Facing attack engie in class warfare that isn’t an team of demo and heavy is 90% the definition of slow and painful. It like a horror game where the horror is slowly creeping up.
@VenatorHelldivers
2 жыл бұрын
What is the wording on this???
@dikiyhuy
2 жыл бұрын
godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and fucking died
@didge69420
2 жыл бұрын
Grrrra gurhhha *LONG INTENSE FARD NOISE*
@ZorotheGallade
2 жыл бұрын
And then someone rtd's powerplay and breaks everything sending the entire match back to square one.
@vivelespatat2670
2 жыл бұрын
@@ZorotheGallade or Homing Projectile with Soldier
@jadziadiix8699
2 жыл бұрын
i can say with full confidence the hardest i have ever laughed in TF2 was any time i was in a class wars matchup of medic vs. medic on either A+D or CTF. the server basically becomes 32 decapitated chickens screaming medic and threatening to saw through your bones
@lordpumpkinhead265
2 жыл бұрын
The terror of 8 uber'd Ubersaw medics charging at you with 8 Ubering them is not something you can replicate in another game.
@FancyMcSchmancy
Жыл бұрын
*primal German fear*
@vivelespatat2670
Жыл бұрын
1 Medic turning into a power class is a bad move. 16 Medic turning into a power class is an approved strategy.
@e-cap1239
Жыл бұрын
@@vivelespatat2670Only 16? I'm glad the summer update has blessed us with up to 50 players on each team.
@quantummelody2959
11 ай бұрын
Just reading that made me laugh
@BIONICTHUMB
2 жыл бұрын
I will say Pyro vs Pyro is always the best match up because the insane amount of particles makes servers stop working properly
@davisdf3064
2 жыл бұрын
When the server fucking crashes due to too many particles
@RegalRoyalWasTaken
2 жыл бұрын
Pyro has ascended from setting people on fire to setting computers on fire
@dav786
2 жыл бұрын
Or demo vs demo bcs of the number of stickys
@seronymus
2 жыл бұрын
Source 1 Engine moment
@carnivorebear6582
2 жыл бұрын
Pfft back in my day pyros could crash servers single handedly by lodging flares into walls
@somegoofballwhohasinternet7313
2 жыл бұрын
Engineer is proof that teamwork is the most overpowered aspect of Team Fortress 2, who knew.
@krag3405
2 жыл бұрын
You misspelled wrangler
@royplatt455
2 жыл бұрын
@@krag3405 no, he renamed his Wrangler "Teamwork" obviously
@Alltheprayers
2 жыл бұрын
@@royplatt455 _kek_
@derekg5006
2 жыл бұрын
Otherwise it'll be Fortress 2
@iamthemouse4483
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe the real TF2 was the friends we made along the way.
@Cheez1000
2 жыл бұрын
I started to get very concerned when I saw that every class was weak to Engineer
@soulknight5330
Жыл бұрын
*YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
@FancyMcSchmancy
Жыл бұрын
They instill Engifear.
@gelamity
Жыл бұрын
your ugly - engineer
@MK-gb7ht
Жыл бұрын
Beware Texas. Beware Texas.
@gelamity
Жыл бұрын
@@MK-gb7ht the only reason why engi is so op is because he lives in texas which is hotter than the sun
@Houndouur
2 жыл бұрын
"A pyro can beat a soldier, but 16 pyros will never beat 16 soldiers" has some deep philosophical implications
@vivelespatat2670
2 жыл бұрын
The implication being if it doesn't work, you need more gun (and explosives)
@abhaybhatt4286
2 жыл бұрын
An equal skill pyro will never consistently win against an equal skill soldier except for the first few gotcha moments. Even when the pyro is an airblast god, the soldier will just win every shotgun duel thanks to more HP
@Houndouur
2 жыл бұрын
@@abhaybhatt4286 25 more health vs 20% more speed tho
@fatnootz3466
2 жыл бұрын
soldier is slower than pyro so pyro can just use his flamethrow in conjuction with his flare guns n shit. Sure stock soldier could theroetically be better then stock pyro (again tho pyro can just use his flamethrower since hes faster) but like meta pyro doesnt use stock, he uses like 90% of his better weapons
@glichteddude4304
2 жыл бұрын
@@abhaybhatt4286 also literally 90% of Soldier players use either a banner,boots or forget they have a shotgun
@thespiceman9367
2 жыл бұрын
Defense Engineer is simultaneously the most fun and most annoying to play against
@Limeskin
2 жыл бұрын
Balancing moment.
@somerandomperson9948
2 жыл бұрын
Engineer gaming
@JoseCarlos2103
2 жыл бұрын
@@Limeskin engineer gaming
@notmichiru
2 жыл бұрын
engineer gaming
@11equalsfish
2 жыл бұрын
Engineer Gaming
@icetide9411
2 жыл бұрын
I remember my first time going against attack Medic, and my god did I underestimate them. As long as they know how the ubersaw works, it's an endless horde of invincible zombies
@Chinaball-fx7gi
2 жыл бұрын
My time as attack med was made a bit more interesting considering I don't have the Ubersaw even though I have 2k hours in this game
@taylorevandale4261
Жыл бұрын
From my experience, Soldier and Demoman are the only ones who can defeat the Medic army easily. Everyone else (especially Scout, since he does the lowest damage in general) struggles.
