Answer to the hilltop problem: They didn't attach the cables to the front of the cart train, but further back, possibly to the last cart. It would have been pretty sketchy at first with the necessity of keeping the carts and cable in column but the carts were on rails, making it possible. That probably contributed to the early accidents,
@trek520rider2
2 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid in the 50s Kildwick gasworks hauled in wagons from a railway siding using a stationary engine and cable on a curved track. There were vertical rollers to keep the cable along the track. it was incredibly slow, we once lay in the track while the wagon passed over us! Edit. Now I think about it I never saw them send an empty wagon back, the track must have sloped up towards the engine house so a wagon could roll back under gravity. All signs of this are gone now under another industrial estate.
@1slandB0y77
2 жыл бұрын
A surprisingly interesting video about a piece of history I knew nothing about. Thanks. :-)
@robinatkinson6275
2 жыл бұрын
Well done the gang ,nice video explanation truly professional.A little gem in the history of railways Thanks 👍👍👍
@petermach8635
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent ...... thank you, yet another of the engineering riches that this country is so well endowed with ....... that I knew nothing about, bravo !!
@laurenbourne727
4 жыл бұрын
this is great! proud to live here and the best part is seeing fred chatting! 😂
@jamesgoacher1606
2 жыл бұрын
The first question regarding how the (6 I think) carriges could get up and over the crest of the hill. Attach the rop to the last arriage which pushes the othes up and over he top. I was really disappointed when this video had to end.
@cletusspucklerstablejeaniu1059
2 жыл бұрын
Every once in a while, I'm so inclined.
@3niknicholson
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Nice production, clear and well narrated. Cheers.
@mondodaftasabrush
3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video Wow the aerial footage made it so clearer of how much you don't see when walking the trail. I remember going on a school walk 1976 ( Timothy Hackworth ) where we sat on those stones and had a picnic at Brusselton and played on the milk bridge Great memories , great work by the Brusselton Incline Group to keep its heritage alive.... shame about the stone thieves It makes me want to come back ( home) to Shildon to visit ..... doesn't the old works look a thriving place now
@millomweb
2 жыл бұрын
A local narrow-gauge railway near me (Ravenglass) - I was getting Google maps URLs of the termini turntables - and noticed the line extended more than it does today. In fact I also discovered Dalegarth Station is NEW ! and the line originally went to Boot Station ! The bit to Dalegarth stn, was a tramway - which extended to mines !
@crazyhorsetrading8655
2 жыл бұрын
fantastic video, thank you for the upload. Its a real shame that so little remains of this system, I would be so amazing to see the original engines that where in service both stationary and rolling stock...................... progress, a dual edged sword
@SteamCrane
2 жыл бұрын
Very well done!
@fredflintstoner596
2 жыл бұрын
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?
@GilbMLRS
2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't that from fawlty towers?
@fredflintstoner596
2 жыл бұрын
@@GilbMLRS DON'T BE ALARMED THAT'S JUST THE SOUND OF MY WIFE LAUGHING !
@GilbMLRS
2 жыл бұрын
@@fredflintstoner596 Didn't I get a quote or am I the dumbass now?
@seerofallthatisobvious1316
2 жыл бұрын
Just don't mention the war.
@fredflintstoner596
2 жыл бұрын
@@GilbMLRS HE'S NO RAT ! HE'S SIBERIAN HAMSTER MAN IN SHOP MAKE SPECIAL PRICE
@MrDanoconnor
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent Video, thank you Very Much. Very Educational . George and Robert Stephenson were without a doubt "the light at the end of the tunnel" concerning al things to do with Trains and anything related to the Railroad.
@scientious
2 жыл бұрын
18:00 How did they fill the reservoir with water? They probably used a windmill driving a well pump. This technology dates back 4 centuries before the incline was built. 18:44 How did the cars crest the peak? The easiest way would have been to attach the end of the rope farther back than the middle of the train. If desirable, they could have used multiple attachment points. The other methods are a bit more cumbersome because they require chocking the train, slacking the rope, and manually changing the attachment point (or moving the rope to a forward pulley) before hauling over the peak. 19:12 How did the rope manage the curve? This one is pretty easy. They used large pulleys (like spools) on the inside of the curve. The technology for this was also 4 centuries old. And although you didn't ask, these would also have kept the rope from dragging on the ground and abrading which would have worn it out too fast.
@pdloder
2 жыл бұрын
I think to get the cars over the crest, the rope would first go to a pully on the far side of house, and possibly the same for the cars on the downward side. As for pulling rope around a bend guided pulleys would be employed.
