This is so frustrating cause yall dont even understand the movie and you're just shitting on it for no proper reason
@briangadd4639
4 ай бұрын
You are right! My first time watching these two reviewers, and definitely the last!
@0_Master
2 жыл бұрын
Also why tf are some people crying abt wanda being different 💀bruh she lost everything how do yall wait to see her mentally stable??
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Not mad about her going coco-puffs, just mad about how they did it. Could have been a whole long, dramatic descent into darkness, but to us it felt rushed. - Sam
@RM-qj8cs
2 жыл бұрын
@Marios 2005 Thor he lost everything and not for that he will take it out on the rest
@willcopeland275
2 жыл бұрын
@@RM-qj8cs thank you
@Lo-sv8ce
2 жыл бұрын
@@willcopeland275 he didn’t use the dark hold also
@dragon_ninja_2186
2 жыл бұрын
Also they clearly stated that she was corrupted by the Darkhold!
@Hyp333R
2 жыл бұрын
Actually Illuminati was team in marvel comics, but the squad was little bit different: Iron Man - Of the Avengers Prof. Charles Xavies - Of the Mutants Black Bolt - King of Inhumans Namor - King of Atlantis Mr. Fantastic - Of Fantastic Four and Doctor Strange - Of himself At somepoint they also approached Black Panther to join them, but he refuses.
@christina8101
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly 💯
@redjustice37
8 ай бұрын
I’m like a year after this video was uploaded so I don’t expect anyone to read this but regarding the problem with Wanda’s evil feeling rushed and there not being a dramatic fall into the darkness, the reason is simply that it wasn’t needed. That is what the darkhold does. It attaches itself to the reader (metaphorically/mentally you could say) and corrupts them. It attached itself to her pain and want for her kids and made her lose regard for anything else. The whole concept of the darkhold is that it darkens whoever has it. She could’ve found the darkhold without the loss of her kids and still become evil because of it. That’s the darkhold’s whole thing
@dion9781
8 ай бұрын
exactly
@revendax2584
4 ай бұрын
Exactly, I don't understand why people say the Darkhold corrupting her is "lazy" writing or a cop out. I mean the book has lots of useful information but it also has been stated to explicitly corrupt the owner based off their desires. Like, evil book is evil and corrupts. Wanda gets evil book at the end of WandaVision, she becomes corrupted. Why was that so hard for some people to get?
@joshuaoneal233
2 жыл бұрын
That scene when Xavier tries to pull Wanda from the rubble, that was the Wanda in the Illuminati's universe put away in a tiny corner of her mind, the Wanda who's the Scarlet Witch put her in there while she dream walked in her body, as for the Marvel's Illuminati, well I'm not sad for there deaths (maybe Mr. Fantastic and Professor X). Plus in comic history they've had a history of making questionable choices and screwing up royally, like launching the Hulk into space without his consent, encourage the Skrull empire to plan their secret invasion after they goaded them not to mess with them, getting captured and studied for their shapeshifting research, and finally when multiple earths were going to collide with their earth, they suggest killing them so their world will survive. Not to mention the Scarlet Witch in comics had descended to being a villain due to mental health breakdowns which caused the deaths of Hawkeye, Vision, and Ant-Man, not helped with the heroes choosing to put her in isolation instead of calling a therapist like Doc Samson (super-hero therapist), plus WandaVision had some elements from House of M story basically altered reality where everyone was happy including herself, but it seemed to good to be true and the heroes confronted her. Sorry if I'm ranting but I try to find explanations to help things make sense.
@mariosimon2180
2 жыл бұрын
That’s the most real Wanda , the Wanda that comic fans we love !!! 😍😍😍😍
@LawReUp
2 жыл бұрын
The Darkhold corrupted her what did u expect? 😭
@johnsantos507
2 жыл бұрын
Man, imagine if the Ghost Rider💀🔥⛓ show up in Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness.😅
@dss77rr
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsantos507 he was gonna
@johnsantos507
2 жыл бұрын
@@dss77rr Well, he wasn't.
@dss77rr
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsantos507 ik. But they did shoot scenes
@johnsantos507
2 жыл бұрын
@@dss77rr You mean a fake picture were Ghost Rider facing 838 Wanda?
@MrNoob-ev4kt
2 жыл бұрын
28:05 you can see that Wanda’s black fingertips is sort of fading as the copy of the darkhold she owned was destroyed but the corruption didn’t fully vanish and the black fingertips returned when she entered the wundegore castle as the darkhold spells originated from there. Just a theory tho.
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Love that little detail! Never stop coming up with theories - that's what makes it fun! - Sam
@iseekrophe6443
2 жыл бұрын
It's just a problem with Her makeup
@MrNoob-ev4kt
2 жыл бұрын
@@iseekrophe6443 i’ll stick with my theory 😅
@dion9781
2 жыл бұрын
what u guys cant understand is that youre not supposed to be okay with what wanda is doing, just like the comics shes the VILLAIN of this movie, this is who she is, shes not being controlled by something, while yes she is being corrupted by the darkhold, its still her decisions and her actions, she does this because shes lost so much and she needs her children, its a shame that you guys really didnt understand her character and were too focused in other things in the movie, i genuienly dont understand how you didnt like this movie especially wandas character, we are seeing someone that after so much trauma she just bursts out, doesnt care about anything other than herself and her children, and you guys cant see her motives and just see her just being bad to be bad
@scarletwitch8047
2 жыл бұрын
Yess ty someone said it
@HaughtBreakerNic
2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much everyone sees what they're trying to do. The point is that what they're trying to do was a horrible idea. The problem is there was NOTHING that led from Wandavision Wanda to this crap. Wandavision ended with Wanda realizing what she was doing was hurting people and sacrificed her children and Vision for the greater good. They showed her being remorseful and wracked with guilt, followed by 5 seconds of her in isolation reading the dark hold. Then suddenly she's hunting a child through the multiverse, destroying countless worlds and we're supposed to just accept it? Not showing that transition does a disservice to Wanda and her entire character arc. It's garbage.
@RM-qj8cs
2 жыл бұрын
@dion She is a crazy schizophrenic, stop defending a badly written character
@dion9781
2 жыл бұрын
@@RM-qj8cs imagine saying this but then goint to defend loki
@justsherman4
2 жыл бұрын
This was a sub par movie. I don’t know why you can’t understand that for someone whose so concerned about what people can’t understand. It’s not a bad movie, but it’s not that good either. I can easily understand anyone either liking or not liking this movie. Relax a little. If you don’t like the reaction don’t watch.
@baiovarii2180
2 жыл бұрын
I think your review shows that how people interpret the ending of WandaVision is crucial to love or hate Wanda's arc. If you think she coped with her grief and was ready to move on, the explanation "the Darkhold corrupts people" is a cop out and her character doesn't make any sense. I thought the same until her conversation with Monica and the post credit scene. For me Wanda didn't showed any remorse that she enslaved a town she just left and I hated that Monica didn't mentioned this in her response. Yes, she created the hex unintentionally but starting with episode 3 she was aware what she was doing. After this she is reading "the book of the damned" and the first thing she hears are her children she just lost. IMO she "accepted" the death of Vision but didn't "accept"the loss of her children and the promise that she could have a family through the darkhold made her snap. I find it telling that she didn't search for a universe that had all four of them together. Sorry for the long comment but I'm fed up with comments that don't accept that people can view a story differently. At the end it's art and art is divisive. As long as I can follow the reasoning, even if I don't agree, I'm ok with it.
@j.israelsson
2 жыл бұрын
You just pointed out the main weakness of this horrible movie. It would perhaps be a good movie if you as the audience yourself fill in all the many story holes that Sam Raimi and Michael Waldron hadn't the competence to include. Sam Raimi makes the same movie all the time so he was obviously the wrong director for this movie. And Michael Waldron has shown with this movie and Loki that he can't write good dialogue how hard he tries. Sam Raimi chooses effect over emotion so he never really takes anything seriously. He just runs between story plot and story plot never staying enough to give the scenes any weight. Compare how they did the introduction to Echo in Hawkeye which made you interested in her after just a couple of minutes with the awful presentation of America Chavez who happened to send her mothers to another multiverse but directed with such a distance that you just, "yeah whatever".
