Morning everybody! Here are some timestamps for ya: Story is from 0:00 - 25:23 Reaction/Opinion 25:24 - 39:50
@Mistarpotato
6 жыл бұрын
Morning Nobbel, thanks for the vid
@lukethelegendary1999
6 жыл бұрын
Nobbel87 man the voice acting in the throne room interaction still gives me chills.
@jensage58
6 жыл бұрын
thank you for your input Nobbel... as for the question you asked at the end... where I see this going is the final battle will be H and A against Sylvanas with Saurfang as the warchief..hopefully... as for the future.. as shown in a lot of the faction gathering cinematics, the old gods are being woken up and they will be the coming threat...just a humble horde player here hoping that this is where things go .. lol..
@apaxtoa
6 жыл бұрын
I think Jaina is averting her eyes cause she might have been able to stop the burning but she wanted the hatred sparked from it to finally eradicate the horde. Jaina and Sylvanas seem much alike at this point
@Vicioussama
6 жыл бұрын
Oh Blizzard... why do you have to write so derpily? Alliance has known about the Blight for YEARS now and no preparations? Sylvanas has been known to be Blight happy *cough Cataclsym?* for awhile now. Write Alliance so militarily inept despite the ones who are there that aren't Anduin are veterans of war.... so inept that Alliance needs at least two Deus Ex Machinas to overcome the ineptness. And then the Horde, man... sometimes felt too derp as well in terms of why it feels like Horde are still holding their own against Anduin, Greymane, Jaina, Alleria, etc....and then falls back? Why didn't Sylvanas have any other plans than being all "BLIGHT!"? Also, I wish they would have had it that there were more than just the 20 minute scenario basically. That there had been a slew of quests for both sides leading up to it kinda how you see the quests for Horde as they move up through Ashenvale and then Darkshore. Be neat to have Alliance landing and then having to fight their way through Trisfal, that they sack Brill and destroy it, that they make it to Lordaeron and the battle is even more of a battle (allowing the player to also get in the seige towers woulda been cool and if those would have kept moving). During that time, Horde could have to deal with doing guerilla tactics that hamper equipment for the Alliance (would explain why there are BIG ASS CANNON TANKS in the back that aren't up for the battle, because the Horde sabotaged em). Then eventually drawing back to have to deal with the interior stuff (si7 and the druids) from the Alliance.... the whole Goblin that's all "we've got the plans" could have had more to deal with it too... what plans? For what? Seems nothing. And we could have AT LEAST seen some named god damn Night Elf there.... even if Tyrande had to stay back for her people to take care of them and the refugees (I don't buy that she would tbh, I think she'd have gone to the front lnies), there could have been Shandris there.... Also, why would Jaina come down from her ship instead of just continuously bombard it from the sky with her magic cannons? Why wouldn't she blow Sylvanas' airship outta the sky with it? Why didn't Jaina have ANY lines in the throne room where she should at least say something learning about Darnassus or against Sylvanas cause of her anger of the Horde and she'd probably be emotional as well given it's the throne room of her former lover's kingdom...... Don't get me wrong, the scenario was still fun, I loved the little WC3 nod backs for the small added bit for the Alliance side's cinematic and I did enjoy Sylvenas' taunting to Greymane and Anduin. I just feel like there could have been a lot more and the writing could be way better for it on both sides :P
@SagittariusSisyphus
6 жыл бұрын
I want to see Nathanos and Turalyon chilling in a tavern talking about all the crazy shizzle their girls do and how they constantly argue and fight xD
@markusdamon9200
6 жыл бұрын
This ....... This is Epic
@SagittariusSisyphus
6 жыл бұрын
Thou hearth it Blizzard!
@SagittariusSisyphus
6 жыл бұрын
I got a title: "The Holy and the Unholy".
@splatttt
6 жыл бұрын
can this be a sitcom please
@Mysterialic
6 жыл бұрын
Nathanos: As all things should be.
@BarbaraMorozova
6 жыл бұрын
"Sylvanas has no time for games" I see what you did there LOL
@Nobbel87
6 жыл бұрын
Was so...so tempted to add the trumpet sound effect
@lolosh99
5 жыл бұрын
Nobbel87 shouuuuld have thooo 😂😂😂
@Dehn396
6 жыл бұрын
Jaina discovering the burning of Teldrassil: "Called it!" Garrosh seeing how Sylvanas is slowly turning like the Lich King: "F*cking called it!"
@1Kapuchu100
6 жыл бұрын
Oh the irony... Alleria, wielding Void magic, appears. Anduin - "Thank the Light!"
@ThreeArrows
6 жыл бұрын
Nice. We traded a world tree and capital city for a blight infested ruin.
@dolphchu8482
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe we can salvage it eventually..... just kidding it's going to be like how deathwing's fire is still burning places after all these years
@zeddie3962
6 жыл бұрын
Hey I love your channel man. Keep it up.
@sidetracker3496
6 жыл бұрын
Three Arrows granted Teldrassil is a burnt tree stump with no use (by the Bitch Queen's own decision no less) sooo yeah. While Lordearon's blight can be relatively easily cleaned up, you cant regrow or remove the tree that easily. In any case the Horde came out as a looser both times.
@Duhad8
6 жыл бұрын
Hey its you!
@sirthumple7494
6 жыл бұрын
Woah, you play Warcraft?
@Scionofgreyhaven
6 жыл бұрын
Take a shot everytime they say Honor
@andrijabujanovic1213
6 жыл бұрын
Lol you legend
@0557862557
6 жыл бұрын
i can play this game.
@razorback6416
6 жыл бұрын
I must capture sylvannas to restore my HONOR!
@JoseAnd97
6 жыл бұрын
I demand an honorable honor with honorability
@IORKI
6 жыл бұрын
My interpretation is that Nathanos fired a flaming arrow from the airship to blow up the explosives. If you watch the cinematic (24:00) you can see the initial glow behind Alleria in the balcony and it kinda sounds like an arrow. He could've done it with his own bow but Sylvanas giving her own bow is a way of telling what actually happened without showing it and it makes sense as she probably wants to be unarmed so she could buy some time. Also "Jaina showing up makes no sense" ? How ? Isn't she the leader of the survivors of Lordaeron ? It makes at least some sense for her go and attack Undercity on her own. Even if she knew about the war, "Jaina usually runs a little late" according to Arthas in WC3.
@fraincross8644
6 жыл бұрын
Anduin walking to the throne room made me have flashbacks of Arthas's betrayal cinematic
@Mrree250
6 жыл бұрын
I think it's Blizzard trying to tell us something.
@Mrree250
6 жыл бұрын
Also the only other person to have a named horse = arthas
@Nergal134
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, they are telling us Anduin is who Arthas was supposed to become.