@ZorotheGallade
Жыл бұрын
Then the ones who can't ubersaw hang back and spam crossbows from the back line, healing their allies and mowing down your team. Or give them the vaccinator buff to make them even more immortal. A thing of beauty, really
@thunderspark1536
Жыл бұрын
@@taylorevandale4261Heavy works even better due to the holiday punch able to hit ubered players and make em laugh
@windhelmguard5295
10 ай бұрын
@@taylorevandale4261 pyros and scouts are the only defence against uber chaining medics. since they need to get into melee range to ubersaw you in the face air blast and the scouts speed paired with the force-a-nature knock back are pretty safe for keeping the medics at bay. everyone else is just fodder, spies die to the hail of needles, demoman needs too much coordination to not detonate all stickies on the point the moment just one of them looses uber, heavies get rolled as soon as more than two of them start running out of ammo, soldiers might do it if they're all smart enough to use the cow mangler, which they're not. hell i have seen uber medics roll over defence engineer on badwater last week, it's completely insane.
@Vastamaz
2 жыл бұрын
Slowly watching the video get closer to engineer and seeing all the power classes have losing matchups is very suspenseful.
@fallongarens6734
Жыл бұрын
Power classes are nothing without a team! :3
@bobbyferg9173
Жыл бұрын
@@fallongarens6734 To be fair, support classes are even less without a team
@Skullhawk13
Жыл бұрын
@@bobbyferg9173sentry is power, Dispenser is medic, Teleporter is scout. Engineer is Engihere
@WarTie
7 ай бұрын
@@Skullhawk13The Engineer is Engi-here to fill you with Engi-fear.
@Skullhawk13
7 ай бұрын
@@WarTie precisely.
@jakedoesyoutube
2 жыл бұрын
Sniper V Sniper on Sawmill turned into a Submachine-Piss-Fest. It was a ton of fun to beat people with the SMG.
@johnnyjoestar4473
2 жыл бұрын
One note about Attacking Medic: If the team coordinates right, they can basically just use stock ubers like a fake Bonk and ignore the entire enemy team, save for engi. If they do it right, they can win games as fast as scout teams.
@nellzdablackking
2 жыл бұрын
The keyword there is 'if'.
@johnnyjoestar4473
2 жыл бұрын
@@nellzdablackking Absolutely but I've seen it happen a surprising amount of times. Although, to be fair, most of those times were when my team was on Scout, Sniper, Spy, or a Medic ditto.
@darkness74185
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyjoestar4473 would be a lot less viable when the other team has knockback options, so Soldier Demo Engineer and really good Pyro teams are out of the question. *Maybe* Heavy too if they body block but that's 50/50
@johnnyjoestar4473
2 жыл бұрын
@@darkness74185 Yeah, but definitely something to look out for when you're defending as a somewhat lackluster defense class.
@carljohan9265
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like medic is the class that can swing the widest in this mode. Can fail miserably if played badly, but can completely dominate if the team plays and coordinates well. If you have a couple of medics that know how to use the vaccinator for example that's a MASSIVE advantage in a mode like this, and crit uber can fail horribly if your mark can't aim needles but it can also tear new assholes surprisingly fast if he DOES know how to aim needles. If a team can combine uber chains, well aimed crit needles and melee, and you got vaccinator medics protecting the crit boosted guys, that can be surprisingly brutal.
@tohg7.859
2 жыл бұрын
"You know what this team needs? Five more snipers." - The Sniper
@CyborgCharlotte
2 жыл бұрын
“Too right mate” “Yeah!” “Bloody beaut!” “Wicked!” “Aaaallll right!” - The other 5 snipers
@MajorwormXcv
2 жыл бұрын
G'DAY
@katokianimation
2 жыл бұрын
8 spy vs 8 sniper would sound just like casual tf2
@iamthemouse4483
2 жыл бұрын
*Spin-bot engage*
@glassofwater281
2 жыл бұрын
Let's get to work!
@LexaByteNV
2 жыл бұрын
defense engineer plays like a tower defense game, playing against it can sometimes be really hype due to the severity of the challenge (if morale somehow remains high) the best strategy for attack spy is to try to turn the map friendly and sneak a back cap
@cursedhfy3558
2 жыл бұрын
To be fair that's kind of messed up, and really is just cheating.
@vivelespatat2670
2 жыл бұрын
Spy going for a sneaky cap after turning the whole server friendly is expected from him. Its a SPY.
@LexaByteNV
2 жыл бұрын
@@vivelespatat2670 Exactly, let spies be spies. The whole point is to be deceitful.
@CoralCopperHead
2 жыл бұрын
@@cursedhfy3558 You're a spy, if you don't cheat, you don't try.
@lordrj4203
Жыл бұрын
@@LexaByteNV now now that doesn't mean we can't kill those *friendly* spies cause you never know They can even be....
@jotarokujo857
2 жыл бұрын
"Because the Gibus engineer who is just an absolute chad is just going around upgrading everything"... Jit got called out for the first time ever 😂
@jotarokujo857
2 жыл бұрын
69 nice 😎
@honkhonk8009
Жыл бұрын
Bro these gibus engies carry hard. Half the time they just random kids who wanna help their team out, and chose some support class like medic or engine cus they dont play well as anything else lmfao.
