Planning for high speed rail is a core industry in Australia.
@daskurka
3 жыл бұрын
So true.
@Cheesecake99YearsAgo
3 жыл бұрын
The "Planning Part" is a core industry in Australia
@lukat7052
3 жыл бұрын
hahahaha
@magical_catgirl
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cheesecake99YearsAgo Only the "feasibility study" section of the planning part.
@416to613
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Canada......
@timor64
3 жыл бұрын
Qantas curates a list of the most influential people in Australia, who are invited to a complimentary membership of "The Chairman's Lounge". This lounge is by invitation only. These very same decision makers are the ones who decide on how "viable" high-speed rail is.
@EchoBravo370
Жыл бұрын
The country would be better off doing HSR just for the regional development it would bring, which is gold. And subsidise Qantas if necessary.
@ash-ok6dr
Ай бұрын
@@EchoBravo370 qantas could also be the ones to have a monopoly on HSR in Australia, like Virgins HSR in Florida (I think, maybe its cali)
@Killerqueen69420
Жыл бұрын
As an Australian, I wholeheartedly support high speed rail no-matter the cost.
@polelot5824
3 жыл бұрын
There is an Australian comedy show called 'Utopia' that is shockingly accurate to the feel of working in the public sector. In one episode (S1E3) someone proposes a very fast train and it absolutely nails what it's like trying to make it work, even though it's doomed to fail. It pains every public servant how accurate that show is.
@fosnez
3 жыл бұрын
I had to turn it off after 5 minutes. Too real.
@froggy0162
3 жыл бұрын
Should be included in the starter pack for all new public service employees. Funniest documentary on tv ;)
@clabood
3 жыл бұрын
First thing I through of when this popped up haha.
@tristankeech4070
3 жыл бұрын
The show pretty much isn’t even fictional. There is are points when it might as well just be a documentary
@klubcj
3 жыл бұрын
Why don’t Australia get China to build it, cheaper, faster and the truth is, it’s good quality. Many Australian disagree, but it has been proven in China 😂 oops of course Australian pride. Not to work with China. Alright get America for help then, oh they have no idea about a high-speed rail. They got none.
@bernardtaylor7768
3 жыл бұрын
High speed rail in Australia is only talked about during elections and suddenly disappears afterwards
@andrew_koala2974
3 жыл бұрын
This is standard procedure. Make proposals - Recommendations - Promises before elections and forget about them a week after the elections. Politicians should sign a performance contract with the people, and should they be in breach of contract because of their deceit then it's off to prison for 4 years and banned from public office for life.
@ronclark9724
3 жыл бұрын
@@andrew_koala2974 It is called gas lighting your electorate... Promise anything, deliver nothing...
@nicolascrosbie7875
3 жыл бұрын
@Amin Yashed let’s see how North Korea is doing
@guyclk
3 жыл бұрын
Basically the plot line of most of the episodes on the Utopia TV Series @polelot mentions in the above comment.
@jackmccall4385
3 жыл бұрын
Amin Yashed umm I’d take current Australia over a totalitarian dictatorship any day of the week. Dictators do weird sh!t once they reach that level of power and no one can do a thing about it.
@KyrilPG
3 жыл бұрын
3 hours including trip to/from the airport? That seems a little tight. Anyway, the distance between Melbourne Sydney and Sydney Brisbane is approximately the distance between Paris and Marseille. The TGV completely crushed the air shuttle between those cities as it runs just under 3h. And I can tell you tracks to get out of Paris center are much more saturated than any line in Australia. But they managed to make it work and trains already run as fast as 160km/h before entering the 320km/h HSR. When there's will...
@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns
3 жыл бұрын
3:22 An interesting aside: It's the busiest air route _that is entirely overland._ If Seoul Jeju was entirely overland, South Korea would've built a high speed rail already.
@KGopidas
3 жыл бұрын
Out of place and context, though spoken truthfully
@steveding2006
3 жыл бұрын
Chinese: just build a fuckin bridge.
@RoyMcAvoy
2 жыл бұрын
@@steveding2006 Too bad Jeju is under UNESCO world heritage site so a bridge is out of question
@navyseal1689
2 жыл бұрын
@@RoyMcAvoy Chinese doesn't give a fuck about UNESCO
@sheriff0017
2 жыл бұрын
South Korea squeezes twice Australia's population into a landmass the size of Tasmania.
@WingsOTWorld
3 жыл бұрын
Considering the amount spent on studies, they could probably have had the line between Sydney and Canberra built already XD
@timnicholls19
3 жыл бұрын
Probably have one from Melbourne to Cairns and another from Melbourne to perth
@dxer22000
3 жыл бұрын
knowing our government, they'd bring in the Chinese to build it.......
@dxer22000
3 жыл бұрын
are you sure.....
@mattbell1907
3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone who isn't a politician actually go to Canberra from Sydney?
@hlewis5217
3 жыл бұрын
LOL IFKR??!?!?? this country is so damn backwards!
@lexx555
3 жыл бұрын
There needs to be a feasibility study on the need for any more feasibility studies on high speed rail in Australia
@dxer22000
3 жыл бұрын
ahhh....that's the Australian way!! but but you forgot the feasibility studies on the impact on the trans Australian snail...
@klubcj
3 жыл бұрын
Apparently it’s will take Australia 100 years to study it. It will get ready by 2121.
@trainstrains1
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure that's really feasible. Let me study it for a while.
@wuhui
3 жыл бұрын
What abput the feasibility studies on that
@Sheriffdann
Жыл бұрын
It's Nation Building!
@FOLIPE
3 жыл бұрын
Well, we also have a non-existent high speed rail line in Brazil. More than one, actually.
@RailwaysExplained
3 жыл бұрын
haha, good one!
@hull4bal00
3 жыл бұрын
Well, not every dreams comes true 🤣 But don't ever stop dreaming, maybe one day it's become reality
@daveharrison84
3 жыл бұрын
Brazil, just like Australia, has most of its major cities in a line which should make it easier to build high speed rail.
@j.s.7335
3 жыл бұрын
From that chart in the video, it seems like you really need a high speed Rio to São Paulo line. Not sure how feasible that would be; I don't know how much uphill a train can go, and I believe the terrain is pretty rough?