@andrejoss475
6 жыл бұрын
GJ, it's not like it was supposed to do that
@bardandrebendiksen3987
6 жыл бұрын
Anduin = Arthas v2.0 :)
@Tharppedo
6 жыл бұрын
"You've won... nothing." I mean the only major Horde civilization left on the continent is Quel'Thalas and as far as we are aware even Silvermoon is still largely destroyed... unless we are finally getting a Quel'thalas update!
@alex_ho
6 жыл бұрын
Tharppedo I've been saying this since MoP, RECLAIM THE GHOSTLANDS LOR'THEMAR, RECLAIM QUEL'THALAS!
@Eyestudio11
6 жыл бұрын
Nah, those maps are lying to you, quel'thalas is in outland.
@braxon
6 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Sylavanus's intentional all along has been to cede the Eastern Kingdom to the Alliance. (Honestly, the blood elves really should be paying more attention lol. So, so far, its all gone mostly to plan.
@Mullokadz
6 жыл бұрын
No Silvermoon and Azuremyst are safe behind the burning crusade loading screen as blizzard doesnt want to update those areas.
@braxon
6 жыл бұрын
lol fair
@Shiirow
6 жыл бұрын
"What difference is there between you and the Lich King now?' "Isnt it obvious...I serve the horde." Guess the horde serves her now, and the last excuse she can use to make her "totes not Arthas" is gone as well.
@winnerchickendinner7004
6 жыл бұрын
You read my mind
@dolphchu8482
6 жыл бұрын
17:50 🤔
@khrislee80
6 жыл бұрын
She Serve death!!!
@DragonofGales
6 жыл бұрын
Sylvanas, the Destroyer of Hope. Sylvanas, the Queen of Death. Rage and Hatred guided her decision to destroy Teldrassil. Hmm... who else do those words bring back memories of? Didn't she throw herself off of Icecrown Citadel after the fall of the Lich King? Didn't she get skewered by saronite before being revived by Val'kyr?
@mihajlomatic8274
6 жыл бұрын
Sylvanas and the Horde:*make a logical and smart plan* Alliance: *random person drops in just in time to save them*
@DreBin1415
6 жыл бұрын
The guy who said "he has an axe. How does he die by the sword?" killed me haha
@Alwayz114
6 жыл бұрын
The main line I don't understand is Sylv saying to Anduin 'You want peace when its convenient for you' ... what? Anduins gone for peace in the most inconvenient, dangerous ways, almost getting himself killed instead of just killing off the Horde
@NoobsUnited9000
6 жыл бұрын
Shes referencing the fact that Genn is still in his ears, a man who at peace time struck her forces at literally the worst possible time. The entire stormheim questline is because of Genn. As much as she knows, Genn has not faced any reparations for this, as far as she knows, it IS only when its convienent for him. Edit; And he brought an usurper to the throne shortly before the war of thorns in the novel during a peaceful reunification of the living and their dead forsaken relatives. But Calia Menethil tried to unite the forsaken under her banner, Sylvanas was well within her rights then and there to start the war.
@Alwayz114
6 жыл бұрын
GudMast3r 13 both of those are misleading or inaccurate. At that point in Stormheim the Alliance believed the Horde had betrayed them at the Broke Shore already. While in hindsight they were wrong, that's the information they were going with. Also, the alliance had Intel in Azsuna that Sylv was up to something and trying to claim some power as her own. Genn was definitely too swift but it wasnt entirely unprovoked, and it proved justified in the end (although I wish it hadn't. I'm tired of Alliance always being justified) Also, Anduin did not bring Calia to the meeting. He had no idea she was there, and sylvanas knows this. Sylv explicitly thinks that Anduin is not stupid enough to do this and he looked genuinely shocked, hence why she only attacks Calia and those with her, not all the humans Edit: plus of course that just ignored ALL of Anduins character for as long as everyone has known him
@NoobsUnited9000
6 жыл бұрын
It was up in the air if they had actually betrayed them, Anduin was not sure. Regardless, Anduin explicitly said DO NOT attack the horde unless provoked. Sylvanas doing her own thing is not provoking Genn. "Anduin did not bring Calia to the meeting." oh ok you're talking out of your ass. Read the novel
@Azmina_the_warlock
6 жыл бұрын
GudMast3r 13 um, the forsaken called on calia for help, and as a priest, she gave it. She had no desire to reclaim lordaeron for herself.
@Alwayz114
6 жыл бұрын
GudMast3r 13 talking out of my ass, or explicitly referencing Nobbel's video of the summation of events in the book? Rewatch if you forget, but you're in the wrong here, friend Edit: Pardon, Anduin knew she was there, but she promised to not make a move and to simply be there to see if her family was Forsaken and had given up her rite of succession. Still, it was not an intentional coup by Anduin or anyone, it was circumstances brought out by individuals and not the fault of the Alliance. Sylv knows this
@turhaturpa8186
6 жыл бұрын
"Maybe you don't care if your people die so long as it is honorable. But to me, this Horde is worth saving." She uses Blight on her own troops and then resurrects them as skeletons afterwards. While Saurfang wants to save his troops from dying to the Blight. Horde is nothing but a cannon fodder for Sylvanas, and the only part of the Horde she cares about is Forsaken. I'd rather die a honorable death than being murdered cruelly by my own "Warchief" and then resurrected and abused as a corpse.
@jf8350143
6 жыл бұрын
I'd say she didn't even care about the forsaken, she cares about herself and her true purpose, which is not known by anyone but herself.
@dolphchu8482
6 жыл бұрын
Turhaturpa I think the most triggering moment for me was when she talked about saurfang's son. 17:50
@ladysyberia7419
6 жыл бұрын
best part about it is she didnt use the valkyr to rez them, and the effect around her is the same as frostmourne. So the ones that got resurrected are scourge, not the forsaken. No free will.
@sidetracker3496
6 жыл бұрын
She IS like an abusive husband who beats his wife but says he does it because he loves her...
@markoosh
6 жыл бұрын
Side Tracker Is that what's happening in your life? You should contact someone lol
@TheTournesoul
6 жыл бұрын
Anduin going right into a trap, has no plans to counter the blight and jaina shows up randomly. it would be far better if anduin were expecting jaina to counter the blight and meaning that atleast they come prepared. that would be a "cavalry" moment and not a "deus ex" because that's literally what happened. the alliance was saved by an angel of salvation, literally. (doesn't change the fact how badass it was and she deserves a statue in stormwind) but to be honest it was really bad writen. at least this stupid event finally ended and now the xpac can launch, then we will judge if this worth our time.
@Kravockian
6 жыл бұрын
You know what would be cool? If one of the alliance characters was exposed to the blight and is becoming undead.