@showmesomethingrandom4163
Жыл бұрын
@@honkhonk8009 fr, when i first ever got on tf2 in 2020 i instantly played engineer on 2fort and just camped blue's intel room (i was red engie)
@BongoThe
10 ай бұрын
@@showmesomethingrandom4163 you goddamn madman.
@Dr.looksmaxxer
9 ай бұрын
Its me i was the gibus engineer
@moldycarrot9267
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, we used to have class wars in the early days of tf2. They called them "the Medic update", "the Pyro update, "a Heavy update", etc.
@Skullhawk13
Жыл бұрын
Or…ya know the two ACTUAL class WARS. Demo/Sold, Sniper/Spy.
@augustday9483
Жыл бұрын
Jungle Inferno was all pyro, all the time 😄
@philardo
11 ай бұрын
@@augustday9483cant believe how long its been T_T
@Awesomeness-iz3dh
2 жыл бұрын
I think the versatility of Demoman having the most different and distinct subclass in the game is underrated. Demo is more or less the only class that can have a balance of power classes to hold the line and pick classes that are completely different to deal with counters to stock Demo, which when played optimally has a lot of potential.
@leoelbocchifan
2 жыл бұрын
Soldier also has a pick class variant, the trolldier
@Awesomeness-iz3dh
2 жыл бұрын
@@leoelbocchifan Yeah but Trolldier is way worse.
@leoelbocchifan
2 жыл бұрын
@@Awesomeness-iz3dh skill issue
@ArpaZha
2 жыл бұрын
@@leoelbocchifan your pretty limited by most maps
@sirchris6047
2 жыл бұрын
Fat scout 😭
@Sythll
2 жыл бұрын
I remember being in a game where medic was attacking and engineer was defending and the medics actually managed to push through and win through sheer force of uber
@ThingInTheHall
15 күн бұрын
Popped Übercharge and rolled in? Maybe with a kritz?
@Geebanger0
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen a team of defending engineers lose ONCE. It was dustbowls third stage against a team of heavies, who had to gradually spam their way through the lines of sentries until they got to the final point, and even then it took the better part of 20 minutes to do so.
@sheacorduroy5565
2 жыл бұрын
The best game of class wars I ever had was heavy vs engineer, with engineer on offense. Ended up backcapping as one engineer with 17 seconds left in the round and was literally worshipped as a god by the rest of the server. Edit: The server I was on was the old skiver server that had a plug-in to prevent engineer from placing anything more than mini-sentries.
@anonymoose_3450
2 жыл бұрын
I remember when they didn't even have minis. Good times
@titicaca.
2 жыл бұрын
and then everyone clapped
@blueberrimuffin6682
2 жыл бұрын
@@titicaca. God forbid people tell their fun stories.
@titicaca.
2 жыл бұрын
@@blueberrimuffin6682 sorry didnt hear ya I was worshipping this god
@Chinaball-fx7gi
2 жыл бұрын
@@titicaca. eh, from my 2k hours in TF2 it does sound like something that would happen
@minifyesnumberonehater
Жыл бұрын
Engineer slowly being revealed to be the most overpowered class throughout the video is terrifying I’ve never feared a giddy smile until the “Engineer Incident”
@scientificapple69
2 жыл бұрын
Props to Great Blue for not murdering the Kazotsky Kick Heavy at the start
@theCombine25343
2 жыл бұрын
Professionals have STANDARDS.
@burgerking5225
2 жыл бұрын
Check 25:04. He murders a presumably friendly spy for those tasty KGB crits.
@joanaguayoplanell4912
Жыл бұрын
@@burgerking5225 He was just putting him out of the misery of being stuck with Spy on Class Wars
@bolmobelo
Жыл бұрын
You could see him aim,hesitate,then flick away.
@blitz342
2 жыл бұрын
Engineer on attack often falls into the pitfall of “we captured the first point, now we must hold this area at all costs” and starts playing defense instead of pushing to last.
@tuannguyencanh6096
2 жыл бұрын
Before watching video: Engineer on Defense is busted After watching video: yeah i guessed about right
@dexter2392
2 жыл бұрын
The more surprising part is that he's busted on attack as well
@MuichirouTokito416
2 жыл бұрын
I mean,we already know that Defense Engineers is the most overpowered and broken thing u ever see
@velocilevon
Жыл бұрын
@@MuichirouTokito416 Yeah, I don't think anyone was surprised by this. The (slight) downside of attack engie is that they'll have to build everything while being pressured by the enemy team (unless it's the 2d and 3d part of Dustbowl). Defense engineer has a fucking minute or more of complete freedom, and that's more than enough for the short texans to construct a tower fortress of torment lol
@MuichirouTokito416
Жыл бұрын
@@velocilevon Yep,all you need to do when you play Engie on defense is to set your building on right place and done,you win!
@FrostLinKuei1235
Жыл бұрын
@@MuichirouTokito416 True tho, Defense Engineer is way more broken than Sniper which is the most "overpowered" class in TF2 but not in this gamemode
@windhelmguard5295
2 жыл бұрын
one thing to mention about defending sniper: use the machina. just have sixteen sniper shooting the machina down a corridor and nothing'S getting through there.
