🐀 The Rat is nice and crunchy. The DS-1 is too thin.
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
Fair play.
@BinarySecond
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy how music is described
@princesssolace4337
Жыл бұрын
Both are beginners/newbie effect pedals ... once u reach a certain level, u gonna get a proper amp with proper gain channel and proper guitar for watever type of music u are playing.
@PHDDP1978
Жыл бұрын
@@princesssolace4337😂😂😂😂
@princesssolace4337
Жыл бұрын
@@PHDDP1978 Ain't joking mate ... haven't touch my DS-1, CH-1, BASS BALLS@ElectroHarmonic and BOSS DR5 drum machine since 1992. I bought the DS1+CH1 together with a shitty used 5w/10w(not sure of the wattage) single channel, practice amp (I think it was ROSS keyboard amp, but wat do I know, I urgently needed an amp so I can practice) ... any songs effect/EQ set-up, the amp just got a grunge distorted/OD or grunge clean tone ... its worst when u play a stock Tele through it ... u sneeze next to it, all the sonic feedback from your guilt will resonate through the speaker/amp 🤣 I got a 92' 30w, US made, PEAVEY Envoy 110 for home practice amp(highly recommended by me), a H&K Metal Master(it got 2 valve tubes driving 2 gain levels independent from each other ... need I say more) and a 92' JCM800 head(no speaker cabinets)for studio/live. (been hot-rodded by a guy from CERIATONE back in 98') ADA mp-1 + Digitech 256xl DSP is all I need for distortion/overdrive + more than enuff of ambience/signal processing on the Digitech. On stage I only got a late 80s KORG wah pedal. When playing live, one of my tech crew handles the preset pedal switching from the ADA+Digitech according to the set list. (that's what rehearsals for) PS - sorry if it sounds like a rant🙏
@bluecheesemints9208
Жыл бұрын
i think it's important to note that the rat feels so full because the filter isnt too open - the DS-1 could use with similarly rolling the tone back especially at higher gain
@TVguy9999
6 ай бұрын
Exactly. He uses the DS-1 with nearly full gain and but didn't do the same on the Proco Rat...(was that on purpose?)
@KLBoringBand
4 ай бұрын
@@TVguy9999they’re both pretty comparable gain wise. The tone is just set way brighter on the DS1 here
@paullee5449
4 ай бұрын
Great point Guys
@karlthunderaxe
3 ай бұрын
rolling back the tone on the DS-1 won't bring back the missing lows
@cadams1607
3 ай бұрын
@karlthunderaxe no but it will reduce that top end hiss that really stands out.
@Bruin_ffs
8 ай бұрын
Keep in mind the rat’s “filter” knob basically works the opposite way of the “tone” knob on the ds1. I still prefer the rat but by tweaking the tone knob you can get a much fuller sound out of the ds1 than you hear in this demo.
@onerandombruh
29 күн бұрын
Can you tell me how to find that mod?
@ecrecords615
4 ай бұрын
Double track your rhythm part with Rat track panned one way and DS1 panned the other. Will combine for massive stereo sound!!
@namjahs
22 күн бұрын
i think it should be rat in the middle and two ds1 tracks with different settings panned left and right, makes it sound huge
@benjamusic8888
Жыл бұрын
Actually i thought i'd love the ds1 more... but the rat has such a beautiful sound❤
@telemachia
9 ай бұрын
One is Sonic Youth, other is Smashing Pumpkins
@filth315
5 ай бұрын
Those are both big muffs
@CoasterGuy2323
5 ай бұрын
And smashing pumpkins is better
@Riffmaster227
4 ай бұрын
One is sonic youth, one is Nirvana DS-1 FTW
@iTsCrAzY1000
2 ай бұрын
pumpkins used muffs and fuzzes
@La_domniz
Ай бұрын
One is blur the other is nirvana
@hippoheadstudios4097
Жыл бұрын
rat all day. its more broken up and just has a better feel
@jameslong9921
Жыл бұрын
There is no "better" imo, you could happily drown any audience in the sonic wash of either beastie.
@zonkz6947
9 ай бұрын
Sonic wash 😮 🧼
@HangYourCross999
9 ай бұрын
RAT all day. Been using one for decades despite ridicule… until now. It can get huge sounding with the right amp / can combo, especially when paired with other pedals for flavor
@StaticcSignal
9 ай бұрын
Both are good. Ds-1 is great to pair with fuzz and od to make the tone sound fuller whereas Rat is good stand-alone. At least in my experience
@earlycuyler2295
11 ай бұрын
Proco rat ftw. From clean boost, light overdrive, crunch, high gain distortion, to fuzz. If you can only have one gain pedal, a rat is DEFINITELY the way to go.