@matpk
3 жыл бұрын
@@RailwaysExplained Just get China to Build it, and then don’t pay!
@mrtheman548
3 жыл бұрын
HSR should be considered as more of a decentralisation initiative. Australia's population expected to double in 30 years and most of that will go to the capital cities putting increased pressure on them. Enticing population into the regional interior would help to ease growth whilst also giving people easier access to the capitals for work and such
@kevinwilliam2356
3 жыл бұрын
Apparently, studies and initiative aren't the key to success
@saumyacow4435
3 жыл бұрын
Especially if they keep repeating the same mistake. Treating HSR as a premium fared replacement for intercapital air travel. Rather than as the top tier in a high performance public transport network.
@Peizxcv
3 жыл бұрын
All anglophone countries hate high speed rail For some reason. It’s quite easy to see the additional benefits out-weights the cost
@daveharrison84
3 жыл бұрын
Another important factor to consider is the economic growth it encourages everywhere a train station gets built. They said ticket sales won't bring in enough money to pay for the cost of building it, but there is a lot more economic benefit than ticket sales. People who live near train stations will be on land that is more valuable and they will be able to do business faster and that translates to more tax revenue, as well as other positive benefits. It also increases tourism because more people will travel to Australia if you make it easier for them to get from city to city.
@ronclark9724
3 жыл бұрын
The same applies to airports and highways... Railroads don't have a monopoly on economic development...
@akltom
3 жыл бұрын
unless the government own and operate the rail, but that's communist thing, australians don't like it.
@edwardbarnett6571
3 жыл бұрын
I believe if Japanese maglev is built Parrahub/Canberra people will come from all over the world to experience it although it must be built to an international standard.
@jeffreyoneill4082
3 жыл бұрын
The problem is every station you add, significantly slows the train more and more.
@jonathanodude6660
Жыл бұрын
@@ronclark9724 nope, you cant build too close to airports and there are noise complaints from residents that can limit the size of the airport as well. highways are often regarded to decrease property value because they are awful to be near. we build walls to protect communities from them. railroads dont have nearly the same noise or traffic issues and you can literally build commercial properties directly above them, with residential completely surrounding them. its on a whole other level.
@klm2639
3 жыл бұрын
Give the contract to the Chinese and you'll be riding your trains the next day
@alancharlton7892
3 жыл бұрын
@KLM: Not the next day but considering how bad the Indonesian Railways were & that the only way Joko Widodo could finance what I proposed to him early in 2014, was to accept Chinese Capital Investment. By 2023, Indonesia will have a VFT going between Jakarta & Bandung & have started the extention to Surabaya. They are also now manufacturing their own light rail, metro rail & container rolling stock, which they also export to Australia, Pilipinas, Malaysia & Thailand. Most of their new diesel locomotives are from the USA, with others from Switzerland & are developing their own, of which some prototypes have been put into service.
@eddielong8663
3 жыл бұрын
Might as well at this point. Australia is already a slave to Chinese special interests groups so we don't exactly have much pride to lose anymore, do we?
@theolich4384
3 жыл бұрын
@@eddielong8663 If only pride can bring forth a high speed rail line within the next decade...meanwhile Morrison is set to spend an extra $270 billion to "boost national defense". And pride I suppose. Australia is beginning to sound like the Soviet Union.
@ecowanderer6099
3 жыл бұрын
But Australia and China relationship is very bad at the moment and won't likely improve under the current government in Australia.
@Spino2Earth
3 жыл бұрын
Or they could ask Japan to help?
@daveharrison84
3 жыл бұрын
I did some playing around on Google Earth and I came up with this route. Rockhampton - Gladstone - Bundaberg - Maryborough - Sunshine Coast - Brisbane - Gold Coast - Coffs Harbor - Port Macquarie - Newcastle - Sydney - Wollongong - Canberra - Albury - Melbourne - Horsham - Adelaide Many of these aren't big cities but building train stations will encourage economic growth there.
@mastertrams
3 жыл бұрын
That reminds me of an article I read yesterday, which stated that the reason why the LGV Sud (between Paris, Lyon and Marseille) is as successful as it is isn't because it connects the major cities, but rather because ontop of serving the major cities, the number of minor cities it serves is astounding. This would also explain why it is fruitless to compare any American High speed rail project because none of those connect so many smaller urban areas (mainly because in America, to be a city you need 1 million pop, whereas in Europe, you maybe need 250,000 pop)
@charlesharper2357
3 жыл бұрын
Queensland and NSW have different railway gauges.
@jlp27089
3 жыл бұрын
@@charlesharper2357 The did until 1930, Its all standardised now.
@@jlp27089 the standard gauge only reaches Brisbane. The rest of the Queensland network is narrow gauge.
@ilaibavati6941
3 жыл бұрын
We're alway's lagging behind in Australia, when it comes to infrastructure. The government (at all levels) spends millions on small and less essential projects and drags its feet when it comes to any major infrastructural overhaul. By the time they finally do make a move, such as with the NBN, they implement it over a ridiculously slow timeframe and go billions over budget.
@illiiilli24601
Жыл бұрын
With the NBN, the speed of the FTTP rollout was increasing exponentially in 2013, and would've been finished quicker than it was if it was given the chance. The slow speed of the initial rollout was because we needed to relearn how to roll out communications infrastructure.
@gkid64
3 жыл бұрын
Basically our government would rather spend a small amount of money to say why they don't want to spend money
@98luk45
3 жыл бұрын
"small amount" lol.
@BigBlueMan118
Жыл бұрын
There are some pretty significant sections of the current Melbourne-Sydney alignment that could be upgraded and curves straightened relatively easily and could be used in future by 200kmh+ trains when there genuinely is the will to do it. For the Brisbane-Newcastle corridor I think the only viable way is to upgrade the current alignment to cut it down byan hour or two, and then connect it at both ends with the Gold Coast and Newcastle fast rail projects then run it as a night train, you'll never be able to cut it down to a high speed service with competitive journey times to air.