@glenncawthorne9134
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this informative and very interesting presentation. I had planned to visit from Australia earlier this year but what happened happened. Friends from the area sent me this link to whet my appetite for next year, the year after or perhaps the year after that. Well, one of these days!
@millomweb
2 жыл бұрын
Quite a lot of history in the NE of England - for instance, the White House (farm) and the Stars and Stripes of the Washington (Hall) family crest. Sunderland really did have a lightbulb moment - before Edison !
@davehitchman5171
2 жыл бұрын
the pulling wagons up and not having issues about trains having short vertical cables and trains hanging down the slope is easy, just attach the rope to the last wagon not the first. As for the angle issue then maybe there was a cable guide
@microbusss
2 жыл бұрын
only a few USA railroads used stone ties like those thats pretty cool those stones are still there
@johncunningham4820
2 жыл бұрын
These days nearly ALL Railway sleepers are Pre-stressed Concrete . Good thinking back at the time .
@microbusss
2 жыл бұрын
@@johncunningham4820 they still use creosote ties in USA
@treemanduh5558
2 жыл бұрын
In regard to the question of how did they go around the curves, they might have used a technique that was used in a logging incline on the Yosemite incline railway shown in this video, the curve discussion starts at 15:10 point. kzitem.info/news/bejne/wmqV036rjGuIipg
@colvinator1611
8 ай бұрын
Excellent video, very interesting history. I wonder if the William Bouch mentioned was related to the Mr. Bouch of the Tay bridge consructoon in the 1870's ? Thanks a lot. Colin ( Wakefield ).
@shildontelly8456
8 ай бұрын
Hi. Yes, they were brothers. It was a shame that Thomas is most remembered for the Tay bridge - only takes one catastrophe to ruin a reputation doesn't it.
@colvinator1611
8 ай бұрын
@shildontelly8456 OK, thanks again. Even in those pioneering days, there were great financial pressures and time constraints.
@godfrypinch2917
4 жыл бұрын
Mark Bell loves this.
@simonf8902
3 жыл бұрын
At what point did the locomotive take over the train ? Excellent work with this vid ! Google earth gives a good view of the inclines too.
@ProspectstudiosCoUkBFD
2 жыл бұрын
At the sight of Shildon works I believe (where Hackworth ind est is)
@kkenny1272
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. And why it should be named Shildon and Stockton Railway
@duxberry1958
2 жыл бұрын
( Miles ) in the UK ..
@gregrsvr3947
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, what's with this Kilometre stuff ?we're British ffs, road signs will give you a clue.
@millomweb
2 жыл бұрын
I just ignored the foreign information.
@SandCrabNews
2 жыл бұрын
I see where the idea of the Tehachapi Loop may have originated.
@johnbattista9519
2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful presentation.. did they have a condenser to recycle the water ? Lol
@SLCompulsion
2 жыл бұрын
The heat needs to go somewhere. You can't use the pond water to condense the steam or soon the entire pond might be boiling. That might be Ok, like a huge hot well of feed water for the boiler. I wonder what the effect on the earthen pond walls would be. Anglers could catch their fish already cooked !
@johncunningham4820
2 жыл бұрын
That's a NO . Total loss steam systems back then . That's why , even later types of , Locomotives had to stop and refill the Boiler periodically .
@tauncfester3022
2 жыл бұрын
So... No answer to how the tangentially aimed engine and rope sheave house pulled coal cars on a curve near the bottom of the incline?
@ccosford2882
3 жыл бұрын
My name was Dent
@millomweb
2 жыл бұрын
What is it now ?
@godfreypoon5148
2 жыл бұрын
Answer to the two final questions: The rope was enchanted. Answer to the first question: The reservoir was enchanted.
@philiptownsend4026
2 жыл бұрын
They were serious engineering questions.
@justinmorgan2126
2 жыл бұрын
it were, were it... jeez..
@cyclic2696
2 жыл бұрын
At 3:36 why ever is the measurement in KM?? We're British and use MILES! Let others work it out if they need to, use what's standard here (do you think Stephenson used kilometres?) The narrator talks about 1100 yards and elevations in feet!!
@simonbone
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that Britain has failed to convert its road signs to use kilometres despite years of getting ready to do so (the "yards" are actually metres; there are markers every 100 m alongside motorways; all construction done to metric specifications only, etc.) doesn't mean there's any good reason to use these legacy units anywhere else.
