"Tau, Mr Bond? Embarrassing. I cast "Da Jump" and place 30 Ork Boys behind your gunline. Waaaaaagh, Mr Bond."
@ronokoftherainlords4184
4 ай бұрын
I miss the psychic phase
@garbageguy2599
4 ай бұрын
@@ronokoftherainlords4184gone but not forgotten
@goreobsessed2308
4 ай бұрын
@ronokoftherainlords4184 damn the psychic phase is gone to just learned about pie plates 😢
@invalidboss501
4 ай бұрын
I see you two are an orc player of culture also da jump still exists you can do it with a weird boy and some vehicles
@Aztesticals
4 ай бұрын
Ever consider you just add it into your play@@garbageguy2599
@ronokoftherainlords4184
4 ай бұрын
The Tau are reasonable people living in a galaxy that has abandoned reason long ago.
@arbuz8331
4 ай бұрын
ABANDON REASON KNOW ONLY WAR
@Nerdiness1985
4 ай бұрын
The average Tau warrior is also physically less durable and strong than even an adult human. And they have poor depth perception. Which doesn't exactly make melee any easier. That's what they have the Kroot for. And humans tend to have Ogryns for that specific purpose as well. The average Ogryn being physically larger and stronger than most Space Marine outside their power armour.
@shinomori69
4 ай бұрын
Aren't the ruling class a bunch of mind controlling shadowy conspiracies or something?
@FriendlyYouTubeCrusader
4 ай бұрын
They’re also fucking weebs
@TeaIngyer
4 ай бұрын
Nothing reasonable about imperialist colonizing, and a caste system.
@kadenmedley1367
4 ай бұрын
“The Tau suck at melee” comes from the high contrast between their melee and ranged proficiency, vs someone like a space marine that is generally 50/50 proficient at both
@bismarkeugen6881
4 ай бұрын
I feel like the Tau should have/use more mines and other, deployable area denial. "Melee? Sure, I choose Claymore... Claymore mine that is."
@mattisbette3932
4 ай бұрын
Mines and kamikaze drones are something I wish GW would add to the Tau roster.
@MarcusVance
4 ай бұрын
That would be perfect, actually. Scifi caltrops, helicopter drones with Monofilament wire rotors.
@calebbarnhouse496
4 ай бұрын
I wish they had tons of drones equipped with flamethrowers, that would shatter moral of a charging guard unit in seconds
@BlaiseTreat
4 ай бұрын
@@MarcusVancesmoke screen drones would be cool too. A like a moveable area that grants cover to all units inside it, enemies and allies included.
@GiRR007
2 ай бұрын
@@mattisbette3932im pretty sure missles are basically already kamikaze drones.
@pukei-pukei2536
4 ай бұрын
The thing is, Tau aren't even that bad in a fist fight, being about as good as a normal humans. Its just that everything that isnt the imperial gard (and sometimes the gard if they have ogrins) are at minimum low superhuman with incredible ability in melee. Mike Tyson couldn't do jack shit against Master Chief. Would you say he sucks in melee becuse of it?
@Aztesticals
4 ай бұрын
Idk. Tyson in his prime. Loaded up with ephedrine and vascodialtors and the chance to wind up and get a running start into a full body rotation downward slam into the back side of MasterChef unarmoured head
@pukei-pukei2536
4 ай бұрын
@@Aztesticals maybe. But I think it still gets my point across.
@EliasLupin
4 ай бұрын
This, and we have already seen how effective T'au can be when they train for it. Farsight used this against the Orks, for example. Its just, well... Really dumb to fucking charge your enemy when you can shoot them from kilometers away.
@Dunkopf
3 ай бұрын
@@Aztesticals eh still doesn't stand a chance. All Spartans have bullet time and enhanced senses. It's damn hard to take them by surprise.
@khoipham8303
4 ай бұрын
With auto-aiming Railcannons and a vast arsenal of long-ranged missiles, the Tau rarely has a reason to go for close combat. But then there are some Tau who uses their Exosuits as pretty much WH40K equivalent Titanfall mechs/ Gundams, using the enhanced speed, armor, and power to absolutely wreak havoc on the battlefields.
@NewgirlNola
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, don’t forget that the reason so many factions in warhammer fight in melee so much doesn’t usually have anything to do with any sort of advanced tactical reasoning. They fight in melee all the time because they’re simply just fucking insane.
