The only problem is dealers are selling these for double MSRP and nearly triple of what they should be worth.😂
@jasonpitts8395
11 ай бұрын
Dealer greed and the mfr not stipulating that they should sell for MSRP is why you don't see them. You can buy a 2007 GT500 for $35K and peel the paint off that yellow car that none of us can afford anyway. Same for a 2006 GTO. $30K gets you a low mile GTO, LS engine, and money to spare to make upgrades someday. Buy old and make those cars faster / better. If you want a Fox Body 93 Mustang look at the LX convertible. No one wants them so they are plentiful, cheap, has a 5.0, etc. Compare that to the 93 Cobra which is $65K (ridiculous). There are deals on fast sports cars that you can buy with low miles, big engines, and not break the bank. Screw buying new and paying the dealer markups (greed fees) I bought a 2007 GT500 for less than $30K and couldn't be happier.
@paulh6517
11 ай бұрын
@@jasonpitts8395 💯
@fijianraja
11 ай бұрын
Yeah agreed, i was looking forward to purchasing one but the mark-ups are ridiculous. So be it. Now looking forward for Mustang Dark horse. Hopefully no crazy mark-up. But will wait to see these dealers struggle to sell them with high interest rates.
@fortheloveofnoise
11 ай бұрын
@@jpf1978Need to make cars with less than 10k miles unable to mark-up
@RobVarley
10 ай бұрын
I went in to look at the Z and my dealer was begging me to buy it. That’s northern ab.
@Wiggy321
11 ай бұрын
At this point, it's not a supply chain issue. What it looks like is its a dealer mark up issuse. Also, Nissan didn't help itself by equiping the car with crap tires from Bridgestone. Better Bridgestone options could have been used helping the car with a more secure driving feel
@cosmic_gate476
10 ай бұрын
It's definitely a supply chain issue. I'm waiting with no updates since Jan 2022 on my pre order in Canada. It's a factory order with Nissan guaranteed to be fulfilled at MSRP with my name tied to the VIN. Most others here are in the same situation.
@frontier_etc
11 ай бұрын
Scumbag dealers marking this up to $100k doesn't help
@craigquann
11 ай бұрын
It's a phenomenal car. And nissan has come out with some great options lately... problem is they really let the brand slide over the years and it will take time to rebuild that reputation.
@NWI_Steel
11 ай бұрын
Agreed. It is sad what has become of Nissan. I loved 90s and 00s Nissan
@a36538
11 ай бұрын
It looks nice, but the beauty is only skin deep. A used 370 is better, or a new bmw Supra
@2seep
11 ай бұрын
@@a36538this Nissan z is far better than the 370z. It can get 800whp and 600lbft of torque on stock block with vrx70 turbos.
@anydaynow01
10 ай бұрын
@@a36538 It has an improved chassis and a twin turbo engine over the 370z, much better starting point, it's kind of like how the GT-R was incrementally improved from the R32 to R34, Nobody says they want a R33 over an R34. The Zupra is nice for the price though since they offer it with a BMW stick shift now.
@gaivoron
11 ай бұрын
It's not under rated just overpriced.
@fortheloveofnoise
11 ай бұрын
@@allentoyokawa9068ok send me the money then
@2seep
11 ай бұрын
@@allentoyokawa9068hella overpriced. These dealers charge 20k markups. 40k for the base z is an amazing deal.
@anydaynow01
10 ай бұрын
@@allentoyokawa9068 I think he's talking about the markups
@fscottgray9784
11 ай бұрын
Case does a great job on reviews. He is much less negative than Nathan and more knowledgrable than Tommy. He is a real car guy.
@bhbdvm1821
11 ай бұрын
I'd have to agree. I looked hard at this car when it initially came out. I was excited about all the above, emotion attachment from when i was in college, and manual transmission. What was a big turn off were the dealer(s). They were asking &70,000 to $80,000. I haven't been a Nissan customer in the past and this was not the way to lure a potential buyer in my opinion. There were other new models out from different makers but they were not price gouging. I ended up buying a BMW M240i X-drive for $56,000 with most available options.
