This one cutscene had a better story and answers than Lightfall, I really wish it came sooner
@Codename_Dee
Жыл бұрын
Well the witness was supposed to be this unknown godly force we couldn’t understand. So it was perfect to give us a better insite on what it is at the end.
@Drifter-while-hungry
Жыл бұрын
As byf put it, lightfall was a car without wheels, and season of the deep where the wheels
@dredgen0268
Жыл бұрын
Same. Ya know..like IN THE ACTUAL CAMPAIGN
@Jay-kl3zb
Жыл бұрын
They’ll spoon feed you and you’ll pay for it
@Fadedagent64
Жыл бұрын
it shouldve been in the campaign in the first place.
@larbolarb1625
Жыл бұрын
It’s insane that something as important as the Witnesses origin is seasonal content that’s gonna get vaulted soon.
@Hosk17
Жыл бұрын
they won't lol. the new light experience is horrific. this will be just another mistake in thate experience
@rustyshackleford67346
Жыл бұрын
and the fact you had to do a witch queen lost sector for it😭😭😭
@jackschultz2740
Жыл бұрын
They can still view it in season timeline tho
@nailinthefashion
Жыл бұрын
Imo it's becoming apparent they will create a feature to watch the older cutscenes in. These new animated styles ones I mean, maybe some other key ones or updated summaries
@vezrien
Жыл бұрын
A critical piece of the overarching story, wrapped in a forgettable filler season.
@izshen
Жыл бұрын
The only words that plague my mind is “WHERE WAS THIS IN THE LIGHTFALL CAMPAIGN”!!!!!!! It’s legit the only cutscene we needed!!!
@Ceece20
Жыл бұрын
Gotta make players pay for season pass of course. Can’t just let people have the story without paying extra for the complete story. Or more likely they just didn’t write his origin story until after the launch, because writing is hard and takes too much time.
@ZombieSlayerTakashi
Жыл бұрын
Live Service, be live service.
@CIII__
Жыл бұрын
This cutscene still doesn’t reveal much. All we know is the the two oldest things in galaxy have been right next to us for a long time quiet as hell 😂
@subzero308
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if bungie didn't suck
@Taniks_The_Undying
Жыл бұрын
@@Ceece20the people forget that how would we even be told this when there's no one in neomuna that is remotely capable of being able to tell this piece of info
@PikaPanda_88
Жыл бұрын
Splitting the boss up would be a craaazy final raid boss mechanic, each player has to fight like 20 darkness users or something crazy as damage phase
@thatonepenguinperson618
Жыл бұрын
A DPS phase where the boss splits more and more until the end of it just becomes ad clear would be pretty fun honestly lol Would definitely shake up the meta a little
@nailinthefashion
Жыл бұрын
@@thatonepenguinperson618 taken already duplicate so there's coding precedent. Could give them a shield that only drops if you use the same source of damage they use: so if one is throwing grenades you throw back, get a buff that reduces cooldowns, they duplicate, repeat to a ridiculous level, like seemingly impossible then introduce another mechanic to even the odds. Maybe they'll be unsealed by force and the Witness comes undone via strand and stasis after we hunt them through the innards of the Traveler
@Gonshaaa
Жыл бұрын
@@thatonepenguinperson618 i imagine something like the final boss of the Game kingdom rush Frontiers, it could be really fun
@NSEBMB
Жыл бұрын
I have a terrible theory that we're gonna get supercharged with every guardian's light and all of the traveler's light will be channeled into us as a single guardian just like how the witness is an amalgamation of an entire races power: and we go and face the witness as like a champion of light; the best humanity has to offer. I think it's be cool but idk how likely that is
@Darthma94
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like an over delivery my guy
@tomanders4746
Жыл бұрын
Considering how intelligent The Witness is/appears to be, I’d wager a strong guess he knew Calus wouldn’t be that good of a disciple because if we can see that The Witness can too. My hypothesis is that The Witness used Calus to bait us down into the veil to draw our ghost out.
@meateaw
Жыл бұрын
100%. It's also obvious. At one point the witness takes over our ghost, and **literally shows us a scene of the Witness chastising Calus and telling him to hurry up**. Like, the witness controlled our ghost to SHOW us that interaction.
@thenedsmmachannel8970
Жыл бұрын
The Witness uses all these species to spite or to oppose the Traveler imo
@remingtonsummers8014
Жыл бұрын
This is absolutely what happened.
@mena10ss
Жыл бұрын
I also really just loved the Drifter and Zavala dialogue at the end. Finally Zavala can stop looking at Drifter as a nuisance while Drifter finally feels comfortable enough to let Zavala know his feelings and a bit of his past. Edit: Cross, Orin can be seen in the Season of the Drifter cutscenes. I'm pretty sure she's the warlock with that mohawk-type hairstyle. Edit 2: Correction, she's a titan
@drowzydullahan
Жыл бұрын
Thhiiiiissssssss
@xenovion2283
Жыл бұрын
Didn't she get turned into the emissary of the nine?
