This is why you don't get invited to press events keep it up
@thepioneer6178
3 жыл бұрын
That sounds like a threat, you work for Snell?
@rash500m
3 жыл бұрын
@@thepioneer6178 he said keep it up, so definetely not a treath ;)
@FadilKarim
3 жыл бұрын
That's when you know he's doing something right!
@motorcityoctane6713
3 жыл бұрын
That's why they don't give Ryan lots of bikes to review as well. He doesn't BS the viewers with fake or paid reviews.
@Racer57
3 жыл бұрын
@@motorcityoctane6713 The hero we all needed.
@georgempouk
3 жыл бұрын
i just love that he puts his sources everytime
@rhaynhillyard9772
3 жыл бұрын
As should be done, hate people that claim shit and can't back it up
@franklinlucaslima
3 жыл бұрын
Aka science
@Ughandi
3 жыл бұрын
So does his science teacher.
@dankorolyk5917
3 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant episode telling like it is!
@Jnolet88
3 жыл бұрын
Crazy to see real investigative journalism
@arijitRC7
3 жыл бұрын
I can see 10 snell employees marked their attendance..
@mickleblade
3 жыл бұрын
Prob 1 guy with alt accounts
@amaymishra814
3 жыл бұрын
Make that 27
@CrawlTalkRun
3 жыл бұрын
make that 29 plus the one alt.
@Oat_meal_YT
3 жыл бұрын
71
@scottcates
2 жыл бұрын
This video is very informative. I have been a Snell advocate for a long time without realizing the deficicts of the certification. Yet when I had my worst accident -- a 105 MPH getoff that put me tumbling through the Nevada desert, my Snell-certified Scorpion EXO700 helmet, was goughed, scaped, and scuffed on every square inch with a ripped-off shield, to boot. I ended up with a minor concussion, which I atttributed to being lucky enough not to strike anything solid while skimming the desert in low earth orbit. But after watching this report on the Snell certification, the helmet might have also contributed to my injuries by being just too damn hard.
@Ehal256
Жыл бұрын
Over 100 in the desert, and I'd say you'd be lucky to not be seriously injured even with the best gear.
@GhostKing6790
4 ай бұрын
no that helmet probably saved your life
@scottcates
4 ай бұрын
@@GhostKing6790 You're probably right.
@mayanksingh0044
3 жыл бұрын
I'm in India there is no ECE no Snell here yet I clicked, liked and watched ur video. Quality content as always
@JaiSaldi
3 жыл бұрын
only ISI standard as per new rules, rest all certified helmets illegal 🤡
@mayanksingh0044
3 жыл бұрын
@@JaiSaldi yessss
@nekil_s
3 жыл бұрын
actually there are many helmets company provide ECE 22.05 with DOT and ISI in India. to name a few royal Enfield, TVS, MT etc..
@lakshya8038
3 жыл бұрын
Damn people have the audacity to dislike this, its free quality content, What else do you want??
@miketran4289
3 жыл бұрын
They work for Snell.
@christianstorms3950
3 жыл бұрын
People very often don't seek information, but confirmation. Can't do anything against those who don't find it and are unhappy about that fact...
@IstasPumaNevada
3 жыл бұрын
It's the internet, and it's youtube. It would be more surprising if there _weren't_ any dislikes. It would also be more surprising if there wasn't a comment amounting to 'how could there be dislikes'. As far as youtube videos go, this is a VERY low dislike ratio. Which is not surprising, because it's an F9 video.
@kidlikerizzle
3 жыл бұрын
Free pancakes
@justus4883
3 жыл бұрын
@@IstasPumaNevada yeah, even on rare live concert footage of an old musician with a view count just over 100, there will still be dislikes.. it's just how youtube works for some reason
@MrDudeRose
3 жыл бұрын
A big thank you to Ryan and the whole F9 crew, another great video, fll of information that I would have to dig through loads of paperwork to acquire. Also hats off to the lovely Film Noir styling. I really enjoyed this so thank you once again.
@pantarei5227
3 жыл бұрын
honestly this channel should have more subs, excellent job mate.
@fabio2277
3 жыл бұрын
Omg wow the production of this video is so crazy omg.
@windmilljohn
3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic lighting Mr Marlowe 😊
@ginger_nosoul
3 жыл бұрын
Good to know, thanks for the heads up!
@Myself6M
2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, Fortnine should start publishing a newspaper, as it does more journalism than most other motorcycle newspapers these days, which have become marketing leaflets! This is how journalism should be, brutally honest and unapologetic.
@RasheedKhan-he6xx
2 жыл бұрын
Do back protectors. Spinal cord injuries are frequent but few result from a whack to your back. Most happen because of excess rotation, your body twisting as it flops around, or because your helmet is so heavy the pendulum force snaps your neck. There are halo style neck protectors available that no one uses but there nothing (as far as I know) to limit the twisting of your torso.
@sunhitua
3 жыл бұрын
wow! what a shift of paradigm. thanks a lot for publishing that! your content keeps evolving and thus helps to keep us safe! ty!!
@AtaurRahman-jt8bd
3 жыл бұрын
I can feel the hard-work put into this video!!!