@Briselance
2 жыл бұрын
The measurements should have been given both in imperial units and metric units. It helps making the conversions more easily.
@rhys3200
4 жыл бұрын
nice video, interesting history. But being under 50, I find it hard to relate to yards and feet it's a shame it couldn't have been described in metric measurements - we've been using them for a number of decades now!
@shildontelly8456
4 жыл бұрын
A fair observation and duly noted Mr Angry - shall be borne in mind in future
@glenncawthorne9134
4 жыл бұрын
Being Australian I found myself struggling to keep up with yards on the inclines and feet in elevations. We changed to metric in 1973 and did so completely, there are no lingering mixed measurements as in the UK. That said, you may well have helped preserve a few deteriorating synapses in my 66 year old brain as I did the maths. Thank you.
@5thnorth
3 жыл бұрын
If God had wanted us to go metric, there would have been ten Disciples, not twelve!
@neiloflongbeck5705
3 жыл бұрын
I hope you don't drive in the UK as speeds are give in miles per hour and distances are given in miles and yards. I'm also under 50 and have no problems with Imperial units, although my compulsory schooling was all in metric.
@rhys3200
3 жыл бұрын
@@neiloflongbeck5705 I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "I hope you drive in the UK" but nevertheless, I still wish we would convert properly. The only place where imperial is used is inside my car. When I run, I run in kilometres, when I cycle, I cycle in Km, when I measure my DIY, I measure in metric, when I buy dry goods, I buy in Kg and g, when I try to lose weight I think in metric. Outside of driving, imperial measurements are totally meaningless to me, this isn't about right/wrong, good/bad - I'm just stating a fact, the only imperial measurement that I have any kind of frame of reference for in my mind is miles (and the associated MPG, MPH). If you say "14 feet" you may as well be saying 14 potatoes, I have no cognitive frame of reference for it. Sure, I could look it up, google makes that easy, but my original comment was intended as a polite reminder that there are now a couple of generations of people for whom imperial measurements don't immediately mean that much, it kind of disturbs the flow of a video to pause it and google the measurement so I can put it into context. I really enjoyed the original video, I meant no offence when I suggested the measurements could be stated in a more meaningful way.
@semitonethefirst
2 жыл бұрын
A minor point. The line was built well before Victoria was queen so those intrepid pioneers were not Victorian but Georgian
@shildontelly8456
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, very true - we realised that on the day we premiered this video but it was too late to remake by that point so now we just look a bit embarrassed each time we hear that bit.
@semitonethefirst
2 жыл бұрын
@@shildontelly8456 sorry I didn't mean to cause any embarrassment
@millomweb
2 жыл бұрын
@@shildontelly8456 Good grief, all it needs is a minor edit - and the volume turning up !
@PJRayment
2 жыл бұрын
@@shildontelly8456 Just do what I've seen on other videos: Put a bit of text on that screen at that point saying "Georgian, not Victorian". It may not look terribly professional, but then neither does getting it wrong!
@pennalanetmd7522
3 жыл бұрын
For ideas of how the rope incline worked you had best go to bowes railway and have a look at how it was done there, hint rollers and guided rope way
@kwinterburn
2 жыл бұрын
exactly
@RussellNelson
2 жыл бұрын
The pond? It filled with rain initially, and after that, they used tank cars to carry water to the top if rain was not sufficient. The rope? It was attached to the rear of the train, effectively pushing it up the hill, not pulling it. Keeping the rope in line? They used rollers to the side of the track mounted on posts that were probably wooden piles, long since rotted away. The Barclay Incline in Pennsylvania used a similar system.
@vsvnrg3263
2 жыл бұрын
good answer! "pushing" from the back would have made it easy for hackworth's safety mechanisms to be fitted.
@jackx4311
2 жыл бұрын
@Russell Nelson - annual rainfall in tha are is less than 30 inches per year. I don't know how deep that reservoir is, but allowing for the fact that it would also be subject to evaporation through the warmer months, and leakage, to get it filled by rainfall inside a couple of years might be pushing it. It could have been filled by tank wagons - but I've never seen any drawing, picture or written description of tank cars that far back, let alone used on the S & D inclines. An Artesian well seems a far more likely proposition.