@bullittboost6046
11 ай бұрын
I haven’t seen one on the road in my area. About four local dealerships have at least one in stock. Problem I see is the 10 to 15k over sticker price. I will never pay over MRSP for a vehicle, if the trend continues I just will not buy anymore vehicles.
@BYLRPhil
11 ай бұрын
Blame the dealer markups.
@DuaneCaldwell
11 ай бұрын
Case, I always enjoy your review videos. You've got a confidence and comfort balanced by enthusiasm that makes the videos fun to watch. I've always loved Nissan's (and Datsun's) Z cars, with the possible exception of the 300Z that Roman is so fond of. As a kid, I lusted after the 240 and 260, and I appreciated the 280. As an adult, I lusted after the 350 and 370, but as a Dad, I needed four doors, so I bought a 4-door Infiniti G35 that shared the power train. The G35 was my favorite car of all the cars I've owned until I bought my 2020 JCW Countryman, but that's another story. This new Z is intriguing, but the dealer markups are as nauseating as those the American truck dealers are bludgeoning customers with. That alone has to be holding back this car.
@charlienevergold3654
11 ай бұрын
I was looking forward to purchasing one but once I found out that it was just a new body on a 370 and no dual clutch transmission option I was out. That and the dealer putting a $10k markup.
@fortheloveofnoise
11 ай бұрын
lol buy a manual or just buy an EV 😂
@charlienevergold3654
11 ай бұрын
@@fortheloveofnoise manuals are fun and all but for an everyday driver shifting gets old. Plus a DSG is just faster at it.
@davidjernigan7576
11 ай бұрын
Haven't seen any for sale at local dealers here in NE Tennessee. Can't sell what they don't have
@alabama2uz
11 ай бұрын
I saw a blue one the other day. First one ive seen in the wild. beautiful car in person.
@codysmith9813
11 ай бұрын
Saw a purple one on the interstate, a young girl was driving it. Very nice looking car indeed.
@markcoopers1930
11 ай бұрын
Still haven't seen one in person. I heard a dealership nearby had one but when we called it had been traded to another dealership for a bunch of armadas
@killermed95
11 ай бұрын
STOP GIVING THE DEALERSHIP POWER OF THE PRICE OF THE VEHICLES! I use to BE a car salesman and nothing made me more angry than when my sales manager would either tack on to the sales price or play with the numbers so the backside of the deal ripped the customer off to make the dealership more money. Or do what I would consider ethically not ok to put a loan through and not come down on the price.
@drgopta2180
11 ай бұрын
woah yeah, I never see these on the road.
@revampted
11 ай бұрын
its the dealers putting a "Market Price" on them that why you don't see them
@rvboyett
11 ай бұрын
We don't see a lot of them because there are VERY few for sale. Here in the Denver/Boulder area we only have ONE for sale. Nissan just isn't building very many of them IMO. Auto Trader shows only 6 new ones available nationwide.
@bradleysargent9803
11 ай бұрын
I read they are having a problem with the new paint process for this car. That has slowed down the number rolling out. I haven't seen one on the road yet. However, I haven't seen the Toyota Supra on the road either.
@smittysmitty481
11 ай бұрын
My neighbor has a black one & it’s dope! They love it.
@josea5949
11 ай бұрын
Nice car. Brings me back to the days of Datsun's 240Z and 280Z. Refuse to pay double or triple dealer mark up!
@thomasbenefield3527
11 ай бұрын
Such a cool car I never see on the road either. It was cool knowing the roads you are driving! I live in Hiawassee, just north of Helen. Too bad you couldn’t take it over Blood mountain or Richard Russell scenic highway!
@treads2595
11 ай бұрын
I have never seen one of these on the road. Do dealers even have these or are they marking them up to the point where no one is buying them?
@bmwpete65s55
11 ай бұрын
Saw a yellow one at C&C last month. By itself it's not a bad looking car but it was parked next to a 90's 300ZX. The cowl and belt line are ridiculously high and it looks bloated in comparison. I'm sure it's fast but I would take a nice 300 all day over a new 400.