@tomdown7854
2 жыл бұрын
That was one of the best KZitem clips! I am pretty disgusted by the Industry and Snell, I paid a bucket of cash for the best (safest helmet) I could get, thinking Snell would guarantee a top safe quality product....nope guess not. That pisses me off that a company is playing with our riders lives.
@TheTortuga58
3 жыл бұрын
What motivates you guys to make videos this good? Genuine question. Like why such insane attention to writing and cinematography
@Doctoberfest
3 жыл бұрын
I bought my old snell helmet years ago based off your DOT video. Glad you're calling out snell now to update their standards. Now on ECE.
@jeff911p
3 жыл бұрын
going ECE hard this summer N dang man keep up the good work love your channel.
@BizKwikTwist
3 жыл бұрын
Just found these vids and I love these, def helping me with my goal of getting a motorcycle and the proper safety gear by the end of this year.
@Sev4ch
3 жыл бұрын
Well the list of sources at the end is very, VERY respectable.
@Daspied
3 жыл бұрын
Really hope after seeing this more people look into 6d helmets.
@gwot
3 жыл бұрын
sixth dimension?!
@robertapreston4200
2 жыл бұрын
ingenious...... you have a heck of a team👍👍
@billtaylor2050
6 ай бұрын
Snell obviously wants to replicate big oil, big pharma and big tobacco, never mind the deaths, hand over the dollars. Another top class piece of reporting, always useful, well produced and free from the stench of corporate interests.
@NONO-hz4vo
3 жыл бұрын
An incredible PSA. How many lives will this save? I know for sure I am going to check all my helmets and replace any that are just DOT or Snell. I am not just impressed with the beauty of the presentation but the quality of the research along with the cited work displayed at the end. I love the work Ryan and crew put out, and everything doesn't have to be a life saving or life altering presentation, but this probably was for many.
@DrZeTech
3 жыл бұрын
Bravo ! Félicitations pour votre travail. J’aime beaucoup le format vidéo. Rigolote et pédagogique !
@RTJsims
3 жыл бұрын
I grabbed a snell within the last year. I will probably be going back to ECE when my lid ages out.
@jjakkad
3 жыл бұрын
Great work yet again.
@tommywilcox4652
3 жыл бұрын
I survived one of those immediate hard impact crashes that never happen back in June. My body hit a trailer at about 25mph.
@briansmith3011
3 жыл бұрын
ECE is the one for me! But I also wear a modular, so that is an automatic no go with Snell.
@quillmaurer6563
3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree, ECE all the way, it's the one that makes sense especially for street riding. I'd think the modular wouldn't make any sense for Snell, not just because it wouldn't meet their standards but also in context of what Snell is intended for. Snell is a racing standard, I'd previously thought for motorcycle racing but sounds from this like it's more for car racing. Racers (car or motorcycle) won't want modular helmets, they're more concerned about protection and performance, while modulars are heavier and less protective but more convenient.
@molallamerica896
3 жыл бұрын
Quality content. I love that this channel regularly calls out the BS without regard for the industry push back.
@GaryBe403
Жыл бұрын
This video made me curious about the safety of my Shoei RF-1400, which has the DOT and Snell decals on it. From what I found online, the RF-1400 has passed every certification test it has been entered in, named DOT, ECE 22.06, SNELL M2020d and M2020r, and SHARP UK testing with 4 stars (very good). This sort of contradicts the video as it is passing both standards...
@kamsa1243
Жыл бұрын
It doesn't contradict the video one bit, your helmet passed the meaningful ECE 22.06 and SHARP testing standards. It ALSO passed the meaningless for motorcycles M2020D due to its shell rigidity, the M2020R standard is still meaningless and doesn't serve any purpose to certify your helmet for safety, neither does the M2020D. SHARP and ECE matter.
@94SexyStang
Жыл бұрын
@@kamsa1243 wrong.....Snell DOES matter on the track....because without it, you Can't ride on one....also snell does serve a purpose, if you fly off your bike, your bike usually comes after you and slams into your head, I've seen it happen as I worked ON a race track....snell matters when that happens....thats like hitting a wall.
@kamsa1243
Жыл бұрын
@@94SexyStang some US tracks, sure. Nowhere that actually matters though.
@adamfromcanada9393
3 жыл бұрын
THIS is the kind of video that makes a difference. I want to be safe, but I don't know who's sticker still means I will be. Keep up the great work.
@gonecoyote
3 жыл бұрын
damn bro F9 production value es AMAZING
@captsam54
3 жыл бұрын
Fortnine Best Motorcycle video Producer in the World...
@Vermeulenisdenaam
3 жыл бұрын
That is another great and informative movie ; don't know why but I suddenly feel like watching an old Bond movie tonight. P.s. To those who stick with Snell: it's been nice knowing ya'
@tomkrolick7629
3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding, as usual. Thanks Ryan.
@grantsnell6782
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up!