@redking1851
4 ай бұрын
I think I remember reading that Another big part of it is the Tau have a slower rate of visual change ( what ever you call it) So it takes them longer to focus a closer range so they're a little bit worse in melee because of that slowing down their reactions
@devin5201
4 ай бұрын
That's called bad framerate
@callisto1234
4 ай бұрын
There was one tau so creepy and good at killing that he infiltrated an astartes fortress monastery and almost killed them all. They had to use an orbital bombardment to stop him (he lived) His name was kais. Real creepy dude, but it wasnt his fault
@eldhaxan
4 ай бұрын
...he LIVED?
@callisto1234
4 ай бұрын
@@eldhaxan yep, the orbital bombardment hit his mech but it survived, the last space marine whent to check inside and the cockpit was empty, he dipped out and he's now just out there....SOMEWHERE
@starhammer5247
4 ай бұрын
Shares a name with the guy from Fire Warrior, the same fellow who ended dreadnoughts solo, so that seems to be a running theme.
@CollinMcLean
4 ай бұрын
@@starhammer5247 I'm now convinced Krais is just a title for especially powerful Tau warriors who got amalgamized into a single entity.
@starhammer5247
4 ай бұрын
@@CollinMcLean I bet the guy who solo killed three Space Marines was also a Kais.
@FreshNewtype
4 ай бұрын
The Tau are about as close as Warhammer gets to understanding that you can solve most problems by dropping a 500lb bomb on it.
@Nerdiness1985
4 ай бұрын
Democracy approves.
@Hiraeth010
4 ай бұрын
Till you find out humanity will life wipe a planet if they deem it unsalvageable
@Hyde-dg7ef
4 ай бұрын
Thats why, when the tau were first introduced into wh40k, they received flak bc of how some thought the tau dont fit in 40k. Nowadays, its widely accepted that the Tau are pretty much the closest equivalent to being reasonable in a galaxy that has (mostly) abandoned reason.
@farkasmactavish
4 ай бұрын
"You want to keep your enemies as far as possible while fighting" is THE driving force behind any arms race. You want to hit the other guy either harder or from farther away, but ideally both. Nukes and ICBMs are the current height of such a philosophy, hitting THE hardest from THE farthest away.
@antoniorocha9684
4 ай бұрын
Wata zOg U piMK Umi jUst sAy? its KRUMOING time!
@braindeadmemer
4 ай бұрын
Ranged combat *is* the smartest choice, however 40k is a rather silly setting all things considered
@dragonseatcheese8727
4 ай бұрын
I will say that as much as I like the concept of the Tau being the sort of underdog, the only reason they're alive is because of how slow and dangerous moving ANYTHING is in 40k. I mean, think about it. One of their most core technologies, their FTL travel, is possibly the single worst in sci-fi. It takes forever to get anywhere, it's easy to mess up, and if you DO fuck up it summons ACTUAL DEMONS that you then need to deal with, at which point you've probably forgotten all about the Tau. Star Trek's FTL is at least safe. Mass Effect's is safe, and can be VERY fast if you're moving through a relay. Star Wars is a lot less safe, but if you stay on the routes you can cross the galaxy very quickly with ease. Halo's Slipspace is generally very safe (with some notable exceptions), and currently the least capable faction with its use can get 960 light years per day with it. Like, The Imperium probably loses more people annually to fucking tuberculosis than every one of their ridiculous enemies wielding actual fucking magic simply because the lengths between engagements is so enormous and living conditions are quite poor.
@brody7714
4 ай бұрын
They do have some plasma swords for battlesuits, and force gauntlets, but overall they are extremely uncommon and usually used for niche scenarios. They also have auxiliary forces that can be used for melee
@piotrwisniewski70
4 ай бұрын
I think if Tau met Golden age humanity, they would befriend each other, seeing how they both share basically everything Somehow, Tau are closer to real lofe humanity than Empire of mankind
@rezaganjizadeh4263
4 ай бұрын
imgaine them finding the stc for the tomohawk cruise missile
Not to mention boarding actions and tunnel fighting. The cramped conditions almost force a melee fight to ensue. And with how many horde armies there are your likely to run out of ammo and fight in melee
@averageeughenjoyer6429
4 ай бұрын
@@Dokari-l9m3-4 kills don’t change the outcome of a war, everything that would fight you in melee is stronger than a polar bear
@Dokari-l9m
4 ай бұрын
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 I was think human on human but there are other forces in 40k. Space marines can kill a lot more tyranids than 4. Not to mention daemons, orks, warp infused psykers, power armored forces, and any number of thing. You don’t even need them to win the fight. Send arco flagellants to hold an enemy in place and use artillery
@averageeughenjoyer6429
4 ай бұрын
@@Dokari-l9m Those tactics only work with a ten thousand year old empires that have more men than bullets, tau don’t have the numbers to do melee
@alannatherson7721
4 ай бұрын
T'au may be bad at melee combat but you're going to have one hell of a time getting close enough to exploit that weakness.