@richardhealy8911
2 жыл бұрын
I lived in the Engineman's cottage for 4 or 5 years in the late 80's. Fond memories of my time there in a close little community. Fred (seen on the video) is a character but his dad Jack was even more so. This clip is brilliant. Much more visually informative than the stuff I've previously read. During my time there the Engine House was actually featured on the then £5 note. It was always amusing to tell people that my house was on a £5 note and, of course, nobody really believed me. I may still have a copy of the Northern Echo clipping from the time explaining the railway heritage when the note was released
@tomhoward1996
2 жыл бұрын
I saw a similar setup in a coal mine museum in Scranton PA. The car went down a 350 meter tunnel, then made a significantly curved turn to the final stop. There were three horizontal pulleys along the track that changed the pulling direction of the cable.
@tonyusher4598
2 жыл бұрын
Top of the incline problem. I would suggest the rake of trucks would be attached to the hauling cable in the centre of the rake. Thus at the summit half of the rake would be beyond the summit, hence balancing the load and permitting a safe transfer to the descending cable prior to onwards transit down the far side.
@TheKubelman
2 жыл бұрын
be very proud of this film and the industrious people it commemorates
@PJRayment
2 жыл бұрын
Mostly agreeing with some others on the answers to the questions: 1) The reservoir is _not_ "built near the crest of the hill", but near the crest of the _incline._ When a railway goes over a hill like this, it goes over a 'saddle', a low point between two hills, and this is the case here. So there is actually higher ground on both sides of the line from which water could be collected. If for some reason this is not possible, and water had to be brought in by other means, it would almost certainly be by pump (powered by the engine house), not by tanker wagons. 2) I reject the multiple suggestions of the rope being attached anywhere other than the end of the rake of wagons nearest the engine house. Where could the rope be attached to that wouldn't be foul of the other wagons in the rake? The only real option (if not at the engine-house end) would be on a pole attached to the last or middle vehicle, but i) that pole would have a lot of strain on it and likely break, and ii) the video indicates that the wagons were not in fixed rakes, which means every wagon would need such a pole in case it was the last(/middle) one, and the poles on the others would then foul the rope! No, the rope must be attached to the uppermost wagon. A rope connecting the ascending and descending rakes is impracticable, as the two rakes are too far apart (one at the top of the incline, and one at the bottom). The best option I can think of is the one explained in another comment by *MajorMagna* , where the rope goes via a pulley past the crest then back under the drum. While on this point, consider how the system worked. A rake of wagons (A) goes down the east side at the same time as another rake (B) comes up the west side, with rake A assisting in pulling rake B up. When rake A reaches the bottom and rake B reaches the top, where are the ropes? NOT in position to lower rake B down the the east side. Instead, the ropes would be disconnected from _both_ rakes, then attached to (mostly) empty wagons heading west, one (C) at the bottom of the eastern incline, and the other (D) already waiting at the engine house. Then rake D would assist with hauling rake C up to the top of the incline. Notice that the plan at 4:20 (which it would be good to see all of) shows a passing loop under the drums, with one track for east-bound wagons and the other for west-bound wagons. Only once those west-bound rakes (C and D) had traversed their respective halves of the inclines could rake B descend the eastern incline, with that now hauling another rake (E) up the west side. 3) As *Sam E* points out, the rope has weight and it will sag more the further the wagons are from the engine house, and be carried on rollers between the rails. However, I doubt that the curve would have been sharp enough to require rollers on vertical axes. Rollers for such cables are like stretched-out pulleys, perhaps a foot or two wide, with the ends higher (larger radius) than in the centre (smaller radius). I suspect this would have been sufficient to guide the cable around a gentle curve.
@ccosford2882
3 жыл бұрын
I was born in Brusselton in 1946 . My grandparents lived there and an aunt and uncle. Grandfather was an engine driver
@simonmcowan6874
2 жыл бұрын
That was brilliant, I've immediately subscribed, I researched an unknown incline in Shropshire for a horse drawn coal waggonway, I must get round to putting it up on u tube.
@royfearn4345
2 жыл бұрын
I look forward to seeing that.
@shildontelly8456
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, please send us a link when you do. I've visited a fantastic incline in that area a couple of years back.
@millomweb
2 жыл бұрын
If the hauling ropes were attached to the top of the bottom wagon (or 2/3 of the way down the train) with the winches placed just above wagon height, it'd be easy to get the wagons over the hill. A pulley on a post could be used to get round the corner.
@derekstuart5234
2 жыл бұрын
I think that Robert Stephenson was George's son, not his brother... Also George was mid 50s by the time the S&D opened, which for the era is not what you would call "a young man." He also was not relatively unknown, but had gained quite a name as an engineer, designing a safety lamp for miners, maybe as many as a dozen steam engines and had several patents in relation to engineering, not least of which was a way of making iron more robust. Please do not think I am knocking this video as I am not and I mean these factual corrections only in order to help. I acknowledge it is a volunteer production and, aside from the above (and the use of metric) it's a really very good and enjoyable video.