@chrissmith2114
Жыл бұрын
The UK has a government scheme called SHARP - it goes further than ECE because it tests more things, and it grades helmets from 1 to 5 stars, not just pass or fail. Some anomalies crop up in sharp because some of the cheaper helmets get more stars than the expensive ones, or are you paying for the graphics rather than the helmet safety ? Before SHARP tests a motorcycle helmet, the helmet must have already passed the European ECE tests. The UK government funds the SHARP tests. The UK government pays for extra tests that go beyond what the ECE administers. The SHARP tests’ biggest advantage is that every helmet gets a rating, from 1 to 5 stars, instead of only a pass or fail. With SHARP tests, a customer can differentiate between the best helmets and those that are merely good enough. While SHARP tests are only for helmets sold in the UK, people elsewhere can look up the SHARP ratings to compare helmets. SHARP impact tests occur at three different speeds. The helmets are tested against pointed as well as flat surfaces. There are also rotational tests to see how much rotational energy would be transferred to a rider’s head during a crash. Because of the quality of the tests performed and the star rating system, the SHARP system might be the best. It gives you more information than a simple pass/fail grade. You may be able to use the SHARP ratings to differentiate between two helmets that both pass another test
@dh2392
3 жыл бұрын
I started ignoring Snell when you couldn't get a Snell rating on any modular helmet, or any helmet with an internal drop down sun visor. And I have long heard that Snell helmets were too hard due to the double impact test.
@jsquared1013
2 жыл бұрын
This is also why car track days generally do not allow motorcycle helmets. Different design parameters. Snell started out for car-racing helmet evaluation, and it seems that institutional inertia is alive and preventing them from making meaningful updates for the motorcycle side of things. A sensible person would have come up with something like "Snell-Car" and "Snell-Moto" split in the regs, clearly labelled which is which, with the Moto variant incorporating the multi-roll bit since it seems that's the more common variant of crash for bikers, rather than the "halfway to halfass" way they actually did it.
@NadBrc
3 жыл бұрын
Wold like to see your opinion on the baby GS, with the quality information and entertaining presentation im sure it would be a blast :)
@dRockOhio
3 жыл бұрын
One problem in the US seems to be a growing trend of companies not offering ECE helmets in the US market. Bell and Schuberth , for example, both discontinued ECE-cert in the US. Why is this??
@aldob5681
3 жыл бұрын
Another rule: avoid cheap helmets from online stores.
@nickvoegeli6903
3 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily true - sometimes cheaper helmets are safer than more expensive ones. See sharp.dft.gov.uk/ where helmets from companies like Bell are often rated safer than Arai or Shoei.
@_Zaid
3 жыл бұрын
@@nickvoegeli6903 SHARP has its critiques too. In the industry there are critiques of how SHARP cut costs compared to ECE, such as the solid headforms they use instead of ECE's humanlike ones.
@MK-hb3xc
3 жыл бұрын
The rule is to buy a recognizable brand. That was part of the take away from the Motorcyclist article Blowing The Lid Off Helmets. An inexpensive helmet from a recognizable brand, like Vega, AFX, and others. They have too much to lose if they should be shown to not meet DOT or ECE standards in a law suit. Could cost millions.
@JohnSmith-qs5fg
3 жыл бұрын
The best rule is.. don't expect ANY helmet to preserve your life in a motorcycle incident. 😎
@threethrushes
3 жыл бұрын
My Predator helmet with rubber dreadlocks from Russia was NOT CHEAP!
@Billy123bobzzz
3 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Thank you so much! Well Done!
@OoavastoO
3 жыл бұрын
So all this begs the bigger question, (which, IMHO, anyone with half a brain knows the answer): Snell has provided 2 standards, their old one and a second one that essentially just looks like a shifty loophole to get Snell helmets into the bigger European markets currently dominated by arguably better, (again, IMHO), ECE and FIM standards, the optics of which make it seem like they are in the pockets of big helmet manufacturers and advertisers. So, can they even be considered a non-profit anymore? Moralities of placing market access over genuine rider safety aside, is this even legal? Another fantastic video RF9! Much respect from Nova Scotia!
@BilgemasterBill
3 жыл бұрын
It may not be the sexiest topic or the usual hysterical snark-filled presentation, but a tip o' the hat to FortNine for covering it anyhow in the public interest. It's certainly the first I'd heard of Snell not being all it's been cracked up to be (See what I did there?)
@tobymcnicol922
3 жыл бұрын
F9: Educating, entertaining and informing.... ....worth the licence fee himself!!
@SMKreitzer1968
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ryan, love the perspective!
@RaC09
3 жыл бұрын
Mind blowing! Great analysis !
@samueljeppsen9785
2 жыл бұрын
Love Fortnine!!
@anonymous-yg1hy
3 жыл бұрын
Another oustanding piece!
@Miles-lq7vc
3 жыл бұрын
Snell sales dept: So you have chosen death
@levonh.378
3 жыл бұрын
Hormone release music towards the end
@narrator-timothymckean
3 жыл бұрын
Ryan, I love your analytical approach to these things. I'd like to see you take on the question of whether white gear is actually cooler for summer riding than black.
@quillmaurer6563
3 жыл бұрын
Not sure that would be his fare - he's more involved in analytical research than experiments, I've seen that experiment taken on by others (with questionable methodologies). He'd be more likely to investigate the safety statistics of different colors of gear, though maybe could do this as a side note. The one thing I always wonder about this though is why every source says black is the least-safe color yet most gear I see for sale is black.
@landonferguson7282
3 жыл бұрын
Good to know, as I'm going to be getting a motorcycle helmet soon.
@Critastic
3 жыл бұрын
2:59 I crashed that exact way a week ago, dislocated shoulder and some pretty heavy bruising, I also hit my head pretty damn hard, my rf1200 probably saved my life…
@oliverfreeride9738
3 жыл бұрын
Another masterpiece.
