The 2000s was arguably the decade of the 10 cylinder engine: Dodge had their V10 powered Viper since 1989 and they even stuffed a Viper V10 into the Ram pickup truck, Lamborghini and Audi jointly developed a V10 to be used in the Gallardo (later Huracan) and R8 supercars respectively with Audi even stuffing that V10 into sedans and even wagons. BMW, being heavily involved in Formula 1 at the time, also put a V10 in their M5 sedan and wagon. Porsche took their V10 that they had developed for motorsports in the 90s and put into a road car: the Carrera GT. A car considered to be one of the best sounding cars of all time but also one of the most difficult cars to drive (which we sadly found out the hard way in 2013). Toyota, also being involved in Formula 1 during this time, was developing a V10 around this time with Yamaha which made it's way into the Lexus LFA: a car which many consider to be THE best sounding car of all time. And of course, there was the 3 litre era of Formula 1 that lead to arguably the best sounding era of the sport with all the teams opting for V10s over V12s and V8s. Yes, the decade saw plenty of V12s, V8s (naturally aspirated or otherwise) and so many other different configurations of engines but we never had so many V10s before or after since. I miss those days.
@exothermal.sprocket
11 ай бұрын
Don't forget the Ford Triton V10 in their commercial line.
@Spectrolite1
11 ай бұрын
Yes.. make V10 great again, McLaren did that with Solus
@ImInLoveWithBulla
11 ай бұрын
I will admit that the teams opted for V10s. But the V12s sounded much better. More melodic.
@jamesgeorge4874
9 ай бұрын
@@ImInLoveWithBullaA V12 makes beautiful, harmonious sounds, a V10 makes shrieking wookie murder sounds, It sounds scary, dissonant, resonant, and violent. Just my opinion.
@LandonClimbs
11 ай бұрын
When i was in highschool in 2010 i discovered the vr6 and thought it was the coolest sounding engine to ever exist. It does have a bery unique sound
@noduh736
11 ай бұрын
Ya its definitely one of the best and unique
@mohammadsattar5488
11 ай бұрын
It really is one of the bery bery vest 😂😂
@LandonClimbs
11 ай бұрын
@@mohammadsattar5488 lol whoopsy
@rivahoff
11 ай бұрын
Still one of my favorite engine configurations, I'd always choose a VR instead of an inline.
@mozeskertesz6398
11 ай бұрын
It sounds nice, but the rear bank constantly cooked itself.
@Specproof
11 ай бұрын
As an ex- Golf VR5 owner, the story of W10 is wildly cool!
@KlodFather
7 ай бұрын
That thing would probably split the gearbox of a jetta or golf, but it would be one hell of a ride while I lasted LOL AWD would make sure all that power made it to the ground. If the driver had capable hands and big balls, that would make for one hell of a fun ride ha ha
@Specproof
7 ай бұрын
@@KlodFather It sure will! I also had some gearbox issues with the VR5
@KlodFather
7 ай бұрын
@@Specproof - YOu drive... I'll ride shotgun. I brought an extra pair of underware for both of us LOL
@fadedsoul23
11 ай бұрын
I wish VW also made a VR2, a modern take on Lancia’s VR4, a VR 8 (half of a W16), a W4 (two of those VR2s), VR7s, W14s, VR9s, W18s, VR10s, and finally W20s. Why? Because engineering and the ability to be modular to an extent. Maybe I’ll have to take on these as engineering projects one day and make a modular VR/W engine family
@hugobloemers4425
11 ай бұрын
It would be cool if that could be fitted in a Saab 96 as well. (The Lancia V4 was in the race with the Ford V4 to become the Saab 96 OEM engine).
@fadedsoul23
11 ай бұрын
@@hugobloemers4425 I’d have to look at the engine mount locations if I ever follow through with this
@fry.master
11 ай бұрын
all of the vr engines are terrible designs for anything other than packaging. rod to stroke ratio/angles are trash, exhaust heat from the front bank goes directly into the bank adjacent, the head also doesn’t flow equally across all cylinders.
@gabrielv.4358
9 ай бұрын
Engines with less than 3 cylinders sound tired and boring, so no deal... See a video of the Fiat 500 2 cylinder. That little thing screaming for his life at 6000 rpm's and it sounds like its at 3000....