@kenoliver8913
11 ай бұрын
Yes. In general in Australia there is a much better case for upgrading intercity lines to somewhat-faster-than-at-present than for true HSR. But that does not get people excited.
@saumyacow4435
3 жыл бұрын
Speaking as an Australian with extensive experience in high speed rail, I'd like to point out that the reason why we don't have HSR in Australia is the persistent belief that HSR must be a premium fared alternative to intercapital air travel. It has been pointed out by HSR detractors here in Australia (and this has some merit) that you don't go and spend tens of billions of dollars on simply replacing one mode of travel with another - especially when the end result is roughly the same in terms of time of travel. You don't add much value doing that. The best use for HSR in Australia is in replacing car travel over relatively short distances. This is where the overwhelming majority of trips actually occur. For example, the total air travel market between Sydney and Melbourne is roughly 10 million (one way) trips per year. This compares to well over 30 million trips by car between north of the Hawkesbury River (Newcastle, Lower Hunter and Central Coast) and south of the Hawkesbury River (Sydney basin). In addition, there are roughly 11 million trips made by conventional rail over the River - nearly all of which would transfer to a properly designed and well interfaced HSR line. In addition, there are over 30 million trips by car between Wollongong and the Sydney basin. Its a similar story between Brisbane and the Gold Coast where there are tens of millions of trips by passenger vehicle each year and that is due to double before 2060. In these congested transport corridors is the biggest single (and most easily related) reason for building HSR in Australia. Its the cost of not building HSR. Its the tens of billions of dollars we will almost certainly spend augmenting and duplicating existing motorways. Obviating the future cost of roads (capital and otherwise) is not the only good reason for building HSR in Australia (at least in these corridors) but it renders the issue almost a no-brainer. HSR is essentially the highway of the future. It moves many times more people, a lot faster than a similar bucket of money poured into road pavement. It will improve the lives of millions of ordinary people, doing everyday things (not just accessing work). We are talking about better access to services such as education and health care and a wider choice of retail, entertainment, leisure and tourism. And most importantly its about being more socially connected. Having a wider circle of friends and associates. Where HSR matters most economically is where it makes new things possible. Where you're not just replacing a 3 hour trip with another 3 hour trip. Rather your turning a 3 hour trip (Newcastle to Sydney) into a 1 hour trip. And its not just about inter-city travel. A properly designed HSR network could also transform intra-city journeys. For example, 20 minutes from Campbelltown (Sydney's south) to the CBD - instead of the current 1 hour trip. Or 15 minutes from Hornsby instead of 45 minutes. Or 11 minutes from Paramatta to the Sydney CBD, thus transforming the corridor into an extended CBD. And imagine Gosford being 30 minutes from Parramatta or the Sydney CBD. Imagine the boost to the Central Coast's tourism, retail and entertainment sectors that would come from Sydney residents. All of this makes sense. Sydney to Melbourne doesn't. At least, not until we have built shorter intercity and regional sectors and then work from there. That's precisely how the conventional rail network came into being. The whole Sydney to Melbourne paradigm has simply resulted in sticker shock and its not where the technology delivers the greatest social and economic benefit. Its also led to the disaster that was the 2013 Phase 2 HSR Study. The one that effectively bypassed cities such as Newcastle and Wollongong - because its authors were obsessed with competing with intercapital aviation. We can do a lot better. We can have HSR that provides direct access to the city centres of Newcastle, Gosford and Wollongong. That has multiple points of interchange with the conventional rail network (reinforcing that network). And one that is focused on volume of use - which is what amplifies the social and economic benefit. We can also improve the rail network within Sydney, linking the CBD, Parramatta, Hornsby and Campbelltown (with the option to also run faster rail to Penrith) Burn the paradigm. Think outside the box.
@joachimlai1332
3 жыл бұрын
Agree. Well said. If a HSR does not compete with air travel, it is more likely to have support and more likely to be built.
@edwardbarnett6571
3 жыл бұрын
As maglev is the future, and I cannot see Newcastle/Sydney going that way Parrahub/Canberra could be stage one of Sydney/Melbourne Japanese maglev. It all depends if we want to create a huge Sydney or if we want to decentralise Parrahub, Canberra, Albury to Melbourne. None of us have a crystal ball on cost of air travel with fuel and green tax where maglev would not increase.
@sc5252
3 жыл бұрын
Happy proposing, planning, studying, debating for another 8 years at least up to next decade!
@WhiskeyFatimah
3 жыл бұрын
It's like in many mining co, projects are dying through a process called death by thousand studies.
@bernardtaylor7768
3 жыл бұрын
Your forgetting companies putting their name on the project just to make their share prises increase and then pull out
@atholmullen
3 жыл бұрын
The real problem is that they keep concentrating on the very long routes, that are too expensive to build, and ignoring the higher usage shorter corridors. For example, the time taken to travel from Newcastle to Sydney by electric train today is about the same as it was by steam train in the 1930s, and there is generally only one "express" train per hour. In the meantime, motorways have been built and upgraded, and motor vehicles have improved, reducing the travel time by car to significantly less than by train.
@redpandaz5146
3 жыл бұрын
My take-away from this video is that so many people only look at direct economic benefit of HSR, and not the indirect economic benefit.
@erwinlee2842
3 жыл бұрын
As long the government doesn't want to invest, there will be no train.
@chuckmaddison2924
3 жыл бұрын
The east west train is not just transportation. It's a vacation, experience in itself. It's something to enjoy like a fine wine and BBQ.
@ThomasNing
3 жыл бұрын
How can the environmental concerns be so significant when compared to 2 of the busiest air routes in the world, one of the most polluting transportation industries? Also, I wonder how much was spent on studies and if it compares in total to one of the lower cost proposals, that would be depressingly hilarious.
@pauljones3557
3 жыл бұрын
Can you please do railways of Africa. And South America.
@wyqtor
3 жыл бұрын
Morocco's TGV success story could be an interesting topic, too.
@philipbranco9568
3 жыл бұрын
You could also mention the Kenyan SGR as well many other rail initiatives in Africa.
@zeroyuki92
3 жыл бұрын
I seconded Morocco TGV. I heard they could make it works as a profitable cheap line and I want to know how it could happen.