@LowKickMT
7 ай бұрын
the rat sounds like every high gain on an amp the ds1/2 is like a high rpm chainsaw, iconic af
@krazyhartin
5 ай бұрын
Recently, I got the Proco Rat pedal because of artists I like, use this pedal. I really like it.
@commondog3956
6 ай бұрын
Both are solid.
@rafaelcabralwilliams
Ай бұрын
DS-1 has to be used like an overdrive, pushing a crunchy guitar tone.
@GuitarsRgood7
10 ай бұрын
I listened blind and totally thought the DS-1 was first, which sounded best to my ears. The Rat sounds more full. I just finally ordered one yesterday and can't wait for it to arrive!
@thesethingsmakenoises
10 ай бұрын
🙌🙌
@imsinala
8 ай бұрын
How do you like it a month later? :) thinking about getting one myself.
@GuitarsRgood7
8 ай бұрын
@@imsinala it's the perfect distortion! I thought about getting a more modern distortion, but this does everything I need. It's so easy to dial in a great sound. I got mine for $57 on Reverb. I think it was open box, but it looked like it was brand new to me.
@imsinala
8 ай бұрын
@@GuitarsRgood7 I appreciate the response bro I’m definitely looking into getting it!
@TheLemonFox
2 ай бұрын
They're pretty similar and you can get great sounds out of both if you know how to use a tone knob.
@Bellabaddi
7 ай бұрын
After about 30 plus years of playing, finally got a rat. Digging it. It has a 80s glam rock vibe to me… with my current setup.
@andrew6889-p5c
Жыл бұрын
I know this wasn’t the point, but the combination of the two of them operating in call and response is really nice. Each one gives a different feel for the same riff. Neither one better or worse.
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
That’s a great shout!
@Tyrannosaurine
Жыл бұрын
I use a DS-1 always on and a volume pedal to roll it back and get a gritty clean. A little bit of adjusting the treble, mid, and bass on your amp will make it sound better than it sounds in this video (although, I always keep the tone knob on the pedal at 11 o clock or lower).
@Mushroom-God-1
4 ай бұрын
I just bought both! Can't wait to unwrap them!
@Ghetto-Yeti
Жыл бұрын
I always used the DS1 as a first stage clean sound distortion like what maybe a TS or BD would be. Also, it's a great not clean boost. The Rat sounds great but was never my go to too bassy and muted. I'm a bigmuff/DS2/Box o Rock guy. Also, none of the new DS1 pedals sound good w out modding. The 80s and early 90s ones are so much better. That being said a ds1/rat combo is a fantastic alt rock sound.
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
Ahh no way. I didn’t realise the older ds1s sounded better!!
@fuzztortuga
Жыл бұрын
@@thesethingsmakenoisesid argue that they sound pretty similar. jhs did a good vid on how similar distortion pedals can be no matter the op amp. his bad monkey vid and rat history vid are great examples of it. i think as guitar players we can get caught up in things like worrying about small components even when they have no scientifically calculable difference
@Ghetto-Yeti
Жыл бұрын
@@fuzztortuga I agree w you in principle and the bad monkey is a great example. To me the silver screw/80s DS1s do sound a lot diff from the new DS1s in every guitar center is store around. They aren’t terrible and depending on what you use them for- esp if you aren’t a musician who plays out live etc. That being said, the new ones are thinner sounding and don’t have any balls when you roll of the gain and use them as a boost or a layer on top of something else like a DS2, which I only use in mode 2 (the mid boost side). I was actually really surprised the 1st time I bought a new DS1 because it sounded really shitty. I’d only ever played old 80s ones and expected the new one to basically sound the way the vintage ones had… I mean, it’s a damn DS1… why would they change the way a giant, popular pedal sounds and performs? I’m not a label whore when it comes to gear. If it SOUNDS GOOD it is good. I love the clones of everything Behringer makes. Their clone of the DS1/D+/Rat is awesome and the DS1 circuit sounds almost exactly like the original- def better than the new Boss versions. So, sure lots of inexpensive stuff kicks ass on its expensive counter parts but lots of new gear doesn’t sound quite up to snuff when it comes to owning its vintage counter parts. Also, my $30 original Chinese KLON clone is every bit as good as the real deal to me and I still have enuf left over to buy a vintage guitar and amp so……
@stillpist
Жыл бұрын
I have a 1984 ds-1 and a whiteface rat reissue. Never actually a regular rat or a new ds-1, but I also got pretty good deals on both.