@michaela8426
Жыл бұрын
@@xenovion2283yes
@mena10ss
Жыл бұрын
@@xenovion2283 Yeah she did. Search Invitations of the nine week 7 story and you'll see what she was before being an emissary.
@michaela8426
Жыл бұрын
She also was/is a titan
@jackculver412
Жыл бұрын
This is super clarifying. It tells us of witness and origins, what the veil it's (essentially its the opposite of the traveler), and what the witness is trying to do. Best cutscene yet
@cameronsalmon1314
Жыл бұрын
It also makes sense why the witness is so powerful. The darkness is shaped from thought and consciousness and if the Witness is formed of an entire species (Over at least a Billion) it would make sense on why it can pilot and control an entire fleet by itself.
@disco2354
Жыл бұрын
One of the best story building cutscenes contained in one of the most empty quests we've had this season
@chaebi2075
Жыл бұрын
That should've been in the Penultimate DLC chapter leading up to the moment of FS. Sadness
@Thisguy2532
Жыл бұрын
For real we waited weeks to finally see this cutscene why the hell wasn’t it in lightfall, would’ve made much more sense
@mon-kiegh477
Жыл бұрын
"this world belongs to me. Because the rest of you doesn't know what to do with it" "I don't think thats the point of having a world" The final conversation between the characters Camilla and Issac in the final season of Castlevainia. A weird comparison i thought of with this cut scene
@gambeano
Жыл бұрын
Same lol such a good show
@iamcrash5525
Жыл бұрын
The Witness/Predecessors (Pre-Witness civilization) had the Veil with them the entire time while chasing the Traveler, it was in Nezarec's ship. When the collapse was happening, Savathun showed up, killed Nezarec, and hid the Veil away on Neptune. The Witness basically had the Veil in tow the entire time until Savvy showed up I think
@meateaw
Жыл бұрын
THIS is why the traveller stayed and deployed ghosts. Savathun took the witnesses gun away from it (the veil). After the witness was disarmed, the traveller could make a stand, using us as it's weapons.
@cilospresents
Жыл бұрын
@@meateaw And THIS would have been the PERFECT cutscene after the first team beat the raid
@LordSaliss
Жыл бұрын
In the Unveiling lore book, it talks about how the Gardener actually wants that "unfettered chaos", that is his whole point. To throw chaos into the system and make new patterns emerge, something different than what it always falls down to. Not everyone likes chaos, but the gardener sees that without adding some in you cant get a new result.
@JamesCartermusic
Жыл бұрын
Yeah makes sense. It set out cosmic events that could just do anything.
@benstanfill363
Жыл бұрын
It's the same idea as freedom. Yes under complete authoritarian control. Society could be utopian, but there's no freedom. Freedom means the ability to make good and bad choices. The traveler wants life to flourish however it can, the witness wants it to flourish in a certain direction.
@kreia187
Жыл бұрын
Remember that the unveiling lore book is told to us by the Witness. So obviously, if the civilization (the Witness) viewed the traveler as a source of unfettered chaos, then they would describe it as such when they tell us their little fairy tale. There is nothing in those books that we can take as objective truth.
@meateaw
Жыл бұрын
@@kreia187 the thing is, that book, being written by the darkness... STILL paints the traveller as the good guy, and the winnower as the bad guy. Like, the whole thing if we take it as literally the worst version of what the traveller is... Still paints the traveller as the good guy. If the traveller is "actually better" than described, it's a fucking saint!
@kreia187
Жыл бұрын
@@meateaw Hm, I'm not sure we read the same book buddy. The unveiling lore book makes a point of painting both the gardener and the winnower as necessary parts of a whole, only the gardener disrupted that perfect order to create chaos and unnecessary suffering. Remember the p53 entry? That part is entirely about why the Winnower is not immoral, whereas what the gardener did is likened to a cancer on the universe. The thing is, the Witness knows that its goals don't align with what we on earth view as moral, which is why it explains to us why our take on morality is flawed and/or meaningless. You as the reader can of course still disagree with the book, but the book itself sure as hell doesn't paint the gardener in a good light. It merely states some things that the gardener did, but then immediately tries to convince you why that is not as morally good as it might seem.
@ashleylightheart126
Жыл бұрын
Osiris jokingly answering Nimbus is honestly the best part of Nimbus's dialogue
@msdsander1
Жыл бұрын
For real
@PunknPixels
Жыл бұрын
Their dialogue has gotten so much better post LF
@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX
Жыл бұрын
The problem I have with this cutscene is we’re getting our answers from seasonal content, stuff that will go away after The Final Shape releases. So you will be missing out on important bits of information about the narrative and newer players will have to leave the game and go on KZitem to find videos like this one to understand what’s going on. That is the biggest problem I have with all this. This should have been included in Lightfall’s campaign.
@larbolarb1625
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Once those seasons are gone, a major aspect of the overarching narrative is gone for good. Destiny’s story is way too disconnected, and I can only imagine it’ll get worse after Final Shape.