@Cendoria
6 жыл бұрын
Oh man, all those sneaky little edits made this so much better. The Lich King cinematic, the Jaina song, etc
@theeucguy
6 жыл бұрын
Gas mask get your gas masks xD
@dolphchu8482
6 жыл бұрын
GG Next see this is why I love goblins they're my favorite race in The Horde
@theeucguy
6 жыл бұрын
GrenAcid I was pro Horde but this dumb brutes have become the real cause, and problem of all conflicts, and wars. Honor my ass...
@Barsee23
6 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised he didn’t say “for only $5.99”
@fatcatfish6115
6 жыл бұрын
To be fair genn greymane changed a lot since he build the wall
@dolphchu8482
6 жыл бұрын
Bart De Pauw I was confused when nobbel started bashing him maybe he just did it to seem neutral like how he always does most of the time.
@ladysyberia7419
6 жыл бұрын
yeah nobbels comment calling him out for it was a little unneccesary. Hes done everything in his power to make up for his mistakes, and it was so long ago...
@GRIMHOOD99
6 жыл бұрын
What the fuck do you mean? Genn Greymane attacked sylvanas during the time of peace and wasn't punished for it even though Sylvanas was already a Warchief at the time. That attack alone might have been a sole reason for Sylvanas to wage war against alliance the minute we have beaten Sargeras. The fact that everyone ignores this is infuriating to me.
@valon5069
6 жыл бұрын
Grim Hood oh he wants revenge alright for his country and son, but we are talking about how he started mourning for the forsaken, how he said it was stupid of him to make a wall, and both this extra details are in the books wolfheart and before the storm
@dolphchu8482
6 жыл бұрын
Grim Hood old like how slyvanas fans ignored her resurrecting Undead against "laws of nature" or how she killed greymane son or enslaving valkyr 🤔
@gamesforlyfe6198
6 жыл бұрын
Nobbel m8, this videos is something best, like I am not able to play wow like I used to and watching these vids makes me really happy, thank you man for great content ;)
@Jaibie123
6 жыл бұрын
Began watching this and didn't bother having CC turned off from a previous video, omg Nobbel I lived reading those added captions of yours!
@FacelessCorp
5 жыл бұрын
"Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. Their silence is your answer."
@flipboy420
6 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced Blizzard doesn't know what to do with the horde characters. In my view it doesn't seem like they know how to write a lot of the main characters without creating boatloads of contradictions or they outright just kill them off. Thrall is all over the place, the way Garrosh was killed off by Thrall didn't feel satisfying whatsoever, RIP my boy Vol'jin, and now Sylvanas. It almost feels as if everything going on with Sylvanas is for the purpose of developing Saurfang as the new Warchief later in the expansion. If there is some deeper meaning to Sylvanas actions that go back to why Vol'jin appointed her as the new Warchief to lead the horde against an upcoming threat, isn't it bad storytelling to see none of that realized or hinted towards in game? I have yet to see her actions hint toward anything other than wanting to keep the forsaken from dying out, and even that seems to be waning.
@BioMatic2
6 жыл бұрын
flipboy420 vol' jin
@flipboy420
6 жыл бұрын
Yep, Vol'jin not zul.
@TheKyleNelson
6 жыл бұрын
flipboy420 they don’t really know what to do with alliance ones either. I mean the dwarves have never don’t anything lol Moria has a scenario in panda but other than that they just sit.
@blizzard217
6 жыл бұрын
Literally. You just explained why you don't know whats going on. "hinted towards in game?" No. The game is literally bone skeleton of the story that is happening. You are never going to fully understand the characters actions/motives if you don't pick up a book and read.
@Icepawthewolf
6 жыл бұрын
Rumor has it we find out more hints as to why Vol'jin appointed Sylvanas warchief in BFA.... but I apologize to the saurfang fans but fuck him we need a more level headed warchief..give us Baine. I mean Baine and Anduin are friends..surely this would mean peaceful discussions.
@travisanderson6431
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making these videos @Nobbel87. I just got back into WoW after not playing since WotLK and these videos have been amazing. As a horde player, you including both quest lines is amazing. THANK YOU MY FRIEND, FOR THE HORDE
@portasharp1526
Жыл бұрын
Whoever did the subtibles to the cinematics is a demon xD. Very funny, and amazing video.
@thecato2436
6 жыл бұрын
Nobbel always finds a way to use the Wrathgate cinematic
@Shiirow
6 жыл бұрын
because, the wrathgate is two things... 1) proof that if the horde are lead by actual honorable people, they can co-exist with the alliance 2) the forsaken, especially Sylvanas, are never to be trusted.
@Rawnblade13
6 жыл бұрын
Shiirow I think the Forsaken can be trusted, just not while Sylvanas leads them. One of the things that Before the Storm did that I loved is it humanized the Forsaken, it showed they were not that much different than well..humans.
@thiskneegrow
6 жыл бұрын
Give one reason why it shouldn't be used in this video?
@thecato2436
6 жыл бұрын
Not saying it shouldn't be used
@Goraka91
6 жыл бұрын
Wrathgate was an inside job wake up sheeple.
@QuiteSpiffing
6 жыл бұрын
The banshee scream was a signal for Nathanos to detonate the explosives.
@claustrofobics
6 жыл бұрын
u mean the fart. She had a gigantic fart , leaving like a sol-air missile .
@ebenjoyce5468
6 жыл бұрын
haha lol that was funny
@stevefrance5712
6 жыл бұрын
LOL. I love your inclusion of the start of the sea shanty. Well played.
@punker2534
6 жыл бұрын
Nobody does lore better we all know it and appreciate it. You are the reason I have learnt the lore after many years of playing and thank you for that.
@Freeasacar
6 жыл бұрын
There's no reason Sylvanas would say "You know what must be done" so forebodingly if Nathanos was just grabbing the car. He's absolutely the one who set of the plague explosion and he probably used the bow to do it.
@Skollshorties
6 жыл бұрын
Those in chat have horrible things to say. Jeeeeeze.
@valon5069
6 жыл бұрын
Skoll Shorties sorry, I’m just an Alliance player fascinated by the state of the horde fan base at the moment, with all the Sylvanas hate and love going all civil war on each other, I’m just interested in your thoughts of the current horde under Sylvanas way of ruling it
@Skollshorties
6 жыл бұрын
She's bringing us victory but at the cost of honor. For me I value the Old Horde and its values so for me its not something I like that she's changing. Especially when leaders are being captured or really left to die.
@modarnwarfare2rull
6 жыл бұрын
Fuck Sylvanas and fuck Blizzard for killing off Vol'jin.
@valon5069
6 жыл бұрын
Skoll Shorties what do you wish would be accomplished during BFA?
