“For all those listeners who haven’t read Elantris in the last 15 years, what’s a Svrakiss?” Listen, I re-read Elantris 5 months ago, and I forgot what Svrakiss were.
@rbkskillz
2 жыл бұрын
"Demon" I think in Fjordell language.
@voidsabre_
2 жыл бұрын
"Deniers of masks" has a different implication now than it did when Bands came out...
@nathaneshler4099
2 жыл бұрын
I just got into Brandon's work the last few months, and have binged many of your podcasts, I love this channel! Happy new years to everyone on the team, and I'm glad I can wait for the Lost Metal with everyone in the community!
@dookieshoe2905
2 жыл бұрын
It's only been maybe a year and a half since I started The Way of Kings on a whim. It looked interesting and I kept hearing Sandersons name. I've since read every bit of Cosmere there currently is, except for Dawnshard. I've been saving that one for a rainy day, but its been a while now so maybe it's time to do it. XD I can't wait to start Stormlight for the second time, just finishing Memory, Sorrow and Thorn first.
@diepie5144
2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts on Odium being Trell is that: Rayse would not have the balls to go for Sazed, but Taravangrian does.
@diepie5144
2 жыл бұрын
Also in regards to Metalborn in the south: being considered a god has many benefits
@telekinesys7025
2 жыл бұрын
The thing is: I don't think (or at least I don't hope so) that Brandon would basically spoil the Ending of SA 5 in a Mistborn book. Because if that red mist is really Odium, he must have found a way to nullify the contract. That is a plot point too major to just tell us about. There being Odium's agents I have no problem with. But Trell being ACTUAL Odium is something I don't believe.
@harveyweir8061
2 жыл бұрын
A reason that Trell could be interested in wax is dependent on how secure Harmony's messages to Hoid were in RoW Epigraphs; Harmony mentions looking for a sword, something that can act more directly than himself. Then in Shadows, TenSoon mentions that Wax is Harmony's Ruin. If these two things are the same, and Wax was the "tool" mentioned, then Trell could have learnt of Harmony's intentions. Given Era 2 being post SA5, it makes a lot of sense - ESPECIALLY if Odium is related to Trell in any way
@xcalibur8884
2 жыл бұрын
My theory is that Trell is Discord, a splintering of Harmony because Sazed is an imperfect vessel for Ruin and Preservation. It calls itself Trell because that was knowledge in Sazed's metal minds. That's why Sazed is focused on finding a new vessel in the RoW letters, because he needs someone to cover the entirety of Ruin and Preservation. Also he highlights in the letters that the shards are stronger than the minds that hold them. Suspect I could be wrong, but I like how the idea feels in regards to the overall plot of Mistborn
@joshcabrera7212
2 жыл бұрын
One thing i want to point out is you say that sazed is looking to find a new vessel, though from what I recall he only wanted someone to do tasks that he cannot do because of the conflicting powers, not find a new vessel.
@xcalibur8884
2 жыл бұрын
@@joshcabrera7212 "The power of Odium’s Shard is more dangerous than the mind behind it. Particularly since any Investiture seems to gain a will of its own when not controlled". You're not wrong that he also says he's looking for someone to "act on [his] behalf". Honestly I'm not certain how much help a mortal person like that could really be, suppose he could be thinking to make his own cognitive shadows as agents.
@aredfoot
2 жыл бұрын
Completely unrelated tangent: -The Sibling was almost Unmade by Odium investiture. -The Stormfather is male when Honor was male/Nightwatcher is female as is Cultivation is female. -Ambition (Uli Da) was female and splintered by Odium. -Sja-Anat is a female Unmade with the intent/ambition of working against Odium -Ba Ado Mishram is a female Unmade commander for Odium and capable of granting forms of power. Theory: Ba-Ado-Mishram and Sja-Anat are corrupted splinters of Ambition turned to be Unmade by Odium to be his Lieutenants. The attempted Unmaking of the Sibling shows that the Unmade are made by corrupting his opponents Slivers and what would be remaining after Ambition’s shattering? Slivers of Ambition for Odium to add to his collection. Tin Foil/Unsubstantiated: Re-Shephir could also by a byproduct of Ambition’s shattering and other Unmade could be aspects of Dominion and Devotion. Discovering the pure tones of Ambition could potentially Re-Make Ambition and allow a previously splintered Shard to re-enter the fray. (This may also explain why Enlightened spren get different power sets, if a third shard invests into the Knights Radiants it may result in a third power set for all orders)
@dannoffsinger5201
2 жыл бұрын
1:03:00 Maybe Harmony was whispering to the madman Bloody Tam and told him when and how to pull Leslie into the shot. Being mad opens you up to Ruin as well as a spike
@YataVSTheWorld
2 жыл бұрын
To be honest due the recent events on Roshar I had a slight hint to Odium to be Trell. But RoW itself seems to suggests indirectly the Trell is Autonomy idea. In the Letter, Harmony introduces us a lot of new Shards and later he wrote. "Other Shards I cannot identify, and are hidden to me. I fear that their influence encroaches upon my world, yet I am locked into a strange inability because of the opposed powers I hold." Autonomy is not among the listed Shards, Invention is...To be honest Autonomy is the only not listed Shard in the Letter we knew at the time of the "trell is a Shard you know already"
@k-majik
2 жыл бұрын
I am so excited for the Lost Metal this year!