@Whyteeford
11 ай бұрын
Formerly a proud owner of a 2001 GTI VR6...I've heard them with many different exhaust systems...but the Remus exhaust REALLY brings out the sound. Perfect blend of low end rumble, and not annoyingly loud on the high-end
@nopadelik9286
11 ай бұрын
Great video ! You ALWAYS teach me some engine knowledge that is new to me, and, even better, VERY interesting and inspiring .. so there is a 10-cylinder version of the VR engine concept, created by putting two VR5 in a classic V-engine layout, whoaa, just lovely, that's what a gearhead's wet dreams are made of 😍😆😅 ... you didn't mention it a single time in the video, but i know you're completely aware of the enormous potential in the VR concept that can easily be unleashed with some - or even better - much boost. VR5 and VR6 both are capable of doing 400-500 hp for many years/ hundredthousands of kilometres if it's done right. Now let that sink in and think again about that 10-cylinder engine 😳😳😮🦾
@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311
11 ай бұрын
I m sure I m not the only one to comment on the outstanding graphic for the VW W10 working. The accompanying soundtrack, in sync with the "cartoon", that unique, beguiling and unmistakable ten cylinder sound, did seem to have the character and quality of a W10 - although I couldn't describe exactly what that was and how it differs from a V10. Somehow "lumpier" - yet weirdly smoother - at the same time. If indeed it is the real McCoy, an actual recording of one of the three ever made, that is remarkable!❤
@kasuraga
11 ай бұрын
That's actually a simulation program that can reproduce the sound an engine would make based off the actual physics iirc
@Mu4dD1b15
11 ай бұрын
@kasuraga yup. The guy who made it has a KZitem channel. It's called Ange the great.
@Jay_Speed
11 ай бұрын
Exellent review about the history of the VR engines.
@ExaltedDuck
11 ай бұрын
fascinating. After that pic floated around recently of the W-10 block with all the "what the heck is that" kinds of comments, it's great to get some info on the history. It's too bad everyone's going to small displacement low-cylinder-count turbo engine these days. An Atlas Cross Sport or a re-introduction of Passat, CC, or Phaeton featuring a W-8, -10, or -12 would definitely have my interest. Especially if they mount it longitudinally to drive the rear wheels primarily.
@CyanRooper
11 ай бұрын
The 2000s had to have been the best decade for naturally aspirated engines: the Volkswagen Auto Group had their VR6s and W8s and W12s and they also had V10s of which some were stuffed into sedans and even wagons. Porsche had their V10 powered Carrera GT while Yamaha was developing the Lexus LFA V10 during this time and of course, there was the V10 powered Dodge Viper. Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Mercedes Benz etc all had V12 powered supercars or grand tourers and there were V8s made by every manufacturer in every part of the globe. Even the V6s were for the most part naturally aspirated unlike nowadays where they are all turbocharged for emissions and fuel economy related reasons. We'll never experience this kind of variety ever again. But man, what a time it was to experience!
@fadedsoul23
11 ай бұрын
@@CyanRooperif we can get the government to open their eyes to alternative fuels and hybrids, maybe we can experience variety like that again! And maybe even have other wacky engines produced like opposed piston engines (like the Cummins ACE), H engines (two flat engines on top of each other), W engines (three, four, and five bank), X engines (two V engines laid flat kinda like this: >
@CyanRooper
11 ай бұрын
@@fadedsoul23 I hope so, brother. I hope so.
@NoCantsAllowed
11 ай бұрын
Ohhh... that tone! It sounds FANTASTIC!
@davidpeters6536
11 ай бұрын
That's quite a story Visio. The VRs really do make a wonderful noise. Thanks, great video.
@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13
11 ай бұрын
I've long been surprised more VR engines haven't found their way into motorcycles... I'm sure there's an engineering reason that I've missed, or misunderstood, but a VR configuration in a big cruiser frame could squeeze a lot of explosions into the limited space.
@vvevvevvvv
11 ай бұрын
Try to Google Horex vr6
@snapcountersteer
9 ай бұрын
Horex VR6 mate
@michaelfrench3396
11 ай бұрын
That w10 sound clip is amazing!! I don't usually care so much about exhaust notes. But that thing just sounds cool. When I heard it. First thing I thought of was a guy trying to make car revving noises with a vibrator up his butt
@fadedsoul23
11 ай бұрын
Some guy bought the block and he’s gonna rebuild it eventually. I wanna get a scan of the block, crankshaft, and cams from him so I can one day make billet versions of them to sell
@oscarzt1652
11 ай бұрын
oh my days an E39 M5 with a 500hp volkswagen W10? what an incredible combination; i must have a go
@shadowred1980
11 ай бұрын
Superb stuff, this is the first time I have heard about this engine. Looking forward to which ever engine you feature next. :)
@Hydrogenblonde
11 ай бұрын
Another incredibly informative video!