@windhelmguard5295
2 жыл бұрын
In all seriousness, against sixteen good snipers nobody should be able to win, they only loose because on class wars you have one player who's good at sniper and fifteen who suck.
@darkness74185
2 жыл бұрын
@@windhelmguard5295 yeah. Have you seen 2 good snipers singlehandedly carrying an entire game of dustbowl? Multiply that by 8 and outside of engineers and potentially spies no one's getting through
@vivelespatat2670
2 жыл бұрын
We need 16 Fatmagic
@Buglin_Burger7878
2 жыл бұрын
@@windhelmguard5295 You say to the Medics who can casually walk up to you with double Ubers to shut you down or invisible spies who can just fire their pistol to gun you down and make you chase shadows. Just to name a few simple counters, also isn't there a Pyro weapon Snipers loath?
@windhelmguard5295
2 жыл бұрын
@@Buglin_Burger7878 thing is invisible spies don't really matter when you got sixteen machinas firing constantly (or just an endless rain of jarate) and yea the scorch shot sucks for snipers who suck, but when the entire enemy team is pyros there is no reason to not use Darwin's danger shield. Also the fire is only a problem for snipers who're trying to get head shots, which isn't an issue when you know that the enemy team has nothing that won't easily die to a couple body shots. Uber medics are basically the only thing that could counter a team of 16 competent snipers and they'd have to be REALLY good at chaining Ubers to get it done.
@starmaker75
2 жыл бұрын
One thing I would like to add(and said it again) it dumb that most class warfare use rtd. I get the intended purpose was to give an advantage of the team that had a class disadvantage, but the problem is that since it rng, it possible for the winning to get good rtd, so many times it just adding insult to injury.
@daviddoesstuffandthingigue966
2 жыл бұрын
Skill issue
@jellewoort4315
2 жыл бұрын
@@daviddoesstuffandthingigue966 fr
@SkeletonBoiiiii
2 жыл бұрын
@@daviddoesstuffandthingigue966 🤓
@landlockedcroat1554
2 жыл бұрын
rtd is the best thing ever invented
@malif1279
2 жыл бұрын
Tfw you're being dominated/spawncamped on dustbowl stage 3 for 15 minutes straight and in all that time somehow your team didn't get a single powerplay meanwhile the enemy team got like 5
@gladoseon4117
Жыл бұрын
Engineer stares into your soul as he appears in every other class’s “weak against” list
@M30W3R
2 жыл бұрын
A question arises: what would a Highlander team vs. Single Class/Class War styled team tier list look like? Like, how would the nine classes going up against nine Engineers do?
@brisloviayt829
Жыл бұрын
So a full team of 9 highlander-level players against a team all using one class, or class wars but all the players are highlander-level? If it's the latter, I can easily see Defense Sniper going much higher on the tier list.
@M50A1
Жыл бұрын
Nothing would happen because the Highlander players would ban everything thats fun to use
@youraveragerobloxkid
10 ай бұрын
@@M50A1Go Highlanders!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@M50A1
10 ай бұрын
@@youraveragerobloxkid 😂
@Vivant-u3y
2 жыл бұрын
"I guess when u become the funny hardhat man,u just gain the ability to cooperate " - Great Blue
@davisdf3064
2 жыл бұрын
I mean, it is true
@vivelespatat2670
2 жыл бұрын
I wish it was true in Casual
@honkhonk8009
Жыл бұрын
@@vivelespatat2670 in casual since no one is forced to work together, you basically get cucked over hard. The most OP thing in the game, is having a team that goes out of their way to protect the sentries and shit. Bro i found out whenever I play soldier or demo, that literally just protecting the engineer shit ALONE makes you win the game. Its actually insane how engie by itself is pretty weak, but gets exponentially more powerful the more your team cooperates.
@PineappleDealer37
2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for you to rank every possible class combination you could get on class wars
@ComradeShadow
2 жыл бұрын
Probably Soldier vs Heavy (becuz cold war), Medic vs Heavy (germany vs soviet russia) or spy vs spy (yes)
@FIVEBASKET
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@cosmicvoidtree
2 жыл бұрын
And each instance of it. So each class v each class on attack, defense, and even
@themanwhoatethefrench4505
2 жыл бұрын
That would be 84 different matchups (I think, but I’m probably wrong) that would take hours to watch
@gamerhurley
2 жыл бұрын
@@themanwhoatethefrench4505 wouldn't it be 81 for 9 times 9?
@Flynn217something
2 жыл бұрын
25:09 is probably the single funniest clip in this entire video
@muhammed4803
Жыл бұрын
16:25 i think it's this
@gaming_bigfoot
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of little details went into making this video (editing standpoint) and it's neat to see Not gonna make a massive list on it all or anything, but I appreciate it all the same
@bellknight3310
2 жыл бұрын
I used to play on a class wars server where they realized how broken Engi was, so instead they installed a plugin that made it so that whenever a team spawned as engi it would force medieval mode Which was very funny when the inevitable Defense engi vs Attack demo came up
@taylorevandale4261
Жыл бұрын
I need that server. It’s gonna be really fun when it is medieval mode. I can imagine Demoman is dominant in a class war medieval mode, and Engineer sucks.