@skoorbals7205
6 жыл бұрын
I understand the viewpoint of how the horde should be, but I think she makes a lot of good points. If the horde army acts honorable in a battle but it ends up losing them everything is it worth it? Not all the horde races and members care solely about honor. Survival is a major theme of the horde and It can be argued that the way saurfang wants to fight war is idealistic. I think thats the good thing about the bfa story direction. It offeres you these different points of view, but lets you choose how you see it for yourself.
@Thetoro360
6 жыл бұрын
excellent editing and thanks for adding in the similar clips
@PrinceCrab96
6 жыл бұрын
The most awaited reaction! Nobbel thank you for being the best loremaster in this game, wish it was a first time seeing thought but great video anyway.
@aerydk
6 жыл бұрын
"You've won..." //boop (censored) "NOTHING"
@joeparas
6 жыл бұрын
Malf survived by 'The Grace of Elune' (read: plot armour lol)
@drewknight227
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great videos Nobbel learning so much from them
@grandmagus8618
6 жыл бұрын
I love your videos.PS that warcraft 3 arthas's cinematic was so nostalgic and hypefull
@Arch61494
6 жыл бұрын
Vol'jin:(to Sylvanas) "I have never trusted you nor would I have ever imagined, in our darkness time, that you, would be the one to save us. The spirits have granted me clarity, a vision. They whisper a name. MANY WILL NOT UNDERSTAND but you must step out of the shadows, and lead. You must be Warchief." I still stand by Vol'jin's last words.
@Sylrissa
6 жыл бұрын
Tiny it's you must step out of the shadows. But I fully agree and choose to believe in Vol'jin vision. How quickly they forget he told us already we wouldn't understand but this is needed
@Arch61494
6 жыл бұрын
Linora fixed it. Thanks. I'm just waiting for blizzard's reveal
@Teemo6544
6 жыл бұрын
The old gods could've been whispering
@Sylrissa
6 жыл бұрын
Of course it's always possible, but that stuff is too played out and I don't believe it. IMHO it would be soooo much better if it turns out his vision was 100% correct and we just didn't understand and needed to have faith in Vol'jin knowing what he was doing.
@Arch61494
6 жыл бұрын
There's also Il'gynoth's whispers: "The boy-king serves the master's table. Three lies he will offer you" and "Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it." Well, whatever it means, we just have to patiently wait for Blizzard to tell the actual story.
@jibblesoftheblackharvest7032
6 жыл бұрын
I feel like the Nathanos moment was just her letting him know that they had no choice and had to destroy the city with the blight so he better get out of dodge with everyone else. As for the bow it could be to give the Alliance false security since she'd be talking unarmed and they wouldn't have expected her to blow the city.
@jamesmoore830
6 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! It just came out 3 minutes ago and already 40 something views, god bless this wonderful man.
@victorpriceputu3949
5 жыл бұрын
Ty Nobell, I no longer play the game, but I love the lore and story, and with your aid I can get my 'fix' and keep up with the story even if I no longer have the time to invest into it.
@howardhavardramberg7160
6 жыл бұрын
Oh my god yes thank you!
@nefelibata4190
6 жыл бұрын
for what?
@igordekiparis
6 жыл бұрын
Question: If Jane cleaned all battlefield from the plague by one frost spell, why she can't clean the Lordaeron itself in the same way?
@jasperfawkes
6 жыл бұрын
spell slots my man. spell slots. she needs a long rest.
@jf8350143
6 жыл бұрын
I think it's a temporary fix, because after you go back to the map, the plague is still there outside the city.
@monkpawfire
6 жыл бұрын
she just froze it temporarily yes
@igordekiparis
6 жыл бұрын
Ok, that makes sense.
@aegoni6176
6 жыл бұрын
Iggy uhm maybe its on *cool* down or temporary fix
@VanAlexi
6 жыл бұрын
I loved the Wrathgate comparison in the corner when the blight was thrown and hearing Jains sing before the first cinematic.
@ContemporaryCompendium
6 жыл бұрын
Damn, that full broadside with the arcane cannons had me cheerin' and hollerin'!!!
@killerexe007
6 жыл бұрын
So let me get this straight. Aliance attacks with overwhelming numbers and is broken and pushed back. Out of nowhere, Deus Ex Jaina appears and saves them. Aliance attacks again and finds itself outnumbered and so they prepare to die fighting. Out of nowhere, Deus Ex void-elves appear and save them. They finally find Silvanas, waiting for them, alone and without weapons and they manage to not only let her escape, they almost die doing it. Dunno, looks like the aliance are a bunch of scrubs, really.
@klaudius3118
6 жыл бұрын
Killer.exe they allways have been!
@IMTHATN1NJA
4 жыл бұрын
Kaechos the greatest enemy to the horde are Murlocs
@MrCaptnrex
6 жыл бұрын
i like how alliance side is all gunho in chat, but horde didn't say anything lol
@johnprice2780
6 жыл бұрын
A God of War reference with the traveling son and warrior. Nice one blizz
@WenderPottery
5 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how the echoes of the lich king are in the dialogue here. "The walls will come crashing down around you "
@AzereusMantor
6 жыл бұрын
I do not understand why ppl say taht Jaina having a flying ship makes no sense.. Mages have a freaking flying city.. made of rocks and dirt.. jaina is using the same spell ona little wooden ship. i trully dont get it why one of the strongest mages in the world ( almost as powerfull as khadgar ) couldnt conjure a little spell to rise pieces of good out of the ground. And she uses the same teleport spell that khadgar uses in Draenor, i trully do not understand what is the problem? they are using the same spells they have been using for 12 years. ( dalaran had a unpenetrable shield arround it... casted by mages.. so if she casts a shield it is withing her range of spels right?... even frost mages ingame can cast a shield, please someone explain why it doesnt make sense that jaina had a flying ship ).
@Aetherian1
5 жыл бұрын
"Almost as powerful as Khadgar" That is not true and has never been true. Your arguments for her using the same mechanics as Dalaran would make sense if Dalaran's defenses weren't conjured by no less than 6 of the most powerful mages on Azeroth. The size of that freeze spell was greater than anything Medivh himself ever managed to conjure. Old wooden battleships weighed between hundreds and over a thousand tons. That's a thousand cars she can levitate at once, alone. She single handedly destroyed an entire city wall of stone blocks, a feat that required Archimonde himself some time to prepare, and even then only to knock over towers, not walls. Archimonde, demon so powerful he alone can burn worlds. The power she displayed in that cinematic was so great it can only be rivalled a few times in the entire Warcraft history, by characters vastly more powerful than Jaina. It's not that what was done couldn't be done in the universe, it's that it couldn't be done by her.
@jakep5451
6 жыл бұрын
*lich queen sylvanas being super serious* GAS MASKS GETCHA GAS MASKS HEEA
@Wawza14Gameplays
5 жыл бұрын
Goblins always know how to lighten the mood don't they?