@MeanMachine85
3 жыл бұрын
So frickin' beautiful!
@ChrisJones-yt8zp
3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately this published after I bought my first helmet. Which was expensive as hell and is, of course DOT and Snell certified but not ECE.
@alexappleby8677
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome content as always, my wife did trust in Snell from he equestrian background, I wonder what kind of impacts the average fall gets 🤔. For us folk over the pond, could you mention/comment on the British SHARP scheme, and how that stacks up please?
@utoobia6872
3 жыл бұрын
Here I am watching a comparison between Snell and ECE helmets when I can only wear DOT approved helmets due to my big head. Manufacturer can't seem to make larger helmets that are approved by Snell or ECE.
@schrauberhugo2594
3 жыл бұрын
brilliant video !
@mannyserrano9718
3 жыл бұрын
The ruroc atlas 3.0 is ECE 22.05, would that still be good, obviously 22.06 is better but I really like that one
@mookyzook
3 жыл бұрын
And we have SHARP in the UK.
@cockneyblue
3 жыл бұрын
The thumbs up button is simply not enough to represent how fricking much I love FortNine videos
@Choo-choo-chookcha
3 жыл бұрын
I’ll say it first: Ryan F9 didn’t kill himself!
@billmcmeekin7909
3 жыл бұрын
Don't think he's getting a Snell Xmas gift this year, lol
@mtdew992
3 жыл бұрын
@@billmcmeekin7909 judging by the info he just provided, who would want one anyhow 😂
@creamydonk
3 жыл бұрын
We're going to find him with two self-inflicted blunt force impacts to the same spot on the back of his head
@drp4783
3 жыл бұрын
@@creamydonk 😂
@nutriacubica
3 жыл бұрын
@@creamydonk They will not throw him off the moving vehicle after done tho because they be damned to partake in variable force impacts.
@jimhufford7328
3 жыл бұрын
Read an article several years ago where an unnamed helmet seller said, "'First we make it Snell, then we make it safe."
@highball7347
4 ай бұрын
Yeah that’s found nowhere on the internet. Need more detail.
@justcommenting4981
4 ай бұрын
@@highball7347 not everything is on the internet. It's a random quote from an unnamed article.
@jimmorrison306
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Snell is in the business of staying in business.
@LTVoyager
3 жыл бұрын
Ah, yeah, like every other business, organization and government.
@MK-hb3xc
3 жыл бұрын
Snell served a good purpose when they started, and still do with their automotive standards and possible some of their other standards. The fact is the ECE standard has just caught up and surpassed them in being relevant. Snell really should simply abandon the motorcycle helmet market, but that might cut a big chunk of revenue from their pockets.
@kurtjustiniani1354
3 жыл бұрын
That's what happens when you got hard headed people running an organization/company. They don't typically adjust to the times and trends and often than not, get left behind. In short complacency. (See Kodak, Nokia and other companies that were not relevant today)
@mike.thomas
3 жыл бұрын
@@kurtjustiniani1354 “Hard headed”. I see what you did there :-).
@quillmaurer6563
3 жыл бұрын
Would make sense for them to keep their standards as they are and state that it's intended for race car driving, not motorcycling. That would be of benefit to both motorcyclists and race car drivers. Problem with that, the reason they don't take that approach, is that far fewer helmets are sold for race car driving than for motorcycling. They'd rather have a meaningless standard on a lot of helmets than a relevant one on a few. Profit above mission, apparently.
@tomekhohn
3 жыл бұрын
Oh? Fortnine posted another video? It's the equivalence of a mini Christmas every time, quality content
@skillissue267
3 жыл бұрын
True af
@JB4KE
3 жыл бұрын
ESPECIALLY when you catch it on your lunch break 🤤😉
@cccpkingu
3 жыл бұрын
Yule. "Christmas" only emulates the European tradition, and nobody follows their additions.
@mooncake4511
3 жыл бұрын
True
@AJL15N
3 жыл бұрын
Prancing moose? I spy a fellow Volvo driver 😂
@thomas316
3 жыл бұрын
It sounds like riders would be better off going for an ECE compliant helmet and ignoring Snell. 🤔
@DaemonViews
3 жыл бұрын
It always has been
@tisFrancesfault
3 жыл бұрын
They would be right to do so.
@noobasdfjkl
3 жыл бұрын
Not really. Most tracks in the US require helmets to have SNELL certification to be allowed to ride there. That makes this a very sticky situation.
@randombuilds8336
3 жыл бұрын
ECE is actually safer than snell, has been for a while. DOT is kinda bare minimum.
@philipparana9225
3 жыл бұрын
I skip ece and go for fim. If it's good enough for MotoGP good for me
@timtam929
3 жыл бұрын
FIM and ECE are taking in new data and adapting to the new conclusions on what is actually safe. Snell is sitting in its corner throwing a tantrum.
@Al.j.Vasquez
3 жыл бұрын
A very M'urican way to do it.
@ChrisLoew
3 жыл бұрын
Bingo
@adamvanderploeg8270
3 жыл бұрын
this reminded me of a quote from Tim minchin's poem, Storm: "Science adjusts its views based on whats observed, faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved"
@fartingfury
3 жыл бұрын
@@helpfulcommenter In that case, go look at the animated video of the poem on KZitem. It's full of lines like that one.
