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Sumia's role is to be Chrom's personal taxi so he can fly around and annihilate an entire army
@NotsilYmerej
6 ай бұрын
8:53 I think her endings where she leaves the Shepherds because she neither has a chance with Chrom nor needs to be a soldier of war is her moving on. She’s not stuck pinning over a guy she can’t have!
@candybunny2462
6 ай бұрын
It's like IS was banking on both Sumia and her pairing with Chrom to be popular and when the reception ended up being lukewarm, they just quietly swept her under the rug since her fellow pegasus knight, Cordelia, ended up being one of the breakout characters of awakening.
@borjankosarac3645
6 ай бұрын
And then they made even more egregious cases of unrequited love, because they seemed to think that’s what we liked about her… *le sigh*
@Ninjaananas
6 ай бұрын
They inadvertently made us root for Cordelia.
@generalbutterscotch4887
6 ай бұрын
You know, for a ship the devs were clearly pushing to be canon, you'd think they would have given them a less atrocious support conversation. If she ends up with anyone in my playthroughs, it's usually either Gaius or Robin because of how much more adorable her chemistry with those two is compared to Mr. Lord no.14 over here.
@eleonorepb4565
6 ай бұрын
In general the writting of the romance between the lord and the pushed love interest is not great. My theory is that they only writte it because they are forced to do but don't actually have anything to do with the two characters together so it end up boring while the other romances for the lord were added because the writters considered that the two characters could have an interesting relationship thay deserved to exist
@borjankosarac3645
6 ай бұрын
Considering that Chrom’s chain with F!Robin gave us a garbage-fire dose of female-on-male violence, whereas M!Robin got a solid friendship and care dynamic… yeah, forcing the preferred one isn’t always best in FE. I swear that Sumia could have had better conversations with the guys she can’t marry, too.
@mattpatasnik1195
6 ай бұрын
@borjankosarac3645 dude. The idiot walked into her in the shower or made notion of her bring a guy cause she could fight or you know, showing up nude... the guy is almost as bad as Morgan (boy).
@sophitiaofhyrule
5 ай бұрын
In recent years devs have been pushing for Chrom x Male Robin, which, as much as I love Sumia, is super based
@unstablepc5913
6 ай бұрын
I really like Sumia too, and she's in deed such a missed opportunity. I think you gave a somewhat reductive perspective on Caeda and pegasus knights. Caeda is shown to be clever, manipulative and confident. She tells her bodyguard to protect Marth instead of her. She is still serving Marth, but more as a knight than a traditionally feminine support role. She encompasses a whole lot more than just the pure hearted love interest waifu. Pegasus knights in Archanea are also a little complicated. It's hard to understand what exactly pure means in their context. There are Dolhr pegasus knights in C24 so it's hard to argue that pure necessarily encompasses having the good of humanity at heart. Caeda is shown to have no qualms about misleading people like Roger. Palla and Catria are often subtly eroding Est's self confidence. In FE3, Est retains her pegasus knight class after having been married to Abel for some time. Same goes for Awakening where Sumia can keep her pegasus even after having given birth to Lucina. So it's probably not a virginity thing either.
@isaiahtorok7079
6 ай бұрын
Caeda really is so essential to Marths success she's far more competent
@sophitiaofhyrule
5 ай бұрын
Caeda is a great character
@johanandersson8252
6 ай бұрын
The only thing i can remember about Sumia is that she and Chrom is talking about pies 🥧. Also Cordelia deserves Stahl, they’re cute together.
@snowydawn1739
6 ай бұрын
Sumia’s been my favorite awakening character since I first picked up the game, and she was my go-to unit in feh for YEARS (Cynthia took over lmao) ❤ something you didn’t mention re: her flower fortunes btw is how easy it would be to tie that into the game’s bigger “I challenge (my) fate!” themes. It’s not anything particularly grand, but when she gets a negative fortune she works to overturn or overcome it - it would be easy to build that into the bigger, time-defying attitudes the rest of the main cast gets!
@andrewofaiur
6 ай бұрын
I strongly believe that the fact that we can even imagine and desire further chararacter developlent is proof that awakening did a fantastic job at character development in the first place. This was not a dialogue heavy game with only 10minutes-ish of support dialogues for each character, yet someone like you can take from that and expand out so much (kudos to your creative brain as well) of these characters means they gave us enough to be invested into them. I know your point isn't that awakening has bad character development but I just find it impressive how sometimes, the less a game gives us, the more room we have in our minds to expand on these characters on our own and there's a certain charm about that.
@_sleep_sugar
6 ай бұрын
Idk It’s kinda clear Ike doesn’t reciprocate any feeling towards any of the female characters in FE9 and 10
@chenchestarze8207
6 ай бұрын
Sumia's been one of my favorite Gen 1 Awakening characters alongside Henry, so it sucks knowing that because the devs wanted her to be the most canon option and that didn't pan out, they basically gutted her relevancy in favor of Cordelia ever since. Seriously, she didn't get to be in Warriors and she has no alts in Heroes as of now.
@NosferatuMonty776
6 ай бұрын
I hated Sumia as a kid because I thought she overshadowed Sully who still is my favorite option for chrom. Funnily enough it was finding out that she had the same birthday as me that made me look at who she was outside of chrom and now she holds a special place in my heart
@gnuwaves743
6 ай бұрын
12 years later and the debate rages on.
@lizzycorona2163
6 ай бұрын
The part about the queen/Sumia getting written out is why I love chrobin so much. We don't see chrom's wife reaction because robin is his wife and she killed him. The queen is at all the war meetings because you play as Robin. I can't remember all the details but Lucina purposely not getting close to her mom makes sense if she knows her mom will kill her dad. Narratively, chrobin make more sense (even if it was accidental and not what the dev intended). It makes Grima's line to Lucina "your mother and father are dead little one" hit so much harder. And her pointing her blade at her mom. ALSO: Because of the perma death machine, I dont think a game with Sumia is the later half would ever work since she can die. Unless the game made her like chrom or robin where if they die in battle its game over or unless isnt a playable unit (like Flava or whatshisname). I personally think perma death is bad and hurts the series's writing but that's another topic haha I liked the video :)
@rand0md00d3
6 ай бұрын
I think it's hilarious that in general the devs don't seem to want to confirm any pairings at this point. Even if Chrobin makes more sense narratively, Robin is depicted as male in every appearence he made after Awakening. At some point in Engage, it's even said he's ''Chrom's other half'' which can be interpreted in both platonic or romantic way. It's strange really. For the Tellius games, they kinda bait Ike/Soren in their appearences but not really, Priam exists but never seems acknowledged, so it's like Ike never had any interests in anyone. In Three Houses, they bait Edelgard/Byleth in Three Hopes but it's not mentioned anywhere else, and Dedue seems important enough to Dimitri until he disappears and Byleth replaces him in post timeskip sort-of, but Byleth's importance to the lords seems downplayed in the other appearences they made. So I think at this point it's safe to assume characters reproduce asexually or something.