@chesterninn2013
5 жыл бұрын
Great job with drawing similarities between Arthas's return to Lorederon, and Anduin's arrival. When I went through the cinematic the first time, I didn't recognize those similarities. Thank you for pointing them out.
@Grounders10
6 жыл бұрын
That small Beware, Beware, from the Warbringers cinematic. Chills, all of them.
@typoko
6 жыл бұрын
I would like Sylvanas to become something like Illidan became in WC3 and Jaina is atm. A character above the basic story line that is completely badass but acts on her own. I really don't need to see her as an raid boss as i would rather like her to survive to have a good character in the back pocket to be pulled out when needed.
@LukeTheLaser
6 жыл бұрын
Same. Also it would be soo lazy to just pull garrosh 2.0 so i don't think Blizz will do that.
@typoko
6 жыл бұрын
You do understand that she wasn't behind wrathgate? I suggest watching Nobbel's video kzitem.info/news/bejne/mrBjq6hnh2qTqWk to know what she has done.
@modarnwarfare2rull
6 жыл бұрын
I know, she still allowed a fucking demon to have quite a lot of power which led to this whole fucking mess, she betrayed Garithos after making an alliance with him, although Thrall probably doesn't know about that and on top of all of that, she is undead, which instantaly makes her an edgelord, like practicaly all of the forsaken, who should be purged along with her.
@typoko
6 жыл бұрын
Well Thrall managed to fade away in to irrelevancy few times now. :P
@BrodashMx
6 жыл бұрын
Rexxar for Warchief! thats what i want to see.
@ShaneXbit
6 жыл бұрын
Closed Captioning during this is great. Especially during the scene of Jaina showing up. Hahaha
@Shirraz87
6 жыл бұрын
34:10 THANK YOU!!!
@SuperAsianboy95
6 жыл бұрын
Honestly I don't like the idea that yet another warchief is probably going to either die or leave the hord...on the other hand if it is just old gods whispering all over again I'm gonna chop a ****. Well I just hope they mke the turn at the right point and who knows, the next video suggestion is the story of elune...and now that I think about it...ashara gonna be in this....they also burned teldrasil....elune did that spirit stuff to the dragon...introducing who or what Elune exactly is might be not that bad of an idea... :)
@MrPaksh
6 жыл бұрын
Don't worry poeple right now just can't handle proper wartactics thats all. Say what you want but the alliance lost a lot during the last couple of weeks. Blitzkrieg styl defeat at darkshore, followed by destruction of a major city/symbol while I don'T like the move personally I have to admit holding the city against the incoming alliance troops would have been impossible since Malfurion remained as symbol. Into a crushing defeat at lordaeron keep in mind you need to outnumber your opponent in a siegebattle. So I assume the horde was outnumbered at least 1to5. You could say the current Warchief was able to even the odds.
@android16B
6 жыл бұрын
Everyone complaining about in-game politics that won't matter when Old Gods start to come around, meanwhile I'm pissed at Jaina-Ex-Machin Flying Dutchman
@mesoforte
6 жыл бұрын
Dammit Nobbel, thank you for the wrathgate minishot in the corner. I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees all the parrelels to wrathgate in this.
@TheNerdsTemplar
6 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the Closed captioning commentary. lol
@imperiumgrim4717
6 жыл бұрын
My boy having a organism 😂😂😂
@lesyeuxduciel
6 жыл бұрын
SpecterGhost_46 Thanks for making my day!
@Cbb88dragonborn
6 жыл бұрын
The Jains moment is so hype what the heck they made it so awesome. I’m cool with this new Jaina
@predattak
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that deus ex machina moment at 10:02.. perfect for good stories ...
@markotodorovic7013
6 жыл бұрын
predattak i was about to say "Eagles are coming". It was really really badly written.
@markotodorovic7013
6 жыл бұрын
Oh and 5 minutes later they do exact same thing just this time it's Alleria Windrunner... Fuck me who wrote this story?
@predattak
6 жыл бұрын
Blizzard .. sadly ..
@Hangman1
5 жыл бұрын
cbb88christian Yeah she is in game to show how Bad king this "blondie kid" is and to be next Queen of Ally
@SmallestZovia
6 жыл бұрын
Best story teller of Wow on KZitem ^_^!
@gabrielt.harris8885
6 жыл бұрын
I like how you had other clips playing in the corners for the refferences.
@IlHansenIl
6 жыл бұрын
Funny how quickly the "honorable" Horde leaders back down when Sylvanas threatens them. The lack of spine is really surprising, even for Horde characters.
@balfanghellfire
6 жыл бұрын
Says the edgelord demon hunter.
@Wawza14Gameplays
5 жыл бұрын
To be fair the choice is A: Stay with her and have an actual fighting chance for the Horde as Baine said "For the Horde" with distrust for Sylvanas OR B: Oppose her and her loyalists making a civil war in the middle of an actual war and be left at the mercy of the Alliance AFTER all of the took part in BURNING one of their races' capital cities, leaving them to be the dominant faction no doubt, with huge consequences for the whole of the Horde.
@IlHansenIl
5 жыл бұрын
Wawza - Or, you know, they could have opposed Sylvanas earlier - especially after that whole Garrosh incident (learn from previous mistakes). Anduin is on fairly good terms with Baine and now probably Saurfang as well, so some kind of peace could probably have been negotiated - maybe even still. Instead you chose to view it like its all or nothing and only look at the aftermath instead of the entire thing.
@Wawza14Gameplays
5 жыл бұрын
IlHansenIl I was on board with Garrosh's opinion of her during Cataclysm but they never did anything major to her during Cata But we can't really look at the past they are in too far for that. Also Anduin may forgive but Jaina and Tyrande I doubt it especially since Jaina is out for blood now.
@IlHansenIl
5 жыл бұрын
Wawza - When i said "they could have opposed Sylvanas earlier" I didn't mean go back to when she was a child or even when she got turned into a banshee. I'm talking right here right now as in "Oh shit is she actually gonna burn that tree full of civilians? We should probably put our foot down and not just go with it". "Oh shit did she just gas our own soldiers? And then raise them as mindless undeads? We should probably put our foot down and not just go with it........" It's okay that you feel like defending WoW WWII Germany and WoW Hitler, but you do look a little dumb for doing so.
@runescape12350
6 жыл бұрын
Jaina mvp
@spikegilfer1997
6 жыл бұрын
Manduin has tones of iron when he's pissed off, god damn. Hats off to Josh Keaton. I remember him voicing Peter Parker in Spectacular Spider-Man and how he when from cracking quips to slugging Venom in the face while saying "GET AWAY FROM HER!" while not losing the humor of the former or the presence of the latter and tying both into the character he was playing.
