Might be a coincidence but its also interesting how many of the Ironborn names share suffixes with Valyrian names like “on”, “ion”, and “gon”. Ironborn names like Victarion, Balon, Aeron, Veron, and Dagon wouldn’t sound out of place on a Targ or Velaryon
@made-line7627
Жыл бұрын
Great point
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Ironborn were from a place in Essos that later would be in the Valyrian Freehold tbh.
@bebos1262
Жыл бұрын
Not only do those names not sound strange for a Valyrian to have, we literally have Targaryens having those names! Prince Baelon Targaryen, son of Jaeherys I, and of course Baelon, the Heir for a Day. Also, Aeron having an 'e' after the 'A' is very Valryian. Andals have variations of Valyrian names, for example, Daemon and Aerys. Only they spell it like "Damon" and "Arys", so Aeron, an Ironborn name looking very Valyrian is very interesting.
@TriuneWorshipper
Жыл бұрын
@@bebos1262 I always just assumed they adopted similar names after being conquered as a sort of way of showing allegiance similar to a marriage cementing a pact
@themediocremaster2388
Жыл бұрын
@@TriuneWorshipperokay, but what about the Ironborn would make you think they would do that? They haven’t even really adopted Andal names even with millennia of contact (raiding/trading/intermarriage), the Ironborn seem to be highly resistant to change
@mlawlor472
Жыл бұрын
This channel may be small, but it punches way above its weight class. Company of the Cat (COC) is just as insightful and interesting as the big-dogs; LML, Order of the Green Hand, Preston Jacobs, Joe Magician, etc. I look forward to more videos. I see many and more great things ahead in the fires, many and more!
@billberndtson
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! 😃
@jonhauge-evaldsson783
Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@swayback7375
9 ай бұрын
1 or 2 of them big dogs aren’t worth my time 🤷
@anoncat001
4 ай бұрын
@@swayback7375The first two?
@theduxabides9274
Жыл бұрын
Going off your "Andals come in threes" idea, I'd say the first wave reached Westeros during the Long Night and were responsible for the destruction of High Heart, leading to the Children breaking The Pact and unleashing the Song of Ice aka The Others.
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I think some Andals were in Westeros during the long night. Idk if they were the only ones that caused the long night, but I think they were involved enough for the thing to become worse.
@theduxabides9274
Жыл бұрын
@@CompanyOfTheCat I don't think the Others and the Long Night are synonymous; they're described as coming from out of the darkness, plus we only here of the Others specifically appearing in Westeros. I'd chalk the Long Night up to the creation of Dragons by the Bloodstone Emperor, which led to a magical/natural cataclysm that created the Shadowlands and destroyed the Empire. This led to the Night that lasted a generation, and the first wave of Andals likely arrived in Westeros to flee the Empire and it's subsequent collapse. The Others appearing as a result of the destruction of High Heart and the Andals actions is not mutually exclusive to the Long Night being the result of proto-Valyrian blood magic.
@swayback7375
9 ай бұрын
@@theduxabides9274the dragon has 3 heads! The incoming long night is likely another comet strike which could make a generation of dark which would be very cold. The others bring the extreme cold but they seem to require some cold to even exist, they are ice. So they’ll get free reign over the content right up to the sea but islands are safe from them… not safe from the sea tho. The five forts existence seems to indicate a similar situation once existed to the far north east of essos, a 1000 foot tall wall of seamless black stone… it was holding something in… not sure what, but there was clearly at least one long night before. It maybe the others were made in the far East and chased west, following the same path as men, all the way up to the far north in Westeros, breaking the arm of dorne to trap them in the west then another attempt at the neck which may have worked and then finally pushed the all the way up and to the very north, right along side the Thenns who are the most “pure” first men. I’m not sure but I think the long night ended slowly so the others weren’t able to fight in the south as it cleared up so once they were beaten back into the north I think there’s a chance the others built the wall to protect themselves from men until the dragons 3rd head makes the world cold and dark and they can surge thru the land in no time… the others are ice, we’re told they can do wild things with ice but haven’t seen it yet, but if you can make an ice spider and ride it then surely you can make a wall of ice. But that still doesn’t tell us anything about the creation of the others… it does seem like they were made by someone and in Westeros but who’s to say the children didn’t also live across essos? They could get stuck after the breaking too… or green men from essos came west fighting them 15000 years ago and somehow bred with another elder race to make the COTF… still lots of possibilities but there’s a whole of foreshadowing pointing to something like this having happened in the past
@jonhauge-evaldsson783
Жыл бұрын
The flooded cellars are interesting as well. There are a lot of signs of rising sea levels. Castle Pike, Moat Calin, Thousand Islands. It could have been caused by something sudden, like The Hammer of the Waters and the following braking of The Arm of Dorne, or a more gradual change. But in any case, it suggests that the castle of Driftmark is as old as the Dawn Age. The legend says they formed a pact with the Merling King. A pact is traditionally sealed with a marriage. So perhaps the first Velaryons married the daughter of the previous ruler of Driftmark, who called himself the Merling King. The Velaryons then took over his seat and sigil. Or maybe the first Velaryon married a squisher!