@bdiax
Жыл бұрын
Almost like destiny doesn’t care and just wants money 😂
@SpoodyClax
Жыл бұрын
big fax
@tristinnelson4550
Жыл бұрын
I feel like the biggest problem is where do you fit in this cutscene in Lightfall well and not feeling forced
@iponce2
Жыл бұрын
Feels like grimoire cards all over again
@FrostReach66
Жыл бұрын
The darkness theme always gives me goosebumps
@yuris193
Жыл бұрын
Fr, you know what they're taking about just by listening to it
@camsus4716
Жыл бұрын
the feeling that the day 1 shadowkeep campaign gave me will never come again tbh
@thefatherinthecave943
Жыл бұрын
That bbbbwwwwwrrrrwwwwrrr
@HumzyTumzy
Жыл бұрын
07:06 SHE SAID THE THING!!! always gets me 😭
@PaladinRick
Жыл бұрын
It’s like the Leo DiCaprio pointing meme 😆
@crazytalk8120
Жыл бұрын
Our ghost didn't throw. Calus was never going to succeed. But the Witness knew we would stop him, we always have. We win against the odds every time. That is also why we got those random moments where we could suddenly see thru the Witness' eyes. It wanted us to complete it's task.
@reavershank8985
Жыл бұрын
I love how Sloanes reaction to the witness origin story is just 'omg so relatable, thats so me'
@S0M3GUY778
Жыл бұрын
I am genuinely shocked that we got the most vital story beat in the Light/Dark saga in a tripe season that released after the main expansion. At this point I'm seriously shitting myself about the quality of The Final Shape.
@PB-od3rk
Жыл бұрын
Tfs main story will be spread across a years worth of seasons 💀
@saladv6069
Жыл бұрын
Vital? We know what the witness is, but that doesn’t really change anything about the story.
@bluntstone2828
Жыл бұрын
It still leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Like how come the witness has such a conection with the ghosts, when they are a post human-collapse creation. I also think that, while the witness is presented now as an amalgam of mortal beings, hence not being unkillable (in theory), they still made him out to be too powerful to be killed in any way, considering he can slice up several guardians and their ghosts with a flick of his wrist. Any way we kill him is going to be a letdown.
@PenguinzFTW
Жыл бұрын
We still don't know what The Witness has seen and encountered since The Traveller left him and his people, so we don't know what powers he may have taken from other civilisations he may have conquered whilst looking for The Traveller
@LSB44446
Жыл бұрын
They created a too many questions to answer. Please don't hold your breath, Final Shape will answer nothing
@thenedsmmachannel8970
Жыл бұрын
Ghosts came from the Traveler so they are paracasal as well. Since they have the power of The Darkness, they can posses Ghosts
@Taniks_The_Undying
Жыл бұрын
Remember witness species studied the light a lot longer than any other races that had the traveler
@sPeCtRaLn0vA
Жыл бұрын
The Witness is the amalgamation of a civilization of lightbearers that probably had eons of time to spend researching the Light. The Witness understands the Light better than anyone else in the universe. Ghosts are probably a party trick compared to the height of the Witness' civilization.
@AutiCyrptArch
Жыл бұрын
Being a Lightbearer is not the same as being blessed by the Traveler.
@reynauldwhistles2338
Жыл бұрын
Shin malphur reference?
@AutiCyrptArch
Жыл бұрын
No. Being blessed usually is associated with the golden age. Example, a doctor has a Traveler sent dream that leads to cures and treatments. Lightbearer, obviously, means you bear the Light. That means you have a Ghost too, probably. Example, Hive Lightbearers.
@vuvuzela4570
Жыл бұрын
Maybe they were lightbearers. Early versions of lightbearers. Prototypes. I’m not saying they had ghosts. They might not even have had the same subclasses we do but they could have had some power.
@saladv6069
Жыл бұрын
@@reynauldwhistles2338the whole shin malphur story was written by some author not related with bungie. The whole becoming a guardian thing is simply because the guy writing it didn’t get how destiny’s universe worked and nobody thought to correct him.
@tristinnelson4550
Жыл бұрын
I feel like the biggest problem is where do you fit in this cutscene in Lightfall well and not feeling forced
@thesavagegummybear7341
Жыл бұрын
The entire dlc needs a rewrite, I’m sure they could fit it in.
@Raidenthemandude
Жыл бұрын
i have a feeling bungie really wanted to end the story with lightfall but they would have had to make a ridiculously big story and they probably couldnt or just didnt want to condense it all they wanted to play the long game. no excuse for lightfall being mid af story wise but i get the feeling they had wayyy more they wanted to tell so they cut the ending into two expansions and all the mid season stuff to help fill in smaller questions and gaps.
@meateaw
Жыл бұрын
post campaign mission ffs. the campaign ends with the witness in the hole in the traveller? Instead of a stupid quest to get an exotic glaive by looking at dead cloud striders (to find out about soteria - which we already knew about due to the dungeon), why didn't we have a mission chain to learn about the witness, and begin the process of chasing the guy that just carved a hole in the traveller?