@peterhugyecz1572
6 жыл бұрын
1. Nathanos' voice actor is so cool. 2. If you alliance weren't that lucky we would had won
@1Piecer
6 жыл бұрын
Can you make a Playlist showing all the lore in Order from the start of the novel (Rise of the Horde) or the beginning of Sargeras /titans to the moment of Battle of Azurath? Leave the extra stories/side stories and only focus on main Events in the world. Making a playlist will really pull me and others to start watching them instead of randomly watching videos. Or at least Playlist of the Expansions Events in order from Vanilla to the recent expansion. I wanted to see the events where what really happen in Pandaria but I couldnt find it well so I settled with only watching the 2 videos of Siege of Orgrimmar and the Novel of the court after which annoyed me a little. I know I ask for a lot but for a lore channel, it will be good for us new subs to watch things organized and ease our search which won't weakened our interest when we can't find what we are looking for.
@zwojack7285
6 жыл бұрын
Some things to note: If it wasn't for Jaina the Horde would have won both scenes, the battle in front of UC and in the throne room. Jaina was literally Deus Ex Machina as her arrival was not planned by the Alliance Command.
@Green815
6 жыл бұрын
You don't know what a deus ex machina is.
@zwojack7285
6 жыл бұрын
Oh, don't I? Now let me see: "Deus ex machina (Latin: [ˈdeʊs ɛks ˈmaː.kʰɪ.naː]: /ˈdeɪ.əs ɛks ˈmɑːkiːnə/ or /ˈdiːəs ɛks ˈmækɪnə/;[1] plural: dei ex machina) is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem in a story is suddenly and abruptly resolved by an unexpected and seemingly unlikely occurrence, typically so much as to seem contrived" - Wikipedia Go ahead, tell me how Jaina's arrival on her daddy's ghost ship, armed with arcane cannons ready to blow a breach into the defenders wall, icing the blight on the battlefield, creating a mana barrier for the Alliance Command in the throneroom to protect them from the blight AND teleporting them away into safety WAS PLANNED BY ANDUIN OR FORSEEN BY ANYONE? And then come fucking back and tell me that I do not know what I am talking about.
@LukeTheLaser
6 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? That's exaclty what deus ex machina is.
@Green815
6 жыл бұрын
ZwoJack You don't know what you're talking about because Jainas appearance is expected since she appears earlier in the story to raise the ship. If she has just shown up without us having seen that, it would have been a deus ex machina, but since we see it well in advance, it's not. So no, you don't know what you're talking about, and are just like all the other people that watched a couple of 'analysis' videos on KZitem and think they're somehow experts on narrative design. Well guess what? You couldn't design a narrative if your life depended on it.
@zwojack7285
6 жыл бұрын
If you are such an expert on narrative then go tell me why she showed up in Tirisfal of all places. Who called her? Who told her when the battle would commence? Her appearance was expected by no one, neither Alliance or Horde. The Alliance lost the battle, their fate was sealed if it wasn't for Jaina coming out of nowhere without any explaination on why then and there. Just because we knew she had a ship doesn't mean that everything is suddenly clear to everyone. If there would have been some kind of communication between Jaina and Anduin it would have been fine. It would have been great even because Anduin could have an actual plan that wouldn't be "CHAAAARGE" and then get gassed. Sylvannas had plans and backup plans. Anduin had not. He only had honor. But if you consider that a "narrative", one upholding honor, the other having a plan which gets destroyed by one random element no one could forsee on both sides, go ahead and claim how I "couldn't design a narrative" and enjoy your Garrosh 2.0 as well as Siege of Orgrimmar 2.0. Let me guess, instead of Dark Shamans they will have Dark Priests and instead of RFC they will dig up the Orgrimmar Arena? Sylvannas will empower herself with the Heart of N'Zoth, then get defeated, trialed, escapes and opens an time portal to alternate Northrend to become the Lich Queen and lead HER scourge to conquer Azeroth?
@ari_metal95
6 жыл бұрын
I love the subtitles
@KingdomYasha
6 жыл бұрын
Nobble I love how to added to the Closed Captions TELEPORT EX MACHINAAAAAAAAAA We all on a boat now.
@emilocfc3641
6 жыл бұрын
Okay, im confused wasnt it, Genn's Father that build the wall?? If not i can see your point, but i still think he's right tho, even tho they isolated themselves, I still think he respected the throne of Lordaeron, thats why i think he is so upset, and also feels guilt, he may feel that he could have helped Lordaeron in a way, and I think he respected Lordaeron so much, that just seeing Sylvanas on that throne, is something that fills him with rage, the woman that murdered he's son and people, is sitting on a throne that he maybe respects alot, thats why I think he gets so angry!
@IamtheLexx
6 жыл бұрын
Nope it's all Genn. He was a piece of shit, really. He didn't want to pay for the internment camps or Nethergarde keep and he decided to dump the Alliance and hide behind his stupid wall. And when Lordaeron needed help when the Scourge attacked, he didn't lift a finger. Quote from Chronicles 3: "King Genn Greymane hadn't sent any soldiers to fight the Scourge. He saw the fall of Lordaeron as confirmation that he'd made the right choice in isolating his kingdom from the world." So yeah, his outrage in the cinematic was very inappropriate...
@monkpawfire
6 жыл бұрын
ignore that character development he is warcraft 2 genn and sylvanas is still alive warcraft 3 sylvanas the saint
@Garouwerks
6 жыл бұрын
I think Genn is more than just upset at/with Sylvanas. I get the feeling he also feels guilt. Guilt for allowing the humans to die to the plague, guilt at being so closed off and closed minded for all those years. Closing off those in Lordaeron from the possibility of still being alive. He (in my eyes) is facing the fact that he gave the living no choice sending the living to death, and then undeath. At least a little. So he is now forced to see what his actions created. He just loathes her in general, of course. And lastly, he is a Worgen; and they are just emotional wrecks as it is (-pokes fun at the fur babies-).
@thornwalker4655
6 жыл бұрын
For the Alliance!
@fredsibarney7094
6 жыл бұрын
Thornwalker for the horde
@zeex9338
5 жыл бұрын
FOR THE HORDE!