@giovannipagliosa8490
2 жыл бұрын
What if: the South figured hemalurgy before the Catacedre, not the ones related to the metals, but age, physical attributes, etc.
@oneukum
2 жыл бұрын
13:00 What makes you think that the Set is the common name of the organization as opposed to the name of the planetary branch? 20:00 If Push & Pull are bred under the Set's control, the Set is at least twenty years old 26:30 If you just want many Allomancers, you'll take strong male Allomancers..But they are taking females related to the Lord Mistborn. That means that they are _concentrating_ allomancy. They are breeding Mistborn. 31:00 Why kill specfic people while you are depopulating the whole planet? 37:00 Could Ruin have changed Sazed's records between Sazed talking to Vin and him dumping his copperminds for the Words of Founding? 40:00 Are we sure Trellium is not an alloy (of atium or raysium or Aonium .or Skyeium or ..)? 48:00 Don't the Fused have red eyes because they are Surgebinders fueled by Odium? 51:00 Why would a Kandra snatch a new body for that purpose? Especially some icky beggar from the streets? It looked to me like they were made the way Fused are made. Full on bodysnatching. 1:35:30 It looks to me that FTL is closer than we think. I guess the thing Trell fears is compounding + 20th century technology, that will allow FTL. FTL must be a nightmare to Autonomy. 1:56:00 Marsh certainly knows the basics of hemalurgy.
@suewalker-moyer4740
2 жыл бұрын
I'm nowhere near convinced that Push & Pull are products of "forced breeding" (a euphemism for SEVERAL heinous crimes against humanity). Wax SPECULATES that the Set is breeding Allomancers, but we never see any evidence he's right. It's much easier to explain Push & Pull (and Suit's "20 Allomancers on this train") as simply hired guns. I'm with Ian - when Brandon only planned one Wax & Wayne novel, a "breeding program" was an interesting long-term idea; once W&W became a series, that idea got back-burnered. We may see a whole generation of Allomancers born into slavery and servitude under the Set in Era 3.
@oneukum
2 жыл бұрын
@@suewalker-moyer4740 You know the old quip "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead"? That is the problem problem #1 You have a number of noble houses, who have money and private armies and are angry now, yet you have twenty people who are bought with money only, but none of them decides to rat out on you for a very handsome reward? Problem #2: The Vanishers had a specific list of women to take and it came from the Set. It included drawings for illiterate men. That took time, effort and money. The Set wanted these specific women. Problem #3: Telsin had no problem processing the proposal that the Set was using the abductees as breeding material. In fact she provided a ready explanation for herself not being abused in that manner.
@virticrew11
2 жыл бұрын
Please do a Threnody podcast, one of the coolest worlds Brandon has created imo
@2thechase
2 жыл бұрын
My crackpot theory: Trell is Ba Ado Mishram (hence corrupted Investiture). They were released by Kelsier as he successfully uses the gem they were imprisoned in to escape Scadrial.
@NemisCassander
2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps in an attempt to escape Scadrial, but WoB is that as of Era 2, Kelsier is indeed still 'trapped' on Scadrial. So while it could be BAM, it can't be that Kelsier was successful.
@specialnewb9821
2 жыл бұрын
Currently on a reread of Shadows of Self so this came out at the perfect time 👌
@clarity_art
2 жыл бұрын
Same here! I just finished my Shadows of Self reread and I’m about to start Bands of Mourning (again), so the timing is perfect.
@ShacalaT
2 жыл бұрын
Re: Feruchemy and Trell connection. Do we know that the Ancient Terris people are native to Scadrial? It seems strange that one population on Scadrial has a unique genetically linked magic system that is slowly dying out. Any chance the Terris people are originally from another cosmere world and escaped to Scadrial at some point? This has big giant ramifications if it's possible.
