@@comicbreakdownwow... this was pretty deep. I couldn't even leave a comment because it's flooded already. I knew you were going to blow up! Do you remember that's supposed to be the difference between Mystique and Copycat? That was supposed to be Copycat's abilities, that's why she couldn't be detected by Cable when pretending to be Domino. Great vid as always, everything is getting retconned now so it really doesn't matter
@lucariomew365
9 ай бұрын
This just feels like the Maximoff Twin situation all over again. At this point leave the decades long establish parent-child genealogy alone.
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
I had a feeling this would happen after they retconned Sebastian Shaw being Shinobi's biological father... Anyway, neither of those 3 parental retcons were good.
@mannyrobles3065
8 ай бұрын
The dlfference here is that this was supposed to be Nightcrawlers origin all along. Chris Claremont was setting this up in 80s but Marvel told him no at the end cause they were afraid of the backlash cause back in the days this wouldnt be accepted cause of hatred against the homosexual community. AIDS was in full bloom and the homosexual community was getting the heat for it. But, taking the Azazel thing aside, this was the intended origin of Nightcrawler all along
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
@@mannyrobles3065 It wasn't. Nightcrawler, like plenty of other X-Men characters, has had many scrapped ideas related to his parentage. The first Claremont came up with that was shutdown wasn't this one : It was to have Nightmare, a Doctor Strange villain and Fear Lord (extra-dimensional demonic entity), be his father. This was supposed to explain both his appearance and why his teleportation ability was so weird to begin with (the intermediate dimension he would have been going through this whole time was going to be revealed as the Dream dimension where Nightmare ruled over). The Nightmare parentage was dropped and instead Margali Szardos, Nightcrawler's adoptive mother, was introduced into the story, the same one where it was revealed he was found next to the body of his dying mother. This story element was made before either of Destiny or Mystique were introduced in any X-Men story and was still brought up in the plot 4 years later. Whatever Claremont original intent was, he clearly moved on from it when he hammered in that Nightcrawler did really lose a biological parent of his through the Eye of Agamotto which only showed the truth. Also did Claremont really set this up right ? Because he's had a tendency to retcon himself a lot during that time (even before that when he had Nightcrawler first bring up the human Wagner family) after already putting stuff on paper a few months apart from each other like when he revealed that Mystique was 30 years old in one of his infamous proses (when Nightcrawler was already 21) before abruptly changing it to "Unknown". Claremont also doesn't always have the best ideas and can execute stuff rather poorly like when he revealed that Nightcrawler's girlfriend at the time had been his adoptive sister catfishing him. Then he had them still dating after that and using their weird family relationship as part of their flirts. Then he revealed they've also been dating as far back as Nightcrawler's circus days. Then he revealed they were both the same age and raised from birth by the same mother who both found them abandoned here and there (when Claremont first revealed that Amanda was 4 years older than Kurt). Then he had Nightcrawler state time and time again that Amanda was his heart and love of his life. Then he revealed they had a child together in another timeline. He made that reveal in the 80's and kept shoving it down the fans' throat until 2014, for 30 entire years. Nobody likes this concept except him and he never seemed to realise how bad it actually was. Overall, Nightcrawler's reputation never recovered from Claremont's obvious kink. Because, yes, he liked sprinkling them in whenever to the point of being uncomfortable and genuinely hurting the characters with them.
@Slyest4255
4 ай бұрын
@@mannyrobles3065It's too late for that if that was the original canon origin story then it wouldn't be a big deal but this retcon is unnecessary, brings up plot holes, and insanely convoluted. This is a change literally no one asked for they could've easily just gave Nightcrawler a sibling and gave that origin story to them.
@phoenixesquire6662
9 ай бұрын
This entire story makes absolutely no sense! Destiny could not possibly have been the one that gave birth to Nightcrawler because we have already seen in countless previous comics that Mystique first met Destiny in the early 1900s. It’s literally depicted in the Xtreme X-men comics from the early 2000s. There is no way that Destiny could be nightcrawler’s biological mother because at the time that he was born, (since he’s somewhere between 25/30) she would already have be a senior citizen at the time of his birth. So even the age that Destiny is being depicted as in this comic makes no sense. At the time that Kurt was born Destiny’s child bearing days would have been long behind her. Are we supposed to just ignore everything storyline that came before this? We have seen many issues that depicted Mystique giving birth to nightcrawler not Destiny. In fact, in the storyline where the character of Azazel was first introduced, we were shown that the the reason that Mystique was discovered to be a mutant by the townspeople where Nightcrawler is from, is because when she gave birth to him, the people delivering her baby saw that her baby was blue with fur and they realized she was a mutant too. We have also seen countless issues tying Nightcrawler to Azazel and his demonic father’s heritage. The only way that any of this makes sense is if Mystique’s mind is still damaged and she’s still not remembering things clearly. We already know that Azazel has a psychic connection to all of his children. It’s literally the basis of Azazel’s first storyline. If Azazel wasn’t Nightcrawler’s father then the connection between him and Kurt wouldn’t exist, so Destiny being the mother of Nightcrawler is impossible. The only way that they can resolve this storyline is if Mystique and Destiny were both pregnant at the same time. They could say that Nightcrawler is the child of Mystique and Azazel, and Rogue is the daughter that Mystique and Destiny conceived together using the genetics of many mutants. It still wouldn’t make sense for Destiny to be Rogue’s mother (because she still should have been too old), but if we ignore that fact, Rogues powers being tied to Mystique would totally make sense because where mystiques powers are to mimic peoples physical forms, Rogues powers mimic their physical powers and forms. If Mystique used multiple people DNAs to create Rogue then it would also explain why Rogue’s own DNA is able to mimic so many other people’s powers so easily. If this ends up being true I still think this new retconned origin is totally illogical and way too convoluted. Even if it is somewhat closer to what Chris Claremont originally wanted.
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
They retcon Azazel origin from Demon to Mutant long ago.
