"holy places burning" is Teldrasil. It was holy to the Night Elves
@Nobbel87
4 жыл бұрын
Yeaaah fair point, there was the whole temple of elune that went up with Teldrassil... Did more holy places burn?
@BoHenry
4 жыл бұрын
If I had known this comment was going to get attention I would have put more effort into it 😅. That's the only place I can think of that actually burned. Thank you for your channel! It is the main reason I've stayed invested in WoW as a franchise.
@C00Cker
4 жыл бұрын
Also Cathedral district of Stormwind comes to mind? Didn't burn down, but was burning as well
@Gimetlock
4 жыл бұрын
@@Nobbel87 What about Dazar'alor? I dont think it gets any more holy than that for trolls
@randomaccount-dq1jq
4 жыл бұрын
Shadowlands trailer was revealed in November.... What place was burning alot during the month prior ..... Goldshire and the most holy of places in Azeroth The Lions Pride inn by the Headless Horseman.
@Karlonstark
4 жыл бұрын
Nobbel: The part about our holy places burning, that didn't happen. Teldrassil: Am I a joke to you?
@Mrree250
4 жыл бұрын
Tyler nothing of value was lost
@Karlonstark
4 жыл бұрын
Mortem Rex wat about all da big kitty cats 🐱?
@christopherchuauhang4829
4 жыл бұрын
Mortem Rex sure lives are not valuable at all.
@Rexwar31
4 жыл бұрын
Christopher Chuauhang you are beginning to understand
@Cicadicsaint204
4 жыл бұрын
@@Rexwar31 You are beginning to sound like Stalin lmao
@LDaemontus
4 жыл бұрын
"Kill him, too" "Gladly." The voice acting is gold.
@ImAzraa
4 жыл бұрын
Yeaaah man, totally with you there That "Gladly" came with a sadistic, malevolent, yet dignified tone. The voice actor made a great delivery
@smiledog3975
4 жыл бұрын
Wc3 voices are far great compared to WoW
@martinivanov1319
3 жыл бұрын
@@smiledog3975 a lot of the npc models too. wow kinda lost the more savage, brutal, serious and scary look of wc3.
@Kaminkaese
2 жыл бұрын
He went from "Oh no, i can't kill my brother!" To "Hell yeah, f**k this guy" really fast 😂
@gulver8693
4 жыл бұрын
Still wish the Taking of Undercity from Wrath wasn’t taken out. Maybe as a scenario that could be started in the Seat of Knowledge like other scenarios.
@RileyRivalle2
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but they'd still have to dig up the old Undercity, which is the reason it was taken out to begin with. I don't see them making the effort for an over a decade old quest.
@caboose.20
4 жыл бұрын
@@RileyRivalle2 what do you mean old Undercity?
@7amaniR
4 жыл бұрын
freezaplanet419 They had to redo Eastern Kingdoms to enable flying in Cataclysm. The person meant pre-cata Undercity
@Ninjaoptix
4 жыл бұрын
@@RileyRivalle2 They dont need to "dig" it up. They already have it, they have a live classic version of WoW so they clearly have all the old map data and assets.
@RileyRivalle2
4 жыл бұрын
@Zac Scott Don't you realize how much "digging" they had to do for Classic, though..? There's a reason it was in DEVELOPMENT, not just a copy-paste client. :D And WotLK Undercity isn't quite like Vanilla either. Like I said, it wouldn't be too hard but it wouldn't be worth the effort for a single old quest either.
@holyhelo5speak
4 жыл бұрын
Varimathras has more voices than I have in my head
@aznomaslife
2 жыл бұрын
Relatable
@ConnorNotyerbidness
4 жыл бұрын
Im still pissed about how horribly wasted he was in legion. And his voice acting got such a downgrade. "Welcome to my kingdom of darkness" still sends a chill down my spine
@imperius88
4 жыл бұрын
"I'm always on the winning side." Was always my favorite line of his. It's so badass. He's either boasting his cunning in allegiances or boasting his power in saying his side wins simply because he is on it.
@totallylost7683
4 жыл бұрын
I would love if he said something hinting at the jailer.
@PhoenixArceus15
4 жыл бұрын
@Ryan W That was the part that got me the most about it, actually. He's been tortured for years, is barely alive - and still isn't broken, is still a nasty asshole to the Shivarra, still gives the players premonitions that haunt them even YEARS after the fight. Imo it was done pretty well.
