There's a 3 dimensional holographic image on the shroud
@jaredamos6514
3 ай бұрын
Holographic? Sure ya know what a hologram is? They might actually have used radiation back in the day: put a pigmented or painted linen cloth in direct bright sunlight for a few days or weeks, then wash it to remove the pigment.. That would count as painting with radiation? Or better yet, place a model to cast a shadow upon the cloth. Btw there WAS pigment found, but just as in the C14 dating it was dismissed as being due to "modern contamination". So the only obvious explanation must be a blast of neutron radiation coming from a wrapped corpse?
@cycleSCUBA
2 ай бұрын
@@jaredamos6514- Most people are not in an intellectual and scientific position to make any judgement - for or against - on the Turin Shroud. You included.
@jaredamos6514
2 ай бұрын
@@cycleSCUBA Except that a "supernatural" source is needed for the religious cloth narrative to make any sense. Intellectual and scientific circles reject out right the supernatural (rightly so, there has never been any evidence for it). Put a cloth painting in the sun for a week or three, wash it, and there you have it; no pigment, a "supernatural image", no apparent falsifiability without the original to test, and pilgrimages..
@jaredamos6514
2 ай бұрын
@@cycleSCUBA Yet another person sees that my first response has been deleted. Echo chamber this place. For context I already responded a few minutes ago, and now it's gone. What I said the first time was: paint a cloth and put it into the sun for a week or three, wash it, then enjoy the image that is left (no paint or pigment). It's not about me but the evidence.
@jimmoore9490
Ай бұрын
@@jaredamos6514 Nice evidence. Now you have to come up with an idea about the Sudarium of Oviedo ( separate face cloth) which has 120 blood stains that line up with the shroud and carbon dated 700 years earlier and proven to have come off of the same body as the shroud. Then you have to show the WAXS dating is wrong as well. Amd then you have to come up with how the forger would have put pollen, dust, and othe elements only found in the area of Jerusalem. Chew on those and you might get closer. Then we can graduate to how nothing created a small black dot that eventually evolved into the Shroud of Turin.
@jamescathro5257
Ай бұрын
Nice honest man. Thank you.
@camilleespinas2898
Ай бұрын
The book is AB negative .. an extremely rare blood Less than 1% of population have this rare blood .
@LB-rc3nt
15 күн бұрын
This was overall ULTIMATELY CONFUSING, to me!!!..It "should have at least been summarized at the end," with the points, of the 'Dr.'s main final conclusions'!!! ...BASICALLY A BIG I DUNNO... BY THE END!?!?!.. ( & BTW>> I am a Christian and Christ lives in me, by his Holy Spirit, who I received over 50 years ago!!! And I experience Him 'within', on a continual basis!!! That's how I know He is risen indeed!!!..From a radical inner spiritual transformation, that has lasted for decades now!!! "If any man be in Christ he is a new creature..Old things are passed away; and all things are become new!!!" ( 2 Corinthians 5:17) And .."The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God!!!" ( Romans 8:16).. I don't have to have the Shroud to believe!!..( Though it would be great if they could really prove it is the Lords burial cloth..I tend to 'believe' that it is..because it fits with the Biblical narrative so well, and because of my own personal experience of the Lord!!!..Also, there is ..NO other item just like it in the entire world!!! It's 'highly unusual' to say the least!! A very 'rare' article of cloth!!!..Real burial cloths or not;.. the main thing; is to be sure your own personal relationship with the 'Living' Lord Jesus Christ, is truly real in your own heart and soul!!! Please read Romans 10: 8-10 in the Bible.."The word is near you..even in your mouth and in your heart..that is the word of faith that we preach..That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead..you will be saved..For with the heart man believes unto Righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto Salvation"!!! ( Call with a sincere heart; I might add..) Go with God Beloved!!!.. "Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved!!!"
@maxinerowe2925
Ай бұрын
God said it happened I have no doubt
@fohponomalama5065
Ай бұрын
This doesn't say much of anything regarding whose blood is on the Shroud.,
@tinasturgeon7087
20 күн бұрын
The energy that burnt Our Lord's image upon his burial shroud was the pure brilliance of Our Heavenly Father The One We Call Almighty God Hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Christ Lives,
@camilleespinas2898
Ай бұрын
If would be world amazing if they could say what kind of blood . !
@DEVILDOG1964
Ай бұрын
BLOOD TYPE IS AB HUMAN IT'S PROVEN!! THIS GUY NEVER EXAMINED ANYTHING 1ST HAND!!
@SJBailey-bj4mk
Ай бұрын
O neg blood saves all and is not human.
@Bear049
Ай бұрын
It must be remembered that Jesus body was chemically treated before he was buried. There were spices and perfumes. A hundred pounds so maybe that changed the characteristics of the blood stains
@paulgarnier879
Ай бұрын
No, his body wasn't treated with herbs and spices. He was taken down from the cross and rapidly wrapped in a linen shroud because the sabbath was approaching there wasn't time to carry out the ritual. Mary who discovered the resurrection had gone to the tomb in order to ritually dress his body which couldn't be done on the day of the Crucifixion.