@RoleplayUnderMaintenance
4 ай бұрын
It’s all fun and games until the church-sized mecha which your captain said “That’s nothing but a preposterous rumor how can they possibly afford to waste so much of their resources” when you asked him about the titans… Then they hear a headsplitting gorge of trumpets and sirens as a giant knight sprints towards them, crushing all of them instantly as the pure suit of steel makes impact with their frail bodies. The world has abandoned reason a looong time ago. Although the Tau are stalwart in their greater good and molitary tact. They may eventually find themselves making the same faults and mistakes that their mortal enemies have come to rely on.
@18Krieger
4 ай бұрын
To be fair. Melee is often overrepesented and memed upon. The more resonable factions prefer to shoot from afar. Most Space Marine Chapters use ranged weapons most of the time and stay out of melee unless necessary and they have dedicated melee troops. Imperial Guard also fights most of the time ranged and the "fix the bayonets" is more a meme than standart strategy. Sororitas fight pretty close range but Bolters are the main weapon. Necrons fight ranged combat in most cases, except for honourable duels or their mentally unstable outcasts. Eldar also mostly fight long range fights with very specialiced melee units. The Orks, the Tyranids and many Servants of Chaos seek melee. That the Tau choose ranged is not that special, their Tactics and good coordination are. Tau are also one of the physically weakest species in 40K.
@ctobree5252
4 ай бұрын
Is that the marathon logo?
@jackpfefferkorn3734
4 ай бұрын
the inner circle on the T'au logo is slightly smaller than the Marathon logo, but they are nearly the same.
@ParagonGoetia
4 ай бұрын
Meanwhile the Gundam frames: CRACK THE MOON, BREAK THE MACHINE, TAKE BACK EARTH.
@whaaaaaaap
4 ай бұрын
I would. I would say the vast majority of humans suck at melee combat.
@josephjenott931
4 ай бұрын
And then there was Farsight.
@tutudanny
4 ай бұрын
Marathon is everywhere and always
@net343
4 ай бұрын
Infantry wins skirmishes Mechanized units win battles Artillery wins wars
@percevilleburns7100
4 ай бұрын
Does melee suck in modern day logical warfare? Yes. Does it work when teleportation, orbital drop pods, personal forcefields, perfect active camouflage, magical portals, and 100% casualty enemies who spec into nothing but using all that to get within melee range are common on the battlefield ? Most defidently. Basically, it's smart to shoot the enimy from range. But if that space marine captian wants to, he's getting into melee range one way or another and there's not a whole lot you can do about it
@IberianCraftsman
4 ай бұрын
Leagues of Votann also
@slyllamademon2652
4 ай бұрын
The T’au make deepstrike terminators/assault marines worth taking. Same goes for other deep strike units.
@cgreen7157
4 ай бұрын
Nobody should be using melee weapons extensively in the year 40K. The amount of energy that can be imparted to a relatively small projectile is if a soldier is carrying a weapon at the limit of his carrying capacity is an order of magnitude larger than what a soldier of the same strength can impart by swinging a sword. This is because the energy of an attack is equal to the velocity squared (unless physics works differently in 40K), meaning the speed is much more important than the mass in terms of armor penetration. Thus, a huge chain sword swung at 100 mph will only have a fraction of the energy of a bolter round, and if not, than the soldier is not carrying a heavy enough ranged weapon. For example, a space marine could easily carry a bolter 3 times the size of the one they carry in the lore. Such a weapon would essentially vaporize orks and could easily pierce the armor of space marines, where a direct hit would explode most of the internal organs of their chest cavity. The obsession with melee combat is an artifact of making the table top game fun, since a bunch of people shooting each other from 500 yards away and vaporizing entire armies from orbit wouldn't make for a fun table top game or result in really cool looking guys in really cool armor that looks like bad-ass knights from the olden days.
