I wasn't convinced until you said that classical/hymn Christian music is widely appreciated by society compared to contemporary Christian music only being enjoyed by Christians. That's a very interesting point and it's got me thinking about this topic more.
@redeemedzoomer6053
Жыл бұрын
Remember - the Church's job is to impress the world, shining the light with its goodness, truth, and beauty (don't forget the beauty)
@Tax_Collector01
Жыл бұрын
Baroque Christian music is severely underrated, falling behind classical in terms of popularity…Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, etc. all composed arias (vocal music) that were commissioned for churches or aristocratic individuals.
@lawrencecastle2777
Жыл бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053not the beauty of a building, of Jesus and the gospel
@itsallloveingenz
Жыл бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 It reminds me of what you said about evolution on your Instagram. People who support YEC are largely Christian. It's very rare to find secular people who believe YEC. However, both Christians and secular people affirm Darwinist evolution.
@buddigabong
Жыл бұрын
Gospel music is definitely enjoyed by people who aren't christian.
@Coolkid245
Жыл бұрын
not only is zoomer a based gamer, but he’s also a musician, mathematician, and Lithuanian?! Actually insane
@davidrobinson7260
Жыл бұрын
Giga chad
@samw7998
Жыл бұрын
I thought he was Israeli
@Coolkid245
Жыл бұрын
@@samw7998 he said ethnically jewish so probably one parent is ashkenazi and one is lithuanian
@evanevanf4033
Жыл бұрын
Someone show Redeemed Zoomer Seiji Igusa he’s an excellent finger stylist guitarist on KZitem. I looked him up and apparently he use to perform at his church (and who knows, maybe he still does). I know I would definitely want him perform at my church 😅
@antesemitic8668
Жыл бұрын
Lithuanian nobility believed they were descended from the 10 lost tribes of Israel, so there's something to it@@samw7998
@timboslice980
Жыл бұрын
Crazy story! I was an atheist and explicit hater of christianity but lover of humanity so i thought it was a kindness to explain how silly christianity was to anyone who would listen. I listened to a lot of dawkins, hitchens, harris that crowd. Anyway my job was doing deliveries in the mountains around colorado springs..... the only stations i could get were 2 christian stations. Klove and another local springs station. After about 6 months of being forced to listen some of the songs started getting a little familiar and sounded pretty good. Klove was foing this thing cslled the klove challenge. No theology.... no scripture.... just listen to nothing but christian music for a month think about the lyrics and nothing else. See what changes take place in your life.... i couldnt believe how much nicer to people i became. How much less selfish i became, i started thinking "man if all these people are doing this in vein, it would be an absolute tragedy" i thought maybe i could take some of the tenets of christianity and improve myself with them. One night while camping in this area called sangre de cristos i woke up in the middle of the night to relieve myself. I was stunned at what i saw... the night sky above the clouds was the most incredibly beautiful thing i had ever seen. I got thinking.... what other animal besides a human would be awestruck by such a sight? Not one... not a chimp, not an elephant, a dog, a crow, or a dolphin or any of the animals we consider intelligent by animal standards. Something is different in humans that allows us to appreciate something like that..... the thought process eventually led me to believe in god again and it all started with a CCM station having more reception than the rock stations in the mountains. Crooked sticks right?
@IAmDawnPatrol
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience! Welcome my brother in Christ! ✝
@timboslice980
Жыл бұрын
@cosmicpigeonjanitor7939 thanks.... its really amazing how the lord got to me.
@benextraanimates7398
6 ай бұрын
Amazing just please capitalize God
@KawaiiCanadafreememes
Жыл бұрын
The fact Classic hymns and historic Christian music is appreciated by non-religious people is enough to prove to me it's superior to contemporary Christian music which generally isn’t even enjoyed by most Christians.
@NewLayersPodcast
Жыл бұрын
Check out Sondae or Darla Baltazar-- I thought that maybe you may like these artists 💗
@NewLayersPodcast
Жыл бұрын
I would agree to disagree- contemporary Christian music actually HITS. Just find the right style
@bengus2069
Жыл бұрын
Viola players endless struggle to produce a clear non-scratchy tone perfectly symbolizes the human struggle against the sinful heart. When we finally manage to play more than three subsequent notes perfectly in tune, (and add a lovely wide, yet slow vibrato) we can feel Gods mercy and love overflowing through the strings like the sweetest of syrupy goodness.
@michaellaivey5904
Жыл бұрын
This comment deserves more love
@michaellaivey5904
Жыл бұрын
Much like violas.