@paulgarnier879
Ай бұрын
But he has no explanation or definitive proof that it's not human blood.
@wp4934
Ай бұрын
Why do you have someone who acknowledges he is "not a blood expert" speaking on the sciences related to Blood??? SO he is arguing against the expertise of blood experts on the "STERP team!!!
@desleypage6306
Ай бұрын
He admitted he is not an expert in blood or DNA. There are always going to be atheists who are more than happy to debunk anything that proclaims The proof of Jesus' death and resurrection. I believe that all the evidence proves His existence. Amen
@user-gu5nr8qe9y
26 күн бұрын
STOP THE BULLSHIT !!!
@jaredamos6514
3 ай бұрын
This cloth came into existence around 1350, the same time as it did in written history, and imagine that the same time as the 1988 C14 testing suggests. How they match I don't know, unless the cloth itself was created around this date, which it was. Where are the cloths of Pilote and all the other 2000 year old royal burial cloths? (hint: they don't last) There is a detailed paper trail, about the pilgrimages, the church bishops wrote about it, letters to the pope as a "curious painting" etc.. But nothing before.... I don't get the mystery. It was commissioned by a priest in 1350 in France, caught a lot of interest of pilgrims who flocked to see it (and leave their sweat, blood, tears on it), which left the higher up bishops in a position to tell the pope that there is a forgery circulating, a false relic was being used to bring in people. This was not unusual, relics brought the people, as like today. So the priest's family hid it in shame and fled, and several generations later it re-appeared. Go figure. There is blood on it, sweat, dust, smoke particles, all you would expect to find on a medieval relic. This comment will be deleted anyway, so follow the evidence where it leads, just my suggestion.
@eldin14
3 ай бұрын
You don't get the mystery of the Shroud because you are not one of God's chosen. 'My Sheep hear my voice.' You also have not studied on your own, depending on your peers to tell you the truth. Did you really not hear from your trusted advisors that the carbon dating test saying it was produced around 1300, THAT was PROVEN FRAUDULENT?? right.... See how you are your own God? You choose not to believe the Shroud is real. By your choices YOU ARE KNOWN.
@dianayount2122
3 ай бұрын
how do you suggest this photo-negative image was created before the creation of photography and photo negatives?
@jaredamos6514
3 ай бұрын
@@dianayount2122 I think the original artist(s) simply made his art. Whoever created it did not have the foresight to understand cameras, negatives, and all that. Often people think the cloth is a "photo negative", even though it's kind of an anachronism, cameras didn't exist. But it's not a "negative" in that sense, it's just the artist's interpretation. With the gift of hind sight we can all ask "how can a 1300's artist know about negatives before cameras were invented??" They didn't; it is us interpreting old art through the lens of our modern technology.
@jeffjeffreym1830
3 ай бұрын
You've missed the essential point. This isn't a painting. There is hardly any image on the cloth. There is just the faintest blemish to the fabric; not a stain, barely noticeable, less than a half hair's breadth deep. No one knows how it was formed and it can't be replicated. Other dating tests have suggested it comes from the first century.@@jaredamos6514
@kbeetles
3 ай бұрын
Did they paint with radiation in the 1300s? Because there is no paint pigment on it.......
@jaredamos6514
2 ай бұрын
@cycleSCUBA I'll respond here for the third time (always deleted but screenshotted for later), it's not about me, it's about the evidence. Paint a cloth, put it into the sun for a week or three, wash it, and enjoy the image that remains. No pigment, no brushstrokes, just a tinted cloth. That it does not fit a supernatural narrative isn't my fault, tell the professionals who have examined it, who don't accept "supernatural narratives", and the owners who have hidden it from further testing.
@Willow740
Ай бұрын
You don’t appear to know much about the shroud. You can’t make a 3d negative image of a man with paint. 🤦♀️
@jaredamos6514
Ай бұрын
@@Willow740 Respectfully, my knowledge or lack thereof doesn't affect the truth of supernatural claims. Evidence does though. It also appears you didn't understand my comment (or art in general for that matter). Perspective and other techniques are used all the time to paint 3d images, you can even paint negatives if so motivated. Don't underestimate the skills of 1300's artists. But, it's the possibility of the cloth being created 'without' leaving paint pigments, was the whole point. *facepalm*
@nataliepuckett2672
3 ай бұрын
These are just old dead people what the hell are you looking off?
@jimmoore9490
3 ай бұрын
The 30 or so scientists were picked to debunk the shroud in the 80s and failed. They could not figure out how the 3d image was made and currently even with today's technology cant replicate it. It is the most studied artifact in the history of the world. There is another separate face cloth called the sudarium with 120 blood stains that line up with the shroud and has been proven to have come off of the same body. There is a newer dating method called WAXS that dates the shroud to the time of Jesus. Do some research.
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