@buzzcutseason142
2 жыл бұрын
?? what do you mean?? lmao wandavision was clearly a redemption arc origin story, not a villain one. she was already the antagonist from the very first episode (tho we didn't know it yet) and then she wasn't. kinda stupid how she'd realize what she was doing was wrong and then went back to try and get the kids SHE let go when she could've just not let them go in the first place? and if you have to read between the lines and make connections for yourself since the movie barely bothered to actually explore her corruption then its not a good movie. it was stated countless times that she's simply corrupted or "too far gone" and that's it. did she enslave an entire town with intention once she realized? yes. but how else could remorse be remorse if you don't do something to be remorseful for?? we all know she did evil stuff. but she clearly changed in the end, brought the hex down by her own accords, and quite explicitly said "im sorry for all the pain i caused". her becoming a villain again right after was nonsensical and jarring, and even with the darkhold corruption storyline - that storyline itself wasn't even done right and even if it was, i would think we were already past the point of using fleshed out characters, especially female ones, as plot devices conveniently controlled/corrupted by some evil artifact just so they can be the catalyst of events.
@TheeWandaStan
Жыл бұрын
@@buzzcutseason142 a common complaint i’ve seen is about how the darkhold corrupting her was lazy writing and destroyed her character but the people who keep saying that obviously didn’t fully comprehend wandavision OR what the darkhold is and how it works. these movies shouldn’t have to spoon feed every little detail to the audience, THAT would be lazy writing… and at this point, y’all should know that some of these shows/movies are required watching in order to fully comprehend what’s going on. Wanda accepted the loss of *Vision* , not her kids and that then became the core of the darkhold’s delusions. Next time, make sure you’re up to date on mcu lore and that you’re actually paying attention when you watch cause clearly you’ve either missed the point or just didn’t get it.
@buzzcutseason142
Жыл бұрын
@@TheeWandaStan now why tf u attacking me i was literally defending her??
@TheeWandaStan
Жыл бұрын
@@buzzcutseason142 replied to the wrong person my bad bestie 💀
@paulnonya4417
Жыл бұрын
With all due respect have either of you ever read a comic book in your life? Or are you just fans because of movies? Either way it's okay but if you are a comic kid like me you would understand that the Scarlet witch's power is omnipotent. None of them were any match for her. And not everything that happened to her was half fair.
@SilentBob731
2 жыл бұрын
Like my Grandpa always used to say: "Sonny, if everybody liked the same things they'd all be after your Grandma". 😉
@arkaprabhasarkar8634
2 жыл бұрын
1) The Illuminati is part of the comics 2) John Krasinki was the popular choice of the fans to play Reed Richards in marvels 2024 Fantastic 4, thats why he was cast in this movie(does not mean he will be the official mr. fantastic) i liked the movie when i saw it in theatres and still do, Yes there are plotholes a plenty but every marvel movie has so.
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the fun facts! Personally, I’m a big fan of John Krasinki, so it would be fun to see him as Reed Richards. I’m glad you liked the movie, plot holes and all! That’s what movies are all about 😁 - Sam
@arkaprabhasarkar8634
2 жыл бұрын
@@theshamelist first time getting a reply from you Sam. Thanks for seeing my comment. Looking forward to The Batman
@RM-qj8cs
2 жыл бұрын
@@arkaprabhasarkar8634 Dr Strange in the multiverse of madness It's a very bad movie
@arkaprabhasarkar8634
2 жыл бұрын
@@RM-qj8cs thats your opinion...... im allowed to have mine, just like sam and jacqui
@diypropsmodels7064
2 жыл бұрын
America Charves is a well known character base on the Marvel Comic so I think 90% of fan would recognize her
@thorbear
Жыл бұрын
I don't think 90% of fans would recognize her, although that might come down to how you define "fans", and I'll have to question how "well known" her character is. She was first introduced in 2011, her character in the comics is more recent than the first 5 films in the MCU. My own knowledge of the comics is somewhat outdated, as I haven't really read any comics since the Amazing Spider-Man "ended" in 2013, but I had never heard of America Chavez until this movie, and had almost the same reaction as Jacqui and Sam.
@diypropsmodels7064
Жыл бұрын
@@thorbear I also don’t know her but a lot of fan recognizes her soon as Doctor Strange 2 trailer released
@scarlettgrey1529
2 жыл бұрын
just wanted to say that marvel wasn't pandering, America Chavez has two mums in the comics, in fact she comes from a world of women only, she's also a canon lesbian, this was genuine representation.
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Really? See! That’s good to know, thank you for your comment! - Sam
@iamdeathiamentropyiamdarks3517
2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious to know how they give birth
@scarlettgrey1529
2 жыл бұрын
@@theshamelist what's even crazier is that in the comics Americas world was made by the demiurge, which is Thor's grandfather (I'm fairly certain) but Wanda's son can also travel time, and it was revealed that he is the demiurge, so Wanda is basically Thors great-grandmother
@accam6734
2 жыл бұрын
It's an excellent film. One of my favourites in the MCU.
@robertdaredevil5459
2 жыл бұрын
yeah
@joenobody5631
2 жыл бұрын
Always good to see Elizabeth Olsen's Wanda, but the movie was a mess. Inexcusably bad writing.
@shawn6306
8 ай бұрын
@@joenobody5631 not to me i love the writing it was good writing to me it wasn't a mess to me that's just my unpopular opinion but i respect your popular honest opinion
@dion9781
2 жыл бұрын
the entire outro discussions shows how ignorant you guys are to wanda as a character in the comics and just in general
@faro8594
2 жыл бұрын
Yes they are
@AlexGonzalez-tx8qs
2 жыл бұрын
That’s a fact lol I’ve watched about 2 dozen reactions to this movie and this one is the worst by fucking far. Miseducation and ignorance is crazy. Missed hella key points and intros into what’s to come cause they assumed shit
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, you really don't like us. That's okay, everyone can have different opinions - after all, they're just movies. - Sam
@Grigori_Weaver_2002
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I mean if you read the comics yull understand better sure people can get mad by saying we use "read the comics" but that's what these things derived from is the comics if you read the comics yull understand things better and yeah opinions are opinions but I hate it when people trash on the movie without looking at source material for characters sometimes
@jadenhawkins6706
2 жыл бұрын
You shouldn't have to read comics to understand a character IN A MOVIE ITS A MOVIE Wanda as a character In the MCU is inconsistent the whole point of Wandavidion was her dealing with that grief and learning she had to accept the fact she couldn't be with her kids but in this movie she reads a book and gets the most ultimate plot armor ever and uses her evil doing to Brutally kill people and before you go the Darkhold corrupted her it didn't take over her body it put the idea in her head that she could have her kids back everything else she did was free will she had full control over her actions stop capping for her.
@TheKillaShow
2 жыл бұрын
Im pretty certain that the Wanda Xavier was speaking to in her mind was that world's Wanda, who was being trapped by our world's wanda doing the dream walking. Xavier was trying to save his world's Wanda. And failed. Our Wanda is responsible for her own actions. With a little prodding from the Darkhold. Also, shes not dead. Not a chance in hell.
@HiteshKumar-up9cs
2 жыл бұрын
Pardon me but there's so much stories to tell in this movie between charles and wanda he can tell her(as a mutant perspective obviously) about her father her relationship charles can save wanda from becoming deadly IMO.🤷🏻♂️
@TheIcemanthomas
2 жыл бұрын
@@HiteshKumar-up9cs magneto is NOT her father
@johnsantos507
2 жыл бұрын
If our Wanda is not truly dead, then I hope she will find redemption.
@TheKillaShow
2 жыл бұрын
@@HiteshKumar-up9cs Reminder, the MCU is not the comics. And who is to say Wanda wont speak to Xavier in the future?