@thalmoragent9344
Жыл бұрын
So that's Driftmark and Oldtown now, with major Dawn-Age structures/castles built a long while back World just keeps getting more interesting, this is cool stuff
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
Merling King's daughter could be a Manderly daughter. Because if my math doesn't betray me, the Manderlys approximately left the Reach at the same time, and they have some similarities with them. And Manderlys are quite blond, the Merling King could be the sigil, something common in GRRM writing.
@jonhauge-evaldsson783
Жыл бұрын
@@CompanyOfTheCat I see the logic!
@swayback7375
9 ай бұрын
Merlings and squishers are definitely not the same thing! The merling king could totally be the manderly sigil thing, coukd also be an extinct and forgotten house. Either way those squishers aren’t down there all by themselves! I’m pretty sure the merlings are similar to our mermaid myths, fins and tales, but the squishers have been walking in land and literally farming men for food/sacrifice.
@jonhauge-evaldsson783
Жыл бұрын
Oh, my Gods! That is a big and interesting topic! About the ancestors of the Valaryons: They could be even older than Valyria. The Daynes and Hightowers for instance, have Valyrian looks but predates Valyria. They could even be from the Great Empire of the Dawn!
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
If I am not mistaken though they say that they are from Valyria, unlike the Daynes and the Velaryons that we know they aren't, despite their Valyrian characteristics. So, happy you people are enjoying the content!
@jonhauge-evaldsson783
Жыл бұрын
Yes, that is more reasonable. They do speak High Valyrian in their funeral rite in House of the Dragon. Perhaps their name is just a variation of Valyrians. It could be what the Westerosi called them. I have speculated that they are the decendents of the people who built the castle of Dragonstone. The island of Driftmark is much more fertile to sustend a big workforce. Perhaps the Valaryons were even dragonriders back then. They say the Targaryen dragons were bred for war, but perhaps the Velaryon dragons were bread for building castles and roads. Somehow, they lost their ability to bond with dragons, or their dragons died, perhaps in the Doom.
@magister343
Жыл бұрын
@@jonhauge-evaldsson783In Fire and Bloods the Maesters tell us that neither the Velaryons nor Celtigars were ever dragon riders before the Doom, but that comes from an unreliable narrator. We are told that the Velaryons and Targaryens were close allies before either family came to the Narrow Sea. We are not told how either got along with the Celtigars. I personally prefer to believe that the Celtigars were once powerful dragonlords and blood mages who build Dragonstone, but that the Velaryons were not. The Targaryens were definitely members of the Young Dragons faction, who only rose to the status of dragonlord during the wars with the Rhoynar. The Celtigars could have been of a much higher status thousands of years earlier, maybe even before the war with Ghis and the introduction of slavery to the Freehold. It is even possible that the Celtigars were among the blood mages who performed abominable experiments in Gogossos, and that the Targaryens were originally slaves whom they experimented upon in order to create hybrids whose literal dragon blood allowed them to better control their dragons.
@jonhauge-evaldsson783
Жыл бұрын
@@magister343 I like it!
@swayback7375
9 ай бұрын
Great information
@KitOfTheWeirdWoods
Жыл бұрын
I am just fascinated by the Velaryons, and their similarities to the Iron Born. Keep up the amazing content!
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, at this point I think I need to do a very serious deep dive on the Fisher Queens, because I think they are the foundation for all these religions and customs.
@KitOfTheWeirdWoods
Жыл бұрын
@@CompanyOfTheCat oooh yes, very intriguing!!