@AnakhaSilver
6 ай бұрын
@@rand0md00d3 Other half isn't platonic at all. I have NEVER heard it used in a platonic sense. Combine this with the Day of Devotion duo unit, and it seems pretty clear what they think nowadays--Chrobin is the endgame, and in a game with magic dragons and such it doesn't seem farfetched that two men can somehow have a kid (surrogacy exists, but also like so do trans people). Also, Japan has a whole thing about indirect descendants to explain Priam--he's descended from Ike's SISTER in this case (or Soren is trans). Ike ONLY has romantic-tier supports with men in his game, so who the heck would he have even had a kid with?
@Kageryushin
6 ай бұрын
@@AnakhaSilver SO much cope in this post. V:
@yagofazcoisaseuacho8035
6 ай бұрын
About the perma-death thing, some of the earlier games (FE8 is the one that comes to mind, but I'm pretty sure FE7 did that as well) had some characters kinda survive the perma-deaths, their Death Quotes would be like "Sorry I can't go on, I have to retreat", and the ending screen would mention that they retreated instead of dying, so they could still show up in cutscenes So they could have done that to Sumia or whoever is Chrom's Wife in FEA to make her plot relevant, sadly they didn't, I guess
@ranger24ff
6 ай бұрын
Sumia is basically the vanilla ice cream Chrom option for awakening. A bit basic but nothing out right wrong with it and ideally you can do more with it. As for Chrom trying to keep his wife at home looking at his Emmeryn’s, and Lissa’s messy family situation and childhood where their father was considered a warmonger and their mother seems to have died sometime after Lissa was born with Lissa having been the target of rumors and slander of possibly being a bastard for not having the Brand of the Exalt, I can understand Chrom not wanting to put his own child through that as a parent. This actually comes up I think again when Chrom is properly introduced to the adult Lucina and their relation is revealed, literally the first words out of his mouth after recognizing who she is are that she deserved better from him than one old sword and a world full of troubles. Chrom is essentially recognizing that something clearly went wrong for Lucina to be here as she is and he takes that as that he personally failed both as a ruler and as her father.
@ceriisu
6 ай бұрын
this video prompted me to watch your entire backlog of videos and i just wanna say i am absolutely obsessed with your content and your vibes. your videos are so perfect to put on while im drawing ^^
@sylphiemk
6 ай бұрын
Omg that’s so sweet, thanks for tuning in!!
@ryuuakiyama3958
6 ай бұрын
I never heard of anybody being confused about why Ike doesn't end up with Ellincia. Ike shows extreme discomfort with Aimee being interested in him, and in Radiant Dawn, his paired endings are with Ranulf and Soren. In Japanese, Ike (a swordsman) and Ranulf (who is nicknamed "Kitty-Cat Man" by a certain character) are even a sort of stealth pun.
@rattyxoxo7397
6 ай бұрын
Adding to the idea that Sumia is the intended wife for Chrom and mother to Lucina, Sumia is the woman who Chrom requires the least support points with to rank up, needing 2 for C, then 4 for B, A and S, whereas Sully/Maribelle need 3 for C, 4 for B and A, and 5 for S, and then F!Robin and Olivia need 4 for C and B, then 5 for A and S. In terms of his automatic marriage, he also has levels of priority for if support levels are shared, where Sumia is second only behind Olivia, which I imagine is mainly to make getting her marriage easier when there’s only one map to build support with her before Chrom marries. Having both narrative and gameplay indicators to Chrom and Sumia’s relationship definitely implies some intent to have her marry Chrom imo.
@bluevalor491
6 ай бұрын
Funny that when on my first play through of Awakening Chrom ended up with Sully 😂
@AnakhaSilver
6 ай бұрын
Too bad she has negative chemistry with Chrom and Chrom comes across as borderline uncomfortable around her.
@dkmow706
6 ай бұрын
Ngl I wonder why they never mention the brand for Cynthia, Inigos brand is mentioned a decent amount which made me think Olivia was a more canon romance that Sumia. Granted that might just be a failsafe incase Sumia dies.
@borjankosarac3645
6 ай бұрын
I will never not resent the fact they didn’t give us one chapter between 10 & 11, so that the gameplay could let us actually develop Olivia and Chrom’s relationship within the actually-GOOD supports; unlike with Robin or Sumia, Chrom’s talks with Olivia have a super-endearing chemistry between them and it’s not an obnoxious way of portraying his social awkwardness… and we can’t see it playing out!
@mattpatasnik1195
6 ай бұрын
@@bluevalor491 Robin and by accident. I forgot theirs a damn limit to keeping Chrom single...
@kabrikitty6141
6 ай бұрын
7:19 It's simple, fandom. Ike actually has two paired endings in radiant dawn, rare for that game, and they're both with men. He gay asf. (Also he would HATE being a king and Elincia is dedicated to her country)
@brightlight8852
6 ай бұрын
The issue with Sumia is the fact that she was pushed with Chrom in a story, where she is completely irrelevant, and adds nothing. But it's exasperated by the devs temporarily pretending that she's the story's heroine, only to drop her as soon as Chrom gets married. If the devs didn't push her with Chrom, and allowed her to have more support conversations she would have been a much more popular character. Because as brutal as it is to admit she was never written as a main character but rather as a replacable love interest. It's funny because all of the frustrating things about her character come from the devs trying to give excuses for her special scenes and pair her up with Chrom. Also just pointing but Sumia's claim about wanting to improve ring hollow because ultimately joined the Shepherds to get closer to Chrom not to improve herself, and aplarently didn't do so until the plot saw fit to give her a Pegasus.