@kevinmoore4887
3 жыл бұрын
Evolve or die. SNELL was the go to standard when I bought my first helmet in 1974. I would expect data based science to push new standards. Looks like ECE is the alternative safety standard when helmet shopping.
@kaptein1247
3 жыл бұрын
''If the name can mean 2 different things, does it mean anything?'' Thats a quote to remember
@Vcen7
3 жыл бұрын
And the answer is always: "Yes. It means whatever is the worst version for you, will be the one you get. Always."
@workingguy6666
3 жыл бұрын
like the Ford Mustang, for example? Jesus, Ford fucked that up.
@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah! Fuck the word "wound"! Lee: "Stop getting me wound up Brenda!" Brenda: "Wound up? I haven't stabbed you yet! How did you know I had a knife?"
@itsjustsid3502
2 жыл бұрын
Funny thing, reminds me of the word woman now....
@thehouseofcrumblingidols2694
2 жыл бұрын
What is a woman?
@connergunnoe5576
3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I watched this video and you are exactly correct Ryan! I just finished the riding academy at our local Harley Davidson and in the class they gave us a little Snell flyer that basically showed a graphic putting Snell’s standard way up and above what the ECE standard is. So Snell is still trying to trash on the European standards to keep those helmets out of our market here in the US and they’re doing it by targeting the least informed crowd of riders out there. Newbies like myself! I will be looking for an ece helmet for sure. Thanks for the great content!
@anthonysimoes7307
2 жыл бұрын
But it was a class full of Harley riders so 95% I'm guessing we open face helmets anyways which are knowhere near as safe as almost every full face no matter what sticker is on it.
@emiloguechoons9030
Жыл бұрын
American Capitalism at its finest, who cares if your brain gets turned into road grease, as long as we make our money! Absolutely revolting, non-profit my a*s
@NotJustAnotherAverageJoe
10 ай бұрын
@@anthonysimoes7307 helmets?
@simplemeow6887
3 жыл бұрын
The Moviemaker is back to save our Brains.
@frednoble1833
3 жыл бұрын
O fuckin 💘.love this man. He is a fuckin jenious. And explains. Very specifically. Why. HE VERY FUCKIN KOOL. LOVE LOVE LOVE HIM NIGHTFENCER GATEKEEPER. FREDDY FROM.NOBLE FENCE. BRAINTREE MASSACHUSETTS. I HAVE SEBERAL SICK MACHINES ONE ID THE 199I KAWASAKI ZRC 1100 EITH NITROUS OXIDE AND MANY ENGINE UPGRADES. VALVES. PORTED POLISHED. BALANC3D AND BLUEPRINTED MOTOR CRANK. LOTS OF TITANIUM. L8fters roller rocker cams. Rc engineering. Keblar CLUTCH ETC. .HOLY FUCK .
@SuperDinomagic
3 жыл бұрын
Literally
@cesartapia610
3 жыл бұрын
Ralphthemoviemaker
@rishi-m
3 жыл бұрын
@@frednoble1833 seems like a nice setup, cheers
@miroslavmilan
3 жыл бұрын
This isn’t even a KZitem video anymore. It’s an art. It’s a masterpiece.
@stoneblue1795
3 жыл бұрын
More like what should be accredited course study on the topic, but I'm feeling your vibe.
@metalheads-golf
3 жыл бұрын
🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
@exothermal.sprocket
3 жыл бұрын
But what did you learn?
@uniearesende
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. It is a super production.
@theMightywooosh
3 жыл бұрын
was going to add a like, but let's just leave it at 420
@PricedDoughnut
3 жыл бұрын
Good to see someone in the motorcycle journalism community talking about this. I never see much about it from other sources. And this is one of several videos Ryan has done to shed light on little known safety issues within motorcycling.
@SwainixFPV
3 жыл бұрын
And he states all his sources, like I'd pay RF9 money to keep making videos if he ever gets dropped from fortnine (would be crazy because for me he's the guy I follow and not the website but idk how it's run) or wants to take a different direction
@GabrielEtsHokin
3 жыл бұрын
Um...I think Dexter Ford was "someone in the motorcycle journalism community."
@mrmark8603
3 жыл бұрын
The magazines get too much advertising cash to question this.
@flarue3678
Жыл бұрын
Your mention of the journalist that got fired prompted me into reading the whole story. Corporate values, economic interests, honest journalism, advertising dollars and personal vendettas aside, a really sad story for all of those involved.
@FortNine
Жыл бұрын
"Sad" is the perfect way to describe it. No winners in the long run. ~RF9
@tpilot_error404
3 жыл бұрын
Fortnine : when endcredits are interesting to watch too.
@peterjones2594
3 жыл бұрын
The research and quality of this film is incredible as ever.
@MK-hb3xc
3 жыл бұрын
It missed a few things, like the DOT duration of g force and a puncture test, neither of which are considered in the ECE standard. Still the ECE is better, not just because it is newer, it has been around since at least 2005 from what I've understood.
@MrSoull
3 жыл бұрын
@@MK-hb3xc unreal… 🤦🏼♂️
@myz06rocks
3 жыл бұрын
For a current staffing level at Snell's offices, please refer to the dislike counter on this video.
