MISTAKE! So Sorry I did miscalculate the Tack Zone Damage. IT should end up being 563,380 instead of 5 million ( that was my bad. I either misread or am really dumb - probably both lol) Actually then I was correct that it ends up being 18 million if you end up using all 32 tacks which as pointed out will still be 9 times more effective than Moab Elim. Regardless, again the point still being that faster attacking towers will still dish out more damage with buffs and debuffs given the attack rate is ultimately the point I was trying to make. Thank you for those of you who noticed :)
@Teapotman2
9 ай бұрын
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@timbrunner8543
9 ай бұрын
i was just about to comment XD
@davidwilliams316
8 ай бұрын
Why isn't the biggest one in A tier? It does alot of damage over time and have lots of pierce.
@HengRuikaiMsh
3 ай бұрын
@@davidwilliams316 pierce isn't as important as damage late game and the damage from biggest one is insignificant
@hudsonberkan3232
2 ай бұрын
Cus it's DPS to fort bads is trash@@davidwilliams316
@Striking_Luna
9 ай бұрын
he forgot the free 0-0-0 dart monkey that everyone forgets to sell
@vito5519
9 ай бұрын
I mean if it's free than the only reason you would sell it is to clear out space or to make your alchemist buff the other towers because you don't get any money from selling it as you didn't spend any money on it in the first place.
@trapbeats5844
9 ай бұрын
Hey Vito, the original comment was a joke. You replied in a way that could either be genuine ignorance of that fact or an even deeper level of sarcasm. I see comments like yours quite frequently and I just want to know, are you seriously replying to let people know this information? Or is this just a reaction bait? Please be genuine, this is the first time I’ve actually asked whether what I suspect was obvious sarcasm was actually just bait.
@dylanbrown4696
8 ай бұрын
@@trapbeats5844shame u didn't get a reply
@ETA_125
3 ай бұрын
It technically has an infinite cost:damage ratio :)
@usernametaken017
2 ай бұрын
@@ETA_125yeah but in freeplay all we care about is footprint. That's why the shooty turret is actually the best late game tower
@tfraenckel
9 ай бұрын
I don't understand why Grand Master isn't in the "Put down if room" section considering you yourself mentioned it's only really worth it if you have insane amounts of space. Sorta feels like that tier was literally made for a situation like that
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, hindsight that actually makes the most sense! I think I was a bit tunneled on its damage, but you are absolutely right about it being situational
@chuchuplane1183
8 ай бұрын
another thing to consider might be that since the grandmaster with a shinobi army already takes up so much space, i think that the master bomber would also be viable since you could just add it with the shinobi army for the grandmaster@@TKRaxzor
@chuchuplane1183
8 ай бұрын
@@TKRaxzor i had made a severe lapse of judgment in my earlier comment, good work in informing me about how bad the master bomber is in lategame
@helllllllopeople8800
9 ай бұрын
I haven't watched the whole video yet, but usually just spam every T5 unoptimizable to its max.
@NihilisticTings
8 ай бұрын
That made no sense.
@SAMBLlNK
7 ай бұрын
@@NihilisticTingsthey place down every tear 5 character on the map
@ZephyramG
4 ай бұрын
That Isn't Actually The Best Strategies, Some T5 Are Not Worth The Space They Take And You're Better Off Placing An Overclock Instead Of Wasting The Space Their Taking Up.
@bodeeeen
4 ай бұрын
@@ZephyramGwrong
@ZephyramG
4 ай бұрын
@@bodeeeen Explanation?
@forehead_
9 ай бұрын
a tip to alleviate the "double click" when you try to use abilities during extreme lag is to click and hold the ability, and then release once 1-2 frames have passed. with this trick, i can consistently buy/resell an ultraboost to significantly speed up the process of ultraboosting everything instead of having to keep it there to use a hotkey.
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
That's actually awesome! I'm going to try that. If that works, you are a godsend
@Coriangel184
8 ай бұрын
@@TKRaxzor did that shit work
@hajjabubba2293
3 ай бұрын
@@Coriangel184it did
@SlongestKongest
2 ай бұрын
Ur in the new late run video lol
@Patkall
9 ай бұрын
That's a beautiful tierlist. I would only debate with FF, because it's damage is insane with all buffs and I would argue that Sky Shredder + ISAB does more than 20% of the Doomship.