@WHATISF3AR
4 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for the old God that landed on an asteroid. He be all like " I got a rock" and he would have to be his best old God self and corrupt the hell out of it. " Behold! My black.... um..... AREA!"
@lolface1865
4 жыл бұрын
I just love this comment
@mrenygma181
3 жыл бұрын
I know "I got a rock" was supposed to be all depressed like Charlie Brown, but honestly I read this situation more like Invader Zim. Tiny little delusional Old God named Z'him, clinging to his void-scarred rock hurtling through space, cackling maniacally. "I AM Z'HIIIM!!!"
@AveInstinct
4 жыл бұрын
ok now we reached that point were we can say: Sargeras did nothing wrong
@LordProteus
4 жыл бұрын
He did quite a lot wrong. Could have accomplished his goal without making himself look like a huge threat and burning everyone to death and turning people into Demons. If he just told us there were Old Gods screwing with Azeroth and helped us kill them everything would have been fine. We didn't even need his help after-all so imagine how quick it would have been if he did help. He must have wasted so much time and magic fighting wars of eradication on planets that probably would have did what he wanted if he'd just not been a big evil Demon Guy raining fire all over the planet.
@ultraaxolotl6906
3 жыл бұрын
@@LordProteus it has reason ya know Old gods were corupting azeroth When titans realized that old gods corrupted too much and if every old god dies Azeroth will die So they decided to imprison Since azeroth was counted stronger than sargeras and if it will be Void titan it would end universe Sargeras feared this so he recommended just kill every sleeping titan but pantheon said No So ye
@dropit7694
2 жыл бұрын
This whole game is about communication problems. If characters had an extra line of dialogue between them that conveyed actual useful information it would all look very different
@yodaonketamine5706
4 жыл бұрын
Arthas to the dreadlords after the legion invasion: Bad news, you can't live here anymore
@alessiopagni7230
3 жыл бұрын
By the time of the Nathrezim’s campaign quest in 9.1 there are just too many things that don’t make sense, i mean it’s clear that the jailer created the lich king and now we also know that the Nathrezims have always worked for Denathrius and so for the jailer, so why would Balnazzar, Detheroc and Varimathras wanted to kill Arthas and destroy the lich king, and why Arthas convinced Illidan to kill Tichondrius?
@AchillesofOblivion
Жыл бұрын
Ner'zhul aka OG lich king was rebelling ... Or something
@shirohige291
7 ай бұрын
Yep, this hapoens when you throw out all og blizz metalhead employees and replace them with gen z people who don't know which toilet to choose and never understood vanilla lore. Kek
@reaper7910
4 жыл бұрын
"With this paltry force you mustered, a direct assault on his walls would be suicide." Me: whosyourdaddy
@Vespasiaan
4 жыл бұрын
First of the Fallen don’t forget warpten
@Holyrelic1279
4 жыл бұрын
love how you use the classic wc3 instead of the reforged ones.
@imperius88
4 жыл бұрын
As if they made much difference
@SilentSpringz
4 жыл бұрын
Cuen Funderburke just not to anger toxic people. Sure game us a buggy mess and wished for more. But it looks good.
@imperius88
4 жыл бұрын
@@SilentSpringz its toxic to be disappointed and let down by a failed remake? Sorry I guess
@LichlordKazam
4 жыл бұрын
@@SilentSpringz Sure, i look good too. But i don't have alot to offer.
@henfelsen4884
4 жыл бұрын
@Ryan W an personal oppinion has nothing with glasses or lack of brain. You are the one lacking the idea of people having diffrent taste. some people like high quality games others like pixel games and others inbetween. no need to make yourself stand out like a fool
@skeletor959
3 жыл бұрын
Sylvannas “I won’t sacrifice my freedom by shackling myself to you fools” Also Sylvannas *Shackles herself to the jailor sacrificing her freedom*
@Oreomeister
4 жыл бұрын
This made me miss legion.
@carmagadon11
4 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for him to get the Xe'Ra treatment, so he can turn into a sarcastic lightforged bat with an existential crisis.
@iljasidlun1952
4 жыл бұрын
Remember that time when Sylvanas was an anti-hero but still had honor and love for her people? Or when Kael'Thas was a good guy? Good times, WoW butchered the best characters. . .