@NemisCassander
2 жыл бұрын
I do believe that there is a WoB that Terrismen are native to Scadrial. The issue with them not being native is that Feruchemy is a resonant magic system that works from both Preservation and Ruin. It would not make sense (unless it only developed after they got there) for it to develop somewhere else.
@ElijahStormblessed
2 жыл бұрын
Such an exciting episode, I'm so hyped for The Lost Metal!
@ryanratchford2530
2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year!
@samukkakiller564
2 жыл бұрын
Harry new year and thanks for this vídeo. Greetings from Brazil
@CheyenneSedai
2 жыл бұрын
Wow I've forgotten a lot of Era 2, so this is a great refresher, but also some great theorizing (and I remember Svrakiss)
@kamposteria7307
2 жыл бұрын
A few months ago I read a theory saying that Trell was related to the Red Scar, which is the only constellation in the Cosmere Map that isn't home to a listed planet. It has red stars just like the red mist Sazed shows Wax. Where the theory went a little crazy was when they suggested the idea that Trell wasn't a shard but the counterpart of Adonalsium itself. He has been corrupting and swallowing the stars in the Scar and now that he is done, he looks to the Cosmere for more.
@kamposteria7307
2 жыл бұрын
If I have to suggest any other crazy theories that would never happen, it would be that Trell is Dalinar's fused name after he loses to Odium in SA5. He will be the commander in charge of bringing Scadrial to its knees but after all the problems the Set goes through, he gets orders from Big.T to completely erradicate the planet. The second one is that Trell is Sazed's counterpart, who acts as Discord. Slowly, he is losing control over Harmony and has a split personality or force working against him to take full control over the two shards. After all, his plan seems to be a civil war in Elendel and there's nothing more anti-harmony than that
@ElijahStormblessed
2 жыл бұрын
1:27 "The thing that you can't see is Vin." Yeah, I'd say that's pretty in character for her!
@stlouismarlon
2 жыл бұрын
I think it'd be cool for autonomy's metal to change investiture from being associated to a particular shard to being blank investiture. Making us autonomous and not bound to a shard
@obadiahjohnson4358
2 жыл бұрын
Also with the argument that the new faceless immortals are new kandra, there was a comment from Merisi(sp?) when they were going into the grave yard to look for the spike. She mentioned that the statues were there to scare off the mist wraiths, but they hadn't been seen since the Catasandra and were thought to have been wiped out. I'm thinking Trell may have gathered them all up and spiked them, though I'm not sure how Harmony wouldn't have noticed something like that.
@oneukum
2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the breeding programme, we get this from Telsin while they are just in the small airship: We have diner together most nights when he is here, but he grows angry if I ask about his work. He wanted me for one of his ... his projects, originally, but my age makes that impossible. This is their first longer conversation. Waxillium has _not_ mentioned any such programme. I think the implication that this refers to the breeding programme is neigh unavoidable and it is real.
@fercamacho8812
2 жыл бұрын
Not related to the video, but I recently finished Skyward and noticed that Erik and Ian are in the acknowledgements. Were the names Chaos and Weiry made as Callsigns or you were already using them?
@17thShard
2 жыл бұрын
We were using them as our handles on 17th Shard and other places long before Skyward. I used Chaos since like 2004. -Eric
@IndiaTides
2 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year to all.
@laurabrendel9584
2 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year! This is perfect for starting the year
@Halrax_38
2 жыл бұрын
Re: Red and Gold association: There’s a fairly popular alt-history about a highly developed Australia due to having yams as a staple crop called Lands of Red and Gold. So I guess Navani, Lightsong, and the Fused are all actually Aboriginal Australians. Makes as much sense than the Investiture Controversy when trying to prove Earth is in the Cosmere.
@lautaromedina9056
2 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting tot this one! Wishing all of you a happy new year
@keithwinget3450
2 жыл бұрын
Three words: Trellium-spiked Koloss
@gordonhenderson9213
2 жыл бұрын
The talk around their advancements in technology also makes me think the shard of invention could be playing a hand as well.
@NemisCassander
2 жыл бұрын
Something to note in Harmony's letter in RoW is that after initial contact with Invention, he lost track of them. I don't _think_ that the Set would have had enough time to set this all up after Invention vanishes, but maybe. I don't think Harmony as a full Shard could be fooled by an avatar.
@NemisCassander
2 жыл бұрын
If the name(s) in the Set have meanings that play into underlying themes of the Cosmere, the very first thing we should think of is Autonomy. A set is a collection of items that share a trait. Array is similar. Sequence is a collection of items typically that are created (one from another) by following rules. Autonomy is the only Shard we've seen (sort of on-screen) using Avatars, and certainly seems the Shard that uses them the most. So Autonomy is the only Shard we know of that could be described as a Set.