@drew657
3 жыл бұрын
If they spent half as much time worrying about safety instead of sales as they spent on watching and downvoting the video, the sticker might mean something.
@cyborgrat
3 жыл бұрын
and those who paid the full price tag for a bucket.
@pilkjaer
3 жыл бұрын
Damn, this production quality is off the charts. Great content!
@ircsmith
3 жыл бұрын
My last Snell helmet (Snell M2010) took two huge hits, with my head in it. The helmet looks great. You can see a little cracking on the right side of the chin bar but other than the face shield being scratched you'd never know it was in an accident. Never mind the two days I spent in the hospital for a concussion. I dont want my helmets to survive and accident. I want my brain to be protected. I now only race with ECE lids. bonus is the are lighter as well.
@LeoinFrance
3 жыл бұрын
Wow man, that's some hard fact you just shared here. I'm happy that you keep racing champ!
@tobiaspieringer1653
3 жыл бұрын
Its the same ith crashing old cars with no crumplezones. The car looks fine, but everything inside it is mush.
@davidricci9894
3 жыл бұрын
This info is giving me anxiety about my own Snell helmet
@Bingomandingo
3 жыл бұрын
Have you looked into 6d helmets? They were the first ones to tell me what a crock of shit Snell was years ago but their acessebility to a market suffered because they're a US brand and far too many people wouldn't look their way because of how they rejected snell (due to how it causes concussions) and stuck with ECE. They have a major focus on preventing concussions and after that crash you probably can't be affording any more dude
@tortron
3 жыл бұрын
@@tobiaspieringer1653 I have a car with no seatbelts, My grandmother crashed an identical one years ago and was simply thrown through the windscreen to safety. It has a split windscreen so you only have to replace half of it too
@Propulus
3 жыл бұрын
Every single video on this channel is absolutely fantastic, especially in the last 4-3 years, doesn't matter what topic it is, whether safety, reviews, tips,.. just keep on making them, best part of yt imo.
@JMsurYT
3 жыл бұрын
It's crazy, isn't it. Most channels would dream of hitting this quality level once, but they are doing it on a daily basis.
@blankv8057
3 жыл бұрын
Dude kills it! Literally checks all boxes I’ve never even driven a motorcycle haha
@BackwardsMarathonPSU
3 жыл бұрын
The execs at Snell are NOT going to be having a good Monday once this video makes its way across their desk….probably any minute now. I am imagining several emergency PR meetings and a “task force” being created, lol.
@GrimYak
3 жыл бұрын
Im sure right now there is an email with the subject URGENT
@anonym3017
3 жыл бұрын
@@helpfulcommenter every foundation and company has someone in charge.
@CaffeineFreak13
3 жыл бұрын
This information has been out for a while. Ryan has even made videos about different ratings.
@AshrakAhmed
3 жыл бұрын
@@helpfulcommenter that's what they would like to make you think about them. Getting a non profit tag is a good way to keep your income from taxing. They charge for their certification so they make money and they are fighting to keep their rating standard as the main one not ECE/FIM even if it saves lives. SO tax evasion, care less about saving lives and more about licensing fees, making a half ass standard so their certified makers can sell in another safer standards territory! Non profit my ass!
@atlas8rides
3 жыл бұрын
Ehh, those execs will probably discuss it and come up with 2 FortNine conclusions that justifies not making any smart changes
@Razorshot-gk3dq
2 жыл бұрын
This video was one of the biggest reasons i went for an ECE certified helmet for my first helmet when i started riding. Thanks Ryan
@MaxwellAerialPhotography
3 жыл бұрын
Lord have mercy on the enemies of safe helmets, because Ryan sure won’t.
@chrisb.487
3 жыл бұрын
I keep asking myself "Why are these videos so short?" only to realize "Oh, it's actually 8 min long."
@geoffwatches
3 жыл бұрын
Because he doesn't stuff it with filler to make it past the 10 minute youtube preference algorithm. Though in this case he definintlry should - this is a PSA.
@chrisb.487
3 жыл бұрын
Aside from that, his videos are so damn good. I get so engrossed, I hardly notice time passing by
@debbiemilka2251
3 жыл бұрын
It is not so much the brevity, but the frequency of same. hate waiting a whole month between installments. The delivery has always been quite enjoyable and the touch of incredulity adds a strong factor of believable confidence. The entries from this year though by Ryan and even stronger and more powerful in presentation of vital topics. Very top sort and the industry should be paying close attention to this critical research. Well done Ryan . You are making our lives safer bit by bit. Probably not in the cards, but I for one would like bi-weekly or perhaps something every three weeks.
@thurney4343
3 жыл бұрын
I love the 50"s film noire feel to this video. Nicely done Ryan! Hard to accept that Snell and DOT can't change and adapt to better and more realistic standards that save their customers. I guess they really don't care about improving, but are hard headed and care more about making money.
@RockandrollNegro
2 жыл бұрын
"Hardheaded..." I see what you did there.
@SeraphimCramer
2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, what else do you expect from America?
@darthnatas953
Жыл бұрын
@@SeraphimCramer Maybe to dominate the world like we have been doing for the last 78 years.