@davidwilson2916
4 жыл бұрын
I think you're giving Sylvanas a little too much credit, my guy. She never truly cared for the Forsaken - they were merely 'arrows in her quiver', tools to be used against Arthas. Even when she strove to secure their survival, it was only in order to prevent her eternal damnation by having them be her 'bulwark against the infinite'. And even if she really DID care about her people's future, I don't think that absolves her of the callous and brutal actions she committed during Warcraft 3 - wanting to protect your people is good, but not if you put everyone else on the chopping block to do so.
@joseonwalking8666
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidwilson2916 that is rewritten nonsense
@jeevesgeech6836
4 жыл бұрын
kael was never ''good'' he was selfish to an extent but he cared for his people he was easy to manipulate cause of the sunwells issue but making him a downright villain was to out of no where
@iljasidlun1952
4 жыл бұрын
@@jeevesgeech6836 When was Kael'Thas selfish? He voluanteer to help humans reclaim Lordaeron and was misstreated abused and almost executed by Marshal Garithos, he only wanted to help his people, so he indeed took help from Vashj and joined Illidan. He never did a selfish thing as I recall, and Blizz turned him into a comical villain, who's evil for sake of being evil. . .
@CosmicCubensis
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidwilson2916 In that same story where she calls them arrows in her quiver, she realizes like two chapters later she does care for them and doesn't want to see them wasted in a suicide campaign. Sure, she wanted them to protect herself, but it's obvious she still cares about the forsaken. Then BtS happened and that all got thrown out the window.
@shadowplayfx
3 жыл бұрын
23:31 "...and the shattered mask hangs above your hearth" Wait, did he actually mean the Helm of Domination and broken veil above the Northrend?
@AphoticGoblin
4 жыл бұрын
Omg now I feel bad for Detheroc “We could have ruled this land *together* “
@Ashod00
4 жыл бұрын
"the LORE works in mysterious ways.." smoothly done, Nobbel..
@kaneslives
4 жыл бұрын
Gets tortured by 4 skimpy demon ladies with 6 arms for nearly a decade. Not bad.
@HowlingDysphoria
4 жыл бұрын
Insert "Ugh I wish this was me" meme
@silviafox78
4 жыл бұрын
Time flows differently where he was tortured... it could have been centuries!
@DagothDaddy
4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind if shadowlands has small references to the legion,titans and old gods but I really hope the main premise is separate. The whole theory about the jailer being a dead titan is interesting but I really think they need to expand the story beyond that we can't keep having every expansion be " it was titans/demon/old gods the entire time"
@RileyRivalle2
4 жыл бұрын
Can't we, though? Because every expansion has been that. Literally every single one. It works as long as they're writing it competently, but that particular department has been lacking lately...
@DagothDaddy
4 жыл бұрын
@@RileyRivalle2 but how long can they keep that going? The Titans are sealed away and The old gods on Azeroth destroyed every question about them has been answered. To just jump between those two every expansion will get very old. WoW lore is great when there is speculation and mystery. Even if we encounter new old gods it wouldn't interesting because we know they are just parasites instead of these unknowable ancient beings that exist outside the cycle of life and death.
@AnthonyJClink
4 жыл бұрын
@@DagothDaddy we still do not have anything about the shadow lords. We have seen a few of them and we know the old gods were sent by them... but they are the evil the burning legion wants to stop. I feel we need to talk about them rather than the old gods strategies.
@DagothDaddy
4 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyJClink I get what they where going for with The void and everything but it's just not very interesting. It's mostly just The Fel but purple and gooey instead of green and on fire
@SasukeTheCursed
4 жыл бұрын
Well thats sort of the lore from the Warcraft books. All of these fundamentals are what give the world its structure. Hell the void itself connects all of the Blizzard properties together to make the Blizzard Universe. Or if you don't count Heroes of the Storm the it still connects Starcraft and Warcraft since the Dark Templars and Void Elves both use the power of the void.
@jamisonhigh3784
4 жыл бұрын
Do Tichondrius. I named my dread-tortoise after him.
@lolface1865
4 жыл бұрын
I am Mal'Ganis... I AM A TURTLE!!