@Worldly_Pitfall3
Жыл бұрын
@@meateawbecause the first guardian before ikora who attempted to enter had their ghost and their body destroyed
@leroyrodgers6089
Жыл бұрын
Dude, the story in lightfall was created to have us run around in a circle. The story never progressed. I guarantee the original story had this in it. In fact, they could have put it in as a way of thr traveler communicating with us, or an artifact the witness drops or something simple. Instead they made a dlc that had almost nothing to do with the main story. The only thing lightfall included was the viel, that was it. Nothing else was important. It was all C and D story. For that reason I anticipate that the final shape will be rather good. Bungie should have made the Final shape part 1:Lightfall and Final shape part 2: Entropy or something. I don't know.
@PopularNobody
Жыл бұрын
Ok. That cutscene had more story impact than the entire lightfall campaign. First time I've been excited for final shape in months
@XavierAbreu2002
Жыл бұрын
Now the question stands, what was Nez before he became a Disciple and what led up to his encounter with Savathun
@hughjass1976
Жыл бұрын
Nez was a Lubraean, same as Rhulk and I believe the Tormentors. Not sure how they met the Witness, maybe the Traveller stopped by while running and the Witness followed. Wouldn't be a major leap to think that like the Predecessors and the Eliksni, the Traveller leaving led to them going down a darker path, such as aligning with the Witness
@cal5924
Жыл бұрын
My take is that the final shape is light and dark combined essentially creating an omnipotent power that can be completely controlled. Absolute order free from chaos.
@MrTmm97
Жыл бұрын
15:23 I don’t think the video said they were light-bearers. They were uplift by the traveler like many other civilizations were with knowledge and advancements in tech. The traveler didn’t give the light to the species it uplifted until the ghosts and humans when it drove off the darkness and got itself stranded here. At least that’s the way I understood it. 18:10 gifts can just mean knowledge and the power that knowledge gains us. It doesn’t necessarily mean the light. I don’t think we’ve heard of an example of “light-bearers” before us humans. And both examples we’ve seen of light bearers required some version of the a ghost The cut scene was great but unless I’m missing something I think your a little mixed up on this interpretation.
@jsilvermist
Жыл бұрын
I feel like this also showed us that the Traveler and the Veil used to be one whole, and the Traveler split itself from it, and then rebuilt itself to make itself a sphere again.
@thiagoarxalmeida606
Жыл бұрын
19:51 I think that the witness didn’t know where the veil was and had to go to the traveler to find it and had that vision
@thenedsmmachannel8970
Жыл бұрын
Julio Foressi we still don't know exactly what happened in the collapse that made the witness go dormant for so many centuries. Savathun tricked the witness and hid the veil so alot needs to be answered and I wouldn't be surprised if Savathun comes back and answers this
@moopey1837
Жыл бұрын
@@julioforessi1336 I don't think the Witness knew that it could see the Veil after connecting with the Traveler for a moment. In the cutscene when that happened, it looked very startled. Like not "Ooh finally the thing I've been looking for" startled, but "WAIT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I COULD DO THAT" startled.
@Pseudolu2
Жыл бұрын
just want to point out that nowhere in the cutscene does it say that they were lightbearers, as far as I know (could be wrong) the first civilization to be able to use the light is us through the ghosts.
@t0mbr1d
Жыл бұрын
its implied, their eyes lighting up, 'it ushered them in to a golden age' just like how humanity was ushered in to a golden age, 'it lavished them with gifts' and that 'they knew the light could bend the laws of the universe and create life' which they must have been bearers of the light to do as the traveller hadn't spoken with them
@Sleeper_6875
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think they wielded the light as we do, but they definitely used it to bend the universe, as in it ushered them into a golden age which advanced their civilisations understanding of the universe tremendously fast
@meateaw
Жыл бұрын
@@t0mbr1d Humanity was NOT granted the light for our golden age. The traveller simply inspires us to create new things. The golden age there WAS no "light", AFTER the traveller took the hit, it created ghosts and THEN gave us the light. The witness WAS NOT granted the light to wield.
@Pseudolu2
Жыл бұрын
@@meateaw I was about to respond saying that, the golden age was a time were humanity thrived and idk if we were "offered gifts" like the witnesses race but we were able to become a civilization of space. Guardians or light bearers were created at the collapse when the traveler released ghosts, also while we had the speaker we never know if he was actually able to speak to the traveler so we could say that the traveler was never able to speak to us.
@leonel121
Жыл бұрын
@@Pseudolu2 "also while we had the speaker we never know if he was actually able to speak to the traveler so we could say that the traveler was never able to speak to us." the traveler never has speak to the speaker this he say to Ghaul "i speak for the traveler, i never said it spoke to me."
@G3tsuki
Жыл бұрын
what if with the witness going into the traveller is somehow fractured back into its entire species and thus we DO end up w a new enemy being the whole species of the witness???? idk just a thought
@benstanfill363
Жыл бұрын
At this rate, bungie ain't smart enough to come up with that.
