Hey all, Unfortunately KZitem removed annotations so I can't put this directly in the video: 1) It was brought to my attention that elixir of the mongoose and elixir of greater agility stacking is just a visual bug, and you don't actually get 50 agility. So it seems, at least for now, there is no need for elixir of greater agility. 2) The wrong elixir of giants is shown in the picture - it should just be +25 strength (although it's fine, since the one shown doesn't currently exist anyways). So sorry for these mistakes.
@MellonVegan
4 жыл бұрын
Aww man, I just logged back in at 2 AM to get me some elixirs of greater agi for tomorrow's raid. Good thing I read the comments, first ^^
@PigpenTheOneAndOnly
4 жыл бұрын
Great video and very informative! My question is does the ground scorpok assay stack with mongoose?
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
@@PigpenTheOneAndOnly Thanks so much man, Im glad you liked it, and yes they should stack.
@jirachie9772
4 жыл бұрын
No disrespect to the author, there is some useful information here & if you are new to the rogue class, there is something you can use. There is also some fully incorrect information, which is why I feel I gotta post this. 1. DON'T stack to 5 combos and SND. You SND whenever its fading off at 0 seconds, whatever amount of combo points you have. 2. You absolutely DON'T spam your cd's at the start of the fight. Now this is raid dependant, but I will give you a priority list: A) You will want to use your CD's on the boss as many times as possible B) You want to time your CD's so that you have your crusader proc on ( double if you run double, though you shouldn't, weapon dmg MH is better) Example: You know boss fight takes 2mins and 50 seconds. BF lasts for 15 seconds, you will be able to use it twice, so it has to be up at 2.35. This means you have to use it first time at 0.35 --> If you don't get a crusader proc, you use it at 0.34 and again at 2.34. If you do get a crusader proc, you will use it when you do & you will use it second time at 2.34 at latest. Whatever you do, you will only get to use AR once, so just wait for a crusader proc. 3. Video talks about maximizing dps, not basic dps. Here are some actual tips for that: 1. If you play swords, learn to use your swingtimer to maximum efficiency for maximum extra swings. 2. When you play, you DON'T want to use energy when you have it. You use energy at 80 to dump it, when you get a proc, you dump it like a madman. Thus you use more enrgy with cd's on, kicking your friend rogues ass in the dps meter. 3. Use the right consumables. It's triggering to see rogues using instant poisons vs. elemental bosses, who are IMMUNE to poisons. Almost as triggering to see rogues run double dense stone, when elemental OH is much better. If you want to kick ass in the dps meter, buy da shit & know da shit. 4. Don't follow your rotation blindly. Some bosses allow standard rotation, but for some there are better ones. Won't give it all here, use your brain. 5. Run double arcane resistance pot at Shazzrah to top dps on the boss & impress your GM. 6. Blade flurry makes rogues shine or fall. Use it 1. at max energy, 2. thistle tea always BF on when fight has multiple mobs. 7. My final tip to you, get a stam gear. I have 6500hp raid buffed as a rogue. (Note: If your guild rage pools for bosses, make sure to vanish+macro your dps gear on before boss is pulled). I don't need my healers to keep me up on trash, so I won't need to be salty about losing my precious world buffs. Enjoy. Top the meters or go retail. Peace.
@jcal073
4 жыл бұрын
Jirachie hey man thanks a lot for this! Got a question. You said it’s noobie to have dense sharpening stone on the offhand. Why is that? I’m assuming it’s because the OH dmg is so low that you want the added crit of elemental to get double dmg (crit) more often than the measly +8 on the low dmg OH? I’m wondering if since I have Felstriker in my main hand if it’d be an exception for me to do double dense sharpening since I crit much more often anyway? Would love your feedback! Thanks!
@jirachie9772
4 жыл бұрын
@@jcal073 No probs, sorry if it came out harsher than it was meant to be. Aye, the 2% crit oh is superior. Since the oh +8 does nothing but increases your white attack damage by a super small margin, I'm pretty sure even with fs the 2% crit is better, though by a smaller margin & I have no data of this, just a hunch.