@garrettheady6585
Жыл бұрын
I love this comment! It reads like poetry and it resonates with me very deeply. I don’t see a lot of love for the viola, but they are so vital to the sound of the string section. As with the body of Christ, violas cannot say they are useful because they are not a violin or a cello. Neither can a cello say they are useless because they are not a contrabass or a viola. This comment was a great blessing to me.
@roberthughes9295
Жыл бұрын
As a former math major it made me happy to hear another math major who sees God's beauty through mathematical truths! Also, Vern Poythress' book "Redeeming Mathematics" is a wonderful take on God's sovereignty and its relation to mathematical truths.
@Rher_the_Moon
Жыл бұрын
Ever since I saw Disney’s Hercules as a kid I’ve loved Gospel music 😌 it really captures how more emotional people experience G-d.
@hiptoalieu
Жыл бұрын
And I am sure (unfortunately) this guy would REALLY dislike that form of Soul/80s/charismatic leaning form of Gospel music sadly!
@micmikeman6865
Жыл бұрын
@@hiptoalieuNot necessarily
@Skibidivm_Latrinae
Жыл бұрын
@@hiptoalieuhe said in an earlier video that he likes black gospel music
@WarriorcatGerda
5 ай бұрын
Pls do NOT leave the o out of God
@jimluebke3869
Жыл бұрын
"Traditional music was contemporary when it was written" Yeah, and what was good is remembered, and what was bad is forgotten. Go through a modern hymnal, and you'll find each century, each decade, making its contribution to the whole.
@gumbyshrimp2606
10 ай бұрын
What contemporary songs do you think would be included in 200 years?
@jimluebke3869
10 ай бұрын
@@gumbyshrimp2606 I'm partial to the tune of _Earth and All Stars_ and I'm grateful people have been attempting to write less silly lyrics for it. There will probably be a style of worship using popular tunes, with Christianized lyrics. I suspect "Let It Go" will be turned into an anthem about salvation, and the original lyrics about shirking responsibility will be forgotten. No one remembers the lyrics to "Greensleeves", but everyone at least recognizes "What Child is This".
@igorlopes7589
7 ай бұрын
Premodern church Music always remembered us of silence and quiet contemplation of God. Modern church music plays with our most animal emotions to make us feel good.
@igorlopes7589
7 ай бұрын
@@jimluebke3869To be fair let it go is good inside the movie's narrative, it expresses perfectly what Elsa felt at the moment. The problem is it being more remembered than Elsa finally accepting her responsabilities for the ones she loved at the end of the movie. "No right no wrong no rules for me" almost costed Anna's life
@jimluebke3869
7 ай бұрын
@@igorlopes7589 Every single song in that movie fits well, but is full of incredibly bad judgement. "Summer" is just the icing on that cake. I guess it fits well with other Disney movie songs, though.
@LightningIsLit
Жыл бұрын
As a 17-year-old classical musician who has been forced to play contemporary music at a Pentecostal church, twice a week, for the past 4 years, I can tell before watching that I’m going to agree with a lot of the content in this video. I’ve always tried to voice my opinions on it but my mum just complains that I simply don’t value God and the talent he’s given me enough. Edit: He says he plays the viola, he has now lost all credibility
@redeemedzoomer6053
Жыл бұрын
Never be ashamed of hating contemporary music. That's your soul speaking to you, craving true beauty
@LightningIsLit
Жыл бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Thanks m8, when I’m older and no longer bound by evangelicalism, I’ll do what you’re doing with your reconquesta thing, except I’ll be reforming music in the church. MARK MY WORDS IT’S GONNA HAPPEN!
@ma_yuvari2215
10 ай бұрын
That edit😂
@priestofronaldalt
7 ай бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 I don't think "true beauty" is the term I'd use as I'd just call it good music from a design perspective. Modern chart toppers, be it rap, pop, etc cetera seem to follow a whole different school of musical art than songs used to. Modern mainstream music looks to maximize viewer engagement through sex appeal and memorable beats as opposed to the compositional genius that makes the music of the past memorable. This focal shift to grabing the viewer's attention seems to happen to any art form whose production gets industrialized from movies, to music, video games, painting, et cetera. Actually well composed music still exists, just not mainstream.
@cyborg_v271
Жыл бұрын
As someone who like Christian Power Metal - Theres approprite places for different music, obviously a church service isnt going to be blasting metal. Some music can be quiet for prayer, others instil unity and music such as said metal can instill awe for the power of God. I think theres a place for all of it, so long as its from a place of worship. Id be curious though to hear others opinions on this... If anyones interested Theocracys Easter is an epic tale and Narnia's MNFST are some of my favourites
@DarthCiliatus
Жыл бұрын
Just checked those out. Easter is now in my top 5 favorite songs.