@SepticEmpire
Жыл бұрын
I saw this cutscene when it was leaked They out here putting final shape cutscenes into seasonal ones just to fill the holes THEY made
@SepticEmpire
Жыл бұрын
@@jacobuslol my bad then The vid I saw said it was so I didn’t know
@chickenpotpie79
Жыл бұрын
Why does it feel like the drifter is gonna die when cayde comes back, hes getting an insane amount of character development n making amems with people.
@Batouttahellbarbering
Жыл бұрын
Cross got his new teeth in for this one
@cptrex736
Жыл бұрын
7:56 I called it hell yeah I knew the Witness was the first civilization the traveler reached!
@stubbstcg9682
Жыл бұрын
So people that didnt watch the leak finally know the Witness is basically Father from FMA
@joebaby81
Жыл бұрын
I compare him more to the Anti-Spiral from Gurren Lagan if you’ve seen that show
@jasonsekiguchi458
Жыл бұрын
We've always gotten stuff in threes or multiples of three. So yes, I'm pretty sure we'll get a third Darkness subclass. They can't just leave us with two. That's like taking us to the edge and then just stopping.
@Jmillz4life
Жыл бұрын
Anyone else getting "We Are leigon, for we are many" vibes from the witness? Now that we know what he is, the story behind them is similar.
@TeKnoVKNG23
Жыл бұрын
I commented above that The Witness is basically Harbinger/the first Reaper from Mass Effect, only difference is to eliminate the chaos caused by organics vs the chaos of the universe, but both can be boiled down to the same concept.
@nailinthefashion
Жыл бұрын
24:47 You mean suspend and severe them. We didn’t get strand for no reason, its definitely going to be one of the keys to undoing whatever the Witness is attempting
@mcflu
Жыл бұрын
I saw this cutscene a while back, kind of figured it wouldnt drop till the end of the season lol its pretty neat
@hatchell18
Жыл бұрын
How did you see it early
@suuriz
Жыл бұрын
The veil is actually made of darkness. The Witness was created after the people realized that they could use the darkness by merging into a single entity. When the witness touched the veil in Lightfall it was connected to it and due to the witness wielding the darkness it technically counts as being part of the veil. It was able to cut open the traveler because of it.
@gregmcaloon
Жыл бұрын
From the final shape trailer I am presuming that people that have lost the light (Cayde) can still be alive inside the traveller. So could the witness just be seeking to get inside the traveller so he is able to get all of their people back. Maybe they were forced to merge as one as that was the only way for them to actually survive, maybe the witness is just the host and is actually tormented by all of the souls of a lost society.
@Capsuleer7
Жыл бұрын
It's more of a One Ring situation. The Traveler gave The Witnesses race a utopia and they eventually couldn't find a reason to live. A life without challenges, tests, and free of all strife tends to breed lethargy and apathy in a peoples. They stop valuing the peace they have because they've known nothing else and instead desire more. Worse still is the fact that they were uplifted, being giving a garden of Eden, rather than working towards one with all the suffering, toil, and sacrifice that entails. So they tried to shackle The Traveler and bind it to their own use alongside The Veil, but the it fled from them. So this ancient, primordial race preformed a sacrifice merging themselves into a singular entity to carry out their mission. This entity being The Witness and it's mission to reduce reality into a Final Shape. Much like how Sauron poured all his hate, malice, and desire to rule in the One ring so to did The Witnesses race pour their anger, resent, and desire to use The Traveler and The Veil into a singular being in order to remake reality free from the suffering of what they perceive peace, tranquility, and prosperity eventually brings.
@Baldavier
Жыл бұрын
naw the witness going to beginning of time to stop the creation of everything. But thing is, the vex already got there, and their big gardener ball was part of their plan - and the witness people are RUINING IT!
@beensupe
Жыл бұрын
cross with brows and veneers SHEESH
@epicgamerzfail4575
Жыл бұрын
Feels weird seeing the leak then seeing the cutscene. But I don't regret it
@hughjass1976
Жыл бұрын
This is why I try to avoid leaks. I had seen a meme that this week's cutscene had big implications, but watching it for the first time had me more invested in destiny than I have been since discovering hive lightbearers in WQ mission 1
@silverstriker7498
Жыл бұрын
I have and still belive since D1 our last subclass will be taken and if the witnesses weakness is to split them we could use taken powers to do so remember what they said about when something is taken "it is broken down into its base and reformed into a blank slate based on the user's will"
@dragonsavages5583
Жыл бұрын
I love how everyone forgot about the vex… I don’t know how they connect to the story… because they hate everybody what if they are the final shape from different universe try to do the same in others universes.
@CheddarProtector
Жыл бұрын
Have you not been paying attention at all? Lightfall revealed that some Vex that aren’t hell bent on destroying everything. Some Vex can even have choice in their decisions.