@palebeachbum
11 ай бұрын
I don't think I've seen one on the road yet. A shame because it's an awesome car and it looks fantastic.
@empower4you972
10 ай бұрын
The car looks much better in person. Nissan did a good job of adding modern things while staying true to its heritage. Do we need a brand new platform? I know my 2009 370z is bullet proof. And while its aged well, it was time for a make over. Anything more isn't really needed. The power and thrill is all there with a flick of the foot...lol.
@shitloveaduck
11 ай бұрын
From the front it’s awesome!! Look at the 240Z cars out there, many were slightly modified to this look. It’s where you were filming about unusually sharp angles,,, that’s soo nice!! Nissan does make a great sounding V6, similar to the 370Z, Infinity Coupe,,,,. The unfortunate part is that the old 370Z/350Z lines around the roofline and exterior of the cockpit shows through. It’s surprising, but a few are on the lots at Nissan dealers in Alberta, Canada. They are expensive. The Nissan dealers over value their products as well. I would consider one as they start around $54,500 Canadian!! Better than a similar Mustang GT, roughly,,,. I like em, don’t quite want to pay the full price,,,.
@kerrybeth1
11 ай бұрын
They had one on the lot in Fairbanks, Alaska, surprisingly.
@jonahjett278
11 ай бұрын
It's very unfortunate how many I saw quickly googling that were owned by one person for maybe a few months before they flip them. Most aren't even driven. Such a shame.
@davidmcelfresh3024
11 ай бұрын
The styling is a slight miss. Not enough retro and the nod to the early 90’s tail end is the biggest miss. That said, I like it but my son and wife do not.
@grahamstefaan
11 ай бұрын
Exactly. It's a product of being stuck to 370z hard points. Looks awkward proportions.
@hartsickdisciple
3 ай бұрын
I have a 2024 Z and love it. This is my 5th Z car overall. I wouldn't have paid the $55-57k MSRP they're asking for the performance trim new. I bought mine for $49k with 6000 miles on it. I live in the Austin, TX area and have only seen 2 or 3 on the road. I like the fact that it's fairly uncommon.
@grahamstefaan
11 ай бұрын
A warmed over 370Z refresh for 50k in a world where economy is shaky and mortgages are 7.5% plus..huh, I wonder why a 2 seat car isn't selling.
@PortersGarage
11 ай бұрын
Dealer mark up and having to spend $10k above base just to get limited slip is a problem.
@sengsythao1896
11 ай бұрын
There is one black Nissan Z with just over 1.1k miles at a mitsubishi dealership where im at, and I'm thinking what did this person trade his Z performance for at a mitsubishi dealership!? Outlander? Or a Mirage!? 😂.
@fortheloveofnoise
11 ай бұрын
dealer probably bought it at an auction as a repo
@jnagime
11 ай бұрын
Dealers are killing the car sales with markups,now everyone wants to sell cars like Ferrari and Lamborghinis.1,2 per week.
@Stuka87
11 ай бұрын
The issue is that its over priced for being an updated 370z (They literally share many of the exact same part numbers). Nissan decided to charge way more money for a refresh body and a different engine. Plenty of things I like about it. But for its money, I would be hard pressed to get this over something with more power and better handling.
@AircraftMechanic-AP
11 ай бұрын
Oil pressure at idle seemed really low. Maybe that’s normal for that engine?
@cleonmain1291
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, I'm lucky to have a 2018 370Z which is my pride and joy. That said I've seen only 2 of the new Z here in the upper Midwest a very uncommon car. The bulk of both previous and currant Z production being sold in more southern areas. I'm not sure why Nissan markets their sports cars this way perhaps because of low availability.
@MrSwat55
10 ай бұрын
I find it funny that the start button on the Z is in the same place as the 20/21 frontier and it was "weird" in the truck but totally normal for a car.
@empower4you972
10 ай бұрын
There was a problem with a newly installed paint system in Japan. It has held up the supply and caused price increases.
