Once your group learns how to play the game well, it seems like the optimal opening move for this game would have been to play the 6 to Odd instead of the 1. At first glance, it might seem sub-optimal because it leaves 1-3-5-7 as possibilities, but your allies can eliminate 3-5-7 based on where you chose not to play.
@alienslysly
7 жыл бұрын
12:53 - Actually "Jen" could've easily eliminated the 2 as a guess, since if your fate WAS a 2 then you would've placed the 1 on the Factor (twice for 2 & triple for 3, which was eliminated). She would also know that the 1 was a new tile, since it was an odd number while your original fate was an even. Quite a lot of subtle information for such a small game :)
@mythirdchannel
7 жыл бұрын
gosh ... the Klingon subtitles are a necessity on this one XD
@sirrichiofawesome9617
7 жыл бұрын
Good run through. Shame Jen wasn't available for filming as it would have better caught the trying to guess what the other person is telling you feeling of the game.
@Spukky007
7 жыл бұрын
22:10 could be a 1 as well because 2 is double of 1.
@TheAzurehound
5 жыл бұрын
i liked how it went. at 26:00 with the 2 and the 4, i may have played the 2 on the second arcana because as you said before, there are no 0s. i don't want to argue too much about it because at the same time either card would fade anyway but like, that was the best use for arcana #2 (only 1 correct answer) whereas #3 could still be useful in the future.
@susandrew7217
Жыл бұрын
The 7 should have been placed on the unique card right? It was a valid move.
@cartoon80s90s
7 жыл бұрын
12:16 Come on, it's not a gamble. You have already played a 1 and in this turn you played a second 1 which you obviously drew this turn. If the hidden number was a 2, you could have played the second 1 on the Factor which would reveal you have a 2 in your hand. In other words, they can SAFELY exclude 2 from the viable options.
@cartoon80s90s
7 жыл бұрын
Nice review though!!
@rahdo
7 жыл бұрын
indeed, this was a really tough one, trying to keep straight what i was supposed to know, and what i wasn't supposed to know, depending on which player i was emulating at the time, and then work out optimal logic answers based on what i should or shouldn't know at any given time
@TheAzurehound
5 жыл бұрын
i had this question on whether the fates placed before the other was correctly predicted if those hint-fates would remain as they were no longer useful, but as i see here it seems they stay anyway. it's not in the rule book so just wanted to make sure. like, yes, you guessed this clue, so, why keep it there when is no longer useful?
@rahdo
5 жыл бұрын
sorry, i haven't played this game for a couple years, so i don't remember some of the specifics! you might want to ask at www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/220517/shipwreck-arcana/forums/66
@andykim088
7 жыл бұрын
24:46 I disagree with Paolo's correction. The deduction given is that by not placing the "3" on the +/-2 that it has to be a 6 but the problem is that if it was a "1", that would mean that Jen had the choice of either using the +/- 2 OR the Factor and both would have narrowed it down to 2 choices (1 or 5 and 1 or 6). So just because Jen did not put it on the +/-2 doesn't necessarily mean that it's a 6 because if it was a 1, then she just had two choices and the choice might have been arbitrary. Great game though. Love co-ops and love love love deduction games.
@Luiginicon
7 жыл бұрын
Actually, if the fate was a 1, she could have placed the 1 on the +/- 2 and 3 would have been the only choice
@WalkaboutLifeVideos
7 жыл бұрын
and also, it only had room for 1 chip, so if she had placed there it would have gone away, which is another consideration.
@PauloRenato23
7 жыл бұрын
I really don't understand what you are saying... It couldn't possibly be a 5 because from the previous turn clue that Jen gave Richard the Fate she had was either a 1 or a 6... Taking that into consideration, if she played the 3 in the +/-2 she would be telling loudly that the fate she had was a 1... that's indisputable because it was already determined that it couldn't be a 5! so, by not using the +/-2 card and placing a 3 on another card she is clearly saying that the fate she has isn't a 1, so, if it isn't a 1 it can only be a 6!
@KamranZaffar
7 жыл бұрын
Paulo Renato there was no previous guess at 23:47 this was the start of new guessing. But as the guy mentioned earlier if she had a 1&3 she could play the 1 on the +-2 to infer the 3. So if you infer that Jen didn't play the 1 on +-2 then her fates must be 3&6
@PauloRenato23
7 жыл бұрын
I dont't know how I thought at the time it was a second clue she was giving :\ note removed
@lightsaberduel
7 жыл бұрын
20:23 It's not 50/50. It's actually 3:1 that Jen's number is a 7 (two of the 3's are known to be out of the bag, whereas the locations of none of the 7's are known). Thanks for the runthrough!
@JJ_TheGreat
5 жыл бұрын
11:39 The fact that you DID NOT put the 1 on “Factor” can help them eliminate the 2 - since if you did have the 2, that would have been a perfect clue to give them since the number would have to be 2x or 3x the number you put there (I mean, it could also be divisible by 2 or by 3, but it CANNOT once you put the number 1 on it; otherwise you would get 1/2 and 1/3, which are not whole numbers), and 2 x 1 = 2, even though 3 x 1 = 3, 3 had already been eliminated based on your previous clue - 1 on “Odd” meaning that they need an EVEN number, which 3 is not. Therefore, by NOT placing the 1 on “Factor” and placing it on “Lower” instead and giving no new information, they know you do not have the 2.
@JJ_TheGreat
5 жыл бұрын
And you reasoned that way in the next few seconds :)
@rahdo
5 жыл бұрын
i just need a few seconds! :)
@Domi_Asmo
7 жыл бұрын
looks cool, but there seems to be a lot of thinking and downtime for what it is...
@deanlowdon8381
7 жыл бұрын
Second, is that a thing?
@MrJadude
7 жыл бұрын
how is this a "game"? i would consider this a puzzle because there is an optimal move for every pull. our group would get sooooo bored of this after a couple of plays because its so "obvious" of what you need to do.
@rahdo
7 жыл бұрын
like i said in the video, a nice light introduction to logic based deduction.
@marknic
7 жыл бұрын
There may be times where you could eliminate 3 choices for your team but that would advance the doom tracker so instead you might want to play a tile elsewhere which only eliminates 2 choices but _doesn't_ advance doom (yet). So, which is the optimal' move? How about eliminating 4 + 1 doom vs 1 with no doom... how about then? Not sure it's always _so_ obvious which is best. I also think a lot of the fade powers, and when to use them, could add some some nuance as to what the best play is. But yeah, it does look like a 'puzzley' game, which I love. Can't wait to get my hands on a copy. :)
@Northernblades
7 жыл бұрын
When you can't even play alone, without screwing up. convoluted, and prone to mistakes. rule fails. and boring as hell.
@Kelson0013
7 жыл бұрын
The game isn't boring at all - lots of fun, actually. But trying to do a playthrough with only a single player was probably not a good idea. It does still give you a good idea of how the game plays, though. So kudos for that.
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