@meateaw
Жыл бұрын
@@CheddarProtector errr, that isn't a vex, that is Soteria, a warmind created incorporating some vex tech. The real answer to dragonsavvage, (and yourself) is: Well duh, that is literally what the unveiling lorebook told us - the vex are the "final shape" of a universe (many many universes) without teh traveller in it. The traveller adds "Chaos", and this chaos is designed intentionally to create something *different* from the universe, *ideally* a universe that never ends. (all other universes ended with the vex taking over everything)
@DracoSafarius
Жыл бұрын
I mean the Vex are from outside the universe. Not sure if they really 'hate' everybody though, they kind of just expanded into a new area once the door was open.
@CheddarProtector
Жыл бұрын
@@meateaw Do people like you not pay attention at all when they’re playing the game? Even if not, it’s very simple to do a simple google search and get the correct facts before you start passive-aggressively trying to dunk on someone with incorrect facts, making yourself look foolish. The real answer to dragonsavvage, (and yourself) is: The Vex is Aesop. He gives the Neomuni people a choice of safety in exchange for worship, they declined and Aesop killed a bunch of children in the CloudArk. The point being, some Vex are different and have free will. Step 1: Google Aesop Step 2: Realize you’re wrong.
@reticentexo
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you posted this cutscene. Allows me to skip the repetitive Seasonal Activity and get to the good stuff.
@danielbohr8187
Жыл бұрын
I have a theory…the traveler is a lock, hence why he left the civilizations that questioned or tried to expand their power/the light and the traveler is a limiter. The veil is the key to unlock the ultimate potential of both light and dark. So, at the end of the light fall campaign, our ghost started to rise to the veil and “connected” the bridge between the two (traveler to the veil). That’s what came to my mind first. Idk how accurate this is compared to the lore but that’s what I got out of it.
@angelicarts9609
Жыл бұрын
It's implied that in the beginning 2 beings played a game this game was the universe and basically it was a game of civilization life and death based on how advanced they are the game got repetitive and boring because most wasn't given a chance hence the traveler was made to counter this as a new rule in the game to keep it interesting this is all metaphorical by the way from what I can tell anyway the vail was created to keep the traveler from going out of control and when both cease to exist that's the final shape
@angelicarts9609
Жыл бұрын
"no more life no more death" just perfection the end to the "game" put in place by 2 beings who are likely The Gardener and the Winnower for it is described as a flower game
@angelicarts9609
Жыл бұрын
The "flower game" is a metaphor used to describe the simulated realities the Light and Darkness created together in the primordial "garden" that preceded the universe.
@angelicarts9609
Жыл бұрын
When you know the lore deeply everything starts to click together as the story progresses
@vincentgoodridge3211
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂 love your thoughts on how it all started out on point
@SpoodyClax
Жыл бұрын
i have a feeling, theres no voice acting from the drifter because this cutscene was done as damage control after the season and campaign were done
@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4
Жыл бұрын
Imagine how much better it would have been if they were able to give us this cutscene at the end of Lightfall. Maybe an epilogue campaign mission that has us contacting "Sloane" (Ahsa) and were shown this. Although it may take away the big reveal for this season, I think more players would have liked this sort of reveal in the main expansion and a so-so story in seasonal content than the other way around.
@denniss6878
Жыл бұрын
So basically the story is a form of interpretstion of the gnostic approach on the story of yaldabaoth and satanael. An angel who wants absolute order and purpose but deriving everyone of their free will for it. Or A demon who fights for free will for everyone to do what they want whenever they want but thst means thet chaos will be included to thst lifestyle. It makes sense that they would call the gardener chaotic in that sense. If you'd have absolute free will, you'd never have any purpose at all and if you're inmortal and you've been alive for hundreds if not thousands of years it would make sense that they would look beyond the gardener for that.
@BuggysNose
Жыл бұрын
If only they didn’t randomly give us the witnesses backstory in the middle of a bad season that a portion of the fanbase has already stopped playing
@BuggysNose
Жыл бұрын
This literally doesn’t make sense to be put in the middle of a season. It SCREAMS final cutscene of a huge expansion😂
@ReperGD
Жыл бұрын
yeah
@hughjass1976
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I agree that this is a bad season. It's just another season, which Bungo have been doing for a long time. It would obviously be better if they didn't basically just copy/paste and slap a new colour palette on things, but to call this a bad season is kinda unfair. It's mediocre, like almost all seasons
@Unidentifiedmale
Жыл бұрын
Calus did his job. When the witness said “he was afraid of purpose” his purpose was to be the bait to get us there to use our light to start the link with the traveler
@timt1285
Жыл бұрын
That cutscene should have been in the LF campaign. I currently have no faith in Bungie to make The final Shape a good dlc with a good story.
@williammccaffery7251
Жыл бұрын
Cross looks like a polished Drifter it's not surprising he is his favorite character
@taxablefur9653
Жыл бұрын
One thing I'd like to mention about the Pyramids. Technically they are and aren't empty. Last season confirmed that the inside of the Pyramids are parts of the Witness. I remember a bunch of memes about us breathing in the Witness. So basically the Pyramids are extensions of the Witness.