@17thShard
2 жыл бұрын
I love this. -Eric
@chrishenslick5482
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't brandon say era two was set (no pun intended) in-between book 5 and 6 of stormlight? Could the glowing red eyes be Odium's army for the cosmere wide war? Edit* Didn't watch far enough before commenting. You guys cover this. You guys have a very good handle on this stuff. Great content guys!
@noahsark342
2 жыл бұрын
I would hope they have a good handle on it - they literally run the official fan forum and the Coppermind wiki...
@christopherbarnes3915
2 жыл бұрын
I can imagine steel bubble metalminds becoming a thing down the line in the next generation, for soldiers as guns get better
@tonyfriendly4409
2 жыл бұрын
Steel bubble is a result of steel savantism if I recall correctly. It's not something that most coinshots can do.
@carl11547
2 жыл бұрын
Well, this show has convinced me that Trell is Rashek, returning from the Beyond. I mean, who else could know that much about Hemalurgy?
@oneukum
2 жыл бұрын
If that is a serious question, any avatar of Ruin I suppose.
@OtherTheDave
2 жыл бұрын
Probably anyone who’s functionally immortal (on these time scales, anyway), was aware of what was happening on Scadrial before era 1, and had the capacity to do some experiments.
@beggon12
2 жыл бұрын
First thing I thought was Odium/Fused when reading Bands
@radiantprime8336
2 жыл бұрын
David! Happy to have you here
@TheCozz95
2 жыл бұрын
Having read all of the Cosmere only once about two years ago I still manage to follow the Shardcasts pretty well but it seems there is an Era 2 shaped hole in my memory. Its like it evaporated from my mind so much more quickly than all the other Cosmere books. I wonder why that is.
@17thShard
2 жыл бұрын
Jeez, just stop storing it in your copperminds, man! :) I had much the same issue, to be honest. I forgot SO MUCH about it. They feel like such fast rides and easy books to plow through that it feels harder for me to retain as well. -Eric
@silver3785
2 жыл бұрын
i remember Svrakiss, the demons in the Fjordell Dominion/Empire/thing right?? also happy new year
@silver3785
2 жыл бұрын
religion**
@Florfilm
2 жыл бұрын
Thank god Argent doesn’t have bells in his beard anymore. 🙂
@dookieshoe2905
2 жыл бұрын
Svrakiss? I love the Cosmere but there's so much to keep straight about it and I'm not smart enough. XD
@Bendroid-rm7fs
2 жыл бұрын
I thought for sure that when Evgeni mentioned bringing together the Avengers of red and gold that Iron Man would have been noted as also wearing red and gold! 🤣
@taddaniel849
2 жыл бұрын
That the intro section or this episode is not titled show and TRELL is a crime. Perhaps unforgivable
@MrJerajera
2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the set's faceless immortal, are there still living mistwraiths in existence? I always thought that no mistwraight survived the remaking of the world. But i also think that they can't be preexisting kandra. So that fused theory (while out there) is looking interesting
@thepocketboy
2 жыл бұрын
Crackpot theory... Is odium a misdirect? Stormlight is setting up Connection as the important thread holding everything together (pun intended) its the central theme... Connection to maybe even reforge honor or adonalsium itself... In the other hand, here we have Autonomy the antithesis of Connection. Will it come down to a clashing of these two concepts rather than odium vs everyone else? I like that idea. It would fit with mistborn stuff being the last in the cosmere time-line.
@michaelcashman8824
2 жыл бұрын
Spook is the first GhostBloods
@wraith.ferron
2 жыл бұрын
Was expecting the Set to get a comparison to the Aes Sedai, as one group with many independent factions that compete
@17thShard
2 жыл бұрын
We try to avoid talking about anything Wheel of Time, usually because people are worried about WoT spoilers. So unless it's extremely relevant we usually avoid that. -Eric
@firehole89
2 жыл бұрын
the youtube category for Wtcc is missing (around 1:59:20)
@17thShard
2 жыл бұрын
Oh hey, I did totally forget to do that. Oops. Thanks, I'll get that in there. -Eric
@madisonshaw5216
2 жыл бұрын
Do you guys have a cosmere religion episode/ series planned?
@17thShard
2 жыл бұрын
We did a myths of Roshar set of episodes. This is a good idea to have though! -Eric
@hillary6563
2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the true final (or first) metal be the rejoining of all of the Shards' metals? What is Adonalsium's metal?🤔😏 The parallel Ian draws regarding the deniers of masks is interesting, when you consider how many references to opposing brothers/light or dark/powers there are in the history of Trellism/Trelligism.