@muffinzetta3670
6 ай бұрын
Ike doesn’t end up with Elincia because Ike is not romantically interested in women
@shanatokisaki4596
6 ай бұрын
I ended up with chrom on my first play through of the game and truthfully I became much more attached to Lucina then I did to Morgan this may be because she is a central character but the stupid dress scene was actually kinda cute and I enjoyed it. I dont think I would have wanted to pair off with any of the other male characters outside of Chrom truthfully.
@foggy8298
6 ай бұрын
Nice video, but you got a few things pretty blatantly wrong in such a way that makes me think you read them off an official source that was wrong and you didn't know, so I can't blame you too badly for it. Caeda is definitely not how you described her, neither pure nor that kind, honestly, but finding an example of sexism in a Fandom wiki is on-brand for them. Caeda is honestly one of the only compelling characters in the Marth games because she has an actual personality. If anything, her relationship with Marth is the only part of her they don't develop well. It sort of just happens, but they seem nice together regardless. If anything, the Whitewing sisters are more relationship centered than Caeda is. Est is in love with and marries Abel, one of the two Christmas Cavaliers of the first Fire Emblem game, Palla was also in love with Abel and cannot get over him, but is happy for her sister and him, and Catria has a girlfailure crush on Marth despite him already being in a relationship with Caeda. Also, as a side-note, Caeda and Sumia are almost complete opposites to eachother. Caeda is smart, sly, confident, of high birth, and extremely competent both in gameplay and story, while Sumia is kind of a gullible dumb-ass, extremely clumsy, not confident in her own worth, and a much more reserved character from common birth(?) For the other characters, Clair was probably into Alm, but her canonical pairing is actually with Gray, and Ellincia has no canonical pairing, although Geoffrey and her are the only paired endings either of them have. Ike is obviously extremely gay, but the only reason fans would even consider shipping him and Ellincia is because of the English localization of Path of Radiance, which gave them more romantic chemistry than they were originally written with. I also don't know where you heard that Sumia trained to be a pegasus knight alongside Cordelia. I thought they were just childhood friends. My knowledge on Awakening has definitely waned over time, but I also thought the implication was that Sumia only joined the Sheperds in a support capacity as well. Was that in a support I never saw or something?
@Sonrio25
6 ай бұрын
As a Day 1 Sumia fan, even though I married her, I would’ve much rather had her take a central part in the story as Chrom’s wife in the same way as Caeda or Deirdre. Your main point of the dating sim-like component of Awakening (and beyond) practically kills this opportunity from ever appearing again, and it’s so much more apparent post-Awakening when you consider how games like Heroes or Warriors treat her (the latter just not having her at all in favor of the more popular Cordelia). Sadly, I have to believe that this was more so done on purpose, in tune to your comment on how they only inserted Sumia into the opening cutscene and beginning of the game as a way to ease the player into the support mechanics and child system. I could easily see how they could’ve just done a first playthrough of the game with Chrom and Sumia locked into the story, then on subsequent playthroughs opened them up to player’s choice - just a dream I guess. On a random note, I finally was able to get her to +10 in Heroes this past week, so seeing this video just made me even more happy as a fan. Thank you for the essay!
@montanaripatrick
6 ай бұрын
Agreed to all! I really like the idea of a series of videos each describing a character.
@angerykorbypancake1613
6 ай бұрын
This was so good, I totally agree with all of this. Poor Cordelia though lol
@EnderWarlock
6 ай бұрын
"No one sits like that" Me sitting like that watching this video: "Oops..." Great video btw. More Queen cutscenes would be really cool for a remake. What you brought up with Sumia makes me think she'd have been interesting as a villager/trainee unit with Aptitude. Also while short. Sumia and Lucina do get a unique Mother Daughter convo in a future past DLC which gives all parent and children (minus Morgan) unique convos and are fairly nice to read.
@sylphiemk
6 ай бұрын
I’m so inflexible I think I would break my legs if I sat like that omg. Thanks for watching!
@vreemdear6344
6 ай бұрын
I like Sumia, and it's sad that we didn't get to see this. But as a chrobin shipper, I think the trade-off was worth it 😂
@Wasserbienchen
6 ай бұрын
"No-one sits like that" Yes. Yes they do. I'm a woman, I sit like that. Maybe an asian thing? I'm Korean.
@sylphiemk
6 ай бұрын
lol yeah I tried it and it turns out I can also sit like that, so I take it back 😂
@thetoadwalker3010
6 ай бұрын
Cynthia also has a special nickname if Chrom is her parent, however I like Sumia with Fredrick better. The funniest pairing for Chrom is Olivia, since to make them get married you have to play the game in a very specific way and it kind of paints her in a strange light for such a shy character, I don't know.
@Elfangor567
6 ай бұрын
Characters not having completed arcs is a common problem in fire emblem games in general. Support conversations are fun, but because they can happen at any time, you find a character repeating the same arc over and over again. IS seems to struggle with the gap between player choice and large casts. I think narratively, the game likely would have benefited from having a set relationship between Chrom and Sumia, but that also goes against the design philosophy of allowing f!Robin from marrying Chrom. They didn't have to make that their design philosophy, but once they did, it became inevitable they were going to cut Sumia out of the second half, since otherwise they'd need to devote more resources for diminishing returns with each of the possible Chrom brides. It's hard to remember, considering how much FE has blown up since Awakening, but many thought Awakening would be the last FE game. It was a swan song, which is part of why it has so many references. Of course, it ended up revitalizing the series, but as Final Fantasy shows, sometimes that can happen.
@CrystalAngel72
6 ай бұрын
I needed this so much. Please write a book on my favourite girl Sumia!
@iimezzii9442
6 ай бұрын
as always love ur vids keep up the good work! :]
@projectmessiah
6 ай бұрын
4:28 speak for yourself, I sit like that sometimes
@AstraProc
6 ай бұрын
Just discovered this channel and really like your laid back style. Subscribed!