@philipbranco9568
3 жыл бұрын
There has been some questions about the Moroccan TGV as it essentially a SNCF TGV in Morocco and whether it's a boondoggle.
@Hdtk2024
3 жыл бұрын
They actually have one high speed line in Africa.
@GHOSTSTALKER90
3 жыл бұрын
It's really funny how well areas grow and thrive when high speed rail goes in and the countries spending the money are loving them . Why can't Australia and America clue on to that .
@alexanderSydneyOz
3 жыл бұрын
Um... because your premise is a simplistic fantasy about a highly complex and expensive idea the viability of which is specific to the circumstances. In the case of Australia, no study of our context has found it be viable. Does that answer the question?
@christianwhittall5889
3 жыл бұрын
Tbf Amtrak’s 2030 goal are pretty cool but Australia has like 6 rail lines or something so the public have yet to realise the social and economic benefit
@oldskoolmusicnostalgia
3 жыл бұрын
Complacency and lobbying are the reasons.
@Mischael173
2 жыл бұрын
I think the reason is quiet easy. You have to subsidize high speed rails and in North America and Australia this is often seen as evil (socialism, communism lol). Meahnwhile everyone takes it for granted that state pays for highways and subsidizing air traffic. It's really ridiculous even more nowadys with the comming costs of climate change...
@napoleonibonaparte7198
3 жыл бұрын
Australia is basically the US of the Pacific. In love with dirty energy, problematic racism problem, and a dodgy government. NZ is their Canada. Edit: In reply to the person, I know all about those. I’m alluding these two to the Americas. I didn’t say Canada is not any worse off. Just general comparisons and similarities between the pairs of countries. While yes, they (Canada) have a racism problem as well, but it isn’t as bad as the US’s. Then the similarities of Australia and the US in terms of their oily love affair as well.
@VieleGuteFahrer
3 жыл бұрын
This comment has to be a joke. Canada has higher greenhouse gas emissions per capita than the United States, no electrified rail besides light rail and subways in cities, the widest highway in all of North America, and a lot of Canadians were outraged when Keystone XL was canceled by Biden. At least that is what I captured in the comments on Canadian news sites. There definitely is a problem with racism, especially against First Nations, but like Europeans, Canadians like to shrug that off or simply lack awareness. There also was an incident of police brutality against Black people just two days after the incident with George Floyd, but it didn’t make huge national headlines and definitely not international headlines, but still: some American news pages like NowThis covered that story. Quebec also banned face coverings for public service workers in 2017. 68% of Canadians support a similar bill like that on national level, according to polls. You sir, are a victim of maplewashing. Canadians twist their history to make others believe that they’re better than their neighboring country.
@catherine2268
3 жыл бұрын
The capital of Australia is 100% renewable energy, another state is close to that. Sure the other states have a long way to go, but most are making positive changes towards renewable.
@mwww12310
3 жыл бұрын
Except Australia has a lot more rail ridership and a lot more rail services than Canada or NZ.
@aeromaximon
3 жыл бұрын
It would be nice to see Australia develop a high speed rail network to effectively connect all those cities and even encourage the development of new ones further inland. It's hard to believe that so much time and money has been wasted getting this off the ground.
@KanishQQuotes
3 жыл бұрын
So basically combining the UK paper pushing with USA political lobbying
@bucket6386
2 жыл бұрын
there isn't much further inland apart from shepparton, albury and wagga wagga
@project_calais4977
3 жыл бұрын
Can I just say thank you for your perfect pronunciation of our Cities, States and Roads. It's very very refreshing to hear someone pronounce these properly. Now I find it interesting that it was as early ad the 1980's that planning and investigating began on high speed rail. During that time there was no interstate motorway between major capitals, only inner cities motorways and freeways to smaller cities less than 100km away from a capital. Its only in the last 10 years that full nonstop motorways/dual carriageways have been completed, which are the aforementioned Hume Highway M31 and the Pacific Highway/Motorway A1/M1. I wonder if high speed rail will come to this country, however it seems unlikely right now.
@brianna_lynch
3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a high speed rail train from Sydney to Melbourne.
@hazptmedia
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it would be awesome. No need to go all the way to the airport.
@saumyacow4435
3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see one too. But it needs to be built in stages, starting where the highest volume - in and around Sydney.
@andrew_koala2974
3 жыл бұрын
So would I, however, I will be long dead before such a rail link is built.
@saumyacow4435
3 жыл бұрын
@@andrew_koala2974 Well, the absolute worst thing we could have done is price the entire thing. You'll notice the road builders don't do that. They only price stages.
@ronclark9724
3 жыл бұрын
@@saumyacow4435 Almost everyone uses a highway, very few ride a intercity train beyond 3 hours... Most prefer to fly that distance or more... Trains are great for commuter distances, not so great for intercity distances more than 3 hours...
@arokh72
3 жыл бұрын
If you know anything about Australian politics, you'll find that these studies exist not to find a resolution, but to justify the existence of some politicians, rich business folks, and public servants.
@Explosivefox109
2 жыл бұрын
I think something not properly understood is that Australians are highly centralised living in the state capitals. Even our biggest state with the highest regional population, New South Wales, has 5 of 8 million living in Sydney, and another 1 million living in towns and cities up to 100km away. A similar story in Queensland & Victoria. So we all basically live near big airports, with good enough public transport to get around our cities and if people need a car to visit regional places in other states they’ll drive intercity (which from Sydney to Brisbane or Sydney to Melbourne is a long but tolerable day’s drive) or rent when they arrive. The east coast rail corridor isn’t viable when the main roads are quicker and safer than ever, and flying is more affordable as well.
@chinaiscoming1017
2 жыл бұрын
Have you been to China?more people take high speed trains from Bejing to Shanghai although flight tickets are cheaper,high speed trains are much more reliable and comfortable than plane,most important new trains in China all have free wifi,which is freaking expensive on a plane,just come to China and try once
@ivaaan_
3 жыл бұрын
If you want to add another continent, here in Argentina during the mandate of Cristina Kichnner there was a project for a high-speed train, models were presented and everything. but in the end everything came to nothing.