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
@@sophiawilson8696 It's pretty weird for them to go down this path for Azazel since he's been on Krakoa for three years now with the other mutants, having come before the three laws were even made. He's been a mutant from the start as shown when he lost his powers with the power nullifier back in 2014 so the writer here is just out of touch with the very lore and characters he's been writing.
@lucariomew365
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, not gonna lie, I really don't like this retcon. Mystique's power set working down to the genetic level isn't even a new revelation-the official explanation is that she psionically manipulates and restructures the formation of her cells (She can even somehow shapeshift into animals, although this ability is rarely used these days and comes with limitations). Heck I'm pretty sure that's what one of the X-Men movies were about. And considering that other mutants with superior shapeshifting abilities (like Morph), I'm shocked the Omega topic was even brought up. I love her, but hard no. It's crucial to maintain distinctions between Alpha, Beta, and Omega mutants. Not everyone should be classified at the highest rank. If you want an Omega-level shapeshifter mutant, they should at least rival a Super Skrull in terms of capability. But I digress. Getting back to the root of the issue, I don't care if Mystique mimicked Azazel's DNA; it's just too much at this point to change Kurt's paternity. Kurt has Neyaphem traits, weaknesses, and the exact brimstone teleportation powerset of all of Azazel's bio-kids. It's too complicated. Just keep him as Azazel's bio-kid without the extra steps. The smartest thing to do would have been to canonize Rogue as the biological daughter of Mystique and Destiny, rather than her being some random girl they both adoptedand raised. Part of me wonders if that's where they might be going, as this new revelation still heavily implies Rogue is involved somehow. Either way, that potential relationship was right there for years, blatantly in their faces🤦🏽.
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
Thanks 😊 you I thinking the same thing Azazel is a Mutant they retcon his story from Demon. Which better.
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
What doesn't help the situation is that Si Spurrier, who wrote this, had a scene in Legion of X where we could see the women Kurt would wanna give a shot at while he was in the astral plane (where thoughts become physical) and if you look closely enough, one of them has an unmistakable resemblance to Rogue.
@BLASTERBRO100
8 ай бұрын
Agreed this was just another example of writers being non-concurrent with older comics and just using the characters to do the story they want
@GoroKazuma-xc9sk
9 ай бұрын
I can‘t believe i ever thought i would utter these words, but Draco is a better origin story than this
@Fyrijou
9 ай бұрын
That’s a Retcon done too late. Yes, i know this was Claremont’s original idea (not the original idea of Nightcrawler‘s creator thou who wanted Blackheart to be Kurt‘s dad) but it doesn’t change the fact it made things unnecessarily complicated now. A dumb contrived „DNA mix up“ explanation which is just stupid because they could’ve just created 2 children if they needed one to stop Azazel‘s prophecy, the weird fact that Mystique got aggressive to Destiny which she never did (especially in the time the birth takes places) and they boiled down Mystique‘s resentment towards Kurt that was tackled trough 3 decades into „Xavier did an oopsie“. Draco did *a lot* wrong, but the story of how Azazel used Mystique, conceived Kurt and ultimately abandoned him was written far better than this mess
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
What doesn't help is that the Azazel prophecy shown here is both wrong and plothole. Azazel has been stuck in the Brimstone Dimension for millennia, maybe for as long as the Arakki were stuck on Amenth : The only way he managed to partially get out was thanks to Margali Szardos, meaning if you stopped Margali from doing that in the first place, there wouldn't be any kind of issue at all in present day. Surprisingly, this retcon dropped the fact Destiny contacted Margali to take Kurt on our laps (instead of Azazel being the one to guide Margali to the baby like it was shown before) and moved on like it was nothing. But what hammers in on how wrong Destiny was in her prophecy is that Nightcrawler is and has always been the central component Azazel needed to fully escape and do any kind of take over. Azazel needed a biological child of his, an anchor, to have his teleportation ability and his own strange ties to the Dimension he has been locked in. If you remove Nightcrawler, Azazel would still be locked up in his Dimension. Not only that but the other attack Azazel has ever led (he faced Kurt a total of three-ish times), the one against Heaven in 2014, was only possible because Nightcrawler was his anchor up there. He needed Kurt to get to Heaven, so without him there wouldn't be any take over all. The best way to stop the "Azazel prophecy" is for Nightcrawler NOT to exist or die before Azazel had everything else ready. Nightcrawler existing is very much what could trigger that prophecy, even tho... Azazel isn't that strong as a mutant and if he was such a threat at all, they wouldn't have allowed him on the island with everyone else for the three years Krakoa stood.
@sailorx23
9 ай бұрын
Wait. Azazel is Nightcrawlers biological dad. Same powers, Neyaphem demon blood opposite of Angels blood. The Draco arc went deep into how Azazel needs his offspring to open a portal to earth from the brimstone dimension.
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
She used some dna from him to create nightcrawler
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
I think retcon Azazel origin to be a Demon to Mutant long ago. Azazel is a Mutant people.
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
@@comicbreakdown "Some DNA from him?" Nightcrawler has all of his powerset minus the shapeshifting, is able to be mind-controlled by him like his other biological children and they are both have an affinity for soul magic. And the Nightcrawler chimera from PoX is literally just Azazel with red eyes and hair. Not even Azazel's other biological children have as much in common with him with the right ratio of his DNA and Nightcrawler has it all from a fraction of that ? What's the point of even giving Kurt the very weakness Azazel uses against his own children if only a minimal amount of him was taken ?
@daniescott3000
9 ай бұрын
They turned Nightcrawler into Eric Cartman didn't they?? IYKYK
@kedwin79
9 ай бұрын
Not too crazy with how they rearranged his origin story. He physically looks like Azazel. And shares the same power set as Azazel and Abyss. It just makes sense especially since you look at other mutant families and find that usually physical traits and/or power sets are shared.