@ToTiredTooThink
8 ай бұрын
space
@zombeeCAL
9 ай бұрын
actually now that you mention blooncin i think a great idea for mortar paragon would be to strip the fortified from BADs (activated ability ofc)
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
That would be crazyyy
@Lt_Koro
9 ай бұрын
that would be insanely OP. like almost more busted than when NK decided to introduce BAD instakills
@R3Breezy
9 ай бұрын
@@Lt_Koroso ur logic is making bads weaker is way more broken than insta killing bad yea ur so smart
@Lt_Koro
9 ай бұрын
@@R3Breezy uhh. The way it is right now. Yes. Navarch kills 2 at most. Even with an activated ability you could get rid of much much more health depending on how that ability works
@megaphoneca
8 ай бұрын
They would probably make it a like a burst pop and awe but it only effects like 2 +1 per every 20 paragon tiers with a max of 6
@noahwulgaert293
9 ай бұрын
I personally would've put sky shredder, carpet of spikes, and flying fortress in hotly debated and grandmaster ninja in A tier but otherwise I agree with these rankings
@rezehx8637
9 ай бұрын
the paragons get like 20% buff if you dont have any of the t5s placed down tho so it aint really worth placing flying fortress, sky shredder and no grandmaster ninja, carpet of spikes could be really good but for a single bad as its single target damage is op but its pierce is bad which means it doesnt do well against grouped
@shrekiscool4743
9 ай бұрын
Carpet of spikes got nerfed recently but it's still miles better than it was before the buff, it's still a very strong tower
@lancetheking7524
4 ай бұрын
@@rezehx8637 it's whether or not the flying fortress and flying shredder benefits allot from God boost or not
@PineappleForScale
8 ай бұрын
I tested multiple scenarios in challenge editor and goliath doomship with buffed flying fortress has higher overall dps than doomship solo. I didnt even give FF all the buffs like support temple and 10 stacks of UB, not even sky shredder, yet that setup still outperformed solo doomship. FF is an instant S, not even a debate.
@martinpra-gn9cc
9 ай бұрын
Great vid, I mostly agree with your ranking, the only one i would put higher is carpet. Also you miscalculated the tack zone damage with buffs a bit, but your point is still valid :)
@brandontew1567
3 ай бұрын
Engineer paragon ultra boosts itself
@HELLO-mx6pt
9 ай бұрын
Hey raxzor, great video as per usual. I'm gonna take it fully into consideration with my late game sessions lol. I kinda had a video idea you could be interested in. As of lately, I've been playing free play on all daily challenges to see how far I can get with the limited options the game gives you. It's super fun and you wouldn't need to edit / work too hard since it would be pretty straightforward most of the times. Maybe you could do it as a weekly thing in whichever challenge you liked the most that week. It would also give you monkey money which you always lack lol. Thanks for the video!
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
LOL - That's actually a great idea because I need monkey money. I actually like this! Maybe I will do a weekly video on this :) (more to get monkey money. I don't even have corvus yet lol rip)
@genghiskhan6688
9 ай бұрын
The editing and roasts are awesome, lol.
@not_funny2570
18 күн бұрын
not using legend of the night is stupid he can save u in the hardest parts of the game
@kemix1357
9 ай бұрын
this is so high quality respect man
@Woah9394
9 ай бұрын
Apex plasma master is problably an A bc it can do quite a bit of damage and it was small footprint too Inferno ring,tack zone,aow,mad are problably A bc despite dealing lots of damahe,they still shouldnt be a priority And grand master ninja is problably a hotly debated or sacrifice placeholder
@grrumakemeangry
9 ай бұрын
FF should be B tier at least. Carpet of Spikes should be at least B too, maybe even Sky Shredder
@samukinhav0836
9 ай бұрын
in my opinio if Nk don't mess up Mortar paragon will be SS tier
@aydenator27
9 ай бұрын
yeah, imagine it can defortify BADs (probably using an ability since doing it with every attack is just wayyyy too op.)
@Senzuth
9 ай бұрын
Great video as always! I was wondering what sacrifices do you give to your vtsg?
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
Usually the first temple will be a 1-1-1-0 into a 2-2-2-1 as long as I have a support temple. If for some reason I can't get a support temple then I will try to make the vtsg a 2-1-2-2 instead to give that innate support templ buff to other towers
@AyaanRaj-td7gx
9 ай бұрын
I do not agree about maelstrom because I tested both tack zone and maelstrom till round 155 with all buffs and debuffs and tackzone had only 200k more pops than maelstrom plus maelstrom is cheap so if tackzone deserves an S tier, maelstrom should as well. Round 155 pop count check:- Tackzone = 18794491 Maelstrom = 18661924 Buffs:- Geraldo - vision potion, jar of pickles, sharpening stone(tackzone only) Permabrew TSG Ultraboost Primary expertise Homeland defence and call to arms Glaive dominus Debuffs:- Glue storm Cripple Moab Embrittlement Super brittle Map :- resort Placement on the ring but tack zone was over maelstrom. I also several times switched the positions of the towers and it mattered a lot. For a while when maelstrom was over tackzone, it had a million pops more and vice-versa. Crosspathings Tackzone :- 2 0 5 Maelstrom :- 0 5 2 Correct me if I am wrong but I think if tackzone deserves S tier maelstrom atleast deserves an A tier placement too.