@90enemies
3 жыл бұрын
Really makes China who built 36.000km of Highspeed rails in about 12 years seems like a miracle.
@hull4bal00
3 жыл бұрын
Chinese running faster that their own fastest train I guess
@GBA811
3 жыл бұрын
Nah... cheatcodes.
@joshanderson9391
3 жыл бұрын
Not so surprising when one city in China have more people than all of Australia
@Gnefitisis
3 жыл бұрын
Not surprising if you consider China has an authoritarian government.
@hull4bal00
3 жыл бұрын
@@Gnefitisisbut it's worked for them, so?
@pauly5418
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Australia, we have the same difficulty here in Canada for similar reasons. High speed rail is not feasible for such long distances and a relatively small population. The Siemens Charger was designed for the North America market. It's top speed is 200 km/hr. Not quite "high speed" but significantly faster than what is being used now here in Canada and most of USA. It doesn't require the same expensive infrastructure needed for high speed rail and it wouldn't take many years for it to be operational. The first Siemens Chargers are to begin service in the Windsor-Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal-Quebec City corridor in 2022 with 32 train sets to be delivered in total eventually. VIA Rail expects an 80% reduction in carbon emissions compared to what it's using now.
@RailwaysExplained
3 жыл бұрын
And you have the similar video... 😁 kzitem.info/news/bejne/2aGErqWwoGZ5mmk
@edwardbarnett6571
3 жыл бұрын
Canada has much smaller cities to Sydney and Melbourne so I agree Japanese maglev may not be economically there even with overnight containers.
@johnchow8372
3 жыл бұрын
Buy the time Australia starts, certain countries would have already connected their whole country with high speed rails at slightly higher than the cost of Australian studies.
@AndrewManook
3 жыл бұрын
China would have already completed their maglev network.
@edwardbarnett6571
3 жыл бұрын
@@AndrewManook I think with only 1cm clearance they will be limited to the expensive German technology.
@AlohaBiatch
3 жыл бұрын
The more Australia waits to build it the more expensive it will get as the areas and cities develop further (making property acquisition more expensive).... The fact that the Sydney Melbourne corridor is one of the most busy air routes in the world proves that it IS/WAS a viable project....
@alexanderSydneyOz
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting reasoning. London to New York is a very busy route also. Do you think a rail link IS/WAS a viable project there?
@AlohaBiatch
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderSydneyOz is this sarcasm? There is a whole ocean between the two. And extremely long distances such as NY to London make no sense for high speed rail, even if they were connected by land.
@edwardbarnett6571
3 жыл бұрын
If done now with a Japanese maglev in a single 11psi tunnel it avoids buying land or any other surface problems while taking overnight containers keeping the daytime fares low.
@alexanderSydneyOz
3 жыл бұрын
@@AlohaBiatch Well, as you ask, of course it was sarcasm. You said this: "The fact that the Sydney Melbourne corridor is one of the most busy air routes in the world proves that it IS/WAS a viable project". Do you not even review what you yourself said?? Your conclusion is based SOLELY on the fact that it's a busy air route. So I just referred to a different busy air route to highlight that. Now it turns out there is at least one other factor of which you are aware: distance. As has been well covered in many posts in this video alone, Mel-Syd is too long for rail to compete with air. Which is why, despite a number of investigations, noone has ever come close to going ahead with an HSR link. Nor will,.
@alexanderSydneyOz
3 жыл бұрын
@@edwardbarnett6571 I am thinking the twin 800km tunnels might cost a bit. In fact, I am thinking that would cost way more than the land above.
@magicalmanfromwonderland
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Railway Explained. Another railway worth doing research about might be the Singapore-KualaLumpur-Penang Project was initially started but the Malaysian government pulled out paying hundreds of millions of dollars.
@eggheadegghead
3 жыл бұрын
It seems Singapore benefits the most for such a cross country railway. No wonder Malaysia pullout of it.
@magicalmanfromwonderland
3 жыл бұрын
@@eggheadegghead hmm. I have no idea honestly if it's a one-sided deal. I would think it would be pretty good as a lot of Malaysians work In Singapore but not as much the other way around. To my friends who work in Singapore, they just live across the Straits which is in Johor. If there were a high speed railway, they can live in KL, but work in Singapore. Whereas now you'd need to take a plane. AirAsia is cheap, but the logistics of going in and out of the airport can be taxing. Singapore would benefit from the larger workforce while Malaysia will benefit from the tourism and repatriation of funds to Malaysia.
@Secretlyanothername
3 жыл бұрын
@@magicalmanfromwonderland I think the political sensitivities between the two countries were the major issue. Both countries have a strong self image and are anxious about their relationship. It would be a very good route otherwise.
@patriciapotts8757
3 жыл бұрын
I never knew we had Quinsland in Australia
@washuotaku
3 жыл бұрын
Cute comment at the end confirming the bias because, well, it is a railway channel.
@UltimateAlgorithm
3 жыл бұрын
It's okay to admit that you're bias, hahaha. Although I do agree that high speed land transport should be rail based. Don't get me wrong, I like planes, but they have very high energy cost per seat per kilometers. Hence why should only be used in remote areas or across large bodies of water.
@beagle7622
3 жыл бұрын
There was a serious plane proposed in the early 1990’s . It was laughed out of parliament in Canberra.
@robertbutler8004
Жыл бұрын
I'm 76 and in my lifetime I will never see a High Speed train in Australia unless we start to call our existing trains that travel at 100 km High-Speed Trains.
@LandgraabIV
3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see one about the non-existent high speed rails in Brazil haha
@arkilos2253
3 жыл бұрын
Does Brazil have the economy to support HSR? They are never cheap, and require separate rail network free from cargo and other slower moving trains.
@lemagnifique1573
3 жыл бұрын
@@arkilos2253 Indonesia has lower economy than Brazil but currently built High Speed Rail line between Jakarta and Bandung. With China's money help but
@akbar8169
3 жыл бұрын
@@lemagnifique1573 ya thats right, but that HRS is business to business project so it should be a successful project to make a profit for either the chinese or indonesian company. java island with more than 150M people I believe in that..
