not even in that building in the wilderness. You wanted those, you had to go kill monsters and hope for the drop.
@jman5949
2 жыл бұрын
I remember getting into the Karazi jungle finally and being flabbergasted how small it actually is.
@kungflupandemic7013
2 жыл бұрын
7:32 I think you meant precedent, not predecent
@Galimeer5
2 жыл бұрын
I actually do take walks to where I need to go from time to time.
@jarlbalgruufthegreater1758
2 жыл бұрын
First its overwhelming and in an instant it becames tiny. Happened to me in recent days when I did all the important quests instead of skilling (did skilling for years)
@Ivy-vv6zj
2 жыл бұрын
Hot take I really like how small RS feels. To me it makes it feel jam packed with content without the extra padding that vast open worlds provide.
@Eyes0penNoFear
2 жыл бұрын
There's some serious nostalgia watching those Classic clips. Those were some good times, wandering around with no clue what you're doing, but still having fun.
@nc7807
2 жыл бұрын
I honestly think lodestones were a huge mistake. If they wanted more teleports, they should have added items or spells for it rather than just giving everybody free teleports all around the world. Or at the very least they should have kept the 30 minute cooldowns on home teleport
@rswillmissit
2 жыл бұрын
There should've been a map available with charges like the Lodestone network, but instead of Lodestones you could've charged it with teleports you have available.
@MaXxOwnagesMel
2 жыл бұрын
I liked lodestones, walking the same road again multiple times isn't content and its not like teleports were ever that expensive, just slightly more work acquiring the law runes before the GE
@rns9644
2 жыл бұрын
Oh come on man what is it with rs players and hating QoL updates? Why would free teleports be bad? Please let me know. Thnx
@natesmith5273
2 жыл бұрын
@@rns9644 mostly just osrs players salty about eoc lol. I kid. But yeah. Its an odd thing.
@Fredfredbug4
Жыл бұрын
I remember my first trip from Lumby to Varrock feeling like a pilgrimage, and from Varrock to Falador like an odyssey. As a kid the world definitely felt huge.
@jmtrad1906
2 жыл бұрын
Let's be fair, this is one of the several things that can only be solved by remaking the entire game like it was from Classic to RS2.
@ZarkarGames
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, I dont mind having teleports everywere most mmo's have that, but the size of the map itself is so small, in the books its told that from varrock to falador its a two day travel, but you can almost see one City being in the other
@Geldahar
2 жыл бұрын
We have this thing called OSRS, you should check it out, lmfao
@SomniaCE
2 жыл бұрын
I recently returned to OSRS, having not played since I was like 14 some 13 whole years ago (oof I hate time). Having to start fresh, it is kinda nice walking to and from everywhere. Sure, the stamina system for running is pretty brutal by modern standards and leveling magic takes time, but it has been fun walking around the world and really feeling just how massive it feels despite how comically cramped it all is in reality. If Jagex stated they wanted to increase the size of the world somewhat to help compensate for how convenient travel is these days I 100% would be on board with that. Still, I find it funny that they feel the need to shvoe all of these fast travel methods into the game when walking from one end of the world to the other takes about as much time as it takes someone to just traverse a major city on foot in World of Warcraft or Final Fantasy XIV. Even at its absolute worst OSRS never manages to feel as tedious or padded out by travel despite having just as many QoL traveling options as other MMOs. As a mild aside, I do think a sprawling world helps give so much life, mystery and sense of community to an MMO. It is a shame that practically no one uses text chat in the game now and you rarely ever feel an attachment to the players around you since everyone is constantly teleporting around. Feels less like an interconnected world at endgame and more like a bunch of levels you individually select.
@sirellyn
2 жыл бұрын
Dark Souls had a similar problem. Dark Souls 1 was a better level designed game than all the others specifically BECAUSE it didn't allow teleportation until much much later in the game.
@S3Cs4uN8
2 жыл бұрын
That's not entirely true but it definitely was -a- reason for it. DS2 is plagued by it being a game that was rushed out the door before it was done because the original team lead faffed around for ages, DS3 on the other hand is fairly linear by design which has its benefits as well as downsides.
@sirellyn
2 жыл бұрын
@@S3Cs4uN8 In terms of level design, I don't see the argument for D2 or D3 being nearly as good. In terms of any other gameplay maybe. But I'm speaking strictly on level design. D1 was vastly superior. I have yet to see an argument against that.