@contratoronto5868
Жыл бұрын
As someone who doesn't listen to CCM when I feel the need to humble myself into a posture of worship and instead chooses to listen to the likes of Wolves At The Gate or My Epic (not Power Metal, but definitely on the aggressive side of things) I wholeheartedly agree
@Cosmin_TheMusicGuy
Жыл бұрын
Electronic music lover here, i'm with you!
@MrOoYT
7 ай бұрын
Christian metal is really underrated. I’m a doom metal guy, and everyone in doom metal seems to love Trouble but nobody else is really into Christian metal bands apart from actual Christian communities
@kastenbrustarmory6907
3 ай бұрын
@@MrOoYTTROUBLE❗❗✝️✝️
@maurits7162
Жыл бұрын
I've learned so much from this guy and he's so wholesome! honestly a great channel!
@valorantsucks60
Жыл бұрын
I am working to be a classical musician and I am so happy you made this video I have been making many of these points for a while now and it makes me glad that you are shedding some light on it Edit: nice organ btw
@alexdriskell
Жыл бұрын
I also find it incredibly interesting that every pastor I’ve spoken w/ in their office when I went in was listening to classical music to help them 1). Focus 2). Come into the beauty of God. My dad is SBC pastor & every time I walked past his study I’d hear classical music being played. He’s also a former music major & music minister so that helps
@thegooddeciple486
Жыл бұрын
Bach's chaconne (bwv 1004) and it's beauty literally touched my heart and pointed me to God.
@kawaiidays2528
Жыл бұрын
wow this really revolutionized my mind! As a music student, this made me reflect on what music is and how I can use music as a tool to fully glorify God. I guess this is why music therapy exists. Using music to help people overcome a sickness, for example, PTSD, Cancer, Amnesia etc. God's power really transcended through music eh?
@ZenitherX
Жыл бұрын
I Started listening to psalms, cause of you bro thank you
@davidfitzpatrick6535
Жыл бұрын
❤ oh boy if this is how hard Zoomer goes on contemporary worship music i would love to hear his thoughts on metal and rock and roll music
@Kayla-ze1ur
Жыл бұрын
I was reading that a week ago in Plato’s republic for school. Music feeds directly into the soul, surpassing the mind, and it makes people love what’s good and hate what’s evil. According to Plato. Great book. Who wants to suffer with me and read it?
@westhuizenarchives2614
Жыл бұрын
БОЖЕ ЦАРЯ ХРАНИ! ❤
@andrewnewman5945
Жыл бұрын
One of the reasons I love Rich Mullins' music. His music and lyrics had such variety and complexity. Although he went to be with the Lord 27 years ago, his legacy lives on. If you've never heard of this guy, you should check him out.
@Aidan-ku6tz
Жыл бұрын
Finally someone knows about Mullins nobody at my youth group knows who he is
@thechristanfangirl6699
10 ай бұрын
I hear rich Mullins and automatically thought Andrew Peterson lol also a fantastic artist
@hiptoalieu
Жыл бұрын
You can find consonant and dissonant tonal structures in pretty much ANY form of Christian music! Modern Worship Songs do a really good job of this... Take a listen to where the minor chord is placed in "Death Was Arrested" The lyric says "Darkness rejoiced as though heaven had lost..." That line ends with an A minor whole and there's a big floor tom and kick drum hit that I play to emphasize the darkness of that tone..."BUT THEN JESUS AROSE" IMMEDIATELY the band starts driving on the major tonic chord and OF COURSE it's major!
@Littleton3513
Жыл бұрын
That song is awesome
@gumbyshrimp2606
10 ай бұрын
That song has a lot of fluff though and still comes out as a concert rather than a hymn
@rokano
11 күн бұрын
The viola is the illegitimate child between the violin and the cello.
@AncestralGratitude85
Жыл бұрын
Huberman podcast did a similar video, which I commented that Christians should know to watch what they hear, see, think, and do on account of this reverberation of music and other entertainment. It resounds in the heart if you allow it resonate with you in some way.
@JosiahTheSiah
Жыл бұрын
Never knew the M in STEM stood for Music 💀 1:17
@em.the.awful.waffle
Жыл бұрын
No it's math, he got it mixed up
@ChrisTheFreedomEnjoyer
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the assertion that classical music is objectively the greatest possible form of music and everything else since then has gotten it wrong is just not true. Metal is personally my favorite genre of music. Metal sounds way more beautiful to me than classical music does. There are so many metal songs that literally give me chills every time I listen to them. Hillsong isn't bad because rock music isn't beautiful, it's bad because crappy, mass-produced, public domain music isn't beautiful. If you don't believe me, listen to "Awake and Alive" by the Christian metal band Skillet. It is one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard.