@magnusvonbraun9870
11 ай бұрын
Now I need to find Class Wars in Medieval Mode. I can imagine the meta in that game mode is way different.
@legoc-3po845
Жыл бұрын
Medics are my favorites of all time: If you're attacking, if you manage to coordinate well the enemy team will be so confused and surprised of the huge horde of ubered medics that you might actually rush them. And as being defensive, Kritzkrieg+Syringe combo makes you feel like you are rambo by putting surprisingly high DPS. And since a lot of times people underestimate a team full of medics, some teamwork can actually make the dream work.
@boldCactuslad
2 жыл бұрын
when people say RTD exists to beat stalemates, that could be a joke, or at least reference to when tf2 dev said crits are to break stalemates lol. "rtd is fair and balanced" ;)
@velocilevon
Жыл бұрын
Definitely has to be, because it's totally not like RNG can be a bitch and give the spawncamping winning team an even bigger advantage, while showing an ass of the size of King Kong to the poor losing team
@thunderspark1536
Жыл бұрын
Which the devs never actually said. It's for those "rare high moments" as said in the dev log thing,
@Cinnamowo
2 жыл бұрын
Class Wars is a gamemode that I spend a lot of time recently and it's just a lot of fun. I must say, even tho defence heavies are insane, I've once played against them on the Attack Scout side, and somehow we even won. That was some really nice coordination of mad milks and probably the first time dustbowl was helpful with it's tight corridors. Never had so much fun killing heavies
@oldmanhunch6856
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been frequenting this server for a little while now so it was really cool to see some familiar names show up in the killfeed. Hope I get to see you their sometime!
@TheRealAxman13
2 жыл бұрын
Same, I'm actually surprised I *haven't* seen GB in the time I've been on the servers. I recognized at least 5 regulars on the Blackwonder servers or so from the vid.
@dungeondeezdragons4242
2 жыл бұрын
Human brain ultimately works on hierarchies, so a tier list is a very fitting thing for taking in not very complex information
@MuichirouTokito416
2 жыл бұрын
Defense Engineer:"You have become the very thing you swore to destroy!"
@skelecogaming2890
2 жыл бұрын
30:43 That nobody would be crazy enough to think "oh it's fun to have 3-4 of this one class, what if the entire team was the class?"
@ThatBeePerson
2 жыл бұрын
One thing I might add is that if you go into class wars with a pre made team you can do a really funny thing with projectile classes like soldier, medic, and engineer with pomson, which is coordinated firing squads. I've done that, me and some friends lined up and staggered our shots so that by the time the last in the row fired the first had already fully reloaded so it was just a constant barrage of cowmangler shots, it was fun, class wars allows for a surprisingly high amount of coordination, because it doesn't matter how bad the matchup is (unless it's spy) a well coordinated team led by somebody who understands actual tactics will always be the victor. I've seen engineers on defense crumble because scouts just smash through the first defense and then cap last before they can even get set up
@thehoodedteddy1335
2 жыл бұрын
25:02 legit clever move by that spy
@Idontlikeanyonehere
Жыл бұрын
My fright grew massively when it got to heavy and there was still no one strong against engie Edit: it’s worse than I imagined, even engineer is weak against engineer
@wormius7350
2 жыл бұрын
I remember once in casual on Frontier we all decided to go heavy. There was literally nothing red could do against us, it was hilarious
@Dr.looksmaxxer
9 ай бұрын
That same happened but with the enemy team going engineer, we cant do anything if we cant work together and to make matter worst non ofbus goes engineer to defense the intel and 1 scout was enough to defeat us 😂
@bobbyferg9173
Жыл бұрын
Turns out Engineer really took to his motto of “use more gun” and used 16 Engineers worth of gun to dominate everything
@FrostLinKuei1235
Жыл бұрын
Tbh if there's something I can do about this gamemode,this is what I will do: _Ambassador in this gamemode is revert back to the pre-nerf Jungle Inferno state _Short Circuit cannot get metals from dispenser or payload cart while active _Reduced Wrangler shiled resistance from x3 to x2,when sentry is unwrangled the shield is gone _RTD can only be used when the number players on both teams are 7 or more
@averageperson613
2 жыл бұрын
"Enemies are constantly going to be milked" -Great Blue 2020
@balancemaster55
2 жыл бұрын
Spy beats engie if you have a good team, but since you don’t really get great players often, and if you do they rarely play together it sucks. Class wars as engie is op is because it’s a class made to work with others so a engie doing well himself is doing well for his team.
@Petal316
Жыл бұрын
i just noticed something.... You designed the class icons SUPER well, hell, its amazing to look at! Attack icons are most obviously blue, but notice how they always look right? they do! every attack icon looks right. Same for defense, obviously red, but they always look LEFT! what about for even? Well Great Blue did an amazing thing! they have a more soft coloring, not blue, or red! And get this... THEY LOOK FORWARD. Im probably going too far into this but GOD DAMMIT i would be sad if graphic design wasn't my passion! Oh and uh... the rest of the video is good. yeah.