@JustAltAccount
8 ай бұрын
Wake up babe. New raxzor video just dropped
@vernedead
8 ай бұрын
The mortor in the hotlt debated it strips bloons of fortifified that is the most useful in the late games
@Lt_Koro
8 ай бұрын
for easy mode freeplay its a complete waste of space. it only works on BFBs and below and those are by default like... a negative threat
@Lt_Koro
9 ай бұрын
if I dont comment on a tower you can assume that I agree with the placement also this is what some might call half the bible so may you enjoy reading. I just love ranting about btd6 freeplay. also I wont do quality controle on this comment. I have a tendancy to just kinda forget to write words sometimes even tho I think I wrote them and some simple letter mix ups when typing too fast for my own good. I can tell you from my own testing that 20x buffed jitsus deal more damage than a savatar with adoras buff. on that note. grandmaster should be in A for the exact reasons you listed. its only REALLY worth it if you have the shinobis and without its like yea ok its a small footprint tower might as well if it fits. and on the topic of resort vs. logs I'd recommend watching MackanRules' video on that. both maps have updsides and downsides and I'd say you should go for the map you're more familiar or comfortable with. based wizard ranking (just techbot with ambush point works well enough for the paragon btw) should've put big plane in hotly debated. I did some testing and big plane + paragon dealt way more damage than just paragon. but that test wasnt super great but should've still gotten into hotly debated or A tier. flagship really needs its own tier in a way. the effectiveness of navarch wont be fucked if you get it since you mostly want the passive and active hooks. and the two platforms can be very usefull depending on map and restriction. theres no argument to be made for plord. all it does is take up an ability slot which might be very annoying. just dont bother. bru. deadass forgor to do boomer t5s with boomer paragon. but fair enough for its ranking. alright he rembered it. yea fair enough. boomers arent really that great. can deal some decent damage but you can get other towers for either less space and similar damage or smiliar or more space and more damage. best apex ranking. its god damn trash. by far the worst tower per value in the game. and darts t5s are absolute garbage as well. BUT. to be fair to PMFC it was an absolute carry before NK fucked up chimps freeplay. it has AMAZING damage potential but falls to the same drawback grandmaster and jitsus do. the space it takes up could be used better with other things... like a ninja army... and on your last comment about apex. yea I also typically just get it cuz its a paragon. and to then laugh at it when a t5 for less than half the prize I got like 50 rounds ago dealt more damage than apex during its 200 rounds of existance. such a pitiful tower... afaik engi paragon actually reaches its attack speed cap from ultraboosting itself. but even if the MK has an effect as you said UBoost and SChamp are too good. tho I'd be careful with UBoost cuz I mean to rember having rounds last long enough for it to reach its 3 uses and stop buffing. so I'd put it on a less important tower like BMA or your hero and give a t5 two overclocks instead. no big comment on supers. tho depending on map and restrictions again it can be very usefull to use LotN. no big comment on buffs/debuffs. but remember to always go for 520 sniper since the shrapnel does inflict the debuff as well. elite sniper kinda like flagship would need its own tier. elite defender I'd put in B tier. the damage is way lower than you might think. you are only kinda somewhat correct when saying that pierce doesnt matter too much. it matters in the way that IF elite defender could damage more targets then sure but it cant. it only attacks a single target, which makes its damage kinda mid. actually good solution for chinook. it has great useage for setting everything up but after that... only if you somehow still find the space to put it and only if that space is in the last corner of the map. people gotta stop simping for blooncin. top 10 waste of space towers recommended by people who have no idea about how easy mode freeplay works. instead of changing everything else around I probably would've put BEZ and RoD into B tier or made another extra tier for them. cuz they are very strong. or you should think about ranking towers within their tiers in which case Bez and RoD could've gotten low A tier and MAD top A tier. funny BMA joke: why put it into S tier and not PLord, blooncin and big trap. well dear child... because unlike those BMA is actually good at what it does. ok you should've elaborated on BMA tho. first: its much better at the job than the other hotly debated towers. second: the reason why being so good at clearing out zomgs is so valuable is, that it allows all your towers which are set to first to focus on the next BAD sooner instead of attacking fZOMGs which can at like r400+ take a decent ammount of time to kill even in a full setup. attack time is arguably next to space the second most valuable ressource in freeplay. and to anyone thinking that TT5 is good with druids... no. same problem that PMFC and ninja armys run into. superstorm is my favourite staller ever. if your map choice allows it you should get one at the very end of the track to catch unlikely leakers. and when buffed theres no need for any other stallers. a super buffed superstorm could easily replace every single stalling gimmick from all the paragons and every other stalling tower combined. SotF can actually be used if you go for Ezili to keep your lives stocked up. garbage otherwise tho. yea AoW is pretty good even without poplust army. Expertise as you said has insane range for a village. people shouldn't think about using it only for buffing primary towers but potentially like... half of the entire map. you dont need the MIB buff anyways if you're using BMA and debuffs which hopefully you obviously are... good that you commented on bottom path having the same gimmick as Expertise with larger range. very usefull in chimps freeplay btw giga and I think megalodon as well actually do deal a lot of damage making them worth IF you can afford the absolutly massive ammount of space they take up. big bird is utter garbage tho. the stalling is so so SO SO SO weak compared to the likes of superstorm... oh and since megalodon also one-shots everything below a BAD its popcount can get crazy with the ZOMG health. but uhh... again like the others compared to BMA that is just so god damn bad and it stops the megalodon from attack BADs for so long its just another misleading popcount tower.... based tack shooter, ice, glue, sub, farm, spacktory and bomb rankings. savatars dont actually need adora to become better than like dark champions. again MackanRules made a vid on that. savatars are simply superior in almost every way.