@danielmarshall4587
11 ай бұрын
WOW...... that's glorious, and a lovely vid cheers.
@SuperRede4u
11 ай бұрын
A couple of things IMO. a) I'd almost put money on the engine being in a BMW was for the engineering team to hide it from their own bosses. Alot of these engines were being developed from within the engineering department without official sign off from the bean counters. This was costing VW huge amounts of money and to say that the bean counters weren't happy with the situation is a understatement. b) Although these engines (I'm referring to the W12 for this comment) were exquisite and jewel like from a engineering perspective which I admire. In real life car owners were saddled with unbelievable maintenance expectations. For example if you owned a VW Phaeton with the W12 the factory maintenance on the valve train components called for complete replacement of the entire system in some un godly low kilometres on a regular basis. Which costs mega bucks. It's no wonder that these Phaetons change hands so often. They also had a multitude of issues unrelated to the engine.
@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311
11 ай бұрын
Your notion of it being a secret skunkworks project by the engineers is intriguing and could even be true, although you cite no sources. As for the various comments about the twelve cylinder Phaeton, the overall reliability of that car was indeed not great although I believe that that is at least partly an expression of resentment by owners who have neglected to provide their cars the proper specialist maintenance. Regarding the valvetrain, I don't think you were making it up - nor setting out to mislead or besmirch that aspect of the W12 - but I don't believe your contention. I worked for VAG over a nearly 19 year time scale covering the period of development of the W12 and its introduction initially in concept cars like the VW Nardo and Audi Avus. I may be wrong about the latter - Audi did several like the Rosemeyer which I think on reflection were V12. Perhaps more relevant however was the appearance of production cars in my time there featuring the engine which, by my departure was by no means limited to the Phaeton. From memory it had certainly become an option in the Audi A8 and, although not directly in my purview, various Bentleys. Whilst, of course, it was never something frequently encountered in the manner of the 1.9TDi - enough have been made, over a sufficiently long time to form an accurate picture of their performance in the sense not just of tractive effort (and it's effect on acceleration and top speed), but also its accoustics, "feel", fuel consumption, emissions, serviceability, reliability and longevity. At no point have I ever heard the issue of which you speak. The valvetrain is in fact as robust and durable as any other VW engine, that is to say: "very".
@LarryNgetich
9 ай бұрын
VW before the emissions scandal were mental with their engineering, and addicted to W. I remember them sticking a W12 in a Golf where the rear seats should be.
@gabrielv.4358
9 ай бұрын
Wasnt it a Polo or Lupo?
@Armi1P
6 ай бұрын
I wish the VR layout was more popular, it only has few drawbacks but is extremely compact. Even a VR8 would fit in the same space an I6 does, without the added complexity of a V8.
@5naxalotl
10 ай бұрын
delightful sound
@Mephistopholies
11 ай бұрын
WOW subject! Good show!
@magellanicspaceclouds
11 ай бұрын
Leave it to Volkswagen to come up with crazy engines! 😆
@stanislavczebinski994
11 ай бұрын
VR6 stands AFAIK for V-Reihenmotor (inline v-engine), 6 Zylinder. It's an inline and a v-engine at the same time. Power output of the first generation (sold as VR6) was 174PS for the 2.8L and 190PS for the 2.9L respectively here in Germany. Yes - it sounds great. But it's engine management system was already outdated when new. It constantly runs rich and the timing chain is a pain in the a**. To sell them in the mk3 Golf they even de-tuned the (IMO superior) 2.0L 150PS ABF engine. Albeit the strongest 4-cyl. n/a engine they ever made - with the famous Garlock chip they did ~165PS on an otherwise stock engine. When you spend a little more you can easily get to 200PS and over. The VR6 (and later V6/R32/R36) is a tuner's favorite - but it has it's limitations. Especially in light cars like Golf mk1 - mk3, handling suffers dramatically from the massive lump hanging in front of the front axle. For driving performance, the 1.8T or the ABF are better choices.
@gabrielv.4358
9 ай бұрын
You mean the VW AP?
@stanislavczebinski994
9 ай бұрын
@@gabrielv.4358 Sorry - what do you mean?
@jamesgeorge4874
9 ай бұрын
the sound would be glorious, No doubt.