@hadimmp110
4 жыл бұрын
imagine how blizzard's remake Warcraft 3 is so bad that ppl choose the orginal game to make videos :)
@jkoh93
4 жыл бұрын
i remember they said the demons do come back by themselves, but the spirit of argus speeds up that process. cant remember where though
@fumarc4501
4 жыл бұрын
If I have wings. Why am I always walking?
@ninoperisi2210
4 жыл бұрын
I can't remember ever seeing a dreadlord fly
@JasperDD
4 жыл бұрын
Transmog runs deep
@Player-rv8ph
3 жыл бұрын
I guess he is actually fat XD
@XxHrallundeadrogueXx
4 жыл бұрын
"Im always on the winning side" "Not Really" *Shadowlands* "Well we havent seen him yet but yeah hes prob actually on the winning side :P "
@havnt3782
3 жыл бұрын
He's the red soul that kills the arbiter
@nps86
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Nobbel, have you ever considered uploading to spotify? I know I would definitely listen to your longer videos more frequently, if I didn't have to run youtube. *RIP battery life.* Thanks!
@RileyRivalle2
4 жыл бұрын
You could convert and download some of his videos to audio files ahead of time, it'll be almost like an audio book. :D
@GearShotgun
3 жыл бұрын
Why was Varimathris so scared of being killed by Sylvanas if he could just come back to life. She wins and he gets on all fours begging for mercy. It's not like she could have permanently killed him.
@klonvomhaus
4 жыл бұрын
The forge could be a Tothrezim.... I mean... Canonically they are the forgers of the race, right?
@DemonMaluMintus
4 жыл бұрын
Thry are now head cannon/rpg lore i believe
@duo317
4 жыл бұрын
"but before we do that" Was glad it wasn't a raid shadow legends ad
@matthewmeehan7817
3 жыл бұрын
Changing the thumbnail of a 9 month old video for clickbait. Im dissapointed in you nobbel. Twas nice while it lasted.
@Nobbel87
3 жыл бұрын
ey? this thumb was used since the start
@matthewmeehan7817
3 жыл бұрын
With the jailer background? Ive seen this before on this account and it came through my recommended again. Props that you actually still reply to comments. You're lore videos are still top notch but I remain skeptical.
@TheWieldofrost
4 жыл бұрын
11:08. Sylvanas totally did not learn from that and did the same thing in Burning of Teldrassil when she decided not to finish off Malfurion immediately XD
@Ultimaton100
4 жыл бұрын
Blizzard’s writing has definitely gone downhill significantly over the last decade. They went from writing investing story arcs with compelling antagonists to predictable and dull plot lines with fan favorites just whacked with the villain stick and turned into cartoonishly incompetent baddies.
@Nethrezar
4 жыл бұрын
Y'all just know that Varimathras was getting pegged by Sylvanas on a regular basis back in the day.
@puremaddeathyesiam4204
4 жыл бұрын
That only happen on the moon guard sever LOL
@moonrazor2039
4 жыл бұрын
Nice vid. Also WC3 Refunded PTSD. Pls Nobbel
@mikkelnpetersen
2 жыл бұрын
No matter what one might say about the games and movie, Warcraft always had amazing lore.
@Razyeldev
3 жыл бұрын
why would Varimathras try summoning Sargeras if he was on Denathrius and the Jailer's side all along, wouldn't it make more sense for him to wait until Sylvanas became warchief and side with her once she started working for the jailer ?? i honestly don't think he's defected from Denathrius but w/e .. i know Blizzard is pulling all the story moving forward out of their .... creativity
@shirohige291
7 ай бұрын
Yep, this hapoens when you throw out all og blizz metalhead employees and replace them with gen z people who don't know which toilet to choose and never understood vanilla lore. Kek
@adi7941
3 жыл бұрын
Varimatheras was my grandmas favourite dreadlord
@AlmazKar
4 жыл бұрын
I think Blizz will retcon Dreadlords, them being from Shadowlands.
@dr4gonfire
4 жыл бұрын
just 1 i wanna see in the next Exp. that is motherf** Broxxigar!!!
@velk2897
4 жыл бұрын
Broxigar is already done I think
@greyworld6242
4 жыл бұрын
Shadowlands better be worth all the this build up.
@petercarioscia9189
4 жыл бұрын
It won't be.
@Unitos_
4 жыл бұрын
I'd start lowering your expectations now honey.