@maxxiong
Жыл бұрын
Our uni's acapella group did "Feel Invincible" a few years ago (no the group is not Christian)
@Haildarklordvader
Жыл бұрын
Gives off hella Ben Shapiro vibes
@hiptoalieu
Жыл бұрын
If you think of CWM music in that realm, then that EXACTLY proves MY point about subjective beauty! Many people think of Christian Hard Rock as being not "peaceful" enough. (LOL)
@chillmemes5865
Жыл бұрын
Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I personally hate metal, and just thinking about some like Linkin Park gives me a headache 😂 Please, if you’re a Christian, just make sure what you’re listening to is pure and righteous
@jacksonmills961
6 ай бұрын
Oh you sweet soul, linkin park is barely even classified as metal. @@chillmemes5865
@sparklyDayz
Жыл бұрын
That’s also why we must be careful what we listen to
@JamesPreus
Жыл бұрын
Lutherans have the best sacred music, hands down. Soli Deo Gloria!
@Scholscooter_1
Жыл бұрын
i should also change my name
@GenZRemnant9748
Жыл бұрын
Probably
@cormundum_o
Жыл бұрын
Probably
@rynun7620
Жыл бұрын
Probably
@liambaker2057
Жыл бұрын
Probably
@Oatmealyum
Жыл бұрын
Probably
@johnpauljones4778
Жыл бұрын
I'm a music major (violinist) and I'm currently taking a required class on 20th century music theory. It's largely post-tonal garbage that doesn't sound good at all. There's serialism, so-called extended techniques, ametric rhythm, and lots of other nonsense that seems like it was used for the sake of it, without caring if the piece is actually enjoyable to listen to. But there are still some great composers from the 20th century who wrote actual good music. An underrated one imo is Respighi. Listen to his pieces "Church Windows" and "Concerto Gregoriano". I played the latter piece for a recital a while back
@redeemedzoomer6053
Жыл бұрын
Atonal 12-tone music, like Schoenberg, is a crime. Luckily things got a LITTLE better with Steve Reich and John Adams with their minimalism
@hiptoalieu
Жыл бұрын
I see INNOVATION as being the most admirable part of most all classical and Neo classical composers...so yeah, Chopin was innovative but Gershwin was also hugely innovative as well.@@redeemedzoomer6053
@sophiegarcia5
Жыл бұрын
I’m so glad you mentioned Respighi, I also believe he’s underrated… his secular music in general is just incredible.
@sophiegarcia5
Жыл бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053Then things got a little too ‘objectively beautiful’ and people like Ludovico Einaudi came along, who are just pop song writers without lyrics. I wonder what you think about Philip Glass… some of his stuff is quite interesting indeed but then he has some string quartets (Mishima) and piano pieces (The Hours) which I’d say are quite beautiful. I appreciate Steve Reich far more though because at least his music for 18 musicians and all that stuff are actually incredibly complex and beautiful pieces, whereas Glass, while he’s hailed as being complex and difficult, really just builds his pieces on repetitive arpeggios. I’ve had enough of people who call composers like Glass and Cage ‘geniuses’ when in actual fact they were just trying to dismantle every aspect of traditional music without even making it bearable to listen to, in many cases.
@sophiegarcia5
Жыл бұрын
Oh, and don’t forget Barber!
@davidmckelvey2601
Жыл бұрын
Redeemed Zoomer is the type of guy who would play viola.
@gang.jesus_
11 ай бұрын
I love both Contemporary and Classical Worship music, but i do agree that the classical worship music is objectively beautiful.
@Holy-Heretic
8 ай бұрын
I sincerely believe this is the best video currently on KZitem
@JonathanBrinker
Жыл бұрын
The best example of this is Handel’s Messiah. It’s beautiful.
@MiaStrayer
Жыл бұрын
I love music especially classical and worship music I play the harp not professionally but I do play I like to play Christian music I'll do classical also I want to learn more music but with my learning disability and other disabilities on top of that it's hard but I enjoy music
@joe.O7X
Жыл бұрын
If mathematics and music reveal the mind of God, does that mean math rock the most Godly genre of music?
@hiptoalieu
Жыл бұрын
YES...playing things in 14/8 @ 145.6666689 BPM using all SEVEN modes will DEFINITELY bring people to the Lord...LOL (I love prog btw!!)