@fammydamammy
2 жыл бұрын
I remember playing in a class wars server back in the day that restricted engineers to mini sentries, if I recall correctly it was skiver's class wars server but I have no clue if that server is still around since its been years
@acarter9806
Жыл бұрын
You'd never expect it in a tier list video but the buildup to the engineer reveal with the matchups list, always present but never directly commented on, is some amazing storytelling.
@DuelJ007
Жыл бұрын
The fact that the engineer portrait is smug makes it 10x better
@FlakkerDPS
2 жыл бұрын
While i do understand that engineer is a powerhouse, i feel like you're overhyping him a bit much in offense. Short circuit spam will literally only save you if the locker has a direct sightline to spawn exit to hurt people spawn camping, 'cause other than that, even those small delays of running to it to recharge wont help them get out if the defensive class is too oppressive. Also, offensive engineer will at best control the 1st point but the second they have to go through a choke it's over. They're too slow to move and that's their weakness, they tend to require much more time than given. In regards to the classes that can precisely keep them in check: Any of the main 4 powerclasses unless it's some dumb stuff like stage 1 dustbowl and even then, heavies will still have a field day. At the end, offensive engineer is as good as the set up time he gets. If he gets none, he can easily be kept contained, which is why i believe heavy to be the best class (other than defensive engine) to deal with them. They don't care about losing their projectiles, they have a lot of HP and will shred buildings (and engies), plus they can heal themselves as well. In regards to defense engie: he's broken yes, but saying that the best pick against him is soldier is like...what about the short circuit literally deleting their primary??? If anything heavy's the one with the best chance to pierce through (like you said), at that point it comes down to skill. If engies split up to protect all points they're fucked. If they focus defense on last then yes, nothing beats that. On neutral is like i said. It comes down to how well they can be contained and some classes can absolutely do that. ...i really don't understand why you seem fixated on implying that soldier is the one with the highest chance when both him and demo suffer the same issue. Heavy is the one with that chance, the class that doesn't care about projectile deletion
@red5t653
2 жыл бұрын
The issue with Heavy is that Heavies can't outdamage sentries, especially since Heavies specifically DEAL LESS DAMAGE to sentries Plus, they're slow, so they really can't push up easily Soldier at the very least has the potential to even temporarily shut down a sentry, or the ability to straight up delete one faster than basically any other class Yeah the Short Circuit counters this hard but it's still potentially possible... BARELY
@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8
2 жыл бұрын
Heavy on offense will struggle to even leave spawn since there are several sentries surrounding them from all angles that have effectively several thousands of Hp to chew through. Basically imagine the heavies having to face other heavies that are standing outside spawn and effectively have more hp then them, as well as insane damage, healing, extra rocket damage, and support from the short circuit engineers firing at them dealing AOE
@titicaca.
2 жыл бұрын
@@red5t653 soldier cant kill a sentry faster than a loch n load demo
@red5t653
2 жыл бұрын
@@titicaca. The Direct Hit exists (it's got a faster projectile and doesn't need to arc) Also Soldiers have the Cow Mangler to disable sentries too
@titicaca.
2 жыл бұрын
@@red5t653 loch n load has a faster firing rate, so if the sentry isnt across the entire map it can be killed faster
@purplehaze2358
2 жыл бұрын
12:07 Hey, wait a minute. How is there a dispenser there when your entire team is nothing but soldiers?
@dixieplayz1574
2 жыл бұрын
RTD, my friend
@trashman4500
2 жыл бұрын
The same force which lets people that just died revive themselves by pressing E, give people tons of HP in overheal, and overall make Halloween spells look balanced by comparison.
@danyakurachianimeart5069
2 жыл бұрын
Simple. *rolls the dice* me: lets see what I get *The Dice showing a D* me: ooh D for what? *DISPENSER*
@thunderspark1536
Жыл бұрын
@@danyakurachianimeart5069 ERECT
@IdeasAreBulletproof
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe adding 2fort Any 3 and 5 Control Point map and Halloween maps into Class Wars could spice up Class wars. Maybe making RTD 120s wait or having some servers where it is disabled or customized to put a balance which otherwise wouldn't be there.
@purplehaze2358
2 жыл бұрын
This gamemode is basically a microcosm of why casual needs a class cap, but it’s literally the entire point of the game.
@VodkaBanana69
2 жыл бұрын
I will always rembember that time where I was playing class wars on dustbowl, it was the 3rd phase, the matchup was Engineers (blu team) vs Pyros (red team), I was on the red team and the blu team capped the 1st point and they were getting dangerously near to the 2nd point because they built a whole nest on the 1st point, I then used the !rtd command, and I got a Powerplay which allowed me to whipe the whole nest, long story short, we (red team) won, with a total of *SEVEN* powerplays in the same round. Truly astounding.
@pepperonipizza8200
2 жыл бұрын
I've honestly had more luck playing attack spy than defense spy.
@SneakybeakyScrub
2 жыл бұрын
theres a weird discrepancy where on the defending engineer part it says they have a two star advantage but on the attacking engineer its says they have a 3 star disadvantage to defending engineer
@johngarland4338
2 жыл бұрын
Well clearly it’s just that it’s in a quantum superposition.