@generationtpaul
4 жыл бұрын
Cautiously optimistic is my approach to Shadowlands. Try not to hope for anything, because that's just more potential for disappointment. Wait and see what the alpha and beta brings. I'd even advise you not to preorder if you haven't yet.
@hereisjonny5710
4 жыл бұрын
19:41 Is this Tobirama's voice actor or?
@NetherCrafterSMC
4 жыл бұрын
But Nobbel one of our holy places did burn aka Teldrassil :D, also the world soul just speeds it up although maybe Argus can stop there souls from obliterating themselves when their in the nether and still resurrect them
@krazzboltz5788
4 жыл бұрын
And this is why i changed from Horde to Alliance, after the world event during WOTLK (The Battle of Undercity) my leader Varimathras died.
@Player-rv8ph
3 жыл бұрын
To avenge him and help him reclaim his power, you secretly sneaked into Alliance that will in the end be the primary enemy of Sylvanas. Clever.
@natholex
4 жыл бұрын
I'm confused. When Arthas killed Sylvanas, he wasn't the Lich King yet??
@stefankick7000
3 жыл бұрын
Arthas was a death knight then. When he got the helm, he was together with nerz'hul and then the lich king. :D At that time were he killed sylvanas, he got only frostmourne.
@AnnedolfFrankler911
4 жыл бұрын
Bring back Arthas!
@DarkJSN
4 жыл бұрын
I hope we see Mal'ganis in Shadowlands. His fate was never confirmed ;)
@Galin1993
4 жыл бұрын
He was on the Burning Shore
@mihaimax2180
4 жыл бұрын
I want to hear ner'zul talking to the dreadlords about malganis Lich king voice:No please dont punish me master,it won't happen again,ill be a good boy
@Lehmannation1923
3 жыл бұрын
Triple agent Varimathras
@springbreak2021
2 жыл бұрын
Maaan this could have all been so cool
@jaratt85
4 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one that "watches" these while playing WoW and pretty much no other time? **edited, bit of dyslexia there
@castin7918
4 жыл бұрын
I watch whilie playing but i also put Nobbel on in the backround while i sleep
@jaratt85
4 жыл бұрын
@@castin7918 well at least you don't watch him while touching yourself :P
@castin7918
4 жыл бұрын
@@jaratt85 bold of you too assume my life choices
@lynxerz
4 жыл бұрын
@@castin7918 well, fuck
@hullzor970
4 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, these make mountfarming (running through old raids) fly by. :)
@xcvsdxvsx
4 жыл бұрын
0:32 - 0:50 I've heard this story before. Oy vey.
@trymeout1091
4 жыл бұрын
Is Teldrissal considered a holy place? :O "Your holy places will burn..."
@sophiejones7727
4 жыл бұрын
yes, to the Night Elves. Also, Zul did set fire to Stormwind Cathedral, although there was no permanent damage.
@TheHelLDriver999
4 жыл бұрын
A weird question,if he was tryin to summon the big boss in undercity without books or wells or anything,does that mean some strong dreadlord can go in some corner noone cares about and summon sargeras or an army without a care?
@flamelash8668
4 жыл бұрын
"And the broken mask hangs above your hearth and then you will know" seems like a reference to the fact that sylvanis was going to break the lich kings crown
@SasukeTheCursed
4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely loath what the writers did to Sylvanas. And why the fuck can't they come up with anything besides "her der hoard bad!" Seriously we've had 2 evil Horde rulers and the mistakes of pretty much every Warchief have been called out constantly. Meanwhile you have the Alliance and all of the shit their leaders try to pull are pretty much swept under the rug. Tyrande's racism towards other elves? Completely glossed over. Both Tyrande and Malfurion's actions against Illidan even though he was a damned hero that sacrificed everything and by extension the Illidari as well. Totally glossed over. The Alliance doing fuck all during Arthas' Siege of Silver Moon and their lack of action to when the Scarlet Crusade was out murdering innocent Forsaken. Never even mentioned. Jaina outright suggesting Varion should murder all of the Horde leaders right after they just worked together to dethrone Garrosh? Yeah not a word about that fucked up shit. Greymane setting out on a mission to try and kill Sylvanas in the middle of the burning Legion's invasion? Yeah great fucking time for a personal grudge. Most of Sylvanas' actions I agreed with because they made a lot of sense and I could see where she came from with everything she faced. But then out of no where they just make her go absolutely crazy and evil because they need an evil person! God forbid one of the alliance leaders be the bad guy for once. Jaina would be an excellent choice because again she was fucked up enough to suggest murdering all the Horde leaders right after they teamed up to finish Garrosh, which includes her friends Thrall and Voljin, likely Rexxar as well.