@harpcow
Ай бұрын
the way that last sentence was actually what happened is insane
@yehzhilin8687
Жыл бұрын
The witness is like someone in the middle of the raid race and need to go to the rest room but never come back
@thesweetgenius6994
Жыл бұрын
If you think about it, that’s why no one on neomuna are light bearers cuz they’re in proximity of something the traveler doesn’t want to be around
@maddklown88
Жыл бұрын
Man, bro. I aways wondered what was up with the Witness, and why there were so many different faces rising up out of its head like that this is tripped-out!
@PhotonBread
Жыл бұрын
The way I look at the Light/Dark or Gardener/Winnower is in my garden I grow pumpkins. You plant a bunch per hill but you had to weed out a few of them. If you let too many pumpkin plants grow on one mound they will all fight for sunlight and none of them will flourish. The Gardner just plants endlessly, the Winnower weeds out the excess. A balance in the life force
@the_witcher_117
Жыл бұрын
It’s cool cause it kindve calls back to the original story of what destiny 1 was going to originally be
@Jamie-fc6nw
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact. The art at 6:58 in the video is actually stolen and made by another artist not related to bungie. That artist made that art piece over 2 years ago and it is the spitting image of it in game. They received no royalties or credit. It is quite literally stolen.
@luvz2spooch831
Жыл бұрын
From what ive seen the traveler has spoken once. He spoke to rulk when he tried to take a ghost. He told him he isnt taking shit.
@BankotsuSeven
Жыл бұрын
Ghost once said that the Light makes you forget and the Darkness helps you remember. It's like when you cover up the truth with things that are good so that it doesn't scare and dissuade people. But when you learn the dark truth about things, you begin to realize just how messed up and scary the world around you really is. I think the Veil simply revealed the truth and the Gardener is a being of freewill and just doesn't want to give that up. That's why it fled from them. Maybe the Gardener has a purpose behind giving other beings the power of Light that we don't yet fully understand. Either way, we are finally coming to understand even more just what the heck is going on.
@nightmeep9469
Жыл бұрын
@Aztecross Look at it like this. When a garden is not maintained it becomes overgrown and expands, consuming more resources and pushing other plants out till its the only thing left. You need something to maintain it and keep it from over growing and spreading. Its the same with the light an darkness. If the light kept expanding it could do more harm than good it the long run if left unchecked.
@urazz7739
Жыл бұрын
This cutscene should've been in Lightfall. It would've answered so much. The Veil looks like it's pretty much the darkness counterpart of the Traveler, that's all Bungie had to say. lol
@inquisitorichijou883
Жыл бұрын
The Veiled were the people that became the Witness. So the statues are an image of the Witness' past. ANd the Pyramids were the old fleet of the Veiled.
@ZakuZuko
Жыл бұрын
That inside dad joke was perfect lol
@zZero93
Жыл бұрын
Love you Cross! Stay awesome as always!
@vilifyahuman
Жыл бұрын
Cross, your a straight up comedian! You had me laughing out loud to myself during work when you brought up little Timmy asking what the fuck is inside the planet. My coworkers were looking at me like I was crazy
@muovikallo
Жыл бұрын
Man, if the Witness or someone will say something like "finding your Destiny" I'm gonna eat beans or something
@joshuamartin6353
Жыл бұрын
Always loved the drifter.
@rushsoccer1355
Жыл бұрын
Judging from the Final Shape trailer and the cutscene itself, it looks like the Witness opened up a portal to their old planet so we may be fighting them on a very very distant planet a massive distance from Sol
@HungSuhLow
Жыл бұрын
So he's essentially like Ermac from MK "we are many, you are but one"
@vCrux
Жыл бұрын
In terms of the veil from my understanding the witness was chasing the traveller with it in its possession the whole time until our collapse. Back during the post witch queen savathuns worm says she played tricks and the tide turned driving the witness away. In lightfall we learn that when she did that she also killed nezerac and stole the veil and thats how it ended up falling out of the possession of the witness. Also the whole reason for the link is so that the witness can reshape reality as it pleases I dont actually think that means nothingness but close to it because without chaos there isnt much room for anything else. Chaos created sol in real life. Without planets colliding we wouldnt have a moon and the moon is an intregal part of earths cycles that life depends on.