@geminihero
9 ай бұрын
I agree it’s kind of I don’t know weird. And I don’t mean that in a intolerant or disrespectful way it’s like why make his origin story so complicated? It’s like walking around the house five times before you can enter the door. Also there’s another question that comes up I thought Irene was also pregnant. Are they implying that rogue may actually be biologically raven and Irene’s child?!?…… seriously I want to be in the room when They explain that to her. I can just see Remy slap his hands on his lap and get up and say I need to get a drink!…lol… and rogue would be like “ I’ll join you!” Another thing I don’t like is how marvel keep using Xavier as this get out of jail free card when it comes to redoing everything. Anyway I don’t hate the story and I do like the change where instead of mystique just throwing the baby off of waterfall she actually put him down your tree and was always determined to come back and get him. Which now I think about it really brings up a lot of questions because this whole time Xavier knew and did nothing to even attempt to solve the problem. Yeah I get it mystique wanted her memories erased, but still!! I’ve always hated that in writing to have things go the way it is and even if they didn’t want people to know you could at least did some metaphorical charades with that person that way you are not going behind their back.
@ensabahnur7657
9 ай бұрын
@@geminihero Yea the stuff they SHOULD Retcon they NEVER do but all the fan favorite stuff especially Origins all of a sudden they're changing all kinds of stuff to fit their agendas!😣
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
@@geminihero Azazel love Mystique I don't why they change it
@cernstormrunner7263
9 ай бұрын
someone speculated that when she slept with Azazel she basically copied his genes, and used that to "father" Nightcrawler
@KneeGrowDoingKneeGrowThings
9 ай бұрын
@@cernstormrunner7263it makes sense that her power set allows self replication
@vincentfranklin17
9 ай бұрын
I always thought that Raven didn't care for anyone, except Rogue and Destiny. I liked when she and Kurt hugged.
@ensabahnur7657
9 ай бұрын
This is some more Marvel BULLSHIT naturally Xavier's involved he's ALWAYS hiding things from everybody & you'd think most fans would be beyond tired of this!😣
@Skevatheo
9 ай бұрын
This was too convoluted! And a few things don't make sense! 1) How could Irene give birth to Kurt? At the time she was already too old (also all of this retcons all the scenes of pregnant Raven giving birth) 2) How does Kurt look demonic? If he was just a normal mutant he would look like a normal child until his adolescence when the X gene would kick in and his powers would develop. 3) If Kurt is not Azazel's son why was he able to trap him to earth via their blood connection and why was Azazel able to control him? 4) Raven has always been a selfish woman. Why are they trying to make her a good mommy? 5) What does Destiny even have to do with anything? In general, I hate this origin because to me it's just woke nonsense. Edit: Also, Raven couldn't have transformed to a man completely. Only in resent years have her powers grown to be strong enough to not be detected by Wolverine's sense of smell, or DNA scanners. She used to be much weaker. So how could she impregnate Destiny?
@Dele83
9 ай бұрын
Yea this was stupid
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
Azazel is a Mutant not a Demon. There different set of Mutants in world comics Lupines, Nepyham, Chefin, Shapeshift etc.
@Skevatheo
9 ай бұрын
@@sophiawilson8696 he's a biblical demonic mutant. His species, the Neyaphym are born demonic. Edit: Azazel also has a strong blood connection to his children. He could control them from a distance and he wanted to use them to open a portal to get back on earth. That's why most of them (including Kurt) have an ability that connects the brimstone dimension and Earth (e.g. Abyss creates portals and Nightcrawler teleports between the dimensions).
@Justme-vz4px
8 ай бұрын
I belive it's like Mystique male-genes/shapeshift-genes - original mutant skin collour that is probably saved in her cells somewhere as a default setting, plus Destiny (naturally female) - more humanoid Kurt's look, mixed with a magic and physical influence of the Azazel - hence daemon/daimon-like look. Let's also consider that Azazel stuff are religion mixed with huuuge fiction because daemon or demon simplified is a person who gives and takes other powers for example, and Mystique sometimes in older comics and animated movies used to transform her arm as largery bigger monster-arms and getting super strenght through it and sometimes even mutants powers (wolverine claws in animated X-men, but I wonder if it's a look mixed with her knowladge of claws or did she mimic adamantium itself)
@nkosig4995
9 ай бұрын
i dont like this like just have raven redeem herself rather than retconning it so she never did anything wrong
@ampocalypsew3883
9 ай бұрын
My only complaint is that Rouge backstory was simply shoved in as some abandon child, even though her father protected her from a mob who was bent on killing her. Which if im not mistaken he was killed
@jawofajackass4047
9 ай бұрын
I'm thinking that Destiny might be Rogue's real mother
@ampocalypsew3883
9 ай бұрын
@@jawofajackass4047 maybe though it's kinda weird for her to say a girl was abandon instead of saying that's our daughter
@jawofajackass4047
9 ай бұрын
@ampocalypsew3883 Destiny has withheld a lot of stuff even before this issue, due to some grand vision. So I can see her holding back this from mystique for the same reasons
@ampocalypsew3883
9 ай бұрын
@@jawofajackass4047 true, though I do like Rogue's old origin, her father was goid to her to the point he defended her from an angry mob
@jawofajackass4047
9 ай бұрын
@ampocalypsew3883 actually in her original origin story her father was good to her until he found out she was a mutant then he disowned her and that's when she becomes part of the brotherhood
@me0on0utube
9 ай бұрын
Wait. So this is an Eric Cartman situation? If Mystique is the dad and Destiny is the mom, how did Nightcrawler get traits from Azazel?
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
She used traces of dna from many people she met in life. Azazel is one of them
@me0on0utube
9 ай бұрын
@@comicbreakdown oh
@jamarioadams2115
9 ай бұрын
@@comicbreakdown raven is somewhat nonbinary now nice . I think they should give her a black nose ring just to upgrade her look .
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
Just the story only Destiny had children with men too.