@obadiahjohnson4358
2 жыл бұрын
Are Kandra's memories stored in a spike or do the spikes allow them to access the memories? If the memories are in a spike, how did Paalm keep her memories of Wax when all of her original spikes were removed and replaced with a "Trellium" spike?
@JeremyHoffman
2 жыл бұрын
Near the end of Bands of Mourning, MeLaan tells Marasi, at the moment, my memories are in my thigh. I don't think that she implies that her spikes are in her thigh.
@obadiahjohnson4358
2 жыл бұрын
@@JeremyHoffman Oohh, that may be where my confusion is coming from. I thought that MeLaan was implying that one of her spikes was in her thigh and that spike was where her memories were. I think I just misinterpreted it. Thanks!
@albinopolarbear8229
2 жыл бұрын
This topic could be revisited after sp4 comes out
@ericswearingenmusic9967
2 жыл бұрын
My theory is that the reason Brandon always messes up the timeframe of Stormlight vs era 2.. is because he is intentionally obfuscating it. I think he is trying to throw people off on his plans by appearing as though it’s not an important detail he is keeping track of. I think the timing of era 2 and Stormlight 5 is super important. I would guess something bad happens in SA5 that impacts what is going on in era 2
@elsecaller-jacob8346
2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year everyone!! No better way to start it💙
@sashacampbell3513
2 жыл бұрын
Brandon can't just drop a "kidnapping women and forcing them to bear allomancer babies" and then just pretend it doesn't exist. If he does, the fact that the characters still know about the plot and are choosing to ignore it is morally inconsistent with how most of our protagonists behave. Wax wants to be a hero, but just saves his wife and her sister and gets out? Nah.
@oneukum
2 жыл бұрын
I'd say the premise of The Lost Metal is built on that. Waxillium is seriously hampered by this consideration. The Set has hostages. And everybody knows it. There will be considerable disagreement about the course to be taken and people will feel very strongly about it. Furthermore we have to consider that some houselords are in principle not opposed to getting a Mistborn in the family, even though the process is ... well ...
@tonyfriendly4409
2 жыл бұрын
I think they all got turned into spikes to be honest.
@sashacampbell3513
2 жыл бұрын
@@tonyfriendly4409 that would be a bit of a cop-out in my opinion. Why are they only kidnapping women to make spikes? Perhaps it is for some kind of hemalurgy, but I doubt it's just spikes. Anyone mistblooded can be a spike. The fact that all the abductees are adult females implies there's something deeper and probably more horrifying going on
@mahmodwattar8169
2 жыл бұрын
the sfacs are the demons right?
@michaelcashman8824
2 жыл бұрын
The Set VS GhostBloods
@davidarmstrong3302
2 жыл бұрын
At last!!!!!!!
@Kabissz
2 жыл бұрын
Octarine? STP GNU Ian :)
@stlouismarlon
2 жыл бұрын
What if a faceless immortals are just mistwraiths with two spikes one giving them a fuseds powers, and one to give them the fuseds personally
@oneukum
2 жыл бұрын
Why do they know the North Scadrian language then?
@stlouismarlon
2 жыл бұрын
@@oneukum could be that they've been there long enough, an imortal body might mitigate the madness from dying a bunch also
@oneukum
2 жыл бұрын
@@stlouismarlon How? They could not leave the Scadrian system by the time of Rhythm of War, if Raboniel is to be believed.
@stlouismarlon
2 жыл бұрын
@@oneukum maybe they can in a spike is what I'm thinking, the reason I think it might work is because metal from scadeial is in a way power that belongs to preservation/ruin so I'm thinking that placing them I to the spike would give them a suitable vessel to be taken out the system. I was gonna say body instead of vessel but that imediatly made me think of sick ass mech fused
@oneukum
2 жыл бұрын
@@stlouismarlon OK, that may work, but next question, why bother?
@benhutchinson4922
2 жыл бұрын
11:07 - 33:55 I always got the impression that the stealing of women/breeding program and the uptick in new spikes were VERY related that is, the Set viewed the babies only as potential spikes--- the breeding program is a spike manufacturing program
@mikehorner5989
Жыл бұрын
Lost metal comes out today I came here just to say my theorythat Kelsey is troll it makes too much sense not to be at it’s been stated multiple times that Kelsey is a hero through situation only how much he would hate the way the world works he’s working in the shadows to overthrow God which is why he’s being so secretive clearly he can create his own metals because he made the braces
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