@Skull101ify
2 жыл бұрын
Regarding John Krasinski, the reason why he was casted as Reed Richards was because for years he's been a popular choice by fans to play the part! So Sam Rami said "let's do it!"
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
We love it when fan-favorites get chosen! Means that the people in power actually listen to their audience, which is awesome! He did a great job too. - sincerely, Sam
@TheDominicTyler
Жыл бұрын
There are parts of this that make it clear neither of you actually comprehended what was going on in Wandavision
@roro9475
2 жыл бұрын
yknow this movie is actually pretty great when you don’t have someone yelling in your ear about how horrible it is
@Grigori_Weaver_2002
2 жыл бұрын
True
@shawn6306
8 ай бұрын
i love that part when wanda character said i'm not a monster i'm a mother i feel bad for wanda i don't think that is evil evil meaning that i just think she is just hurt he lost everything that she loved and she is just misunderstood that's all that's the reason why she is doing bad things she is doing it for revenge i'm on wanda side i do feel sympathy i do feel her pain i agree with her i just think doctor strange just don't care what she is going through i do agree with wanda that doctor strange is being a joke i think doctor strange is the real bad guy villain to me and i think wanda is the good one in my honest difference perspective and i also want to share my favorite scenes in this movie doctor strange muliverse of madness is when doctor strange and america jump into muliverse by getting a glimpse to other muliverses and my other favorite underrated scene is wanda killing other alternate universes of the illuminati i didn't had no problem with that at all the only thing i didn't like is when she killed xavier because i really love him so much i was so happy that he was in this movie don't get me wrong i think that's a good scene how she killed him but i didn't want him to died he did nothing wrong to wanda he wasn't about to hurt wanda at all but if xavier did hurt her than yes she has the right to kill him the thng is i think she killed him for no reason and my favorite underrated scene is when doctor strange is going up against his other alternate version of himself fighting with music notes and i love the part when zombie strange wink his eyes it wasn't crngy to me i love that moment but the only thing that disappointed i had a problem issue me about this movie is that they only visit two universes i just wish they visit more muliverses that's the only thing i didn't like about this movie and my favorite scene is when wanda cry said i'm not a mother and alternate wanda said know what they will be loved but i love everything else about this movie i think this is a ok decent movie i don't think it's a great movie but i also think it's not the bad wrost marvel movie ever to me it didn't hate it this movie at all in my honest unpopular opinion
@Zombie_Trooper
2 жыл бұрын
Like I've said a bunch, one of the things I wish more people knew going in was who Sam Raimi is and his style because a lot of complaints levied against this film boil down to whether or not you understand his approach to filmmaking. It's not for everyone, but like a lot of the great filmmakers, it truly helps the experience if you know what you're getting into. Marvel gets criticized a lot for being too safe so they've taken a chance by bringing on more auteurs and filmmakers with unique sensibilities.
@j.israelsson
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah sure its the audience's own fault if they didn't like it. Sam Raimi is a superbad director who doesn't take anything seriously Kevin Feige made a huge mistake hiring him and rehiring Michael Waldron. It was a really sloppy movie. It was a character assassination of Wanda Maximof. Poor Elizabeth Olsen who still delivered it all. Badly directed badly written, stupid story plots, really a sloppy movie. Sure this is a movie for Sam Raimis fan boys who is satisfied with som campy jokes and som campy non-jokes and some callback to movies they've already seen, but I don't think that is the limited audience Marvel wanted for this movie. Being a lousy director doesn't mean you're an auteur.
@Zombie_Trooper
2 жыл бұрын
@@j.israelsson 1. Read I wrote. 2. If you're gonna be a ignorant troll go do it somewhere else. If you don't like the film, fine, if you have genuine criticisms against the film, that's fine too, but don't slander a SUCCESSFUL Filmmaker because you're too smooth brained to appreciate style and aporoach...which as it happens are literally aspects that set artists apart and earn them the title of autuer. Think before you just run your mouth like your opinion is somehow superior or something. Thanks for playing, try again, kiddo.
@j.israelsson
2 жыл бұрын
@@Zombie_Trooper Sure as I've written on some other comment, case in point compare the really excellent presentation of Echo in Hawkeye, with the sloppy presentation of America Chavez. You are instantly interested in the character of Echo but a potential really big emotional development for America was just glossed over and also in a memory bank that they just happen to step on on the street, that is sloppy writing and directing for you. Raimi seems to ruin every scene that has a potential for some emotional depth with a campy joke which proves he doesn't take his own movies seriously (I will probably need to explain here for you that taking a movie seriously doesn't mean that it can't be funny). Another Strange wants to kill America. Wanda has turned evil bam, we introduce Reed Richards, we kill Reed Richards, we introduce Captain Carter, we kill Captain Carter, we introduce Professor Xavier, we kill Professor Xavier, on to the next thing, Raimi is like a kid in the candy store running around licking on as many different candies as possible not really appreciating any of them. There were so many opportunities lost for developing the characters of both Steven Strange and Wanda Maximof but in the end all we got were some campy jokes. Good for you if you are satisfied with that, you are lucky!
@Zombie_Trooper
2 жыл бұрын
@@j.israelsson You do realize you neutralize your entire point by assuming that I'm some fanboy because I appreciate Sam Raimi...right? If you came to me willing to talk shop I'd gladly entertain it but you're obviously not worth the time, kid. You're a dime a dozen "film bro". Your entire opinion is predicated on what your 10th grade teacher told you constitutes good story so you become willfully ignorant of approach, style, and all the other aspects of film theory that set the art form apart. Once again, you can have these criticisms, frankly I can agree with some of them, but discounting the entire product because this film didn't do exactly what another film did? Go read up on film theory, go understand FUNCTION and how characters like Reed DO NOT need to be fleshed out to such a degree. The Illuminati aren't the focus and should not pull away from everything to re-establish things, that's wasted time, that's basic film theory. Wanda's entire arc is understated and conveyed through performance, she didn't need to chew the scenery with more expositioning dumping to make her points known. And if you need a litmus test on my initial point watch Natalie Golds reaction. The moment she realizes it's a Raimi film her entire demeanor changes because it clicked why the film plays like it does. Knowing the Filmmaker and their approach can definitely make or break an experience for someone. Same was true for DePalma, Malick, Lynch, Hitch, Jarmusch and so forth. Go read "Understanding Movies" by my pal Louis. He goes in depth on a lot of these subjects. Or look at my write ups for the GARF network or in the 1001 Movies series.
@j.israelsson
2 жыл бұрын
@@Zombie_Trooper I've seen her reaction already and yes I agree you have to know that this is a Sam Raimi movie in order to really understand why you're laughing at it instead of with it.
@mohamadhusaini1974
2 жыл бұрын
That's why the title have word "MADNESS" 🤣 Even the audiences will mad
@suraj7119
2 жыл бұрын
The green minotaur is Rintrah. He wasn't in any of the comics I read, but I read about him a bit. He's also a sorcerer from another planet in another universe, who also has shape shifting abilities. I guess he was supposed to be an Easter egg for hardcore comic fans.
@akashdeepganguly5853
2 жыл бұрын
Couple weeks after this movie came out, I commented on fictionaldarling’s channel saying how I didn’t like the fact that they literally Daenerys Targaryened Wanda’s character 😂 Love both your reactions btw, came here through your sense8 videos.
@TheLoos3Goos33
2 жыл бұрын
Don't feel bad about criticizing something. You shouldn't have to know the comics, this is the Marvel "CINEMATIC" Universe. Respectfully, to comic readers, none of that matters if it's not shown or explained in THESE movies. If you have to have extra knowledge or watch some "What you missed in X Marvel property" to 'understand' the movie, then they've failed as filmmakers.
@gaborkiss650
2 жыл бұрын
We are 14 years into this and you still didn’t get the memo that these are not standalone movies?
@gaborkiss650
2 жыл бұрын
@@mysticdigital5936 Well thankfully nobody is forcing you to watch these bad movies. But then how would you know they’re bad? Do you watch every one of them to realize 100% of the time it’s not a standalone movie, just to watch the next one too? Doesn’t seem smart.