@jcal073
4 жыл бұрын
Jirachie all good man haha I didn’t mind, I appreciated the strong criticism of the video bc I’m trying to min/max! I’m sure the author appreciates it too because it keeps bringing me back to read. That makes sense because the hits are white ONLY so you want to be critting as much as possible. Even 3-5 more crits per fight outweighs the additional 8 dmg. Thanks again!
@romainlansard3906
4 жыл бұрын
Hey, Could you explain why you gotta blade furry at full energy if you don't mind ?
@jirachie9772
4 жыл бұрын
Short version, on single target, it doesn't matter. On multitarget, each point of energy you lack is obviously less damage done with the BF: Longer version: BF is by far the hardest skill to use as a rogue & usually determines if you top the dps charts or not. Sometimes you want to precast AR and waste some energy to get most out of it. In a perfect world, you have multitarget situation with 5 points on the target for evi set up, but you rarely get there. Bottom line, don't be the rogue who 1. Casts BF on a multitarget situation without a full energy bar 2. Refreshes SND during BF 3. Is afraid to use thistle tea "because my AR is on..."
@jeffafa_70
4 жыл бұрын
Mongoose and Greater Agility DON’T stack. You can use Mongoose then use Greater Agility and they will show as buffs but if you look at your stats the Greater Agility does not increase your agility.
@thejesterscapnc
4 жыл бұрын
Jeffery Anderson I was thinking the same thing and was gonna test it in game to make sure I was right.
@lfgubrs
4 жыл бұрын
What is the best weapon enchants for sword rogues, is it double crusader or crusader/15+ agility? I read that on OH weapons with a speed of 2.0 or lower you benefit more with 15+ agility and OH weapons that are slower than 2.0 you benefit more with crusader. Is it any truth in this?
@angrymonkey8199
4 жыл бұрын
Why would you put the elemental sharpening stone on your MH and dense on OH? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks so much for watching Robert. My thought process is the elemental sharpening stone will improve the crit of your yellow hits like backstab and whatnot if it's on your main hand. But even if that's not the case, 2% extra crit on the white hits from your main hand is likely better than the +dmg from the dense sharpening stone.
@angrymonkey8199
4 жыл бұрын
@@cliffwow2365 Yeah, I thought that at first as well (the description is pretty poor on it). From everything I gathered on the elemental sharpening stones, they increase your crit chance straight up, not just on that 1 weapon. So if you put it on both weapons, you would get 4% crit total. When I am on a budget, I throw the elemental on my OH and then throw the dense on my main.
@Martin.mattsson
4 жыл бұрын
so why do u have a weapon swing timer if u just spam backstab like a madman, kinda makes me wonder how much u accually know.
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much I actually know every day.
@stephenslomka5894
4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure I'm missing something really obvious here. It sounds like you're saying Blade Flurry is used on Boss encounters at 7:30 into the video. Did I misunderstand that? If not, lmk why it's a CD you pop on a single target encounter.
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Stephen, indeed you are, but no worries! Blade flurry increases your attack speed by 20% for the duration, so even on single target it is a nice dps increase. That said, on a multi-target fight, it is best to use it when you can get the full duration cleave with adrenaline rush up as well.
@erika7369
5 жыл бұрын
Cool video, did not know Winterfall firewater and Juju of might did not stack. Does it matter at all when you use adrenaline rush between energy ticks, to potentially get an extra improved energy tick while you have AR up?
@cliffwow2365
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if you really want to optimize it further, you want to hit adrenaline rush when your energy bar is around 75%. Because adrenaline rush lasts an odd number of seconds (15), and energy ticks every 2 seconds, this will give 1 extra tick of double energy.
@bellamyokrys4410
4 жыл бұрын
Why on two last bosses you adré and after Déluge and not déluge first and then adré ?
@kmanicolo
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Cliff! Great Content! As a dagger rogue in raids, would you suggest a 16/31/4 build or a 15/31/5 with 4/5 lethality? I am asking this as I've personally ended up not running relentless strikes, and seeing how much you emphasise the +25 energy, you make it sound mandatory! Thanks and regards
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Kevin, thanks so much for watching. I'm glad you liked it. I'm currently using classicdb.ch/?talent#f0xfoLZMIVbbEz0boV as my rading spec. The 25 energy is massive - you could usually get 2-3 of those procs in a typical boss fight - equating to another backstab. That will do much more damage than the extra 6% from the point in lethality. Try utilizing the spreadsheet I linked as well, it will allow you to at least get an estimate of how your dps will change based on these talent changes.