@deadpooldan9862
9 ай бұрын
How do mutant children have regular, human parents? It’s all random, don’t think too much about it. It’s a comic book, things get retconned all the time
@CinemaKingTheaters
9 ай бұрын
I guess they canonized Chris Claremonts original goal of Nightcrawler being Irene and Mystique's son
@JohnnyTronny19841
9 ай бұрын
thank you, was gonna post that but you did the good thing! It was just his birthday on Nov 25th!!! I wonder if this issue was planned around that?
@lexcaesarmanikanjr8423
9 ай бұрын
I thought it was Azazel
@kehindeomolaoye8020
9 ай бұрын
@@lexcaesarmanikanjr8423yeah this video just retconned it
@treyjohnson3230
9 ай бұрын
@@kehindeomolaoye8020did it because I always remember it being him. Like they always hinted it was him.
@ensabahnur7657
9 ай бұрын
@@kehindeomolaoye8020 Can't stand retcons!😣
@Dont-Ask-Me-My-Name
9 ай бұрын
Didn't need a new origin for Nightcrawler &the story was better than I thought it was going to be. But all they really did was remove Azazel from the equation &that to me was the most interesting part of Nightcrawler's origin. This staunch Catholic being born from the devil (or a devil) it was tragic &it made Nightcrawler even more impressive 2me. This story just reaffirmed what I already knew Destiny is a big old B-word &Raven abandoned her new born baby; those are just the facts
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
Azazel is a Mutant they retcon him from Demon to a Mutant.
@LandofMert76
9 ай бұрын
Most likely just my general dislike of Mystique, but I hate this so much
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
Trust me, if you know anything about Mystique from before the Krakoa era and from all the alternatives versions of her like in the What-if where she raised Nightcrawler and the Age of Apocalypse one, you'll hate this too and hate her more in general.
@kenroywright4607
8 ай бұрын
If mystique cannot have a child out of love so when she got pregnant for sabertooth and Charlie what was that and if they have lover when they're not together mystique love the stick more than lips 😂
@mrblaque
8 ай бұрын
This... is a terrible story. Destiny has been a senior citizen for so long, by the time Nightcrawler was conceived, the only eggs her ovaries could have produced are powdered eggs. In the next issue of X-Men Blue - Origins, Destiny is revealed to be an omega level mutant because we discover she can switch bodies with her younger self and that's how she carried Kurt to term.
@phoenixesquire6662
8 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 Exactly!
@dirtandsilkk
8 ай бұрын
In what way? Kurt was in his 20s when he joined the x-men. Ans, as we all know, marvel did a terrible job when representing middle age in comics. Aunt may was in her 40s-50s in her first appearance. It was into ultimate comics that things were done differently
@mrblaque
8 ай бұрын
@@dirtandsilkk It was a joke. If they did do it, the story would be just as bad as this one. As for Destiny's age, she isn't middle-aged, she's OLD. She worked with Sherlock Holmes, knew Xavier's father, and she and Mystique knew each other in the EARLY 20th century. Even with the sliding timeline in comics, Destiny should be too old to be giving birth to anything or at the very least, have egg producing ovaries.
@docessex943
9 ай бұрын
They are ruining X-men so much
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
I’d disagree but it’s not for everyone!
@RidiculousThoughts
9 ай бұрын
This is the "turnover" point, where the old fanbase basically sunsets, and Marvel brings in the new fanbase it wanted to lead them into the next sixty (hopefully) years. It has been a pretty great ride and I will never forget the X-Men as a major part of my life.
@luke1397
4 ай бұрын
@@RidiculousThoughtsWith X-men ‘97 currently the most popular product right now, I think you might be mistaken there bub.
@luke1397
4 ай бұрын
Yeah the writers these days suck.
@wakamoon1910
9 ай бұрын
mystique mentions that she's changed her gametes to copy traits from the people she's met so sounds like kurt would also technically count as christian and azazel's kid.
@rjhemedes
9 ай бұрын
Back in the 80s and early 90s, there was a comic book title called Elementals published by an independent publisher and written by Bill Willingham who now writes Fables. One of their main enemies was a female shapeshifter who could also change genders and impregnated one of the female members of the Elementals as an act of revenge. Elementals was one of the best comic book super teams of its time - it was even raunchier than The Boys which I seriously think borrowed certain ideas from Elementals.
@RidiculousThoughts
9 ай бұрын
Wait...wasn't Destiny born in the 1800s? How on Earth could this story have happened? She would have to have been 100+ years old at the time Kurt was born.
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
She long live mutant!
@RidiculousThoughts
9 ай бұрын
@@sophiawilson8696 She is only a precog. She doesn't have a healing factor, nor does she age slowly like Mystique.
@LunaticReason
9 ай бұрын
Irene was born around the 1900's. In her 30's worked with Prof X's and Juggernauts dad, and Nathan Milbury aka Mr. Sinister on Project: Black Womb which studied the mutation within infants via Amanda Mueller who was married to Cyclops great great grandfather. In her 50's is when she gives birth to Nightcrawler. While Xavier in his 20-30s is just starting up the X-men. Another 20 she is 70-80 when she meets Kurt.
@RidiculousThoughts
9 ай бұрын
@@LunaticReason We see flashbacks of her in the 1800s with Nathaniel Essex in Immortal X-Men, how was she born in the 1900s? We have also seen depictions of Destiny and Mystique alive during the Victorian Era (1800s). I know Marvel has played fast and loose with sliding time scales in the past, but this is a stretch IMO.
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
Destiny would be 100 years old by the time the 60 rolled and Nightcrawler was revealed to be 21 in 1980. The Sherlock Holmed adventures were in the 1880 and Destiny met Mystisue long before that at 20 years old. Destiny doesn't slowly age like seen in the Sins of Sinister Timeline and any of her other comic appearances.
@darryckforest5945
9 ай бұрын
7:00 the problem with THIS version of mystics powers is that WOLVERINE CAN SMELL HER ALWAYS!!!!!! They are crapping on an important fact here. I get what they are trying to do which is expand the original idea of Mystic's powers and how far they go. But because it's already established that Wolverine can always smell her out this doesn't work
@OneofmanyASMR
3 ай бұрын
I think If I'm correct, they pulled an iceman situation with her where eventually, with a new mastery of her powers, she was able to mask it now. (She never had to before, so that why she codint do it and it took time to learn the trick). Mystique is still the same classification tho don't worry she not suddenly an omega she just got better at using her powers.