@terminatrix92
2 жыл бұрын
I would argue that all the set up we need for Wanda is peppered throughout the MCU regardless of the comic books: Wanda started in Age of Ultron as a misguided villain bent on revenge, she helped create Ultron who destroyed her own city! Both Tony and her are duplicitous here. In Civil War her attempt to save lives at the beginning unintentionally killed Wakandans. Obviously that was a mistake but you don’t easily get over that! During Infinity War she was forced to kill Vision and it meant nothing, that grief eventually led her to snap and take 3000 people hostage. At the end of that journey she’s wrestling with all her loss but she doesn’t truly repent for a serious crime! Then she gets her hands on the Darkhold which unlocks her full potential but at the cost of her soul. What I’m saying is I don’t see this as a Daenerys Season 8 situation the character is inherently conflicted! I still see her as redeemable. If Loki and Bucky can come back from killing hundreds why not Wanda?
@4Tom4lepus4
2 жыл бұрын
@@terminatrix92 I think very few people have a problem with Wanda going villain. The problem is that the Darkhold was not appropriately set-up before this movie and not explained enough in this movie to make this development feel earned. In WandaVision, it was literally just a book that we knew nothing about. If they had showed us Agatha reading the book in episode 8 of WandaVision and had showed us how she got corrupted by it, then we could have been like "Oh shit" when Wanda opened it. But they didn't do that. Then in this movie, we get told "Oh yeah it corrupts people. Also, has some demonic connection" and that is *all* we get for this supposedly super powerful, super important book. This should have been a longer-arcing story, but they threw it away in some exposition lines and that's it. The world-building/lore for the magic/demons/witchcraft stuff was practically not there, and the movie as a whole suffered for it. In general, I feel very disappointed by this movie. The complexity and depth was just not there for any of the characters. Wanda, America, even Strange... none of them had any earned character development.
@terminatrix92
2 жыл бұрын
@@4Tom4lepus4 Not every film is going to be a huge leap in character development but there's clearly a lot of moral complexity going on in this story. Both Wanda and Strange are being forced into decisions they dont want to make. Strange is literally confronted with progressively more evil variations of himself, each who has tried to do something good through doing something bad. And he still ultimately chooses to damn himself because that's who he is! We as an audience didnt know the loss of his sister was the reason for this but it makes a lot of sense. As a Doctor he will do anything to save lives. America is basically a macguffin in this movie but she's been set up as a character and gained the confidence she is known for. Its an introduction! We know her power set and her potential, we saw her take control of them, we know she lost her parents and wants them back, motivation. As for the Darkhold how much do you need to know about the book of the damned that corrupts everyone it touches?? We see how its done this to 838 and Sinister Strange. We also see how this corruption increases with every use; black fingers, increasingly evil actions, etc. We're introduced to Wanda as a desolate person in this film, all she has is visions of the children she cant have. Accept she has a book that could make that possible. What else do you need to know?! Im guessing when Agatha returns we will see how she was changed too. Im fascinated to know if or how they will redeem these characters after this. If Loki can come back from killing hundreds of New Yorkers, Bucky can come back from assassinated people for Hydra why cant Wanda and Agatha?? That's also why this ISNT Game ofThrones season 8. Because its not the end of the story!!
@mauricecupido3325
2 жыл бұрын
As a fan of the comics i really liked this movie, but i do appreciate the honesty of your reaction 😂😂😂. Y'all really didn't hold back. Looking forward to the Joker reaction.
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment! We’re glad you liked the movie and that it was so true to the comics - that’s the vibe we’ve been getting and that’s awesome for fans of the comics! Sincerely, Sam
@VanArchon
2 жыл бұрын
The minotaur is from the comics and named "Rintrah". All the black accents are specifically the influence of the Darkhold on her as you'll notice the same going on with the other versions of Dr. Strange that used it. America Chavez has two moms in the comics as well. "The Illuminati" exists in the comics and for the 616 comics universe originally consisted of Dr. Strange, Professor X, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Mr. Fantastic, Black Panther (T'Challa), Black Bolt, and Iron Man. They formed to try and coordinate their various teams/factions against things that threatened the entire world and a little bit beyond. What's amusing though is that due to various egos (Iron Man, Dr. Strange, and Namor in particular), they couldn't ever agree except once and after which, Black Panther promptly quit. John Krasinski has been a huge fan cast for MCU Mr. Fantastic pretty much ever since he lost out to Chris Evans for Captain America so that's the other significance. So Wanda was never trapped in her own mind. She was corrupted by the Darkhold but it was still her. Our Wanda (616-Wanda) "dreamwalked" (one of the spells from the Darkhold) to possess the body of 838-Wanda and 838-Wanda was the one that Professor X talked to mentally. It wasn't some trapped version of the "good" side of our Wanda. When 616-Wanda destroyed the Darkhold Citadel, there was no other trapped personality within her mind. Don't get me wrong, I get your criticisms and I agree with quite a few of them. Sam had it right with the part about the mental manipulation tactic as that is exactly what the Darkhold was doing to her. I think part of the problem though is that the abruptness was so jarring that it was easy to miss that the Darkhold is Just That Bad. Reading even a single page is a Very Bad Thing, and we saw her flipping through the pages at the end of WandaVision. Using the spells from it is even worse than that. So reading/using the Darkhold isn't a downward spiral, it's riding Captain America's shield with grease on the bottom down a nearly vertical snow hill and even as someone that understands that, I do think they could have done a better job explaining it. I did enjoy the movie, particularly the Illuminati cameos knowing as much comic history as I do, but it was definitely very tropey. Oh and Charlize Theron was playing Clea, who is related to Dormammu in the comics and at one point is Dr. Strange's wife. They were headed into the Dark Dimension from the 1st movie.
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your detailed comment! It's nice to learn about the background and backstory more, since neither of us are comic book reader. We appreciate you - Sam
@VanArchon
2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@alyssongg8532
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, its not like she had two minds, the scarlet witch is just one being, Wanda herself had learned to let go of her "family" she didnt do all that from nonsense, its explained in wandavision that the darkhold is the book of the damned, and here again is said that it corrupts anything it touches, agatha had black fingers as well! and as you can see in the end of the movie wanda was insane because of the corruption, her skin was pale and she looked like a zombie, in the last episode of Wandavision she was studying the darkhold to understand her powers, not to get her kids back, when you hear them calling for help it was the darkhold "tempting" her as she studied, because of that it lend her crazy and put the idea that she had to get her children back, no matter at what cost, the corruption was broken when she realized all the murder she did, after watching the terror in her boys eyes, thats why she started crying, and said she would never hurt anyone, she did not want to do any of that, it was the darkhold that lend her to that, same with sinister strange (the one that got the darkhold) his fingers were black, he was crazy, and look all the damage he did because of the corruption, killed multiple alternate versions of himself and caused destruction of whole universes.
@light5869
Жыл бұрын
Third eye in mythology is not a sign of evil infact it's total opposite... it's the sign of pure consciousness and strength
@SilentBob731
2 жыл бұрын
11:49 This is a lovely and heartfelt analysis by Sam & Jacqui that the movie is about to take a giant dump all over. 💩
@beebo-lectric
2 жыл бұрын
that movie was directed by sam raimi (director of 3 spider-man movies of tobey maguire and also known the director of the evil dead franchise) you were noticed in the multiverse of madness does have some spooky elements because sam raimi thinking that it's a story of a wizard and a witch so it's gonna have a little bit of scariness. i loved where sam raimi reference some elements which are very reminiscent "army of darkness 1992" (starring bruce campbell) like existence of a portal behind the door, a broken mirror with a little ashes and then shiela who was wearing red and she turned into a witch. man, in the multiverse of madness it's a good movie! @25:28 a cameo of bruce campbell, a long time friend of sam raimi, also he appeared in many movies of sam raimi.