@kmanicolo
4 жыл бұрын
@@cliffwow2365 Thanks! Looking into it just now
@needs2805
4 жыл бұрын
@@cliffwow2365 Question for you. Wouldn't it be better to throw 2 points in imp eviscerate or relentless strikes over murder? Murder doesn't benefit you when fighting the elementals in MC.
@gfa9693
4 жыл бұрын
how much rouge deal in same gear in dagger or sword . i mean ( vis'kag + brutality blade) or (perditilion + core hound tooth). for all MC and on bosses? aproximately now i deal 450 + - (900kk damage) for all MC with dagger perditil and other 41 dps dagger, w/o worldbuff, only alchemy. i think it's low. What you think about it, dagger useless for now? should i change to sword bil?
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Andrey, if you have perditions you should definitely do more damage than using swords with blue swords.
@prophetmgs
4 жыл бұрын
You have to make sure you have the weapon skill to negate the glancing blow penalty
@camek4312
4 жыл бұрын
You also wanna wait for things like Sunder armor etc etc, to be on your target before slamming those cooldowns - that will help your dps alot more
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
Any good raid should have 5 sunders in the first 1, or possibly 2, globals.
@0dteESmini
4 жыл бұрын
Timing swings with HOJ / sword specialization for human sword rogues?
@xbriskx
4 жыл бұрын
What is better DPS for PVE? Dal Rend pair of Lobotmiser + Distracted Dagger?
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
I would suspect the dal rends combo (especially if playing a human). But you can use the spreadsheet to compare to be more sure.
@xbriskx
4 жыл бұрын
@@cliffwow2365 Where the spreadsheet?
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
@@xbriskx come on man...
@prophetmgs
4 жыл бұрын
Hes right the game knows the best rogue and enables you to win loot
@Pokephat
4 жыл бұрын
whats your combat daggers spec?
@SpencerDurfee3
4 жыл бұрын
Could you provide the spreadsheet link please or the discord so I could attempt to find it? cheers :)
@SamSam-bg6ok
4 жыл бұрын
You can't stack the elixir of the mongoose and the agility. I mean on your buff bar yes it stacks, but if you look your stats, you only get the +25 agility, not + 50 from both. Take care cuz you are spending money for nothing. Also as combat sword spec, you should get a melee wep tracker addon. Cuz Sinister strikes will proc your sword talent / HOJ, you need to maximize this by doing sinister strike at the right moment to dont waste a white hit if hoj or your sword talent proc.
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Sam, thanks so much for watching. I wrote about the not stacking issue in the pinned comment. As for the swing timer, I've thought about this quite a bit, and had discussions with other rogues as well. Optimizing a swing timer for sword spec and HoJ could lead to somewhere around a 1% DPS increase. It could make a difference at the absolutely top levels, but I felt it would overcomplicate things for people who are coming to watch this video.
@petrock2267
5 жыл бұрын
Yo great video man! What addon are you using for energy ticks?
@cliffwow2365
5 жыл бұрын
Hi PetRock. Thanks so much for watching man, glad you liked it. The only decent energy tick addon I could find is called NugEnergy
@petrock2267
5 жыл бұрын
@@cliffwow2365 Tysm, I've been trying to find a good one for ages.
@xuhao878
5 жыл бұрын
imagine u went into BRM with all the buffs and caught by the other faction
@cliffwow2365
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for watching xu hao! That is actually quite often the case already, and will likely increase as we get into phase 2 starting this week. I am fortunate to be in Crusade and Esfand leads our 4+ raids together into BRM at raid time to try our best to prevent losing buffs.
@MellonVegan
4 жыл бұрын
Coordination is key. We go in with 2 raids and lost just a single person from the raid I was in and a couple from the other.