@polarbearking2959
9 ай бұрын
LETS GO. NEW VID
@SterlaMusic
9 ай бұрын
Isn’t LOTN useful for his portal though? I mean yeah he is very much so used to make VTSG mostly but it’s also important to have him as well for the portal. I may be wrong so please let me know.
@Qaser7
8 ай бұрын
Once the VTSG is online, you can't purchase LOTN.
@lool8421
3 ай бұрын
i've heard that if you go with the ninja strategy, then apex plasma master actually does worse dps than a bloonjitsu which is just sadge
@legendleopard7125
9 ай бұрын
the thing about paragon T5s now is do you think the T5s of from the paragon will do more damage than the paragon attackspeed buff from not using them. Which i think, for every paragon rn, its better not to keep the t5s in late game.
@aGameScout
9 ай бұрын
clickbait putting the dart paragon in F in the thumbnail lol
@BuffMico
9 ай бұрын
14:22 Bro gave me flashbacks to 1961💀
@MindiRamseyMarketing
Ай бұрын
Bez kinda underrated
@olivergro7105
8 ай бұрын
my 10x overclocked flying fortress had a popcount of over 130mil at stage 240~ish and i had the goliath doomship built so it lost alot of pops in the meantime. imo this is a good popcount, it was kinda up there with my paragons. like 20% of what a paragon did, maybe 15%
@I-think-I-can-Shoot
9 ай бұрын
very good tier list however i think spirit of the forest should be in early game since its a good damage dealer up until the higher 90s and makes good money when u start
@Peepshen
8 ай бұрын
i like this video :) Could you possibly do one like this but chimps?
@smellyerfy3089
2 ай бұрын
i hate how underrated bomb blitz is if a balloon hits the end the bomb blitz basically gives you another chance ( i dont know if it works as good in waves like 400 or higher)
@ddiu522
9 ай бұрын
i dont even play the game and i find myself watching ur vids lmao
@PauMB-gw5yn
8 ай бұрын
I did the tests and it turns out that max buffed FLying Fortress is worth
@dtniland
9 ай бұрын
i was wondering if you have considered doing a late game run on in the loop using only the loops. i got to round 321 but with a better setup (i am not that good) you might be able to go further. I think that it is a really fun challenge because you have just about the right amount of space to make it interesting but hard
@zacharyoconnor9590
8 ай бұрын
Tier max buffed tier 4 ice monkey in tier 5 heli as door gunner can be good support for entire map debuff.
@not_coal2497
9 ай бұрын
spirit of the forest should be "early game" tier i think
@Lt_Koro
9 ай бұрын
depends on your map and restrictions. I dont think theres much of a reason to bother using it in a regular freeplay run unless you use Ezili
@EthanMorrow-d4o
9 ай бұрын
I LOVE RAXZOR AND LATE GAME IN GENERAL
@thealienlord69
9 ай бұрын
I don't really agree with carpet of spikes. It got a ridiculous damage buff that is not very known of. But if you do use it correctly, it SHREADS.
@TheMATTrix...
9 ай бұрын
COS will be completely useless in ultra late game. Think about it. imagine the COS does an average of 100k single target damage per ability. the BAD's have 10M HP. it just gets worse as u get further on, and it can create some lag.
@thealienlord69
9 ай бұрын
@@TheMATTrix... Other towers like elite defender are 2 tiers higher, but it's worse when compared to carpet even with the elite sniper buff since it can only hit 1 target and only one. Plus you can't get the 4x attack speed since you can't leak any moab bloons unless you use ezili but she isn't the best hero for late game. While for carpet, all you have to do is wait or press a single button and it does massive damage to all bloons on screen. So what I'm getting at is carpet is underrated and should be higher, while elite defender should be lower.