@Haildarklordvader
Жыл бұрын
So tool fans act the way they do because they thing they are talking to God? It all makes sense now
@pm-finskii
11 ай бұрын
@@HaildarklordvaderAs an insufferable Tool fan, it's always been this way...
@MrOoYT
7 ай бұрын
@@HaildarklordvaderI always thought Tool’s music was transcendental
@patrickm.4469
Жыл бұрын
Kings Kaleidoscope is amazing and nothing like the rest of contemporary Christian music. I highly recommend them. Rain and The Rush are my 2 favorite songs by them
@stevenstandefer3614
Жыл бұрын
Love your stuff dude, keep it up! God bless!
@ma_yuvari2215
Жыл бұрын
As a violinist, minute 24:00 caught me so offguard sir😂😂😂. You are indeed a violist very into the music world😂😂
@ShepherdGuyIsHere
Жыл бұрын
We band kids have the exact same jokes about trumpeters. (must be something about soprano instruments) Actually, we have jokes about every instrument. Flute = hyperfeminine to the point that male flautists' sexuality is constantly called into question Clarinet = blames EVERYTHING that goes wrong on a bad reed, even if it's completely unrelated to music Saxophone = generic NPC; lives for memes F Horn = somehow more annoying and egotistical than trumpeters Trombone = never matured past like 12 Euphonium (that was me) = either the biggest gigachads you've ever met or complete loners; there is no in between Tuba = fat and stupid Percussion = constantly pretending to be cool, but actually kinda mid
@ma_yuvari2215
Жыл бұрын
@@ShepherdGuyIsHere yo the horn and trombone ones 😆 yeah it might be sopran instruments (that makes sense) but in orchestra ive never heard the trumpets being poked fun of as egotistical.
@DarthCiliatus
Жыл бұрын
@@ShepherdGuyIsHere I'm a percussionist (bass and guitar too) and therefore I'm objectively cooler than all those other nerds.
@alexism6138
Жыл бұрын
You should really check out the song creature by half•alive. It's a song I find extremely moving, but with a new style that's not at all cookie cutter contemporary. You may not like it but I think it proves Christ centered music has so much room for beauty and creativity different from the classics (which are of course amazing) and better than the uninspired repetitive nonsense most modern Christian music has become. Also, loved the video, thank you as always for your thoughtful takes on modern problems.
@masonfuller7840
10 ай бұрын
It’s nice to see another fellow violist. Especially in a non-music related channel.
@ShepherdGuyIsHere
Жыл бұрын
As Hank Hill once said, "You're not making rock 'n' roll any better. You're just making Christianity worse." But seriously, as a chemistry teacher in a public school, your point about seeing the beauty of things kinda did resonate with me- I think if I can manage that, I can be WAY more effective in everything. Also, are you ever going to destroy the most beautiful presuppositionalist house?
@Haildarklordvader
Жыл бұрын
I thought the saying was the other way around, making rock worse
@DarthCiliatus
Жыл бұрын
I have been considering a prog metal band that's songs are exclusively from Psalms.
@savannahke
Жыл бұрын
not sure if it's possible for a violist to have anything insightful to say about music but I'll watch I guess
@redeemedzoomer6053
Жыл бұрын
The oppression of us never ends…
@manog6236
Жыл бұрын
one of the things I appreciated during my time on an IFB seminary is their music program centered on trad and classical music. we get ragged on other Christians who listen to CCM that we listen to old boring Christian music or that we are so limited with our musical options, but its because of that limitation Iv heard great Christian music composed by the music students in that seminary.
@ShepherdGuyIsHere
Жыл бұрын
Just curious; you're an Eagle Scout, right? Did you ever have much to do with the Order of the Arrow? Their song is to the same tune as God Save the Tzar.
@redeemedzoomer6053
Жыл бұрын
actually? DANG IT! I could have joined but I didn't get around to it
@CliffCardi
Жыл бұрын
“A Mighty Fortress is our God” ( a Martin Luther original) is hands down the best hymn.
@jacksonhall2334
Жыл бұрын
I believe that music’s ability to connect the human soul to God isn’t absent in modern Christian music. I also would posit that the statement that CCM is objectively bad is incorrect. It may be simpler in chord structure, but as someone who has studied both of these styles of music, has played both, and has been connected to god through both, one is not superior to the other.
@hiptoalieu
Жыл бұрын
Some Hymns have more chords than modern Contemporary Worship music, BUT some hymns have a LOT less chords than Modern Christian Music!