@yukiizura
6 ай бұрын
19:57 Yes, you should! Great video as always, Sumia has always been a character I've looked at with a giant question mark, so getting a full video on her was really nice. Even back when I played Awakening for the first time as a teenager I was *so* confused when Sumia just vanished in the second half, like she really gave birth and dipped from the plot. If she had been respected as the main character she was clearly written to be, the story could have been so much stronger; an actual dynamic between Lucina and her mother, real reasons why Lucina feels like the weight of the world is on her shoulders as a royal (Cynthia's a sweetheart, but,,, a sandwich or two short of a picnic, even moreso if you added Owain), a semi-logical reason why Chrom would ask Sumia to stay behind (she's a lover not a fighter), and we could actually have her, and maybe even Cynthia if you really wanted to go there, react to Chrom's death. And YES to the Sumia-Lissa Support, they both deserved it, it's criminal they never got to have that. Sumia deserved to have a consistent presence that showed her growth from maiden to Queen, and Lucina deserved a relationship with her mother. In conclusion: Let Sumia Girlboss! and yes for the love of god intelligent systems, give us the fe4 remake. like we know it's in the vault somewhere, don't act coy, just hand it over at this point.
@brightlight8852
6 ай бұрын
Sumia wasn't written to be a main character. She was pushed to marry Chrom which is why she was given those extra scenes. So that the player would feel obligated to pair her with Chrom. Essentially her role in the story wasn't "main character" but rather "tenative love interest" which is a role that others could do better than her.
@sylphiemk
6 ай бұрын
Yes let Sumia girlboss and release the remake from the vault please!!
@brightlight8852
6 ай бұрын
@sylphiemk I have a feeling that if there was ever a remake she'd get less screentime.
@sylphiemk
6 ай бұрын
@@brightlight8852 I'm referring to the fe4 remake mentioned in the initial comment.
@brightlight8852
6 ай бұрын
@sylphiemk I meant that if Awakening ever got a remake Sumia is very likely to get less scenes. As for the remake for FE4, Engage came out just last year and it unfortunately was a bust (it's currently out of print) so they might want to wait before making a new one.
@nascromt
6 ай бұрын
Chrom ❤ Sully is my OTP Two himbos together
@ThrillingDuck
6 ай бұрын
Great video! Pretty specific, but I love in-depth breakdowns of under-written characters with a lot of implied detail haha. You highlighted many of the inherent problems with stories containing variable or modular narratives and character relationships. It's basically impossible to write cohesive roles or arcs for anyone when everyone's interpersonal relationships and even survival exists in this Schrodinger's Cat-esque state of uncertainty. While I love the idea of shipping whoever you want and having that decision possess meaningful mechanical impact, it took its toll on the main narrative and characters like Sumia especially, who exist in this halfway point between main and side character. I'm not 100% sure the trade-off was worth it, but the one thing I can compliment the writers for is doing their best to make the main scenario as consistent with every variation of events as possible. On the opposite end of the spectrum, we have a situation like Laslow, Serena, and Odin in FE Fates. Their story is SO COOL on paper, but it's very clear that whoever wrote their subplot had no communication with the main plot writers, because their behavior during the main story makes absolutely no sense after playing their DLC backstory paralogue thing. EDIT: And in the Revelations route, they can even be pitted against each other, and have no special dialogue or anything, like WHAT?
@thabluetails
6 ай бұрын
Btw, during the scene sumia tames a Pegasus, I think it was implied that she was actually riding it earlier to catch up to Chrom but crash landed. It would explain how Cordelia and Sumia train together as Pegasus nights if Sumis has a Pegasus, it would make that scene make a lot more sense. The only thing that really doesn't make sense in this interpretation is how Chrom seemingly didn't know Sumia had a Pegasus, which you could just say that chrom never saw sumia in battle until then.
@evanherynk5863
6 ай бұрын
I definitely agree with the shedding the clumsiness in the second act. Cynthia and some of her endings talk about how she ends up as the most dominant Pegasus Knight in Ylisse, but you don't see that growth and confidence ever develop. Sumia definitely deserved better, but she's still one of my favorite characters from Awakening.
@jacobstone4070
6 ай бұрын
In a game, like awakening, it makes sense that the set ups are well written where as the back half falls a bit flat as each playthrough can have many different romantic pairings and many different deaths. You cant really have fully fleshed out stories that pace the whole game unless theyre tied to characters with game over conditions. Edit. Made this too early in the video, yuo say this lol
@alishegamer8490
6 ай бұрын
Yooo slaying yet again i see
@StopHim
6 ай бұрын
Amazing video xoxo
@SAIZOxRYOMA
6 ай бұрын
"elincia ends up marrying geoffrey, but a large portion of the fandom is stumped as to why her and ike dont end up together" might be cause hes gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@AnakhaSilver
6 ай бұрын
Seriously, he shows discomfort, doesn't he? At being flirted with by a woman?
@SAIZOxRYOMA
6 ай бұрын
its been a minute but part of what i remember the way they wrote it was as if women are not on his mind whatsoever(this is also specifically mentioned in ike's tellius recollections page), and when aimee flirts with him it goes over his head until she gets really aggressive with it(which results in SOREN saving him promptly after every time!!)@@AnakhaSilver
@GameOnShanny
6 ай бұрын
Ive always liked Robin x chrom but sumia is cool too
@Chronoflation
6 ай бұрын
I find it funny when you talk about scenes clearly written by men when my wife and our neighbor have had very similar types of conversations as the examples you gave, like my neighbor talking about how she just loved babies and wants to get her husband drunk so she can "crank the stuff out of him" or talking about how their bra sizes changed while pregnant or how they could keep their boots from shrinking after they stopped breastfeeding. Lots of pregnancy related talk basically. Also wardrobe malfunctions, kids, how the neighbors husband and I have had the exact same response to each of them asking us the same question, etc. All the stereotype female conversations that people always assume only exist in guys dumb fantasies. It makes commentary on this type of writing really funny to me. My wife even bought the wrong swimsuit size and my sister joked with her that she'd lend her one but my sister's like 3 cups bigger than my wife and they both laughed about how immeffective such a loose bikini would be on her and how I'd surely appreciate the show. I laughed to myself for a full day the first time I heard women talk in a way that could work in one of these "male fantasy" scenes.
@thabluetails
6 ай бұрын
This is an amazing video, not too many people talk about the characters in awakening, well they definitely have their flaws I still really like them including Sumia and I wish there was a lot more done with a lot of these characters! If they had more meat in the story and if I'm so many of the supports weren't one note i think these characters would be as loved as the tellius characters. There are so many amazing support convos in Awakening and some surprisingly amazing writing at times, which shows me that awakening really have the potential to be the best game in the series which i admire for that. Im also a little biased cause it was my first fire emblem game lol.