@seanjohnnn
11 ай бұрын
"Quinsland" - that's a new one 😆
@daweilaotou1269
3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see HSR in Australia, having worked in China & seen it grow there over the last decade. However whether Australian ticket prices would be affordable is an issue. I've done Nanjing to Shanghai, about 300km, mostly at 350km/hr apart from the approach to the final station, in 1hr8min but the ticket price was about Au$35. While Australia's population is around the same as Shanghai's, (& they run 90 trains a DAY between Beijing & Shanghai), it's probably not gunna happen. Also if they're thinking of building the line at ground level, not the elevated lines as in China, I dread to think of issues when the rail line crosses a highway. That's not an issue with the Chinese system.
@jlp27089
3 жыл бұрын
The Chinese one was built by workers getting payed much less than would be allowed here in Australia.
@railtrolley
3 жыл бұрын
All new rail construction in Australia does not have level crossings with roads. Grade separation has been policy for some time now. Melbourne is intending to remove most of the many level crossings that city has on its electrified suburban network.
@AndrewManook
3 жыл бұрын
@@jlp27089 No it was built by automation.
@jlp27089
3 жыл бұрын
@@AndrewManook The workers still had to operate the machinery and didn't get payed much for it.
@andydelarue9344
3 жыл бұрын
The main problem is so few people for a very large country, it’s the size of Europe and only 25 million live here. Not much rain fall , mostly desert.
@SpicaRigel
3 жыл бұрын
It's ironic that its neighbor Indonesia which Australia often considered as "poor" will get a HSR first compared to them 🤔🤔🤔.
@dynasty0019
3 жыл бұрын
And? Indonesia's air transport infrastructure is still backwards. It's almost routine to have an airliner crash in Indonesia each year while Australia hasn't had a fatal crash in decades.
@waynet8953
3 жыл бұрын
They can't ask China to build it, so chose Japan; otherwise nothing is going to happen.
@sambros2
3 жыл бұрын
What do you mean “considered as poor” Yes they have a high gdp but low gdp per capita
@LordZonaxe
3 жыл бұрын
We are still giving them Aid $ as well.
@truthseeker1934
3 жыл бұрын
Western part of Java alone has almost 70 million people in it. Plenty of potential people to be served. You can't compare it with Australia.
@shayneramsay1388
3 жыл бұрын
i am 48 and they will still be doing feasibility studies long after i have passed over to the other side such is the speed of the Australian government for getting things done. After the Cowper and Clybucca bus crashes in New South Wales in 1989 the New South Wales government at the time promised that there would be no articulated trucks(B Doubles we call them) on our highways, yet there are more of those trucks then ever before(they promise the world and give us taxes and nothing else) while we are still riding around on trains that were built in the 1980's as our "high speed" trains which cant do over 120km/h most of the time
@30769s
3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to have high speed rail in Australia when I'm 50!
@simonberryman4966
3 жыл бұрын
I'm over 50 and they were talking about this when I was at school! At least there's a slim chance you might see something; I have no hope.
@qjtvaddict
Жыл бұрын
If you’re going to subsidize planes you will need to do the same thing for HSR
@Ken-nv2hl
3 жыл бұрын
Just fyi in Australia, a toll to travel between states is illegal by the Section 92 of the Australian Constitution.
@Trainviking
3 жыл бұрын
Would be great when the train is a better alternative on these routes. However, don't just look at the travel time, the train takes you from city centre to city centre and in the train you can be very productive.
@tingtong5898
3 жыл бұрын
The train also serves people in rural centres outside the the cities. From Goulburn or Albury people could travel to Sydney, Melbourne or Canberra in a short amount of time.
@ronclark9724
3 жыл бұрын
@@tingtong5898 Even in Europe where there is HSR, more ride on the slower cheaper trains than fork over for the premium HSR fares...
@oldskoolmusicnostalgia
3 жыл бұрын
In this area as in many others, Australia is either complacent or held back by lobbies (airlines). Same for USA. Meanwhile there is no such complacency in places like Singapore or China, they just want to power ahead with infrastructure.
@bucket6386
2 жыл бұрын
yes but china doing everything so fast has brought them massive debt and nobody wants to pay it
@RSK14362
Жыл бұрын
Singapore is tiny country with no need of #HSR. #India is going ahead to with It's plan to have 8000 km + #HSR network with trains operating at 320 - 350 km / hr. First 508 km corridor is under construction & will open in 2026. Our #HSR network is based on #Japanese Shinkansen which has zero fatalities record since 1964.
@neurodivtries4101
Жыл бұрын
@@RSK14362 Source: Godi media.
@seanthe100
Жыл бұрын
How tf you compare Singapore literally a city state to China, US, or Australia
@rickyrickstan563
Жыл бұрын
3:09 lots of people drive both the Sydney to Melbourne and Sydney to Brisbane trips
@johndunbar7504
Жыл бұрын
Am I glad that I have subscribed to your channel. That was a dynamite documentary on Australia's woes.
@k.h.4698
3 жыл бұрын
High speed rail travel in Australia would probably be limited to a circumferential route along the continent, because the cities are mostly coastal. Thereby leaving cross continental travel more practical for air routes. If there were more central cities, it might be seriously considered. Although in the United States, there are lots of cities in the center of the country. But the reasons that high speed rail have not been built there are for totally political reasons, not based on need or feasibility, and that’s another story.
@michaelfasher
3 жыл бұрын
United States has cities in its interior because of the Mississippi delta. Australia has no equivalent.
@michaelmolloy365
3 жыл бұрын
We actually don't need a HSR network. Distance kills it. The inland rail network which is currently being constructed. We need to increase rail freight which will reduce emissions and reduce road traffic. Keep in mind that the distance between Melbourne and Brisbane if it were applied to Europe would cross who knows how many countries.
@JapaneseHistory
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for creating this well researched. I remember hearing and seeing a lot of the proposals as a kid. And haven't see some of those renders for decades. I was hoping for the maglev back in the day.
@punishedpinecone4772
3 жыл бұрын
9:10 and that's why trains are so fucking insanely expensive in Australian cities. To go a distance of 2km costs you $3.50.