@SeraphimCramer
Жыл бұрын
@@darthnatas953 Lol & there's the exact brand of American hard headedness & refusal to change I was talking about. We haven't dominated shit in the world in decades
@darthnatas953
Жыл бұрын
@@SeraphimCramer The US economy is the largest in the world. Our military is the largest in the world. We have the most personal freedom in the world (in most states). US citizens have the largest per capita assets in the world. Our government spends the most money on the stupidest, most wasteful shit in the world. All this with very detrimental demographics compared with countries like Denmark, Sweden, etc. And in spite of half of US citizens either not working at all, or working for the government (which is actually worse for production, because government workers not only have to be provided for by people who actually produce worthwhile products and services, but many also actively stand in the way of production.) The half of us that are working are so friggin productive that we can protect every country’s borders in the world except our own, with a military 10 times bigger than it needs to be, carry 25% of the people on our backs, all while swimming upstream against the other 25%. We drove Russia in to bankruptcy, managed to babysit Europe for the last 75 years, fought several useless wars with no point, and still are able to hand out free stuff to nearly every country in the world. All while doing equally worthless stuff like flying to the moon. China is next to get their butt kicked if we can get our fellow citizens to focus on what the actual problem is, instead of dreaming up fake problems to spend fake money on like the Earth possibly getting warmer or colder, or that medical care, education, or some other service that someone has to pay for is somehow a “right.”
@jawadulkarim9498
3 жыл бұрын
So basically: SNELL ❌ ECE ✅
@andy_byrd
3 жыл бұрын
FIM is actually the checkmark here. But ECE is being pulled by them so it'll do
@mateojimenez5905
3 жыл бұрын
and FIM is best
@tisFrancesfault
3 жыл бұрын
@@andy_byrd FIM is for professional racers and offers the best protection at speed. However Its expensive. ECE is in General fine for most road users, and is cheaper to buy. But as far as min standards go; ECE is far more practical and superior than the Snell Standard,
@ciprianb4794
3 жыл бұрын
@@mateojimenez5905 But you only get fim on at least 1000$ helmets
@cube1cze
3 жыл бұрын
@@ciprianb4794 Take a look at Scorpion EXO R-1 thats 500$ lid and passed FIM standards.
@BTDTChino
3 жыл бұрын
I'll stick with my ECE rated helmets. They do more accurate testing for crashes motorcyclists actually get in to.
@STho205
3 жыл бұрын
Almost every major international brand has them both, and almost all of them get a 4 or 5star SHARP aftermarket lab rating. You are unlikely to get a helmet that fails SHARP, even cheap China crap like HJC , Fuel or Scorpion.... Ride smart, don't duche ride and you most likely will never find out which is better.
@seb9940
3 жыл бұрын
@@STho205 You dont have to be a "duche rider" to get that kind of experience. Unfortunately someone i knew personally experienced it and that didnt end well...
@STho205
3 жыл бұрын
@@seb9940 were they wearing a helmet?
@arsyadgafli8749
3 жыл бұрын
@@STho205 HJC is definitely not cheap china crap
@STho205
3 жыл бұрын
@@arsyadgafli8749 there is almost always a personal need to reinforce ones value by the product choices made in a branded consumer all basically the same market. You can't be a man cause you don't smoke the brand I do used to be the old joke fifty years ago. I have an HJC and it wore well. It was OK. It was a plastic outer shell, some igloo cooler extruded styrofoam, some laminate gray foam rubber with glue molded fabric. All the China buckets are that. They work for the purpose, but nothing to really cheer about. When it got over six years, i took it apart to see hie it was built. The unsupported shell would squish in half under pressure. I hit it with a sander snf it holed in under a second. The styrofoam was.. styrofoam... But the padding waa taped onto it with gaffers tape. No sewing. The tape was dry and powdery. It held together for six years, but probably any China "counterfeit" bucket would also. Since all China factories are controlled ultimately by ONE PARTY CORPORATION... is there really a difference. Last years revolutionary HJC is likely this years Alibaba/Amazon $80 special. I'm sure you're fine. I'm sure you're safe. They would hold together enough for a typical accident... However the five year rule is being pushed because cheap construction doesn't last long. Like Chinese Clark Shoes that are just trading on an old Western brand name.
I regret my purchase. Luckily I have to buy a new helmet next year anyway. ECE it is
@luckify3046
3 жыл бұрын
I bought a snell helmet about two months ago... R.I.P.
@SooHighFashion
3 жыл бұрын
@@luckify3046 yeah I got a bell race star rip hbu
@seniorrider9337
3 жыл бұрын
A very good reason to take another safety course and practice safety at every chance. YOU are the best safety device available. Ride safe, ride long!
@SooHighFashion
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bagration421oh I didn't know that, every website I've seen says the safety of the race star is very good. I think the pro star is even better
@oaklecopel
3 жыл бұрын
Ryan, I’d love to see one of your good old fashioned reviews on the Pan America. I’ve heard some good things about the bike, but I’m interested to see what you think of it.
@randombuilds8336
3 жыл бұрын
I've heard lots of great from magazines, but not much from actual owners yet. Still being a new engine design I'd wait a couple years before buying one. But I do love the comfort and practicality of ADV bikes.