@SorinNicu
2 жыл бұрын
1. Uphill portion: Probably the wagons were not pulled from front wagon (like in the video), but by the rear one, with the rope going over the whole train. In this way, some of train wagons could be pulled over the top of the incline, stopping in balance. 2. Downhill portion: The rope probably was guided by the tracks themself so it would go "round" those curves. The weight of the rope, and the angle of descent, would make the rope lay on the tracks, even when under pulling tension.
@johncunningham4820
2 жыл бұрын
That would depend PURELY on Topography . And would be a Bad thing for the Rope itself . I think Idler Pulleys is more likely .
@MajorMagna
3 жыл бұрын
Regarding the questions: It's entirely possible that rather than running the rope directly from the drum to the wagons, it may have been threaded through a pulley (either at track level or off to the side) slightly over the crest of the hill, and then run back under the drums, this would allow the wagons to crest the hill, hopefully to a point where the load could be chocked in place, and levered forward with pinch bars (or even horses or manpower) to start the task of lowering them down the other side. This pulley would also assist in ensuring that the rope "re-wound" onto the drum correctly off the curved section towards Shildon. As for ensuring the rope doesn't cut across the curve, Sam E pretty much has the right idea, it's likely (given the radius of the curve) that the rollers there would have been positioned vertically, to keep the rope on one side of them.
@alanrobertson9790
2 жыл бұрын
Agree about the rollers for curves. You see that sort of thing on cliff railways. My theoretical guesses from my arm chair having no connection with the actual physical reality! would be why not have a flat bit at the top of the incline where the wagon train would be under neutral weight. As for the pond at the top of the hill you could have a bore hole with the steam engine operating a pump. Something common in mines at the time.
@markcharles4373
2 жыл бұрын
Rope spindle guides between the tacks had to be added to suit the lay off the land. An opporater had to follow the cars with a pole to guide the rope in.
@hughdanaher2758
2 жыл бұрын
The incline in Hong Kong has rollers on vertical axles to keep the cable close to the track.
@hootsmon4723
2 жыл бұрын
Well that was very interesting, even tho ,I Only stumbled across this by accident lol.
@Axgoodofdunemaul
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I particularly enjoyed hearing the narrator's accent, which I've never heard before.
@nlo114
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video thank you. This fills in some gaps in my knowledge of early railways with drone-shots and B&W pics that I had not seen before. As for replenishing the head-water for the engine house, perhaps they had daily tank-wagons that used full coal-wagons going downhill to counterbalance them going uphill: Full wagon = full tank, empty wagon = empty tank. (As per Welsh slate incline).
@jandoerlidoe3412
2 жыл бұрын
Well narrated & beautiful footage...
@tolkienfan1972
2 жыл бұрын
If you attach the rope to the back of the train, the front car can be past the peak while the rope still has a useful angle
@D3cyTH3r
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I know industrial revolution stuff gets labelled as boring, but that's only because we are still so close to it historically (the 'boring/irrelevant' window exists -ask most people and 'history' only starts to get interesting when you go back 500 years or so). 07:28: I can only imagine the wonder these people felt at seeing wagons being drawn without horses for the first time. Using steam engines was completely revolutionary - a real leap forward after thousands of years. The guys who are so passionate about preserving this part of our history are actually unsung hero's. In ~400 years this 'early steam stuff' will be of global importance, preserving it will be a nest-egg future generations will be grateful for.
@johncunningham4820
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing BORING about this stuff . The sheer Ingenuity is sometimes ASTONISHING . This was actually fairly straight forward Heavy Engineering .
@michaelhart7569
2 жыл бұрын
Well told story of one of the most important events in the history of not just England, but the world. And beautiful visuals. You can always tell the English countryside within seconds. You must have waited quite patiently for weather that good.
@wavestherules558
2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see the whole line reopened so i could cycle from Staindrop to stockton , the rout is still there but taken and blocked off by Farmers . County Durham is covered in old rail lines and it could bring tourists to the county to Cycle through our countryside and see our history and God forbid bring bring some welth back.
@rachelcarre9468
2 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic video! Beautiful scenery.
@Cpt1nsano
2 жыл бұрын
Simple, attach the cable on the lowest car, that way by the time the cable is taught, the train will be over the crest. As for the reservoirs, a steam pump could keep them full.
