"Toby said they are connected in terms of time" *shows a document where he says nothing of the sort whatsoever*
@MrCanKnotNot
2 ай бұрын
Well Toby said as a sequel meaning direct connection and existence within the time frame of either game but fair point
@jeremysmith2564
Ай бұрын
Everything about this video is wonderful! The editing is awesome and the vid generally makes me feel nostalgic. I have to say that one criticism I’d like to offer is that you seem quite dead in your voice. I think you need more energy in speech but that would be it.
@MrCanKnotNot
Күн бұрын
Yup, this video took months to make but I definitely see it and will work on it for future uploads! and thanks for watching it through
@Joblerone
Ай бұрын
6:30 you say that undyne and alphys haven't met in neutral and genocide, but you must not have paid attention, because even in geno, Undyne and Alphys have a relationship that predates Frisk falling - Undyne only has her particular conceptions about Anime being Real because she and Alphys were close and watched "human history" together. That happens regardless of the route you take, long before Frisk ever gets there, so even on its face, you can't knit DR and UT together like this. In fact, the first hints we get about the major divergences between UT and DR started, for most of us, with just how different Alphys and Undyne's relationship is, with Undyne not even knowing Alphys' name simply not being possible in a UT timeline, at least not as far as Frisk's involvement with the underground is concerned. Though, it is still amusing that Alphys is finally getting to lust after Asgore now that he's single, and she seems to be pulling the same moves she put on Undyne in UT on Asgore now, since she's sharing both comics and anime with him just like she shared those with Undyne in UT. I am in support of horny dinosaur getting her widower, even if there's no way in hell Asgore would reciprocate what with the Toriel on the brain.
@MrCanKnotNot
Ай бұрын
@Joblerone see I did a failed geno route and yes there is history the connection isn't as strong to the point it takes driving the relationship in pacifist to actually push them into it otherwise it's not acted upon which is what I refer to because papyrus is familiar with alphys and the only character that isn't really "known" of in UT is toriel and I doubt law enforcement wouldn't be aware of who is on the school board as teachers. So yes their relationship alone can't be used to stated that they are connected but even then the parallels still persist including alphys being smarter and Undyne being a guard of sorts which I do mention later. But only time will tell, was right about toriel though, and the theories are confirmed
@GodChaos333
2 ай бұрын
I like your style of presentation. It would be interesting if your thoughts on gaster is correct. I hope the endgame of deltarune gets crazy
@MrCanKnotNot
2 ай бұрын
I am sure they will did you see the leaks ?
@GodChaos333
2 ай бұрын
@@MrCanKnotNot there is leaks? No i have not. What were they? Maybe make a vid on it. The last news letter killed my hype because it sounded like chapter 3 and 4 isn't until 2025 or so. If things are as far away as toby said.
@MrCanKnotNot
Ай бұрын
@GodChaos333 I haven't seen any dates but toriel is confirmed to be in the dark world
@sahilhossian8212
Ай бұрын
Lore of The Ultimate Undertale & Deltarune Theory momentum 100
@MrCanKnotNot
Ай бұрын
Toriel's dark world sprite was leaked! Now just to wait and see what comes of it!
@whocaresaboutthename6850
Ай бұрын
I recommend calling Kris a they, even if i myself think they aren't specifically Non-binary and don't have any actual canon gender, people still get rlly mad over calling them a he, so watch out
@MrCanKnotNot
Ай бұрын
Well, I appreciate the call out, at the end of the day, more times than not, people still call Frisk and Chara female due to the presentation. And I'm not seeing to much fuss over that for information we don't have it's left to interpretation such as is "Gaster the mystery man?"
@whocaresaboutthename6850
Ай бұрын
@@MrCanKnotNot Well, that's bc Kris is their own person (so are Frisk and Chara as we know thanks to the Localization Book, but i don't think people even know or care) so therefore we can't choose their gender but according to the Localization Book, The ghosts, Monster Kid and Onionsan (all charecters who go by They/Them in-game) while obv being their own people we can still choose their gender, it's left for interpretation, even Frisk (it dosen't mention Chara so we don't know, but probably the same case as well). People also say that Toby "corrected" one of the dads in the 6th Anniversary Stream, when in reality he never did, one of the dads just called Kris a He, Toby just said the same thing but calling Kris a they as he would do anyways, but people say that it was him correcting the dad, even tho it was clearly just them bantering.