@WiliGameplay
Жыл бұрын
Greetings from Brazil
@zwatotem
Жыл бұрын
I was hoping to see organs that you can actually play (made with note blocks), not only visual. Are there organs like that anywhere else on the server?
@redeemedzoomer6053
Жыл бұрын
I actually have one in my church, but sadly someone messed with the note blocks so I'll fix it when I get around to it
@RallyTheTally
Жыл бұрын
When it comes to math and music, I think the same could be said of art and painting. So much of the technically parts are learned through math.
@luthien_tinuviel6781
Жыл бұрын
17:32 wooaahhhh yeah that's true! I have always wondered what felt wrong to me when Atheists would say God can't be real because He is not able to be seen etc, but they cannot say that because not all things we know as true/real can be seen. Even then, they might say they don't believe in truth, but they're believing that they don't believe in truth, which to them is truth (if that makes sense). So they can't even rule that out. That's a good useful fact to have in my pocket!
@theintelligentmilkjug944
Жыл бұрын
23:10 I can't agree more with this bit here It's so true.
@DO-pd3ty
Жыл бұрын
I wish some members of my church would understand this
@nullskull6860
Жыл бұрын
While i agree with you a ton o thought id mention that specifically with major and minor chords. The idea of them being sad or tense i do believe is cultural. Here in the west and in Europe we see those that way but i.ve heard some other places see minor chords not as sad but instead beautiful.
@johnlin5550
Жыл бұрын
20:30 "Modern culture doesn't believe in the soul" ironic, considering the word "psychology", which is a relatively modern science, comes from ψυχε (psukhe), which is the Greek word for "soul." Just thought I should mention.
@hiptoalieu
Жыл бұрын
1 Music is math where 2+2=4 BUT You can make it SOUND and FEEL like 2+2=34
@Haildarklordvader
Жыл бұрын
That's why it's beautiful
@redeemedzoomer6053
Жыл бұрын
LITERALLY YES! A 4/4 common time signature is just 2 subdivisions of 2 beats
@deusvulture5183
Жыл бұрын
At last, the episode I begged for! 😊
@Aidan-ku6tz
Жыл бұрын
Have you heard of Glad? They’re an acapella band that redoes hymns really well. Their version of for a thousand tongues is really good.
@ghost750x1
Жыл бұрын
Hey RZ can you post a link to the Genevan Psalter in the comments the description is blank for this video
@redeemedzoomer6053
Жыл бұрын
sorry! Fixed it
@ghost750x1
Жыл бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053thanks no worries
@nattrok
Жыл бұрын
Now I'm very curious about what he thinks of black metal
@supaF
Жыл бұрын
Does anyone have any Christian black metal bands?
@natezube8144
Жыл бұрын
@@supaFGospod was a really good Russian Orthodox Black Metal band, more on the atmospheric/softer side, though they recently apostatized to Paganism. Other than that, two names I have heard of but not yet listened to are Antestor and Extol.
@AeroTimYT
Жыл бұрын
@@supaF crimson moonlight, Ignite the gods, symphony of heaven
@kastenbrustarmory6907
3 ай бұрын
@@supaFHorde‼️there's also a pretty large contingent of black metal that isn't anti-christian or pagan like Dawn or Vinterland
@lopa5881
Жыл бұрын
currently thinking ab changing churches (from nondenom to presby) and i think the music is one of the reasons why. i dont rlly like the repetition of current christian music and the non-solemnity of it all. hymns and christ centered songs are much more solemn even if they’re not that “fun”
@redeemedzoomer6053
Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that! Find a historic Presbyterian church near you: www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=44.03226794579251%2C-92.75978994999998&z=17usaveni&mid=1PNd_sJagci84PyKmGC6M5VJtaLMEWxg
@hiptoalieu
Жыл бұрын
"The only people who enjoy it are the people who agree with the message of the lyrics???" UM...I can't tell you how many comments on LIVE Worship Song videos have started with, "I'm a Muslin...but WOW is this beautiful!!!
@signodeinterrogacion8361
Жыл бұрын
Just curious, what do you guys think of some more experimental contemporary classical composers that where (or still are) also Christian, like Olivier Messiaen, early Krzysztof Penderecki or Sofia Gubaidulina? I'm an atheist, but I'm still interested in seeing some other interpretations of the music I love, and recognise that the Church has had a profound impact on all of Classical Music.
@shawnroy7806
29 күн бұрын
23:00 This seems like a potential point where he was swapped with the Nephilim. I can't know for sure but this definitely seems like it could be when he was swapped.