@Hoshi7763
Ай бұрын
@@thealienlord69 8 months later, but carpet lags extremely hard and the damage it doesnt does not make up for it at all, even post recent nerfs
@skeptikmavi6743
9 ай бұрын
I dont agree with you supermalestrom is s tier 🥶
@survivmobile3932
8 ай бұрын
Blooncineration is necessary in late game for its fortify remove off moabs
@ThePuppyOfProdigy
9 ай бұрын
wouldnt tier 5s of the ninja and engi hurt the monkey knowledge +20%
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
The Paragon of Power Monkey knowledge, as mentioned, only increases attack spd. Since ascended shadow is typically only really used for the permanent grand Sabo ability (where it gets most of the pops) it is one of the few towers where grandmaster ninja (with Shinobu stacks) can do really good raw dps. To the point where it outclassed the paragon power monkey knowledge. Sentry champion suffers the same fate as grandmaster ninja in that its raw DPS outshines that of the paragon even outdamaging master bulder quite easily. Also, if you don't consider ultraboost, then probably won't be going late at all.
@nikhildeshmukh7971
2 ай бұрын
is sun avatar better than dark champ in lategame even without adora
@ConnorTanner-q1p
8 ай бұрын
sentrychampion and 5-0-2 ninja are truly the only towers that are not VTSG/buff/debuff towers that are NEEDED. 5-0-2 ninja even WITHOUT shibobis does about as much DPS as the boomerang paragon... (which is pathetic... for the boomerang paragon) of course taking powers into account. ray of doom is truly TERRIBLE in lategame and it's only use is oneshoting superceramics on the last corner which is uh... really, really bad. BEZ though? it's not anywhere near the power of the 5-0-2 ninja or 5-2-0 engi, but its DPS is certainly more worthwhile then any other tower. 2-0-5 sniper (or 0-2-5, really depends on if you want grouped bad, or single target fortified bad damage) is REALLY good, 0-5-2 sniper buffing BOTH sniper paths by 50% is a nobrainer. BMA, ironically, even though you see it have the most pops generally, isn't an Stier tower, it's a cleanup option once fortified BAD's pop, even then though, the sheer amount of stuns from the ninjagon, knockbacks from boomergon, and instakill from boatgon make up for that, i would say its Atier. 0-5-0 dart is truly a LAST RESORT tower, placed down once there is literally no room left. considering this criteria, its Atier. sun avatar is not mentioned, but im assuming its Stier for clear reasons. archmage truly overrides the DPS of the monkey knowledge that the wizardgon gives, and honestly, its not even close. Stier. 0-5-0 heli shouldn't be earlygame, considering that it has door gunner for towers such as an extra overdrive or 0-5-0 dart. of course, the main use is moving towers around, so i understand why you would believe its an earlygame tower. -note, to make the list more clear, entirely remove the "sacrifice placeholders" and put them into Ctier. flying fortress does outDPS the acegon's buff, assuming you don't use time stop. (the boat paragon will buff BOTH towers) (timestop doesn't affect paragons, however, monkey boost doesn't either) this means that the paragons will attack at the normal speed, no matter what. normal towers will attack faster from monkey boost, AND overall they attack faster then the bloons are slowed by with timestop. if i made a mistake, correct me of course.
@Lt_Koro
8 ай бұрын
I love big comments like this. I made my own, which tbf looking back a few things I could correct but its whatever. I'm not too sure about Elite Defender. I cant ever rember it being a particularly impressive tower. although I think it got a few buffs lately so since its a small footprint its probably worth putting down yea. BMA should remain S tier imo. its much more effective at getting rid of non-BADs than Navarch, its only a small footprint and it doesnt matter at all where you put it. so for what it offers I 100% think it deserves S tier. I'm not too sure what you're on about with PMFC. without other darts its absolutly not worth having. it would need a techbot as well which would take more space. instead consider like a jitsu or smth. last time I've used archmage I've been very disappointed. was before wizard paragon came out I think and for a medium footprint tower it was pretty bad. I do think chinook should only be early game. the ammount of space it takes up ist really worth it later on. should - if possible - be replaced with something else. gamr
@froggie610
8 ай бұрын
Great Video! I wonder what your placements are regarding the heroes if you were to pick one. I assume that Adora and Ezuli are on the top of the list. However heroes like Geraldo and Ben are contentious, i don't know how that would stack up, I'd assume that they would only be benefitual for funding for all paragons.
@skeptikmavi6743
9 ай бұрын
I dont mean its neccesary but I think having bma is pretty good in late game I know there is sooo much thing that can do it but since also fzomg has so many health the towers on first shoot zomg till your navarch get thoose its just helps navarch and its can see overwalls + small footprint
@SoulBoyDenz
9 ай бұрын
yea its good but its kinda a fraud it will show alot of pops but thats just cuz it steals a ton that u would have popped anyways
@skeptikmavi6743
9 ай бұрын
@@SoulBoyDenz yeah mini navarch with 0 bad damage
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
I still agree with this comment, though! You do still need something that will clean up the insides of the BADs and BMA usually does the job with Navarch
@skeptikmavi6743
9 ай бұрын
@@TKRaxzor yeah and its not micro requaried
@jarikk333
4 ай бұрын
BMA is easily the worst tower for lategame, all its pops are STOLEN and from ZOMGS and lower only, and if you can kill fortified bads, you are not struggling with ZOMGs
@NathanicDude
4 ай бұрын
Huh what huh
@fixihartmann9051
4 ай бұрын
would sub paragon just replace energizer?