@kaibricturner8836
2 жыл бұрын
Sam’s hands were all over this movie and rightly so. The writer wrote the movie to fit his style. Also the director of the first movie was known for horror too which I didn’t know. They were always gonna do a horror styled sequel to Doctor Strange. It might even get darker in the future. Plus the Illuminati is source material from the comics which is probably something these two don’t know.
@Grigori_Weaver_2002
2 жыл бұрын
Yep I thought Sam did great with this movie there is so many evil dead style shots in it
@suraj7119
2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the transitions, they are classic Sam Raimi transitions, made famous from Brain Dead and Evil dead days. Though they felt out of place in his movie, I didn't mind them as a Raimi admirer.
@dalehowe2140
2 жыл бұрын
The feel like you missed that the wanda trapped under the rubble was the innocent wanda of that universe not our wanda the scarlet witch also she isnt possessed by the scarlet witch she IS the scarlet witch. The darkhold is influencing her darker instincts but i wouldnt argue even that is possessing her
@revendax2584
4 ай бұрын
36:05 I think one of the things this movie did a poor job of connecting was how much the Darkhold corrupts Wanda. When you're talking about how she got over the fact that she couldn't have her kids in Wandavision but changes her mind in this movie its because she learns through the Darkhold that she can still be with her kids in another universe and how the Darkhold takes that strong emotion and basically overcharges it by 2000% which is why this quest of hers consumes all her thoughts and efforts. When you view it from that lens it all makes sense, but again, they didn't do a very good job of connecting that information in the movie here. Rather you would only understand this by reading between the lines, so I see alot of reactors who are confused or don't understand why Wanda did a full 360.
@BlackFlightNY
Күн бұрын
The final scene of Wandavision was literally her reading from the Darkhold, so the movie didn’t “change her personality out of nowhere”
@joaoggarinart
2 жыл бұрын
This is so bad at many things. They tried to put too many things for fanservice instead of developing character progression to make things more believable. Wanda killing everyone coldblooded was so weird. America suddenly being able to control her powers just because Strange told her to.. Strange being able to contain the darkhold corruption but wanda not... Idk. Kinda hate it. This should have been the climax of a long build up throughout some movies. To excuse all this bullshit saying "but all marvel movies have plotholes" or "its a movie, things needs to be rushed".. Its just silly.
@j.israelsson
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@MrThierryFournier
2 жыл бұрын
I'll give this to this movie, they gave us a version of ''America'' that made the right decision by the end. Oh, one more thing, Wanda was not a monster, she was a Momster. Ironically, this movie came out near mothers day, the major theme of the movie was motherhood and the abreviation of the movie is Dr.S: MoM.
@j.israelsson
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah written, produced and directed by three men. Happy mothers day!
@MrThierryFournier
2 жыл бұрын
@@j.israelsson it makes no sense to me that Wanda would directly go to kidnap another Wanda’s kids. Just get pregnant by yourself. They are such things has fertility clinics. Or just go get this universe Paul Bettany‘s baby mix and voilà. Bake for 9 months and you’re good.
@andrewolibris5656
2 жыл бұрын
Bruh this movie is based off the comics. How she is in the movies is how she is in the Comics. Wanda isn’t always a hero she is literally the most powerful villain in the MCU. For you guys to understand why she’s doing what she’s doing you need to read the comics. Wanda lost so much already that she’s not looking forward to losing her kids either.
@SilentBob731
2 жыл бұрын
Season eight of Game Of Thrones was excellent, it just should have played out more slowly and largely over the non-existent ninth and tenth seasons. Daenerys was always going to go down that road, those idiots Weiss and Benioff just plowed through the whole third act of the story so they could go play with Star Wars (from which they were quickly released due to their failure to stick the landing on G.O.T.) . I feel like Wanda's arc is more fully earned. She lost everything over and over and the Darkhold offered to give it all back, making her an easy mark for its power. Also, I just love her in Full-Power Kick-Ass Bitch Mode. 👍😍
@vishkorg
2 жыл бұрын
when u don't know comic and base everything on movie you granted to get disappointed.. I like wonda as villan but as a hole movie was average..
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Apparently if we were comic book readers then we would have had a very different opinion of this movie, but that’s life. Thank you for your comment! - Sam
@VintageEagle260
2 жыл бұрын
Thing is this ain’t gotta do with real life it’s based on Marvel comics, like what?
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
All art is influential to real life. - Sam
@suraj7119
2 жыл бұрын
This was my most anticipated MCU movie post End-game, because of 1) It being advertised as a horror movie 2) Sam Raimi directing it 3) It was a direct follow up to the brilliant Wanda vision 4) Talks of "what if" being in someway connected to the movie through the multiverse concept. And it ended up being my least favorite MCU movie since Captain Marvel, which is one character that has a Superman problem. Way too over powered. I wish the Marvels gives her a good character arc
@goldret2
4 ай бұрын
First off, the meaning of the third eye is not evil. It often represents perception and a state of enlightenment. In the comics, Doctor Strange does indeed have a third eye, which is often depicted as coming from the Eye of Agamotto (which does not contain the Time Stone). It has many different uses, which I would suggest you look up. Secondly, with regard to Wanda’s story arc, it’s possible that some of your issues with the film stem from your lack of familiarity with the characters in terms of their history in the comics. In any case, while I agree with your assessment of Game of Thrones S8, there are sufficient clues regarding her turn to evil, such that it should not be surprising. The Darkhold corrupts everything and everyone it touches.” At the end of Wandavision, she is studying the Darkhold. You’re supposed to realize that some time has passed between those events and the events of the movie. You don’t just pick up the Book of the Damned (a magical artifact) and go through it overnight, particularly if you have NO magical training. Wanda had no formal training in the use of her powers, which in the MCU are not mystical in nature. She’s basically self-taught. Doctor Strange would be able to use it right away because of his expertise and extensive training in Kamar-Taj. Anyway, my general point is that there are a number of things that you evidently didn’t understand about what was happening.
@samuelclayhills3298
2 жыл бұрын
To be fair the most popular scarlet witch comic is where she goes evil and literaly commits genocide on every other mutant. Also mamma bear has allways been like this but usually the bad things happen to people that try to hurt the kids. Althoug noone needed to see dollar store Niccocadoavocado and his generic and forgettable other person.
@nininahazwearmand-gael5639
2 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie i loved the movie, would have preferred the more horror version based on the original script with Scott Derrickson. But I loved this reaction and understand the criticism. Btw wanda was not trapped in her own mind. That version was the 838 wanda she was possessing.
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
We support your love for this film - to each their own, especially movies. Thank you for clarifying too! - sincerely, Sam
@nininahazwearmand-gael5639
2 жыл бұрын
@@theshamelist You're welcome!
@loganmooney9867
Жыл бұрын
This is earned for Wanda. We saw how sad she was after she had to kill vision and watch him die again in infinity war. We saw how angry she was about visions death in endgame when she confronts Thanos. In WandaVision she takes over a town and recreates Vision and creates her boys. She then has to essentially kill Vision again and kill her kids. Then she gets her hands on the darkhold which corrupts her on top of everything else. Also scarlet witch and quick silver in the comics are the kids of Magneto. They start off evil and become more anti hero characters. Because Disney didn’t have the rights to x men when they introduced them is why they killed off quick silver in age of ultron. Also why they are going this route. She’s suppose to be evil but they didn’t have the link to x men and Magneto to get her there. Sorry big comic book fan.
@davidmcleod5133
Жыл бұрын
I was an MCU SUPERFAN before this came out. Every film up until Endgame I either loved, or LOVED (yes, even Thor 2). Had plans for an Avengers tattoo. This movie? THIS MOVIE??? It single-handedly ended my fandom. I haven’t been back to a theater to see an MCU film since. Worse yet, it tainted WandaVision (the BEST MCU project), thus probably making it not my most hated MCU film, but my most hated movie ever. EVER!!!
@thatkiwidud
2 жыл бұрын
47:45 if you actually go back to when wanda burns the book of vishanti (however you spell it) before it burns it opens up and you can see a star on the page which is referring to America Chavez which is why strange gave her that speech.