@richfarfugnuven6308
11 ай бұрын
The other problem(besides dealer mark-ups) are Nissan reliability...
@ThomasMercury91
11 ай бұрын
Kase always does the best reviews!
@G_de_Coligny
11 ай бұрын
Must admit haven’t seen any in my japanese countryside either. Same price as the base Renault Alpine A110… and plenty of those…
@mackfrank840
11 ай бұрын
The new A110 is a lot better looking than the Z in my opinion. I'm a nissan fan boy and own a 22 frontier. So that's saying a lot.
@JK12518
11 ай бұрын
@@mackfrank840 I live in Japan too. Seen the new Z in Okinawa and Fukuoka. They have at Nissan Global HQ in Yokohama on display and Ginza. I want the Alpine A110 but my wife won't let me get it because she thinks its ugly.
@fortheloveofnoise
11 ай бұрын
@@mackfrank840A110 is automatic only, which should be illegal (hate how it says edited if I literally only change 1 letter)
@daylatedrift
11 ай бұрын
It's Nissans marketing. The new z changed way more even though it's still a 350z than Ford changed with the "all new" mustang. Look at Mopar, running the same mid 90s Mercedes chassis and yet their marketing team is selling hellcat swapped EVERYTHING like hotcakes to fat people.
@dereks66
11 ай бұрын
Great review! Really good insight on the Z! I still haven't seen one on the street yet!
@eldonengleman2460
10 ай бұрын
I really love this car, I just don't think the bang for buck is there, even at MSRP. To me, you can get a lot more with something like a Camaro LT1 which has a V8 with more horsepower, and a starting price around $40,000. It's a shame the Camaro is going away after 2024.
@Offshore1977
11 ай бұрын
I love this Nissan Z. Also, why is TFL not talking about the Nissan Frontier Hardbody?
@petermavus4131
11 ай бұрын
My dealer while purchasing my Roque ( $350 under dealer invoice and 0% financing) was getting one in soon in wolf gray and smiled about the price.
@darrendaine4914
11 ай бұрын
I had to turn the volume down and just watch it My dog kept running in the room every time you heard the whistling
@robseymour2782
11 ай бұрын
they are not selling it because they all marked up. Dealerships are killing the car and the brand.
@AliasHSW
6 ай бұрын
I have yet seen one in the wild - and I in a major metropolitan area with a big car culture
@loki_wolff
11 ай бұрын
I want one but it's way overpriced. When I look at the interior I see a ton of parts from my 370. And then there's dealer markups
@Kenjis9965
11 ай бұрын
I love it but feel the packages are kinda screwy. If you want one with any options you basically have to go to the 50k trim (just for say, heated seats) which kind of sucks.
@videomaniac108
5 ай бұрын
It isn't just the ridiculously high dealer markups that are killing sales of this car. Its predecessor, the 370Z, was a better looking car that was significantly cheaper and nearly 200 lbs lighter, important in a sports car. With a few minor bolt on up grades and a good tune you can get close to 400 crankshaft horsepower in a 370Z and coupled with the lighter weight have a better performing car. Nissan should have just incrementally improved the 370Z that was already an excellent sports car and a great value and priced it accordingly.
@snowmobiesnowman
11 ай бұрын
The three dash gauges are a call back to the first 300zx.
@tomc8854
11 ай бұрын
Nice but I think what hurts this car is the fact that this isn’t a whole new Z , more like a major refresh of the 370 which was old itself.
@Tony78432
11 ай бұрын
Initially I was gonna trade in my 2018 370Z for one of these but they’re way too expensive for what they are at the moment. And my Z is paid off so no dice for me. They’re nice, but I love my 370Z I would like to test drive a new Z though
@jacksonbarinowski3966
10 ай бұрын
I don't want this car to be a flop, nor do I think it is (the car itself). But given the production setbacks and the asinine dealer markups, I get why we never see them. It seems like a solid car, but its teething stages are just not going too well. Hopefully things will improve soon.