@safakalteh1772
4 жыл бұрын
"I believe his name was Garabon or Gilithos or something. Human names all sound the same to me" that piece man! gets me every time =)))
@silverspear21
4 жыл бұрын
How people just now claim that Sylvanas has changed is beyond me. They need to go play WC3. Sylvanas' character was changed in WoW to what it was in WC3. Her sudden BFA character is not really new if you played WC3.
@senshy290
4 жыл бұрын
silverspear21 ok simp
@alexandruv.3390
4 жыл бұрын
If Demons are immortal outside the Twisting Nether then why the hell would he join Sylvanas so she could spare his life ?? Ah...plot holes. This recon about demons totally fked several storylines.
@heartless2147
4 жыл бұрын
I wonder how Varimathras would interact with Nathanos. Him being the love interest of Sylvanas while Varimathras was with her from early on. He would probably troll him by saying "I know her better then you ever will. All those years of going over plans, among other things. She has a lot of spirit that one." He'll probably come back if the fans want it enough, Blizzard already ruined the lore with Light Undead so having a Dreadlord soul in Shadowlands wouldn't be too much stretch nowadays.
@Amandor2011
4 жыл бұрын
Nathanos already has been with her for much longer time, he went to the Undercity in Cata so it's like 5 expantions compared to 3 with Varimathras
@ClippyChop
4 жыл бұрын
Amandor that’s not even including the time they spent together when they were both alive either. Nathanos knows slyvanas fairly well
@heartless2147
4 жыл бұрын
@@Amandor2011 True but Varimathras was with her when she was at her most vengeful. Nathanos knew her when she was alive and mellow and from Cata onwards when she became what we know her as now. The time when she and Varimathras were partners was when she was at her most raw, who knows how many plans they made together before his betrayal. Varimathras would use that to troll Nathanos and his love for Sylvanas.
@randyisftw
4 жыл бұрын
i loved old sylvanas so much. sooo fuckin brutal and sooo metal. She was a beast. She's still a beast but she's too corrupt now. Her agenda is too selfish. I felt like she was seeking vengeance for her people back in these days and it was very humble. Now she's a dictator, i don't fux witchu so ur gonna die. xoxo
@burnbobquist8999
3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the god old days, where Blizzard did not chose to turn the Forsaken into absolute Jokes, make theire Liberator a traitor and fuck up everything they build...
@404-Error-Not-Found
Жыл бұрын
"Or will it be slightly adjusted?" Blizzard, proceeding to recon the entire game.
@supramusic9667
4 жыл бұрын
Damn i wonder why this channel doesn't have 1 million subs
@mac4491
3 жыл бұрын
Lol little did sylvanas know she's been getting played and shackled by the jailer since she got enslaved by arthas. It is hilarious how now she basically willingly follows him because she knows she has fucked over anyone else who would actually accept her with her own free will. One of the worst character arcs I have ever seen.
@Final8oss
2 жыл бұрын
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer... Lady Sylvanas in TBCC.
@nickdavidelijah
3 жыл бұрын
I thought nerzhul used his power to push frostmourne out of the block of ice? But here it says some random hero cut it out? Or am I misunderstanding? Anyone plz
@Papashaft
4 жыл бұрын
He and tichondrus wasted feels bad man
@aka_Ingmar
4 жыл бұрын
Still to this day, I hate how they are making her evil. A real redemption arc is all we wanted and they gave us this. *SMH*
@dorkydragon5055
4 жыл бұрын
Boo! Let people be evil! Illidin redemption arc and green Jesus is bullsht SMH
@aka_Ingmar
4 жыл бұрын
@@dorkydragon5055 but then it is just garrosh 2.0. if you want an evil person make it Genn Gremane. Just not horde for a change
@silverspear21
4 жыл бұрын
1. Sylvanas was evil since the beginning of WoW so this idea of them suddenly making her evil is only for those who have not played WC3. 2. Genn being evil makes no sense. The Horde were formed for destruction and carnage. The Alliance were formed to protect themselves from the Horde. Why would Genn be evil? 3. If you do not want your faction to look like the bad guys then do not play that faction.