@GenericVideoGameNPC
2 жыл бұрын
Medic VS Engineer is actually a lot less unfair than you'd think, I was medic and won against engies on defence because we could just keep shooting and healing over and over
@FerretNoir
2 жыл бұрын
I played class wars for a few hours today, and there were about 8 people in the lobby discussing this video. Ultimately, it was decided that this video is a pretty great guide for players. I hadn't actually watched it yet so I didn't give my thoughts lol
@randomjhoni5993
2 жыл бұрын
i just watched the introduction and i can already tell you did your research, especially from the perspective of someone who follows the FGC, love that you take more than just matchups into consideration and the way you divided the classes
@wigglybones37
2 жыл бұрын
one note about attacking spy, i have been in a few games where we won while getting spawncamped to shit because someone somehow backcapped and nobody on the defending team noticed in time
@TheRealAxman13
2 жыл бұрын
I've developed a fun little habit anytime I have to be against engies on defense; I start playing (JP) Bad Future Wacky Workbench, from Sonic CD. It cheers me up enough through the very stacked odds. (not taking RTD into effect of course) This is very effective when the local rotation server is full and I'm stuck on the 24/7 Dustbowl server where we ended up wiping the first 2 rounds then get stuck on the 3rd area for 18 minutes because no one on the team wants to surrender.
@imaginaryedge60
Жыл бұрын
i remember getting a Sniper (Defense) vs Engineer (Offense) on Dustbowl last; everyone thought it was game over. What no one expected, is that the snipers hold last for over 30 minutes straight and win.
@Gotmilk0112
Жыл бұрын
Heavy actually does surprisingly well against Defending Engineer, at least on the first and second stages of Dusbowl. Third stage not so much, but mostly because that whole segment is designed to be defense-favored. You’re not gonna win that without a few Powerplays / Mercs Die Twice. Short Circuit spam doesn’t do much because of Heavy’s large health pool, and miniguns do not have (as much?) damage drop-off against buildings, so it’s pretty easy for one or two heavies to take down a level 3 sentry that isn’t being actively repaired. Plus there’s lots of corners/ledges in the first two stages to abuse and shoot around. Specifically, in Stage 2 of Dustbowl, there’s a stack of tires just before the final point where a Heavy can stand on top of it and the sentries will try to shoot you, but they can’t shoot over the ledge....but you can still shoot them. I always tell the team about that and we mow down all the sentries in the corner pretty easily.
@jahjalh9648
Жыл бұрын
Halfway in, and I'm noticing two trends: spy tends to end up in disadvantage a lot, and engy seems to end up in advantage a lot... I think I know who the top and bottom tiers are.
@kalimatronix
2 жыл бұрын
40:15 Well yes, defense is easier than an offense! Scout is literally the only exception there, being worse in defense.
@sbrensbeve7982
Жыл бұрын
When you think about it, fighting an engie is like fighting a stationary amalgamation of a heavy, soldier, medic, and pyro if you include the short circuit.
@st7038
2 жыл бұрын
I really like class wars even tho some rounds are straight unfair with some matchups but still like playing because its hilarious sometimes and fun i love when its arena Just shit when you want to change weapons in arena
@SQTheFunnyGuy
Жыл бұрын
this deserves a sequel I'm not sure if it's only blackwonder class wars servers doing this but there is now a 2v2 class wars that happens every now and again where each team gets 2 random classes and they can only use those 2 classes
@NotASpyReally
2 жыл бұрын
what if there was a gamemode that was like class wars but instead of just 1 class per team it were 2 classes per team? No more, just 2, half and half, you can't choose which one you are. Would a team of heavies+medics win against a team of engineers+someone else?
@red5t653
2 жыл бұрын
In that case Demo/Medic beats basically everything else and it's not really a question There's not much in TF2 that's more powerful than an Ubered Demoman. Multiply that by like 6-8... You get the idea
@ogre6479
2 жыл бұрын
Second class would always be medic
@nitaishneor6214
Жыл бұрын
Engie being god-tier makes a whole lot of sense after you realise that all his weaknesses stem from being alone, picked from afar, harassed by players that the rest of your team ignores, and running out of resources at specific times such as an Uber push. Having 16 engineers means that while one is having a breather, others can make the most out of it. This number advantage nullifies the specific weaknesses of engineer and more closely resembles and uses the average utility the he has to the fullest
@aenigmatrices
2 жыл бұрын
I occasionally see Scouts absolutely dominating on defense against power classes at Dustbowl, especially Stage 2.
@Mathos7979
Жыл бұрын
The most impressive part is that he found a class wars server that isn't just dustbowl
@Garathon
2 жыл бұрын
You're the only channel that I watch when they make tierlists, which is surprising to me (that you can make such a bad format actually good).
@Rayquaza-Really
2 жыл бұрын
To think Engineer is pretty much a Medic and Heavy and Soldier at once while being its own special is Funni
@summitklauk1941
2 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video of the fastest you can go in tf2 if everything stacked and there were no movement speed linit
@nathanhays8696
2 жыл бұрын
He already did that in his video where he figured out what would happen if weapons that had a certain cap, like the Bazaar Bargain and the Eyelander.
@summitklauk1941
2 жыл бұрын
@@nathanhays8696 nah like if a scout had a baby face, conch, and escape plan on one health, how fast would he go?