@h3llsBells
2 жыл бұрын
I understand how some people didn't like the wanda direction but me personally liked it..because she does start as a villain in the comics i also like how powerful she is in this movie because she really is powerful. In the comics she erase all mutants just by saying no more mutants so that's something I would like to see in the mcu at some point. The universe Strange and America end up is the most comic book accurate universe we have ever seen. Also remember Wanda and now Dr strange have been corrupted by the book.
@titaniumcommandrig
2 жыл бұрын
Because it destroyed her arc in Wandavision
@h3llsBells
2 жыл бұрын
@@titaniumcommandrig continued actually
@noahcarrier7064
2 жыл бұрын
just a reminder The Scarlet Witch isnt a separate entity she is wand and wanda is the scarlet witch the reason shes so different is trauma on top of the pull of the darkhold on top of gaining so much power and knowledge at once also not all wandas become the scarlet witch
@ryanpovey44
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I totally agree with you the MCU movie Wanda didn’t accept who she is until she defeated Agatha in Wandavision like she faced trauma where she lost her parents than her brother then vision then the twins then the darkhold corrupted her showed her the twins and told her what to do
@noahcarrier7064
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanpovey44 thats why the darkhold is one of my favorite marvel artifacts bc it doesnt just make u straight evil it takes what you really want and twists it so that its unrecognizable but by that point its too late and it's already pulled u in its so interesting and though i have read some if not most of the scarlet witch and spidermans comics my knowledge really ends there so if anyone knows of more comics/backstory on the darkhold lmk!
@Thed538dhsk
2 жыл бұрын
I like evil witch Wanda. Very spooky.
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Very spooky indeed! - Sam
@daniellawrence7926
2 жыл бұрын
This reaction is so cringe. I know this movie wasn’t the best and but this is so cringey to watch , so much sarcasm and being dramatic for no reason mostly because they “ruined” wandas story yes the writing was bad but y’all make it way worst to watch.
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you had a fun time hate-watching us! - Sam
@2447cutiepie
2 жыл бұрын
As a redhead, I will always be on the side of the redhead 😂🤚🏼
@LenaDee666
Жыл бұрын
OMG I didn't notice it when I first watched the movie (cause I was so annoyed by it, Scarlet Witch and all), but the dude was like forced to punch himself by Strange, that Bruce Campbell aka the king of thieves from Xena😍 Love that I wrote this and literally a second later you commented on him xD
@suraj7119
2 жыл бұрын
Also Bruce Campbell makes a cameo because of his Evil Dead franchise collaboration with Sam Raimi, including the unexpectedly brilliant and short-lived Ash vs Evil Dead TV series.
@joenobody5631
2 жыл бұрын
I love that you two hated this movie so much more than even I did. 😂
@4Tom4lepus4
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree with you that this wasn't an earned development for Wanda. It was rushed as hell with sloppy logic. There were so many ways they could have arrived at this level of villainy for Wanda while still making sense and having build-up. But no, who needs good writing when you can have ~ horror.
@najhoant
2 жыл бұрын
29:54 Actually, the comics main universe is called Earth-616 in the comics, but the MCU is called Earth-199999 in the comics, so it's a bit of a continuity issue. I'm a bit surprised they didn't call the movies' main universe Earth-199999 and make another "what a silly name" joke
@bobvisen7833
Жыл бұрын
And no hate but i dont think u guys understand the concept of dream walking
@bobvisen7833
Жыл бұрын
They decided at last moment to Switch the movie’s direction because their was supposed to another BIG BAD and she was supposed to be helping strange in whatever was supposed to happen and then she was supposed to be the villain in the next avengers movie but she is confirmed to come back
@xzoar2812
2 жыл бұрын
some of your commentary is funny because it seems like you know enough about Wanda/marvel but your still not getting it. I agree, Wanda should’ve never been the villain in this movie. they wanted her to be a villain in avengers 5, sadly due to covid, the director was able to change that. He wanted Wanda to be the villain in his story and basically said that “he wasn’t gonna let another marvel movie rob him from having an evil Wanda in HIS movie.” thus the bad writing because HE REWROTE THE ENTIRE MOVIE BECAUSE OF IT💆🏽💆🏽🤦🏽 But we got what we got and it could’ve been worse. I agree on the sense that they should’ve done something with Wanda in wandavision since we basically were left on a cliff hanger but Wanda isn’t dead. Agatha said the her power is on autopilot and from what we seen in this movie, allows her to protect her self unknowingly. Wanda will be back to finish her story and this isn’t to far from the comics. Also the dark hood doesn’t turn people into zombies. yes the black finger tips are to show the user being corrupt but Agatha used the dark hold for thousands of years and was never harmed by it. same for Wanda, we aren’t going to see zombie Wanda in this universe. In the comics Wanda has died and came back, she’s done terrible things to get her kids back, so this isn’t far from a reach like y’all are acting.
@j.israelsson
2 жыл бұрын
Apologist! You don't get it. It's not the fact that Wanda did terrible things, it was the fact that it was sloppy writing and directing.
@xzoar2812
2 жыл бұрын
@@j.israelsson no and i said that. I even said why it is terrible writing. they should’ve went with their original concept of Wanda actually helping strange and being a good person in the film. or did you just choose not to read that part? But like i said the writing isn’t to far from what happens in house of M or in wanda’s general arch. Wanda literally going crazy due to losing everything and searches how to get her kids back. so people freaking out like how these people did is so hilarious, because in the comics Wanda doing this, isn’t actually far fetch. that’s why i said they don’t know enough about marvel to actually be happy that we at least got a decent plot not a good plot. A decent one. again it could’ve been worse.
@christina8101
2 жыл бұрын
When you understand the comic books you'll really appreciate all that is accurate in these films. I think if you commuting watching the mcu, you should definitely research on the comics they are pulling from. The same goes for Thor love and thunder. I have studied film as well and I understand I cannot use the exact same logic when it comes to the stories. These characters, storylines etc. Are from the comics
@Skrappy
2 жыл бұрын
America did have 2 moms in the Marvel comics so I don't think they were pandering
@AlexGonzalez-tx8qs
2 жыл бұрын
They’re uneducated forgive them 😅. Not to mention there’s literally a timeline where captain America and Tony are in love published decades ago lmfao but yes it’s ✨PANDERING✨ 😂😂😂😂
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Agree to disagree, but thank you for commenting and watching with us! - Sam
@friedrice7876
2 жыл бұрын
@@theshamelist how can you disagree on a literal fact
@Deadpool-px2nm
2 жыл бұрын
I mean... the Darkhold was already stated to have corruptive power. It isnt rly a surprise that Wanda was corrupted by the Darkhold, just like the other Strange/s. I think I get it tho. By saying u didnt feel this was earned, did u perhaps feel the story-telling (on Wanda's villainy) was too abrupt/needed more build-up? 'Cuz yea, I can kinda see what ur saying if thats the case.
@naenae07
Жыл бұрын
Y’all must not know the comics or lore behind the names and stuff lol. This reaction is biased on ignorance but that’s okay. 😅
@fayesouthall6604
2 жыл бұрын
I found my first view of this film, I didn’t get it. A second viewing meant I got it a lot more. Especially Wanda.
@jthomann71
2 жыл бұрын
The thing about Wanda is she's almost always been the villain with exceptions for Ultron, who used her. and Thanos, who killed her husband. I get the basis for it, she's had a pretty shit life since childhood, but she's made the choice to do bad for selfish reasons. Her argument that Strange breaks rules and is the hero and that she does it and she's the villain is flawed. He broke the rules by giving Thanos the time stone because that was part of the one way they could (eventually) win. He bargained Tony's life for the stone, which Thanos was about to take anyway. If Thanos had killed Stark he'd have been dead, not snapped, and he couldn't have made his sacrifice to ultimately end Thanos in Endgame. Strange broke the rules to save half the universe. Wanda enslaved an entire town to give her back the ghost of her husband. Selfish vs selfless. Wanda was the villain even before the Darkhold corrupted her and she became a mass murderer. And I sympathize, I have 2 redhead daughters who love their redhead heroes, too.