@jonhauge-evaldsson783
Жыл бұрын
The aquatic religion is super interesting! There are traces all over Westeros, not just among the Ironborn. It is in the legend of Durran Godsgrief, The Three Sisters, the Manderlys, and even the Tullys! We see it scattered all over the known world, The Fisher Queens and The Rhoynar, for example. This is, of course, linked to tales of aquatic humanoids that are also told all over Westeros and Essos. For example, squishers, merlings, mermaids, deep ones, sulkies. We also have strange places like The Thousand Islands and Toad Island on opposite sides of Essos.
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it seems like the early religions, first men religions included, bc they had a religion before the old gods, were aquatic. And I have in mind some things at least for the squishers and the artifacts in Yeen and the rest of Sothoryos.
@swayback7375
9 ай бұрын
Don’t forget Clarence Crab and all those “good dragon folk” living just up masseys hook… some wild stuff was goin on out there!
@mrittikmukherjee9324
Жыл бұрын
Wow, very interesting and fresh take. We shouldn't think valyrians as monolithic. Love it 🤩🤩
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
It kinda makes sense, doesn't it? They were a huge Empire, and there is no way all of them got together well, especially normal Valyrians with the Dragonlords.
@mrittikmukherjee9324
Жыл бұрын
@@CompanyOfTheCat absolutely and love the take on religious schism as well
@magister343
Жыл бұрын
@@CompanyOfTheCatWe are however explicitly told that the Velaryons were close allies with the Targaryens long before the Doom, before either family came to the Narrow Sea. That does not mean either house ever got along well with the Celtigars though. The Targaryens were the youngest and weakest of the 40 Families of Dragonlords, probably viewed by other Valyrian elites as no better than the Freys were by other Westerosi lords. The Celtigars could have been allies of much older and more powerful houses that were hostile towards the Targaryens and Velaryons.
@bundayeti
6 ай бұрын
@@CompanyOfTheCat Yeah, in most tv fantasy and sci-fi cultures are created as a monolith, and homogeneous. Whereas in real life there are differences between New Yorkers and Bostonians, even more so Texans or Californians. But that requires more brainpower to comprehend, and TV execs think catering to the lowest common denominator means we're all imbeciles. But if you look at the free cities, former daughters of Valyria, their cultural differences and similarities didn't sprout out from nothing.
@billberndtson
Жыл бұрын
I'm really loving this channel. 😃 I agree with M. Lawlor (adding In Deep Geek) with their comment and I hope to see some collaborations between some/all of you in the future! I feel you and LML would have a ton to talk about. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
@jonhauge-evaldsson783
Жыл бұрын
Second that!
@waltonsmith7210
Жыл бұрын
You think the Celtigars and Valaryons might have adapted the religious beliefs from the native Westerosi of their islands? There seems to be remnants of ancient aquatic religions all up and down the coasts.
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
That, I hadn't thought about it and it's very interesting. They came with a very advanced navy from the start if I got it right though. I find it more plausible for early people in Essos to have similar aquatic religions and people in Westeros that were on Islands without Weirwoods kept them. And Velaryons too had a similar religion from Essos.
@thalmoragent9344
Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting if House Velaryon and Celtigar ally with Daenerys once she arrives. Especially if the new, young Lord of the Tides bonds with one of her Dragons, like maybe Viserion. And Rhaegal with a Celtigar. Aegon had 3 Dragons just like Dany when he invaded Westeros, but unlike Dany, he had 2 other dragonriders. They're intelligent creatures but, unless she can tell Viserion "Go, Viserion, follow Grey Worm" and Viserion takes it upon himself to help out then... it would help to have an actual Dragonrider to help out. Would've been cool if Yara (or I guess Asha in the books, is what her name is?) And Theon had made an alliance with the Valeryons to perhaps bring their own fleet to prominence again.
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
They could side either with Aegon or Danny, I find it quite plausible actually. Pretty sure neither Velaryons nor Celtigars can bond dragons though. The only Velaryons that had dragonbond were half-Targaryens. GRRM also said it's safe to assume that Targaryens are the only dragonlords that survived the doom and the other two Valyrian houses seem way too connected with the sea tbh.