@WPGKLR
3 жыл бұрын
@@randombuilds8336 The only "Owner" review I saw was some Harley bro who talked up how much dirt biking he used to do then proceeded to drive the Pan America like a geriatric down a relatively smooth road. I wont be taking his opinion on the bike, that's for sure.
@FortNine
3 жыл бұрын
Been trying to get a hold of one! It's at the top of our to-do list. ~RF9
@romgl4513
3 жыл бұрын
@@WPGKLR Seems that bro has a realistic idea of 150hp elephant bike off-road capabilities. You want extreme? Harley did it in the commercial. Every fall on the Pan-am will cost like a slightly used Honda motocross bike.
@Vince_vanca
3 жыл бұрын
@@FortNine you should ask revzilla :p
@ApodyktycznyCzlek
3 жыл бұрын
oh come on, Ryan, you're about to kill another safety standard?
@UpstateDS
3 жыл бұрын
Worthless safety standards should be killed off.
@kilianortmann9979
3 жыл бұрын
@@UpstateDS No, they go to a farm upstate.
@darkiee69
3 жыл бұрын
You mean unsafety standard, right?
@ApodyktycznyCzlek
3 жыл бұрын
I mean, yeah, Ryan's totally right, but bruh, he's on the killing spree
@l0pher
3 жыл бұрын
"Safety" standard
@carlanderson6574
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Ryan! Could we get a video honestly reviewing internet gear companies like Ruroc, skully, engine hawk, etc.????
@lofisgames7821
3 жыл бұрын
I'd be really interested in his opinion on Ruroc.
@mowen8487
3 жыл бұрын
Oh pleaseeee
@Jobin909
3 жыл бұрын
We need this!!!
@8eewee
2 жыл бұрын
This. Ruroc seems nice at first glance ( and Enginehawk by extension) but there's something that feels off about the whole deal.
@mithunnaidu0816
3 жыл бұрын
Snell : we are best certification Ryan : I'm about end this man's whole career 😂
@reaper8887
3 жыл бұрын
Ryan should check out India's revised ISI standards. That's even more messed up than this Snell situation.
@stoneblue1795
3 жыл бұрын
Does it come with a BBQ GRILL bolted to one side like their motorcycles?
@reaper8887
3 жыл бұрын
@@stoneblue1795luckily no !! Well, atleast for now anyway. And that BBQ grill thingie is mandatory for the registration of any motorcycle.
@Lex4122
3 жыл бұрын
And who is surprised that in India safety standards are borked?
@RiloElton
3 жыл бұрын
@@reaper8887 yeah I'm curious about that bbq grill thingy in India. What purpose does it serve? Can you get rid of it after you've registered it?
@reaper8887
3 жыл бұрын
@@RiloEltonThat contraption is called a "saree guard", it's designed to keep pillion riders "saree" or any other bulky clothing from getting caught in the sprockets or wheels and lead onto any accidents. Even though that thing is mandatory for the road bikes here, most will get rid of it after the registration process is over.
@thedudewiththehair7535
3 жыл бұрын
A moment of silence to the one person that didn't like this quality content.
@nathanbossier2446
3 жыл бұрын
probebly someone who works at snell xd
@chrisb.487
3 жыл бұрын
There's two now so I'm guessing it's the president and vice president of Snell
@rottentom009
3 жыл бұрын
1000% guaranteed it's the owner of a Snell approved helmet... that he just bought on fortnine 😂😂
@AndreiNeacsu
3 жыл бұрын
@@nathanbossier2446 Most likely a bloke who suffered a crash wearing a Snell certified helmet. This raises the moral and philosophical question: "is someone who's brain-dead, but dislikes videos online, considered alive or deceased?"
@konanLerehcob
3 жыл бұрын
That's me. F9 is only telling half of the story and this was very dishonest of him to do so. See, contrary to what he imply there are serious people working for motorbikers safety and doing their job with great care at Snell. And as you guessed, I am one of these people. I work as a HOST (Helmet Operator Special Tester) for Snell and we try our helmets in EVERY condition. The standard of quality is only making sure we reach the specific hardness or softness desired for either market. Nonetheless, I test those helmets myself in real conditions and I have crashed head first over a thousand times in testing already and see how I am not mentally impaired at all ? Snell quality for sure.
@ThePassionateBiker
3 жыл бұрын
Ryan working so hard to investigate which standard for helmet is safer. Meanwhile in India - Helmet must comply with Indian ISI standard which is basically low end version of ECE , Otherwise no matter how safe your helmet is, it's illegal.
@rightwingsafetysquad9872
3 жыл бұрын
That’s how it is almost everywhere, you must psd the local standard. In America all helmets must pass DOT. Thankfully almost all helmets that pass ECE also pass DOT.
@mrrashu77
3 жыл бұрын
Also the ECE certified helmets which are undoubtedly superior, are considered ILLEGAL, as if it was contraband. ffs
@krabha9681
3 жыл бұрын
Go for Royal Enfield helmets, they are ISI DOT certified and ECE approved. Affordable too.
@humannature4327
3 жыл бұрын
Its funny that we indian start using helmet only recently...few years before people used to say to people who use to wear helmets *that are you going to space..if not then why are you wearing that urn on your head* ..🙄 PS: ECE helmetes are more relevant in today's India because now the bike are getting faster so the chance of you rolling on the road and hitting your head on the multiple side has increased But before the story was different
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