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Your analysis is solid and we certainly agree that Wanda’s journey had been very mixed and chaotic. Thank you for commenting!! - Sam
@bingeful6508
2 жыл бұрын
So, someone probably wrote this already. Wanda is not possessed by the scarlet witch, scarlet witch is just a name-an alias for a witch who has chaos magic. 616 Wanda isn’t possessed she’s just corrupt by the darkhold. Earth 838 Wanda (With the children) was possessed by 616 Wanda (scarlet witch) Charles attempted to free 838 Wanda from 616 Wanda. I do agree that in movie was visually stunning but ended up being hot garbage. 😩
@0_Master
2 жыл бұрын
Advice just dont watch mcu movies when yall dont get the whole point
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Solid advice! - Sam
@thebrickmaster4549
2 жыл бұрын
Wanda’s what you call a yo-yo villain’ she’ll go from a deadly scarlet witch causing disaster to trying to bargain with people and try to make them understand what she’s going through so no one gets hurt’ and then back to the deadly scarlet witch again who doesn’t care witch lives she has to destroy to get her children back.
@redfielduniverse
Жыл бұрын
Not true. You misunderstood what happened woth Wanda. That's not what kind of villain Wanda was. Wanda was a villain that was spiraling out of control. In the beginning, she had some sense of right and wrong. She even said it. "I dont relish hurting anyone." She bargains with Strange to hand over America peaceful. She doesnt geel happy hurting people, she sees it at this point as a means to an end. Which is why she says in the end "They'll never know" When Strange continues to push in her face that her children arent "real" (which if you read the comics, you know are real) she spirals more and more. She after that point stopped bargaining. She never bargained anymore. So you saying she's a "yo-yo villain" is wrong. She's a grief strickened woman whose been corrupted by The Darkhold. Plus the reason why she runs from authority and more is because of The Raft. She's knows that of she is captured or taken in, she will be locked up, never to see the light of day again. And of the rumors from the few reliable sources out there are true, she's coming back in the two Avengers movies stronger and more powerful than ever. Moreso than in this film. Now will she continue to be a villain or a hero.
@thebrickmaster4549
Жыл бұрын
@@redfielduniversesorry’ maybe I can put it in a more understandable way’ i won’t disagree with u but doesn’t the Scarlet witch take over Wanda when her anger and grief gets the better of her’ because in the scene with her kids near the end wasn’t there both of them in the house’ so wouldn’t that mean two different versions’ one good one bad? And in the scene with Professor-X wasn’t Wanda trying to escape the prison that the Scarlet witch was holding her in trapped in her mind’ so technically the Scarlet witch wouldn’t be one but the movie kinda makes her look like one by jumping back from the good version of her to the bad version of her’ and with them being almost identical it kinda made it feel like it was the same person at some times.But if I’m wrong please enlighten me on it’ I would like to hear your opinion on it.
@redfielduniverse
Жыл бұрын
@@thebrickmaster4549 The Scarlet Witch is 616 Wanda. Our Wanda is The Scarlet Witch. Its her destiny and Title. There is only one Scarlet Witch. The Scarlet Witch does not overtake Wanda when grief and anger get the best of her. If that were the case, SW would have appeared in Endgame when she was fighting Thanos. The Wanda you saw in Wanda's mind with Professor X was 838 Wanda stuck. He was trying to free 838 Wanda. He said, "If I can pull you from under the rubble, the spell should break." 616 Wanda isn't under a spell, she's corrupted. 838 is under a spell that 616 Wanda casted called dreamwalking (basically possession). 616 Wanda, who is corrupted, can peak through at times. It happened When talking with Wong on Wundagore about her children. And it happened with America when talking about her remembering all the horror she's caused. Then she completely breaks through at the end. Remember The Darkhold is essentially The Scarlet Witch's (616 Wanda's) book. It was made for her when the throne/tomb was made. It's not going to have complete control over her but enough to make her not think straight. But I understand where you are coming from. I do see the back and forth, but its not enough to call her a yo-yo villain. She's a villain who spirals down and down until she can't anymore and has no choice but to face her truth in the end. Which of course leads her to kick her bucket (we know she's alive). Wanda under the influence of the Darkhold feels her actions are justified but uncorrupted Wanda (normal Wanda) knows she's done terrible things. But she also knows that she can't be captured by the law as she will never be set free again. Wanda is a complex character who has earned this villain turn. The reactors say she didn't, but she definitely did. Therapists have said she has earned this turn especially with the hand she's been dealt. Anybody saying her villain turn was rushed, clearly hasn't seen the arc coming since Civil War/Infinity War. At that time, she was literally declared a tragedy character who can literally find no happiness. And when she does, its ripped away from her. Same with at the end of WandaVision. There was no way she was going to make it through the movie without turning bad in the end as the original movie script showed. Sorry for the long comment. I get a little carry away when typing. But that's why I think she's not a yo-yp villain. But if the rumor that came out recently is anything to go by, she's coming back stronger and more powerful than ever. Which to me means, more powerful than in this movie. So if people thought she was overpowered in this, they are going to be in for a wild ride when Wanda returns. :) P.S. I love your username. When I think Brick master, I think Eliie from The Last of Us.
@thebrickmaster4549
Жыл бұрын
@@redfielduniverse thanks so much for enlightening me on her caricature’ I really appreciate all the information’ I get a bit carried away when writing comments to sometimes’😅 I never new there was so many versions of her in that movie’ but I have heard that somewhere in faze five there will be a MCU movie completely based on her caricature’ it would be nice to get a bit of a background story of the Scarlet Witch’ there’s a rumour going around that the red flash of her power’s that appears right when the temple is falling on her was her using them to teleport out of there before she was completely crushed by it’ who knows” maybe that’s how she gets another movie’ I mean she is a great caricature’ it would be a shame to have her death so soon.
@MrSavigma
2 жыл бұрын
Actually come to enjoy both of your reactions having watched you with Ted Lasso. But this reaction is appalling. "That's gross" over every thing that happens as if you're offended. It's a marvel movie called Multiverse of madness. Why are you going into it expecting a sensible realistic return from it? Enjoy it. You're literally making any excuse to hate it.
@j.israelsson
2 жыл бұрын
You chose to not listen to their objections. Their objections are unfortunately very much valid with this movie.
@MrSavigma
2 жыл бұрын
@@j.israelsson only as much as they refused to give it a chance. Movie was ruined 5 minutes into it if you watch their reaction. No way to recover. Especially when you know the style it was going for.
@vanessastaysnerdy9676
2 жыл бұрын
Gotta say I'm kinda surprised that you're so mad about how they handles this, it wasn't that far off of her melt down in the comics. And it wasn't rushed either, she's lost everything since her first appearance...
@DrawingMagicBoy
2 жыл бұрын
They made Wanda into a crazy villain immediately and explained it as 'corrupted by the darkhold' without even showing her getting corrupted
@fujinerz1220
2 жыл бұрын
@@DrawingMagicBoy she read the darkhold though if u resd it then u get corrupted
@DrawingMagicBoy
2 жыл бұрын
@@fujinerz1220 I know but they should have showed us how she got corrupted
@DrawingMagicBoy
2 жыл бұрын
@emvlvo yeah but a small credit scene that isn't even longer than 1 minute is not enough to explain how the darkhold made her go crazy evil
@fujinerz1220
2 жыл бұрын
@@DrawingMagicBoy it doesn't have to show because once u read it u will be corrupted immediately
@kikimariposa
2 жыл бұрын
Leaving aside the reviewers' misunderstanding about 838-Wanda being possessed by 616-Wanda (instead of 616 following Strange & America to that universe)... Something I noticed recently: Wilson Fisk in "Into the Spider-Verse" was trying the same thing (stealing an alternate version of his family) and there was no question that he was the villain there. But Wanda's grief kept us hoping for her, instead of just going 'nope'. It's a villainous thing to do, no matter what the gender of the person proposing the idea. My problem with this movie is that it used Wanda as a plot device, or it approached it as: Wanda is too powerful, let's take her out of the equation. (They're gonna regret that when Kang comes calling...) Which. Why? Gah. That whole part of the movie was just-- not well done. Not well explained. Leaves out White Vision floating around out there somewhere. Took some cheap and easy ways out that could have been done in the first 5 minutes, really., for all the character growth that America and Wanda were allowed. ... Okay this is long, suffice it to say: while I enjoyed bits of this movie, I hated the end unless they bring Wanda backa again, somehow.