@Markus2E5I6
4 ай бұрын
Marvel really likes retconning parentage. Wanda, Pietro, Thor, Tony and now Nightcrawler.
@MrSalazar395
9 ай бұрын
This is the most unnecessary origin remake ever.
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
I agree Density and Mystique are women and long live mutants. They took break from each other and went after men and then come together and go second around and third etc Lesbians and Homosexuals have doing this hundreds years. Mystique change to a man to impregnate Density would have interesting but couldn't do it. Azazel origin I like it make sense it tie to Bible legend Azazel is a Mutant.
@sovereign-of-scars4372
9 ай бұрын
Firstly, I thought Mystique's power always worked that way but whatever. Secondly, omega-level has become diluted. It doesn't make sense that she would be one and I honestly think she's better not being omega-level. It would be like Batman gaining superpowers, he'd be boring. Finally, how old is Destiny? She was around in late 1800s and I'm pretty sure she wasn't cloned until recently or gained immortality so how does she look young in a setting with morderm vehicles in the background
@nobodyexceptme7794
9 ай бұрын
Bruh i remember in the 90s before Azazael when Nightcrawler was just Mystiques kid. Didnt she birth a sabretooth kid as well? Then kill him from the future because he killed Destinys grandson? 😂😂😂😂 Comics! Im so confused. And to think ppl take the movies so seriously.
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
I this version as well. Azazel is a Mutant by the way.
@nothx512
9 ай бұрын
Pretty sure someone is going to introduce a character to erase the Ret-Con verse.....remember with these characters nothing is set in stone....maybe down the line Mystique made a pac with Mephisto( Nightcrawler true spawn) to create Nightcrawler for humanity
@jonnystorm3127
4 ай бұрын
Only problem I see with this is explaining why Kurt didnt inherit any of Destiney or Mystiques powers, but got all of Azazel's abilities down to the tail and teleportation.
@Cmon2828
9 ай бұрын
Mystique is the embodiment of every man and woman who said “You knew what it was”
@thehulagang3968
9 ай бұрын
Who wrote this story???? It must have been a combination between the "Me too movement & the lifetime channel lol 🤣😂😅 Lesbians having kids, beating up men, killing men, geeze Most characters in comic world break up by now like " Black Panther & Storm" the gay character's stay together throw-out time. Cool story tho
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
LoL!
@docdirtymrclean3610
9 ай бұрын
So does that make Copycat an omega level gene shifter? She has the same power set as Mystique but she can mimick powers as well.
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
She have the same but Mystique can't copy Powers of other mutants. Copycat and Minic and Morphe can, The person Powers.
@Idol-Kita-Eh
9 ай бұрын
I wonder why is beast blue. Maybe he’s related to mystique and nightcrawler too
@peterdanior4538
8 ай бұрын
I remember that joke from the animated series
@christopherbennett5858
4 ай бұрын
Basically, he experimented with and created mutant growth hormone which inadvertently added the bestial side.
@jbabylucus1641
9 ай бұрын
So they really kicking Azael out of the equation. That sucks I really hoped for Kurt and Azael to have some stories together. Father and son pirate captains
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
His dna is still used in some capacities
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
Azazel they show some of Azazel's people and Angel's mutants more often.
@silentmonk7338
9 ай бұрын
I still do not get it. Mystique and Irene were pregnant around the same time. Is Azazel or Mystique the father of Nightcrawler? Did Irene give birth to Rogue or Nightcrawler?
@ZeeB...
9 ай бұрын
How come he doesn't have power's simialr to theirs?
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
Because the writer doesn't put any thought into what he does on an average run so why would he do that for a one-shot ?
@hellblaze10
9 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie i always thought mystics powers worked like that.
@AManChoosesASlaveObeys
9 ай бұрын
Same.
@tenryuubito1
9 ай бұрын
I'm completely confused are they saying Azazel is not the father that Nightcrawler is the baby between mystique and destiny and people forget about copycat Deadpool old girlfriend who had the ability to transform into other mutants and copy their powers and that other one storm killed are they trying to make Mystique like them and why does he have that red guy teleporting powers if that's not his daddy and look like him that's one hell of a coincidence
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
That is what they are saying
@tenryuubito1
9 ай бұрын
@@comicbreakdown this really makes Nightcrawler story in old comic book issues and his connection to Azazel really convoluted unless they say Azazel magic affected her pregnancy with Destiny and made Nightcrawler look like him
@tenryuubito1
9 ай бұрын
I feel like they should have made the baby between destiny and Mystique Rogue that way Nightcrawler and Rogue will have been real have siblings other than just adopted siblings and left his connection to Azazel alone and it would have made mystique and Destiny connection to Rogue even stronger
@vginsprdsobepr9698
8 ай бұрын
Interestingly enough, Mystique used the tactics of the Succubus and Incubus to impregnate Destiny. A demon will take in the form of a Succubus to collect the semen of a sleeping man then use it to impregnate a sleeping woman while taking on the form of an Incubus. So basically Destiny is Nightcrawler’s mother while Mystique, Azazel, and Wagner are all Kurt’s fathers.
@nkosig4995
9 ай бұрын
i forgot about destinys grandkid being a thing
@drewyetti
8 ай бұрын
So Nightcrawler is really Destiny's Child. Well it did state that mystique can change her sex through shapeshifting but this whole retcon has messed the already established history of nightcrawler. If it was for a new character, then that would be a different story.
@AmRealityInc
9 ай бұрын
Dang...I remember once upon a time Sabertooth was once rumored to be Nightcrawler's dad...turns out his dad was his mom a la Eric Cartman lol
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
Sabretooth is the father of Creed which came an out human.