@princesssolace4337
Жыл бұрын
I got a 88 Korg wah pedal+DS-1, 90 ADA mp-1, 92 JCM800 head, 90 H&K Metal Master, 90 Peavey Envoy 110, 92 Digitech 256xl DSP. Never got anything new after 94 ..... even my personal home mixer is the 1992 Yamaha 02R
@sylvestre.rawminey
4 ай бұрын
Turn down the tone of the DS-1, and it sounds good !
@needthecoast
Жыл бұрын
They are both awesome. It all depends on how they sound in your song mix.
@HK007Filmworks
6 ай бұрын
I picked the Metal Zone.
@jimszikk775
Ай бұрын
Finally a friend with my taste! Hello!
@-WidioAndikaPutra
9 ай бұрын
Absolutely RAAAAAAT
@foursamm
9 ай бұрын
I've played a Rat for longer than I'd like to say. Nothing rocks like the Rat...not even the third, unnamed option, The Big Muff.
@WhoDaF0ok1sThatGuy
Ай бұрын
The settings on that DS1 sound great for a band like Curta’n Wall
@danielnm156
5 ай бұрын
I personally prefer the RAT, how you turn the knobs gives you a lot of options whereas the DS1 is more static, it is what it is ! but it is also a very interesting pedal as it interacts very differently with different amps and guitars.
@oliverlangrall2014
11 ай бұрын
I love em both! just got the rat pedal and now, along with a ds-1, I'm running 3 different dirt pedals and 2 fuzz boxes on my pedal board for a really nice color palate of noise :) A pedal switcher is key to run them in parallel if using more than one at a time.
@thesethingsmakenoises
11 ай бұрын
That sounds sick!
@DeadChan67
5 ай бұрын
As someone who wants to achieve that raw sound, that DS-1 on high gain is just what I’m looking for!
@hippyhobo6285
12 күн бұрын
I like the Rat more but the DS1 is good for when you're layering tracks as well, by having different distortion sounds stacked together you have a more full sound I find.
@mikeroadblock
Жыл бұрын
Both. Multi track them.
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
Great shout!
@treastonschmuckley5111
Ай бұрын
You can make both sound good with Amp EQ or a preamp pedal. but the RAT is easier to get a good sound off the bat with. It's filter knob is so versatile it can adapt to any guitar and amp set up
@nedim_guitar
Жыл бұрын
For those who haven't tried it, the DS-1 is great into a distorted amp, like Marshall. It tightens the low end of it nicely.
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely!
@adamn78
7 ай бұрын
Both have their merit, IMO. I own a DS-1, and the settings can be adjusted to where it sounds fuller. The RAT also sounds good. It really is a matter of personal preference.
@design1of470
11 ай бұрын
The RAT is brighter, I use mine a lot. Tbh I also have a DS-1 b/c they're pretty cheap, but I don't really use it.
@CapNtrip5
9 ай бұрын
Rat for my liking!
@rickleblanc8900
Жыл бұрын
Never really been a Rat fan but in this video, it sounds full and just enough bite, very good. The DS1 wow, it is not dialed in the way I remember it sounding
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
They’re cool aren’t they. Hmm yeah I kinda think it sounds better on different amps
@jeffjefferson8137
Жыл бұрын
i have both, i’ve been using to rat for light overdrive lately it definitely does that better than the boss can. but something about tone and drive cranked to the right on the boss is so good. i’m just a sucker for anything kurt used
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I think it’s an awesome pedal
@jeffjefferson8137
Жыл бұрын
@@thesethingsmakenoises definitely, can’t go wrong with either of them
@fuckcensorship69
7 ай бұрын
"I dont care how I sound, if I can still pretend to be my hero"
@thisdyingsoul76
2 ай бұрын
Oddly, I find the RAT less harsh in spite of how filthy it can get.
@Eggnoodlesandketchup3
4 ай бұрын
The rat sounds like early teenage fanclub. The ds1 is pure nirvana
@RaitoXLive
7 ай бұрын
The ds1 sound reminds me of Rush band and Pulse ultra. Now I know which one I will get :D
@rique_.leal.
Жыл бұрын
a mix of both would be so cool to see.
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
I do quite often actually! It’s a great shout 🤘
@rique_.leal.