@magister343
Жыл бұрын
@@CompanyOfTheCat Actually there were several more dragonlords who survived the Doom, but perished early in the Century of Blood. The self-proclaimed Emperor Aurion is the most notable, but there were also many vacationing in Lys who were murdered in their beds. Dragonlords favored the sex slaves of Lys so much that most of that city's population probably has some blood of the dragon. If the claims are true that Addam and Alyn of Hull are in fact bastards of Coryls, then Addam is an example of a dragon riding Velaryon who was not half Targaryen. Coryls almost certainly had some Targaryen blood from generations earlier though. It extremely probable that he descends from a brother of Velaena Velaryon (the mother of Aegon the Conqueror), whose own mother was a Targaryen whose name is not recorded in Fire and Blood, although we cannot rule out the possibility that Velaena came from a cadet branch of the family or that Coryls came from a cadet branch that took over when the main line failed to produce a male heir. We are told that there were many intermarriages between Targaryen and Velaryon, going both ways, not just those recorded in that history. I believe it even said that the families had occasionally intermarried even before the Doom, whenever siblings of marriage age were unavailable. The Targaryen and Velaryon houses mixed so much that we would probably be better off viewing them as a single house with no significant genetic difference between them. I think Velaryons in the era after Aegon's Conquest should be as able to bond with dragons as easily as any Targaryens. I cannot say the same of the Celtigars, however. Celtigars tried to intermarry with Targaryens, but it seems they were always rejected. (My tinfoil hat headcanon is that the Celtigars were once dragonlords too, or maybe blood mages, and may have built Dragonstone, but that they lost control of their dragons well before the Targaryens came to the Narrow Sea. Cannibal is the last feral descendants of the dragons they can no longer control. They would have belonged to a different faction in old Valyria, one hostile towards upstart dragonlords like the Targaryens.)
@KingOfWinter
Жыл бұрын
I literally follow all things ASOIAF why have I don’t come across this channel before it’s awesome!! I’m going to binge all your videos right now!
@ScarlitWidow
Жыл бұрын
I love your videos about Westeros! Please keep doing them. Anyone else think COTC should have a Patreon or something of the like?
@nullia5766
Жыл бұрын
Wow, the Velaryon thing was always really weird, but connecting it with Iron Born is so great idea! Also could connect psychic powers that Iron Born have (look at Euron and maybe psychic connection with krakens) to Valyrians and their Dragons. Also, what do you think about that Drowned God, Merling king and the god of Sisters islands are variants of Old Gods? It is said that old gods are local gods of the rivers, trees, mountains etc so it would make sense to them being local sea gods on islands/shores
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
I'm very happy you liked the idea! 😊 I have talked about the drowned in my volcanic iron islands video, but in general, I don't believe there are deities per se. I believe that planetos has a magical source of power in its center and all the natural elements (volcanoes/fire, water, trees, etc.) work as mediums, this is why all religions have many common ideas. And deities are a way to explain things that humans cannot explain. I want to do videos on all religions at some point, so far I have talked about Garth & Trees and the drowned god.
@tonyantony6110
Жыл бұрын
The bear, the bear and the algorithm fair.
@gerrys374
Жыл бұрын
Damn, you put a lot of work in these
@spoofyr6014
Жыл бұрын
Love these videos keep it up!
@ratgirl34
Жыл бұрын
I have another question that may be interesting to cover. Why did Davos bring food during the siege of Stormsend? I feel like it would be interesting to explore his motivations.
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
I am always happy to explore my best boy, but I think it was completely his smuggler mind if am honest. If he was quite sure he can pass, he could have some serious privileges. As he had, because he was a HUGE help.
@ratgirl34
Жыл бұрын
@@CompanyOfTheCat Yeah, I guess I’m not as satisfied by that answer. I mean, it was Stannis he was going to help. I like Stannis and all, but I wouldn’t count on him not to kill me regardless if I were a smuggler. Plus, the fact that the question isn’t addressed in any way in the books, makes me think maybe it isn’t that simple an answer.
@xandermarley8552
Жыл бұрын
As far as the Velaryons go….Driftmark was a post on the far western borders of the Valyrian Empire. An argument can be made that their name “Velaryon” came about from Westerosi inhabitants just referring to them as Valyrians….
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
There is no indication that Driftmark was an outpost, it is stated that was their ancestral seat, that they built. Also, from the way it is discribed the architecture is not very Valyrian-like. About the names yes, easily could be Westerosi paraphrase of Valyrians.