@AmRealityInc
9 ай бұрын
@@sophiawilson8696 I know but back in the day there was speculation of who his father was and one rumor was Sabertooth. That was even before it was revealed that it was probably Azazel.
@mirugdhed8581
9 ай бұрын
Is there a competition who write worst X-Men bulsh!t? This wins it
@yoyoyiggityyo17
9 ай бұрын
Nothing after 2010 is canon
@thievesnbeggars1916
9 ай бұрын
That’s not how this works lol
@jasondavis2995
9 ай бұрын
Then stop following along 😂
@yoyoyiggityyo17
9 ай бұрын
@@jasondavis2995I don't dipshit
@yoyoyiggityyo17
9 ай бұрын
@@thievesnbeggars1916when a company goes to absolutely shit yes it is
@jasondavis2995
9 ай бұрын
@@yoyoyiggityyo17 good for you
@ljanki7658
7 ай бұрын
I hope one day we get another x-men movie and they have a lot of nightcrawler and mystique moments.
@mickeywonders3764
7 ай бұрын
Would've been better if mystique just had nightcrawler with azazel to fulfil the phrophecy then using other peoples genetic makeup to conceieve a child with destiny in which being rogue so when both had a belly bump they'd each be carrying the siblings to not make it all so complicated
@redmaxxs
9 ай бұрын
Nice story but if they're trying to redeem Destiny in my eyes and still don't like her.
@xCoatlicuex
Ай бұрын
Honestly sacrificing Kurt to get a future soldier just makes her Even worse to me,and then she just ereased her memory so she dosen't have to bother on thinking about him until he is an adult and can just claim him.
@ibrahimrobinson8508
9 ай бұрын
@Comic Breakdown Just a little stocking stuffer. Merry Christmas!
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
Thank you!!!
@rodniegsm1575
9 ай бұрын
No.. she's not on the level of tarn the uncaring. Tarn manipulation is the genes of other people. Mistyc can do that with ger own genes. That should give her powers of other mutants.
@roozbehbey
9 ай бұрын
This version of legion creeps me out especially how he looks at the ending lol
@user-ht6ii1yj2i
9 ай бұрын
More definitive proof of how demonic and wicked mutants are! They are all villains to me! Go Orchis!
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
Demonic 😂😂😂
@user-ht6ii1yj2i
9 ай бұрын
@@comicbreakdown I know! That word is so Appropriate to describe Mutants! LoL 😂
@DeezNutz-h²O
9 ай бұрын
Mystique is pretty much a buss down copycat(for those who don't know her, look her up) with her upgrade. But copycat is still BETTER than her.
@bryanvaldez8600
9 ай бұрын
So azazel isn't the father of nightcrawler, more like "Godfather." He looks demonic like him and power, too, also have weakness of "Cheyarafim Blood" angelic mutant subspecies when angle try heal nightcrawler with his blood but instead healing his wounded it burn him.
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
They aren't Demons they are Mutants. Azazel is a Mutant.
@nightparadedragon2107
9 ай бұрын
One of your best narrated videos ever.
@luisa.acevedo3326
9 ай бұрын
Man, you made me ask myself a very random thought, when was the last time Apocalypse used his shapeshifting to disguise himself. He rarely does it.
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
Rarely ever anymore
@VoxMachina8
9 ай бұрын
Yea he's an Omega level atom manipulator. He can manipulate all of his own atoms, and the atoms of other mutants under his control.
@georgesandoval307
9 ай бұрын
Loving the new addition to the videos by leaving the text in the bubbles!! 🔥🔥🙏🏾🙏🏾
@Carepackage2966
3 ай бұрын
If they retcon the original story, why don't they redesign Nightcrawler completely? The dude is a literally a blue Azazel and Azazel pass the father paternity test just on looks alone. So confusing what they done, what a mess. I heard about this but I couldn't believe it until I saw it.
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
True Orgins??? Ok I heard that Mystique was going to turn into a man to impregnate Density.
@agentwolf5305
3 ай бұрын
I hate this retcon sooooo much! It just wipes out so many stories of Nightcrawler’s! BECAUSE they center on him being the son of Azazel. I love Nightcrawler so much, he’s one of my favorites and I personally refuse to believe this new story line. I would be ok if it was a super alternate universe where this happens, as it was a personal head canon of mine for fun to think that it probably did happen in at least one universe but like… just stop… we love these characters for a many reasons so stop changing them! I love how many other people hate it too.
@kcivts
9 ай бұрын
If she can use any power, she is alpha level
@LunaticReason
9 ай бұрын
Potentially somewhere out there is another baby and women that Mystique raped because I am certain the mother would have consented knowing who she really was. That if she wished could deny any offspring she creates and blame it on the males she is copying. Scary eh.
@RevSinkiller
8 ай бұрын
Time to #metoo Mystique.
@tracyalan7201
9 ай бұрын
I picked it up, skimmed the issue and now listened to the review. It's unusual but Raven is the mother. Shouldn't it be that Raven is the father and Destiny is the actual birth mother, if Raven was only simulating the pregnancy to keep Destiny company on her pregnancy of Kurt? Since Raven went out as the Baron's wife who was pregnant, that when the baby was born and doctor/staff saw the infant blue, they took it for Raven's infant and not Destiny's. Wouldn't that open the door to Kurt having abilities of Destiny that haven't displayed itself? It leaves some question as Destiny invited Azazel, so that a romance between Raven and Azazel could occur but once their romance had occurred, was his genetic code incorporated with Raven's genetic code and part of the process for Destiny's pregnancy, passing on traits of Azazel, Raven and Destiny in Raven/Destiny progeny? Destiny obviously saw Kurt's potential future needing all three mutants' genetic and experiences plus his adoptive mother's training/experience to mold Kurt into his future. We'll have to wait to see what uncovered talents bubble up from Kurt's heritage.