@aka_Ingmar
4 жыл бұрын
@@silverspear21 I'm not gonna go into why I disagree but as for the "don't play that faction" part. I don't care that it's my faction that is "evil" it's just boring story writing when it's always one side that does the same thing and the other is shown as "the Golden child" having the alliance be the problem would show that they aren't perfect like we already know they aren't. It would make for good story telling because anduin would have real decisions that effect his own people.
@silverspear21
4 жыл бұрын
@@aka_Ingmar " having the alliance be the problem would show that they aren't perfect like we already know they aren't." If you already "know" they are bad then why do you need them to tell more stories showing they are? The biggest problem with the player base and the faction wars of who is good or bad is this. The Horde has done evil things in the name of the Horde and it was ordered by the main Horde leader. The Alliance has never done something evil in the name of the Alliance and never was an order given by the King to do something evil. The Horde are evil, get over it. You would not be playing Horde if they were not the bad guys. You play Horde most likely because you want to be cool and play the bad guys. Give examples of why the Alliance are bad. I can give you the entire history of the Horde and 99% of it would be them doing bad things.
@kimarvidsson2364
4 жыл бұрын
I just hate that sylvanas have so much to do with so much lore so even the dreadlords cant have a story without her And her still being alive makes me just not like playing for the first time in 15 years to save the lore kill her and make it as painfull as possible.
@ajunta2270
4 жыл бұрын
This made me miss Warcraft 3 and its awesome storytelling and voice acting.
@_apsis
4 жыл бұрын
”the shattered mask” well we know what that is now, we know what the betrayal thing is now, we know what ”holy places burning” means now
@PhilipIIofMacadamia
3 жыл бұрын
I use to love Sylvanas. She was so strong and willing to do anything for her new and old people. I know she's got a deeper plan to mess with the jailer but... I dunno.. her evilness has just gotten too evil
@baronvonwolfin4215
4 жыл бұрын
does anyone know where the twisting neather is? is it just the name for outer space? is it a planet called the twisting neather. that always confused me and i feel like iv never been able to get an answer...
@leaflotus6726
3 жыл бұрын
WAIT is the shattered mask....... (Oribos is the main city so hearth)
@natholex
4 жыл бұрын
You do great work Nobbel. But it'd be great if you used pronouns less. For those of us who don't know the lore sufficiently, it gets very confusing as to who you are referring.
@XpsyZ
4 жыл бұрын
Don't you think the Nathrezim have relations to the Venthyr and Castle Nathria? Maybe that race originated from the Shadowlands.
@nrm224
3 жыл бұрын
Not bad.
@LoseAlotLuke
4 жыл бұрын
This makes me feel really sorry for Ner'zhul, man went through literal hell
@Ashod00
4 жыл бұрын
Yea props to Nerzhul, til this day i think he's the only creature to deceive "the deceiver". TWICE! i don't think that gets enough credit
@legion4698
4 жыл бұрын
What I don’t get is why varathras is a coward on Azeroth, he’s not in the twisting nether so he wouldn’t die and the dreadlord world isn’t blown up yet
@danieldemoya6759
4 жыл бұрын
What happened with the part about the alliance, who betrayed who??
@NightBane345
4 жыл бұрын
Leave it to Nobbel, on making the story weave nicely together, while keeping to the real Warcraft cutscenes/cinematics. A true fan of Warcraft
@Kaminkaese
2 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for a kyrian skin for Bastion (overwatch) :D
@here_bedragons
4 жыл бұрын
...the thumbnail...if...if this spoiled who the jailor is for me because of a goddamned thumbnail I’ll be fucking pissed. I love learning details I missed in the game & reviewing lore...but ...I have to tell KZitem to not recommend these videos to me anymore. Aaaand I’ll need to tell others who hopes to avoid spoilers to avoid this channel for a while >.< Nobbel...I love ya man, but honestly I expected better.
@Nobbel87
4 жыл бұрын
lol, no spoiler there. It's the shadow image of the jailor from the blizzcon presentation + an image of Varimathras.