@SchwarzieKun
8 ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on having Ascended + Shinobi instead of just Ascended when accounting for the MK regarding faster attack speed when there isnt another T5 of the same monkey
@aidansedelnick4443
3 ай бұрын
Magus Perfectus mah boi >w< My favorite paragon by far
@mythmakroxymore1670
4 ай бұрын
35:01 yeah, they tied this buff to Jone’s level 7 ability. And he doesn’t help with BAD’s the stall is nice but he acts like 2 different tier 5’s in 1. However, the Black Bloon immunity is nice cover for an MIB, so you could greed farms if you some reason decided to go for bombs or Signal Flare for early game. Other than that he doesn’t scale well, and is better replaced by another hero. Sad cuz he’s my favorite… As for Blooncineration, it can be a negative. You have to target it if you want to stall for abilities, otherwise you can do too much damage too quickly. That’s the biggest negative. When all your abilities are finally done though, target it to the entrance or to wherever the bloons are being cleaned up at. Oh one final thought, perhaps the “hotly debated” towers are easy choices for early game timesave because it’s nice to just breeze past, and the instakills expedite the process, but you should sell them under a Favored Trades to pay for the S Tier towers. Any extra money is good, and the abilities help bring in a tad more for the farms. It won’t pay off until it’s time to pay for an antibloon, but any extra buildup and/or time save is good.
@skeptikmavi6743
9 ай бұрын
Where is the free dart monkey 🤬
@paumb64
9 ай бұрын
You accidentally multiplied tack zone dmg in 1 hour by 10 (doesn't make much sense that dps would increase from 1 min to 1 hour). But the point there is that you are comparing the damage of 1 projectile, and tack has 32, so ofc still more dps
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
Yeah that was my bad!!
@TheoYager
4 ай бұрын
Great video man
@jasonchiu272
3 ай бұрын
There's one thing that I don't think many people will think of in the first place. Carrier flag ship can buff temples in water by 18%. However, I do not know if that is more worth it than the paragon monkey knowledge buff.
@Peter-nw9sg
2 ай бұрын
Me on my first date: "Did you know that for late game runs, the paragon apex plasma master from the game bloons tower defense 6 is not as good as the majority of people would think because its damage depends greatly on walls and the maps that are usually used on late game runs don't have good wall setups for him to maximize its damage output?"
@charliecharlotte360
8 ай бұрын
Algorithm comment for blud :)
@samukinhav0836
8 ай бұрын
No, for late game flying fortress isn't worth, in earlier rounds it can actually finish bad faster than 100 degre ace + bucanner buff but on later rounds (like 200+) it can't even beat the bad, what ace do pretty quickly
@lucy4155
8 ай бұрын
would you ever consider doing a tier-list that does not include paragons for people who arent as far into the game… cuz i wanna know what towers are good instead of dismissing them as sacrifices
@skeptikmavi6743
9 ай бұрын
Moab elliminater elliminated
@exero4515
3 ай бұрын
What’s a decent late game round?
@lordmonocr6206
9 ай бұрын
That post at 6:00 is really interesting. Huh. So the buffs that you can stack are actually way better to spam the sun avatars and fast attackers then other t5s? Wow that actually really interesting. So 5 shuriken ninja really is the superior tower. The cheapness is incredible thought if your that far late game I guess price doesn’t matter so just use sun avatars right?
@Experiment1987.5
4 ай бұрын
I got my first Highest Round that was above 200 on In The Loop, idk how but it was 270 (at the time)
@masterandexpert288
8 ай бұрын
It's such a shame how bad master bomber is. Even after two significant buffs.
@Lt_Koro
8 ай бұрын
well towers arent balanced for freeplay so...
@Jonaticanify
8 ай бұрын
how do you guys survive on chimps 98-100.. Somehow I always lose on hard maps
@kevinzhangatang
8 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on which towers are best when considering lag? Ie. Damage per processing power
@Kostte-zp6he
8 ай бұрын
do you think NK will do a hp scaling damage like high base and a little bit hp percentage.
@icenovice
4 ай бұрын
i don't care if it's clickbait; sexpert in s tier is peak clickbait.