@mattybee4077
6 ай бұрын
You hit a lot of points that I had problems with the handling of the Romance/Pairing in Awakening. I have always thought that they should have made Sumia and Chrom a static pair, because it gives the writers better opportunity to write a Queen, a Mother, and Wife with agency throughout the story. It sucks because I can see the potential of Sumia, but because they couldn't commit to making her the canon love-interest we missed out on what could have been a really solid character.
@isaiahtorok7079
6 ай бұрын
I wish she was more like caeda in my opinion caeda was the real star of fe 11 when I played it
@thekenyonsquad5672
6 ай бұрын
Sumia is my favorite character in Awakening, so it kills me a bit that Cordelia is so much more prevalent in side games. Cordelia is playable in FE Warriors while Sumia isn't. Cordelia was summonable in FE Heroes at the start while it took a long time before Sumia was added, on top of Cordelia having about 4 variants at this point in time. Cordelia was a trophy in smash 4 and a spirit in smash ultimate while Sumia isn't mentioned. heck, Lucina had colors based on Cordelia and Sumia in smash 4, but the Sumia one got removed in ultimate.
@Markus-yf8fv
6 ай бұрын
well done video!
@samflood5631
2 ай бұрын
I feel like Robin and Sumia have a way better support conversation than Sumia and Chrom as well as Robin and Chrom and Robin and Lissa. For starters, Robin and Sumia have a common interest in literature, which is a lot of couples like to do. This also shows a lot of Sumia’s character of being insecure about herself and she uses books as a coping mechanism. Plus the chemistry between the two is perfect and it’s interesting to see Cynthia be the older sister for once. As for Cordelia, while I am a Robin x Cordelia shipper, I think that her relationship with Stahl is a lot better since they both have an interest in music and she gets over Chrom as she marries Stahl.
@sunshinesunnyontop
6 ай бұрын
fantastic video. sumia is so red velvet coded
@heirapparent8217
6 ай бұрын
Write a book!
@A_keo
6 ай бұрын
Man, I wish Sumia was written better. I think she’s a lovely character with a lot of potential and a great unit too, but even though she was clearly meant to be the canon love interest I didn’t feel like it was very convincing and she can come across as sorta underdeveloped. I’m a diehard Chrobin fan but I would have loved her to have more development past the first story arc if she was Chrom’s wife
@novakaiser7949
6 ай бұрын
awakening had a very troubled development, so i really believe sumia was initially meant to be kinda like ceada for the narrative, but that changed with time. i mean the game was supposed to be futuristic at first lol. despite awakening being my favorite FE game, im not super knowledgeable on the development of the game. i imagine they wanted to go the sigurd/dierdre route with chrom and sumia being locked as a pairing to further the story, however that probably changed overtime to a few selections of pairings for chrom probably for replayability since awakening was planned to be the very last FE games. my theory is that she was supposed to be relevant the entire game, but programming and drafting 4 different conversations for every scene the mother for lucina would be in was probably more work than they had resources from, if i ghad to guess by how rushed the later part of the game feels. at the end of the day though, sumia is a bit of a mystery because we will never really know what they wanted to do with her, but that speed growth is insane tho
@AnakhaSilver
6 ай бұрын
It's funny you mention Sigurd and Deirdre when uh. Robin is the one who is found in the woods and will doom the world.
@novakaiser7949
6 ай бұрын
@@AnakhaSilver to be fair to chrom tho, no old sage told him "DON'T marry the forrest dragon"
@AnakhaSilver
6 ай бұрын
@@novakaiser7949 I think that's the only thing different, and even then, Freddie is apprehensive given Robin is wearing obvious Grimleal clothing! lol
@novakaiser7949
6 ай бұрын
@AnakhaSilver i love awakening to bits but i can only enjoy it fully if i turn my brain off bc they overlooked sooo many inconsistencies lmao
@AnakhaSilver
6 ай бұрын
@@novakaiser7949 I'm doing a rewrite that's loving. If you know how troubled the development was, I think they did good with it. They literally ran out of budget and it's why Chrom's Awakening Scene with Naga isn't animated, for example.
@mysticpink2862
6 ай бұрын
Honestly I agree. I think Sumía had much potential as a love interest for Chrom and as a character if the dev put more effort into it. Even though I am a Chrobin shipper, I will be happy if there is ever a remake of awakening they actually did something with her and Chrom more, especially in their support because I didn’t really like it. Especially if she was supposed to be his ‘canon’ love interest.
@AutismGaming489
2 ай бұрын
Fates is based in terms of Pegasus Knights. Multiple characters can become sky knights and the main female sky knight is a tomboy.
@confusedcorn1959
6 ай бұрын
The red velvet intro? Omg we love
@SilentMeteorite
6 ай бұрын
God I wish Awakening could've existed free from the shackles of the permadeath waifu-bait combo 😭 That actually goes for all recent FE games. At least for the major characters, let them be written well instead of dropping it all so that we can have an awkward self-insert experience
@ccheart8574
4 ай бұрын
Just a note: Cheating DOES exist within the WORLD of Awakening, as that's brought up when Lucina makes her appearance, it's just that all the Shepards are too noble to do such a thing. But I just wanted it noted that it is a concept that exists there.
@virgojake4531
6 ай бұрын
As a man who ended putting Sully together with Chrom. I never noticed Sumia's whole crush on him and I ended up leaving her in my box and using Cordelia more. This video is hilarious to me.
@cutejustice
6 ай бұрын
Omg yes!! I always thought it was weird how Sumia was written. When I was looking to pursue Chrom, I initially found her as a competition. But as the story unfolded, I realized she was well… all talk no show? She faded very fast and I lowkey hoped she became a villain out of jealousy or something because the story made it very obvious she should be with Chrom but they instead chose to do nothing with her. Very sadge. On the note of other characters that I wish had more story: OLIVIA. She is so mysterious to me but I love her sooooo much. She’s a dancer but doesn’t like to be seen. It’s such an interesting choice considering every dancer I’ve played wants/needs the audience attention.
@eleonorepb4565
6 ай бұрын
Exept that in fe4 the plot require that Deirdre marry Sigurd for the plot because otherwhise the second part of the game would be different because Seliph need to be her son in order to claim the throne and Seliph being her son also had a parrallel between Arvis and him. The identity of Lucina's mother wouldn't really impact the plot, her being Sumia, Sully Maribelle or village maiden's daughter wouldn't bring many plot difference, if she were the daughter of Olivia it would have a small impact because then she would be the adoptive granddaughter of the guy that is a berserker but Robin would be the sole one that could have a really big change in the plot because then Lucina would also be linked to Grima but since Robin can be a guy they weren't going to force Chrom to marry this character.