@dustypoo2209
6 жыл бұрын
The Forsaken went from “being an arrow in her quiver” to the entire Horde
@TheMightySpeckyNerd
6 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Saurfang challenge Nathanos to Mak’gora for the position of the warchief’s champion. Forcing Sylvanas to lose something and allowing Saurfang to force her to behave honourably
@sidetracker3496
6 жыл бұрын
IMO this expansion could be the perfect set up for a "Antagonistic" Alliance Expansion. Imagine this ends much like how MOP ended, Sylvanas going to the choping block and peace "restored". But you can bet the population of the Alliance is royally pissed with the Horde and its leadership. The Horde commits genocide and other horrible crimes constantly and they always seem to get away with it by asking for pity or blaming it on their leader.. well this time Sylvanas' head wont be enough, the Horde will have to be dismantled and a significant portion of the population allong with the military make a coup and remove Anduin allong with all the race leaders from power, instituting an "Empire" that will dismantle the savage Horde once and for all and bring justice to the people who for to long have suffered at its hands. And thats how you make the Alliance drama expansion! We alliance players get new colours a new flag and new gear/uniforms if we side with the coup d'etat (a black and golden yellow pattern?) or we side with the Alliance leadership in exile as a pseudo 3rd faction ruled by Anduin.
@Skollshorties
6 жыл бұрын
My perfect Battle for Azeroth Ending: The Old God N'zoth has risen from the depths thanks to Queen Azshara and with his death and all the harm we did with our war to Azeroth all of the Azerite gathered not completely for healing but instead for war: has left the planet in a state worse than the Cataclysm. Collecting Azerite isn't going to fix things anymore - more is needed and the only answer is out there beyond Azeroth in the Great Dark Beyond. Azeroth will endure for maybe a year or so leaving us to travel out to save her. King Anduin and Warchief Thrall unite the Alliance and Horde under one banner to seek out the aid of the Titans... OR!: Alternatively: Sylvanas, once leader of the Forsaken once leader of the Horde has been stripped of her rank and is only followed by a small number of Forsaken. The Alliance want her dead and the Horde wanted her gone. She lost everything both to the Alliance and the Horde but that wont stop her from uniting the world in undeath and safe from Hell's Gates. She would sail to the frozen wastes of Northrend and claim the Lich King's power for herself, however she was not expecting Bolvar to have awoken and what awaited her was a fate she thought she stepped away from. With his power fully realized and the efforts of the Ebon Blade: the Lich King is stronger than ever and Sylvanas would serve him once more. The Lich King had returned...
@marcelbrouwers1792
6 жыл бұрын
The alternate ending looks really interesting!!
@tobiasmagnusson9461
6 жыл бұрын
I totally agree sylvanas needs to get a fitting punishment. So im hoping for something along the lines of serving Bolvar as you stated
@WyattTriplett
6 жыл бұрын
Were guaranteed a return of the lich king expansion, and the great dark beyond/void will also be a guaranteed expansion, so anything is possible.
@eloricx3010
6 жыл бұрын
Love both endings, except I don't want to se Thrall returning... every decision he made after Cata was shit, and a lot of what he did went against his character (just my opinion). I would love to se someone like Baine or Saurfang in command of the Horde in the future.
@nboi4834
6 жыл бұрын
Let both happen! Sylvanas is exiled, we go to space then when we’re back the Lich king has been doing some business transactions
@Neleaza
6 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Nathanos was the one who released the plague. That was suggested based on Alleria's reaction when she heard a sound that she looked up to but decided to ignore.
@anairsta6507
6 жыл бұрын
the editing it great. It like this is a mini movie.
@haikualex2816
6 жыл бұрын
Saurfang didnt want to strike Malfurion cause it wasnt honorable. The Alliance gangs up on him 20 on 1. Very honorable.
@charleswinters9567
6 жыл бұрын
You seriously expect Blizzard to make it so only one player fights him? lol
@kruskow159
6 жыл бұрын
thats the thing i find confusing about Saurfang, in a war you dont 1v1 he should know it the most. Back on Darkshore when he assisted Sylvanas he regretted it but on a battlefield it would be 'honorable' since malfurion would have died in combat defending his homeland. On top of that it wasnt even a makgora style fight, or a challenge (probably) so him saving he warchief wouldnt be a bad thing. So his 'honor' is so fucking dumb it makes 0 sense
@wymanmanderly551
6 жыл бұрын
Haiku Alex it`s not about numbers, he hit him from behind.
@cara3566
6 жыл бұрын
That is why we didn’t kill him- it was unhonorable
@okdmrz
6 жыл бұрын
Saurfang strikes Malfurion but then doesn't kill because it's not honorable. Alliance strikes Saurfang but then doesn't kill because it's not honorable. Your point?
@J.Severin
6 жыл бұрын
Dont kill another warchief, please! Dont kill Sylvanas! And if if she must step by side, Please find another way then killing her... what are the forsaken without her? #mywarchief
@jimmcphearson7252
6 жыл бұрын
Jens S. Calia Menethil has pledged to harbour forsaken that are not loyal to the warchief. And Sylvanas rewarded those loyal to her such as Vellicinda with death and labeling them as traitors. My undead warlock is sitting this one out.
@vaskopoh9512
6 жыл бұрын
Jens S. They will not stfu
@Zasig
6 жыл бұрын
Nice Video Nobbel - but holy crap these comments from the players while playing the scenario... ^^'
@lox8031
6 жыл бұрын
8:14 That Hearthstone Entry Voiceline pun :)
@iamsyntai2565
6 жыл бұрын
A perfect ending for the expansion? I don't really know. The war of thorns allready bothered me. I would have gone for a different start into the expansion. But for the BFA-Story-Progress/Ending, I would prefer if the alliance would get some morally grey screen time. Maybe Sylvanas again does something big and evil in BFA, so that Anduin goes like: "I cant understand her actions. The madness and cold of death is still too unpredictable for my mind." So he makes a pilgrimage to Bolvar und asks for his help. Perhaps they make some kind of deal. He gets something to deal with sylvanas, even though all his friends tell him not to do it. But he goes full arthas and wants to take on the risk and make a big sacrifice to save the lifes of his people. Then we get a more dark-ish anduin and things might get a bit more interesting from the alliance point of view. In the end he might use his power/artefact to resurrect Sylvanas into a lightforged undead like Calia, so her character wouldnt have to die and we could see some interesting plot twists. Also we could then ask ourselves: What did he have to offer Bolvar in return?
@Goraka91
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe this time have Vol'jin and the Horde be the peaceful ones and Genn's (understandable) lust for revenge causes him to do something that causes war, like attacking the Undercity or such. Wait no we got Garrosh and Theramore 2.0 instead.
@capterson4
6 жыл бұрын
My theory: Sylvanas will wind up brutalizing the Alliance during the war and show that she actually does value the Horde. The Alliance is so obsessed with playing by the rules that they either aren't willing or cannot defend themselves against the Horde. From there, Sylvanas will gain recognition as a Warchief because she brought something to the Horde that no other Warchief since Thrall was able to bring: Victory. Think about it. How long has it been since the Horde has had a big victory? Warcraft 1? Every major win including killing the Lich King and the Siege of Orgrimmar have been Alliance wins chiefly. (Deathwing was less Horde and more Aspects, and even WoD was more Khadgar and the Draenei) If Sylvanas wins, the Horde has reclaimed their honor. How much more morally grey can you get?