@ohxci
9 ай бұрын
also i think total transformation and pmfc are a great combo together and bma litterally worse than pirate lord considering the cool down with energizer
@RedBadPoop
9 ай бұрын
Do a hero's tier list! should be quicker and easier to elaborate
@leegoillaleikkimisvideoita6896
9 ай бұрын
blooncineration has been good in my games
@Lt_Koro
8 ай бұрын
what blooncin is good at isnt an issue in easy mode freeplay so its not worth it
@danielfazylov6960
8 ай бұрын
Hey quick question isnt it worth getting moab shove for stalling or is it not that good
@Lt_Koro
8 ай бұрын
its pretty much garbage. heli takes up so much space and moab shove is such a weak stall that it just wastes space
@20Itachi_Uchiha05
9 ай бұрын
ever thought about a collab with makan rules?
@ivipower1273
4 ай бұрын
so... whats the difference between a tier 91 paragon and a tier 100? i dont get it? why tiers 91?
@MasterlyRex8789
4 ай бұрын
Tier 91 is the max you can get in single player for most paragon except dart paragon which you could get a little higher without Geraldo. Adora, Ezili, or Brickwell is much more useful than Geraldo for ultra late game so 91 is the max for most paragons.
@ivipower1273
4 ай бұрын
@@MasterlyRex8789 yh, but i mean, does it make a difference in power? couldnt you make p2 alt with geraldo just for totems? then spam give money?
@heatran4109
4 ай бұрын
@@ivipower1273 lategame is laggy enough in singleplayer, if it was in multiplayer it would most likely break before any really high rounds could be reached
@dclikemtndew
8 ай бұрын
I would argue blooncineration is worth having if you have the space, as any tower that increases its damage with hp scaling is a good thing to have late game, even if its only bfb and lower.
@Lt_Koro
8 ай бұрын
no. defortifying BFBs and below is worthless. if it would work on ZOMGs then yes it would be worth to some degree, but as it is its a waste of space
@ryanbreitling8419
9 ай бұрын
I was surprised you didn’t put spirit of the forest in early game
@iwersonsch5131
9 ай бұрын
That math for the tack zone doesn't check out - did you mix it up by a factor 10? Of course, the tack zone will be more affected by attack speed buffs than the moab elim so that balances out again
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
Yeah ok makes sense I figured I messed up somewhere lol... oops my bad 💀
@guardiantree8879
8 ай бұрын
Sub commander deserves moving up, what else are you going to place in water?
@Lt_Koro
8 ай бұрын
temples. ice platforms to make the water land and then place literally anything on there which will deal way more damage than sub commander
@DemiCape
9 ай бұрын
Legend of the night In my opinion would be b tier, does decent damage by himself, but the portal ability can help you out surviving a few extra rounds.
@MasterlyRex8789
Ай бұрын
Nah you would never use a LOTN over a VTSG. VTSG will get you much further than TSG + LOTN.
@ohxci
9 ай бұрын
yeah i think grand sabo and legend of the night are s teir late game cards tf are you on about?
@ThePresnece
4 ай бұрын
Ninja paragon has 100% uptime of grand sabotage debuff so its not necessary, and legend of the night is not good as it makes you not able to get VTSG
@kiwiAnimator-c2w
9 ай бұрын
502 ninja monkey sucks late game 250 druid did 10 mil when I went to 160 something and ninja was there the whole game yet it only did 300k so ninja monkey just sucks btw I placed the druid around round 80
@somthingrandom312
9 ай бұрын
502 and even 402 ninjas are way better than 250 druid when they are max buffed and with debuffs. They made r400 possible in chimps after support temple bug fix
@kiwiAnimator-c2w
9 ай бұрын
K cus I went a bit late game and I buffed the ninja with geraldo whenever I needed him and I even had Shinobi and 2 5 0 village but it did absolutely nothing to the bads while getting a measly 2k pops per sec while my druid was getting around 6k pops also the mad was getting 15k per sec lol Anyway this was on hard freeplay soooo just saying that my extremly buffed ninja was doing absolutely nothing to the bads and ddts and this was like 3 days ago soooo
@somthingrandom312
9 ай бұрын
@user-kn5ln5vz3k Your ninja was not extremely buffed if it did not have 20 shinobi stack. On my chimps lategame run t4 jitsus have 300-440 mil pops each
@kiwiAnimator-c2w
9 ай бұрын
Also pointing out I had an ultra buffed mad and I only had like 9 Shinobi but I went to go test it out rn on cubism btw the map I played and it still did around like 2 mil.max pops I also had a bunch of other.stuff in my actual run that might have been stealing the Pops
@ThePresnece
8 ай бұрын
Superstorm should be higher
@marilatte539
9 ай бұрын
I don't know how you end up with tack zone dealing more damage after an hour, the DPS stays the same no matter how much time passes, you just multiply by 60 here. The actual tack zone damage/h should be 563,380.28 You are still correct that the tack zone does more damage in total because obviously 18 million is still 9 times the elim damage. Just wanted to point this out, so no offense. Great video otherwise!
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
Yeah! I mixed up my numbers some other people also pointed out. No worries! Just happened to make a mistake :) thanks for letting me know!