@EmperorEdwardXIII
11 ай бұрын
at least in detroit its barely available and when you find it has at least 1500 "market adjustmen" I don't want even pay MSRP for a Nissan.
@codysmith9813
11 ай бұрын
$1500 is a cheap adjustment my Knoxville TN dealer sold 2 already for $10k over.
@fortheloveofnoise
11 ай бұрын
@@codysmith9813I wouldn't buy it 20k under msrp
@codysmith9813
11 ай бұрын
@@fortheloveofnoise lol agreed, I did not buy one
@242HP
11 ай бұрын
Actually, I just saw one today in dark grey, but I admit that I rarely see them here in Utah. I imagine the same is true in Colorado where you guys are because so many people in both places are driving 4x4 pickups and SUVs, and much fewer choose sports cars (probably due to the long winters in CO and UT). Unless you can afford to have a Z as your second car, it's not really practical to drive year round in a place that gets a lot of snow.
@fortheloveofnoise
11 ай бұрын
we get basically no snow here in Alabama 😂
@242HP
10 ай бұрын
@@fortheloveofnoise I mentioned Colorado because I know that's where the TFL channel is based; IDK where this guy in the video is from.
@ned8249
11 ай бұрын
I have yet to see one on the road. I see almost every new car in the aiken-Augusta area but not one Z. I at first wanted one but the reviews I watched did not seem very excited about the new Z.
@saop94
11 ай бұрын
In Mexico I've seen many ads of different dealerships with immediate delivery and MSRP, in this case i think is the price costs the same as the new mustang gt and almost the same as the supra I6, faster and better cars
@Kenneth_R
11 ай бұрын
Rather get the readily available BMW Supra at a similar price.
@kenyongillespie8652
11 ай бұрын
Great video!
@davidrudd9846
11 ай бұрын
Flop not a 100k car
@ned8249
11 ай бұрын
I don’t know if I believe what Nissan is saying. I haven’t seen one. I’ve seen lucid airs, McLarens, the new electric hummer even.
@BarryMDHo
10 ай бұрын
Owned 240z, 370z, GTR ('15), and very disappointed in the new Z. Built on old chassis, interior and exterior far too redundant, blah performance, and high price. Flop!
@thomasburns3345
Ай бұрын
It exists in the world with the Supra and is strictly worse by all objective measures (including average price), and also largely considered a worse car subjectively as well. You have to do something better than your competition to have a chance at success. Instead it’s an upgraded 350z (seriously, underneath it is) with a VR30 swap and new body panels. Call my shocked that people don’t want to pay MSRP for it, let alone the market adjusted rates.
@DanielDaniel1
11 ай бұрын
This car has been out for a long time and I’ve not seen a single one out there and my work is driving through a wealthy city all day. Normally I see the hottest cars on the market on the road within days of them being available. Very interesting
@mikewatch1487
9 ай бұрын
I drove a 2024 Nismo. Such a disappointment on how it up shifts in sports + mode. Way slow on shifts and still has heat soak at the track or country road. It felt like a cheap old mustang. Old school because the chassis is old and dated. No thanks MSRP at $70K not including taxes. If it weren’t for the C8 , Supra and mustang. it might have had a better chance. The Jaguar F Type is on its way out. Which is a much better engineered car.
@philipparana9225
11 ай бұрын
Production numbers to date including press cars: 2022 262 2023. 966 Nissan isnt building them
@danzutell4390
10 ай бұрын
I'm here in North Florida, and haven't seen one yet.... It's crazy because they've been out for a while. Definitely see the BS reason....damn mark up!!😱🤬
@codysmith9813
11 ай бұрын
My dealer sold 2 it had (a raspberry and blue car) for $10k over and they sold very quickly.
@fortheloveofnoise
11 ай бұрын
only an idiot or someone with money to burn would pay 10k over MSRP
@robseymour2782
11 ай бұрын
stop buying ads
@bonusb2924
11 ай бұрын
The numbers from this engine are anemic, especially in 2023…is it so fragile they couldn’t warranty it at 450hp/425tq?