@gabe1145
6 жыл бұрын
If this is right I'll sub for a year
@holyflygon
6 жыл бұрын
that massive line of destruction through brill to the undercity reminds me of the dead scar in silvermoon leading to that city. i wonder if thats what they wanted
@Letgoit2
6 жыл бұрын
THe diraction they are going is awesome i cant wait for more
@AnecProductions
6 жыл бұрын
i kinda hate to hear people saying its cheesy, i feel like thats easy to say, but looking past that THE STORY IS AMAZING RIGHT NOW
@Mechowski112
6 жыл бұрын
I just want to kill N'zoth in this expansion
@Stoutshield
6 жыл бұрын
28:52 Indeed, Nathanos is the one to set up the explosions. You can hear the sound of him drawing the bone bow in the cinematic, when Alleria seems to hear something for a moment.
@Rokuns
6 жыл бұрын
Had to join your Patreon since I finally can afford it. Keep doing what you're doing I've loved everything you've put out. Well thought out, well researched, and well played!
@Auriorium
6 жыл бұрын
I am switching from a Blood elf hunter to a Void elf hunter, with only the name reversed.
@gibsmedat6065
6 жыл бұрын
Auriorium Welcome to the Alliance.
@Auriorium
6 жыл бұрын
Gibs Me Dat only joining till Sylvanas gets the boot. Then it's back to the horde for me.
@zeex9338
5 жыл бұрын
Which is dumb considering this is WAR. Wtf do you want her to do, not do anything? We've been in a twelve year war started by Jaina's father, and now she wants to win it. Don't be a sore loser because YOU guys gotta be racist against every bloody horde member.
@silverspear21
5 жыл бұрын
I have already replied to another post by you with the same silly accusations. The Horde invaded Azeroth, they started the war. Garrosh was the racist, he hated all the other Horde groups aside from Tauren. At least the Alliance like the groups that comprise it they do not treat one better than the other.
@zeex9338
5 жыл бұрын
The LEGION invaded Azeroth. But the HORDE is not the legion. The HORDE didn't make the dark portal so they could invade Azeroth, Guldan and Medivh did. GARROSH was a orc hitler, sure. No one's disputing that point. But it was the legion who actually invaded Azeroth, not the horde. The horde that Thrall and Rexxar made is NOT the horde that invaded. THEY wanted to live in peace. And NOW we got a 12 year war because a human racist couldn't tell the difference.
@GeorgeDeen9
6 жыл бұрын
Honor.....NEVER FORSAKE IT!
@SwedetasticGames
6 жыл бұрын
When it comes to Nathanos and the bow, when Alleria looks up due to the sound on the roof, I think that is the signal Sylvanas is waiting for: Nathanos shot an arrow to alert her the ship is in position for her to make her grand escape.
@Cairanmac1
6 жыл бұрын
Pazill-Lightbringer said the exact same thing I said after seeing that cinematic in game. "Jaina Ex Machina"
@Be_Gee
6 жыл бұрын
17:24 couldn't agree more with The Banshee Queen even if I tried.
@wymanmanderly551
6 жыл бұрын
Nawaf The FearBraker Honor can save many lives, just look at teldradsil. What if Alliance acted without Honor in the same way and used Jaina to flood Orgrimmar... Honor stops people from becoming corpses. And saying that Saurfang isn't familiar with death is bullshit.
@Be_Gee
6 жыл бұрын
Also you forget we have the World Shaman and a fuckton of shamans who can stop Jaina from flooding Org, right? right?? And even if she did, Orgrimmar is the livelihood of the Horde, it's stupid NOT to do it if she can...simple. It's not honorless, Orgrimmar is a stronghold, where the leaders of the enemy stay, and many MANY (practically all) horde soldiers are trained there. At least Orc ones. Silvermoon is fair game, Mulgore is fair game, The Undercity is fair game, the Echo Isles are fair game. Those are the Racial Leaders' stronholds and their race's soldier's training grounds.
@wymanmanderly551
6 жыл бұрын
Nawaf The FearBraker "it's stupid and not honorless to kill thousands od civilians" I have no comment Ps. It was said she could do it without focusing iris in Tides of War, if i remember right
@Be_Gee
6 жыл бұрын
Obviously it's thanks to Green Jesus that's what I said -_-* He convinced her to stop, because he still sees her as a friend or as an acquaintance at least. She has the method to enslave water elementals yes, remember Dalaran? But Thrall can talk to the Elemental Lords for fuck's sakes...He doesn't ask the elementals for help, he asks the elemental lords, hell even raggy responded to his pleas. (Yes by threatening him, but at least he gave him the time of day, rather than a simple fire lord popping up like any other shaman). If you read Tides of War then you'll know about the tauren village, it was filled with civilians. It's almost never stupid to kill civilians. Is it honorless and morally bad and all that? Yea, sure. But strategically all those civilians *could* rise up, especially when it's in Teldrassil. (Teldrassil is a natural stronghold, ffs). And we're talking about whether she can or not by assuming there's resistance...If you're talking about her going there without a single person stopping her and she had time to cast her spells, and call the enslaved water elementals, of course she can sink Orgrimmar -_- But when she has resistance, she won't be able to. It's like saying a regular human child can kill Saurfang...Sure if Saurfang stood still and the kid stabbed him with a poisoned knife, or shot him in the head a dozen times he'd die...But if they're fighting? Not a dozen human warriors would take down Saurfang. (Regular guardsmen, not elite named champions). Also where'd you get that quote from?
@Be_Gee
6 жыл бұрын
Also can we cut the Teldrassil burning talk? I've already replied to 30 comments *minimum* in the past couple of days about this subject.
@MyViolador
6 жыл бұрын
Blood elves calling Void elves traitors, so ironic
@klaudius3118
6 жыл бұрын
MyViolador nothing ironic about that ..its the truth..they realy are traitors to the blood elfs and to the horde!
@vaskopoh9512
6 жыл бұрын
MyViolador they are. Void was not meant to be dabbled with they went against the law and paid the price.
@silverspear21
5 жыл бұрын
And Arcane was? It was because of the Elves dabbling in Arcane that brought Sargeras' attention to Azeroth. Blood Elves created Mu'ru not void elves. Void Elves can control themselves, Blood Elves were crack fiends looking for their next fix.
@khinlop
6 жыл бұрын
I was never as excited about story in any previous expansion as I am now!
@matthewhowarthjr7721
6 жыл бұрын
Going off of the dialogue from both the comic of Windrunner sisters and the cinematic in Lorderon's throne room, I think Sylvanas is either being controlled by the Lich King, or sees herself as the new Lich Queen.
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