Жыл бұрын
@@thesethingsmakenoises awesome! I dont have either pedals but i like to mix their plugin variants im bandlab and they sound awesome! The rat provides a smoothness and thickness to the shrill ds1
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
That sounds awesome mate!
@rique_.leal.
Жыл бұрын
@@thesethingsmakenoises it definitely is! Thanks
@javiereu
Ай бұрын
The RAT, no contest.
@tonoselectricos
10 ай бұрын
Both of them!!!!++ But I tend more towards the RAT and it's fuzzy tone.
@paullee5449
4 ай бұрын
I only have 4 pedals And these two make up half My collection!!! Both are whoppers 🤟
@nickspitzley8539
2 ай бұрын
I think it would be wise to use both if you had two guitarist. The DS1 is thin and fizzy but has better cut. Both in the same track at the same time are ideal.
@Po1itica11yNcorrect
5 ай бұрын
I have them both and wouldn't sell either one. They're exceptional distortion pedals.
@Yoshi1up
5 ай бұрын
Ds-1 is good for stacking I think. Rat is good on it's own.
@ToméSomlo
Жыл бұрын
both are good but depends what style you are going for
@twiff3rino28
5 ай бұрын
I prefer the DS-2 over the current DS-1 circuit. I built a Rat about 10 years ago and use the DS-2 into the Rat a lot.
@toogoodinc
7 ай бұрын
The DS-1 lives and dies by the amp it's run through and the speakers outputting the sound. I've never messed with a Rat but I'm really liking the sound in this video.
@PATRICKHIEW
Ай бұрын
The Rat is nice but DS-1 is pure Nirvana🤘
@xxczerxx
4 ай бұрын
The DS-1 has a fizz on the top end I don't like. The Rat feels somehow harsh and smooth which is perfect to my ears
@lewischerry3552
9 ай бұрын
The RAT just has so much more body to it, I like the DS-1 but it’s a lot more treble, kinda curious how they’d sound stacked with the RAT doing most of the heavy lifting and the DS1 adding some extra stuff on the top end but there’s no guarantee they won’t sound really bad together either
@zachmiller4575
5 ай бұрын
In this test it’s the rat for me sounds nice and full
@DavidSmith-sw5kg
4 ай бұрын
I looked up the DS-1 on KZitem 2 days ago for information about it and have been inundated by posts about it ever since. It seems to me it’s more metal crunchy than the Rat which sounds compressed & muffled.
@maurostrachwitz747
Жыл бұрын
Something worth noticing the Rat can be used on bass, this was done by The Haunted's bassist on the "Revolver" album, it sounds really crunchy.
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
That’s awesome. My band have tried it before but didn’t get it to come out that great. Maybe it’s time to give it another go!
@therockerkid327
5 ай бұрын
Ds1/2 was highly used in the 90s
@mazakada
11 ай бұрын
Had a ds 1, always disappeared when playing with the band. Sold it and bought a tube screamer clone instead. Now considering adding the rat!
@stefanoidili
Ай бұрын
The Rat, ofcourse
@PleiadianArcturian888
10 ай бұрын
I’ve used the Boss it sounds like shit ordered the RAT I’m excited also great video.
@thesethingsmakenoises
10 ай бұрын
Haha!!
@gwugluud
9 ай бұрын
You could probably play through a clock radio and still sound good, lol. The Rat (and the good clones thereof) can also double as a fuzz, and is a little gnarlier. Just imo. Still a fan of the DS1 of course.
@thesethingsmakenoises
9 ай бұрын
Haha cheers!!
@heyjarrod
Ай бұрын
You gotta dial in that BOSS. Crank up the level, turn down the tone. I’ve never heard a DS1 sound that bad. Congrats! 😝🤘🏻🎸
@BruceEdwards
5 ай бұрын
Both
@RFVCXR200R
20 күн бұрын
The most iconic distortion pedos of all time.
@sercastamere9853
5 ай бұрын
Different applications. HOWEVER, ultimately all the good tones you hear on records come from AMP GAIN AND VOLUME, combined with mic placement. You'd be hard-pressed to find almost any example aside from Nirvana where a great tone came from a distortion pedal or overdrive primarily. A notable exception to this is commonly earlier "fuzz" pedals like the Tone Bender and other vaguely related "booster" and eq pedals like the Rangemaster Treble Booster, and later of course the Big Muff. BUT, overall it remains true espcially in Metal that almost all the great tones are purey the amp and guitar + in-studio compressors and mic placement.