@yourneighbour3309
Жыл бұрын
cool to learn more about music theory thru this💯💯💯
@joephill2737
Жыл бұрын
Always learning a lot from you
@alisatoniian9718
Жыл бұрын
Oh music is more stem and mathematics is more arts! Lol has a grain of truth
@flameguy3416
Жыл бұрын
Maybe he says STEAM instead of STEM
@redeemedzoomer6053
Жыл бұрын
whoops! I meant the other way around haha
@neuraaquaria
Жыл бұрын
Funny thing is Spirit Science who talks about New Age stuff made a video similar to this but without the Christianity. The problem with the New Age POV is that it neglects the importance of the "lyrics" written in Psalms, the word of God written through the hands of King David and others.
@joshgiguere4700
Жыл бұрын
Good vid. Would have been even better if you had spliced in examples of the different musical concepts you were talking about
@maxxiong
Жыл бұрын
I have a different experience because CCM was what drew me to church initially. CCM is simpler harmonically but that doesn't necessarily make it less beautiful, because beauty is not one dimensional. After all God created plains and hills and valleys and called all of them good. But loud drums can be distracting for sure. I would instead hazard a guess that classical music can sound more sacred because the modern tuning system sounds more out of tune than classical tuning systems in easy keys.
@paulsocie7152
Жыл бұрын
Amen❣️
@hunterrichards2326
10 ай бұрын
“Music is more stem and math is more the arts” -redeemed zoomer, 2023
@trainsupporter9088
Жыл бұрын
Hello brother! Wanted to stop by and thank you for all your great work and service. Great video brother!
@delanchan699
Жыл бұрын
Can we have your Spotify playlist?
@Jaryism
Жыл бұрын
The implications of these transcendentals go right to the mystery of God and existence.
@GregorianLion
8 ай бұрын
Hi Zoomer. I sing in a historic Anglo-Saxon Abbey and used to run my own sacred music choir. I'm glad there is appreciation for traditional church music even in lower worship circles such as yours (I know you are more high church compared to most presbyterians but I come from a high church anglican tradition for comparison). Does your church have a choir and what kind of things to they sing as part of worship? Does your church rely more on contemporary music or homophonic congregational music, rather than more intricate/polyphonic pieces in the catholic/anglican styles? Are you involved in your church's music?
@DruckerYTA
5 ай бұрын
21:38 Viva La Vida convinces me to be a French Revolutionary lol
@pipingpepsi6665
Жыл бұрын
I actually had a question for you relating this topic… what is your opinion on Matt Boswell, Keith and Kristyn Getty, and Matt Papa? These four create music with a strict meter (thereby having the structure of traditional worship music) but the music they create is often set to a contemporary instrumentation…
@pipingpepsi6665
Жыл бұрын
(Also, forgive the four-digit tag at the end of my username; KZitem assigned it to me, and I haven’t bothered to change it…)
@contratoronto5868
Жыл бұрын
2 things: First, I completely agree that modern 'worship' music is entrirely too self centered and experiential and that that is an issue that must be resolved in the Church Second, I would like to see Zoomer play some music that is 'objectively' beautiful and explain why (chord progressions, musical phrasing, structural composition,etc) as well as a piece of music that is objectively not-beautiful and explain why. I agree that most CCM isn't beautiful, but the first time I heard 'King of Kings' I was really impressed by it's beauty, then distraught to find out it's by Hillsong😅
@hiptoalieu
Жыл бұрын
4 BEAUTY IS SUBJECTIVE Because God created humans with the ability to appreciate different aspects of exquisitely crafted things that He created! For instance, which is MORE beautiful, a rose or a root structure? Well we know that they were both created by the Author of Beauty and the Scriptures do say He has made everything beautiful in HIS time, so they are BOTH beautiful, just in completely different ways. Plus perception plays a big role as well, do you look at a rose and see the flowers before the thorns, or the other way around? Or yes a Venus flytrap is gorgeous but because of the predatory nature of that plant, some people would completely overlook it's beauty.
@ecthelion1735
10 ай бұрын
21:40 It's like when I hear Sabaton's "The Last Stand", I want to take up a sword and fight for the Holy See.
@CooperTheGoosebumpsGuy
8 ай бұрын
Amen❤❤🎉🎉😊😊
@Cosmin_TheMusicGuy
Жыл бұрын
Could you suggest any (free) resources that teach music theory in more of a mathematical way and in close relationship to spiritual realities?