@brightlight8852
6 ай бұрын
Deirdre being Seliph's mother also made the fight very personal for him. The real issue is that Genealogy didn't explore it because Kaga didn't want to admit that Arvis is a villain that is not deserving of any sympathy.
@eleonorepb4565
6 ай бұрын
@@brightlight8852 if his mother were Erinys it would also make the fight personal because Seliph's mother's kingdom would have been invaded by Arvis, if his mother were Brigid it would make the fact that he fight for the normal people more powerful since his mom would have been a pirat in her past, same with Sylvia who was a miserable dancer before meeting Lewyn, if Ayra was his mom it would also make the fight more personnal because Arvis took advantage of the war with Isaac to became an emperor and it would show that Sigurd is maybe foolish to marry a foreight princess and being the son of Tailtu would make him the granson of Reptor wich would go with the theme of not being guilty for what your ancestror did, the sole that don't bring many things is Edain
@brightlight8852
6 ай бұрын
@eleonorepb4565 That wouldn't be personal at all because ultimately, it was actually Sigurd who conquered those lands, not Arvis. Arvis merely just took advantage over Sigurd's actions. Having Seliph's mother be anyone besides Deirdre would also give credence to the idea that Sigurd really was a traitor and would have made it so that Arvis's rule was legitimate. A big point about Arvis is that he lied about Sigurd being a traitor, and it was only after people realized that Arvis started losing his position. The fact that Arvis killed Sigurd and married Deirdre made Arvis an upsurper who stole Seliph's birthright, which, in turn, makes Seliph's rebellion completely justified. If Seliph was not Deirdre's son, then Seliph would not have any reason to kill Arvis outside of revenge for killing his father and mother. Also, narratively, for the first gen, it defies Deirdre's "destiny." Because it shows that Deirdre could very well have lived a long and happy life, if not for the Loptuous sect, as her children with Sigurd would not carry the Loptuous blood, as the both of their holy bloods would cancel out the Loptuous blood (Seliph doesn't have Loptuous blood) which is why they needed Arvis. By the way the same holds true for Arvis, as Saias doesn't have any Loptuous blood. It also legitimizes why the sect needed both Deirdre and Arvis as the Loptuous bloodline was going to die out in one generation.
@eleonorepb4565
6 ай бұрын
@@brightlight8852 You are litteraly imply that Sigurd is not a traitor only because he married the bland princess in distress who happened to be the princess of his kingdom. Also if people started to hate Arvis it's not because he killed Deirdre's true husband but because of the Loptyr cult is tyranizing the continent. Also no Seliph don't kill Arvis because he married his mom but because he was his ennemy (Arvis himself arranged his death at Seliph's hand). And no Arvis is to blame for the invasion of Siless, Lewyn's mom even died when he did this. Maybe you should replay the game because you have many incorrect informations.
@brightlight8852
6 ай бұрын
@eleonorepb4565 Sigurd isn't a traitor, but his actions make him seem that way to those in power. The fact that he was married to Deirdre, however, is a part of why he was killed (according to Kaga). People started to hate Arvis because if the Loptuous sect but the fact that he also lied about Sigurd didn't help his case either and made it far easier for people to rise up against his rule. Seliph has zero idea about what Arvis setting into motion his own death. As far as Seliph was concerned he was taking revenge against Arvis. He said as much to Deirdre's ghost, and it was Sigurd's ghost who told him not to cheer. Maybe you should take your own advice and replay the game. You do realize the one in charge of Silese was Lewyn and therefore Seliph could have never been the heir for that country right?
@TheBigHerman007
6 ай бұрын
I agree with your frustration and love the video. I can't wait to watch other videos. But i will say I dont think it's that wierd that Cordelia and Sumia are obsessed with Chrom. I think it's just Chrom is perfect and everyone should confess their undying love for him and swoon at his glance. 😅
@Chronoflation
6 ай бұрын
I sit like that all the time while playing with my daughter, lol
@Leafwalke
6 ай бұрын
FINALLY the algorithm brought me to queer FE KZitem 🤩
@sylphiemk
6 ай бұрын
Omg yes welcome!! There’s lots of queer FE content it’s just buried bc the channels are all so small. Thanks for watching!
@chosospigtails
6 ай бұрын
it always kinda confused me why Sumia was the only female unit who doesn't have a full roster to marry from, there's not that many male units Sumia can marry that are not Chrom
@eleonorepb4565
6 ай бұрын
People are annoyed by the fact the she is the most teased potential love interest for Chrom but she is really the least annoying character like that, to begin with she is an independant character : her relationship with Chrom is not a big part of her character unlike for exemple Lilina who has a big part of her character dedicated to loving Roy, I think Sumia even never mention Chrom in support (exept the one with him of course), most scene where she interact with Chrom in the main story has other purpose(showing that despit her clumsyness she is able to be a knight, being funny) while other characters of that kind are scenes whose sole purpose is to show that the girl really love the lord, also some may find her relationship with Chrom boring but at least it's not unbalanced unlike for exemple Ninian and Lilina who are both damsels in distress and are emotionnally dependant on the lord (Tana is a bit better because she helps Ephraim to open up a bit), Sumia saved Chrom and he helps her with her self estimate, also the hint between Chrom and Sumia stop after the first arc, Cythia don't get special treatment (no plot change if Chrom is her father) and if one specific relationship involving Sumia is teased after the the first arc it's with Robin (when facing Grima they mention her smile). I prefers when the lord get teased with a character who is more modest than the typical beautiful damsel in distress that dedicate a good portion of their character to love the lord because just loving a prince charming is not character developpement, at least Muirne's love for Seliph has something interesting because she is a commoner while he is the heir to the throne and like Lana she share a low self estimate with Seliph
@AnakhaSilver
6 ай бұрын
...Her entire character, and I say this currently REPLAYING, is that she's from the moment she arrived defined by her crush on Chrom. She ISN'T independent. Her "tripping" is her crush on Chrom.