@marilatte539
9 ай бұрын
@@TKRaxzor my bad for not noticing that I only looked at the first few comments
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
@marilatte539 no worries :)
@trollkachunikolaidis1280
2 ай бұрын
How is Grand sabo not in S 😭
@zombeeCAL
9 ай бұрын
that thumbnail is WILD 😭😭
@btdoverclock
9 ай бұрын
An actually good tier list
@coolitten4937
9 ай бұрын
where's mackanrule?
@themanwiththeplan676
9 ай бұрын
Very educational.
@EternalFluffmeister
9 ай бұрын
i like the video as it does not contradict with what you do on your late game videos but i disagree with the placement of some towers tho it’s probably due to me not using them when they are god boosted (mostly lacking ultraboost and permabrew) and differencein goals in late game. my current goal is to make a save that is future paragon proof where i have enough pops for all towers such that when they get a paragon, i could buy them easily. my thoughts on the hotly debated towers and (5xx,x5x) beast handlers are that they are useful at rounds that are not full of BADs. they become towers that catch moabs that slip through your DPS towers at higher rounds. what are your thoughts on using one of engi paragon’s subtowers as door gunner. i think it’s the red one that deals a lot of damage.
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
Yeah I feel like it's usually depending on the map as well and placement. Some just naturally excel more while towers don't. I think door gunner actually seems interesting as well and wouldn't write it off completely too!
@johndave8017
9 ай бұрын
Door gunner is optimally used with a 401 ice on pursuit for global +1 damage@@TKRaxzor
@Lt_Koro
9 ай бұрын
doorgunner isnt worth it. heli takes up a LOT of space so you are either doing something wrong if you get it or are effectivly scamming yourself if you build around having one.
@johndave8017
9 ай бұрын
@@Lt_Koro I know it takes a lot of space, but having an additional +1 global damage debuff is really good. It is worth the space.
@samukinhav0836
9 ай бұрын
Flying Fortress: if you already gonna scrap enginner buff for overclock a 20x FF + pther buffs ofc. Does more damage than acy paragon lvl 100 (but it was with no MK i think so it depends)
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
Yeah I think I need to test further the FF with the new monkey knowledge. Need to be sure!
@johndave8017
9 ай бұрын
flying fortress does not deal more than 20% of the damage of ace paragon lol
@Lt_Koro
9 ай бұрын
@@johndave8017 it might. big plane is pretty crazy. wasnt a top tier freeplay tower before the MK for no reason.
@johndave8017
9 ай бұрын
yeah but ace paragon does so much damage@@Lt_Koro
@samukinhav0836
9 ай бұрын
yeah, but i'm talking about a 10x overclocked + alqui buffs + village buffs@@johndave8017
@-Woodstock-Lastrussysux
9 ай бұрын
How do you use 5-0-0 ice
@user-ox4ii2bw6x
9 ай бұрын
IMHO it would be fair to include XXXL trap if you include BMA, as BMA should always be included and while BMA is overall the best tower in lategame runs, can still miss on a DDT, while XXXL doesn't, and scales just as well as BMA for ZOMGs and below.
@Camden-tx1cb
2 ай бұрын
I can’t even get to 200 my max is round 183
@NeoNickz
9 ай бұрын
i wish i saw this after i got to round 301 and gave up lol
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
Honestly - I think most people can go late! Just don't know if people have time to do it because the rounds take so long and the lag is too intense lol
@NeoNickz
9 ай бұрын
@@TKRaxzor yeah that game took me HOURS to play, and i was microing most of the time too lol
@Quadritzel
9 ай бұрын
bloons td 5
@DrewBoivie
9 ай бұрын
Maybe I just missed it, but I didn't notice this video defining "late game"...at least early on. I sorta had to figure out what that meant as the video went on. And apparently it means REALLY late game. Not 80-100. Not even post 100 but still Boss range. This is more like a "going for personal best highest round possible" tier list. For that, most of the placements are hard to argue. Personally, I don't do much ultra high round gameplay myself, but I could see this being useful to someone who was just getting into it.
@TKRaxzor
9 ай бұрын
Sorry about that! Yes, I am referring to late as in 300+ rounds sort of late
@Bookswinters
8 ай бұрын
Yeah I approached the video thinking rounds 80-100 and double taked when i saw sky shredder bottom teir
@owenjones4319
8 ай бұрын
Blooncin is so low, the fact that it removes the fortified layer of balloons is ridiculously strong. Cutting down health of late game balloons by half is incredible.
@daciannation5847
8 ай бұрын
Fortified bfbs are literally never an issue in late game
@SenyiKimmo
8 ай бұрын
If it could affect ZOMGs that would be another story, but it only affects DDTs and BFBs
@michaliskyriazidis1844
7 ай бұрын
Bez does more damage when buffed than MAD, especially considering bez has target independent vs MAD that needs target and ability micro
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