@buhe1
9 ай бұрын
So does this mean that Kurt has three parents since Raven probably had Azazel's DNA in "storage" at the time when she got Destiny pregnant? Because she was shape-shifting from her baseline form genetically when she did it. It would explain why Kurt was like Azazel. It sounds like she may be similar to a skrull, the normal kind, while I hope they don't mess with the x-gene thing because sometimes making someone too powerful would go against the character's character. Like imagine Mystique mimicking Exodus' powers and how it would ruin Mystique as a character, the phantom lady. Doing what a skrull could do like turn into a cheetah and run just as fast, a bird and fly and a fish and swim and breath underwater, even a gorilla and the brute strength would perhaps be an acceptable upgrade. I think in the 90's she used her mutant power to have wings which is also something a skrull can do.
@QuickWitit07
9 ай бұрын
I don't know how I feel, but I don't think I like it. It just disrupts mystiques whole back story and character arch. She has always been selfish, about her agenda. Thats one reason I didn't care for the Jennifer Lawerence version of Mystique in the movies. 🤨🤕
@EnemeeXerro
9 ай бұрын
So, Mystique is going to be the first OmegaSexual character. 😂😂😂
@xspence2404
9 ай бұрын
Wow. That's both heart breaking and lovely.
@ibrahimrobinson8508
9 ай бұрын
@Comic Breakdown Playing catch-up with the series which I will admit is a bit odd considering that this is one of the few series that I am reading right now. Nevertheless, keep up the good work!
@XMorpheus3000
9 ай бұрын
But I thought that Mystique's mind couldn't be read or manipulated because of her powers?
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
Yup. This is how far we're taking this retcon.
@LUXONE83
9 ай бұрын
Sorry the worst origin story rework :D
@peterdanior4538
8 ай бұрын
No that was the Azazel retcon
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
@@peterdanior4538 The Azazel retcon looks better than this cuz it didn't fundamentally break every single character involved and annihilate 30 years of established canon stories and even What if where Mystique raised Nightcrawler from birth as his biological mother.
@peterdanior4538
8 ай бұрын
@@spinningtornado4543 the Azazel retcon was incredibly boring a pointless. “After 30 years the true father of Nightcrawler is revealed to be …. red nightcrawler. It changed nothing, it added nothing except for a name & face on the family tree. If you are going to retcon someone’s parents it should be huge. When Magneto was retconned to be the dad of the Maximoff twins, it changed everything. Their whole dynamic shifted. There’s a reason why Draco was rushed to a conclusion and barely mentioned afterwards.
@xCoatlicuex
Ай бұрын
@@peterdanior4538This crap makes the Azazael retcon look like art.
@kingshadow8782
9 ай бұрын
Nice!
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@darksider2903
4 ай бұрын
In the comics and shows, Some humans were and still are right. Humanity should exterminate mutants. Mutants are just like humans, they can be wicked af, just with terrifying powers. 😅
@Lboi81
7 ай бұрын
WOW! I think I almost shed a tear - really!
@10-OSwords
9 ай бұрын
My only question is the motivation of needing to stop Azazel from something...I don't know how powerful that guy is. But I guess the whole this is what nightcrawler needed to become himself is enough. But amazing story. I can't even imagine the creativity to come up with this story & SOO beautiful. Love it.
@hellblaze10
9 ай бұрын
Ya i never thought he was a big deal eather
@warrenferguson5174
9 ай бұрын
PS, Please in the next and maybe even the exciting thrill ride conclusion of Uncanny Spider Man, Mystique must team up with Silver Sable to save Nightcrawler from Orchid Sinister Crew and Mecha Vulture and bring the most , brutal beat down on those scumbags on what they have done to innocent lives(humans& mutants alike! Also PS, Please bring back the return of Cypher, Manifold, Dazzler,Sersi(The Lovely Eternal), Cloak & Dagger,Black Cat,MJ Jackpot, Cable and Bishop to help Night Crawler , Mystique, and Silver Sable to punish stop Anti Righteous (Sinister's ex wife), Vulture, Orchis, Nimrod, Fem Omega, Mecha Moira McTaggart, and Dark Dominion Sinister s! It will be the best crossover showdown team up thrill ride for our fans to enjoy! Take Care and Be Inspired, Marvel Hero Crew! Have A Great Day! WF-😎🤩😉😂💗🎉🎊✌️
@AdderMoray
9 ай бұрын
Azazel is ostensibly a huge threat simply by dint of the circles he operates in. His plans fuck with the divine. Heaven and hell type shit so him actually succeeding, even if he himself isn't all that powerful beyond his immortality, would lead to massive problems. Think Vandal Savage but not as interesting or fleshed out.
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
Azazel isn't that big of a deal at all. He's nowhere on Doom's levels and he pretty much needed Nightcrawler to be completely set free of his dimension. He even needed Nightcrawler to get to Heaven. And honestly if he was that big of a threat, why would Mystique hire him back in Weapon X and why would he be allowed to remain completely free on Krakoa ?
@ginofrancejr555
9 ай бұрын
Awesome one shot excellent recon
@jasondavis2995
9 ай бұрын
I'm glad they got to retcon his origin to how they wanted it to be. This comic is🔥🔥
@yoyoyiggityyo17
9 ай бұрын
😂
@steffidas4785
4 ай бұрын
Such a chill dude with a killer power✌️good brother to rogue ✌️😎
@fuse825
8 ай бұрын
This one was sad I read it but wanted to hear it from ya too ..
@jorgepacheco9845
9 ай бұрын
How can she not know who he is? lol. Isn't the tail a give away lol
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
You’d think lol
@spinningtornado4543
8 ай бұрын
She would have remembered Azazel back then too so Yet another plothole to add onto the pile.
@hectorvergara3394
18 күн бұрын
Am I the only one that hates this retcon?? He already had a good origin story and him being the son of Azazel was good in contrast to him wanting to always do good by people This is like what they did with Gwen Stacy hooking up with Norman Osborn… they should allow some people to release some stories bro lmao who approved this to be released?! 😂🤣
@infinitecontent8001
9 ай бұрын
If she trained with Apocalypse, could she rival his power?