@c.a.r.s.carsandrelevantspecs
11 ай бұрын
Very cool! Thanks for this great video! 😎
@TheSlowDude
11 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for this one :-)
@Grover91
11 ай бұрын
If the pwrson who buys that M5 doesn't at least record the engine note for us all to hear, I'll be extremely pissed off.🤣
@scottdoleac5651
11 ай бұрын
God I love the sound of ten cylinders
@fidelcatsro6948
11 ай бұрын
Eureka! 💥Im going to name my cat "Verkurzt" 🐱👍🏿
@quartzcyanis
11 ай бұрын
god... just thinking of a v10 with a vr5 warble has me drooling...
@ramadhanisme7
11 ай бұрын
Nice sounding w10
@paulfranks9760
11 ай бұрын
Great find ,thank you
@GModBMXer
11 ай бұрын
2 vr6s attached together for a v12 option sounds musical
@christian_urocar
11 ай бұрын
Isn’t that w12?
@Aleiza_49
11 ай бұрын
@@christian_urocaryeah, two VRs put together make a W. VR6 + VR6 = W12
@christian_urocar
11 ай бұрын
@@Aleiza_49 ok that’s what I thought because I own one, but I haven’t modified the exhaust yet .
@darchandarchan7036
11 ай бұрын
i will just remind you that corporates want to replace these mechanical masterpieces with a metal shaft rotated by magnets
@mmllmmll22
11 ай бұрын
I remember that there were forklifts with vr6 that made ~80hp.
@VisioRacer
11 ай бұрын
Yes
@acefighterpilot
11 ай бұрын
Weren't they natural gas powered?
@vvevvevvvv
11 ай бұрын
@@acefighterpilot probably
@tonic8945
10 ай бұрын
Lancia had a vr4 back in the 60s
@MattBrownbill
11 ай бұрын
As people have already said, amazing engineering, just not very practical in the larger number cylinder versions. V5 is probably the engine I would favour the most.
@wickiezulu
11 ай бұрын
Is it true both Volkswagen's VR and W engines carried over quite a bit from the modular EA827/EA113 engines?
@terramatela6351
3 ай бұрын
We need to hear the actual car and get a tear down to see what it's actually made of
@hyper8545
11 ай бұрын
If only VAG had the balls to use the VR6 in vw audi with boost turbo or supercharger instead of the sht v6
@Rose_Butterfly98
7 ай бұрын
It's secret? I thought they once said they were going to put it in the phaeton or something but apparently jamming 2 vr5s together wasn't the best idea lol
@playgt326
11 ай бұрын
Pambuffetti 😍 (new brand) must uses this engine in their future hypercars 🥵, a hypercar with a W10 engine (mild hybrid or EICE (Efficient Internal Combustion Engine) 🙏🏻) made by Pambuffetti wil be amazing 😋😋🏎️. Even Dodge could make that with a possible new viper's generation (mild hybrid minimum 🤏🏻)😍😍😍.
@TundeEszlari
11 ай бұрын
Super video, keep it up.
@Flies2FLL
11 ай бұрын
WHERE! Where do you get this? I have been searching this for years and haven't found it online. I want you to site your sources and SHOW me the links! -I knew that VAG did this, a double V5, but could NOT source it. Now where did you find it? The other one that I search about is the rumored VR4. It was built, it made 141 hp, and there are NO pictures of this engine...
@VisioRacer
11 ай бұрын
A few weeks ago it was a sensation. Drive published a lot of the information, just google it
@Flies2FLL
11 ай бұрын
I'll do that. Great video as always!@@VisioRacer
@1ks.mt5
11 ай бұрын
Great job!
@Roddy_Zeh
11 ай бұрын
Great video! But bro, that pdf file talking about the VR and W engines, is that official material? Where'd you get it? 0.0
@VisioRacer
11 ай бұрын
It is easily available on the internet
@Roddy_Zeh
11 ай бұрын
@@VisioRacer Found it! Self-Study Program 248. Thanks. 👍🏻
@kylejohnston3442
11 ай бұрын
I want a flat plane, boxer bank mid mounted w 10
@Desmodromic916
11 ай бұрын
Fulvia was first VR
@Damien.D
11 ай бұрын
I knew it existed! That's pretty funny it ended in a BMW... "Audi = scheisse, I want a BMW" - Ferdinand Piech, surely.
@stianaltermark8929
11 ай бұрын
What did the W8 engine go inn?!