@MasterZeus94
2 жыл бұрын
I've found you guys via Spider-Man No Way Home and I loved that one and this one. I don't know how many MCU movies have you seen but please do more! :D
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
We’ll do our best! - Sam
@novocode
2 жыл бұрын
When I watched it, I found it to be about middle ground. You were right, the visuals were stunning. And while there were parts that I was thinking "this is pretty good", I can understand your criticism and agree as well that were parts that were a miss. So it was a neutral movie for me. Didn't love it, but didn't really hate it either. Sorry that this movie left a bad taste... everywhere. Hopefully the next phase will be better...
@brianng8350
Жыл бұрын
I like this movie. Granted, it pretty much redo or undone Wandavision. In Wandavision, she was unintentionally evil, but in this movie, she is totally evil even though she realized her error in at the end of Wandavision. And at the end of this movie, she repented again? But visually, and action wise the movie was fun. The parts were better than the whole.
@najhoant
2 жыл бұрын
33:17 John Krasinski has also been a popular fan casting for Reed Richards for years. Because he's married to Emily Blunt, she's also been a popular fan casting as Sue Storm
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
How cool would it be if they were cast together in the movie?! - Sam
@jokerz7936
2 жыл бұрын
Blunt was also cast as Black Widow in Iron Man 2. But due to contract obligations she had to do Gulliver's Travels and Scarlett Johansson got the role.
@johnsantos507
2 жыл бұрын
And who's gonna be the Actors of Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm?🤷🏿♂️
@damareoncanady9971
2 жыл бұрын
Dr strange was using chaos magic like Wanda,which is red and not dark magic.
@KendyJ929
Жыл бұрын
Their incredulity is killing me!
@scxrlet._widxw
2 жыл бұрын
Idk if someone said this yet but. You know that guy who punched himself repeatedly? You should really focus on that because he looked, and spoke to us, that’s breaking the forth wall, like I thought deadpool can only do that????? (Sorry this is stupid 🙃)
@user-eu6xb2ju9o
10 ай бұрын
It doesn’t feel right because the directors of Multiverse Of Madness never watched WandaVision which is why they tried to basically make Wanda do all of these extra stuff.. I do agree it was rushed but I don’t agree that you guys are putting this narrative abt what Wanda should and shouldn’t be wearing, “sending those creatures after myself was mercy” she wasn’t lying.. I’m sorry but the guy did not make this reaction any better 😅.
@countingtls
2 жыл бұрын
Good job Sam, holding up the post commentary. Despite what character arcs they have in the comic universes, just looking at the Marvel universe arc, I also feel this is not a very good story telling. Plots demand characters to act, instead of characters pushing the story forward. This is especially troublesome for a "Doctor Strange" movie. Doctor Strange in this movie is very passive and not having much agency. Movie plots pushing Wanda's, and in term dragging Doctor Strange along. My personally theory of how we got this, is that the script had been heavily rewritten, probably with a draft before WandaVision, and was forced to redact and increase the part for Wanda's arc due to the success of WandaVision. The original plan might be there really is a demonic villain (say like Mephisto from the comic), chasing America and creating destruction across multiverses, and finally reach this universe's Doctor Strange and enlist the help of Wanda, but Wanda becomes under control or is manipulated by the demon, so Doctor Strange have to run to several multiverses, and the demon just keep jumping to different Wanda. And finally, due to Wanda's sacrifice, Doctor Strange is able to defeat the demon. This would be a pretty standard superhero movie arc and a "Doctor Strange" script (notice that in this script, Wanda can be replaced by any side character, and it would still hold). But with Elizabeth Olson's talent and WandaVision success, somewhere along the way they just merge and simplify the plot to put Wanda in the center stage as the villain and wish to attract more viewers. And in a sense, this strategy actually worked to a degree, but the result is, this becomes a fairly Wanda centric Doctor Strange movie, with subpar plots and arcs for both of them.
@stealthyyy4003
2 жыл бұрын
oh- and she didn't die, it was said that she didn't die
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Cool! Thank you for your comment. It’s helpful! - Sam
@brianvernon249
2 жыл бұрын
Personally I think Aisha Tyler and Charlize Theron should play sisters. They look too much alike, especially when Tyler hosted Talk Soup. People: start writing a will reading screenplay for them.
@TheeWandaStan
Жыл бұрын
there definitely should have been a scarlet witch movie before this one but it is what it is
@SilentBob731
2 жыл бұрын
40:03 If they kill off Charles Xavier.... 3...2...1... 😱🤣
@smd1876
2 ай бұрын
Im glad you said it's a bad movie
@jeffreythiessen2821
2 жыл бұрын
This was painful to watch it’s like you guys don’t know anything about Wanda in the comics
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
That’s because…….we don’t. - Sam
@Vizionzs
2 жыл бұрын
@@theshamelist well all you should know that she’s bad and good in the comics she’s done way worse things in comics
@Dreaming707
2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your anger and reactions so much!
@tonyn1628
Жыл бұрын
thanks for the very honest reaction. nice refreshing real content
@crystalfire5564
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! There are a lot of angry comments just because people don’t agree with you. SMH I thought it was an interesting movie that could have been done better. I agree with you on how quickly Wanda spiralled into being “evil”. And I love how you compared it to season 8 of game of thrones. It does have that exact same kind of feeling. Like there were hints that things would develop this way but we just need some more time to see it fleshed out before going full on Burn it all down! Overall I don’t think it was awful but I appreciated hearing your thoughts on it. As another commenter said, Everything Everywhere All at Once is an absolute must see. I hope you react to it.
@guisesi100
2 жыл бұрын
Omfg stoping fucking pausing 😭
@crystalfire5564
2 жыл бұрын
It’s a reaction video. They are reacting to it. They pause so they can say their thoughts without missing things.
@guisesi100
2 жыл бұрын
@@crystalfire5564 you can express your “reaction” by the simplest way possible, face expression, just like most of the KZitemrs do
@Antimatter805
2 жыл бұрын
The best reactions are the ones who don’t read comics👌🏼
@tommythegamehillbilly
Жыл бұрын
It feels like that no story is going to get right for you no matter what anybody tries to do to make things better it always gets picked apart I understand why you're mad but Wanda originally in the comics wasn't a good guy her father is Magneto it feels like nobody's going to get it right and I'm sorry that you always feel like that's the case I can't speak for you and how you feel all I can say is I'm sorry that you feel this way but it feels like you're mad that your favorite characters didn't go the way you wanted them to instead of the way they were originally written like I said before I'm not mad at you for your opinions I greatly appreciate everybody's opinions and I do love you both for your reactions I'll continue to watch
@suzieq3604
2 жыл бұрын
This movie was banned in a few countries because of the scene with Americas moms
@reverance_pavane
Жыл бұрын
I was very disappointed by this movie, for much the same reasons you point out.
@reliablereindeer
2 жыл бұрын
Not a big fan, huh?
@theshamelist
2 жыл бұрын
Was it obvious? - Sam
@LenaDee666
Жыл бұрын
wait regarding the smaller dogs comment, Jacqui, how small are you? xD
@theshamelist
Жыл бұрын
Standing tall at 5'2" ❤️Jacqui
@LenaDee666
Жыл бұрын
@@theshamelist Was just curious cause I'm tiny myself. So, that comment got attention xD I'm 5'2" as well, I think always have to check cause I'm using the metric system usually xD
@jthomann71
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone suffers grief and many suffer trauma in their lives, but you still make a choice in how you deal with it. Inflicting pain and damage on others is inexcusable no matter what we go through.
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