@AnonEMus-cp2mn
4 ай бұрын
Is it possible to cover the Nanosuit 2.0 from the Crysis series? It has a lot of potential stacked up against the other fictional super-soldier heavy hitters, especially given humanity's level of technology in the setting.
@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886
3 ай бұрын
Melee? Thats what they have Kroot are for!
@iansahleen1173
4 ай бұрын
Why fight in melee when everyone in your army has a plasma sniper
@Innoruuk
18 күн бұрын
The Tau suck. Period. For their cost, dmg output is below average, toughness is poor and close combat is abysmal.
@josephsuh525
4 ай бұрын
But it doesn't seems Honorable.
@virutech32
4 ай бұрын
You said its different for enemies that are willing to lose 100% of their forces to gain ground. What like melee makes more sense against robot swarms? that doesn't sound right
@devin5201
4 ай бұрын
I think the idea is that against those crazy rush down dudes it's wise to invest in some close quarter defenses. I don't know a lot about 40k but if these dudes are all about tech I think they create a type of unit that is like a turtle with spikes that retract and come out over and over.
@MalleusSolum
4 ай бұрын
The idea is that against something like a Tyranid swarm or Ork horde you are going to end up in melee combat whether you think it's a good idea or not. So it's a good idea to have some ability in melee when the mindless monsters inevitably reach your lines.
@virutech32
4 ай бұрын
@@MalleusSolum Other than pure handwave BS I don't see how a mindless horde of monsters ever makes it to your position while u pump super accurate missile/artillery/machinegun-fire into them. Even at close range there are far better projectile options. Especially with power armor, robots, and higher tech in play. Like a 4-bore sawed-off full-auto shotgun is probably more effective than a knife. Even more so when you have drones delivering ammo. Iff ur fighting a swarm melee simply does not kill fast enough to worthwhile. If they get that close ur position has already been overrun andbyou should have already rereated
@MalleusSolum
4 ай бұрын
@@virutech32 Yeah those are good points. The mindless horde reaches the line usually due to overwhelming numbers at the kind of scale that 40k tends to do. Point blank firepower is better than melee though. The only possible counterpoint I can think of is for factions like Space Marines where immense physical speed and strength come into play though their exact capabilities get pretty hand-wavey at times. At the end of the day looking for sense in 40k is like looking for ice in the Sahara.
@Hiraeth010
4 ай бұрын
@@virutech32 if we’re applying that statement in a vacuum sure, but with most of these creatures that are reaching melee range, they have ways to cut the distance efficiently. May it be the bugs moving underground..or something wild like using the warp to get closer to an enemies position. Melee is an inevitability in these cases, or against these creatures. There’s also the tech race with armor and weaponry, some of the bugs can withstand some of the projectiles..so can some of the orks or Demons. The tau are as reasonable as one can be in this setting, and they will continue to try and avoid melee to the best of their ability, it’s gonna be hard to convince a bunch of folk that want to go back home, to die in such a horrible way..all that to say they’ve most likely applied these weapons, but it’s either not worked due to warp magic (magic will end up cutting that gap, forcing melee) or the swarms are too intense and close to rely on those methods, without risking their own troops.
@professionaldaft7403
4 ай бұрын
Day 223 of asking Marcus to review Tau pulse weapons
@Forsparda
4 ай бұрын
sucking at melee combat only makes sense when your enemy cant teleport 8 foot tall super murder lads armed with weapons that can shred your tanks in armour that can shrug off all but your heaviest of weapons
@elishafollet5347
4 ай бұрын
I don't think any form of melee is going to help if your opponent is teleporting around wrecking tanks with his hands and shrugging of the vast majority of your fire with absolute ease even if they weren't as tall as a space marine
@Forsparda
4 ай бұрын
@@elishafollet5347 what about orkz and all there terrifying teliporta's and weird boyz? oi fink der moit be sum logical gubbins to be ad being able ta scrap wit em
@rainy4902
2 ай бұрын
BOOO! Lame! Pick up a sword and fight like a human! I get it if you’re a foot soldier but y’all have fuckin mechs, that go at insane speeds and give you a lot of defence, but you still choose to use a gun? Actual waste of resources.
@trentberry6968
4 ай бұрын
Tau Propaganda!
@chancecisneros3492
4 ай бұрын
Stolen human technology
@randomelite4562
4 ай бұрын
What
@veasnatdm4861
4 ай бұрын
That true In 40k, gun are more valuable than human live. So melee is more cost effective for the battlefield this way.
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