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
Good question
@tomgerald4011
9 ай бұрын
No but she would be close, she can not duplicate powers like Apoc can
@sophiawilson8696
9 ай бұрын
This kind of reminds of Spitfire it looks she had mutate genes that copy or minic or something else Vampire traits and it generate fire or she be a mutant that gene lay dormant until she bite by Vampire they had made serum to save her life.
@vginsprdsobepr9698
9 ай бұрын
Originally it was planned for Mystique to have been Nightcrawler’s father by taking on the form of a man and impregnating her wife Destiny who was going to be the biological mother. That story was scrapped because comics at the time didn’t fully accept gay and lesbian relationships. Im glad they revamped Nightcrawler’s origin story but I still wish Destiny was the one who was pregnant. Mystique is probably the most well known shape shifter in Marvel comics but having powers to also manipulate her X-Gene like Copycat can and mimic the powers of others would be a cool addition. Mimicry Mutants like Rouge, Mimic, and Copycat (among others) should all be categorized as Omega Level mutants just like Hope and Sync.
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
Destiny was the one who was pregnant
@vginsprdsobepr9698
9 ай бұрын
So I’m a little mixed up. Is Destiny officially Nightcrawler’s biological mother in this story? Mystique’s baby bump threw me off.
@RevSinkiller
8 ай бұрын
Give up on the X-Men Buy and support the Fantastic Four.
@comicbreakdown
8 ай бұрын
I’ll do both personally
@jparker71
9 ай бұрын
Mystique is such a 'minor' character that has such a rich and layered past (through retcons, etc), that maybe she should be raised up into mutant royalty; We should learn that she is a daughter of Apocalypse! Blue skin, longevity, shapechanging...
@ComicBooksandVideoGameNerd96
8 ай бұрын
I'm going to make a rant video about this
@chrisstewart8954
8 ай бұрын
So rouge has a brother night crawler ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
@wolfchief7952
9 ай бұрын
It was better than I thought.
@keijimaede3521
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the vid man!!
@Onliroe
9 ай бұрын
There is a new level of excitement I got watching the video and being able to read along... IDK if this was a mistake because you're usually really good at erasing but... THANKS!
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
Trying some new things out. Seeing if it’ll get flagged or not. So far so good.
@gamelover2222
9 ай бұрын
It was nice to see the words left in. I don't know if you did that on accident or what, but I like to read along if it doesn't get you in trouble. Great issue!
@comicbreakdown
9 ай бұрын
After talking with comics explained I’m trying a few things differently
@bryanabbott6169
9 ай бұрын
It's not a surprise to me, she's duplicated the form of Angel, back in the days of the '90s X-Men Blue and Gold teams, taunting Archangel. She's grown functional human-sized bat-like wings when she was with X-Factor when Forge was their leader (which happened just before Age of Apocalypse Alpha). Anyways, in comics, especially these days, there's always going to be retcons. Even after a character's no longer in an ongoing series, their origin/history is bound to change. Next they might end up saying Wanda and Pietro Maximoff are actually the mutant (again) siblings of Nightcrawler that Raven had while away from Irene, and ended up accidentally got separated from them, only for the twins to be found by Magneto....
@thenomothete
9 ай бұрын
I think any mutant could technically be an omega level mutant if they fully focused on whatever their power is...here's a theory...the mutant gene itself is matter manipulation on some scale outside the the normal realms of physics...whatever a mutant can do manipulates matter in some way...so if they harnessed their abilities to the strongest point all of their powers would be able to inevitably manipulate matter...so they would all have the same power if they had %100 of their ability. It just comes out in different ways because of the experiences they have had that differ from others and is seen as different powers because its easier for them to control their matter manipulation as the different power sets that they have but it all stems from reality warping and manipulating matter....thoughts?
@ensabahnur7657
9 ай бұрын
Interesting!
@LunaticReason
9 ай бұрын
An Omega takes their mutations beyond percieved limitations. The more creative they are allowed to handle them.
@idongesitusen5764
5 ай бұрын
Alright! Now let’s fix the Magnus/Pietro/Wanda situation.
@blackpotatomaster
9 ай бұрын
No this isn't just a nvm lol crazy
@GPBOY79
9 ай бұрын
maybe with a boost from Apocalypse she could achieve omega level and the possibility of Hope copying that who knows as always it's up to the writer and editor how it all goes
@chrisstewart8954
8 ай бұрын
So good
@samsam2235
8 ай бұрын
I wanna miss.
@VoxMachina8
9 ай бұрын
I would purchase this book.
@julianbryantjb
9 ай бұрын
Smh, so much humanity in mutants, that they are only above normal humans in their looks and abilities, besides that they are so vulnerable, flawed, and full of regret in desperate times.Kurt is an amazing hero! Mystique, where can I begin. First. She is long overdue for a new look! Get rid of the skulls! Second. These last few years have really smh been a mess with the X-Men's krokoan age! She would have benefited alot from apocalypse's access to celestial technology like miora did during 1 of her ten lives. Third. Too many bridges have been burned using mystique as a character, whether reformed in freedom force, the brotherhood of mutants, A shackled agent of xavier (in her own series). The best way I can describe her is that one pretty girl in high school who every guy got a turn with, smh! I almost forgot how they use d her to move the legacy virus story along, crap that was over a decade! Final. How they used destiny to burn miles alive by pyro was too cruel for words yet her and mystique were trying to hunt her down and kill her and they failed so pathetically (and it came back very badly when Jean grey got stabbed in the back!) She even messed up the mission to take out orchis with that black hole grenade that forge made for her for her mission to "sol's forge" near the sun, that could wiped out all of the top leaders in that group! I think I've said enough the X-Men are a great group of characters, but they are always getting stepped on and dragged. Yes we've seen the full power of many members of the groups and teams from both heroes and villains, also the soft power of diplomacy, finance, and politics when dealing with the world as a state, smh. With the writing in regards to grand story and plot they need better.
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