@HAHA.GoodMeme
11 ай бұрын
Nissan thrashed their reputation after 2008. Cost cutting everything at the expense of quality. No reason to get this when you can get a Supra for under MSRP.
@dnice362
11 ай бұрын
And the other problem with this is the Supra.
@tri3pleagent
11 ай бұрын
Never seen one on the road. If the markups are that bad that no one is buying this thing, Nissan is in trouble.
@zuesmondo1
11 ай бұрын
Love z's
@reserva120
11 ай бұрын
Dealers got to go!!..
@patcurrie9888
8 ай бұрын
Total flop as Nissan F'd up production. The new Z has the potential to be as plentiful as the 2005-2008 Mustang on every intersection
@jharris280zx
11 ай бұрын
Where is the convertible model?
@macbook802
11 ай бұрын
Yellow is never a hero color.
@manoloorz
11 ай бұрын
i would buy this in a heart beat against a mustang, i would shortlist it against an M2 and i would consider it against a supra.
@MrWaltercronkite
10 ай бұрын
Just say total flop, we will understand. Make whatever excuses you want, doesn't change a thing. Haha, at the end of your video, you suggested if anyone was interested, they should go drive one. How???
@soapa4279
10 ай бұрын
Dealers made sure it's a flop
@EffDinero8
11 ай бұрын
They're riding around in N.Y. y'all gotta get out of Colorado more...
@sleepwalker29
10 ай бұрын
Flop! I own a Z32 and a new 3700 pound Z34 is like driving a 400hp Z32 with a 300 pound fat chick as a passenger. The wheels and tires are too skinny. A 450hp Dodge Viper came with 13' wide rims and this Z has 10' wide rears. Another failure. The $6000 stereo is a $100 Ebay deck with 480p screen and I believe it mirrors GPS from a phone and don't have a stand alone GPS built in. No spare tire. Bad paint. And the VQ30 engine overheats in the Infinti Q60. Front of the car looks like a catfish.
@mm8436
11 ай бұрын
The sports car you never "Z"
@carsnbrownies
9 ай бұрын
Under produced. Nissan only produced only 560 units this past year Can't keep up with demand. And these are only built in japan along with the gt-r. Unlike the rest of their models which are built in mexico. That's why it's easier for Nissan to push their other models, as they can produce more of those in other factories.
@manoloorz
11 ай бұрын
Nice
@AircraftMechanic-AP
11 ай бұрын
It’s a great car. Nissan hasn’t hardly built any. That’s why you never see them.
@apegues
11 ай бұрын
Price and Quality, Nissan-Renault’s quality is crap… No Thanks, I’ll take a new Supra
@bd9057
11 ай бұрын
Not underrated. The cars a hunk of junk for the price they want. And the dealer markups make it even worse.
@woody82901
11 ай бұрын
For a freshened up 370 they are grossly overpriced. Just under 40 to 45 for a decked out one would be more reasonable, and they would sell all day long. Then add the dealer markup and no one wants them over other options. Same mistake trucks are making. 60K for a decent truck and people will just stop buying them.
@mikeeaton9822
11 ай бұрын
It's does look good
@kjss4345
11 ай бұрын
The old 240z is so much better looking, thus is like a cheap knockoff
@edfrias9106
11 ай бұрын
Over priced, not at all modern styling and way over weight. Nissan just doesn't learn from the past! I've own many Z cars, Supras, Corvettes and now a Lotus, Nissan may have their dedicated followers but they just don't know how to make an exciting sports car!
@robervin9107
11 ай бұрын
🅰️kase love ya so proud
@roycervantes1341
11 ай бұрын
Yeee,😃
@gabe5476
10 ай бұрын
The car needed to be about 10k cheaper for what it is. Manual seats and a crappy Nissan interior. Not worth it at all
@hartsickdisciple
3 ай бұрын
I think the interior is pretty nice. I owned a 2017 BMW M240i, and now own a 2024 Z. I think the Z interior is better in a lot of ways.
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