@VisioRacer
11 ай бұрын
The Passat W8 as the only road car
@sunsetgarage755
11 ай бұрын
The power output of this engine can be easily surpassed by a modern 5 cyl Audi turbocharged motor which will also be lighter & more efficient. Large displacement engines (which are also incredibly complicated & expensive to rebuild) in light vehicles simply don’t make any economic sense, despite the merits of their technical achievements. Moving into the electric & hybrid era these engines are dinosaurs.
@terramatela6351
3 ай бұрын
The old BMW N52 was waaayyyy easier to diagnose and fix than the modern replacement... So always take the generalisation with a grain of salt.
@Xayuap
11 ай бұрын
althou the VR5 doesn't sound as better as the VR6 maybe dat W10 wud be the best sounding engine ever
@rhubarbpie2027
11 ай бұрын
Eight camshafts. That's cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
@Assnutsss
4 ай бұрын
What did it sell for?
@monsieurcommissaire1628
11 ай бұрын
Wait... VR-5?! Have the Volkswagen engineers been out back smoking reefers with the guys from Honda again?
@VisioRacer
11 ай бұрын
Never heard of the VR5?
@dadgarage7966
11 ай бұрын
Interesting how these W engine are asymmetrical.
@SweatySantana
11 ай бұрын
Hope I’m first as a V10 enthusiast
@a33user22
11 ай бұрын
Congrats SweatySantana🥇🏆
@tbas8741
9 ай бұрын
Why Horsepower and Newton meters as measurement (thats metric and imperial) Why not Kilowatts and Newton Meters. Its like saying im 6ft and 2cm tall
@bobcoats2708
11 ай бұрын
Was the audio at the end of the video real? If so, from what engine? Sounds like a V10, but different
@VisioRacer
11 ай бұрын
It is a simulator created by AngeTheGreat, definitely check out his channel. People went crazy and made some impressive engine concept simulations
@bobcoats2708
11 ай бұрын
@@VisioRacer Thank you. I suspected it might have been simulated. It was cool nevertheless 😄
@garnerblair5179
8 ай бұрын
The vr7 would have been much better . 7/8ths of a v8 but just one head and header while being shorter than an inline-5
@Iowa599
11 ай бұрын
In "debuting" the "t" is silent. IDK the rule, but that's the rule. F'd my spelling & still f's my reading.
@hugobloemers4425
11 ай бұрын
How very cool, a more humdrum version of this story is Ford buying a Fiat 127 to test their upcoming Fiesta engines.
@SSFproductions1
11 ай бұрын
Hello @visioracer Friend of me has transport this M5. I have some exclusive videos and pictures. If you would like them let me know.
@CRXricer
11 ай бұрын
Upload!
@VisioRacer
11 ай бұрын
Yes, I would love to!
@SSFproductions1
11 ай бұрын
I upload the video as a short on my channel. I'm sorry but that is all I kind find and the original video got corrupted. The cold start is all I could save. But 100% the real deal. My friend does not want to be recognized because of company and customer privacy.
@VisioRacer
11 ай бұрын
@@SSFproductions1 Would you mind uploading those files individually to a Google Drive to share them with me?
@SSFproductions1
11 ай бұрын
@@VisioRacer I can give it a try.
@themadscientest
11 ай бұрын
I know someone that watches this must have enough money to not have to ask what that BMW costs, if so go and get it and record some sounds.
@aquilaaudax6033
11 ай бұрын
✋🏼🇦🇺👍🏼
@srimansanjit6588
11 ай бұрын
First😂😂😂
@a33user22
11 ай бұрын
🥈
@fidelcatsro6948
11 ай бұрын
congratulations you win a brand new Volkswagon 100cc motorcycle🐱👍🏿
@srimansanjit6588
11 ай бұрын
@@fidelcatsro6948 wow eagerly waiting to collect the price
@srimansanjit6588
11 ай бұрын
@@a33user22 thanks for the Medela brother
@jessemilstead810
11 ай бұрын
I really miss my VW diesel v10 so much I mean… I can go outside to the barn and uncover her which I do once a month. I try to drive it. But whenever I do, I realize why I don’t drive it as a daily. My town car is just to comfortable to drive anything else. Plus Roads in the dmv are terrible. Plus diesel is still expensive as fuck. Still more per gallon then 93 or 97 thanks to our Socialist president who doesn’t even understand what it means to be a capitalist.
@jessemilstead810
11 ай бұрын
L
@andrewdunbar828
9 ай бұрын
subSEEKwent=🥺, SUBsekwent=😃 5:37 Why no credit given to AngeTheGreat where his engine simulator is shown?
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