@nathanhays8696
2 жыл бұрын
@@summitklauk1941 ask someone in the modding community idk
@slantedhorses4233
2 жыл бұрын
this video is SO well put together, the graphics, the transitions, the DETAIL, good stuff!
@jack21kidyt64
2 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing a clip of some guy playing as scout against medic in classwars and screaming in vc I GOT THE MEDIC and then he realizes its classwars
@Dante-gf7cc
3 ай бұрын
8:02 "this means that enemies are pretty much constantly going to be milked"
@Intrafacial86
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing compares to demo vs demo. The teams typically split into subclasses: regular demo, hybridknight, and full demoknight (and the occasional sticky booty). Holding the point as a full demoknight with booties, CnT, and half zatoichi is such a _RUSH._ Only other thing that comes close is soldier vs soldier. When the push comes and both teams are blasting their banners, shit gets _REAL._
@eur0be4t3r
29 күн бұрын
American Civil War
@Gr1ff-1333
2 жыл бұрын
A well thought out and detailed video anf list. Very enjoyable!
@RealityMasterRogue
2 жыл бұрын
Formatting on this video is very clean and easy to understand. Good work
@KaijuofSteel
2 жыл бұрын
Given that sometimes you'll find your occasional Class War server running a Medieval Mode map that flips the meta a bit, I'll do my mini Tier List about that mode: *DOMINANT:* Attacking Demoknight *Easy Win:* Defending Demoknight, Defending Sniper and Attacking Heavy *Pretty successful:* Defending Heavy, Attacking Sniper, Attacking Scout and Defending Spy (yay the Spy is finally good at something) *Minimal chance:* Attacking and Defending Medic, Defending Scout and Attacking Pyro *Sans:* Attacking Spy, Defending Pyro, Attacking and Defending Engineer *Surrender Speedrun:* Only if you get Engineer against a group of skilled Demos, but Medieval rounds aren't worth surrendering most of the times.
@coneburger9081
2 жыл бұрын
"enemies are pretty much always gonna be milked" sounds like the plot of a fanfiction lol
@peika8324
2 жыл бұрын
I want to say, in class war attackers have to much luxury of time. They can push extremely slow and cautiously, while often time defender just get bored, rush forward and die. I sewer most of the time defenders lose was because we overextended ourself and get in a disadvantage position then die, and since defender respawn is much longer than attacker you get the drill.
@rickpgriffin
Жыл бұрын
I played Class Warfare before the Short Circuit (and most of the alternative loadout come to think of it) was introduced for the Engineer and it made attacking as engineer almost impossible against Pyro, Heavy and Demo (and probably Engineer too but I never saw the matchup). They could lock you down at spawn and there wasn't really much you could do about it. I suppose that's all changed!
@retrodoxl
2 жыл бұрын
I remember I was playing DoubleCross once. We had so many engies, when I went into the dispenser cluster to heal, I was healed so damn fast I was given overheal.
@Majima_Nowhere
2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite moments in class wars: my team was engineers attacking on dustbowl first against heavies. We broke out of a spawn camp by spamming short circuits up the stairs and went on to win the game.
@goldtrailer
2 жыл бұрын
Just imagine if there are 12 engineers in a casual server
@bruschetta7711
2 жыл бұрын
That used to be kind of common
@bigdapramirez6157
5 ай бұрын
@2:15 THANK YOU. I am so sick of losing because someone got powerplay and capped the last point then types "ez" in chat because they think it took skill to be invincible with crits for 30 seconds
@tenuunariunjargal7646
3 ай бұрын
Defending engineers when a demo gets powerplay:
@AsexMedic
3 ай бұрын
Then I pull the shot circuit
@TwiliPaladin
2 жыл бұрын
2:23 you've clearly never had a match of heavy vs heavy. RTD was the entire reason the stalemate was ever broken.
@TheWanderer1000000
2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit I had no idea I was playing against Great Blue in Turbine. NICE! (I was The Wanderer(Strange Master) Also Engineer vs Engineer on Turbine is *HELL* It lasted for 20 minutes and nothing got done.
@hadeshades2365
Жыл бұрын
I really like that vid. I ve put it on repeat and have listened it probably about 18 times now. Greetings Kendoka2
@TheTroll10
2 жыл бұрын
the only time i saw spy win on attack was when i was playing class wars and it was only 2v2 and one of the spies distracted us with taunts so the other spy capped
@Intrafacial86
2 жыл бұрын
My go-to Spy strat is to hide in one spot with the CnD and spam voicelines. In all seriousness, I feel like attacking spies, if highly coordinated, could pull off a win if, while most of them went gun spy and distracted the enemy, a few went L’Etranger+YER+CnD, flanked the enemy, and silently chainstabbed their way from behind.
@DTheAustralian
Ай бұрын
The D on Defence Engie's icon stands for "Dell", because this is _his_ game.
@eddythefool
2 жыл бұрын
In my experience whenever i played attacking demo we just steamrolled the opposition. I'm a pretty experienced demo tho so I did lead a bunch of charges. We lost a defense game tho since soldier managed to break through our defenses.
@atn_holdings
Жыл бұрын
1:49 worst violation of the Geneva Convention I've ever seen
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