@88njtrigg88
2 жыл бұрын
Then you reverse the sheave for the descent. Is this correct ?
@shildontelly8456
4 жыл бұрын
Alas, KZitem closed the webchat at 10:30 - but do feel free to add comments here. Especially your theories on the 3 'puzzles' (we have theories on these but no certain evidence has been found yet to support them). Also - bonus points for spotting at least two errors we made in the script. Thanks to everyone who joined for the premiere - and a huge thanks to everyone who helped make this. Totally a volunteer effort by enthusiasts. Have a great day celebrating the 195th anniversary of the S&DR everyone.
@ValeriePallaoro
2 жыл бұрын
Asking that you 'pin' this to the top; so people can play the game. One of the errors was defn. spotted by a commenter .. I'll have to go through and search out the other one.
@alexanderguesthistorical7842
2 жыл бұрын
In regards to the rope pulling the train up the hill, the rope must have been attached to the BACK end of the train. There would then not have been any trouble pulling the front of the train right up to the crest of the hill, directly underneath the engine house. Also, I believe the mechanics are such that if the rope was attached to the front of the train, as the train approached the winding house, there would have been an increasing proportion of the energy created by the engine trying to pull the front of the train up into the air, thereby "wasting" energy. Which points to the rope NOT being attached to the front of the train. Going round the curve of the course of the railway, one can only speculate that there must have been a series of heavy posts mounted on the inside of the curve mounted with pulleys for the rope to sit in, thereby keeping the rope from traversing across the open fields as the train went to Shildon. And the most obvious solution to filling the pond was to use the railway itself and fill coal wagons with water, and either take them to the pond on top of the hill by means of the engine itself shortly prior to opening, filling the wagons with water from the river (probably by bucket brigade??). Those would be my guesses anyhow, if they're any use.
@CJrun
2 жыл бұрын
Back versus front is brilliant; riding OVER TOP of the train. Then the Engine House Pulley merely reverses as the last car crests the hill and the rope spools out as a brake.
@jsaurman
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with all three of the suppositions. And although the engines of the day were unable to pull six wagons filled with coal to the top of the hill without help, they probably could have hauled one wagon filled with water to the top. They would just need to repeat that dozens of times to fill the pond. I think it was noted that the pond was much smaller on opening day than it is now. Another possibility is they built some sort of berm to funnel rainwater from a much longer area into the pond temporarily, then when the pond was full, disassemble the giant funnel.
@CJrun
2 жыл бұрын
Again, agreed. But our great, great grandaddies were very smart. It would have been a simple matter to attach lines to cars descending the hills, as brakes, that helped the static engine pull following cars up to the top. Those earliest static engines could probably have pulled much more, once the first cars started downhill on the other side. The curves are a puzzle, but our gg-grandads definitely saw the power available from the descending cars. Scheduling, not horsepower.
@PJRayment
2 жыл бұрын
Where on the last wagon (of an ascending rake of wagons) could the rope have been attached? Almost every possible location would then require the rope to go _around_ (or through) the other wagons in the rake. *CJRun* suggests going _over_ the other wagons, but this wouldn't work for a couple of reasons: 1) the rope (even under tension) would sag and end up riding _on_ the other wagons, potentially catching on them somewhere and causing them to tip or derail. 2) To avoid this, you could mount it higher, but that would require a pole on the last wagon that held the rope well above the other wagons. But there would be a lot of strain on that pole, and it would likely break. Further, the video indicates that the wagons were not in fixed rakes, so _any_ wagon could be the last one, which means that they'd all need poles in case they were the last one. In which case you now have poles on the other wagons to catch the rope on. I have my own separate comment in which I support MajorMagna's suggestion on solving this problem.
@SDE1994
4 жыл бұрын
19:12 is the easy question to answer, for starters look at videos of the Bowes incline, you will see rollers in the track, as the rope extends with the wagons further from the top, the weight of the rope slacks enough for it to sit on the rollers, these rollers are a common feature of inclines. if the track goes round the curve, the roller will be at angle opposite to the direction of curve or vertical for the rope to wrap around them. the thing about pulling the wagons over the top, inclines would normally have enough room inbetween the rope drum and the top of the incline for the length of train to get over
@AdamOpie
3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful documentary!
@rodbriggs9615
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, beautifully produced and very informative. I knew nothing about this incline so thank you for your efforts.