@papacitoloko1117
6 ай бұрын
Idk why but I think I remember Chrom marrying sully the cavalier 😂
@Error403HRD
6 ай бұрын
Ngl Virion is my favorite awakening character. He's too funny. Great video, I don't like Sumia and I think that's because she's so plain and underdeveloped. She would've benefitted greatly from an enforced pairing.
@teorian9238
6 ай бұрын
I like Sumia a lot, probably more than most people since I kinda relate to her. Unfortunately, I absolutely despised her and Chrom together to the point where I’d actively avoid the pairing every time I played. I think both of them have much better options, and the Sumia and Chrom ship feels a little… reductive to her for one main reason other than their lack of chemistry. Limited supports. think that,in order to push Chromia, it hurt her character by reducing her interactions with the cast, reducing her to very few supports in comparison to any other 1st gen mother. Due to this lack of interaction, she feels more one note than say.. Cherche or Cordelia. I liked Sumia most with Robin and Frederick, though I’d have loved to see a support with Gregor or Donnel. There’s even obvious potential with Virion. Sumia loves romance novels, and Virion acts like a protagonist in one. Have them interact! Let them marry! Heck, she has less marriage candidates than the second gens! Sumia only has Gaius, Frederick, Robin, Chrom and Henry. In comparison, her daughter has Robin, Morgan, Laurent, Inigo, Brady, Yarne, George and Owain. That’s five for a character who needs to marry for the other, in comparison to seven which are absolutely optional with only stat benefits.
@orvaldurgumundson1809
6 ай бұрын
Sumia and Chrom, canon? Fuck that, i married her on my lunatic + playthrough.
@Oath13K
6 ай бұрын
I’ll never forgive Chrobin shippers for hating on my girl so much back in the day. 😭
@AnakhaSilver
6 ай бұрын
I don't hate her, and I never hated her. I just hate her with Chrom because they have negative chemistry. Sumia and Sully or Coredlia, tho...
@ninjakirby777
5 ай бұрын
I don’t hate her, I just think that her support convos with chrom are pretty awful. Both her supports with Frederick and Henry are much better (and some of the girls too but you can’t marry them cause of when the game came out). Admittedly Chrom and F Robin’s supports are pretty bad too but at least they get to interact over the course of the main story and the supports feel like a chill relaxed non serious episode of a show before the climax of the show becomes really dark (at least to me).
@RedOphiuchus
6 ай бұрын
I think a big reason the queen gets written out is because Robin can be the queen and it would be difficult to write a role for the queen that never conflicts with what Robin is doing at the same time so she can do both. Honestly, Robin ruins a lot.
@brightlight8852
6 ай бұрын
I wouldn't say that. According to her devs the only reason why Sumia was even made to be Chrom's love interest solely because she's a Pegasus Knight, as a reference to Caeda. The only issue is that Robin is more like Caeda in terms both their actual role in the story, their role the army in Shadow Dragon and in terms of personality. Sumia however is more like New Mystery Caeda who had most of her role overtaken by Kris. Not really a heroine but just there. While Robin especially Female Robin has more in common with Shadow Dragon Caeda, and Deirdre, making Female Robin a better reference to the very thing that Sumia was supposed to reference. But Sumia was easily removed as heroine because that's how little her position in her story actually mattered. Tl;dr Sumia as a queen is only there to reference and nothing more. She was never created to actually be important.
@RedOphiuchus
6 ай бұрын
@brightlight8852 that's not what my comment is about though. I'm referring to the aside in the video where he makes the argument that the queen role, regardless of which character plays it, is extremely minimal. And my biggest theory for why they is is because Robin's role is so large that if the queen role is too big it gets in the way of her playing both parts. Sumia specifically as queen wasn't mentioned by me.
@brightlight8852
6 ай бұрын
@@RedOphiuchusWell yes that is my point. Robin is effectively the Queen, and does the duties associated with the Queen(hence why I say that she's like Shadow Dragon Caeda). It's the reason why JP players stated that the story would have been better off with Female Robin as a canon character in the story and just removing the avatar aspect. And they're right as it does iron out the issues. Robin has the same problem as Kris but where Kris took away roles from other characters, Robin is those characters being was pigeonholed into being an avatar.
@RedOphiuchus
6 ай бұрын
@brightlight8852 I don't know if I agree with that though. The role played by Robin doesn't really align all that well with being queen as much as being an advisor, which a queen can be but isn't necessarily.
@brightlight8852
6 ай бұрын
@@RedOphiuchus The consort is also an advisor, the closest one, actually. The duty of a queen isn't around to just sit around, look pretty, and give birth to heirs. That's why I pointed out that she's more like Shadow Dragon Caeda who was very much Marth's right hand alongside Jaegan, who in Awakening is Frederick. Shadow Dragon Caeda was Marth's advisor she did prioritize Marth's survival over her own and even told her own bodyguards to guard Marth instead. The term "other half" in FE was originally used to describe the relationship between Marth and Caeda and how they supported one another in Shadow Dragon. New Mystery retconned it into it being about a platonic friendship so that it could describe Kris and Marth.
@AnakhaSilver
6 ай бұрын
I love Sumia, but she has a lot more chemistry with other women, and her personality is largely bland when it comes to how she's largely written. She's sweet and supportive and kind and she's a klutz around Chrom. Her most defining personality traits are "she likes animals" and "she likes Chrom." That is, outside the Scramble DLC where she's shown to have a fuck ton of chemistry with OTHER WOMEN. In the Harvest Scramble, around other women, Sumia shows she can be incredibly spicy! It's really sad, because it basically means Awakening is full of a bunch of comphet gays. Also, full stop, Chrom has like. Negative chemistry with any women. But Robin? Or Gaius? Or a few other men? He's open. He shows more of himself. He lowers his guard. It's a healthy relationship.
@AnakhaSilver
6 ай бұрын
To add to this, Chrom and Robin end up mirroring a lot of past relationships in the series that are, if not outright then are borderline canon and make sense of a lot of things in the plot BETTER if they're together. Chrobin is just Sigurd and Deirdre combined with Ike and Soren and, despite Sumia being the peg knight, Caeda and Marth. Robin plays Caeda's role BETTER because he's willing to commit war crimes for Chrom's cause, like how Caeda is the one who does most of the work getting people on Marth's side. She's not just a kindly sweet lady who smiles, she deceives people and is an active recruiter for Marth, who's portrayed as kinda in way over his head. Add to this, then, that if you pay close attention and know more about actual Japanese mythos in Buddhism and Shintoism, then Robin isn't just a vessel for the Fell Dragon--he IS the Fell Dragon reborn. He and Grima are one and the same. VALIDAR is who forces Robin to kill Chrom, and given the backstory we have for Grima... It's one defined by a lack of agency. So to have Grima's happiness in his new life, where he can finally not be persecuted and hunted and basically treated like shit for merely existing, be ripped away because of a religious zealot deciding that Grima is the end of the world, and then making his god do it with his own two hands... Well. I can see why Grima went off the deep end. If he's not allowed happiness, neither is anyone else.