@xandermarley8552
Жыл бұрын
@@CompanyOfTheCatI stand corrected….my apologies. Dragons tone was the border from what I’m reading now. Driftmark had history b4 the arrival of House Velaryon. The argument can be made that House Velaryon were just matiner traders from Valyria that settled the island. Not being dragonlords they comfortably settled in that new homeland.
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
@@xandermarley8552 I think this is how they became as comfortable and rich, but the whole story with the throne, the Isle and the Merling King, idk something is fishy (pun intended). Also, the whole salt is running though our veins and it's thick and it must not be mixed and fire is a prison. It's sounds like they were not on board with every thing the freehold was doing at the time. Idk
@xandermarley8552
Жыл бұрын
@@CompanyOfTheCat I agree with your synopsis about the Velaryons wanting know part of the blood magic pact resulting in “Taming the dragons” by that quotes statement. However it’s kind of contradictory when I see how many time intermarriage occurred amongst the 2 houses. It might be that power is difficult to turn away from. And I’m curious if the Merlin king has any ties to the iron islands and that culture. Love your channel. Keep up the excellent work. 👍💯
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
@@xandermarley8552 bro freaking ironborn. They're all over the place
@CJusticeHappen21
8 ай бұрын
Better to rule in Driftmark than serve in Valyria.
@afreyinthesnow9015
Жыл бұрын
Do You know what the coins in the heraldy of house Payne means?
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
Sadly, I don't have an idea about this. We do not know a lot about the house, I could try and dig something up, but I don't know if there is a lot of information about them.
@theduxabides9274
Жыл бұрын
6:19 *looks awkwardly at Rhaenyra hooking up with the deceased's husband and marrying him within days of the funeral*
@Jacaerys4life
Жыл бұрын
It was much closer to six months, not quite half a year, but it was a few months. Not days.
@theduxabides9274
Жыл бұрын
@@Jacaerys4life And it's still described as scandalous in the book Fire and Blood, the show just makes it that much worse than it already was
@magister343
Жыл бұрын
I think it may be worth noting that it is said the Velaryons were close allies with the Targaryens even before either family moved to the Narrow Sea, but nothing like that is said of the Celtigars. It seems to me that relations between the Targaryens and Celtigars were never great, as one of Aegon the Conqueror's first actions was to take lands away from house Celtigar and the Celtigars defied his wishes by continuing to try to collect taxes from the people of Crackclaw Pointe. It is also stated that all of the great lords of Westeros have powerful vassals who were once independent rulers. who still resent their subjugation, and would like to usurp their overlords if given the chance. The Boltons are this in the North, the Yronwoods in Dorne, and the Reyenes were this in the Westerlands. I like to imagine that the Celtigars fill this role in the Crownlands and in the Narrow Sea before the Conquest. In my headcanon, the Celtigars were once dragonlords or bloodmages of a higher status than the Targaryens. Perhaps they were of the Sphinx faction, or Older Dragons who rose to power in the ward with Ghis, while the Targaryens were definitely Young Dragons who only rose to power during the wars with the Rhoynar. It could be that the Celtigars fled west specifically because their lands in the freehold had been taken from them by the upstart Targaryens. Maybe the Velaryons were sent by the Targaryens to keep an eye on them. I like to think that the Celtigars may have even been the ones to build Dragonstone, but that over the generations they lost control of their dragons (perhaps due to interbreeding with non Valyrians, or to depending too much on magic horns to compel obedience instead of fostering a close personal relationship with their dragons) and were forced to flee. I like to think that the smallfolk are right that Cannibal lived on the isle before the Targaryens came, because he was the last feral descendant of the dragons that were brought there by the Celtigars.
@CompanyOfTheCat
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Celtigars are a weird anomaly as far as Valyrian Houses go. I like to think of them as an ancient, very rich, seafaring, and powerful family from Valyria, that lost power over there because of the rise of the Dragonlords. The area is a perfect place for traders and seafarers etc etc, and without dragons for sure the area's top dogs were people that were good traders and ship owners.
@vaijim5962
Жыл бұрын
Where is Tony? Never mind... the Bear the Bear!
@sarkis_in_a_state
Жыл бұрын
When did the first men came? Surely prior to the long night,
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