@007kingifrit
2 жыл бұрын
so glad i play osrs this looks awful
@Edithgervais4289
2 жыл бұрын
i really believe the game needs a map rework, but know jagex that would take years
@prosbo
2 жыл бұрын
They've been working on that rework since release xD
@skfot5152
2 жыл бұрын
i wonder if this is why i enjoyed the great gielinor run achievement as much as i did, makes you see just how big this "small" world really is
@Xenn000
2 жыл бұрын
I had hours and hours of time to slowly get to place to place as a kid. Now as an adult with limited gaming time, taking 3 minutes to get somewhere vs 10 seconds is a godsend. You miss out on all the social aspects of the game when you would ask "where is varrock?" And a high leveled played would reply "follow me" and you would chat for 10 minutes while walking there. Good times.
@MrDoughnut99
2 жыл бұрын
Really thoughtful and interesting stuff! You offer a lot of fantastic insight into spatial design in the context of game design in this video. Even with all the teleports in RuneScape 3 now, I still find myself adventuring and running long distances for fun when I go killing mobs such as wolves; or bot-killing in the wilderness lol. Certain other additions such as the surge forward magic move make movement pretty fun to me, I like finding the most efficient paths. While the increase in render distance may have sone wonky side effects as you mentioned, and may in some ways make the world as a whole feel smaller/closer together, it also makes the immediate “world” of space around your character feel bigger. I love the ambiance provided by being able to see the surrounding scenery. I’m really fascinated by your point about how the game map was not designed for such far-reaching “sight” (rendering), and the different examples of parts of the world that were supposedly far apart being basically adjacent.
@Tarantulah
2 жыл бұрын
I honestly love the size of the runescape map, you don't have mounts and sprint is limited so it means it feels like you're actually covering real distances despite going quite moving quite slowly. Though I only really play OS so half of these things don't affect me
@JamesBond-ux1it
2 жыл бұрын
osrs system best, lodestone poop
@ahmadhoteit890
2 жыл бұрын
Tiny and still empty af lol
@Jrakula10
2 жыл бұрын
i feel like you neglected to mention surge and bladed dive, and the mobile perk. the speed we can move around the map is incredibly quick.
@rswillmissit
2 жыл бұрын
Good point! I personally view these as mostly popular in specific content rather than moving around too much; when doing Agility I usually am only a couple squares behind the surge users due to the small delay they get after performing the ability. But maybe I'm wrong?
@AndrzejGieraltCreative
2 жыл бұрын
As an occasional OSRS player, I think I’m rather glad I never got to that point.
@djockom
2 жыл бұрын
This game fucking sucks
@thetruesoml2118
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Have you ever done anything about the RSOF? I'm sure Tuffty would love to give you some content into it. I've got memories of the Rants forum disappearing, and I'm sure a lot of the other reworks had their own drama I missed.
@rswillmissit
2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Or, somewhat. I've finished a script about the 2017 Penguin hide & seek drama and Canada Grrls demodding, which mostly revolved around a new forum rule against weekly threads on the forums. It is by far the most drama the forums have ever seen, so I guess that counts somewhat :-) Much respect to Tuffty though. I featured him once in a video due to his record forum post count!
@Semirotta
2 жыл бұрын
Why? because its tiny for free players, but paid players its not. Just locked behind quests most areas. P.S The Mist movie was magnificent when it was released. I just wish there was more into the Mist itself and exploration in it, to see the creatures in it. Some sort of proper explanation and visible confirmation of the reason why the Mist and it's creatures appeared etc. P.P.S Imho the original classic Runescape is the only good Runescape, the next ones are garbage.
@Nature_Runes
2 жыл бұрын
I see you all the time on world 100, i didn't realize it was actually you! im gonna say hi next time. Love the videos pal. RSN: Nature Runes
@thegatorhator6822
Жыл бұрын
If I had any comment about the overworld it's that it just feels incredibly *cluttered* these days. You can't walk a few tiles without bumping into some content that feels kinda stuffed in where ever they could fit it. Really think the game would benefit from another large continent and some repositioning of content that doesn't need to be in it's current space.
@Jcecil17
Жыл бұрын
iv never done this.
@PrestonGraff
2 жыл бұрын
RSC didn't have running, but everything was closer together, and the walking speed in RSC is faster than the walking speed in rs2. Also, the running feature came out in the rs2 beta, not initially, but a month or so after it came out, which was before march 2004. It's faster to walk from lumby to draynor village on RSC, than it is to walk on rs2 from lumby to draynor village
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