@gravelpit1960
3 жыл бұрын
Its like Just In US, the flight lobby is too strong
@TheAussief1
3 жыл бұрын
Biggest problem I see is animal strikes as the entire line would have to be fenced so native animals wouldn’t wander or force their way in front of a train doing +200kph.
@edwardbarnett6571
3 жыл бұрын
There would be no animal strikes if it is in a single tunnel reduced to 11psi with exhaust valves at launch shafts to reduce tunnel resistance.
@DrJRaven
3 жыл бұрын
Australia should have had a high speed rail 40 years ago.
@yerlocalpeanutdealer795
Жыл бұрын
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@madenaraputra6887
5 ай бұрын
The China railway investment from CREC was cheapest project of high speed railway in the world. The Australian Government should be investment project by China, including of high speed rail project in Australia 🇦🇺
@Andy-em8xt
2 жыл бұрын
I love rail and high speed rail. But IMO there are good reasons not to have HSR in Australia. It just doesn't have the same density as other countries like China, Japan, France or Germany to make the investment worth it. I would like to see far more investment though in metro rail and light rail, and lessening the dependency on cars within cities.
@tjmfarming9584
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah you forgot one! You forgot the Perth-Adelaide rail link proposed a few years ago to link Perth with the east
@InternetXplorer
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent research and presentation.
@knitewe
2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned the Sydney Olympic Games. I caught the train from Canberra to Sydney and stayed with friends when the Games were on.
@badhrihari1705
3 жыл бұрын
Love the new logo
@elenidemos
3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Lots of proposals & studies, but nothing ever arrives. We keep pleading, but to no avail. The studies also missed a huge potential market, to help pay for the system. High speed delivery through out the system. It normally takes days, if not weeks to transport goods between the cities. The only contender for this at present is air, but rail would make this cheaper & able to carry heavier loads without too much hassle (if any).
@edwardbarnett6571
3 жыл бұрын
Because the Japanese maglev does not need maintenance containers Sydney/Melbourne could be delivered at 7am eliminating many of the 700,000 B doubles on the Hume.
@elenidemos
3 жыл бұрын
@@edwardbarnett6571 “no need for maintenance”? Don’t understand the statement, all machines mechanical or electric need maintenance. They may not need “fuel” or greasing, but all vehicles & structures require maintenance. railroads.dot.gov/sites/fra.dot.gov/files/fra_net/17219/Maglev%20Cost%20Estimation-%20Annual%20Operating%20%26%20Maintenance%20Cost%20Elements.pdf Report on Australian government website detailing setup & on going cost for a maglev system. Doesn’t give amounts, but lists areas for budget estimated cost the government needed to look at.
@minhyeong
3 жыл бұрын
South Korea built HSR about 20years ago and now they r building the next gen HSR but Australia even the decision not made lol
@alexanderSydneyOz
3 жыл бұрын
Population SK: 51 million. Land area: 100,000 sq km. Population NSW + Vic: 13 million. Land area of NSW alone: 800,000 sq km. If you look at a map you will find about 18m people in SK living within (very) roughly 250km of each other, and mostly far less.
@TheWizardGamez
3 жыл бұрын
This time we decided to add 4th contintent **proceeds to talk about antactica**
@MrBoliao98
3 жыл бұрын
You don't even need HSR to travel at 350km/h, all you need is around 200km/h or 125 miles per hour, and life changes a great deal
@tonclehong6479
Жыл бұрын
Very easy for Australia to have hi speed rail just ask Aukus to provide as they happily say yes.
@pahatpahat9566
3 жыл бұрын
I just wonder how many more studies would be needed before they start to construct in 2050? By then, maybe they can't afford the cost involved!
@KingUnKaged
2 жыл бұрын
Just goes to show, no matter what happens, consultants always get rich
@applecore4720
3 жыл бұрын
Qantas is a thing that exists, Australian governments are heavily influenced by big corporations and it's no exception to Qantas. They'll be trying to put a stop to any high speed rail. A secondary issue is that, to combat against airlines in the first place, it has to be cutting-edge of high speed rail. speeds would have to exceed 300km/h and they'd have to go from city-centre to city-centre, likely on pre-existing rail. Thirdly, governments change, and whatever one government institutes is often sabotaged/changed by the other, why? Because Australia.
@prakashsawan558
3 жыл бұрын
If they want high speed Rail, they should contact Japan or China
@edwardbarnett6571
3 жыл бұрын
The American rail club told me that maglev is the future of rail and I agree that within 100 years standard maglev tracks will be connecting many places and with no maintenance required they may transport containers overnight. To avoid disruption I think they will be in hardrock tunnels driven with TBM that can go 1km per week perhaps with automated second free face technology. Australia needs a very fast rail Sydney/Canberra and by making it maglev in a tunnel we have an opportunity to transition our unemployed miners to tunnel workers and perhaps develop much faster technology and later perhaps a ten minute maglev trip from Wollongong etc. Many people think it is better to spend money on education but I believe you have to do to learn and there will always be a place for planes, cars and trucks as not everything can go by rail.
@柠檬-u5k
3 жыл бұрын
Australia will NEVER have high speed rail
@edwardbarnett6571
3 жыл бұрын
Hope not, it costs too much to maintain and is too slow.
@ffsForgerFortySeven.9154
3 жыл бұрын
The Hume Highway used to go all the way to Kempsey, near Portmaquri .
@endoftheline774
3 жыл бұрын
Just a quick thing from an Australian who has studies this issue for quite a while, Australia is simply too big to operate a high speed railway project profitably. At the moment at least, flying is king. The closest Australia has to High speed rail is the 160KPH route from Brisbane to cairns. This route operates well and is actually the train seen in the very last clip in this entire video. But this is still to slow to operate the busy east coast corridor.
@edwardbarnett6571
3 жыл бұрын
Because the Japanese maglev needs no maintenance it could take containers overnight Sydney/Melbourne saving some of the 700,000 B doubles that travel the Hume every year and making huge profit.
@realpainediaz7473
3 жыл бұрын
"Australia is simply too big to operate a high speed railway project profitably." -> tell that to China. Also, China constructing its HSR is not all about profitability!!!