@swissarmyknight4306
7 ай бұрын
The Rat is great, but don't sleep on the Boss DS-2 Turbo Distortion (basically a DS-1 but better). Boss HM-2 Heavy Metal is also great for this, depending on the sound you want. You don't have to run it wide open for the chainsaw sound; more moderate settings were quite popular in Shoegaze. HM-2w is even better for it, especially if you're tuning down.
@dcalespaul2487
Жыл бұрын
The Rat of course !
@unclesixer
23 күн бұрын
Pan one left and one right and there you go... that, and, all the better if you build your own pedals and mod the ds1 for a little more mids and a little less fizz
@Zaspor
Ай бұрын
How in the world is the DS-1 still that trebley with the tone knob where it is? Usually it is DARK at 10'o'clock or further to the left.
@zothanzualachhangte3416
Жыл бұрын
It's not even close 😂
@blackiesavage7661
6 ай бұрын
Even Ratt used Rat
@puppets1979
Жыл бұрын
The one you like best is the better one.
@nikoma_
2 ай бұрын
The settings for the DS-1 sound too light and airy. Mine doesn’t sound like that. My overall DS-1 settings are warmer.
@solidstorm6129
11 ай бұрын
Personally, I can’t help but like the sound the Rat more. I think it’s got something extra to its sound, you know.
@SteveSpears-Kuhlah
7 ай бұрын
It depends on how you tweak it
@ktg5047
3 ай бұрын
Both are really good, but in no world could I choose either over a big muff
@JCVidZ0912
3 ай бұрын
uh oh i think i prefer the rat also was that bullet with butterfly wings?
@Van_HaIen
Жыл бұрын
Ds1 reminds me of old rocks songs fro. Acdc or kurt coban
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
🤘🤘
@jesseberman7408
2 ай бұрын
These are both great pedals, but this demo only shows one sound from each. You can get both to sound like the other is shown here, and much more. The character of the distortion and eq filters are different, but the DS1 can sound more present and full if you use more level than gain. The "can of bees" thing mostly happens after 2 o'clock on the gain, and the RAT sounds better through a clean amp than the DS1. Everything will depend on your rig and tastes. A Boss pedal from the 70s wasn't made with direct-in, digital recording in mind. Obviously.
@christhayil8354
7 ай бұрын
I like the Rat
@Loooosszeeerrrr123
Жыл бұрын
The big muff is!!butstill love these two🙃🙃😊
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
Agreed haha
@nick011182
2 ай бұрын
I'm not sure, so it's a good thing I own both.
@builtforlucky
Жыл бұрын
DS-1 for woah wosh wosh sound like!
@mikolajsluzewski6121
9 ай бұрын
Gotta be the Rat!
@edwinwise6751
9 ай бұрын
The rat owns this
@Aromatic-ring
9 ай бұрын
Not really. The ds1 is being used incorrectly here and it’s definitely better for a more saturated distortion and better for recording
@EdwinHernandez0001
5 күн бұрын
The ds1 (Japan) is King because Kurt Cobain used it recording Bleach & Nevermind !!!! 😋
@jameslong9921
Жыл бұрын
The Ibanez Tube Screamer was pretty popular in the mid 80s as well, I thought the Ratt was a later addition to the competition?
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
Yeah tube screamer was definitely really prominent. Not too sure when it was actually made though. Early 80s?
@PN-hx8mm
6 ай бұрын
In my opinion, I like the DS-1 because it sounds much more grungy and the RAT sounds muffled
@loganhall-tr5vk
11 ай бұрын
Get both, and then a muff for good measure. Edit-sub in a ds-2 rather than the 1
@abelramirez7320
10 ай бұрын
Back in 2016, it was the first pedal I ever bought. It's never left my rig.
@FranckFB-G
10 ай бұрын
The Rat ❤
@jacobdoolittle124
Жыл бұрын
I preferred the RAT! The DS-1 sounded tinny, and weak, but the RAT was more balanced and full. That’s what’s awesome about guitar though… it’s so subjective, and there really isn’t a wrong way!
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
Fair play!
@drewlarsen2224
9 ай бұрын
RAT wins all day every day. Its so versatile, it can go from a overdrive to a thick drone fuzz
@kylewest3095
5 ай бұрын
Why not both??????
@ewdranofficial
5 ай бұрын
This pedals make the entire sound of Kurt Cobain
@pastaway3620
Жыл бұрын
All two for me!
@thesethingsmakenoises
Жыл бұрын
🤘
@earthrocker8955
5 ай бұрын
I never got into the DS-1, it just sounded like a blanket of soulless digistortion maybe good for certain passages but it lacks balls
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