@chocrikir655
4 жыл бұрын
Yet another "ultimate" guide on Rogue DPS by a Rogue who is not even paying attention to the swing timer and just spams the shit out of his abilities. Next.
@chocrikir655
4 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderbrandt9816 Ofc it matters on Alliance too. There still are sword and hoj procs that reset the swing timer in the same manner Windfury does, although it has less impact than Horde, that much is true.
@TheFunkyfeelings
4 жыл бұрын
This guide reminded me that i need to take out the trash.
@degturbo
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the guide! Pick up some ammo next time you're in town haha
@ownageDan
4 жыл бұрын
you evis at 3 cp when adrush is active. 3x 3CP evis is more damage than 2x 4 or 5 cp.
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
This is not the case, because of the talent that gives a 20%/CP chance to refund 25 energy on a finisher. Evising at 3CP would mean gambling with that at 60% chance rather than get the 100% at 5CP. An example can be seen in the top parsing rogue on Ebonroc, a patchwerk style fight - classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mYLGqFA7JyfBdhDc#fight=23&type=casts&source=28&view=events
@bryanfox2920
4 жыл бұрын
I dont have microsoft so how else can i open that spreadsheet?
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
Should be able to open it with Google sheets.
@FOX3114
4 жыл бұрын
@@cliffwow2365 it's being weird for me in Google sheets 😩
@inflames8019
4 жыл бұрын
@@FOX3114 openoffice
@kgcringleberry2720
4 жыл бұрын
FYI mongoose and greater agility DONT stack is a visual glitch !!!! Don’t believe me watch your stats when you pop them both
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
Pinned comment
@andreaspapadias5001
5 жыл бұрын
Can we have the pdf that shows u the items (best in slot)? :x
@cliffwow2365
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Andreas, thanks so much for taking the time to watch my content, I really do appreciate it. The wowhead guide actually does a pretty good job with giving the best in slot items, here's the link: classic.wowhead.com/guides/rogue-dps-gear-bis-classic-wow#phases-phase-2 If you have any specific questions about them please feel free to ask!
@doopcpm
5 жыл бұрын
mongoose and greater agility doesn't stack. check your agility amount next time you pop greater agility. 0 agi added
@cliffwow2365
5 жыл бұрын
Very true. Hence the pinned comment.
@BiAkU69
4 жыл бұрын
yeah ok, he fcked me up i was sure it doesnt work
@MichaelFazio
5 жыл бұрын
It seems the spreadsheet link is broken
@cliffwow2365
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for watching Michael. And especially thanks for letting me know the link was broken. The new link in the description should work.
@Snoken127
4 жыл бұрын
Pro tip.... USE ADRENALINE RUSH AND BLADE FURY WHEN Crusader procs to max your dps.... seriously dude?
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
Of course that is ideal, but may not necessarily be best. Sure on a patchwork-esque single target right that makes sense, but on lucifron, gehennes, domo, and sulfuron there's cleave for blade flurry. On shazzrah a relatively well geared raid takes him down in under 30 seconds, so saving anything would be a waste. Trying to time it with crusader really only applies to Golemagg and Onyxia, since every other fight has a fight dependent time that makes the most sense.
@zachboswell7461
5 жыл бұрын
Great video. You got a sub out of me!
@cliffwow2365
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Zach. That means a lot. Seriously.
@scorpxjc
3 жыл бұрын
How is your rogue looking these days
@madspetersen1417
4 жыл бұрын
25 agi and mongoose dont stack you noob look at your stats when you pop em
@LewReviews
4 жыл бұрын
In my guild showing up to raids is how you get gear lol we don't gift items to top parse people wish we did I would be stacked son haha
@jackie7892
4 жыл бұрын
Crusade ......haha same guild as where Esfan is?
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for watching Jackie! And yes, Esfand is my guild leader.
@mrillis9259
4 жыл бұрын
Why would you give the best loot to the guy at the top of the charts. He don't need it lol
@TheQuadler1
4 жыл бұрын
i love misinformation!
@nathancarpathia9591
4 жыл бұрын
Some pretty trash advice in this guide.
@cliffwow2365
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Nathan, thanks for watching man! Appreciate the very constructive comment
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