@endoftheline774
3 жыл бұрын
@@realpainediaz7473 China's high speed rail unfortunately is backfiring on them They are pretty much bleeding money because of it
@realpainediaz7473
3 жыл бұрын
@@endoftheline774 have you are done your research, the Chinese government's main concern is the mobility of its citizens NOT profitability!
@qjtvaddict
7 ай бұрын
@@realpainediaz7473😅
@RobbetDegoat
2 жыл бұрын
You completely overlooked the Tilt Train? Queensland Rail (Not Quinsland), operates the fasted narrow gauge trains in the entire world and the fasted rolling-stock in the southern hemisphere. Our trains are capable of speeds over 200 km/h... well into the high speed category. The limiting factor is the infrastructure, but still the Tilt Train set a speed record in the 1980's which still stands. Queensland Rail operated the largest rail network in the entire world and in the most complicated terrain. Our tracks are replaced twice as often as the rest of the world due to the climate and conditions. True we are not without fault, but give credit where it's due. Also, 3 hours is a load of rubbish. It takes a minimum of 4 hours when you factor in all of the above mentioned like check in and luggage, not to mention the time to travel out to the airports which are a bit away from the cities which is at minimum half an hour without traffic on the road. Realistically, you're looking at 5 to 6 hours between city centres.
@rawpowerinmotion
3 жыл бұрын
The XPT trains from Sydney to Melbourne and Sydney to Brisbane are 40 years old and go at a snails pace. Last time I went from Melbourne to Sydney overnight it took 13 hours. Definitely in need of high speed rail but it's going to be challenging fixing up the 100+ year old track to high speed rail standards. At one point around the towns of Junee and Bethungra it's a steep hill and will be immensely difficult getting a high speed rail track to stick to the 300kmh speeds they tend to reach in say Japan
@ourjeffie
3 жыл бұрын
High-speed rail is typically built on a completely new alignment, not by upgrading existing tracks
@medwaymodelrailway7129
3 жыл бұрын
Great video like it very much.loads of detail.Hope there more.
@carlsmith5545
7 ай бұрын
Yeah highspeed bullet train technology is the American dream too...
@achere4893
3 жыл бұрын
Dreams does come true sometimes...
@Samuel_kalam
Жыл бұрын
So no one gonna talk about Quinsland at 1:59
@thisislilraskal
10 ай бұрын
Melbourne airport STILL doesn't have a train station. Ridiculous.
@rudolffabrie3233
3 жыл бұрын
Australia has always been a country of big plans that are never realized.
@saumyacow4435
3 жыл бұрын
You mean like its national highway network- which cost several hundred billion in present day dollars?
@mr.kaboom8729
3 жыл бұрын
They have big big plans but the brain of a pea.
@tingtong5898
3 жыл бұрын
@@saumyacow4435 A national highway system is nothing to boast about for a developed country. Eventually we will have a divided dual highway between Sydney & Brisbane.
@saumyacow4435
3 жыл бұрын
@@tingtong5898 The point I'm making is that we decided to invest that kind of money on a highway system knowing it was essential to being a modern, prosperous nation. We didn't spend decades debating whether or not to build one. We didn't subject it to same scrutiny or the same hostile methodology. We just realised that it was necessary and we built it. So as a nation we are not beyond spending large sums of money. But with HSR? We don't get that HSR does exactly what roads do - move people around. And right now when its becoming clear that certain corridors are going to require tens of billions more being spent on more road pavement (I'm talking Newcastle to Wollongong and Brisbane to Gold Coast) is the time when we should be asking, do we build yet another road for cars, or do we instead build a new kind of road that moves more people, faster?
@tingtong5898
3 жыл бұрын
@@saumyacow4435 Okay. I missed what you were saying. A big problem with fast rail is they are acting as if it all has to be done at the same time. They can start with Sydney to Canbera & Melbourne to Albury.
@guyclk
3 жыл бұрын
Similar story regards the contact less fare system in Sydney. studies, planning, proposals, pull outs, many millions of A$s and more than a decade before eventually rolling one out, if memory serves.
@zerokei9403
2 жыл бұрын
The OPAL card isn't contactless.
@thebarehandsdoctor2769
Жыл бұрын
Dream on Australian, Dream always come true.
@mworld
3 жыл бұрын
Some big infrastructure plans fail in AU because of the red tape. There is just too many people to pay off.
@FebiMaster
3 жыл бұрын
Indonesia will finish its HSR to Surabaya by the time this project starts lol
@terrythekittieful
3 жыл бұрын
Thailand has started one, but it's on pause due to Covid.
@FebiMaster
3 жыл бұрын
@@terrythekittieful Yeah i know
@Secretlyanothername
3 жыл бұрын
Indonesia has 145 million people on Java, which is just under half the size of Victoria. That's quite a different equation.
@bial3436
2 жыл бұрын
HSR in Australia? May be in the next century
@markleon411
3 жыл бұрын
I understand that the biggest block to moving forward is the states. The Federal Government would not fund a project like this without significant contribution from each of the states involved but they have consistently squabbled over who pays more. The majority of the line would go through NSW but they refuse to fund the majority of the project. The ACT Government would not want to pay anything because the territory is so small and all they are is a stop along the way. While the states refuse to compromise, this will never move forward.
@edwardbarnett6571
3 жыл бұрын
If Parrahub/Canberra is only 20 minutes away with Japanese maglev then a 10% levy on sale of Canberra property would be fair as many people would want to move there.
@glenmcinnes4824
3 жыл бұрын
so much of the live vision in this is like quarter hour by car (if you don't account for traffic) from my house, the vision of the rail is within walking distance and I know the primary engineer of the redevelopment project, good to see the north of grater Brisbane getting some time on screen.
@davislinkaits6935
3 жыл бұрын
Me every phew minutes: "OMG JUST DO IT"
@BillSaltbush
3 жыл бұрын
A perfect example of the crippling behaviours of various Australian governments is the Victorian government's 'MyKi' public transport ticketing system. It became operational in 2012, at a cost of (get this). . . 3 billion dollars. Nearly ten years later I'm still intensely annoyed. You would not believe how dysfunctional it is. We could have built at least a couple of public hospitals for that amount.
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