@chequeredflagracing
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I was up there yesterday reading the signage. Now I need to revisit and do the walk
@TonyLing
2 жыл бұрын
My guess is that the cables fed down the side and then up in between the tracks. From there on, they were guided by rollers.
@davidb3172
2 жыл бұрын
My gran had a friend who knew the railway history here and we visited the incline in the late 1980's. The rails and chairs were removed for scrap during the 1926 miners strike. My grandparents lived in Witton Park before moving to Bishop Auckland. A stone floor with gas lighting.
@jp-um2fr
2 жыл бұрын
It's not easy to understand how this tiny island became the biggest empire the world has ever known or probably ever will do. That is until you see the start of the journey. Excellent video.
@JayFude
2 жыл бұрын
Now I want to see if I could contact that obvious Ham Radio setup at that engine house!
@andrewripley7461
2 жыл бұрын
Would qualify for "Railways on the Air".
@fircombehallrailwayoogauge1430
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and well presented. Excellent photography, particularly the aerial shots.
@apxpandy4965
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting story, well presented - thanks
@johncunningham4820
2 жыл бұрын
On the Ascending pull , perhaps the Rope was attached at the BACK end of the Skips . This would push them through the Winch House prior to the to the rope being too far from horizontal . Where was the Reservoir fed from ? A Large Water-Wheel lift-pump may have been able to maintain supply . I can't find a handle on dealing with the Curve . Maybe the Deputy Project Director was one Mr H . Potter Esq . lol . Probably Idler Pulleys to hold the Rope . Fascinating Victorian , Industrial Revolution , Construction and Engineering . Really enjoyed watching this .
@Muck006
2 жыл бұрын
There is nothing like "the engineering mindset" of "here is a problem, come up with ways to solve it" ... which in todays world is becoming ever rarer.
@mmneander1316
2 жыл бұрын
"The Engineering Mindset" -- yes !!
@robertbate5790
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and informative, thank you. The visual experience is excellent too. I lived in Newton Aycliffe for ten years, 81-91, and I was a member of the Hackworth Society Model Railway Club for a number of years. I never visited the inclines, but knew of them and their significance. The model club began in Hackworth's shed at Sheldon. One of the members had a factory unit at Furnace End and accommodated us there for a while before we moved again to Daniel Adamson's coach house on Shildon High Street. The last project I was involved with was a representative model of Shildon station and the junction to the works. Sadly I lost touch with the club quite quickly as communication was not as now, and life overtook me. Thank you to you and your colleagues for what you are doing to keep some better parts of history alive.
@laurenceperkins7468
2 жыл бұрын
Most likely there were guides for the rope to keep it pulling parallel to the tracks. Otherwise you risk both derailment and getting your rope tangled in the who-knows-what you'll find out in the fields to the inside of the curves. Similarly, a simple set of anchored pulleys at the top of the hill would prevent lifting the cars off the track as they approached the crest by keeping the rope down low. You either put the pulley a bit to the far side of the crest, or attach it to the middle of the train to get things balanced nicely at the top. Probably the latter unless trains were always a fixed number of cars. Stopping runaways by derailing was a decent first attempt, but really it's better to have brakes on the cars for all kinds of reasons anyway. For something like this a simple wooden wedge in a bracket would suffice for the ascending side such that if the car rolls backward the wedge jams the wheel. For the descending side you'd have to be a bit more fancy. Probably something with the cable tension holding the wedges up so they drop in if it breaks. Or, given the era, just pay a few of the children who were always riding on the cars to man the brakes on the downhill side since they apparently had nothing better to do anyway.
@robertforrester578
2 жыл бұрын
Just plain old good work Brother. Thanks from Philadelphia
@Jimmys4AU
2 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful area; I would love to be able to visit there from the US one day. The stones left there now provide a wonderful connection to the past, which doesn’t really seem that long ago; but I can scarcely imagine the lives of the people that used them. Very interesting.
@carlsaganlives6086
2 жыл бұрын
Back then, unfortunately, a 'geologist' was a shell of a man who carried rocks back and forth all day.