@nickcarriero8274
10 ай бұрын
im not sure if you have the prereqs but taking classes in fourier series or signals shows directly how music and math are linked. Im studying electrical engineering and we are learning about convolution and harmonics right now. pretty cool stuff
@louannebvb
6 ай бұрын
I once went to a Lutheran Church. The organist celebrated his birthday in the church, and he and his wife (I think) played this Mendelssohn songs without words piece with piano and cello, and I was so moved by the music that I started playing during it and I became a Mendelssohn fan. Also, I think Bach is overrated.
@JohnJohnson-jr6hp
Жыл бұрын
"Nobody can question whether math is real" or so you say. The secularists have many abilities you might consider unnatural
@huskyspin1007
Жыл бұрын
I'm watching this on the toilet
@SCAM-BUSTER.777
Жыл бұрын
You're a comment is not a Christ-like comment. TOO MUCH INFORMATION.
@neonlove5456
Жыл бұрын
Expel the evil from your body, my brother in Christ
@flameguy3416
Жыл бұрын
Islam has a few words to say about music
@TolkienAnswers
Жыл бұрын
What is your thought of Bible-belt fundamentalists who say that the organ and hymns are the only morally correct expression of music?
@redeemedzoomer6053
Жыл бұрын
Might explain it differently, but I agree with the general sentiment. It's one of the few areas where I actually agree with fundamentalist Baptists
@TolkienAnswers
Жыл бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053I agree there is an objective element on the quality of music (as you discussed in your video) but I don't think I would say music in of itself has a moral element.
@redeemedzoomer6053
Жыл бұрын
@@TolkienAnswers goodness truth and beauty are connected tho. Plato said music is a moral law
@hiptoalieu
Жыл бұрын
Hey, the big secret is out and now we ALL KNOW you like Hans Zimmer... So that's what you should do, compose your OWN worship songs by incorporating as MANY elements from your fav Zimmer scores as you can, while still keeping things SINGABLE (yes contemporary Christian artists do care about that) and not so complicated that the tonal/rhythmic/chordal components distract from the message of the lyrics! But first here are some artists you NEED to check out if you think modern worship music is just "The Big Four" (Bethel/Elevation/Hillsong/Chris Tomlin...but even these mainstream artists are stretching their creativity, in fact Bethel's song By The Grace Of God has 4 verses like a hymn, and even has a similar rhythmic cadence to Amazing Grace!) River Valley Worship Shane & Shane Planet Shakers Church Of The City The Belonging Co For King & Country Citizens Rend Collective Lindy Cofer And The Circuit Riders Brook Ligertwood Brandon Lake Crowder Anne Wilson Tasha Cobbs Leonard
@yourneighbour3309
Жыл бұрын
man i love redeemed zoomer
@israelnoble7614
Жыл бұрын
1:10 “Music is more STEM and mathematics are more the arts”
@Scholscooter_1
Жыл бұрын
very kewl
@pablomarques3684
Жыл бұрын
POV: I have just watched duck donald in the mathmagic land
@protoseargeant
Жыл бұрын
I'm open to the idea of objective beauty, but I'm not convinced that fallen man is capable of fully discerning it, and I think perhaps you have an inflated idea about your own perceptions. I'm skeptical of your claims that medieval classical music is more in keeping with objective beauty than anything contemporary. I feel at the very least that objective beauty should be measured by the context of its genre (ie. is this Christian [insert genre] song more beautiful than its secular contemporaries). I refuse to believe that objective beauty is limited by man-made musical constructs, particularly choice of instrumentation. I also feel the lyrical beauty and sound doctrine of the prose is more important than the melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic beauty of music used for edification. When it comes to music during a worship service at church, I do prefer Hymns, not because I believe them to be more beautiful, but because I find them more suited to a chorus of believers than other options.
@getestar437
Жыл бұрын
I’m Ngl y’all gospel music hit different
@user-em7ig3lk7l
Жыл бұрын
You’re so right and yet you play the viola
@Skibidivm_Latrinae
Жыл бұрын
TWO-SETTER!
@lucasqueiroz23
Жыл бұрын
Hey man, I want to appreciate beautiful stuff. This includes music, paintings, sculptures, etc. Where should I start?
@dearclouds7
11 ай бұрын
Man , im so bad in mathematics, but im a musician, is like a joke 😂 , i always thought that music is spiritual but you just blown my mind, God is amazing and we used music in a very egocentric way , now i want to approach it in a different way 😅 and learn some mathematics and music theory 😂
@yourneighbour3309
Жыл бұрын
playing minecraft and watching redeem👍👍👍
@ajgibson1307
11 ай бұрын
Amen and God bless
@GuuchReborn
Жыл бұрын
if music is so spiritual why don’t u release yours, it’s honestly so good 🙌
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