@MrCanKnotNot
Ай бұрын
@@whocaresaboutthename6850 the localization book? If I remember correctly frisk in the Japanese version is more referred to in the female specific wording or there was something specific about frisk. Yes Kris is confirmed to be independent from the player same with frisk but Toby using they doesn't mean anything as leaving the player character vague isn't uncommon and also leave it to interpretation. Ontop of this they and them can also be used to refer to men and women a like without needing to used the masculine or feminine descriptors over and over again. Though I believe in undertale Chara specifically is noted as female in the records if memory serves me right
@whocaresaboutthename6850
Ай бұрын
@@MrCanKnotNot Again, i agree, but the Delta Community gets mad at it
@folfus
Ай бұрын
Freaking crystal gen
@TheSkyGuy77
2 ай бұрын
A lot of assumptions, but still a fascinating story
@MrCanKnotNot
2 ай бұрын
Yeah I'm still newer to the community, so I am curious to hear your thoughts on it
@FezzBunny973
27 күн бұрын
idk if someone already comment this but the whole story Gaster part was a little confusing, like why did Gaster have a brother? why did you even talk about his family? is he even in the underground? and Gaster never really 'fight back' against the player it actually quite the opposite (at least to me), the only time Gaster fight back was in DR ch1 when he discarded our vessel but that probably not even Gaster based on the text change, in any case still good video 👍
@MrCanKnotNot
Күн бұрын
Thanks, and to answer your questions 1, mentioning Gaster's brother ( or sister as reality 0 is still a concept through and through ) is due to the focus of the dreemur family and "The incident" which is paralleled in both games or seemingly in both games which is also why I mentioned his family as that is a core focus of both games and it is within this universe/multiverse which we can call the Runescape ( yes I know it is a game already but it just sounds to good to not be used as such XD ) 2, I would have to go back and look through the video but I believe you refer to me saying gaster is trying to fix reality but we the player are fighting against his effort and that we will likely fight gaster at the end of deltarune and thanks so much for watching and leaving the feedback it is much appreciated!
@frisk7382
Ай бұрын
I really like this video it’s very well done however the random SpongeBob running past in the back at the beginning threw me off for a second
@MrCanKnotNot
Ай бұрын
@frisk7382 yeah there was a lot going on before I found out how to have the camera only show me on screen
@frisk7382
Ай бұрын
@@MrCanKnotNot lmao it adds charm to the video I'm here for it
@crobisbobis
Ай бұрын
I don't think Deltarune has anything to do whit Undertale bar the Light World characters existing to make the transition for UT fans more seamless. Bar some characters crossing over both games [Gaster if its not a different Gaster, Sans and or Papurys] and thats it. We are following a different story whit different rules and worldbuilding. The connections are cool but they are entirely metatextual and risk destroying UTs completed narrative if we try to claim they follow one another. Suppose we play Genocide in Undertale and then DR is supposed to continue from that point... Suppose we play Genocide and that is supposed to be the ending for the DR characters and their story.. Undertales lore simply doesn't make sense if we consider it in the context of it being a Prequel/Sequel in a grander narrative.
@MrCanKnotNot
Ай бұрын
@crobisbobis so my theory isn't that they are a continuing timeline but rather 2 parallel timeliness that are trying to tell us there is more going on
@jollyjadentnt7963
4 күн бұрын
I mean I’d say they are definitely going to be connected as we are going to have Toriel (and possibly Undyne) the next chapter
@brastionskywarrior6951
Ай бұрын
Deltarune is not undertale 2. Undertale was deltarune’s test run as toby set out to make a manageable sized game before making the behemoth of deltarune
@MrCanKnotNot
Ай бұрын
Well, I never said it was a sequel but same univers regardless.
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