@flyingparkinglot1530
Жыл бұрын
So the Witness came from a race filled with a village of people with those same eyes, they worshiped the traveler like a god and wanted to connect with it further via the veil. The traveler sensed the veil had darkness energy and went “oh hell nah get that shit away from me” and vanished to our solar system, assumingely before the collapse, and the big eyed people felt “heartbroken”. To try and find the traveler, the people tapped deeper into the darkness and amalgamated all of the villagers into one being (why the Witness had no gender it’s literally hundreds of people combined into one body) also why it has those faces coming out from the head. Basically, this story is like what happened with the Eliksni but it originally started with the Witness. Should we still kill the Witness because it got dumped? Absolutely, you realize it is the mastermind behind all the bosses we faced? Don’t take pity on it, Savathun was in the right. We don’t kill it because we’re on the traveler’s side, but that the Witness is pure evil. Simple as that, we stop the villains. Say what you want about the state of D2, but when their story hits it hits whew… I imagine if this was explained in Lightfall’s campaign, my god we wouldn’t be so mad then as we are today I bet. Question is: how do we kill a god of pure Darkness? That Kinetic subclass definitely! 😂
@feathersigil2048
Жыл бұрын
The Pyramids clearly act as tools for the Witness, as seen in Beyond Light and the Lightfall beginning/end cutscene, as well as being spaceships for Disciples (because they were originally spaceships for the Witness' people). The Witness can't just do everything by themselves. However, I think the Pyramids serve a critical additional purpose: they're both museums (since they're full of preserved lifeforms and incomprehensible art pieces) and exhibits. They're the record of the people who became the Witness, proof of their existence. They're a dual statement: "We once lived" to the universe, and "this is all that remains of us" to the Gardener who once blessed them. And if you think the Witness is or should be above such sentiment, remember their display of fury to Calus, remember Mara's words about their mind (they carry enough rage to burn the very stars to ash), and consider their origins: the despair of a people who yearned for meaning.
@Mad_Peasant_King
Жыл бұрын
Already week 5? Man, time flies fast when you aren't glued to destiny 2 only
@ronin9380
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great work....excellent!
@val2848
Жыл бұрын
thank you so much for these story videos. bungie has temporarily lost me as a player but can't deny the lore is so deep and interesting
@knightdrachne
Жыл бұрын
Witness was playing mass effect recruitment mission but didn’t do savys loyalty mission and now it gets the bad ending
@TeKnoVKNG23
Жыл бұрын
This made me LMAO, especially with how he's basically Harbinger.
@effect08
Жыл бұрын
“You suck dad I bet a real dad could go inside “ I’m in tears 😂
@IllSentiment
Жыл бұрын
The witness Is literally a metaphor for the community
@doxologist
Жыл бұрын
Best week in Destiny since the final week of Season 19
@Resonosity
Жыл бұрын
24:51 Going with your analogy of shaking them apart... What's another word for something that shakes... It vibrates... And something that vibrates has a *resonant* frequency... as in a Resonance subclass...
@aaronwackenhut2216
Жыл бұрын
Too much life can be a problem. Like weeds in a garden. You have to pull the weeds so what you want will grow. No fruit if the tree is being strangled to death by weeds. The Traveler spreads life everywhere, which can be too much. The Vail is just the weed killer. Material and mind working together can build a wonderful garden.
@TeKnoVKNG23
Жыл бұрын
So the Witness is basically Harbinger from Mass Effect. One being formed from the destruction/sacrifice of a single advanced race with the idea that they should shape the universe. Only difference is the organic vs machine/AI origin.
@blob7881
Жыл бұрын
so that explains the random statues of people missing limbs on the pyramids like in vow it all makes sense now
@sk109738
Жыл бұрын
Imo, the fact that the pyramid ships are empty makes it creepier, because everyone who would’ve been on board is now one with the witness.
@ItsDaKoolaidDude
Жыл бұрын
I'm legit seeing Emperor of Mankind's creation touches on this. _Damn._
@bodark001
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the Witness is Lord Business from the Lego movie and is tired of chaos, so wants to use superglue to lock stuff down…
@traviskraftphotography
Жыл бұрын
For how something good can also turn out to destroy: Water is an essential building block of life, but if you oversaturate your body with water (not like drowning but drinking way too much too often) and it can slowly start to destroy your cells and kill you. The light creation and life, but too much of power of creation (the example in of the CS images was of a volcano erupting. Volcanoes create land 'life' but can cause a lot of devestation in the process of other life.)
@the_carter_smith
Жыл бұрын
At this point, with the subclass tree redesign that happened with Lightfall, I think we have all of the subclasses we will get for at least the next couple years. Since they got rid of the separate light/darkness subclass menus, if we get another it might be something entirely new.
@elgueropendejo2477
Жыл бұрын
YO CROSS, did you do ur eyebrows? they look fire 🔥
@PinkieBen
Жыл бұрын
I saw someone compare the Witness to the Anti Spiral from Gurren Lagann with the info we got from this cutscene and I can't stop thinking about that
@Cmanmanq_
Жыл бұрын
The more and more we learn about the Witness the more I feel that we are fighting for the wrong side.
@BallardManorFarm
Жыл бұрын
The theory of separating the witness is actually really interesting especially when you begin to look at the naming of the darkness powers. Stasis aka to freeze and shatter, and strand was described as the manipulation of the fabrics of space. All of these seem to be culminating to a way of fragmenting a multi souled alien.
@EchoX860
Жыл бұрын
This leaked months ago I'm glad I can finally see your reaction to it
@partydeer1640
Жыл бұрын
Aztecross' eyebrows looking extra HD today
@HeresJOHNNY-ew5sy
Жыл бұрын
With that bridge from the physical to the metaphysical line that was said in Cross’s chat, it could be that the next subclass is an antimatter subclass
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