@ZenteLucifer
6 ай бұрын
For real tho 🤦🏻♂️ my current playthrough (modded, thabes + gay awakening) doesn't have that issue so I can just marry her to Sully, but the FANS had to fix that issue. If you want fans to ship heterosexual ships, make the characters have ACTUAL CHEMISTRY!! Like the Ferox Khans (who hilariously can't marry each other anyway, probably because of how Ferox is structured)
@ninjakirby777
5 ай бұрын
@@ZenteLuciferapparently there was a cut ending where the khans married but it was cut either for the reasons you said or time or whatever
@ZenteLucifer
5 ай бұрын
@@ninjakirby777 We were robbed. It was one of the only FE ships I always saw as "basically canon even though it's impossible in-game" (the others being Tiki and Say'ri, and in Fates: Ryoma and Scarlet, and Kagero and Orochi. I'm still mad about those too like seriously Ryoma and Scarlet already act like a married couple but when you recruit them they can't even support-)
@arvinr.912
6 ай бұрын
I found this character very annoying in Awakening. Usually I could tolerate the most quirky and weird ones but not her. That maid from Fates also got on my nerves.
@sephikong8323
5 ай бұрын
To me, Sumia is the default Chrom partner playing Male Robin However I have yet to do a single playthrough with Female Robin where I don't get her with Chrom. It makes so so much sense. The whole story spins into a literal love at first sight story, and it makes Lucina's mistrust of Robin and the moment where she points her sword at her just ........ heartbreaking. It's an orphan that cannot even rejoice being reunited with her mother because she knows she will kill her father and she even tries to kill her in advance but cannot bring herself to do so. I think if a single Awakening ship needs to be canon, that should be Chrobin. But it will never be because they made Robin an Avatar ....
@joeyjose727
6 ай бұрын
Oh we’re so well fed… anyways yes I was stumped like “they need Chrom to marry anyone for the game mechanics” but Sigurd and Deirdre are right there… they had a STORY they wanted to tell, whereas in Awakening you can marry anyone because… why? Honestly I don’t love this type of player choice, they had the option to make a really interesting story about Chrom, Sumia, and Lucina (omg her name kinda giving luCHROMia(-ia as in sumIA, I’ve cracked the code) but instead they can’t commit to that pair so the queen/mother is irrelevant. There are other ways they could make gameplay different for Lucina between playthroughs, maybe you pick godparents who pass down some skill and class options, as well as retaining whatever she gets from Chrom and Sumia since Lucina is special and deserves a little more versatility. The godparents in canon could have trained Lucina as a child… Sad that the wife character kinda turns out being a whole bunch of nothing. I really want that Geneology remake btw even if I’m not sure I’ll like the game lol, pleaseeee Also yas Queendom intro, my fav song by RV
@brightlight8852
6 ай бұрын
Sadly there's nothing really interesting about Sumia as a mother from a narrative stand point. She was only put into the position because she's a Pegasus Knight, and not for any narrative reason. It was literally just a reference. Giving her more screentime would just exasperate her issues rather than fix them. As her issues stem from the game temporarily pretending that she has a narrative point rather than just treating her as any other character.
@muffinzetta3670
6 ай бұрын
Hey I still married her, just saying
@PrettyPurpleness
5 ай бұрын
If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a 1000 times. Sumia’s relationship to Chrom makes her a worse character. It creates scenes that are empty and meaningless as the story doesn’t follow through on whatever connection they’re trying to establish. It limits her dialogues so we don’t get a more thorough look at her character. The ones we have are mostly about her baking which isn’t a problem if was like a an important part of her character but the fact that is only brought up in her relationship to men suggests it’s more about establishing her a “homemaker”. By being tied to Chrom it’s not about Sumia the character and her relationship to the characters around her it’s about trying to fit her into this mold that contradicts things they actually establish. She’s clumsy sure but from her supports we know she likes books, cares about her friends, is interested in fortunes, and works hard despite her shortcomings. Nothing there suggests we need the scene at border especially when nothing about the set up for the battle changes after besides her joining the field. Even if they wanted to originally make her Chrom’s only option once that changed they should have changed the direction they approached her character. There is an easy option for Chrom’s wife in the village girl he gets with if you don’t have him marry anyone. Intended or not Sumia suffers greatly by the misogyny of the writers who tried to make her Chrom’s wife first and a person second. Chrom is even a bad father for Cynthia because we know that he was around in the original timeline long enough to have at least 2 kids and for those kids to know what their parents looked like as every other child recognizes their parents (Morgan doesn’t count. Morgan has fantasy amnesia). But somehow she can’t recognize her own father? I get the fact that he could have left when she was young as we don’t get an exact timeline so could just been really little when she last saw him in person but he was the ruler of their nation you can not tell me there aren’t paintings of him. They stitched images of Emmeryn on to fabric but they never made a portrait of Chrom? Cynthia is not stupid. She clearly idolizes the Shepherds. It makes more sense if she doesn’t recognize him or could mistake him for someone else if that wasn’t her father.
@AnakhaSilver
Ай бұрын
Morgan has magical amnesia because they're canonically the Morgan from Future Past--and Grima is likely who purposely wiped their memory!
@MugenAeternum
6 ай бұрын
Hated her so much, especially after the beach interaction with Miriel
@GeoSage1137
6 ай бұрын
This is why I ship Robin/Lucina more than Robin/Chrom. Now, if only Cordelia could be happy
@AnakhaSilver
Ай бұрын
NGL if I was in Chrom's shoes and Robin showed up married to my daughter from the future, no bond would save him. He'd be dead in a heartbeat.
@alexandrecarvalho6489
6 ай бұрын
I feel like every side character in FE is underwritten, unfortunately 🥲 I want to know so much more from basically everyone in FE8
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