@DRock1042
4 жыл бұрын
honestly Sargeras did nothing wrong lol
@ThanhTriet600
3 жыл бұрын
Where does Varimathras say those lines at 24:00? I've done Antorus a hundred times and never heard that before.
@123antiker123
3 жыл бұрын
w3 is so hardcore retconned it's sad that reforged did not update the lore/interactions between heroes, such a wasted potential
@KibaWolf04
4 жыл бұрын
WHEN does Varimathras give that speech in Antorus?? I've ran that dungeon several times on all difficulties and have NEVER heard him say that speech. I only know it exists from data mining. Has anyone actually heard it in-game??
@Nobbel87
4 жыл бұрын
Which one? The one from the alliance seeds of downfall is the audio i grabbed during recording him in antorus on alliance char. Haven't gone in on horde char but imagine hide of bones plays when they engage him.
@KanarTheHusbando
4 жыл бұрын
It plays whenever you approach his room. Both Alliance and Horde lines play there once you jump down to his prison. It might not play if you are using stuff like stealth or invisibility but I am pretty sure it still works!
@iyonhanmaduro1402
3 жыл бұрын
Nobbel87 Do you still have Warcraft?
@GhostRat__
4 жыл бұрын
Holy places were burned nobel u forget darnassus was a huge holy place
@zirconiumzealot6613
4 жыл бұрын
I'd really like to see an updated version of Lilian Voss's lore! Also this vid is great
@mrgbulldozer1384
3 жыл бұрын
Wait so The Burning legion were actually good?
@kyubii972
4 жыл бұрын
You think the holy places didn't burn in battle for azeroth? I seem to recall a really big really important tree being burned to the ground. Pretty sure the night elves thought it was quite significant to them culturally. Otherwise I'm not sure what Tyrande is all butthurt about.
@Player-rv8ph
3 жыл бұрын
The World Tree, Nordrassil?
@henfelsen4884
4 жыл бұрын
Ironic how arthas hate for orcs and the fact that the lichking is/or part of nerzthul
@borkbork3513
4 жыл бұрын
Dreadlord sounds
@DetectiveBarricade
4 жыл бұрын
*sounds of agonizing, tortured screams, followed by a wet thump* "And that concludes our demonstration. Any more questions?" "Don't worry about the fine print. The soul consumption clause is never exercised."
@monkeysk8er33
4 жыл бұрын
I really genuinely think they excluded Varimathras from Legion on purpose. I think Sargeras placed Varimathras somewhere, OR the Nathrezim have always been double agents for the Void, seeing as how it was a Nathrezim, on an Old God dominated planet that corrupted Sargeras. Hopefully he shows up in Shadowlands.
@RileyRivalle2
4 жыл бұрын
Correction: he wasn't excluded from Legion; the Antorus raid is what Legion ended on. And also Sargeras wasn't "corrupted" in the way the term is used in Warcraft, it was in full control of himself the entire time.
@monkeysk8er33
4 жыл бұрын
@@RileyRivalle2 whoops, wrong Nathrezim. I totally meant to say Mal'ganis!
@RileyRivalle2
4 жыл бұрын
That makes way more sense. ^^ Mal'Ganis WAS summoned to Azeroth on the Broken Shore, though (when Gul'dan piled up all the baddies so we had to flee). Anything after that is fair game for speculation.
@Infergal
3 жыл бұрын
They're gonna turn Anduin into a banshee and he will be redeemed by the light
@miraalnilam9540
4 жыл бұрын
broken mask....we sure this isnt LKs crown?
@Lil_vara
3 жыл бұрын
Who’s the big giant dude behind the jailor
@drb333
3 жыл бұрын
Who the fuck is Barrybathnus?
@eliteheadhunter830
4 жыл бұрын
Hey man I doubt you will see this but I thought something while watching your latest video. With the upcoming shadowlands expansion isn’t it very likely that the jailor is linked to the old gods or even the void/ shadow itself. We don’t know how long sylvannas has been in contact with him so isn’t it reasonable for her to have been in contact from the start. She is the one who is pivotal for ruining many of the burning legions plans. She has powers which no other banshee has, I mean she literally possessed her dead body and has been able to sustain it completely and then she starts using shadows itself. She has been in contact with the jailor since her death and has no doubt planned many times to free him or further his influence. There is so much that his involvement in her story would fill.
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