@paulbriggs3072
2 жыл бұрын
In 1834 a much larger inclined plane was opened on what was the longest railroad in the United States at the time and only the third in existence. This was the Ithaca and Owego Railroad in the eastern Finger Lakes region of Central New York State. The railroad was only around 30 miles long running from the village of Ithaca, NY at the south end of Cayuga lake, to Owego, NY 30 miles southward on the Susquehanna River. The inclined plane began right at the edge of the village of Ithaca and ascended over 600 feet! There were actually two incline planes at Ithaca which was steep at the lower end and change in grade partway up. By means of a hemp rope and windlass, the cars were let down to the village from the hill above. The lower Inclined Plane. Ithaca-Owego Railroad 1834 - The History Center in Tompkins County - New York Heritage Digital Collections (oclc.org) There is also a number of accounts of the railroad including an original first hand account of a man who was only 11 when he drove horses pulling cars on the railroad in 1837. Here it is with the Ithaca and Owego accounts beginning a short ways down the page: Vintage Railroad Pictures: February 2020 (cnymod.blogspot.com)
@tobystewart4403
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic stuff. Very well presented.
@mickwalton7571
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and well done to all. From a Darlingtonian.
@Stewart.fryers
Ай бұрын
I moved to Shildon 2 years ago, and I’ve just come across the page and it’s brilliant. I’ve walked the dogs from the station up to the Brusselton Bridge. I love local history
@shildontelly8456
Ай бұрын
This area has a wealth of historic stories to enjoy. Glad we're helping you to enjoy it.
@Shelfandtabletoplayouts00gauge
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, thorough and riveting production, thanks.
@garthl2954
2 жыл бұрын
What a magical trip I have just been taken on in a part of Britain I may never have considered visiting!! Thank you!!👍
@lionellines5758
2 жыл бұрын
Great Video - thank you. Very similar operation to the Allegheny Portage Railroad that was part of the Pennsylvania Canal system. Built around the same time.
@parkerwitton9774
4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant production narrated and wrote very well!
@1Three8Fiver
2 жыл бұрын
This hasn't received anywhere near the likes or views it deserves, thankyou so much for this upload.
@stevenmutumbu2860
2 жыл бұрын
Stumbled here I love it had to subscribe.
@millomweb
2 жыл бұрын
Well I've seen it now - so it looks like YT is onto it !
@millomweb
2 жыл бұрын
At this quality of content, there should be a series covering the whole line. And yes, it should be completely reinstated as close to what was there originally latterly - i.e. the use of the tunnel rather than the incline but the incline should still be evident. It should not be forgotten that Mumbles railway was the first passenger railway.
@michaelcoghlan9124
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this very important history., An no I cannot answer your questions on the pulley problem.. Interesting!
@AndrewGruffudd
2 жыл бұрын
From a purely engineering point of view, it seems to me that a series of pulleys would have been used to bring the bulk of the wagons over the summit of the hill, as in a cable car system. This will have served, too, to keep the naturally straight tautness of the rope aligned with the curve of the track.
@prep0wer
2 жыл бұрын
They grappled the rope on the last trolley, not on the first, water well?
@JoeL-re1dc
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed..... If they pulled at least half the cars over the crest, gravity would assist from there.
@ncdave4life
2 жыл бұрын
What is that piano music? (Very nice, BTW!)
@philpots48
2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful!
@DFDVP
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks i enjoyed the video, i still understood the imperial measurements, cant offer any solutions to the questions , sadly i am not mechanically minded
@kwinterburn
2 жыл бұрын
the Bowes railway is a very good example of an incline and .... in the winding house is a salt water power controller for the electric motor that's there now, that alone is worth looking at,
@DickHolman
2 жыл бұрын
Early electric locos used that technology as well. :)
@hg60justice
2 жыл бұрын
pulling the back car would get them over the crest. do you know or assuming they pulled from the front car? could even brake it at the over balance point and change ends to go down again. interesting before real locomotives started showing up. to have a stationary engine doing the work. egyptians knew of steam but not how to exploit it. thanks for the historical look.
@johnoffenberg6487
2 жыл бұрын
Pulling from the middle coupling (of 6 cars) could also help yet minimize the issues of pushing rail cars on curves.
@pambrown8697
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, such pretty countryside.
@philbowles3240
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating!
@craigdavidson2278
2 жыл бұрын
As an expat, I love/hate looking at British history videos......it makes me "home sick" but also sad knowing what will soon be removed. Thank you very much.
@RaysRailVideos
2 жыл бұрын
Very good however Overton did not survey a route for railway lines at first his idea was for a canal to be built and his first survey was for a canal but this idea was dropped when the pease family got involved and suggested a wagon way instead like those at Tanfield
@eugenegilleno9344
3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic - I live not far away in Heighington, and have ridden my trails bike at the old Busselton quarry, but had no idea of this history. Thanks, great stuff - I’ll have to go for a look 😜👍🏼
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